Marine with AK-47

[Dakota435]

Interesting pic. Made me wonder if he was actually sporting the AK as his personal weapon, or if he'd just confiscated it from the guy.

[Dakota435]

What do you have to do to get the pic to appear right in the post??

[Aerosoul]

close the spaces between [IMG] and the url on both sides.
there are several pics out there from Iraq and A-stan with US troops and AKs. In this photo, it does not appear to me that he confiscated it from anyone in the photo...
it looks like he has another rifle across his chest, presumably his issue rifle.

[charge_8]

He could be part of a Marine Liaison team working with ISF or Afghan army. Or the weapon could belong to the home owners, The Marine may be checking out the ownership papers. As a rule, we are not allowed to have personal weapons. However battlefield conditions may dictate differently.

[arachne]

There are American soldiers in Iraq carrying ak-47 and even ppsh-41 alongside m-4/16 for use as a close combat weapon .

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/moje_slike/DSC03523.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/moje_slike/DSC03521.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/moje_slike/DSC03516.jpg

sorry for the low res

[Upfrontreporting]

Arachne,

Those pics looks like they are from a videoclip? If so do have that videoclip?


regards

[arachne]

the photos are from a magazine , but I saw it on CNN also so there is a video though I do not have it .

[PaulClift]

It looks like a pretty new weapon, and in to much of a good condition to belong to the average local peasant.

[Scyth]

Maybe he felt safer with a 7.62 mm rather than a 5.56 mm. Longer range, better penetration etc...

[Justin]

Yea, maybe they prefer the stopping power of the 7.62mm, instead of the 5.56mm.

[Icarus1]

I'll agree with the guys carrying AK47, but the ppsh-41... ?

http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/ppsh41A.jpg
Caliber: 7.62x25mm Soviet auto
Length: 33 in ( 838mm)
Weight (unloaded): 8 lb (3.64kg)
Barrel: 10.5 in (266mm), 4 groove, right-hand twist
Magazine: 35 round detachable box or 71 round drum
Ammunition: Type P1; 86 gr bullet, 8 gr charge (1.35in)
Type P-41; 74 gr bullet, 8 gr charge , AP/Incdy (1.36in)
Rate of Fire: 900rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps P1; 1600 fps P-41

A little bit heavy for what it is... also a little bit... hmm... how do I say... old?

[AnniHilatoR]

Yea, maybe they prefer the stopping power of the 7.62mm, instead of the 5.56mm.

Indeed. Although the AK is less accurate, it would be more effective than an M4 at CQC.

[conscript]

my comrade saw an ING (iraqi national guard) with pps-41 on his prewious tour in iraq! but US soldier with it its really interesting?!

[JVeld]

He appears to indeed be using that AK, if you notice the way he is holding it ! ... I heard that Aks are used by some of our guys there, they like the range and firepower although is not as accurate as the M4/16, but it is pretty good for close fire fights.

[arachne]

I'll agree with the guys carrying AK47, but the ppsh-41... ?

http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/ppsh41A.jpg
Caliber: 7.62x25mm Soviet auto
Length: 33 in ( 838mm)
Weight (unloaded): 8 lb (3.64kg)
Barrel: 10.5 in (266mm), 4 groove, right-hand twist
Magazine: 35 round detachable box or 71 round drum
Ammunition: Type P1; 86 gr bullet, 8 gr charge (1.35in)
Type P-41; 74 gr bullet, 8 gr charge , AP/Incdy (1.36in)
Rate of Fire: 900rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps P1; 1600 fps P-41

A little bit heavy for what it is... also a little bit... hmm... how do I say... old?

71 round drum
that is the main reason , you can spray a bunch of bullets when entering a hostile house

[Seraphim]

Earlier on in the war, it was reported that the troops used AKs because of ammo shortages. And it was a devastating psychological effect to use the enemys weapon on them.

[daktari]

71rds drum & high reliability

can fire buried in sand p-)

and the 7,65x25 is some hi-power thing, very good ammo
a bit to powerfull for automatic pistols

[Raptus_regaliter]

71rds drum & high reliability

can fire buried in sand p-)

and the 7,65x25 is some hi-power *censored**censored**censored**censored*, very good ammo
a bit to powerfull for automatic pistols
It actually has a very poor reputation for stopping power... but in full-auto at close range it's hard to argue with.

[Lupin]

I'll agree with the guys carrying AK47, but the ppsh-41... ?

http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/ppsh41A.jpg
Caliber: 7.62x25mm Soviet auto
Length: 33 in ( 838mm)
Weight (unloaded): 8 lb (3.64kg)
Barrel: 10.5 in (266mm), 4 groove, right-hand twist
Magazine: 35 round detachable box or 71 round drum
Ammunition: Type P1; 86 gr bullet, 8 gr charge (1.35in)
Type P-41; 74 gr bullet, 8 gr charge , AP/Incdy (1.36in)
Rate of Fire: 900rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps P1; 1600 fps P-41

A little bit heavy for what it is... also a little bit... hmm... how do I say... old?


old but lethal...

[Sebastian]

71rds drum & high reliability

can fire buried in sand p-)

and the 7,65x25 is some hi-power *censored**censored**censored**censored*, very good ammo
a bit to powerfull for automatic pistols

I wouldn't say high reliability, it wasn't that reliable mainly due to the drum magazine. Thats why the Soviets deisgned a curved magazine so jaming wasn't as frequent. They may have introduced better drum magazines later on don't know. But, still a effective weapon otherwise.

[JVeld]

71 round drum
that is the main reason , you can spray a bunch of bullets when entering a hostile house
So can the AK-47 ....

[Bombtrack]

Im pretty sure this was already talked about on this site (re the Ppsh41) his weapon became NS for reasons I forget and picked that up and kept going

[Scyth]

And it was a devastating psychological effect to use the enemys weapon on them.

How can it be devastating on people who got fired upon with AK-47s almost all their lives?

7.62 mm has some advantages during anti-guerilla warfare. You can pick your targets on longer ranges, especially in a terrain like A-stan where you have wide valleys, rolling hills and no thick woodlands, and the wound you inflict is so ugly that it has a certain psychological effect. You tend to aim first and fire in single shots, hence better accuracy, instead of firing away, because automatic fire with a 7.62mm can be quite a brain-shaking experience.

However, one advantage of the 5.56mm is that you tend to wound your opponent instead of blowing him away on the spot. Then you can pick his buddies who'll rush to rescue him one by one.

[Sebastian]

So can the AK-47 ....

Yeah, but those variantions of the AK-47 arn't very common in the first place. 30 round clip will serve better because generally speaking drum magazines arn't very reliable. That clip might serve better, but it looks very silly indeed. Hey, whatever works.

[daktari]

you can also pick russian ammo on ennemies
no supplies problems:)

[Resurrection]

Clip:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/tehswede/clip.jpg

Magazine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/tehswede/30RoundPre-BandMagazine.jpg

[Raptus_regaliter]

I was waiting for someone to point that out.

[ed316]

He probably meant if you were using the AK not the M4/16

[JoeBlack23]

71 round drum
that is the main reason , you can spray a bunch of bullets when entering a hostile house

Thats what i would say too....you can pepper the enemy with that mp...further in close combat such as urban comabt the range of a weapon and the caliber arent too important( obviously they shouldnt be too small). If your in a house with your enemy..comabt ranges are only a few meters..

[iGrooCk]

why wats wrong with PPSH? spray and you will sure to get a kill in CQC

[AFJROTC55]

maybe i just didnt read it but i thought that the "burp" used different ammo than an ak, i wonder how hard it is to get ammo for the thing if you use it on a regular basis?

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[ed316]

isn't AK 7.62x39 and the pphh is 7.62x25

[tuercas]

isn't AK 7.62x39 and the pphh is 7.62x25
yes it is, 7.62X25mm, same as the tokarev tt33 pistol, it is still a readily available calibre all over the world, even new production, mostly because of how many tt33 are still in use.

[Bombtrack]

Im pretty sure this was already talked about on this site (re the Ppsh41) his weapon became NS for reasons I forget and picked that up and kept going

any one? any one? Buehller?

[wormie]

This Is A Very Intaresting Thread And I Approve And Give Three Thumbs Up Yes I Do

[HoboWithAK]

Indeed. Although the AK is less accurate, it would be more effective than an M4 at CQC.

And this comes from your infinite knowledge of things you read on the internet?

[ed316]

And this comes from your infinite knowledge of things you read on the internet?


rofl rofl rofl rofl

M4 lenght=Overall length: 838 mm (stock extended); 757 mm (stock fully collapsed)

AK length=Overall length: 870 mm

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

[dobrodan]

How can it be devastating on people who got fired upon with AK-47s almost all their lives?

7.62 mm has some advantages during anti-guerilla warfare. You can pick your targets on longer ranges, especially in a terrain like A-stan where you have wide valleys, rolling hills and no thick woodlands, and the wound you inflict is so ugly that it has a certain psychological effect. You tend to aim first and fire in single shots, hence better accuracy, instead of firing away, because automatic fire with a 7.62mm can be quite a brain-shaking experience.

However, one advantage of the 5.56mm is that you tend to wound your opponent instead of blowing him away on the spot. Then you can pick his buddies who'll rush to rescue him one by one.

You are probably mixing 7.62x39 with 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x54R...

I doubt that 7.62x39 has any more range than 5.56... I also doubt that standard 7.62x39 necessarily inflicts any uglier wounds than standard 5.56. Especially not at short ranges, where 5.56 tends to fragment, while 7.62x39 don´t.

7.62x39 is a breeze to fire, only recoiling slightly more than 5.56.
However, 7.62x51 NATO recoils quite harshly in comparison. Especially in full automatic out of a G3-rifle. An AK or a M4/16 is no problem to control when firing automatic, while the G3 is quite brutal.

[Canuck Farrier]

ppsh 41 was also quick and easy to manufacture and performed well on the russian frontp-)

[Dronetek]

Maybe it was his best weapon in Call of Duty 2 or Battlefield 1942 and it transfered to real life? :)

[Canuck Farrier]

Hey dont forget Vietcong Purple Haze:)

[Seraphim]

How can it be devastating on people who got fired upon with AK-47s almost all their lives?

7.62 mm has some advantages during anti-guerilla warfare. You can pick your targets on longer ranges, especially in a terrain like A-stan where you have wide valleys, rolling hills and no thick woodlands, and the wound you inflict is so ugly that it has a certain psychological effect. You tend to aim first and fire in single shots, hence better accuracy, instead of firing away, because automatic fire with a 7.62mm can be quite a brain-shaking experience.

However, one advantage of the 5.56mm is that you tend to wound your opponent instead of blowing him away on the spot. Then you can pick his buddies who'll rush to rescue him one by one.

Dont blame the messenger.

[Chops]

If that grunt took the PPSH from a cache, I'd be worried about jarking...but of course we don't do that do we... ;-)

C

[Thor]

You are probably mixing 7.62x39 with 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x54R...
x2

I was just going to say that

[JoeBlack23]

My uncle used it on the eastern front...had a higher rate of fire than the mp 40 and a much greater ammo capacity....he liked it

[BiZ]

If that grunt took the PPSH from a cache, I'd be worried about jarking...but of course we don't do that do we... ;-)

C

Could prove to be an interesting afternoon if that is the case... ;)

Certainly no tea and medals to be handed out...

[Warrior(Spain)]

With Dragunov
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6231/1irakdragunov431693376wecgggph.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Scyth]

You are probably mixing 7.62x39 with 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x54R...

I doubt that 7.62x39 has any more range than 5.56... I also doubt that standard 7.62x39 necessarily inflicts any uglier wounds than standard 5.56. Especially not at short ranges, where 5.56 tends to fragment, while 7.62x39 don´t.

7.62x39 is a breeze to fire, only recoiling slightly more than 5.56.
However, 7.62x51 NATO recoils quite harshly in comparison. Especially in full automatic out of a G3-rifle. An AK or a M4/16 is no problem to control when firing automatic, while the G3 is quite brutal.

Actually I had the G-3 in mind. Thanks for clarification.