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odh2507
05-10-2003, 03:25 AM
hey....i have a project in school i have to do on any topic...i thought about making it on the M-16 standard rifle...i have all the information i need except one thing...can someone tell me what the difference is between the M-16A2, A3, A4? i would really appreciate it if you guys could help me out on this one
Piccolo
05-10-2003, 04:22 AM
From my understanding, the main difference between the A2/A3/A4 is that the A2 comes with the Safe/Semi/Burst trigger group and non-removable carry handle, the A3 with Safe/Semi/Auto group, in addition to a removable carry handle, and the A4 has the same removable carry handle, with a Safe/Semi/Burst group as with the M16A2.
jballou
05-10-2003, 07:45 AM
Piccolo hit it on the head. I've not seen the A3 or A4 in service, I'm not sure what the deal is with them.
Vance
05-10-2003, 08:51 AM
I beileve the A3/A4 was used by the 3rd Infantry in some pictures on this website, because they had scopes.
odh2507
05-10-2003, 09:57 AM
well thanks for the help guys that was the information i needed..i might copy the essay inhere in case you guys want to see it....yes i think there is some pictures with the special forces using the A3 A4, too
FallenAngel
05-10-2003, 01:48 PM
umm....SOF forces don't use A3/A4s......those are M4A1 with KAC rail systems :)
odh2507
05-10-2003, 01:51 PM
KAC RAIL SYSTEM? what is that now?
Piccolo
05-10-2003, 03:08 PM
It's part of the SOCOM package, odh. Basically a rail system used to easily mount various accessorys. Most SOF have them on their M4's; American, British, Australian, Polish, etc.
Bing
05-10-2003, 03:52 PM
just tell him what it means. KAC stands for Knights Armament Corperation, and the rail system is the RIS unit, Rail interface system, nothing new, just different terminology
Royal
05-10-2003, 07:52 PM
It's part of the SOCOM package, odh. Basically a rail system used to easily mount various accessorys. Most SOF have them on their M4's; American, British, Australian, Polish, etc.

British SF don't have them on their M4's 'cos they use C7/8's
Duke
05-10-2003, 08:26 PM
Don't do a project on guns. Someone will think you have only 50 cards.
EliteWolf
05-11-2003, 12:04 AM
Dukes right, your students and teachers are going to think your a gun nut who is crazy enough to come to class shooting anything that moves. :slap:
Piccolo
05-11-2003, 12:41 AM
It's part of the SOCOM package, odh. Basically a rail system used to easily mount various accessorys. Most SOF have them on their M4's; American, British, Australian, Polish, etc.

British SF don't have them on their M4's 'cos they use C7/8's


Yes, good point. I am still under the impression they have a few in stock, however. No big deal though, I realize Royal Marines have C8's largely, but it's hard to indentify what exactly the SAS/SBS blokes are carrying, because pictures of them are naturally not very detailed.
odh2507
05-11-2003, 01:21 AM
well it's not that...i don't love guns...my teacher said that we can do a project about anything we want...so i was like ok i'll do military...but teacher said it would be like a 20 page essay so i said guns and she was like still too much so i said M-16 and she was like alright....that's why..
Bing
05-11-2003, 02:41 PM
there's a history channel documentary on the m16, from its roots up to when the US armed forces adopt the m-16a2. It gives you a lot of information on the politics, growing pains etc. associated with the gun. It doesn't really have much info past the m-16a2 so the more recent models aren't on it. It also has no information on the c7/8. I figured since it was a 20 page essay you would want the in depth history on it so you can...bull **** :) cuz that's all 20 page essays are...facts with lots of bull...

i for one hate the MLA format...

what grade/year in college are you in anyway to be writing a 20 page essay?
woodland
05-11-2003, 02:55 PM
Notice that he lives in Bahrain, boys.....

He doesn't have the f#$%ing politically correct crap over there prob. I bet ppl there can own AK47's.....

Anyway, go ahead odh...

Also: The Brits certainly do use the KAC, just call them up and ask. The C7/C8 are %100 compatible with all M16/M4 accessories in case any of you armchair commando losers didn't know. And dont ask if the M16 is a bullpup or has a SUSAT sight.... one person already made that mistake, dumb asshole. :bash:

BTW: The USMC got M16A4's.... As a matter of fact, US Army Reserves have gotten them not too long ago with M68's (Aimpoint basically...)
FallenAngel
05-11-2003, 03:01 PM
Woodland, you got a serious attitude problem. You criticise people who don't know but who want to learn and you haven't seem to grasp the simple concept of "respect" or "manners". Course, you'll probably call me an asshole or something for saying that. ;)
woodland
05-11-2003, 05:56 PM
Sorry if it came off as I were picking on odh. No, go ahead, I grant you my blessing (would bestow sound better? Not too sure...) If you don't mind I would liek to see a copy of the finished product myself. Just post it here, or since it is 20 pages, go ahead and post that you have it, then I will give you my email...

Wait a minute. It won't be in English, or will it? American school, right? Just guessing.

Woodland! is GAY!!! (notice the emphasis on the !, and I am not Wooland!, I am woodland)
odh2507
05-12-2003, 03:17 AM
well i guess i have to clear some stuff up here...my dad is american and works for the army....that is why i live in bahrain....if ya'll even know where bahrain is.....iam in 10th grade and iam going to an american school so don't talk that **** about me being an arab ...iam full american...woodland you don't even know me damnit....well it's not really 20 pages but my teacher said it should at least be 10pages.....so that's why...noone is allowed to have ak's here in fact you get in jail if you just talk about guns in public....since this is a muslim country...anytyhing else you guys wanna complain about? well i'll just postthe complete document when iam done with it.....maybe i'll get the rough draft inhere and you guys can correct my errors....well ttyl ya'll

silence is golden suppression is better
BiZ
05-12-2003, 03:38 AM
I realize Royal Marines have C8's largely

SBS troops in East Timor (1999) were using three weapons from what I saw: SA80, M-16A2 and HK53 (close protection team).

As Piccolo metnioned I'd bet they're still in the armoury and hanging around.
Chops
05-12-2003, 03:51 PM
Saw a guy on Sky near Basra with a PTT comms kit, black LBV and H&K 53 with the later model flash suppressor looking after some Brit head shed type. SBS or RMP CPT. Surprised they hadn't gone over to the C8/M4 as I've seen SBS guys in AFG carrying them...

rgds

Chops
Royal
05-12-2003, 05:51 PM
Saw a guy on Sky near Basra with a PTT comms kit, black LBV and H&K 53 with the later model flash suppressor looking after some Brit head shed type. SBS or RMP CPT. Surprised they hadn't gone over to the C8/M4 as I've seen SBS guys in AFG carrying them.

RMP (& RMMP) CP still use the HK53 out of choice, for the same reason that UK CivPol don't use C8/M4 - they consider the 53 is more accurate and generally better suited to that role.

Didn't see the clip, but I'd lay money the guy was a monkey, the shakies have better things to do at the moment...