Can i buy a M24 in the USA ?

[Groove]

Hi,

are there shops in the USA or somewhere else in the world which sell M24 sniper weapons ?

Thx for an answer in advance!

[TacoDelRio]

Yup

I don't know of a "sniper version". It's pretty much just the "M24 SWS".

Remington sells them. HS precision made the stock. The entire package goes for about $7,000+ if I remember. I was thinking of ordering one when I was in that business, but that's a pipe dream, I'll never have that kinda money.

Check out Remington's website, and their military site as well.

[HoboWithAK]

For the money you can put together a comprable, if not better rifle for your needs from over the counter parts.

[LaoSexMachine]

http://texasbrigadearmory.com/m40a3.htm

If you got the cash, this is a good place.


$2850

[Beckett]

you could build the rifle for about 1k plus the cost of the scope.

[ZaakM433]

you could build the rifle for about 1k plus the cost of the scope.
Yeah, do u actually NEED an actual M24? You dont need to standardize, you have more options. You should be able to get a better rifle for your needs for less money.

[jipman]

$7000 :O why?

[Beckett]

exactly, you could build a better and cheaper rifle then a m24 if you wanted to.

[TacoDelRio]

exactly, you could build a better and cheaper rifle then a m24 if you wanted to.

Yup.

But then it wouldn't be an M24. :)

[Beckett]

hahha ya thats true, but a m24 wouldnt be that expensive or hard to build anyways.

[TacoDelRio]

Remington 700 PSS - $800
HS Precision stock - $450?
Leupold VARI-X III 3.10x40mm Mil-Dot scope - $1,300?
Badger Ordnance Mounts - $120?

Not too expensive.

The M24 comes with a HARDIGG hard gun case, Olympic free-rifle globe-front, apreture rear iron sights (removeable, hence the mount at the end of the barrel), M1907 shooting sling, and a buncha other crap.

I do suggest the M1907 sling. Great piece of kit. The iron sights are more of a Palma Match / National Match part, not too "tactical". Yeah yeah I know, if your scope breaks.... then you probably fell off a f*cking cliff and are near death anyway, considering Leupold's durability! Don't gimme that crap.

[~~~~]

Hi,

are there shops in the USA or somewhere else in the world which sell M24 sniper weapons ?

Thx for an answer in advance!


huhuh, at first look I thought you were talking about Mi24...

:-))

[tehllama]

Wow, Skorot's got the right idea to a T.

You may look into a customized barrel (perhaps flash hider, as I think the newer M24's might go with)
Stupid thing, but I think the M24's use the M700 Long action unlike the M40's. I think the PSS uses the short action, but if I'm wrong, please slap me.

For the scope, I'd say you're in business with a Bushnell/Banner, but if you want a rock for a scope, the Mk4's are imho nicer than the VariX-III's, and the M3 knobbed bullet drop compensated models are pretty impressive -- if you don't give a crap abour glass, your deal.
Make sure you get them with some nice Butler Creek flip-opens, and I've heard nothing but good about the Badger rigns.

You may want to look into a Harris 9-13" Swivel bipod -- your call.

[dangerdan87]

Screw Leupold, get a Super Sniper. Super Snipers have a NAVY contract, come in 10x with side and rear focus, 16 and 20x rear focus. Ann the best part, they range from $300 to $400 and just as good as any Leupold.

http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/231/rifle_scopes/super_sniper_rifle_scopes.htm



I swear....there seems to be alot of Kool Aid guzzlers on MP.net :D

[Beckett]

ive always had really good luck with my leuopolds, so why fix whats not broken? if the other scopes work and are cheaper that is all good in my book.

[TacoDelRio]

I've sold tons of Leupolds, seen the sh*t kicked out of them, and they work. I'm not about to spend a sh*tload of money, but if I was, I guess I'd buy a US Optics scope, because apparently they are real tough.... and stuff. Plus their HQ is a short drive from here.

I don't own one, but I'd suggest a Versi-pod bipod. I don't quite like the design of the Harris, and mine needs tuning every so often (even though it's a CHICOM ripoff! Same design though). The Versi-pod has less parts, less crap to get snagged on foliage. Just a personal preferance, obviously.

[dangerdan87]

Versapod doesn't seem as sturdy and stable as my Harris's.

[TacoDelRio]

What's the problem with them? (Once again, I don't have much experience with the Versi-pods)

[dangerdan87]

You dont need to spend $1000 + on a scope that basically the Super Sniper can do.
Hell, I'm using the Super Sniper 10x42M out to 1000 yards and getting hell of a great group.

Go ahead, buy your Leupolds, and USO's because you see them on rifles in the sandbox. That just means more Super Snipers for me! YAY! (for half the price of what your paying for and with the same quality)

[dangerdan87]

What's the problem with them? (Once again, I don't have much experience with the Versi-pods)

I've never liked them. My pod legs wouldnt stay where I wanted them all the time and kept sticking out and getting in the way of brush and crap. My Harris's stay where I want them are anrent as much as a hastle.

[TacoDelRio]

Harumph.

I've never actually seen a Super Sniper scope. The name put me off as being some mega-tactical thing with a catchy name. Got any pictures?

[dangerdan87]

Harumph.

I've never actually seen a Super Sniper scope. The name put me off as being some mega-tactical thing with a catchy name. Got any pictures?

You must have missed my post on the first page.
http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/231/rifle_scopes/super_sniper_rifle_scopes.htm

[TacoDelRio]

Nope, I didn.t' I was just curious what your "rig" looked like. Damn that sounds dirty. I'm not that kinda man, Dan!

[dangerdan87]

Nope, I didn.t' I was just curious what your "rig" looked like. Damn that sounds dirty. I'm not that kinda man, Dan!

I shall have a camera back in a few weeks and I will probably make a thread of my rifle build.

[TacoDelRio]

Cool beans!

Next time I'm back in the "gun world", I'll check out one of them Super Sniper scopes. Till then, I'm still a poor white boy. :(

[Mountain Man]

Have you looked into the Remington PSS also? I haven't looked too hard but the rifle itself is a little cheaper and might save you money. Pretty close to being the same rifle anyway, just depends on your needs. We shoot sub minute groups on a regular basis with ours.

[ABNINF]

Have you looked into the Remington PSS also? I haven't looked too hard but the rifle itself is a little cheaper and might save you money. Pretty close to being the same rifle anyway, just depends on your needs. We shoot sub minute groups on a regular basis with ours.

I was extremely dissappointed with the PSS, and even more so with Remington's customer service. The problem with the PSS is, Remington doesn't guarantee the accuracy of the rifle to civilian personnel, i.e. non-law enforcement. I bought one, and couldn't get it to shoot a decent group. Groups averaged in the 2 MOA range. The worst was the 165 gr Winchester Supremes, 4 inches at 100m. I got some decent groups finally with some hand loads, but started busting casings. I went back through all the previously fired brass, and ALL of it, including once-fired, non-reloaded brass, bulged on one side where the chamber was f***ed up. I sent it back to Remington to get it fixed. I kept trying to call to check on my rifle, and could never get anyone to tell me what was going on with it, till a month later it showed up without warning, saying that no problems were found, and that it met their "accuracy standards". When I asked what their standards were, they said that if it held 3 shots under 1.5" @ 100 yards, and 5 under 2", it was "fine". Kinda s****y for "tactical" rifle. So, I sold it, bought a Savage 10FPLE2B and couldn't be more satisfied. It holds .5 MOA with factory Federal GMM ammo and I have never shot a +MOA group with it. Haven't even had to venture into the handloading realm with it. I'll being willing to bet that I could get some 1/3 MOA groups from it with some tailored loads.

[TacoDelRio]

I'd personally go with the Savage Model 10 (tactical whatever) like yours, heavy barrel and all, and get a different McMillian stock for it. That would be the winner. My buddy's got one in a Choate stock. Not too bad, btu I'll go the McMillian route.

[Beckett]

hmmm ive always had really good luck with my remingtons. most of them are for hunting but i got a 700 i forget the model exactly but it was the varmint one in 308. i put a new stock on it and that was it and it shoots little over half moa at 100 yards. guess you can get a bad one no matter what ya buy.

[Seraphim]

I'd personally go with the Savage Model 10 (tactical whatever) like yours, heavy barrel and all, and get a different McMillian stock for it. That would be the winner. My buddy's got one in a Choate stock. Not too bad, btu I'll go the McMillian route.

Friend has the one with the choate stock...but his is the shortened barreled version. If I would pick up a bolt action rifle it would be the same one as ABNINF.

[ABNINF]

hmmm ive always had really good luck with my remingtons. most of them are for hunting but i got a 700 i forget the model exactly but it was the varmint one in 308. i put a new stock on it and that was it and it shoots little over half moa at 100 yards. guess you can get a bad one no matter what ya buy.

Well, I can understand that too. Everyone produces a lemon every once in a while. The problem I had with it, was that even though they noted and acknowledged an "accuracy problem" in their statement they sent back with the rifle, they refused to do anything about it.

[homeinvader]

Super Snipers. Nice for a $400 scope, but it is an enitrely different application than a Leupold or US Optics or S&B or any Army, Marine Corps or SEAL rig.

Super Snipers lack the glass and coating quality of the more expensive units. The elevation and windage adjustments are not as durable or precise. They might be 1/4 or 1/2 MOA adjustments according to the manual, but they are NOT truly 1/4 or 1/2 MOA and each click is not precisely the same adjustment as the last and next. Because of this, they do not track like a Leupold or US Optics scope. Zero your super sniper at 200 or 300 yards, then shoot a tracking box making major up elevation, left windage, down elevation, right windage, up elevation, left windage, down elevation adjustments with 3 shots at each "corner". The idea is to shoot a large box and walk yourself around the perimeter until you get back precisely where you started, returning to the exact same zero setting according to the turrets. When you return to the original zero, your scope should put the rounds right where they started, but Super Snipers, you'll usually find, do not. And tracking just gets worse the more you use it.

The Navy contract so often citing as a testament to Super Sniper quality is NOT for a sniper application, it is NOT a combat unit. The Navy had a need for a scoped rifle for mine clearance and more utilitarian duties. They could not justify the purchase of a $1000 or more unit because they simply do not need that level of quality or durability. For Navy use, these scopes are not dragged around in the mud, bumped around in helicopters and it is not of any vital importance that the scope retain zero in all possible conditions. With these Navy contract Tascos, lives are NOT intented to be entrusted. That's the difference.

Super Snipers in civilian hands by and large are not used much. They are stored in soft rifle cases or gun safes, they get zeroed once in awhile and simply looked through thereafter during 50-100 round shooting sessions with relatively limited use of the windage and elevation turrets. Under these conditions, no one would notice where the extra $500-$1500 goes in buying a higher end unit, but there is a HUGE difference.

If you own an expensive, high-quality rifle, the only thing you are doing by using a Super Sniper on it is saving money. If that's important to you, great. But it's like buying an expensive sports car, then using low-quality gas to save a few bucks.

I'm not poo-pooing Super Snipers. They cost $400 and that's it's own argument-ending excuse for lacking precision, durability and consistency. It has all the precision, durability and consistency you could reasonably expect of a $400 scope. I'd enthusiastically put a Super Sniper on a otherwise stock $700 rifle, the Super Sniper's intended market and price point. It is when, in someone's inexperienced glee, they put the Super Sniper up against top-enders that the Super Sniper needs to be put into its proper place as a $400 lower-end scope.

[homeinvader]

Sorry, I also wanted to saying something about an M24...

If the poster is interested in an M24, DIYers are not going to convince him, nor should they. There aren't that many people who can build an M24. You could buy all the parts, they are all off-the-shelf, but it's in the assembling of those parts that an M24 SWS is made.

Crowning, lapping, drilling, tapping, truing, torquing, squaring, bedding, these are not operations for the inexperienced or underequipped (the tools and machines needed for these steps are going to be more far more expensive than the rifle itself). And you certainly don't buy M24-level parts to "try" these operations for the first time even if you have all the tools.

The best deal out there for an M24 is Texas Brigade Armory. $2850 for the rifle (optics are more). The actual Remington M24 is $3350 (rifle only) the last time I checked and it isn't quite as good as Mike Lau's (TBA). TBA's is also a true clone of the US Army SWS.

[dangerdan87]

Do you have experience of the Super Sniper?
Ive used it on my buddies FN SPR from 200-1000 yards and getting sub-MOA to MOA groups consistantly...

[RifleScopes.com]

homeinvader,

Your post is full of lies and false information. It is so far from the truth that it really does not merit much of a rebuttal.

Anyone wanting to know the truth about the Super Sniper line of scopes should read these reviews:
SniperCountry.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/1.htm)
SnipersParadise.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/6.htm)
SnipersWorld.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/5.htm)
Very High Power Magazine review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/2.htm)
GunBlast.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/8.htm)
TacticalShooter.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/4.htm)

Or these customer testimonies. (http://www.supersniper.com/SuperSniperTestimonials.htm)

Or this recent post on OpticsTalk.com (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3273&PN=1)...SS10x42 / .308 / 1500yd testing

Or search for super sniper on:
SnipersHide.com (http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=19;hardset=0;start_point=0;DaysPrune=0), AR15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=18), SnipersParadise.com (http://snipersparadise.com), snipercountry.com (http://snipercountry.com/), etc.

Or ask the boys in uniform that bet their life on them daily. These are not cheap scopes, they are inexpensive scopes. We have them made and sell them direct to the public and the military. Before we took over the contract the scopes did sell for $800. - $900.

What do you think a Leupold scope cost Leupold to make? What if they did not have a huge staff, buildings, machinery, etc. to support and they just marked them up a little over cost.

Please provide me with hard facts that you base your opinions on. The Navy buying them to shoot mines is a good one. I speak from facts and hard evidence. We are a current military supplier and our product has an extremely good track record in combat.

Your attempt to discredit our product is taken very seriously. Take the time to educate your self by reading the reviews and testimonies....also note some of the names attached to these reviews and testimonies before you attempt to discredit them.

Have you ever even owned a Super Sniper scope?

Chris Farris
SWFA, Inc.

[dangerdan87]

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/463/owend3we.jpg\
:D

[Beckett]

o sh#t the end is near for this thread.:roll:

[homeinvader]

homeinvader,

Your post is full of lies and false information. It is so far from the truth that it really does not merit much of a rebuttal.

Anyone wanting to know the truth about the Super Sniper line of scopes should read these reviews:
SniperCountry.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/1.htm)
SnipersParadise.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/6.htm)
SnipersWorld.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/5.htm)
Very High Power Magazine review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/2.htm)
GunBlast.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/8.htm)
TacticalShooter.com review (http://www.supersniper.com/Reviews/4.htm)

Or these customer testimonies. (http://www.supersniper.com/SuperSniperTestimonials.htm)

Or this recent post on OpticsTalk.com (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3273&PN=1)...SS10x42 / .308 / 1500yd testing

Or search for super sniper on:
SnipersHide.com (http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=19;hardset=0;start_point=0;DaysPrune=0), AR15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=18), SnipersParadise.com (http://snipersparadise.com), snipercountry.com (http://snipercountry.com/), etc.

Or ask the boys in uniform that bet their life on them daily. These are not cheap scopes, they are inexpensive scopes. We have them made and sell them direct to the public and the military. Before we took over the contract the scopes did sell for $800. - $900.

What do you think a Leupold scope cost Leupold to make? What if they did not have a huge staff, buildings, machinery, etc. to support and they just marked them up a little over cost.

Please provide me with hard facts that you base your opinions on. The Navy buying them to shoot mines is a good one. I speak from facts and hard evidence. We are a current military supplier and our product has an extremely good track record in combat.

Your attempt to discredit our product is taken very seriously. Take the time to educate your self by reading the reviews and testimonies....also note some of the names attached to these reviews and testimonies before you attempt to discredit them.

Have you ever even owned a Super Sniper scope?

Chris Farris
SWFA, Inc.

Mr. Farris,

You seem emotionally invested in this product and I guess that's understandable when your living depends on them.

Nothing I said substantially disagrees with the reviews you posted. They are full of praise, yes, but in the context of a $450 "mid-range" scope, just as I have stated. Maybe you should go back and read them yourself.

But the reviews do support what I have said in other respects. They seem to be reviews based on single-session or very limited use, public range comforts with no attempts to actually try to make the scope fail. What I meant above as "civilian" use. It is here that all scopes are more or less equal, you won't discover a scope's virtues or limitations until you use it (or review it) from an operational standpoint or from the perspective of a soldier. I did read one of them where the reviewer shot a "box" using elevation only (?)...

You say you've had great praise from soldiers and great success in combat. That's great. So, for the record, specifically what combat has the Tasco Super Sniper seen? It's a pretty general comment to say it's seen great success in combat. What Navy units are using them? About a year ago, I noticed a sailor standing at the bow on mine watch, he was holding an M-14 with a Super Sniper atop. Filed that one away as interesting. So if they're apparently NOT being used for mine clearance, who is using them and for what purpose? Why do militaries all over the world continue to spend thousands of dollars on Leupold, Schmidt&Bender, US Optics, Kahles, etc if the Super Sniper can do the same for 25 percent the cost? Probably because it's not intended to compete in that arena.

And no, I don't own one. I don't even own a Leupold, so I'm not making myself feel better about my purchase by referencing them either. For those that think ownership derives some sort of special, unique credibility, well, that's where you show your inexperience.

Again, never said the Super Sniper was "cheap". I've merely said there's a reason it costs $400, there's a reason Leupolds or US Optics units clear $2000. They are not in competition, totally different markets, totally different price points. And cheap asian labor isn't the only difference.

[RifleScopes.com]

Super Snipers lack the glass and coating quality of the more expensive units. The elevation and windage adjustments are not as durable or precise. They might be 1/4 or 1/2 MOA adjustments according to the manual, but they are NOT truly 1/4 or 1/2 MOA and each click is not precisely the same adjustment as the last and next. Because of this, they do not track like a Leupold or US Optics scope. Zero your super sniper at 200 or 300 yards, then shoot a tracking box making major up elevation, left windage, down elevation, right windage, up elevation, left windage, down elevation adjustments with 3 shots at each "corner". The idea is to shoot a large box and walk yourself around the perimeter until you get back precisely where you started, returning to the exact same zero setting according to the turrets. When you return to the original zero, your scope should put the rounds right where they started, but Super Snipers, you'll usually find, do not. And tracking just gets worse the more you use it.
These are comments only someone that has actually used one can make and they are very far from the truth. Every SS scope is built to mil-spec and is exactely "dead nuts" 1/4 moa per click. In fact the repeatability and dependability of the SS scopes are legendary and one its major selling points. You claim the adjustments get worse the more you use them yet you have never used one. This again is the farthest thing from the truth.





The Navy contract so often citing as a testament to Super Sniper quality is NOT for a sniper application, it is NOT a combat unit. The Navy had a need for a scoped rifle for mine clearance and more utilitarian duties. They could not justify the purchase of a $1000 or more unit because they simply do not need that level of quality or durability. For Navy use, these scopes are not dragged around in the mud, bumped around in helicopters and it is not of any vital importance that the scope retain zero in all possible conditions. With these Navy contract Tascos, lives are NOT intented to be entrusted. That's the difference.

More mis-information and lies. Did you just pull that out of your....hat? The contract was for hard combat use and still is today.





Super Snipers in civilian hands by and large are not used much. They are stored in soft rifle cases or gun safes, they get zeroed once in awhile and simply looked through thereafter during 50-100 round shooting sessions with relatively limited use of the windage and elevation turrets. Under these conditions, no one would notice where the extra $500-$1500 goes in buying a higher end unit, but there is a HUGE difference.

This comment is so out there, its ridiculous. You think you are omniscient.





They cost $400 and that's it's own argument-ending excuse for lacking precision, durability and consistency.

This comment pretty much sums up your mentality. "It can't be good if it don't cost a lot of money." All of your comments are false speculation and far fetched hypothesis at best.....based on ZERO facts.





You seem emotionally invested in this product and I guess that's understandable when your living depends on them.

My living does not depend on these scopes, again quit assuming.





They seem to be reviews based on single-session or very limited use, public range comforts with no attempts to actually try to make the scope fail. What I meant above as "civilian" use. It is here that all scopes are more or less equal, you won't discover a scope's virtues or limitations until you use it (or review it) from an operational standpoint or from the perspective of a soldier. I did read one of them where the reviewer shot a "box" using elevation only (?)...

You obviously did not read or comprehend the reviews. They are not limited, single session events at all. Which review shot a box test using elevation only?





I noticed a sailor standing at the bow on mine watch, he was holding an M-14 with a Super Sniper atop.
Well, now we know where you got your amusing comment about the contract from.....good to see it was based on facts not some casual observance. You can't just make stuff up like that as if it were fact. You have zero credibility and now your headed into negative credibility.



For those that think ownership derives some sort of special, unique credibility, well, that's where you show your inexperience.
What are you thinking? How else could you establish credibility? From reading magazines or possibly assuming that if it does not cost an arm and a leg it can't be a good product. I've told you why they don't retail for the same as a Leupold.



That's great. So, for the record, specifically what combat has the Tasco Super Sniper seen?
Just heard from Ft. Drum. 42nd Infantry and the 137th Long Range Survailance are back and have reported zero failures with their 200+ Super Sniper scope. Several snipers assigned to a General's personal security detachment recorded multible 500 yard + confirmed kills. The scopes and rifles have seen a solid year of war and are being re-issued to the next group heading out.........the 101st.

I've provided overwhelming evidence and facts to support my case. Now its your turn. Why are you making things up about the contract, use, repeatability, etc. What do you base your comments on?

[RifleScopes.com]

Here are a few photos I have permission to share. Do you have any idea what a belt fed does to a scope, how about a M14.....how abuot a M14 for over a year under war conditions?

http://www.opticstalk.com/photoserver/images/photos/2190.jpg
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[RifleScopes.com]

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Me and Li'l Bunny Foo Foo (my M-14) at our make shift desert range somewhere outside of FOB Bernstein during OIF II.

This particular day we had set up targets at 100m (to confirm zero) then 500, 600, 700 and 1300 (for s--ts and giggles). We had a 12 mph full value wind blowing right to left and it was getting unGodly hot, like it always did during the Iraqi summers.

After confirming my zero, I dialed in for 700 and proceeded to tag the "E" type silhouette. I was able to place all my shots into the target including a head shot that would've facilitated instant flaccid incapacitation.
Once I had rezeroed when we got in-country, my rifle held it's zero despite countless firing solutions and jarring rides in my HMMWV. The scope adjustments easily put me out to 1300 meters using 175 gr. M118LR. I wasn't able to consistantly hit at 1300 because the rifle was only a 2 MOA rifle (that's my story and I'm sticking with it), but the scope definitely had the come ups to take me there.

On another patrol, we were overwatching a target area and I wanted to test my range finding ability with the mil-dot reticle. We tested it against our LRAS3 (Long Range Advanced Scout Surveillance System--a high speed laser range finder). I sighted in on a "haji" and ranged him to approximately 650 meters out. The LRAS3 read 670. I then ranged on another "haji" further out and came up with 1100 meters. LRAS3 lased him at 1080 meters. Needless to say, I was very impressed with the mil-dot system on my scope.

Hugs and Kisses for a great product!!
SGT John "Brown Eye" Goden
Recon Scouts
HHC 1st BN 120th INF
30th Brigade Combat Team

[RifleScopes.com]

Here's a few of those shooters that don't use their SS and keep it in a case.
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Just returned from winning the Canadian Long Range Challenge and the Aggregate for the 21st Century, at the Canadian Fullbore Rifle Championships, with a (Super Sniper) SS20X42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42M/tasco_super_sniper_10x42.htm) scope purchased from SWFA. This is the second time that the SS20X42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS20X42/tasco_super_sniper_20x42.htm) has been used to win the CLRC and many of these scopes are now found in use for F Class competition in Canada/U.S. This scope is ideal for F Class use from the standpoint of ruggedness, elevation & windage range, and price. What more can be said. Thanks for a good product and standing behind same if trouble arises.
Bill Wylde, Greenup, Illinois

I've been doing a test of a SS against Leupold MarkIV since about this spring....The (Super Sniper) is worth every penny. They could have doubled the price and it would probably still be worth it. I have been away awhile doing some training and I ran into an old buddy. He does most of his work in places that don't exist, but he likes to call Virginia Beach home. A bunch of real polite boys down there do some shooting for the US Navy. Whoever said that the Navy contract was a lie should have checked with the SEALS first, they say it's a fine piece of equipment. I've put just under 2500 rounds through it. Through interpolation that translates to at least 500 different firing solutions. Repeatability is never off even a click. It's been in the mud and the crud, sand blasted, rained on, beat on and thanks to the wonder of elevation it got froze and sleeted solid with ice.
Carry on,
mike1alpha

So many times thru the years I have seen people think that if something is super expensive, it must be the best. I admit most of the time this is true. But, in the case of the Super Sniper series, it is NOT! I have a Leupold 10x40 tactical and my Super Sniper is as good and in some ways better. For example, the turrets on my Super Sniper are FAR superior, and they are far better than my Springfield 4-14x56, and my buddies USO SN-4! The SN-4 is a $1,400.00 dollar scope from the cheapest place I could find it! Out of all my scopes, the best optical quality are surprisingly enough my S&B and the Super Sniper! The SA and Leo are great, but not as good in all conditions as the other two. Now all you guys calling the SS a piece, you either haven’t seen one or used one because they are FAR from being that! If the thing was a piece I would not use it on duty! Also, the Navy Seals probably would not have replaced the M3 with it ....as they did! PS: I was a US Army Sniper for 8 years assigned to the 10th SF GP and used the M21 and the M40A1, I wish I had had a SS for the M21 as well as the M40! The issue scopes were great but times change and technology marches on!!!
I feel these test I did warrant the scope, at any price up to at least $1,000.00.
Sniper X

Dear SWFA:,
I ordered one of your SS16X42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm) Scopes about 2 years ago to put on my BIG .50 cal. I cant say enough about how pleased I am with the quality and performance of this scope. I use the windage and elevation turrets all the time and I have never lost my zero. This is more than I could say about a lot of scopes I have had in the past. This scope has enough MOA To take my .50 cal out to 2000yds with the use of a 20 MOA tapered base. I have hit a good number of targets at 1 mile away thanks to this scope, and that is a lot of clicking up and down. I am so happy with this scope that I plan to buy a SS10X42M (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42M/tasco_super_sniper_10x42.htm) for a custom Remington 700 in 300WSM that I have been working on. Thank you SWFA!
Jeremy H.

Who ever said there are no Super Sniper scopes on combat deployment does not know the guys in the deployment. Enough on he said she said crap. Pretending to know everything tends to reveal knowledge of nothing. I have 5 of these things, have yet to break one. One of mine has the finish worn away from dragging, has had over 3000 firing solutions put into it over the last 18 months, each with a return to zero at the end of it; has actually been submerged in salt water to a depth of 35 feet for an extended period...and used to shoot a ten round sub MOA group this last weekend at a measured 1000 yards. Maybe I'm not hard enough on these suckers to break one. Dunno.
Michael

I'm not sure why so many people are willing to pay huge sums of money for their optics when something like the Super Sniper is available. I have 2 of them, one in 16x and the other in 20x. They are awesome scopes, regardless of the price! I was at the range today and I was hitting targets in excess of 550 yards and the view was crystal clear. I have a lot of friends who insist on getting a 2nd mortgage to buy their scopes and they are NO BETTER THAN THE SUPER SNIPER. PERIOD. The glass in them is exceptional and their tracking is perfect. Save yourself the extra $400 (They are only $299 at SWFA.com) and use it to buy reloading equipment to turn your gun into a REAL tack driver! Then you can laugh at the guys who pay $700+ for the same quality just so they can have Leupold or Nightforce stamped on their scope.
Phil

Well Hello,
I can tell you from an infantry perspective at my division that a lot of other fellow soldiers and officers liked it so much they bought their own. It has received nothing but praise from all over the globe. The scope can compare to most scopes costing twice what this one cost and we have tested it on a lot of different rifles with not one problem. ... I consider it the best scope for the money and I cannot understand why anyone would not love it. .. No one I have let use it has ever complained.
Brian

I would like to let you and your customers know about the satisfaction and success I have had with my Super Sniper scopes. I use a 10x42-M (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42M/tasco_super_sniper_10x42.htm) (side-focus) Super Sniper on my H-S Precision .308 and the 16x42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm) on my Barrett M82A1.
The H-S Precision .308 and Super Sniper combination have assisted me to win the Top Shooter Award in both the H&K International Training Division and NRA Precision Law Enforcement Rifle/Sniper Instructor courses. The consistent performance of the scope and rifle have also allowed me to achieve high score in the Long Range (600 yard) portion of the Ft. Meade Counter-Sniper Team Competition that consisted of 40 military and police snipers from the U.S. and Canada.
As the owner of G P S, LLC., I operate the H-S Precision Sniper Program located in Arizona. At the beginning of every course we conduct our scope tracking drills to insure all our student's scopes will operate properly for the duration of our strenuous course. I am constantly amazed at the consistent tracking of the Super Sniper scope during these drills, unfortunately this same consistent performance is not realized by all of our students using various brands and models of scopes.
William Graves
Owner; G P S, LLC.
http://sniperschool.org
Director; H-S Precision Sniper Program • U.S. D.O.J., INS National Firearms Unit approved Instructor • AZ POST Approved Provider of Training • HK International Training Division - Precision Rifle/Sniper & Tactical Team/SWAT Instructor certifications • NRA - L.E. Precision Rifle/Sniper Instructor & L.E. Tactical Firearms Shooting Instructor certifications • Front Sight Firearms Training Institute - Precision Rifle, Handgun, Sub-gun, Tactical Simulator Instructor

The 10X SUPER SNIPER® (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS10X42/tasco_super_sniper_10x42.htm) is still working great after 2000 rounds. This May, I met several other shooters in Wyoming for a 5 day prairie dog shoot. When I returned home, I took a trip to the range to clean rifles and check zeros. Out of three brands, the S.S. was the ONLY one to still be zeroed, and this after clicking up and down, side to side for 5 days of shooting. And it was the least expensive scope of the bunch. I have since purchased and mounted a 16X S.S. (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm) on a very well made custom rifle. Do whatever it takes, just keep this scope in the market. It's the best kept secret in optics today.
Thanks,
Clint Starke, Starke Bullet Company

I want to say that up until I started this I had never owned a Super Sniper scope. What I did not like on the scopes that other people had was the windage and elevation adjustments. They felt soft to me not crisp as in the M4s. I can say that in the Super Sniper scope I purchased the windage and elevation adjustments were very crisp and felt comparable to the M4’s.
One of the biggest problems I had always heard about the Tasco, now SWFA, Super Sniper scopes was the lack of zero retention/repeatability of the scope. So after getting one of Super Sniper scopes I decided to run my own half-baked test.
The scope I purchased was an SS16x42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm), 30mm, Mil-Dot, rear parallax adjustment scope. Scope came in a plain white box that did not reference the manufacturer. The fit and finish on the scope was excellent. The scope is heavy and feels very solid. Optical clarity was good. Will the scope tube stand up to parking a F150 on it? Who knows, that wasn’t what I was looking at here.
I decided to test this scope on three rifles/ammo that I had handy. Here’s what I used and in what order:

Rifle: Remington 700P LTR with badger base and rings
Ammo: FGMM, .308, 168 gn
Rifle: Remington 700P with badger base and rings
Ammo: FGMM, .300 win mag, 190 gn
Rifle: Springfield Armory M1A with Arms 18 mount and Arms 22 QD rings
Ammo: Australian surplus, .308, 146 gnRoutine:
100 yards- 10 rounds200 yards- 10 rounds100 yards- 10 rounds300 yards- 10 rounds100 yards- 10 rounds400 yards- 10 rounds100 yards- 10 rounds500 yards- 10 rounds100 yards- 10 rounds600 yards- 10 rounds100 yards- 10 rounds
First off when I installed the scope on each rifle I bore sighted the scope, then proceeded to live fire zero at 100 yards. After zeroing a given rifle I proceeded with my “testing”. All firing was done from either a bench or ****e position and over a period of 5 months, 2 weeks.
For rifle #1 I did the routine 5 times (550 rounds)
For rifle #2 I did the routine 5 times (550 rounds)
For rifle #3 I did the routine 6 times (3300 rounds)
What were the results? After putting 4400+ rounds downrange with this scope I did not have any noticeable loss of zero or repeatability. The windage and elevation adjustments are still crisp. For my needs I am satisfied with this scope. The scope could last another 5000 rounds or could fail tomorrow, but can’t you say that about anything? Would I trade this scope for one of my MK4's? No, I would not. They are two totally different classes of scopes. But I would not disregard one of these scopes out of hand now.
Respects,
David Herzog

I am a former marine (0311) who has spent some time behind all three marine corps issue scoped rifles (M40, DMR, SASR). First as a DM in security forces company Bahrain (98-2000) and as a member of the scout sniper platoon in third marines (2000-2002). I am currently employed as a corrections officer at the local county correctional center as a shift corporal, CERT team leader and assistant director of corrections training. In my off time from the S.O. Anyway, to the point...
A few weeks ago I decided to put together a Remington 700P in 308. I looked at just about every tactical scope on the market, including Nikon, Leupold, S&B, and NXS. I was about to order a Leupold MK4 PR 4.5-15x40, but it was out of stock at all three distributors we deal with. In passing conversation, I mentioned my plan to the man who has a shop next to us. That is when I learned about SWFA's SS scopes. I had never heard about them, but after reading a report on the web site www.snipercountry.com (http://www.riflescopes.com/www.snipercountry.com), I said what the hell. I ordered the SS 16x42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm) with ARD.
I took the gun to the range today. The scope is great! It is, in my opinion, better than all of the scopes I looked at priced less than $1000. After zeroing the scope at 100 yards I shot a 5 shot group at less then .5 MOA.
I am a firm believer in optic quality; I tell my customers "you can't shoot what you can't see."
I can see for days with the Super Sniper 16x42 (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm).
Thanks for a great scope at a even greater price.
Thanks,
Jason R.

I'm leaving on the 25th to teach our fall sniper school on the other side of the state, and not only will I be showing off the SS, but I'll be proudly wearing the new hat for the week as well. I'm gonna have my team nickname embroidered on the back like I do all my other "Sniper" hats, which I'm sure will once again bring on the usual barrage of questions.
At the last class, one of my students' rifles went down, so he finished the school using my custom M24 with a 16x42 SS (http://www.riflescopes.com/products/SS16X42/tasco_super_sniper_16x42.htm) aboard. He LOVED it. I got an email from him about two weeks later, and he'd bought one for himself. I did a long range 1K demo for the students half way through the class, using my main tactical rig, and the M24 on the heels of that. As far as shot placement, and repeatability, they are neck and neck. 900 meter head shots with both rifles opened some eyes, especially for the other instructors. My primary sniper rifle has a thousand dollar plus Leupold on top that my department paid for, and the 300 dollar SS I have will run with it all day long. For the money, I don't think you can beat it, and I tell at least 20 guys that at every school I teach.
I have no idea how many of those things I've sold for you guys.
Anyway, thanks again for helping us out with great products at great prices. You guys are the best.
Take care, and thanks again.
Your loyal fan,
JB

[dangerdan87]

homeinvader: You sound like your just an armchair commando whos probably 12 years old and jerks off to pictures in Soldier of Fortune magazine.....

And there was some talk about US Optics.....Dont buy a USO scope. Why?
Read this:


I don't think Unertl and U.S. Optics get along very well. The below time line was copied and pasted from Unertloptics.com



Unertl Optical Company, Inc., through it parent corporation at the time, filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit against John Williams, U. S. Optics, Zeitz Optics, et al to prevent them from advertising Unertl products for sale.



Unertl Optical Company, Inc. obtained a Permanent Injunction against U. S. Optics, John Williams and his various aliases, prohibiting them from, among other things, advertising using Unertl products and claiming that John Williams is a doctor.



Unertl Optical Company, Inc., through its parent corporation at the time, obtained a money Judgment against U. S. Optics, John Williams, et al.



CONGRATULATIONS to ArmaLite, Inc. and Mark Westrom on obtaining a judgment against John Williams, U.S. Optics, Inc., et al for $369,457.60



It seems that all topics on MP.net get off topic... :p

[RifleScopes.com]

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[Beckett]

all of this over a ****in scope wow:bash:

[akmarksman]

I have used Loopys(nice) and I prefer using Nightforce scopes with the Horus setup..
made a cold shot out to 1,200 yds..center hit..right where I aimed.
I used the Unertls a couple of times...those are nice glass..expensive thou..

[homeinvader]

Yep, all this over a scope.

I'm actually 16, not 12. The only combat I've seen is ESPN paintball. Never fired a weapon before. You guys got my number.

But seriously. Great photos. I'll give you that they are being used by non-Navy personnel, thanks for the education. But none of them are snipers, sorry. In all cases the weapons they are mounted on are not capable of precision fire. In all cases, the weapons shown cannot actually show the lesser COMPARATIVES of the SS, I mean as compared to higher-end glass. M240, M16, and yes, even a straight up M-14. You have a GPMG and 2 service rifles, none of which can fire with enough precision to isolate the glass. Again, "inexpensive" scopes purchased for/by units (or purchased by individual soldiers) who just have no mission requirement for high-end glass.

You are taking great offense to something I never said. I never said it was "cheap." I never even said it was of poor quality on its own. What I said is it's a $400-$450 scope and has the qualities and capabilities expectant and commensurate. What I said is it does not compare to higher-end optics. And at every turn I excuse it for that as it's not priced to compare, it's not marketed to compare, it's not manufactured to compare. This scope was created and funded to fill a niche not filled adequately by other manufacturers, that of having tactical scope features at a hunting scope price.

And as far as assuming goes, YOU are assuming I have no experience with the SS. Again, I never said that. I said I don't own one. There are a lot of things I don't own, but as you say, don't make further assumptions.

[RifleScopes.com]

You are taking great offense to something I never said.
Let's see here, guess I need to quote you again.



"lack the glass and coating quality"

"adjustments are not as durable or precise"

"NOT truly 1/4 or 1/2 MOA and each click is not precisely the same adjustment as the last and next"

"When you return to the original zero, your scope should put the rounds right where they started, but Super Snipers, you'll usually find, do not. And tracking just gets worse the more you use it."
NO, I'm taking great offense to your out right lies and b.s. You can't just make things up and present them as fact. It's painfully obvious to anyone that has read your comments that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Pretty easy to call you out because your lies are so outrageous and unsubstantiated. I assume by now that you are not going to answer my questions as to what you base your ludicrous statements on. We take our product very seriously and will not stand for some kid to discredit us or our product to feed his ego. Slander someone else or some other product. You won't win this one. Keep back peddling all you want and dodging the questions......you've become one of our best salespersons (and I don't have to pay you).

[StukaJr]

And as far as assuming goes, YOU are assuming I have no experience with the SS. Again, I never said that. I said I don't own one. There are a lot of things I don't own, but as you say, don't make further assumptions.

Nobody assumes anything - you've just said yourself that you have not fired the weapon before therefore cannot have experience with the glass. You contradict yourself not a paragraph later:



I'm actually 16, not 12. The only combat I've seen is ESPN paintball. Never fired a weapon before. You guys got my number.


You can't really have experience with a scope if you've never fired a weapon, have you?

MP.net welcomes the opinions and reviews of the gear and equipment - however, this forum is not the place to post false information in regards to something you have no personal experience with. If you are repeating the information you have acquired 3rd source - do present the information as such and provide the original source.

[Beckett]

id like to try one of those scopes you guys are talking about, sound good enough for the casual killer lol. what scope do the stick on the M24? that day night basterd?

[dangerdan87]

what scope do the stick on the M24? that day night basterd?

Leupold Mark4 10x40 (or is it 3.5-10x40?) illuminated LR/T and the AN/PVS-10 (I think thats the designation of it).

[Beckett]

thanks man.

[ABNINF]

There's 2 versions of the M3, I think. The fixed 10x40, and the 3.5-10x40. My experience is with the fixed 10X.