What do you guys think about Religion?

I personally think it's all bull ****. I think people who really believe in religion have a neurological disorder. I mean, how can people living now justify how the world was created and how it is when you die?

No flame wars plz, just want everyones opinion

[budanski]

You think religious folks have a "neurological disorder" for believing in god yet you expect no flame war?

Nothing to see here...

[mocking_loudly_died]

It's generally corrupted and used as a tool to manipulate the masses, I personally have no time for it and often go at great pains to offend every one of all faiths equally.

You think religious folks have a "neurological disorder" for believing in god yet you expect no flame war?

Nothing to see here...

god is not a religion

[budanski]

Being that I'm a former alter boy, you could say that I have a "neurological disorder". :|

[martinexsquaddie]

if you really want a good excuse for mass murder religion does it every time
IF a "god" is out there he's a bit of a bastard
so god if your listening **** YOU
THAT FELT BETTER :lol:

[Tengu]

They have their god and jebus. I have my elves, goblins and aliens and they lock ME up :| .

In other worlds; It sucks!

[stuntman]

I personally think it's all bull ****. I think people who really believe in religion have a neurological disorder. I mean, how can people living now justify how the world was created and how it is when you die?

No flame wars plz, just want everyones opinion

I like religion I gained lots of value from it. I think religion has put me on a path of goodness for the most part. But religion becomes a problem when ever people use it for **** matching then it's understandible why people hate it. Don't blame religion, blame the mindless f*cks who use it to hurt or oppress! It's funny how people or someone said "religion is like to kids fighting over who's imaginary friend is better" and godless people find there truth in that. But how about when we argue over , whos military is better? But its funny how at the end of the day we all agree godless or godfearing how important the sacrifice soldiers give from no matter what country they are from. And yet people think Militaries are useless but we know this is utter madness for with out militaries they be no protection (when used correctlyjust like religion) from our enemies.
If my points not clear blame the 7 jack and cokes I had last night!
CHOIW!
And also quick question, Have you ever loved any one? (Mom, Dad, bro sister, girl, man) and if so prove it! Love feels pretty real to me but can you prove other wise? You can feel love but you know that its there but there's no proof it even exist so thats religion or the believe in a God for the non believers.http://www.lfod.com/images/clothing/godless.JPG

[Tengu]

You can feel love but you know that its there but there's no proof it even exist They can proof love these days. Your brain reacts in a certain way when you see your lover (they can see it when they scan you during the proces).

And btw that pic is pretty funny rofl . Europe is becomming more and more atheist and we still have freedom ;) .

[OnTheRocks]

can I get an AMEN!?

http://www.apuritansmind.com/images/TShirts/preacher%20repent.jpg

[OnTheRocks]

Found this article over at:http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0802/toilet.html rofl


Don't Get Caught On The Toilet When Jesus Comes Back!

BY LANDOVER LADY: JUDY O'CHRISTIAN


True Christian® friends, we know that Jesus is only moments away from making His appearance here on Earth. When He finally shows up, He will not be sharing His unconditional love with any liberal, Boodist, demoncrat, Mary Worshipper, or any other unsaved person. They will be discarded like trash and shipped off to be dumped into the lake of fire where they will burn forever. Our Lord will wonderfully and gloriously destroy every single unsaved person on this so-called "Planet Earth." Praise His name! And thank God for the unconditional love He shares with everyone who does exactly what He says.

Friends, I just want to make sure that you realize if you are sitting on the toilet when Jesus comes back, and His sweet face peeks into the bathroom, to find you there, He could turn His back on you forever! What an UNGODLY position to be in! Jesus ain't gonna rapture anyone with their pants hanging down by their ankles. Shame on you! He is not coming back to endure the evil smells you make in the bathroom either! Jesus will NOT tolerate the stink of your asparagus-tainted urine, nor will His heavenly nostrils bear the scent of your stools! He shouldn't have to! He is our creator and He knows ALL! He knows when you are sleeping, He knows when you're awake, and He watches you while you sit on the potty reading Christian newspapers and stinking up the whole house! He will NOT interrupt you on the toilet! And that's something you should think about before ever sitting down on one! Furthermore, if you are a teenager, I want to ask you a question. Do you think Jesus doesn't care what you are doing while you are sitting on the toilet? Not only does He care, He cares enough to put a little check mark in His book whenever He sees you touch your tallywacker! Don't ever waste your time trying to explain things to Jesus, you little sissy! You'll just give Him a big old belly laugh! All True Christians® know that if a boy touches himself, even in the shower, he is a homosexural. So just shut up about it and accept the fact that you are going to burn in HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY! "Fantasizing" about the "body parts" of female sluts is never an excuse! Since a boy is touching a male unmentionable member, that makes him HOMOSEXURAL! That is why a man who touches his devil snake while urinating is damned to an everlasting Hell. Some lazy housewives complain about the mess when their husband doesn't guide his privates while eliminating liquid waste, but I would much rather have to sponge off a plastic toilet seat or silk flower arrangement over the tank four times a day than spend eternity without my Christian husband in Glory.

Jesus is not going to accept any silly excuses. He is not a liberal, nor is He a scientist or modern doctor! He is the Son of God, and his favorite remedy for curing everything is to burn everyone who doesn't do exactly what He commands, IN HELL. Dear Friends, Jesus is no respector of sin. Whether it's masturbating, fornicating, voting democratic in a national election, or even murdering someone, it's all the same in the eyes of God! Although, I believe that it sickens Him to have to sit up in Heaven all day watching young boys masturbate, our Lord has seen it all.

So let's not get caught on the devil's johnny when the Lord comes a' callin' friends! I really believe the only way to assure salvation while you are sitting on the toilet is if your bottom is planted firmly into one of my Rapture Ready Toilet® seats ($2,489.00 Sears Model). My Rapture Ready Toilet® (featuring "The Target," Hillary Clinton's face handpainted inside the bowl), was created by Christians FOR Christians! Not only does it have a stink proofer, so Jesus doesn't have to smell your sin deposits, but it also has an anti-masturbation mechanism, a giant picture of Jesus, a Bible rest, a stereo hooked up to Pastor's best sermons, and a self wiper! If you can't afford a Rapture Ready Toilet®, my advice (and this does not guarantee that you will be raptured) is to wear an adult diaper and keep a can of Glade nearby to hide the smell! I suggest that you wear that diaper to work, to school, to your seat in Congress (the White House has already implemented this solution to assure their ascendency to Heaven; GW Bush and Cheney love wearing their adult diapers and report extra "freedom" to perform their tasks). Even Ari Fleisher, the Jew, who insists he will wait until the very last minute to accept Jesus and stop being an unsaved Jew, is wearing Depends®. True Christians across the nation are dutifully following their example. Praise God! But I still suggest you purchase one of my toilets, just in case.

As a final word of caution, all True Christians®, take note! You will only join me and Jesus in Heaven if you stay away from the toilet and all its dirty business as much as Christianly possible. Even if it means holding it in for days on end! For the Lord tells us -- He will appear like a thief in the night! No one knows the day or the hour! Don't get caught with your trousers down by your ankles! Oh Heavens No! I couldn't bear the thought! Please show Jesus that you are a True Christian® Republican who doesn't lower himself and "go to the bathroom." I pray for you to be stench-less and worthy of entering the House of the Lord, where the only smell will be the sweet scent of the precious blood of Jesus!

[hank]

I personally think it's all bull ****. I think people who really believe in religion have a neurological disorder. I mean, how can people living now justify how the world was created and how it is when you die?

No flame wars plz, just want everyones opinion

This is just a suggestion, but if you REALLY want to avoid flame wars then try not to antagonize the people whose opinion you seek.

I mean if I said anybody who wants in the Corps has a "neurological disordere" but tell me what you think, what response can I expect from you? Just a thought.

As for your topic - to each his won. Religion works for me and I would not want to be deprived. But I also understand that it is not for everybody b/c there have bee ntimes in my life when I shrugged off the church.

I think maybe you misstated your question b/c the facts you give at the end seem to be geared towards accepting a higher power. Don;t confuse the two - God exists exclusive of organized religion and SOME religions exist exclusive of God.

As far as a higher power goes - even in the times when I shunned the chruch I still accepted a higher power.

hank

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Do not believe in God or any other higher being. quite comfortable with this attitude.

[Argyll]

^
What he said

[Maine Finn]

"There's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole."

[Vance]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.

[Haiw]

The only thing I believe in is myself, so I'm a religious egocentrist ;)

[Argyll]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.



;)

[Haiw]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.



Now, lets see the reaction to this...
http://www.littletikecentral.com/images/fire-flames-large.jpg

[Argyll]

"There's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole."



Try telling that to a male fox!!!

[Maine Finn]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.



Now, lets see the reaction to this...
http://www.littletikecentral.com/images/fire-flames-large.jpg

yay FIRE.
woot

[Vance]

I love fire. :D

[Argyll]

Yes you can cook with it...........bloody clever eh?

[hank]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.

Thanks Vance - I'll be sure and put that in my application for the Bar when I become a lawyer after I graduate lawschool.

By the way, how is the 10th grade going for you?

Brain dead? You might change your mind and decide to pray - if I ever sue your retarded ass. Then only God culd save you.

This is going to get out of hand.

hank

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

"There's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole." Having watched a friend being dragged over the side of a boat and under by 2.5 tonnes of fishing gear after a shackle snapped I did not thank god that I was one of that got out of the way quicker I just made sure that did not happen again. The friend who popped up with nothing more than bruises and belly full of seawater was more concerned that he had lost is glasses, he said that when he found up and started to kick to the surface his main concern was not opening his mouth.

[Vance]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.

Thanks Vance - I'll be sure and put that in my application for the Bar when I become a lawyer after I graduate lawschool.

By the way, how is the 10th grade going for you?

Brain dead? You might change your mind and decide to pray - if I ever sue your retarded ass. Then only God culd save you.

This is going to get out of hand.

hank
First off, it's 11th grade damnit. I passed 10th grade easy. Second of all my post was only to see if any non-believer got mad at me for posting something similar to what the N-B said about us.

So tell me hank, did I get you?

[jokiemastah]

But its funny how at the end of the day we all agree godless or godfearing how important the sacrifice soldiers give from no matter what country they are from.

BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are saying a Nazi who gave his life for his country is just as good as a revolutionary war American soldier who gave his life fighting for freedom. Where does that make sense?

[Maine Finn]

But its funny how at the end of the day we all agree godless or godfearing how important the sacrifice soldiers give from no matter what country they are from.

BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are saying a Nazi who gave his life for his country is just as good as a revolutionary war American soldier who gave his life fighting for freedom. Where does that make sense?

It's a matter of ideals. Soldiers die for their countries because they are in a situation where they are fighting for what they believe in. Be it freedom or what have you.

Does that make sense?

[Argyll]

One day a nun was fishing and caught a huge,strange looking fish. A man was walking by and said,"WOW" What a nice Gauddam Fish.

The sister said,"Sir,you shouldn't use God's name in vain." The man said, "But that's the SPECIES of the fish---a Gauddam Fish." The sister said,"Oh, ok."

The sister took the fish back home and said,"Mother Superior, look at the Gauddam Fish I caught."
Shocked,the Mother Superior said,"Sister,you know better than that."The nun said,"That's the SPECIES of it----a Gauddam Fish." "Well give me the Gauddam Fish and I'll clean it."

While she was cleaning the fish, Monsignor walked in and Mother Superior said,"Monsignor,look at the Gauddam Fish that the sister caught." Nearly fainting, Monsinor said,"Mother Superior,you shouldn't talk like that!"

Mother Superior said, "But that's the SPECIES of it--- a Gauddam Fish." Monsignor said,"Well give me the Gauddam Fish and I'll cook it."

That evening at supper there was a new priest at the table,and he said,"WOW, what a nice fish." In reply,the sister said,"Thank-You, I caught the Gauddam Fish."And Mother Superior said"I cleaned the Gauddam Fish."And Monsignor said,"I cooked the Gauddam Fish."

The Priest looked around in disbelief,quite shocked and said....

"I LIKE THIS F***ING PLACE ALREADY!"

[Ratamacue]

Religion was created simply to explain anything unexplainable. I control my own fate.

[Dennis G]

Religion is a hard thing to explain and why are talking about it again we already had this topic. To me religion is like searching a dark room for a black cat that isn’t even there. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. Well said Dennis G could not have put it over any better. woot

[cut]

But its funny how at the end of the day we all agree godless or godfearing how important the sacrifice soldiers give from no matter what country they are from.

BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are saying a Nazi who gave his life for his country is just as good as a revolutionary war American soldier who gave his life fighting for freedom. Where does that make sense?

hell yes both enemies of the crown

[Maine Finn]

But its funny how at the end of the day we all agree godless or godfearing how important the sacrifice soldiers give from no matter what country they are from.

BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are saying a Nazi who gave his life for his country is just as good as a revolutionary war American soldier who gave his life fighting for freedom. Where does that make sense?

hell yes both enemies of the crown

rofl

This is true.

Religion is a hard thing to explain and why are talking about it again we already had this topic. To me religion is like searching a dark room for a black cat that isn’t even there. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help.

I would've said that but I'm not such a good linquist :lol:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I would've said that but I'm not such a good linquist :lol: Yeah Dennis G is a cunning linquist.

[Herrmannek]

Religion is a hard thing to explain and why are talking about it again we already had this topic. To me religion is like searching a dark room for a black cat that isn’t even there. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help.


What fucckin unknown...If the god doesn't exist we all know what will be: fucckin case closed, finito, schluz, FUBAR, end...

[Beowulf]

You all need to tread lightly and try to be a bit more respectful. If you believe in something, fine. If not fine as well. But I won't stand for broad negative generalizations.

[Sleeping Sun]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.

rofl that's rich...

I'm an atheist.

I have to admit, those who "invented" religions like christianity are geniuses. They found a way to control huge masses of people and make them do the craziest things you can imagine.
There's also a lot of hypocriteness involved in the the modern way of "believing". For example, governments around the christian world spend huge ammounts of money trying to figure out how life started in the first place. And at the same time they should believe that the first people were homo sapiens just like we are and created by god in a blink of an eye and not by evolution of millions of years.

There's also the question of the christian god being the only real god. What I mean by that is that on another discussion board one guy tryid to prove the existance of god by saying- Why would people write thousands of pages if god wasn't real.
Well e.g., the egyptians built the pyramids so the pharaos must have been real gods also.
The native american indians (not sure which tribe) sacrifaced young boys by tearing their hearts out of their chests while they were still alive so their god, The Sun, would rise the next day. That means their god must have been real too.
I don't know how many religions there are or have been, but what makes christianity the only right religion and all the others just nonsense...


Conclusion: The bible was written in the time when people thought the earth was flat. They thought that diseases were a gods punishment. They were just ignorant. Try to forgive them...

aaargghh.... I'm tired... tired of explaining... sorry for any typos :lol: ... gotta go to bed...

[Maine Finn]

I don't practise religion, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in God. I pray every now and then (probably not often enough) when somebody close to me is in a bad way. I don't make a habit of praying for myself, as I find that to be pointless. I make things about myself often enough publicly, why bother to carry that over to a private setting?

That said, I definitely pray whenever I'm suddenly in a dangerous situation, like the tight spot I got into last year on the Penobscot River. I dumped out of my canoe in the process of making a rescue of another swimmer and got pinned between my boat and rock. It was just before a rapid, so the water was pushing fairly hard. I was lucky to have the gunwhale hit my lifejacket instead of two inches lower. It could have bruised, if not broken, a rib or two otherwise. I can tell you, that was the scariest thirty seconds of my life.

So, yeah, I believe in God.

[California Joe]

I am the God of Hellfire.

[Argyll]

I am the God of Hellfire.


Joe's an AH64 D Pilot!!! ;)

[California Joe]

Could beeeeeeeeeee.

Anyone know the name of the band that sang that?

[Argyll]

Jericho ?

[California Joe]

Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Fire is the name of the song.

[hank]

People who don't believe in God are a bunch of idiotic brain dead people.

Thanks Vance - I'll be sure and put that in my application for the Bar when I become a lawyer after I graduate lawschool.

By the way, how is the 10th grade going for you?

Brain dead? You might change your mind and decide to pray - if I ever sue your retarded ass. Then only God culd save you.

This is going to get out of hand.

hank
First off, it's 11th grade damnit. I passed 10th grade easy. Second of all my post was only to see if any non-believer got mad at me for posting something similar to what the N-B said about us.

So tell me hank, did I get you?

No - I ain't mad - if you had been serious then pity would have been a more appropriate emotion - but since you were kidding I would say amused is most appropriate. :D

hank

[Tane Angle]

I'm very wary of extremism, and skeptical of anything that calls itself fundamentalism; after all, I am unaware of any religion on Earth today that truly attempts to follow its roots. For example, there was no early Church for Christians to revert to, it was much less organized and regimented.

The fact that most religions around the world, even though they developed seperately, have strikingly similar tenets says something. For example, few religions were in favor of killing one's fellow villagers (though some have condoned killing the guy across the river).

We're not the only species on Earth to develop religion; you can take that as you will. Neandertals did believe in an afterlife and apparently a "higher being."

In NY, there are about five evangelists on every street corner of Manhattan. Telling someone that he or she is wrong for not believing in God isn't real cool; neither is telling someone that he or is she is wrong for believing in God.

I'd say that if religion helps you get through the day, go for it. And if it hurts you, well there are plenty of great people who simply didn't partake in weekly ceremonies.

There is a difference between religion and God, just as there is a difference between being religious and being good. I ca't prove whether or not God exists, but I guess I'll say this: I've seen somethings in life that I can't describe as anything else but a miracle. The first five are my wife and four children.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[hank]

Religion was created simply to explain anything unexplainable. I control my own fate.

that is one way of looking at it - but how do you explain random acts like traffic wrecks beyond your control - do you control that?

Also - simplifying something as complex as religion as you have is dangerous. Religion is many things to many people. To assume out of hand that b/c this definition fits you that it is necessarily correct is not really a great outlook.

Not to say that you can't have this opinion - but dismissing other's motivations as simply an unexplainable explanation certainly overlooks my ideas about religion.

hank

[Ratamacue]

Religion was created simply to explain anything unexplainable. I control my own fate.

that is one way of looking at it - but how do you explain random acts like traffic wrecks beyond your control - do you control that?

Yeah, I do. I get into a car and go driving, eventually leading into a traffic accident. Simply enough, I could have not gone driving and I wouldn't have been in an accident.

My whole point is that religion was originally created to explain what people could not. I'm not necessarily saying that people's beliefs are wrong. Prophets documented their experiences to help explain what people could not figure out regardless of whether they really had connections to God or whether they were hallucinagenic psychos or plain old liars. And honestly, I don't have a real problem with religion until it gets to the point that people manipulate to serve an agenda...or try to convert me. Don't shove it down my throat and I'll try to return the favor.

[Haiw]

Religion was created simply to explain anything unexplainable. I control my own fate.

that is one way of looking at it - but how do you explain random acts like traffic wrecks beyond your control - do you control that?
What he meant was that you're in control of your own actions. So for example you decide whether or not you take that car...and then of course there's the actions of OTHERS or the forces of nature, or pure chance that add to that. So for example another driver is drunk at the wheel and hits you, or you get caught by surprise by the weather, or some car leaked oil on the road leading to a car crash.

Oh and Tane Angle, that's not 5 miracles, that's just love. ;) A miracle is something that has totally no explanation, not something that's the best thing in your life, however great it might be. Or that's just what I think of it. :)

[hank]

Well - i disagree about the control - if you stayed home instead of driving its not b/c you know the wreck will happen and even if you did a tree could fall on your living room and kill you. Point is - non of us have control of very much.

I agree on the forcing part - I ain't trying to win converts.

But dismissing religion as simply an explanation of the unexplainable misses a fundamental goal for many religious people. If that is not something you want to understand then so be it. But don't think that your explanation explains everything b/c I represent an exception to your hypothesis - and if there is an exception then by definition the hypothesis fails.

hank

[Tane Angle]

By the way...even if there was nothing but base energy and subatomic particles out there...does it matter? I'm not sure that it does. Let people believe what they want to, and let's shy away from massacring others simply because they go to a different church than us.

[Ratamacue]

I'm not talking about the goals of religion. I'm talking about the original reason. I realize that one of the fundamental goals is to live a good life and be a good person. Is that what you were getting at? I respect that if so, but you really don't need religion to do that.

And it's true that we don't have very much control over anything, but that's because we can only do actions ourselves. We can influence others' actions or the actions of nature, but we can't put full control over it because everything decides its own fate. A plant controls its intake of nutrients, light, water, air, etc. A person decides to get into a car to drive to the grocery store to pick up some milk. Another person decides to get drunk then gets in a car to drive home, in process killing the person that was going to get milk. This is because of the actions of individuals, not the determination of a God.

[hank]

I'm not talking about the goals of religion. I'm talking about the original reason. I realize that one of the fundamental goals is to live a good life and be a good person. Is that what you were getting at? I respect that if so, but you really don't need religion to do that.

And it's true that we don't have very much control over anything, but that's because we can only do actions ourselves. We can influence others' actions or the actions of nature, but we can't put full control over it because everything decides its own fate. A plant controls its intake of nutrients, light, water, air, etc. A person decides to get into a car to drive to the grocery store to pick up some milk. Another person decides to get drunk then gets in a car to drive home, in process killing the person that was going to get milk. This is because of the actions of individuals, not the determination of a God.

Well rat, I mean we aren't gpoing to get anywhere with this. the idea you mention about "good life and good person" has a name. Its called humanism - some of the scariest people who have everlived on this planet - Hitler, Pol Pot - and more importantly the people who followed them - were humanists by definition. You will disagree I am sure and that is cool.

But at a base level you are dismissing something you don't understand for a reason that is not founded in reality. If that is what you want - then cool - I won't even dismiss you in turn. I wish you well on the journey.

But you are dismissing religion for those reasons.

Influence, control - whatever - the fact is there are forces at play that we don't control or understand. I don't turn to God to explain what I don't understand. If you think that I do - or that all who did originally - then I submit you miss the point. Again, its ok if that is what you think - but don't expect religious people to read what you wrote and just roll on with it.

Read my post to Vance and think about that - then read my response and maybe you'll see what I'm talkin about.

I don't blindly follow anybody - especially the Pope or a President. When I don't understand something - I work to understand it. If not possible then I move on. But this idea that a necessry motivation for religion is explainging the unexplainable is not universally true now and was not universally true for all religion's origin.

I mean - when you use the term religion as braodly as this thread does you need to understand that you lump Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Druids, Satanists, etc. all in one pot. Thats hard to do even if you have really thought it out. But to not really think it out and dismiss it all as explainging the unexplainable is kind of irresponsible - not that you can't do it - but if you do then expect a response.

hank

[California Joe]

Tane once described himself as a Humanist on this board.

Definitions are a bitch, always changing or being misinterpreted. Liberal in the classic Greek sence is about the best thing man could aspire to. Don't tell Sean Hannity his head might f*cking explode.

I have nipples Greg, could you milk me?

[Ratamacue]

I think we can agree to disagree. There's alot I don't understand about religion in general as I was never raised as a religious person. I've been to exactly one sermon and that was for my aunt's wedding. I'm just stating the way I see things with religion. As I said, it really doesn't matter to me as long as people don't try to bother me with it.

Anyway, I think I'll resign from this topic for now, leave the discussion to the professionals. :)

[Salty Dog]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.

[Vance]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

[memphiz]

i believe i am my own god, if god was real. reasons why:
1] i can create life
2] i can take life
3] i could become a scientist and create new forms of life
4] i can destroy them ^ :D
5] i could have *** with an animal, create another new form of life
6] i could kill it^
7] i could inbreed
8] i can destroy my inbread creation

and so on

[hank]

I think we can agree to disagree. There's alot I don't understand about religion in general as I was never raised as a religious person. I've been to exactly one sermon and that was for my aunt's wedding. I'm just stating the way I see things with religion. As I said, it really doesn't matter to me as long as people don't try to bother me with it.

Anyway, I think I'll resign from this topic for now, leave the discussion to the professionals. :)

True enough. Let's not forget that too much of anything is bad. Moderation is a great quality - even when it comes to religion. Humanism for Tane or CJ or maybe even me would be, and often is, OK b/c of moderation. But lack of religion, to the extreme is often far worse than religion to extreme. Lots of South American Indians dies b/c the Catholics had to 'save' them. Lots of Jews dies in WWII b/c Hitler saw his mosfortune as the product of Judaism. Both are nonsensical in their extreme positions - both were destructive.

hank

[Salty Dog]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

i should come to your church and smash heads. for no reason what so ever. :P

[hank]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

That is a great point - if hate is a part of a religion then I submit it is not the religion - but the people that are the problem.

Look at the Ctholic church/pedophilia problem. The problem is not the religion - but the pedophilic priests and the lying bishops - not the religion itself. Anybody who confuses that distinction will not really care for religion much - but if you understand the distinction then religion can be OK.

I mean - all catholics - myself included - bear some repsonsibility for this current tragedy - but Catholicism to blame? I think not - b/c what is Catholicism if not a group of people?

hank

[hank]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

i should come to your church and smash heads. for no reason what so ever. :P

Well then religion is the least of your worries. By the way, try out your idea at All Saints Parrish in Knoxville, TN tomorrow morning around 10:00 EST if you're in the mood. I think it would be fun.

hank

[Salty Dog]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

That is a great point - if hate is a part of a religion then I submit it is not the religion - but the people that are the problem.

Look at the Ctholic church/pedophilia problem. The problem is not the religion - but the pedophilic priests and the lying bishops - not the religion itself. Anybody who confuses that distinction will not really care for religion much - but if you understand the distinction then religion can be OK.

I mean - all catholics - myself included - bear some repsonsibility for this current tragedy - but Catholicism to blame? I think not - b/c what is Catholicism if not a group of people?

hank

all the problems that have to do with religion, it's alot to deal with man, and i just don't want to be associated with any type of religion. you are right about it though, it is the people, but alot of times people are doing things because of the religion. all the **** in ireland, all the **** in afghanistan, i am sure there's alot more, i just don't wanna be a part of any of them.

[hank]

i don't take part in something that creates so much hate, and unrest around the world. not to mention i think it's all bs. but seriously something that causes so much **** around the world just isn't worth it. maybe my views may change in the future, but as of right now that is what i think.
Heh, you should come to my church, see if they spread any hate. :P

That is a great point - if hate is a part of a religion then I submit it is not the religion - but the people that are the problem.

Look at the Ctholic church/pedophilia problem. The problem is not the religion - but the pedophilic priests and the lying bishops - not the religion itself. Anybody who confuses that distinction will not really care for religion much - but if you understand the distinction then religion can be OK.

I mean - all catholics - myself included - bear some repsonsibility for this current tragedy - but Catholicism to blame? I think not - b/c what is Catholicism if not a group of people?

hank

all the problems that have to do with religion, it's alot to deal with man, and i just don't want to be associated with any type of religion. you are right about it though, it is the people, but alot of times people are doing things because of the religion. all the **** in ireland, all the **** in afghanistan, i am sure there's alot more, i just don't wanna be a part of any of them.

And bashing heads at a church will help in what way?

hank