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Jimmy Carter Calls Iraq War "Unjust"
POSTED: 6:02 am EST March 9, 2006
SEATTLE -- As the United States begins its fourth year in Iraq, former President Jimmy Carter blasted the war in an appearance in Washington state, calling it "completely unnecessary," "unjust," and "initiated on the basis of false pretenses."
Carter was in Seattle yesterday for a building dedication at the University of Washington. The event that was interrupted when strong winds lifted part of the tent where he and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates had just finished speaking. No one was injured, but the event was moved indoors.
Carter's comments about Iraq came during a ten-minute news conference beforehand.
Carter said that although the war was unjust and based on false pretenses, the U-S cannot just "pre-emptively withdraw."
He urged the Bush administration to bring home as many troops as possible within the next 12 months.
I REALLY dislike this old fart.
Greek soldier
03-10-2006, 10:30 AM
Nuh, I guess he is now back on the peanut industry...
BTW, under Carter Administration the USA didn't participate to any war AFAIK...
GuiltySpark
03-10-2006, 10:38 AM
*censored**censored**censored**censored* him what does he know p-)
signatory
03-10-2006, 10:41 AM
Nuh, I guess he is now back on the peanut industry...
BTW, under Carter Administration the USA didn't participate to any war AFAIK...
A messed up rescue mission for the hostages in Iran...that's about it.
Firetxmi
03-10-2006, 11:14 AM
He is SOOOOOO unAmerican! I think he hates america in fact. He is without a doubt aiding and abetting the enemy. Lets hang him for treason! :roll:
Did I miss any of the cliches that are ever so popular on this forum?
Ea$y-8
03-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Jimmy, you really are a peanut head...
http://www.hinternet.de/cartoon/2002/images/cdw02-27.gif
Greek soldier
03-10-2006, 11:22 AM
He is SOOOOOO unAmerican! I think he hates america in fact. He is without a doubt aiding and abetting the enemy. Lets hang him for treason! :roll:
Did I miss any of the cliches that are ever so popular on this forum?
Hang Bidelberg for promoting him as President of the USA! p-)
Geezah
03-10-2006, 11:26 AM
I REALLY dislike this old fart.
I don't think you are the only one........
vryhpyammoadded
03-10-2006, 11:36 AM
Former President Jimmy Carter blasted the war in an appearance in Washington state, calling it "completely unnecessary," "unjust," and "initiated on the basis of false pretenses."
“The U-S cannot just "pre-emptively withdraw."
He urged the Bush administration to bring home as many troops as possible within the next 12 months.
Completely unnecessary: I disagree although I would have loved to see better world unity in enforcing sanctions and pressure on Saddam that may have given a slim chance not to invade.
Unjust: I completely disagree here. Bush followed proper procedure and did nothing illegal prosecuting the war.
Initiated on False pretenses: The fact that Iraq did not have any significant WMD’s stockpiles or manufacturing facilities by the time of the invasion is irrelevant.
I see no falsification of evidence concerning Saddam’s repeated contemptible actions and sometimes complete flagrant violation of the UN which is the “legal” and only important reason for the war.
Pre-emptive withdrawal: I agree with Carter that this would be counter productive.
Withdrawal in 12 months: Maybe but not until the regional military commanders give the ok.
I think Jimmy is getting a bit old and succumbing to the lefts hype and melodrama but then again, his philosophy just isn’t compatible with the new aggressive foreign policy of the right.
I’m kind of sorry to see him supporting the psycho left and thought better of him, feeling he was more of the center moderate left instead. He’s still ok though; just getting a bit eccentric with age.
LOL, calm down Firetxmi.
Firetxmi
03-10-2006, 11:59 AM
LOL, calm down Firetxmi.
Oh, I'm perfectly calm. I just find it funny how everyone likes to repeat the same cliches "against" those who disagree with this admin.
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Trigger
03-10-2006, 12:26 PM
Oh, I'm perfectly calm. I just find it funny how everyone likes to repeat the same cliches "against" those who disagree with this admin.
So far, it appears that you're the only one to do so in this thread. Congrats on the pre-emptive bitching.:cantbeli:
Ea$y-8
03-10-2006, 12:29 PM
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rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
mi35d
03-10-2006, 02:04 PM
In times past, presidents and major politicians once out of office would retire to their personal lives and stay out of the media.
Carter, Clinton & Gore have both decided that the time honored tradition be damned.
Carter - the man that brought us double digit inflation, degraded our military, and helped to set the stage for political conflict and failure in the middle east and in central America should quietly go back to his Habitat for Humanity project.
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The USS Clinton pulling into port...
Or the carrier USS John F Kerry...the joke works either way.
Seiyuuki
03-10-2006, 03:27 PM
I was at the ceremony and all I got was a T-shirt.
vryhpyammoadded
03-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Oh, I'm perfectly calm. I just find it funny how everyone likes to repeat the same cliches "against" those who disagree with this admin.
I know, just getting into the sarcastic mood too ;-)
California Joe
03-10-2006, 05:33 PM
Former Presidents should be more judicious in their public ****ouncements of current administration policies. That being said...
Lets see, Carter, a former nuclear sub commander, that's "new cle er" not "new cue ler", takes the advice of all of your SF type ninja heroes and OKs a hostage rescue attempt that turns into a clusterf*ck and gets some ninjas unfortunately killed in the process and he's the biggest **** in the world? How about invading a country cause you don't like the ****head in charge with too few troops and getting a lot more people killed in the process, land on a carrier and declare mission accomplished when it'll take another 20 years, alienate the known world with your arrogant posturing and manage to butcher the English language daily reinforcing the world view of Americans as illiterate hicks.
mi35d
03-10-2006, 07:04 PM
I personally don't attack the man (Carter) for the hostage rescue attempt.
What I do attack him on is his horrible economic policies and crappy foriegn policies that lead to the geo-political crapfests we had in the 80's. A fact that is constantly glossed over by the retro-history movement.
Laworkerbee
03-10-2006, 07:37 PM
Former Presidents should be more judicious in their public ****ouncements of current administration policies. That being said...
Lets see, Carter, a former nuclear sub commander, that's "new cle er" not "new cue ler", takes the advice of all of your SF type ninja heroes and OKs a hostage rescue attempt that turns into a clusterf*ck and gets some ninjas unfortunately killed in the process and he's the biggest **** in the world? How about invading a country cause you don't like the ****head in charge with too few troops and getting a lot more people killed in the process, land on a carrier and declare mission accomplished when it'll take another 20 years, alienate the known world with your arrogant posturing and manage to butcher the English language daily reinforcing the world view of Americans as illiterate hicks.
Well said Joe!
I always thought Carter was more careful about the application of force simply because he used to have his finger on the big red button so to speak ( boomer commander ), that kind of responsibility makes a man think twice.
California Joe
03-10-2006, 08:17 PM
I agree with mi35 that the economy was horrible on Carters watch. We know this because we are old enough to have lived through it. What irritates me no end is knobs that weren't even alive yet taking shots at a guy when their greatest achievement so far in life is not popping a ***** in Math class today.
remo williams
03-10-2006, 08:32 PM
A messed up rescue mission for the hostages in Iran...that's about it.
true,but that screw up gave birth to spec-ops as we know it.At least that's what the pilot on the hist ch 160th soar docu said..p-)
Ea$y-8
03-11-2006, 01:53 AM
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ogukuo72
03-11-2006, 07:17 AM
Well said Joe!
I always thought Carter was more careful about the application of force simply because he used to have his finger on the big red button so to speak ( boomer commander ), that kind of responsibility makes a man think twice.
I'm sure he was a good nuclear submarine commander. I think he was probably even a really good peanut farmer. He's just not a very good President.
It's amazing how little people know or remember their history. Jimmy Carter messed up both the economy - inflation plus depression - an achievement only a few presidents ever achieved (BTW, for those of you who don't know anything about economics, deflation is a bad thing).
He pursued a naive (known euphermistically as "idealistic") foreign policy emphasising on human rights, and in the process dropping support to anti-communist governments all over the world, which led to a stampede amongst third world countries from the free world to the communist camp. When the Soviet Union marched into Afghanistan, he wrung his hand, made threatening noises, and did nothing.
One more thing about the Iranian hostage crisis. A lot of things went wrong, which probably had nothing to do with the President and his decision making. But it was his weakness which embolden the Iranian radicals in the first place. He was accurately perceived to be indecisive and timid. This was confirmed when instead of allowing the rescue to continue after Desert One, he hastily and prematurely cancelled the operation and ordered the troops back.
By all indicators, George W Bush has done a much better job than Jimmy Carter. Which is why he won a second term, and Jimmy Carter is travelling around the world sticking his nose in other people's business.
Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-11-2006, 07:47 AM
Actually Carters economics was probably arguably respobsible for the US's economic growth of the 80's.
He did bring in quite a few policies that led to growth.
The thing is, You bring in a policy, but it takes over 10 years to work.
Same thing happened here. The ALP introduced radical economic reforms that the current conservative government claiming as their thing.
Originally Posted by Firetxmi
Oh, I'm perfectly calm. I just find it funny how everyone likes to repeat the same cliches "against" those who disagree with this admin.
come on, this topic was created for cliches like those.
for what else? to discuss something? mmmm... nope.
;)
Kilgor
03-11-2006, 08:23 AM
Actually Carters economics was probably arguably respobsible for the US's economic growth of the 80's.
He did bring in quite a few policies that led to growth.
The thing is, You bring in a policy, but it takes over 10 years to work.
Same thing happened here. The ALP introduced radical economic reforms that the current conservative government claiming as their thing.
As soon as I read "takes over 10 years to work" I knew you were going to mention australia's case. and surely enough.... :roll:
Violet Fashion by Mindy
03-11-2006, 08:30 AM
Tell me one good policy the Liberals have come up with since Menzies regained power in the 50's that has led to sustained economic growth?
You cant do it.
Firetxmi
03-11-2006, 09:15 AM
come on, this topic was created for cliches like those.
for what else? to discuss something? mmmm... nope.
;)
Ahhhhh. Your right. What was I thinking? :D
ogukuo72
03-11-2006, 09:44 AM
Actually Carters economics was probably arguably respobsible for the US's economic growth of the 80's.
He did bring in quite a few policies that led to growth.
The thing is, You bring in a policy, but it takes over 10 years to work.
Same thing happened here. The ALP introduced radical economic reforms that the current conservative government claiming as their thing.
OK, argue away. This ought to be good. :)
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