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03-07-2006, 11:34 AM
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Europe's angry young Muslims
Europe is home to a new generation of alienated young Muslims whose anger may turn to radicalism, the BBC's Islamic affairs analyst Roger Hardy finds in new three-part series.
Part one looks at the root causes of last year's London bombings and Paris riots.



Shamsul Gani sits in his home, in the northern English city of Leeds, a proud father cradling his six-month-old son.
I ask him about the three young men from Leeds who carried out the London bombings last year.
"You'd have left your house keys with them and gone away for a year," he told me.
For many people, what motivated the bombers is still a mystery.
But Shamsul grew up with the three - all British Muslims from Pakistani families. (The fourth was a Caribbean convert to Islam.)
Shamsul admires the courage of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the group, even though he condemns what he did.

France has betrayed the young people of the suburbs. When you're called Ali you can't get a job
Ali, 24, from France

Khan left a videotape explaining his action as a response to Western policy in Iraq and other parts of the Muslim world.
"I have no reason to doubt the credibility of that tape," Shamsul told me.
"What you have to understand is his belief in what he was doing. He was prepared to put his life on the line for that."
Voices of alienation
My visit to Leeds marked the beginning of an odyssey in search of the roots of Muslim anger.
Western Europe is now home to some 15 million Muslims, most of them under 30.


Is a new angry, alienated generation of European Muslims now being drawn to radicalism?
That's certainly a widespread fear.
The London bombings were followed a few months later by the Paris riots. And then, more recently, the controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. All these have reinforced that fear.
In the suburbs on the northern rim of the French capital, I found young Muslims, from Arab and African families, who feel excluded by the French state.
When during the riots President Chirac belatedly intervened, telling the people of the suburbs they were all sons and daughters of the French republic, many of them saw it as a bad joke.
France, unlike Britain, tries to keep religion out of public life. Everyone is supposed to be equal, regardless of cultural background.
Try telling that to Ali, who is 24 and unemployed.
"France has betrayed the young people of the suburbs. When you're called Ali you can't get a job. The French don't accept Islam. Politicians promise us mosques and so on, but at the same time they smear us and call us terrorists."
A double culture
I visited Clichy sous Bois, where the riots began after the accidental death of two teenagers during a police chase.
At a youth club, an audition was under way for budding stand-up comedians.


Fifou, a lively young French-Algerian student, did a sketch poking fun at the "double culture" in which she and her friends live.
At home they must be good Muslim kids; but outside they want the good life, just like their non-Muslim friends.
For a moment, I forgot about those thousands of cars, and hundreds of buildings, destroyed in three weeks of rioting last year.
But not for long.
Sitting in the youth club was Samir, a young activist who has set up a group to keep alive the memory of the two dead teenagers.
I asked him what his aim was. His answer: "To give voice to the pain."
There have been riots before, and nothing changed. This time he wants the message to get through. Roger Hardy's three-part series "Europe's Angry Young Muslims" begins on the BBC World Service on 8 March.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4781290.stm

Published: 2006/03/07 11:57:35 GMT

© BBC MMVI

Pindeho
03-07-2006, 01:22 PM
Islam is a different way of life and another world altogether.

Mr.K
03-07-2006, 03:02 PM
This has nothing to do with the muslim way of life.
In France maghrebians are discirminated, its hard for them to find a decent job or an appartment to live in. (Keep in mind that these people speak perfect french, and if they are immigrants they recieved a scolarity very silmilar to the one in France.)
What esle makes them angry. Imagine you're born in a poor parisian suburb. Your dad, who immigrated to this country has a low paid job,lets say a factory worker. Your older brother can't find one, who do you look up to as a role model? You grow up and realise that there is no future for you. You live in a sh*ty neighborhood.You can't go in a night club because you're not white. On top of that people call you "sale bougnoule" on a daily basis.
When you are excluded from the society, you have no motivation ,you"ll end up hating what surrounds you. And so begins the crime or fasination with radical islam. Face it when life is too hard, some seek comfort in relgion.

AROUETLJ
03-07-2006, 03:44 PM
That would explain radicalism among French Muslims. What about the ones in Britain then? No one calls anyone "dirty Paki" over there.

Thor
03-07-2006, 06:24 PM
Shamsul admires the courage of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the group, even though he condemns what he did.
Imagine what he would say off the record..

It's this passive support of terrorism that's the biggest problem today.

Argyll
03-07-2006, 06:38 PM
That would explain radicalism among French Muslims. What about the ones in Britain then? No one calls anyone "dirty Paki" over there.

Wanna bet?...........they've been getting victimised since they arrived in this country,care to tell me how many English Pakistani Premiership footballers there are?........have you ever wondered why?

Until recently,there were no coloured soldiers in the Guards Division,or the Household Division either.........I wonder why that was?

Racism in the UK has been rife for decades

Argyll
03-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Imagine what he would say off the record..

It's this passive support of terrorism that's the biggest problem today.

Just like the Republicans and Nationalists citizens from Northern and Southern Ireland who supported the IRA?

americanbychoice
03-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Wanna bet?

I think he was making a joke about English superiority with the "dirty Paki" line...

AROUETLJ
03-07-2006, 07:33 PM
Hell no, I wasn't joking. The Brits love Pakistanis/Indians/West Indians/Nigerians etc. Look at the BBC. Look at the House of Lords. Look at the world of fashion/pop music/any sort of music/literature, look at the kind of people obtaining British passports after passing sacks of money to Dear Leader Tony Blair. Look at the Medical Register in the UK. Trust me, "ethnic minorities" (minorities?) are not "alienated" in the UK. The only racist people in the UK are the lager lout football hooligan crowd, and the BNP, and they're not the ones who wield political or economic power. You asked about Pakistanis in the Premier League. One word: Cricket. As for the Guards Division, they guard the sovereign, and we all know the Royal Family are a bunch of racists (but they still don't wield political power).

Mr.K
03-07-2006, 07:43 PM
there is also penty of "minorities" in the French media and showbiz,and of course the national football team but the condtion for most of people of ethnic origin is the same. Entertainement has little to do with the reality.

DeathForSale
03-08-2006, 01:04 AM
Well lifes tough, so I guess I'll go strap some C4 to myself, walk into a crowd full of people and blow myself and innocents up.

Nice excuse for future islamic terrorists!:bash:

When is Europe gonna learn the only way to play with these people is to play hardball.

mi35d
03-08-2006, 01:21 AM
Lets see...my dirt poor relatives waited their turns and got on some boats. They came in from Sicily and through Argentina.

When they arrived here, they settled into the worst parts of NY city. They were spit on, called vile names, weren't afforded the opportunity to work at anything more than menial labor jobs, were scorned for having a different faith, were beat up, shunned - basically treated like scum of the earth.

My father, my uncles, my Aunts - first generation Americans - still lived with this bigotry years later when they were growing up.

Maybe they've forgotten to tell me the part where they cursed the country that had taken the family in, refused to assimilate and plotted to overthrow the US government.

Oh, wait...they didn't do those things. They adapted and worked hard and understood that having a life in the United States beat the crap out of being a peasent back in the "home country".

The family has mentioned on more than one occasion that my great grand father until the day he died, would raise an American flag in his backyard every morning.

So, to the "angry muslims" I say this: shut up, stop blaming everyone else and if you don't like your adopted country then go BACK. I'm sure there are streets of gold waiting for you in Syria, Lebanon, etc.

DeathForSale
03-08-2006, 01:34 AM
Lets see...my dirt poor relatives waited their turns and got on some boats. They came in from Sicily and through Argentina.

When they arrived here, they settled into the worst parts of NY city. They were spit on, called vile names, weren't afforded the opportunity to work at anything more than menial labor jobs, were scorned for having a different faith, were beat up, shunned - basically treated like scum of the earth.

My father, my uncles, my Aunts - first generation Americans - still lived with this bigotry years later when they were growing up.

Maybe they've forgotten to tell me the part where they cursed the country that had taken the family in, refused to assimilate and plotted to overthrow the US government.

Oh, wait...they didn't do those things. They adapted and worked hard and understood that having a life in the United States beat the crap out of being a peasent back in the "home country".

The family has mentioned on more than one occasion that my great grand father until the day he died, would raise an American flag in his backyard every morning.

So, to the "angry muslims" I say this: shut up, stop blaming everyone else and if you don't like your adopted country then go BACK. I'm sure there are streets of gold waiting for you in Syria, Lebanon, etc.
I have to say I find myself agreeing very much with ze' American:)