TNI in Gallery (the New Photos)

[wesuper]

student and teacher faces each other?i hope that wont happen.
but if this happens, dunno whether kopassus still have its teeth since we all know that budget and training are always the problem.

in the other hand, ggk and paskal are well trained and funded. I dont mean to pesimist, but thats the truth..

unless some fat ppl in the 2 commission understands that Indonesian defence is important as well as economic, then youre all doomed.

*note, komisi 2 yang membawahi hankam...CMIIW
looks the "nick" i know from some where...:p

i think in capability on KOPASSUS and other unit are very well, couse they are still have good skill in infantry combat , there is deferent story about defences system they , what i mean here is armour , plane , ship, an other, they very lack in tolls and many old stuff still use.

[bambu runcing]

student and teacher faces each other?i hope that wont happen.
but if this happens, dunno whether kopassus still have its teeth since we all know that budget and training are always the problem.

in the other hand, ggk and paskal are well trained and funded. I dont mean to pesimist, but thats the truth..

unless some fat ppl in the 2 commission understands that Indonesian defence is important as well as economic, then youre all doomed.

*note, komisi 2 yang membawahi hankam...CMIIW

No, it is Comission 1 of House of Representatives (DPR) who in charge dealing with defense issue with their government and TNI official counterparts.

Defense budget not solely responsibility of Comission 1. Their main duty was supervise the policy and budget in defense and foreign relations subjects.
I knew some good men from Comission 1 and most of them would love to see our strong TNI

If we want to build a strong armed forces, despite considering budget first we should see what kind and size of TNI organization we want?

Do we still need to add more troops or just maintain what is available now? Or maybe we should reduce our troops to some reasonable extent.
With less troops maybe we can provide more training and better equipment and we will have a smaller but stronger deterrent armed forces

Reducing TNI's forces can be compensate by adding more Polri's force
The philosphy is, in peace time armed forces is idle capacity. For any security situation, Polri will handle and they will always be there.

Why we should maintain a big idle capacity forces that lacked capability because of lack of budget?

In case for total defense preparedness, we can build civilian draftee as reserve troops, just like Singapore do until now. They can be called and deployed when necessary just like US National Guard. We can build hundred thousand of reserve force without having to mess with routine big maintenance cost (provide salary, barrack) during peace time.

I kinda like this rationalization idea. We can start it by closing all small territorial command branch such as Koramil offices in Java. It just doesn't make sense to build army post in every sub district (kecamatan).
We already has Polri's precint (polsek) as civic security tools in every sub district.

In Sumatera, Kalimantan, Sulawesi, we can close Koramil office situated in the cities. In remote areas, some Koramil has to be closed and some maybe maintained for security reason. But I believe Polri's force is enough.

I know it took time, but we gotta start it right now...
But I still didn't see any TNI officer who has such guts to start.
President SBY had launched the idea when he still in service, in softer term, but never took it on action.
Until become president, he chose to keep TNI ( Army) hi ranking officer comfortable by never talking about Koter (territorial command) issue....
TNI neutrality in politics just enough to make SBY happy...

[mr. kurien]

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/malaysianindonesianarmy.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/DSC00488.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/mafandtniad.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/tsunami.jpg

only pictures will tell the real story... they looks happy together. hope this will last forever.

[TheBroncos]

Bambu Runcing has pretty good point. Typically a modern armed force focuses on its detterent parity, mobility, asset modernization, and so on, while the civilian police is responsible for local tactical, CT units, border patrol, and civil enforcements etc. Then you have the obvious intelligent agency with its own specialized CTU.

In most developed country, Armed Force is constitutionally prohibitted from urban area deployment -- unless called upon by the local govt or martial law declaration.

E.G. At the aftermath of 9/11 attack, there is no U.S. Military presence on the ground. They provide immediately CAP etc afterward, but not 1 combat boot step on NYC (w/ exception of Pentagon of course).

Katrina, however, presented a diff. issue -- In The State of Louisianna's constitution, there is no such thing as 'martial law,' hence the slow response. The Governor did declare 'state of emergency' and requested immediate federal relief. Response was extremely slow due to the depleted units in the area because of the wars. When the National Guard units were in NO, they were strictly logistic, rescue and relief, and engineering role. They are responsible to secure themselves, but restricted from patrolling in the city. Most security were provided by local law enforcement units. I believe the US had faster response to the Tsunami and Kashmir earthquake relief.

Same goes with London attack, Madrid Subway attack etc - No armed force units involved in the aftermath.

My point is a professional army should stay out of civilian life. I was in Jakarta during the last election, watching the army patrolling the capital surprised me. :(

Just an observation...

[Aghost]

Broncos and bambu runcing had a good point here, but it's hard work to do cause the atmosphere in TNI were formed since long time ago, and high ego and corruption was the disease of TNI right now same like other government institution in Indonesia, that's bad precedent guys.

I'll give you example what happen when student pass the teacher, it's happen to Pertamina when a long time ago they trained the Petronas, and now Petronas are bigger and better than Pertamina. you know why.. Petronas maintain their good management without corruption, nepotism or political interfere, and you don't want that happen to the TNI right.

But you still have chance to fix this problem, and it's depend on government political will, even though I believe what President Susilo Yudhoyono done right now is a good start since Yudhoyono was former TNI official.

[Johanus Bau]

No, it is Comission 1 of House of Representatives (DPR) who in charge dealing with defense issue with their government and TNI official counterparts.

Defense budget not solely responsibility of Comission 1. Their main duty was supervise the policy and budget in defense and foreign relations subjects.
I knew some good men from Comission 1 and most of them would love to see our strong TNI

If we want to build a strong armed forces, despite considering budget first we should see what kind and size of TNI organization we want?

Do we still need to add more troops or just maintain what is available now? Or maybe we should reduce our troops to some reasonable extent.
With less troops maybe we can provide more training and better equipment and we will have a smaller but stronger deterrent armed forces

Reducing TNI's forces can be compensate by adding more Polri's force
The philosphy is, in peace time armed forces is idle capacity. For any security situation, Polri will handle and they will always be there.

Why we should maintain a big idle capacity forces that lacked capability because of lack of budget?

In case for total defense preparedness, we can build civilian draftee as reserve troops, just like Singapore do until now. They can be called and deployed when necessary just like US National Guard. We can build hundred thousand of reserve force without having to mess with routine big maintenance cost (provide salary, barrack) during peace time.

I kinda like this rationalization idea. We can start it by closing all small territorial command branch such as Koramil offices in Java. It just doesn't make sense to build army post in every sub district (kecamatan).
We already has Polri's precint (polsek) as civic security tools in every sub district.

In Sumatera, Kalimantan, Sulawesi, we can close Koramil office situated in the cities. In remote areas, some Koramil has to be closed and some maybe maintained for security reason. But I believe Polri's force is enough.

I know it took time, but we gotta start it right now...
But I still didn't see any TNI officer who has such guts to start.
President SBY had launched the idea when he still in service, in softer term, but never took it on action.
Until become president, he chose to keep TNI ( Army) hi ranking officer comfortable by never talking about Koter (territorial command) issue....
TNI neutrality in politics just enough to make SBY happy...


I totally agree with you Pak Runcing... :)

TNI needs to be a smaller, better funded and highly trained institution... there are too many ill-equipped/ill-trained and ill-disciplined territorial units that could be replaced instead by more law enforcement officers. Studies have concluded that the police officer per citizen ratios in RI are too low...Equipment levels can also be reduced...

Anyway, this will not happen in the near future due to jealousy and large egos but more importantly the 'Amway' system that occurs in nearly all govt agencies. If Generals have to feed and train 250,000 personnel, they are given a lot more money to play with and to divert to personal bank accounts. It is well known that TNI and Dephan's accounting system is of poor quality.... billions of rupiah have been 'lost'... Which TNI officer can live on his declared salary? Of course he is going to be corrupt. The system needs to be changed radically.

Corruption is the biggest problem standing in the way of TNI's bright future. It will never become a highly professional force like those of other countries until it reduces its personnel and the government becomes fully accountable and transparent regarding its budget spending.

[Kopassus]

Reducing the personel is maybe a good idea, but not too much. Maybe from 300.000 to 250.000, because our country is as large as Europa and our population is 230jt. We also have a too large variety of small quantities of alutsista from too many scources, this should also be reduced.

[TheBroncos]

I agree, although smaller isnt exactly the right course, but whatever it takes to be more agile, mobile, and well equiped. The $4billion budget for a 300000 army translates to around $13000/grunt -- extremely low.

The Marine Corp however has made some good attempts on BCT style structure. Each Marine force is more independent compare to its Army counter part. I wish they would lift the budget restraint on the Marine Corp and let it matures itself into its own version of BCT. :)

[hawkeye88]

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/malaysianindonesianarmy.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/DSC00488.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/mafandtniad.jpg

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii438/cbj9312/tsunami.jpg

only pictures will tell the real story... they looks happy together. hope this will last forever.

Anyone can tell what is this about?

Maybe either of them are lost or something... p-)

[WiraBengis]

I believe this is a joint exercise. Ex-Malindo I believe.

[mr. kurien]

1st and 2nd pics is joint exercise between MAF and TNI.
3rd and 4th pics is MAF humanitarian help after the devastating tsunami 2004 at Acheh

[Aghost]

Along time ago (in 1954) Nurtanio had created sikumbang under LIPNUR (Lembaga Industri Penerbangan Nurtanio), The LIPNUR Sikumbang (manufacturer designation X-01) was a low-wing monoplane of mixed construction built in Indonesia in 1954 as a COIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COIN) and anti-guerilla-warfare aircraft. Of conventional configuration, it had fixed tricycle undercarriage and seated the pilot under a bubble canopy. A single example was built under the designation NU-200 in 1954, and another as the NU-225 in 1957

NU-200 sikumbang
http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/history/sikumbang.jpg

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/indonesia/lipnur_nu-200.jpg

Unfortunately this program never continued since Sikumbang grounded in 1967. in fact the Air force need this kind of aircraft to fight guerillas in some province due to Indonesia teritory mostly mountain and rain forest. Now this job was done by OV-10 Bronco and recently replace by EMB-314 Super Tucano.
If government had a will to continue develop this aircraft I think the Air force could save budget and didn't have to buy from other country.

[Dark Avenger]

Small (unfortunately) photo of the second Sikumbang with a Lycoming opposed piston engine:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/219/indonesianurtanionu200sca8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BTW, the tailplane configuration kinda reminds me of the Percival Provost.

[wesuper]

last sunday hunting

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/sari.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/sar2.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Here are some of my collections (Historical stuffs). My apology if they are reposts...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilaceh.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilaceh2.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilaceh3.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilaceh4.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilaceh5.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilindonesia.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilindonesia2.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/knilindonesia3.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tjoetnyakdhien.jpg

[TheBroncos]

few more...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tnitempodulu1.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tnitempodulu2.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tnitempodulu3.jpg

Credit to multiple historical sites.

[wesuper]

wow...that's rare pic

[TheBroncos]

this job was done by OV-10 Bronco and recently replace by EMB-314 Super Tucano.


Any more info on Super Tucano. This is the first I heard of TNI AU and Tucano. Thanks

[wesuper]

Any more info on Super Tucano. This is the first I heard of TNI AU and Tucano. Thanks



Is almost positive TNI AU submits Super Tucano aircraft as a replacement Counter Insurgent OV-10 Bronco was grounded in the early ago in 2008.

propelled ligth Atack Aircraft made Embraer this may be spelled suitable for operating in Indonesia, where many contours the area dominated by mountains and valleys.

In addition code aircraft T-27 also has manuvereability the rather good, although it provided only a few rocket launchers (FFAR) and bomb munition with light.

At least we hope this is the aircraft that is suitable and appropriate as a substitute for the wild horses that have been previously owned by the TNI AUjust about that nothing up dated news

[Aghost]

Any more info on Super Tucano. This is the first I heard of TNI AU and Tucano. Thanks

Yup can be sure they will appoint the EMB-314 Super Tucano as OV-10 Bronco replacement, the Super Tucano had a lot of advantage than other candidate ; KO-1 Korea Aerospace Industries, K-8 Karakorum joint production China and Pakistan, T-6B Texan II (United Stated) and Pilatus PC-9 Swiss. The four candidate fail on less weapon pylon (KO-1 & K-8), contains US parts (T-6B Texan II & PC-9) cause the government had bad experience with US armament embargo in 1999.

Hopefully in the purchasing agreement they should mention that Super Tucano production could be done in Indonesia (PT. DI), as we know PT DI had ability to do that. But we don't know are the government just purchase this aircraft or do transfer technology, we'll see.......

Pose after flight test
http://www.tni.mil.id/images/news/super-tucano.jpg

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/27/tucano.jpg

[r0m8470]

Logistically, doesn't it make more sense for TNI to purchase KO-1 instead of Super Tucano. The flying school already use the trainer version, why not extend the purchase to include the FAC version? Easier training and transition, both for the aircrew and the mechanics, not to mention the spares commonality aspect .....

Maybe the KT-1 just don't perform well? Maybe KT-1s are some sort of hangar queen ... ? Just speculation ......

Engine-wise, both use the same P&W Canada powerplant. Performance-wise, they're not that different either .... Super Tucano does seems to have a centerline hardpoint and KO-1 does not.

[Johanus Bau]

Logistically, doesn't it make more sense for TNI to purchase KO-1 instead of Super Tucano. The flying school already use the trainer version, why not extend the purchase to include the FAC version? Easier training and transition, both for the aircrew and the mechanics, not to mention the spares commonality aspect .....

Maybe the KT-1 just don't perform well? Maybe KT-1s are some sort of hangar queen ... ? Just speculation ......

Engine-wise, both use the same P&W Canada powerplant. Performance-wise, they're not that different either .... Super Tucano does seems to have a centerline hardpoint and KO-1 does not.


I totally agree.... it makes more sense to procure the KO-1... it is only a COIN aircraft anyway and realistically does not need to carry a huge payload ... TNI AU did extremely well with the OV-10 in Aceh so the KO-1 will be a huge improvement... both choices are suitable but it makes more sense for the KO-1 purely for the spare parts and prior pilot experience from training with the KT-1Bs... :)

...then again, procurement choices are never logical most times... and TNI has always bought many types of equipment to suit individual roles instead of a few types of equipment to perform multiple roles...:-(

[karbol]

my source said that the air force officialy selected the Super Tucano... but, too bad, there's no budget from Financial Minister...:-(

[karbol]

few more...







Credit to multiple historical sites.

OMG!! thats a very rare pics... more please....woot

[karbol]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4198/610xwx6.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9797/610xfv0.jpg
Indonesian air force officials inspect a Russian Sukhoi Su-30MK2 multi-functional fighter jet during a handover ceremony in Makassar February 2, 2009. Indonesia has received three more new fighter jets from Russia on Monday and they will be stationed in Makassar, an airforce official said.

[Kopassus]

I totally agree.... it makes more sense to procure the KO-1... it is only a COIN aircraft anyway and realistically does not need to carry a huge payload ... TNI AU did extremely well with the OV-10 in Aceh so the KO-1 will be a huge improvement... both choices are suitable but it makes more sense for the KO-1 purely for the spare parts and prior pilot experience from training with the KT-1Bs... :)

...then again, procurement choices are never logical most times... and TNI has always bought many types of equipment to suit individual roles instead of a few types of equipment to perform multiple roles...:-(
I already said this a couple of times at fora...but TNI-AU doesn't visit Militaryphotos...:-( Maybe its a political choice...because some time ago the president of Brasil visited INdonesia.
Oke, lets do a ramalan: TNI-AU will buy the EMB-314, but ofcourse just a small amount, less than 10. Then we have to choose a replacement for the Hawk Mk53. TNI-AU will choose for the K-8 (because thats cheap crap and an unlogic choise) instead of the AMX-T or T-50. And ofcourse all aquisitions will be done without additional weapons.

So after a couple of years, we will have a mix of MD3-160, AS202B, T-34C, KT-1B, EMB-314, K-8 and Hawk Mk109. Seven sorts of trainingaircrafts, from seven manufacturers of seven different countries....
And still nobody understand why TNI-AU is not yet efficient and costeffective altough they are hanging everywhere spanduk on their bases with things like "Lets become effective and professionalis!" :-( :'(

[Kopassus]

Oke ..its now time for better news..
(Thanks for the pics Karbol!)

Tiga Su-30MK2 Resmi Diserahkan Kepada TNI AU
(http://www.angkasa-online.com/read/news/884/tiga.su-30mk2.resmi.diserahkan.kepada.tni.au)
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/foto%20rilis/pen%20sukhoi3.jpg
What a beauties...hopefully they will serve TNI-AU for a long period....

[Johanus Bau]

Oke ..its now time for better news..
(Thanks for the pics Karbol!)

Tiga Su-30MK2 Resmi Diserahkan Kepada TNI AU
(http://www.angkasa-online.com/read/news/884/tiga.su-30mk2.resmi.diserahkan.kepada.tni.au)
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/foto%20rilis/pen%20sukhoi3.jpg
What a beauties...hopefully they will serve TNI-AU for a long period....

Let's just hope they hang Spanduks outside the 11 Sqn hangar which says "Oi para teknisi!! Make sure you regularly service and maintain these fighters with genuine spare parts! Ngak boleh pake spare part yg dibuat di bengkel"

rofl

Great pics Karbol and Kopassus

Check out the Dukun in our new plane! Cool sunnies! ha ha

http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/02/02/157/pesawat05.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Beautiful monsters arent they! :)

[karbol]

rofl

Great pics Karbol and Kopassus

Check out the Dukun in our new plane! Cool sunnies! ha ha





roflrofl...i dont mind become a dukun!!

[karbol]

i dont understand, why the airforce buy 2 different type of Sukhoi's.... why dont choose SU-30Mk2 instead. as you can see, right now the airforces have 4 different Type of Su (SU-27SK/30MK/30MK2/27SKM) in mixed up one squadron... talking about logistic...:roll:

[indogtr19]

i dont understand, why the airforce buy 2 different type of Sukhoi's.... why dont choose SU-30Mk2 instead. as you can see, right now the airforces have 4 different Type of Su (SU-27SK/30MK/30MK2/27SKM) in mixed up one squadron... talking about logistic...:roll:

Best for budget?

[r0m8470]

Karbol - you sneaky bugger :) ...... I mean it in a good way. Your picture is the only one that shows the cockpit! Looks very similar to PLA's SU-30MKK, 2 mfd flanking a set of dial instruments ....

Keep on taking pictures dude .....

[ggk]

i dont understand, why the airforce buy 2 different type of Sukhoi's.... why dont choose SU-30Mk2 instead. as you can see, right now the airforces have 4 different Type of Su (SU-27SK/30MK/30MK2/27SKM) in mixed up one squadron... talking about logistic...:roll:

the Mk version share the same airframe...only su-27sk are not...but some part are the same....

[TheBroncos]

Best for budget?

Neg. It's more expensive to maintain diff. set of assets in the long run. the 27SK vs 30MK is like having Mercedes S600 (Hi performance V12) and S320 CDI (Diesel) -- Same frame yet two totally different power packs and functions...yet both are very high maintenance!!

SK - Air Superiority single seater w/ very limited strike capability;
SKM - a digitalized and upgraded avionics version of SK;
MK - Multirole double seater;
MK2 - Multirole double seater w/ sea strike capability;

In my opinion, TNI is trying to obtain an 'all capability sqd.' Instead of an Interceptor sqd, or a strike sqd, it will be a 'weaker' all in one sqd. :bash:

Does anyone know if we solved the avionic issues w/ the earlier SK and MK?

Ref: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2008/5/13/indonesian-su-27-dan-su-30-jet-fighters-have-avionic-problems/

[TheBroncos]

Few of TNI history...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo1.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo2.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo3.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo4.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo5.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo6.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/indo7.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Pop quiz... what's the first Indonesian made armored vehicle..

HINT... used by Batavia Town Watch, KNIL before the WWII - Built locally by Indonesian Technicians...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Thestadswachtofbatavia.jpg

[karbol]

bronco's... once again... TOP BGT!!

[Johanus Bau]

Pop quiz... what's the first Indonesian made armored vehicle..

HINT... used by Batavia Town Watch, KNIL before the WWII - Built locally by Indonesian Technicians...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Thestadswachtofbatavia.jpg

Ha ha ha.... too easy Pak Broncos! Answer....


"Overalwagen" Armored Car

Unable to quickly procure sufficient quantities of armored vehicles, the KNIL turned to the Braat Steel Works in Batavia and the Soerabaja Drydock Company (a shipyard!) on Java for assistance. These companies converted several hundred 4x2 trucks into armored cars using boiler plating. The result was a functional, but heavy and hard-to-handle vehicle resembling an armored bank car. There were three variants, including:
- A personnel carrier with 2 x Vickers 7.7mm machine guns
- A patrol car with 4 x Madsen 6.5mm machine guns
- An airfield defense car with 1 x .50-caliber machine gun



Although initially planned and built for reserve and Home Guard units, these vehicles were pressed into service all over the Netherlands East Indies. In addition to Borneo, Tarakan and Java, they saw heavy combat at Menado, Kema and Palembang. In addition, a platoon of Overalwagens was deployed to Billiton Island in February 1942 to support a company of the KNIL's 9th Infantry Battalion. It is unclear if the vehicles were abandoned when the island was evacuated, or if they were lost when Japanese bombers sank their transport in the Banka Strait.


A number were destroyed in action at the places listed above, including at least one knocked out at point-blank range by a Japanese tank on Java. Many others were captured by the Japanese and used for occupation duties. After the war, Indonesian nationalists also used them against Dutch and British forces in their war of independence.


But do you know what this is? Also used by the KNIL....

http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/nei-c15ta.jpg

[Master Chief]

rofl

Check out the Dukun in our new plane! Cool sunnies! ha ha

http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/02/02/157/pesawat05.jpg



This Paranormal politician was invited to ensure that the new aircrafts are "clean & secured" from all bad spirit ...:)

[Master Chief]

few more...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tnitempodulu3.jpg

Credit to multiple historical sites.

Looks like South Vietnamese soldiers carrying Garand during Vietnam war era.

Good old pictures.

[Master Chief]

Here are some of my collections (Historical stuffs). My apology if they are reposts...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tjoetnyakdhien.jpg

A never-seen-before picture.
Was she, in this picture, praying with her hands or suffering the agony of being badly sick ? Or maybe she was deeply in pain being betrayal by her own countrymen ?
Nobody knows.

[TheBroncos]

Ha ha ha.... too easy Pak Broncos! Answer....


"Overalwagen" Armored CarBut do you know what this is? Also used by the KNIL....

http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/images/nei-c15ta.jpg

Good job on Overalwagen!!

Image is Canadian C15TA. KNIL used a bunch of them before the war, then the Imperial Japanese pressed them into service for urban patrol. Later on, TRI used it for riot control etc.

The gun is some kind of howitzer, 76mm - 88mm from the look of it.. it might be British 25pounder w/ truck wheel & tire instead of the standard version.

BTW TNI managed to refurbed these C15TAs after the war and pressed them for action for another decade.

EDIT... wiki on C15TA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C15TA_Armoured_Truck),

[TheBroncos]

bronco's... once again... TOP BGT!!

It's a payback to you, Karbol..I have been enjoying yours along w/ others here for a full year before I decided to join. lol:)

[Johanus Bau]

This Paranormal politician was invited to ensure that the new aircrafts are "clean & secured" from all bad spirit ...:)

Who is the paranormal politician? Ki Gendeng Pamungkas?

[Johanus Bau]

Good job on Overalwagen!!

Image is Canadian C15TA. KNIL used a bunch of them before the war, then the Imperial Japanese pressed them into service for urban patrol. Later on, TRI used it for riot control etc.

The gun is some kind of howitzer, 76mm - 88mm from the look of it.. it might be British 25pounder w/ truck wheel & tire instead of the standard version.

BTW TNI managed to refurbed these C15TAs after the war and pressed them for action for another decade.

EDIT... wiki on C15TA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C15TA_Armoured_Truck),


Good one!!

[bambu runcing]

No Master Chief, that was British Lee Enfield, most proliferated assault rifle on the hand of Indonesian independence war guerillas. Maybe from Dutch invenstory before WW II

After the Independence War, TNI acquired Garand M-1 and M-2
But Indonesian Armed forces used the wide array of small weaponry since their first inception. Maybe we can traced the root cause of heteroweapon system syndrome in TNI back to the 1945.
I remember in a defense magazine long time ago that Indonesian Police also used Germany M-98 Mauser for its standard rifle.




Looks like South Vietnamese soldiers carrying Garand during Vietnam war era.

Good old pictures.

[Master Chief]

Who is the paranormal politician? Ki Gendeng Pamungkas?

Do you know who that guy in the cockpit is ?

[Kopassus]

Pop quiz... what's the first Indonesian made armored vehicle..

HINT... used by Batavia Town Watch, KNIL before the WWII - Built locally by Indonesian Technicians...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Thestadswachtofbatavia.jpg
Sorry Joh ****, its not an Overalwagen but an Overvalwagen.

This picture is from een Overvalwagen (picture from Orient
Magazine 1941) during a parade in Batavia late 1941.
The coat of arms of the Batavia Stadswacht is painted
on the front of the vehicle. Note small searchlights on
hull sides.
The engine received fresh air through a radiator below
the nose of the vehicle (visible in this picture). To
reach the engine the top of the hood could be opened.
Visibility from inside the overvalwagen was poor,
especially for the driver. Crews complained about this
and the vehicle was especially difficult to maneuvre
when turning or driving backwards.
In the last case the vehicle commander had to stand
up and expose himself to give directions to the driver.



Oya, some 'good' news:

KORVET TNI AL DARI PT PAL TUNGGU MENKEU


Jakarta - Pengadaan satu unit kapal jenis Korvet senilai 220 juta dolar AS pesanan TNI Angkatan Laut dari PT Pal Indonesia (PAL) tinggal menunggu penetapan kontrak dari Menteri Keuangan.

"Penetapan kontrak sedang diproses tinggal menunggu keputusan Menkeu," kata Kepala Staf AL Laksamana Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno.

[Johanus Bau]

Sorry Joh ****, its not an Overalwagen but an Overvalwagen.

This picture is from een Overvalwagen (picture from Orient
Magazine 1941) during a parade in Batavia late 1941.
The coat of arms of the Batavia Stadswacht is painted
on the front of the vehicle. Note small searchlights on
hull sides.
The engine received fresh air through a radiator below
the nose of the vehicle (visible in this picture). To
reach the engine the top of the hood could be opened.
Visibility from inside the overvalwagen was poor,
especially for the driver. Crews complained about this
and the vehicle was especially difficult to maneuvre
when turning or driving backwards.
In the last case the vehicle commander had to stand
up and expose himself to give directions to the driver.




Sorry about the typo Kopi-susu...... my mistake. :) But you better not make any spelling mistakes or else I am gonna be pedantic juga.... p-)

End of the day, the Overvalwagen was pretty crap! ya kan?

[Johanus Bau]

Do you know who that guy in the cockpit is ?

No, that is why i asked about the paranormal politician.... anyone know who he is?? Only famous paranormal politician i know is Pak Pamungkas

[karbol]

Karbol - you sneaky bugger :) ...... I mean it in a good way. Your picture is the only one that shows the cockpit! Looks very similar to PLA's SU-30MKK, 2 mfd flanking a set of dial instruments ....

Keep on taking pictures dude .....

those pics are not taking by me... i repeat... those are not my photos...

[karbol]

No, that is why i asked about the paranormal politician.... anyone know who he is?? Only famous paranormal politician i know is Pak Pamungkas

his name is Permadi... member of Komisi 1 DPR... my guess is, maybe he was invited to make the rain go away...

i mean as a pawang hujan (anyone know in english?)...roflrofl

[indogtr19]

his name is Permadi... member of Komisi 1 DPR... my guess is, maybe he was invited to make the rain go away...

i mean as a pawang hujan (anyone know in english?)...roflrofl

Hmmm, hujan means rain. So I guess pawang hujan = umbrella? Lol sorry my indonesian isn't very good anymore.

[ggk]

his name is Permadi... member of Komisi 1 DPR... my guess is, maybe he was invited to make the rain go away...

i mean as a pawang hujan (anyone know in english?)...roflrofl

rain shaman...lord of the rain he he.

i remembered an old story during the time malaysia sent troops to be trained by RPKAD. During one of the training, sea navigation using kayak.... the weather are as clear as it get, so malaysian trainee were able to kayak their way easily along the swamp.

Seeing this one of the Kopassus trainer raised his hand and read some sort of mantra while looking at the clear sky. Woooosh all the sudden heavy rain and thunder storm came and pur in all day long to the night.

un confirm ofcourse, but a really fascinating story.

[wesuper]

his name is Permadi... member of Komisi 1 DPR... my guess is, maybe he was invited to make the rain go away...

i mean as a pawang hujan (anyone know in english?)...roflrofl
meaning is

pawang hujan = rain guardian rofl

sorry just intermezo


more pic please

[TheBroncos]

his name is Permadi... member of Komisi 1 DPR... my guess is, maybe he was invited to make the rain go away...

i mean as a pawang hujan (anyone know in english?)...roflrofl

Broad translation:

The Medicine Man... The Shamans... The Sorcerer... The Witch Doctor... The Rain Dancer... The Bomoh... or Click here (http://www.weather.com/) :)

[Johanus Bau]

Broad translation:

The Medicine Man... The Shamans... The Sorcerer... The Witch Doctor... The Rain Dancer... The Bomoh... or Click here (http://www.weather.com/) :)


Huh? I thought it was Gandalf from Lord of the Rings... he he...:)

[Johanus Bau]

Can anyone identify the type and manufacturer of this Polairud patrol craft?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1XZMX_E0z5c/SYkW5ZPHPyI/AAAAAAAABBk/GODDi0xZ84s/s1600/polairud4-Sumbang****Coastgard.jpg

[wesuper]

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/satman7.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/satman8.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/satman9.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/satman10.jpg

[wesuper]

casa 212 TNI AU

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/casa212.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/casa213.jpg

[mr. kurien]

i read from an article from a mag about Indonesian SF

President security
President Security Forces ( PASPAMPRES )

POLRI
DELTA 88 ( SWAT unit )
GEGANA Special Response Unit a.k.a. 2nd Regiment of POLRI Mobile Brigade

TNI - AD
KOPASSUS ( Kor Pasukan Khusus ) a.k.a. SAT-81 GULTOR

TNI - AU
BRAVO 90 DETACHMENT a.k.a. SATGAS ATBARA ( drawn fom Air Force's Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat )

TNI - AL
DENJAKA a.k.a. JALA MANGKARA DETACHMENT
KOPASKA ( Kor Pasukan Katak )
YONTAIFIB ( Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion )
KESATUAN GURITA ( specialize on offshore CT, merchant shipping, offshore oil installations )

is there any SF that is missed?

[TheBroncos]

and most importantly... the people for grass root intelligence.. makavelli post from pg 22 :)woothttp://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2841/723965415qd.jpg

[DavidDCM]

Is DELTA 88 = Detasmen Khusus 88 = Den 88?

Detasemen Khusus 88 shoulder batch:
http://indonesiaeliteforces.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/den88_baris.jpg

Den 88 sniper:
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/24whlc4.jpg

[Johanus Bau]

i read from an article from a mag about Indonesian SF

President security
President Security Forces ( PASPAMPRES )

POLRI
DELTA 88 ( SWAT unit )
GEGANA Special Response Unit a.k.a. 2nd Regiment of POLRI Mobile Brigade

TNI - AD
KOPASSUS ( Kor Pasukan Khusus ) a.k.a. SAT-81 GULTOR

TNI - AU
BRAVO 90 DETACHMENT a.k.a. SATGAS ATBARA ( drawn fom Air Force's Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat )

TNI - AL
DENJAKA a.k.a. JALA MAGKARA DETACHMENT
KOPASKA
YONTAIFIB ( Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion )
KESATUAN GURITA ( specialize on offshore CT, merchant shipping, offshore oil installations )

is there any SF that is missed?

I am not sure you would call Gegana or Paspampres SF units. But that is just me... others might disagree....

Probably only Kopassus units, Denjaka, Kopaska, Yontaifib and Den Bravo are definitely SF due to their flexible capabilities and deployment methods....

Det-88 is more of a CT unit and not a SF combat unit...

[karbol]

Can anyone identify the type and manufacturer of this Polairud patrol craft?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1XZMX_E0z5c/SYkW5ZPHPyI/AAAAAAAABBk/GODDi0xZ84s/s1600/polairud4-Sumbang****Coastgard.jpg

what patrol craft? i see no pics...?:roll:

[karbol]

casa 212 TNI AU





correction bro... this bird belong to TNI-AL....

[karbol]

i read from an article from a mag about Indonesian SF

President security
President Security Forces ( PASPAMPRES )

POLRI
DELTA 88 ( SWAT unit )
GEGANA Special Response Unit a.k.a. 2nd Regiment of POLRI Mobile Brigade

TNI - AD
KOPASSUS ( Kor Pasukan Khusus ) a.k.a. SAT-81 GULTOR




just a little adding some info...

ARMY:
Kopassus=Special Forces Commando, consist of 2 Group of Para Commando, 1 Anti teror Unit (SAT-81Gultor) and Pusdik Passus..

Raider, similar to Ranger.

Tontaipur: combat recon platoon



TNI - AU
BRAVO 90 DETACHMENT a.k.a. SATGAS ATBARA ( drawn fom Air Force's Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat )



ATBARA means: Anti Bajak Udara, Anti aircraft Hijacking...




TNI - AL
DENJAKA a.k.a. JALA MANGKARA DETACHMENT
KOPASKA ( Kor Pasukan Katak )
YONTAIFIB ( Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion )
KESATUAN GURITA ( specialize on offshore CT, merchant shipping, offshore oil installations )

is there any SF that is missed?

there are no longer SF unit called Gurita... Anti Teror unit of the Navy is the Denjaka.

[Yahoo!]

Indonesia Sends Ship To Lebanon

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/news/kri_lebanon.jpg
http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/01/07/473/ze1.jpg
ARMATIM (8 / 1) - In order to participate and maintain security and stability and security of law enforcement at sea in realizing the peaceful situation in Lebanon. In early February later Indonesia will send ship to Lebanon. KRI Diponegoro-365, warship from the TNI AL Armada RI Eastern Fleet (Koarmatim) a Sigma Class and a helicopter from the 105 Air Wing on board the ship with 110 personnel will leave for Lebanon.



Before starting, all the personnel who joined the UN peace mission in Satgas Maritime Task Force (MTF) military contingent Garuda XXVIII-A/UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Forces in Lebanon) were given various training and knowledge.


http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/01/07/473/ze2.jpg
On Wednesday, (7 / 1) representing the TNI, the Head of General Staff (Kasum) TNI TNI vice admiral Y. Didik Heru Purnomo officially opened the start of the training that is given the name Exercise Pratugas Satgas MTF TNI KONGA XXVIII-A/UNIFIL at the Auditorium Puslat Opsla Kolatarmatim, Ujung, Surabaya. Training and pembekalan for the 110 soldiers of the TNI AL, lasted until 5 February 2009, covering things that are tactical and technical military, command and control, communication, and knowledge, such as introduction of the local culture, knowledge of human rights and humanity.
Before leaving they will also conduct a technical maneuver drill field around the Java Sea. With this training, it is expected that all the soldiers involved in the Sea Satgas would have the ability in accordance with the standards from the UN to perform tasks in the real field operations.


http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/01/07/473/ze6.jpg

Of 110 personnel are involved, 88 of which are from KRI Diponegoro, while 22 other supporting personnel include the helicopter pilot, a doctor, frogmen, divers, komlek, engineers etc. All personnel are soldiers that Koarmatim from a selection that includes the ability to speak English, general check-up and health and psychiatric interview.


According to Kasum TNI, it is the responsibility of the State as one of the Indonesian nation, which is always active role in maintaining world peace, as mandated in the 1945 Constitution and Law. 34 of 2004.


http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/01/07/473/ze5.jpg

The request to Indonesia by the United Nations is very significant for the sake of peace, because it will complete the composition of UNIFIL Maritime Task Force of European countries, like Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey and others. With a diverse composition of members of the UN is required to show the impartiality of the task of UNIFIL to implement the UN resolution number 1701.

[darkpole]

Found these on their gallery, hope not repost.

P2 Commando
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2Commando2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2Commando1.jpg


P2 APC
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2APC6.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2APC5.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2APC2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P2APC1.jpg


P3 Ransus
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P3Ransus2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/P3Ransus3.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Great find!

[darkpole]

Here's illustration on SS2 and PM2, beauty they are.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/SmallArms095.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/SmallArms096.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Sorry for sounding ignorant on the subject... Is it legal to purchase firearms in Indo? I understand that it might require permit etc, but can one purchase a semi auto in anyway? I also wonder how the SS2 shoot... I dont like FN FNC 556 trigger. I am assuming the SS1 is pretty close to FN, how about the SS2?

I wonder if BATF would allow to import the SS-2. hmmmm

[wesuper]

Here's illustration on SS2 and PM2, beauty they are.




i wonder where did you find the ilustration i never seen before espceialy ss-2 v3 and v4

its kinda diferent whit the pic were i got

ss-1 series
the grey one its maritimized
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/ss1.jpg

its true he is beauty

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/ss2.jpg

[darkpole]

Sorry for sounding ignorant on the subject... Is it legal to purchase firearms in Indo? I understand that it might require permit etc, but can one purchase a semi auto in anyway? I also wonder how the SS2 shoot... I dont like FN FNC 556 trigger. I am assuming the SS1 is pretty close to FN, how about the SS2?

I wonder if BATF would allow to import the SS-2. hmmmm

AFAIK "qualified" civilians are permitted to own firearms, but they couldn't carry the weapon home, instead it kept in authorized storage organized by Perbakin CMIIW. I'm not really sure if they allowed to purchase those semi-autos, I've seen civilians shooting small arms, but not those semi autos. Karbol seemed to have experience on SS2 :), so hows it feel bro?


i wonder where did you find the ilustration i never seen before espceialy ss-2 v3 and v4

I found it here :
http://hk.geocities.com/guncobook/01.html

[Aghost]

Subchan and Saturn
http://www.detiknews.com/images/content/2008/08/20/10/stelllar-in.jpg

Dr. Subchan along with Stellar team achieve Ministry of Defence (MOD) Prize from UK government for combat innovator and obtain RJ Mitchell Trophy.
Subchan and his team eliminate six other team on the final MOD’s Grand Challenge on August 8-19 '08, from total 23 team.

Subchan is ITS lecture and right now on study to take Post Doctoral at Cranfield University, Defence College of Management and technology, Defence Academy of the United Kingdom Informatics and Sensors.

Stellar team design named Saturn declared as the winner because they have the best system for threat identification for the troops

Saturn is integrated system of Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), Unmanned Ground Vehicle (UGV)and control station for data processing (visual, thermal & radar censor).

A lot of Indonesia engineer going overseas and gain scholarship there, but never come back to their country due to they have better appreciation for their invention.
Hope Dr. Subchan will come back to Indonesia and having a profession here.

[darkpole]

Subchan and Saturn
.....
Saturn is integrated system of Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), Unmanned Ground Vehicle (UGV)and control station for data processing (visual, thermal & radar censor).
I'm imagining transfer of technology ;-)

[darkpole]

I'm not sure whether they bought these into their inventory or not

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/KPS1.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/KPS3.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/KPS4copy.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/KPS2copy.jpg

[karbol]

Sorry for sounding ignorant on the subject... Is it legal to purchase firearms in Indo? I understand that it might require permit etc, but can one purchase a semi auto in anyway? I also wonder how the SS2 shoot... I dont like FN FNC 556 trigger. I am assuming the SS1 is pretty close to FN, how about the SS2?

I wonder if BATF would allow to import the SS-2. hmmmm

i have tried few rounds with SS-2 also SS-1. i'm not expert in guns, but all i can say is the SS-2 a lot more comfortable. the recoils are not as hard as the SS-1... and it more accurate...

this is a video of civilian shooting the SS-2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKCvOAFJto

[karbol]

Dirgantara Indonesia yet to start manufacturing C-212 for Merpati

Yuli Tri Suwarni and Novia D. Rulistia , The Jakarta Post , Bandung, Jakarta | Sat, 02/16/2008 12:42 PM | Business
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) is awaiting the arrival of components from Europe before manufacturing the C-212-400 light aircraft ordered by Merpati Nusantara Airlines, an official said Friday.
PT DI aircraft integration director Budi Wuraskito said a Spain-based unit of European Aeronautics Defense Space Company (EADS) would send two components, technical drawings and assembly jigs in June to PT DI headquarters in Bandung, West Java.
"We will start manufacturing the plane soon after the drawing is in our hands, as Merpati wants the first C-212-400 to be delivered by the end of 2009," Budi said in Bandung.
Last month, PT DI and Merpati signed a contract for the order of 10 C-212-400s to serve routes in eastern Indonesia, especially Nusa Tenggara and Sulawesi.
Budi said the remaining nine planes would be finished and delivered to Merpati by the end of 2010.
The 26-seater C-212-400 is the latest version of the C-212 developed by CASA-EADS NV with a price of around US$5.5 million.
Previously, EADS and PT DI signed an agreement on the relocation of the C-212 production and assembly facilities from San Pablo, Spain, to Bandung.
Budi said the market for the C-212-400 was promising as many airlines in the region had started to turn from jets to light aircraft due to high global oil prices.
"When lots of airlines turned to jets years ago, many light aircraft manufacturers collapsed. And now there are only two prominent light aircraft manufacturers in the world, ATR and Bombardier," he said.
"Our opportunity is big, as the market is still large."
For the domestic market alone, Budi said, the demand for the planes in the next 10 years would be high, as many existing similar planes were at the end of their lives.
"In Indonesia, of 96 units of the C-212-200 we produced, around 45 units are now defunct," Budi said.
This year, PT DI is targeting Rp 1 trillion in profit, up from Rp 850 billion in 2007.



link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/02/16/dirgantara-indonesia-yet-start-manufacturing-c212-merpati.html


******************


good news is, the PT.DI now have the license to build the C-212-400. bad news is, the N-219 project will be cancelled..

[TheBroncos]

Thanks Karbol. I'd love to try out SS-2.. It looks fun to shoot.

As far as the SIG556, it's a good weapon to shoot. I ordered mine couple weeks ago, 1x7 5.56mm w/ 16" barrel.wootwootwoot The ones in the picture above look like promotional kit since it comes w/ 20rd mag, non foldable/adjustable stock, or picatinny rails. I imagine SIG556 would works great for KOPASSUS since it's reliable in humid, wet climate like in INDO.

A Basic Siggy from a local store here:
https://www.cogunsales.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=46&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

[nomind]

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq262/nherdananto/KPS1.jpg

is it 1911 double stacker ?

[TheBroncos]

is it 1911 double stacker ?

Good eyes! Looks like it. Gotta have BIG hand to shoot double comfortably :)
http://tinypic.com/ic77r4.jpg

[Master Chief]

Dirgantara Indonesia yet to start manufacturing C-212 for Merpati

Yuli Tri Suwarni and Novia D. Rulistia , The Jakarta Post , Bandung, Jakarta | Sat, 02/16/2008 12:42 PM | Business
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) is awaiting the arrival of components from Europe before manufacturing the C-212-400 light aircraft ordered by Merpati Nusantara Airlines, an official said Friday.
PT DI aircraft integration director Budi Wuraskito said a Spain-based unit of European Aeronautics Defense Space Company (EADS) would send two components, technical drawings and assembly jigs in June to PT DI headquarters in Bandung, West Java.
"We will start manufacturing the plane soon after the drawing is in our hands, as Merpati wants the first C-212-400 to be delivered by the end of 2009," Budi said in Bandung.
Last month, PT DI and Merpati signed a contract for the order of 10 C-212-400s to serve routes in eastern Indonesia, especially Nusa Tenggara and Sulawesi.
Budi said the remaining nine planes would be finished and delivered to Merpati by the end of 2010.
The 26-seater C-212-400 is the latest version of the C-212 developed by CASA-EADS NV with a price of around US$5.5 million.
Previously, EADS and PT DI signed an agreement on the relocation of the C-212 production and assembly facilities from San Pablo, Spain, to Bandung.
Budi said the market for the C-212-400 was promising as many airlines in the region had started to turn from jets to light aircraft due to high global oil prices.
"When lots of airlines turned to jets years ago, many light aircraft manufacturers collapsed. And now there are only two prominent light aircraft manufacturers in the world, ATR and Bombardier," he said.
"Our opportunity is big, as the market is still large."
For the domestic market alone, Budi said, the demand for the planes in the next 10 years would be high, as many existing similar planes were at the end of their lives.
"In Indonesia, of 96 units of the C-212-200 we produced, around 45 units are now defunct," Budi said.
This year, PT DI is targeting Rp 1 trillion in profit, up from Rp 850 billion in 2007.



link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/02/16/dirgantara-indonesia-yet-start-manufacturing-c212-merpati.html


******************


good news is, the PT.DI now have the license to build the C-212-400. bad news is, the N-219 project will be cancelled..

IMO, that's not so good news. Why C-212-400 ? IAe's job is only "assembling", not really "manufacturing". Why not CN-235 ? The CN-235 initial & operating cost will be slightly higher (the money will be circulated within state companies anyway) but she provides more flexibility, capacity, more convenient to the passengers, more domestic added value & above all; nation's pride. Agree ?

[Kopassus]

just a little adding some info...

ARMY:
Kopassus=Special Forces Commando, consist of 2 Group of Para Commando, 1 Anti teror Unit (SAT-81Gultor) and Pusdik Passus..

there are no longer SF unit called Gurita... Anti Teror unit of the Navy is the Denjaka.
About Kopassus:
Bukan
Grup 1: 3 batalyon parakomando
Grup 2: 3 ,, ,,
Grup 3: Pusdiklat unit
Grup 4: Demolition, intel, infiltration group
Grup 5: Gultor 81
Or has this changed?

About Gurita:
Thanks, i didnt know Satgas Gurita has been dibubarkan. Why?

Oya, some news about you... :P
http://www.angkasa-online.com/read/news/900/tni.au.buka.pendaftaran.karbol

[Kopassus]

Indonesia Sends Ship To Lebanon




http://foto.detik.com/images/content/2009/01/07/473/ze5.jpg
.
In 2007 i visited KRI Diponegoro, before it was delivered to Indonesia. Normal public were not allowed to get in this room, the engine control center. But because i was 'abnormal public', i was allowed to get in this room and made a picture, but didn't dare to post it on internet. But now i see its free on the internet, maybe ill post it here soon...

[Kopassus]

Thanks for the nice pics of the P2, SS1 and SS2 Darkpole!
P2 tidak kala dgn Panhard VBL, sayang P2 tidak amphibious ya...

Dirgantara Indonesia yet to start manufacturing C-212 for Merpati




good news is, the PT.DI now have the license to build the C-212-400. bad news is, the N-219 project will be cancelled..

AArrgh, N219 cancelled??!!!!??? KArbol, why??!!!
I waiting everyday, visiting the situs of IPTN and Angkasa everyday to read some good news about this project, and now you tell us its cancelled!!:-( I really hoped that we gonna make a new aircraft, a 100% own product at last, after decades of assembling under licence (NC212), 50% products(CN235) and the only real 100% project cancelled(N250).

Oke, the good news is that IPTN at least gonna make 10 new aircrafts, but we still are at the same level as in the 70's: just assembling.....

[Kopassus]

IMO, that's not so good news. Why C-212-400 ? IAe's job is only "assembling", not really "manufacturing". Why not CN-235 ? The CN-235 initial & operating cost will be slightly higher (the money will be circulated within state companies anyway) but she provides more flexibility, capacity, more convenient to the passengers, more domestic added value & above all; nation's pride. Agree ?
CN235 is 2x bigger (44 pax instead of 22 pax) and a lot more expensive. C212-400 is $5,5jt, CN235-220 around $15jt each.
So, the best replacement for the NC212-100/200 is the -400, but ofcourse the best solution was N219.:-( :'(

[Johanus Bau]

Nearly another disaster... thank god it was avoided.....sailing in rough seas is not very good practice. :-(

KRI KUPANG-582 TIDAK TENGGELAM
09 Feb 2009

DISPENAL (9/2),- Kepala Dinas Penerangan Angkatan Laut (Kadispenal) Laksamana Pertama TNI Iskandar Sitompul, SE. menegaskan bahwa KRI Kupang dengan nomor lambung 582 tidak tenggelam. Menurut keterangan Kadispenal KRI Kupang yang dikomandani Kapten Laut (P) Suyadi bersama dengan 26 ABK pada hari Sabtu (7/2) bertolak dari Armatim untuk menjemput nelayan dari Gresik yang perahunya tenggelam sejak 4 Februari 2009 dan berhasil diselamatkan oleh Kapal Australia MV. Oval OC. yang tengah lego jangkar di Bouy 5. Syahbandar Pemda Gresik meminta bantuan Armatim mengingatkan tidak ada kapal yang berani berlayar akibat gelombang laut yang mencapai ketinggian 3 – 5 meter.


Setelah 5 jam pelayaran menuju ke lokasi penjemputan nelayan Gresik bernama Khoirul Huda (2 nelayan lain belum ditemukan) yang mengalami kecelakaan tersebut dan belum sampai ke lokasi KRI Kupang terhantam gelombang setinggi 5 meter sehingga mengalami kebocoran pada bagian rampa depan, sesuai Prosedur Tetap (Protap). Komandan KRI segera mengambil tindakan pemompaan air ke luar dan mengarahkan kapal ke arah pantai/kedangkalan mengingat KRI Kupang-582 adalah sejenis kapal LCU, selanjutnya meminta bantuan ke KRI lain. Kebetulan KRI Slamet Riyadi yang tidak jauh dari lokasi segera mendekat dan memberikan pertolongan yang pada akhirnya KRI Kupang berhasil menepi di dekat pantai di sekitar Bouy 4 tidak jauh dari Pulau Madura serta lego jangkar. Dua puluh enam ABK berhasil dievakuasi termasuk barang-barang berupa senjata, dokumen-dokumen penting dan lain-lain.


Saat ini KRI Kupang yang mempunyai panjang 36,27 M, lebar 9,7 M, bobot 370 ton, buatan PT PAL tahun 1978 dan dipakai Armatim dalam operasi di APBS/APTS (Alur pelayaran Barat/Timur Surabaya) tengah berada di pinggir pantai dan dalam upaya perbaikan/pengelasan.

[Kopassus]

Nearly another disaster... thank god it was avoided.....sailing in rough seas is not very good practice. :-(

KRI KUPANG-582 TIDAK TENGGELAM
09 Feb 2009

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Thanks for posting!
They are real heroes, trying to save the nelayan altough the waves reaches 5 meters...

[Johanus Bau]

[quote=Kopassus;3909561]About Kopassus:
Bukan
Grup 1: 3 batalyon parakomando
Grup 2: 3 ,, ,,
Grup 3: Pusdiklat unit
Grup 4: Demolition, intel, infiltration group
Grup 5: Gultor 81
Or has this changed?

About Gurita:
Thanks, i didnt know Satgas Gurita has been dibubarkan. Why?.]

Kopassus GroupsLocationCommentsGrup 1/Parakomando (Para Commando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Commando))Serang, West Java3 battalionsGrup 2/Parakomando (Para Commando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Commando))Kartasura, Central Java3 battalionsPusat Pendidikan Pasukan Khusus (Training (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training))Batujajar, West JavaCenter of TrainingGrup 3/Sandhi Yudha (Combat Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Combat_Intelligence&action=edit&redlink=1))Cijantung, East JakartaCombat IntelligenceSAT 81/Penanggulangan Teror (Counter-terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-terrorism))Cijantung, East JakartaCounterterrorist

Care of Wikipedia!

[karbol]

AArrgh, N219 cancelled??!!!!??? KArbol, why??!!!
I waiting everyday, visiting the situs of IPTN and Angkasa everyday to read some good news about this project, and now you tell us its cancelled!!:-( I really hoped that we gonna make a new aircraft, a 100% own product at last, after decades of assembling under licence (NC212), 50% products(CN235) and the only real 100% project cancelled(N250).

Oke, the good news is that IPTN at least gonna make 10 new aircrafts, but we still are at the same level as in the 70's: just assembling.....

why...? simple... same class with the C-212-400... how do you sale two different aircraft, but in the same class?

[Kopassus]

why...? simple... same class with the C-212-400... how do you sale two different aircraft, but in the same class?
I really hope they will switch over from the NC212-400 to the N219 in the future. The C212 was designed in the end of the 60's, besides its ugly its also very noisy (The Garret engines are the cause of that).

[Master Chief]

CN235 is 2x bigger (44 pax instead of 22 pax) and a lot more expensive. C212-400 is $5,5jt, CN235-220 around $15jt each.
So, the best replacement for the NC212-100/200 is the -400, but ofcourse the best solution was N219.:-( :'(

CN-235-220 is 3x the price of C212-400 ? C'mon, where did you get this price from ?

[bambu runcing]

I really hope they will switch over from the NC212-400 to the N219 in the future. The C212 was designed in the end of the 60's, besides its ugly its also very noisy (The Garret engines are the cause of that).


C-212 maybe ugly but it is really cheap. It's just a flying box
Many turboprop airplane never been changed in design since their first flight because we cannot make alot of improvement for slow speed airplane

CASA and PT DI has been shared the market for C-212 and CN-235
CASA sell in western countries, PT DI in Asian market.

CASA (EADS) does not continue the C212 production because they will focus on bigger airplane production. But they have obligation to keep the spare part support for customer. So they decided to give the job to PTDI along with production facility lines.

PT DI not just assembling C212. As of now, PT DI is the sole producer of C212 because all production tools has been shipped from CASA (EADS) to Bandung.
This is a great opportunity because PT DI didn't put huge investment on it.

Once PTDI can make good sales from C212-400, they can continue their own project with N219 or maybe they can revive the old N-250. To put N-219 in production lines need huge investment.

For now, lets make PT DI highly profitable first.

[Master Chief]

why...? simple... same class with the C-212-400... how do you sale two different aircraft, but in the same class?

I'm missing something here. Where is it written that N219 will be cancelled ?

Same class in terms of the number of pax may be yes. There are some design differences there. N219 will not have a ramp door in the rear. Therefore the drag will be lower & operating cost will be less as well. The cabin will be pressurized providing better comfortability to the pax.

[501st_airborne]

why...? simple... same class with the C-212-400... how do you sale two different aircraft, but in the same class?

In marketing, we called it "differentiation", such as Suzuki Carrymoon (city car) and Suzuki Carry (Minivan). Similar engine and chassis, different structure and functionality.

However, I don't see any logical explanation to employ that kind of strategy in C-212 and N219 case. But maybe, the more sophisticated design of N219 can be a "differentiation". I personally feel safer when flying with a good looking (modern looking) plane :D

[Kopassus]

C-212 maybe ugly but it is really cheap. It's just a flying box
Many turboprop airplane never been changed in design since their first flight because we cannot make alot of improvement for slow speed airplane

CASA and PT DI has been shared the market for C-212 and CN-235
CASA sell in western countries, PT DI in Asian market.

CASA (EADS) does not continue the C212 production because they will focus on bigger airplane production. But they have obligation to keep the spare part support for customer. So they decided to give the job to PTDI along with production facility lines.

PT DI not just assembling C212. As of now, PT DI is the sole producer of C212 because all production tools has been shipped from CASA (EADS) to Bandung.
This is a great opportunity because PT DI didn't put huge investment on it.

Once PTDI can make good sales from C212-400, they can continue their own project with N219 or maybe they can revive the old N-250. To put N-219 in production lines need huge investment.

For now, lets make PT DI highly profitable first.
Thanks for the info! You know a lot details....

[mengkom]

i found this on alutsista.blogspot.com
kopassus pic on their 56th anniversary
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x137/Lancero4/abril/20080416051815ENLUS0131589112083230.jpg
russian helmet?

[TheBroncos]

Densus 88 attending a SWAT conference in Albuquerque, NM in Sept of 08

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8801.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8802.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8803.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8804.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8805.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8806.jpg

[TheBroncos]

As far as the PT. DI news... My personal opinion is... why would you build shelf products if there is no procurement bidding or request from TNI. It's a bad habit for PT.DI to do it backward..aka get licensing, build them then forced them down TNI's throat through Political arm strenght ...e.g. PUMA, cn 235 ETC. Same goes w/ oknum2 who loves 'huge import procurement' for 'uang rokok' reason. bah!

Most defense contractors would fund a design team and new product development once there is an open bid request from the armed force. :(

[Kopassus]

CN-235-220 is 3x the price of C212-400 ? C'mon, where did you get this price from ?
Just an example, a couple of years ago, Pakistan bought 4 CN235-220 for $49jt, thats almost 12,5jt each. The second batch of CN235-220 to South-Korea were more expensive, they were fitted with RWRs and flare dispensers. I thought they were over 20jt each. The CN235-220MPA even more expensive, around $35jt afaik, correct me if im wrong.

Oya, in the '90s the planned price for N250-100 was $17-17,5 jt and N250-200 20jt.

Here some news about IPTN:
First order from another airline than Merpati.

06 February 2009

DIRGANTARA HAS ITS FIRST C-212-400 CONTRACT ORDER



AIRFAST Indonesia, an Indonesian aircraft charter company, has signed a firm order with Dirgantara Indonesia for the purchase of C-212-400. This is the first C-212-400 order for Dirgantara after C-212-400 assembly jigs and facilities are relocated from San Pablo, Spain, to Bandung, West Java. The contract order was signed by Dirgantara President, Budi Santoso, and Airfast President, Irma Reuneker in Bandung,West Java, on Friday (06/02).
</I>
</I>The 26-seater C-212-400 is the latest version of the C-212 developed by CASA-EADS. Budi said the market for the C-212-400 was promising as many airlines in the region had started to turn from jets to light aircraft due to high global oil prices.
</I>The ASEAN market of C-212-400 is potential and it is predicted that within the next seven years 155 units of C-212-400 will be sold.
</I>






09 February 2009

CERTIFICATE OF ELECTRICAL BASED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM FOR THE N250 PROGRAM



Directorate General of Intellectual Property and Right, Ministry of Law and Human Rights has given a certificate of patent ELECTRICAL BASED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM to two Indonesian engineers and a Dirgantara team, servicing at Dirgantara few years ago. The engineers are Jusman Sjafii Djamal (presently Minister of Transportation) and the late Bambang Pamungkas.
</I>
</I>The certificate, submitted on Friday, 6 February 2009 in Bandung, proved high
</I>dedication of Dirgantara aircraft knowledge and technology which was applied to
</I>Dirgantara’s fly-by-wire-N250. The first flight of its prototype was on 10th August
</I>1995 and the date of 10 August had been, since then, inaugurated as National
</I>Technology Awakening Day.
</I>
</I>The N250 program had led Indonesia to be autonomous in high technology but then it was terminated due to national monetary crisis, but this is expected not to be any constrain for Indonesian in technology development.
</I>
</I>Dirgantara President, Budi Santoso, expects that the certificate can stimulate
</I>Dirgantara young generation to keep high their potential ability in aircraft tehnology.

[midnite_groove]

I just joined this forum a couple of days ago and a little surprised to find this thread... don't have any pictures to post yet so just saying a hello to all and fellow indonesians woot

[Master Chief]

Just an example, a couple of years ago, Pakistan bought 4 CN235-220 for $49jt, thats almost 12,5jt each. The second batch of CN235-220 to South-Korea were more expensive, they were fitted with RWRs and flare dispensers. I thought they were over 20jt each. The CN235-220MPA even more expensive, around $35jt afaik, correct me if im wrong.



We're talkin' about civilian aeroplanes here, right ? The price for military versions can be doubled-multipled depending the features you want.

[Master Chief]

Densus 88 attending a SWAT conference in Albuquerque, NM in Sept of 08

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/densus8802.jpg



The shoulder patch, what is it ?

[karbol]

I just joined this forum a couple of days ago and a little surprised to find this thread... don't have any pictures to post yet so just saying a hello to all and fellow indonesians woot

welcome aboard sir....:)

[karbol]

CERTIFICATE OF ELECTRICAL BASED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM FOR THE N250 PROGRAM



Directorate General of Intellectual Property and Right, Ministry of Law and Human Rights has given a certificate of patent ELECTRICAL BASED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM to two Indonesian engineers and a Dirgantara team, servicing at Dirgantara few years ago. The engineers are Jusman Sjafii Djamal (presently Minister of Transportation) and the late Bambang Pamungkas.
</I>
</I>The certificate, submitted on Friday, 6 February 2009 in Bandung, proved high
</I>dedication of Dirgantara aircraft knowledge and technology which was applied to
</I>Dirgantara’s fly-by-wire-N250. The first flight of its prototype was on 10th August
</I>1995 and the date of 10 August had been, since then, inaugurated as National
</I>Technology Awakening Day.
</I>
</I>The N250 program had led Indonesia to be autonomous in high technology but then it was terminated due to national monetary crisis, but this is expected not to be any constrain for Indonesian in technology development.
</I>
</I>Dirgantara President, Budi Santoso, expects that the certificate can stimulate
</I>Dirgantara young generation to keep high their potential ability in aircraft tehnology.


thx bro... but what is this article mean? :roll:

i think PT.DI need money to continue N-250 project. and offcourse they need buyer... not only certificate...

[TheBroncos]

The shoulder patch, what is it ?

Densus 88 patch.. here is the zoomed in version

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/shoulder.jpg

The more common yellow and red version..
http://photos-784.friendster.com/e1/photos/48/78/41038784/863545109l.jpg

and the older version..
http://news.okezone.com/images-data/content/2008/04/25/1/104046/xAYjuNAcPk.jpg

[bambu runcing]

Few days ago I heard Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi SP said before 1st Comission of the House (DPR) that TNI AD will buy 22 wheeled armoured vehicle (panser) with Cannon from South Korea.
11 pansers are used from Korean Army and the rest 11 will be built by Pindad.

In 2006, Pindad and Hyundai Rotem made an agreement for transfer of technology in developing panser. My guess is, TNI AD will buy 11 Rotem WAV with 90 mm cannon and Pindad will build 11 the Rotem in Bandung.

But what about Pindad's own made Panser Cannon that still undergo development? Pindad's panser cannon build on Panser Anoa platform, didn't they? I don't see any Korean technologies there...

Anoa is smaller and much lighter than Rotem WAV 6x6. The base model of Rotem WAV 6x6 weigh in 16 tones. Adding cannon make additional 1,5 tones so Rotem with 90 mm cannnon weigh in 17.5 tones. Panser Anoa with Cannon only weight 11 tones.

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/%5BURL=http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3383/rotemcannon2hk5.th.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

[bambu runcing]

Few days ago I heard Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi SP said before 1st Comission of the House (DPR) that TNI AD will buy 22 wheeled armoured vehicle (panser) with Cannon from South Korea.
11 pansers are used from Korean Army and the rest 11 will be built by Pindad.

In 2006, Pindad and Hyundai Rotem made an agreement for transfer of technology in developing panser. My guess is, TNI AD will buy 11 Rotem WAV with 90 mm cannon and Pindad will build 11 the Rotem in Bandung.

But what about Pindad's own made Panser Cannon that still undergo development? Pindad's panser cannon build on Panser Anoa platform, didn't they? I don't see any Korean technologies there...

Anoa is smaller and much lighter than Rotem WAV 6x6. The base model of Rotem WAV 6x6 weigh in 16 tones. Adding cannon make additional 1,5 tones so Rotem with 90 mm cannnon weigh in 17.5 tones. Panser Anoa with Cannon only weight 11 tones.

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/%5BURL=http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3383/rotemcannon2hk5.th.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

sorry, I forgot to upload the pic. My first time pic upload. For comparison:

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/panser/ROTEMCANNON2.jpg
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/panser/Canon_APS6x6Pindad.jpg

[Johanus Bau]

sorry, I forgot to upload the pic. My first time pic upload. For comparison:




Actually, the combat weight of the Anoa is 14 tonnes..... you can see that the turret is much smaller than the Rotem and the Anoa's armour is probably not as thick as the Korean Rotem (ASLAV copy). Top speed is higher than the Anoa too....maybe the engine is bigger.

[fcaesarn]

Actually, the combat weight of the Anoa is 14 tonnes..... you can see that the turret is much smaller than the Rotem and the Anoa's armour is probably not as thick as the Korean Rotem (ASLAV copy). Top speed is higher than the Anoa too....maybe the engine is bigger.


Any update about the LVT which will be given to Indonesian Marines by the Korean??

Despite its ToT matter, Why MoD not consider to chose the Korean Tank for the ToT agreement?? We know that Pindad has already had capability to build the similar weapon (Canon Anoa)..

[GreenTea]

^Is she a combat soldier (prajurit tempur)?

sorry for my bad english...

[mengkom]

^Is she a combat soldier (prajurit tempur)?

sorry for my bad english...

don't know that..i found the pic on kopassus website (http://www.kopassus.mil.id/gallery/home/35/Menembak+Pistol/162/The+only+one....html)

[DavidDCM]

Maybe the Anoa 90mm panser did not meet the specifications of TNI. Its turret is only a Scorpion 90-turret, which is very old and not up to date. The Korean vehicle against that probably has a more modern weapon station.

[aneep]

how sure r u thats a female? as i remember, many from Sandhi Yudha have long hair, :)

-aneep-

[bambu runcing]

Any update about the LVT which will be given to Indonesian Marines by the Korean??

Despite its ToT matter, Why MoD not consider to chose the Korean Tank for the ToT agreement?? We know that Pindad has already had capability to build the similar weapon (Canon Anoa)..


ROTEM is bigger and has better capability than Anoa Cannon. At least ROTEM is proven than Anoa Cannon that still in development. I think it is better for Pindad to build ROTEM than continue Anoa Cannon program. I'm glad Indonesia has close tie with South Korea in industrial defense. Korea is so creative country ...

[501st_airborne]

^Is she a combat soldier (prajurit tempur)?

sorry for my bad english...

check out the muscle in her arm... that's a battle proven arms lol :D

[501st_airborne]

how sure r u thats a female? as i remember, many from Sandhi Yudha have long hair, :)

-aneep-

check out her chest and her hip..

[4n664]

Any update about the LVT which will be given to Indonesian Marines by the Korean??

Despite its ToT matter, Why MoD not consider to chose the Korean Tank for the ToT agreement?? We know that Pindad has already had capability to build the similar weapon (Canon Anoa)..

Sorry for bringing this up again but does anybody have seen the Pindad Cannon being fired by Anoa??? My common sense say that Anoa chassis is too flimsy to fire a 90mm cannon. The cannon's recoil could make the whole thing go up in the air...

[TheBroncos]

LOL.. It probably needs a forward fixed gun to sustain the recoil.

[GreenTea]

Great pics bro... :):)

i really enjoy see kopassus pics :)

[karbol]

Few days ago I heard Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi SP said before 1st Comission of the House (DPR) that TNI AD will buy 22 wheeled armoured vehicle (panser) with Cannon from South Korea.
11 pansers are used from Korean Army and the rest 11 will be built by Pindad.

In 2006, Pindad and Hyundai Rotem made an agreement for transfer of technology in developing panser. My guess is, TNI AD will buy 11 Rotem WAV with 90 mm cannon and Pindad will build 11 the Rotem in Bandung.

But what about Pindad's own made Panser Cannon that still undergo development? Pindad's panser cannon build on Panser Anoa platform, didn't they? I don't see any Korean technologies there...

Anoa is smaller and much lighter than Rotem WAV 6x6. The base model of Rotem WAV 6x6 weigh in 16 tones. Adding cannon make additional 1,5 tones so Rotem with 90 mm cannnon weigh in 17.5 tones. Panser Anoa with Cannon only weight 11 tones.

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/%5BURL=http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rotemcannon2hk5.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3383/rotemcannon2hk5.th.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

i heard a gossip about korean panser about 1 year ago, before the Anoa 6X6 (APC version) launched.. it was said, that the korean helping pindad manufacturing the APC's. also they are offering some ToT... but i guess Pindad choose Renault to help them. as you can see, tha Anoa using Renault engine...

about the Panser Cannon, it is under development. maybe, the korean coming back to help Pindad.. including a ToT..

but i dont know for sure...:roll:

[DavidDCM]

Sorry for bringing this up again but does anybody have seen the Pindad Cannon being fired by Anoa??? My common sense say that Anoa chassis is too flimsy to fire a 90mm cannon. The cannon's recoil could make the whole thing go up in the air...

Please go and read up on the following vehicles:
Ratel 90
EE-9 Cascavel
LAV-300 90
Sibmas AFSV-90

if you did that and are still convinced that the Anoa won't work you are welcomed to come back and discuss the matter. But until then don't make unbased statements based on your "common sense" :roll:

The Cockerill Mk III is a low pressure low recoil gun which is especially designed for use in light vehicles and proven in that role since several decades. No offence, but check your facts before you post, alright?

[4n664]

Please go and read up on the following vehicles:
Ratel 90
EE-9 Cascavel
LAV-300 90
Sibmas AFSV-90

if you did that and are still convinced that the Anoa won't work you are welcomed to come back and discuss the matter. But until then don't make unbased statements based on your "common sense" :roll:

The Cockerill Mk III is a low pressure low recoil gun which is especially designed for use in light vehicles and proven in that role since several decades. No offence, but check your facts before you post, alright?

Well no offence again, but dude, I'm only asking if anyone know they've test fired the thing on the anoa. I tried to be optimistic but well it's ok to be critical. Anyway those list u gave up there are 2 or 4 tons heavier than anoa. Let's just stop the debate here coz this is juz my silly curiosity.

Pisss

[DavidDCM]

The EE-9 Cascavel is even 1 ton lighter than the Anoa canon ;)

As I stated before, the turret of the Anoa canon is simply the turret of the Scorpion 90, which is in use with Indonesia since mid 90's. So the system itself is already known and proven. Now all that remains to be seen is whether the Anoa chassis can withstand the recoil structurally and whether the whole vehicle would flip over when the gun is fired at 3 or 9 o'clock.
If the Indonesian engineers know their job it should be no problem for them to reinforce the vehicles so they can withstand the recoil. And with the flipover at positions 3 and 9, as I said, the Cockerill Mk 3 is really "weak" in regards to recoil, and the Anoa is neither higher nor lighter than other vehicles of this class. So if other vehicles manage to survive firing the Cockerill I see no reason why the Anoa shouldn't.

[TheBroncos]

wow... hold your horses, David. :) You are assuming that everyone is equal and everyone can apply the available technology at any given time. Take that little assumption away, and what you get is the real world :roll:. :bash::backhand:

For argument sake, we can see how The Aussies have had their "fun" w/ the idea of Cockerill 90mm on their M113, The malaysians had multiple modifications done to their SIBMAS Cockerill 90mm in the 70s before the accuracy issues were resolved, and the list goes on. On other hand, there are many success story on CMI guns as you mentioned. My point is, it's not as simple as what you described. Any engineers can tell you that.

BTW, CMI stop producing mkII (the original low pressure/recoil 90mm)Partly due to the effectiveness of the gun itself. MkIII has more recoil and mk8 is considered as medium recoil.

Moreover, PINDAD and TNI-AD/marine have enough experience w/ CMI 90 with many of its upgrade projects. PT-76B upgrade (mk3 90mm) for example is the first in the world. CMI most likely would lend more than enough hand on the ANOA 90 project. However, PINDAD has a habit of assemblying, technology transfer, and improve upon weaponary that's produced by others. This is so much simpler than trying to re-engineer an ANOA platform to accept the scorpion turret along with the hassles of 'rights and licenses' etc. It's all about KISS.

But again, all of this might just be TNI inefficient procurement habit! I remember Yusuf Kalla speared a MOU talk between rotem and pindad. Typical politicians and their pocket!

[TheBroncos]

Cash-Strapped TNI Too Poor to Carry Out Operations

http://media.thejakartaglobe.com/newsarticles/2009_02_11/navypage.jpg
See Also:

TNI Signals End to History of Racial Discrimination (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/article/6938.html)
Military, Defense Win Praise From Supreme Audit Agency (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/national/article/6384.html)
Defense Ministry to Cut Programs as Government Slashes Military Budget (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/national/article/1286.html)
The poorly equipped and underfunded Armed Forces are concerned that their operations, including for search and rescue and disaster relief, may grind to a halt because of a Rp 4 trillion ($340 million) debt to state oil and gas company Pertamina accumulated since the 2004 Aceh earthquake and tsunami.
In an extraordinary admission, Navy Chief Adm. Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno, speaking after meeting with retired admirals in Jakarta, said the Navy had begged the central government for fuel to participate in the search and rescue operation in the immediate aftermath of last month’s KM Teratai Prima ferry disaster that claimed more than 250 lives.
Tedjo said that Pertamina, citing the outstanding debt of the Armed Forces, or TNI, had denied the Navy’s request for fuel to take part in the search, forcing it to lobby the central government to intervene on its behalf. “We could not postpone the search and rescue operation because it was for humanitarian reasons.”
The government did intervene and told Pertamina to supply the required fuel, he said.
Tedjo said that since the 2004 tsunami in Aceh, and the subsequent relief operations, TNI had accumulated a Rp 4 trillion debt to the state oil and gas company.
He said that the Navy had been forced to limit the sailing hours of its vessels, which equated to just eight days of operations every three months.

Read More (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/article/9371.html)


:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash: Meanwhile Indonesia Nusantara being chiseled away by its neighbours.

[DavidDCM]

As I said, no offence.
However, I am puzzled by the doubts you all show. Seriously, there even seems to exist a prototype already, is Pindad just window dressing or what? Are they, by today's standard, unable to do what others did 30 years back? Of course my posting was just a simplification, yet my sole point was that it is absolutely and positively possible to integrate a Mk 3 gun into a 6x6 APC chassis of the 10+ weight class (the Mk 3 is marketed as solution for vehicles of 7 tons and above!). If you read a rude undertone in my post than be assured that that is not the intent.

[darkpole]

Another local product, light offroad vehicle called Komodo.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodoflyer1.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodospec.jpg

Komodo K1 - Military Version :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodo2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodo1.jpg

Komodo K0 & K1 :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodok0andk1side.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodok0andk1rear.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodok0andk1top.jpg

Komodo K-1 :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodok1side.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodok1cockpit.jpg

Komodo K-0 :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodoact1.jpg

Low cost vehicle to patrol our border? :slap: :)

Watch demo video : http://www.youtube.com/komodooffroad

(http://www.youtube.com/komodooffroad)

[darkpole]

In 2006 there was SS1 modified into bullup version called Pasopati. Any one knows any recent info about it?

Pasopati :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Spec.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati2.jpg

Ade Kusnadi - The Modifier :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-AdiKusnadimodifierSS1AKMPa.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Detached.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Inside.jpg

[karbol]

In 2006 there was SS1 modified into bullup version called Pasopati. Any one knows any recent info about it?

Pasopati :






Ade Kusnadi - The Modifier :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-AdiKusnadimodifierSS1AKMPa.jpg





i met this guy on IDA'08... he is now making some kind of SMG... but the SMG design was sooooo ugly:-(...

about the Pasopati... hmmm... nothing new.

[karbol]

Another local product, light offroad vehicle called Komodo.





Komodo K1 - Military Version :


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/komodo1.jpg

Komodo K0 & K1 :






Komodo K-1 :




Komodo K-0 :


Low cost vehicle to patrol our border? :slap: :)

Watch demo video : http://www.youtube.com/komodooffroad

(http://www.youtube.com/komodooffroad)

i like to buys this as a gift, if i have 10 year old son ...rofl

[fcaesarn]

ROTEM is bigger and has better capability than Anoa Cannon. At least ROTEM is proven than Anoa Cannon that still in development. I think it is better for Pindad to build ROTEM than continue Anoa Cannon program. I'm glad Indonesia has close tie with South Korea in industrial defense. Korea is so creative country ...

I heard a rumor about ANOA certification plan which will be held in Belgium.. any updates for that??

[msam13]

ROTEM is bigger and has better capability than Anoa Cannon. At least ROTEM is proven than Anoa Cannon that still in development. I think it is better for Pindad to build ROTEM than continue Anoa Cannon program. I'm glad Indonesia has close tie with South Korea in industrial defense. Korea is so creative country ...

Well, for me its better to buy Rotem even before the development of Anoa 90mm, at least there will be some technique that Pindad would be able to adopt. My concern is not about our technology, but about our will to use the local equipment, Pindad itself said that they won't make any profits if TNI can't order at least 20. Guys,TNI has a contract to buy 150 Anoa, so, what unit will use that stuff? TNI AD Cavalry??

[karbol]

sundul lagi ah....:)

set of pics from our mighty herky....

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-6.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-5.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-1.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-4.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/herky-3.jpg

[TheBroncos]

Any words on C130H / J, that TNI supposedly has been trying to purchase the past 3 years?

Ref (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indonesia-giving-priority-to-c130-hercules-planes-01545/)

[Aghost]

http://www.detikinet.com/images/content/2009/02/05/511/Robot-Penjinak-Bom285.jpg
Good news guys, at least we can see the prototype of indigenous bomb disposal robot produced by strategic industries and University (LIPI, Pindad and PENS (Surabaya State polytechnic)). PENS develop the control system and artificial intelligent, Platform develop by Pindad, remote control and digital signal processing develop by LIPI. The unique of this robot is it had weapon to defuse the bomb before it blows.

The Research and Technology Ministry spokesman, Sjaeful Irwan said the gun attached is a shotgun with empty bullet and shot using water pressure, so that the bomb didn't explode. Sjaeful add this robot presented to stand with other bomb disposal own by the the Bomb Squad.

Right now it's still on further development, and expected to be on duty in 1-2 years from now.

[Aghost]

Pindad APC
http://www.antaraphoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1234261307
http://www.antaraphoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1234261301
And the bad news is the goverment will reduce the order of APC from Pindad due to global financial crisis.
The Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said "With the limited budget and the engine producer (Renault) had affected the crisis too, so the procurement of 150 unit APC will be reduce to 40 unit. One unit APC cost 12 Billion Rupiahs"
Juwono add, the APC procurement for the Army funded by remaining Credit Export 2004-2009 around US$ 1,2 billion.

I think the engine is the major cost for this APC, Pindad should find local partner and develop the engine locally without depend on Renault. Local engine factory could study the existing engine and clone it like china does.

[karbol]

Any words on C130H / J, that TNI supposedly has been trying to purchase the past 3 years?

Ref (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indonesia-giving-priority-to-c130-hercules-planes-01545/)

AFAIK, the airforce dont have a plan to buy a new herky. even if they do, they dont have the budget for it... for short term plan, the airforce would like to upgrade the 'B' type hercules into 'H' type...

[karbol]

Pindad APC


And the bad news is the goverment will reduce the order of APC from Pindad due to global financial crisis.
The Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said "With the limited budget and the engine producer (Renault) had affected the crisis too, so the procurement of 150 unit APC will be reduce to 40 unit. One unit APC cost 12 Billion Rupiahs"
Juwono add, the APC procurement for the Army funded by remaining Credit Export 2004-2009 around US$ 1,2 billion.

I think the engine is the major cost for this APC, Pindad should find local partner and develop the engine locally without depend on Renault. Local engine factory could study the existing engine and clone it like china does.

but the good news is, we are buying the KILO's:)

[Johanus Bau]

but the good news is, we are buying the KILO's:)

Not so fast Karbol.... it will only be ONE Kilo-class sub.... Menhan also said a few days ago that it may not be the Kilo either as Dephan is also considering the South Korean and German offers....:|

[bambu runcing]

Pindad APC
And the bad news is the goverment will reduce the order of APC from Pindad due to global financial crisis.
The Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono said "With the limited budget and the engine producer (Renault) had affected the crisis too, so the procurement of 150 unit APC will be reduce to 40 unit. One unit APC cost 12 Billion Rupiahs"
Juwono add, the APC procurement for the Army funded by remaining Credit Export 2004-2009 around US$ 1,2 billion.

I think the engine is the major cost for this APC, Pindad should find local partner and develop the engine locally without depend on Renault. Local engine factory could study the existing engine and clone it like china does.

First Anoa prototype called Panser Type 0 (zero) used Steyr Puch 260 hp engine rated below Renault which has 320 hp. But 320 hp diesel engine is not hard to get. There are so many Japan and European civilian truck using the same rate engine, Scania and Mitsubishi Fuso (trintin).
I don't think engine is the issue.

Juwono said the Anoa price is Rp 12 bio a piece? Higher than French VAB. TNI AD bought retrofitted VAB US$ 700 k or euro 550 k in 2007 to deploy in Lebanon. If they were new, I think the price will not exceed US$ 800 k.

Did the Anoa development cost was so high so it need sale of 150 Anoa to make it cheaper than foreign product?

[karbol]

Not so fast Karbol.... it will only be ONE Kilo-class sub.... Menhan also said a few days ago that it may not be the Kilo either as Dephan is also considering the South Korean and German offers....:|

but i'm pretty sure that the Navy will get KILO... the Navy Chief always said, he don't want 'anjing kampung'.

even if there is only one Kilo, it will be great...woot

[karbol]

Two Air Force jets receive missile lock-on threat in South Sulawesi

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 02/20/2009 2:39 PM | National
Two of the Air Force's newly procured Sukhoi SU-30 jets received unknown missile lock-on threats while practicing an air interception scenario in air space around South Sulawesi on Friday morning.

Sultan Hasnuddin Air Force base commander First Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said there was a pilot and a Russian instructor onboard each jet during the practice when their warning system indicated that missiles might have been about to be fired at them.

“I received the report at 09:00 a.m. local time (08:00 Jakarta time),” he said as quoted by kompas.com.

Dunia said both jets were flying at 5,000 above sea level when they registered the threat.

“We haven't figured out who send the threat. We have sent a surveillance plane to comb a 370 kilometer radius area around the Makassar radio navigation ground station, but it has been to no avail,” he said.

Dunia said that he had confirmed that there was no report of foreign aircraft asking any permission to enter the airspace. (dre)

link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/20/two-air-force-jets-receive-missile-lockon-threat-south-sulawesi.html

**********
:-(
my info said the threat came from sea/land... anyone have more info?

[Yahoo!]

but i'm pretty sure that the Navy will get KILO... the Navy Chief always said, he don't want 'anjing kampung'.

even if there is only one Kilo, it will be great...woot

I really dont think it will be the Kilo. Previously, the talk was that if it is Russian, it would be the Amur class.

But I personally think it is more likely to be the Type 209. Why? Because the TNI AL already have 2 Type 209. It would make better sense. Karbol, do you think CAKRA and NANGGALA are anjing kampung?

[Aghost]

Two Air Force jets receive missile lock-on threat in South Sulawesi

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 02/20/2009 2:39 PM | National
Two of the Air Force's newly procured Sukhoi SU-30 jets received unknown missile lock-on threats while practicing an air interception scenario in air space around South Sulawesi on Friday morning.

Sultan Hasnuddin Air Force base commander First Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said there was a pilot and a Russian instructor onboard each jet during the practice when their warning system indicated that missiles might have been about to be fired at them.

“I received the report at 09:00 a.m. local time (08:00 Jakarta time),” he said as quoted by kompas.com.

Dunia said both jets were flying at 5,000 above sea level when they registered the threat.

“We haven't figured out who send the threat. We have sent a surveillance plane to comb a 370 kilometer radius area around the Makassar radio navigation ground station, but it has been to no avail,” he said.

Dunia said that he had confirmed that there was no report of foreign aircraft asking any permission to enter the airspace. (dre)

link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/20/two-air-force-jets-receive-missile-lockon-threat-south-sulawesi.html

**********
:-(
my info said the threat came from sea/land... anyone have more info?

Guys Indonesia sky was so wide and open, I remember in 1999 when the East Timor was freed from Indonesia, the Australian jet fighter (F-18) enter the Indonesia territory near Kupang so often and the patrolling fighter (Hawk 100) couldn't chase them, even it look like they mock the Indonesian fighter, and finally it made the authority angry and give instruction to shoot them down if they could. Or incident near Bawean in 2003 when the US fighter F-18 lock the TNI AU F-16, whereas they only ask the identity to those fighter due to their flight disrupt the commercial aviation, once again this incident scorning the Indonesia Air force.

Now it's happen again, the brand new Sukhoi was locked by unidentified threat, and those new Sukhoi didn't have armament at all. I think Indonesia government should add more radar station and surveillance plane or maybe this incident will bring the house of representative member senses and they will approve to add more fighter and armament.
Furthermore you don't know how many submarine have enter your teritory guys he..he..

[TheBroncos]

Historically, missile-warning systems have had high false-alarm rates especially without the 'solar' filter for UV missile warning counter measure. Being deployed in the Equatorial area, TNI-AU probably will see more false detections. In Iraq, USAF C-130s encounter many false lock on warnings during descending upon urban area from urban UV reflection (even an acetylene torch can set off lock warning).

Whether it's false warning or not, it's interesting how TNI AU reacted this way. It somewhat shows how much blind spot they have within the border itself. :-(

[mr. kurien]

maybe there's someone wanted to test the TNI-AU SU30 electronics and aviation systems... same happened when RMAF receiving their new SU30MKM. during the Independence Day Celebration on 2007 there are several reports on someone or something are trying to test or spying RMAF SU30MKM systems...

[TheBroncos]

Bump...

Couple picts to complement the previous KRI Krait
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/krait1.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Krait2.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/krait3.jpg

Some other TNI patrol ships
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/kri.jpg

KRI Ahmad Yani..
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/kri2.jpg

KRI Fatahilah...
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/krifatah.jpg


KRI Mandau & KRI Layang
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/krimandaulayang.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/krimandaulayang2.jpg

All copyrights reserved the respected owners... and sorry if they are reposts.

[ZAYYANA]

Any News about "Wajib Militer" from people representative....?

[karbol]

Karbol, do you think CAKRA and NANGGALA are anjing kampung?

not me... the Navy chief does...p-)

[karbol]

Historically, missile-warning systems have had high false-alarm rates especially without the 'solar' filter for UV missile warning counter measure. Being deployed in the Equatorial area, TNI-AU probably will see more false detections. In Iraq, USAF C-130s encounter many false lock on warnings during descending upon urban area from urban UV reflection (even an acetylene torch can set off lock warning).

Whether it's false warning or not, it's interesting how TNI AU reacted this way. It somewhat shows how much blind spot they have within the border itself. :-(

thx for info....


maybe there's someone wanted to test the TNI-AU SU30 electronics and aviation systems... same happened when RMAF receiving their new SU30MKM. during the Independence Day Celebration on 2007 there are several reports on someone or something are trying to test or spying RMAF SU30MKM systems...

this is interesting...

[wesuper]

some

sadly codition on museum Satria Mandala

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/cureng3.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/cureng.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/cureng1.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/cureng2.jpg

:cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[TheBroncos]

TRIKORA 1962...
Brief history of West Papua Operation by TRI

1950 6 TRI recon troops landed at Sansapor on the north coast, they were quickly arrested by the locals.

Jan 1952 Boat landing on West New Guinea's Gag Island, the New York Times reports Dutch saying 43 TRI regulars were arrested by local police, though other references say 28 men; the Indonesian men are quickly spotted and arrested. Most were surprised that the locals were loyal to the Dutch.

May 1953 17 detachment from Sulawesi units landed near Fakfak along with a Papuan guide; The party was intercepted by the Dutch Marines. The leading sergeant and two others were killed before others were arrested and sentenced to one to six year in prison.

Oct 1953 21 armed militia from the 25th TRI Regiment trained in guerrilla warfare and another 21 locals recruited from Aru Island entered Etna Bay flying a Dutch flag and proceeded inland. Intercepted by Dutch Marines, four were shot, five killed by Papuan natives, and twenty eight arrested during first two months. Eventualy eleven died and the others were sentenced to four years before being returned to Indonesia.

9 Nov 1960 10 deserters from the "Pasukan Gerilya 100" with 23 insurgents were arrested. Local Papuans reported armed Javanese troops along the Southern coast; A total of 16 were captured and 7 were killed during the next four months.

14 Sep 1961 "Pasukan Gerilya 200" unit lands 32 insurgents with mortar, grenades and Lee Enfield rifles near Sorong; quickly spotted by local Papuans 29 were captured, 2 shot, and one believed eaten by crocodiles during three months attempting to evade capture.

15 Jan 1962 "Pasukan Gerilya 300" leaves Jakarta with 115 insurgents on four Jaguar class torpedo boats, three boats reached the Aru Sea where two Dutch destroyers pursued them and sunk the lead boat with Commodore Yos Sudarso. 51 survivors were picked up, detained until March and with UN mandated repatiation back to Java.

Mar 1962 A Pasukan Gerilya 300 unit using motorised canoes take cover on Gag Island after been seen; they were soon captured. Mar 1962 "Pasukan Gerilya 300" unit using motorised canoes take cover near Waigeo Island before one was eaten by sharks while trying to return to Java before being captured.

26 Apr 1962 40 guerrilla paratroopers of DPC Team 3 flew by Dakotas towards Fak-Fak; the first guerrilla was arrested after asking a Papuan on a canoe for help and who was delivered instead to the Police. Three months later the last insurgent was arrested.

26 Apr 1962 32 guerrilla paratroopers of DPC Team 4 flew by Dakotas towards Kaimana; evaded capture for almost three months but whose commander Lieut. Heru Sisnodo's diary was also captured, roughly translated to:
"I am disillusioned because I did not expect this deployment that face this tough operation and I cry because the Papuans do not support us. They do not give us food: we must look for our own food or barter with our valuable equipment. They report our movements to the Dutch."

15-25 May 1962 PGT commandos and army paratroopers jump near Fak-Fak; 20 Police rangers approach coastline with speedboats; PGT and army paratroopers jump near Kaimana; and PGT commandos jump near Sorong while Pasukan Gerilya 400 made a sea landing. The Police rangers were arrested on route to the beach, some PGT commandos held a small village shortly near Sorong while the rest of the parachutists were quickly captured or fleeing capture.

Supposedly there were other special operations by PUSPASSUS (then Kopasus) which never been published.

These are some pictures from the KNIL side...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua1.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua3.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua4.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua5.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua6.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua7.jpg

[karbol]

Supposedly there were other special operations by PUSPASSUS (then Kopasus) which never been published.

These are some pictures from the KNIL side...



thx for amazing pics... about story from Kopassus, please read biography of Benny Moerdani (writen by Julious Pour). Benny spent few month in papua jungle for guerilla mission...

[msam13]

Any News about "Wajib Militer" from people representative....?

Well, actually there is a plan (made by TNI AD if not mistaken) to train first 1000 people for "wajib militer". But, there are still lots of pro and contra for this issue. The representative argue that the cost is too high and unnecessary for this time while the army said if not now, then when..
For me, I don't think its necessarry in this time, more over, we already have menwa (resimen mahasiswa) as a reserve unit..

[ZAYYANA]

TRIKORA 1962...

These are some pictures from the KNIL side...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua1.jpg






From the first picture, I saw a man (right side) with UZI in the hand, is it right?

[fcaesarn]

^^ New story for me... thx for the Info... I also really surprised that local citizen was very loyal to the dutch...

[ZAYYANA]

^^ New story for me... thx for the Info... I also really surprised that local citizen was very loyal to the dutch...

I believed they loyal to the dutch coz of the dutch propaganda's. It's the same cases with the Indonesian before the Independence.

[digrar]

Please don't hotlink pictures, use a host, also if you must quote pictures, please only quote the one image that you want to comment on, not all of them.

[TheBroncos]

I believed they loyal to the dutch coz of the dutch propaganda's. It's the same cases with the Indonesian before the Independence.

It's the other way around. The original 'Indonesia Nusantara' idea comes during the Sriwijaya Kingdom. Few ions later, President Soekarno wanted his Nusantara which included Malacca, Singapore, Borneo, and West Papua -- Hence the 'Ganyang Malaysia,' Spec op in Singapore by Indonesian Marine Recon, and TRIKORA. Keep in mind, most Eastern Indonesians back then are Christians, animist, and somewhere in between. Eastern Indonesians also made up most of Indo-KNIL troops compare to other regions. They are not necessary anti-muslim, but the combination between Javanese domination in the govt and strong Soviet/Communist influence in the 60s, forced many to chose Dutch ruling or independence from Java.

When Soekarno announced TRIKORA, the TRI generals started propaganda war that the people of Papua wanted in, and started raising volunteer army. TRI by then were in disagreement with Soekarno's aggressive approached against the west (British Malaysia/Singapore, Dutch Papua), and his close relation to The Soviets -- This was very obvious where the TRI high command held back its best troops in Java, and only sent volunteers to Malaysia and Papua.

Another theory is that future president Soeharto was in negotiation with the CIA already. USA must withdraw support for PERMESTA, and DUTCH Papua, in exchange of TRI overthrowing the Communist leaning govt and replacing it w/ Pro West administration (Indo new govt must be democratic, separation of religion and state, limited term presidency were the three important point being pushed by the US), and most importantly Indonesia to get its 'Nusantara' without Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore (Not clear if Timor was mentioned). Keep in mind by this time, all TRI operation in the Papua had failed due lack of logistic, lack of serious deployment by front line units, and local Papua supports for the KNIL.

Long story short, after the agreement, US demanded the Dutch to the table or it would stop all US aid and loans to the Dutch (still recovering from the WWII). The US sponsored agreement was 'The New York Agreement' which officially gave West Papua to Indonesia and unofficially stopped any support for PERMESTA etc.

3 years later after much consolidation and positioning, Soeharto backed by the CIA made his move on Soekarno and replaced his government with pro-WEST one. The event which locally called 'G30S PKI' are still hotly debated. I ll reserve my opinion on this one p-):)

In conclusion, The Dutch lost its colony, Indonesia gained its Nusantara, and most important winner in this case, US moved Indonesia away from Soviets' sphere of influence to balance out Communist China and soon Vietnam.

It's very interesting to read the local history as part of global one.

Here is few more just keep this officially 'picture thread' :)

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/papua8.jpg

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/soekarno.jpg

BTW I'd love to chat w/ any Dutch Indo to compare note. I tried to translate some Dutch history and its too time consuming. Most of the readings I have are from US and Indo. I am sure The Dutch have its own version too.

PS.. these images are hosted by my server.

[TheBroncos]

From the first picture, I saw a man (right side) with UZI in the hand, is it right?

Yes, it's the early version uzi from the mid 50s. I posted another picture above where it clearly shows the UZI :)

[TheBroncos]

thx for amazing pics... about story from Kopassus, please read biography of Benny Moerdani (writen by Julious Pour). Benny spent few month in papua jungle for guerilla mission...


Found it!! woot http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9798313038?ie=UTF8&tag=httpwwwgoodco-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=9798313038&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2

[katon]

what's the different between SU30-MK2 TNIAU with SU30-MKM TUDM ?

[karbol]

what's the different between SU30-MK2 TNIAU with SU30-MKM TUDM ?

a lot....

MK2 made by KNAAPO. MKM made by Irkuts. MKM use TVC, Canard and AESA. MK2 dont have it all...

[karbol]

It's the other way around. The original 'Indonesia Nusantara' idea comes during the Sriwijaya Kingdom. Few ions later, President Soekarno wanted his Nusantara which included Malacca, Singapore, Borneo, and West Papua

are you sure... i thought the idea of Nusantara came from Majapahit or Dutch Indies...




-- Hence the 'Ganyang Malaysia,' Spec op in Singapore by Indonesian Marine Recon, and TRIKORA. Keep in mind, most Eastern Indonesians back then are Christians, animist, and somewhere in between. Eastern Indonesians also made up most of Indo-KNIL troops compare to other regions. They are not necessary anti-muslim, but the combination between Javanese domination in the govt and strong Soviet/Communist influence in the 60s, forced many to chose Dutch ruling or independence from Java.

When Soekarno announced TRIKORA, the TRI generals started propaganda war that the people of Papua wanted in, and started raising volunteer army. TRI by then were in disagreement with Soekarno's aggressive approached against the west (British Malaysia/Singapore, Dutch Papua), and his close relation to The Soviets -- This was very obvious where the TRI high command held back its best troops in Java, and only sent volunteers to Malaysia and Papua.


and about TRI disagreement about Konfrontation, only the Army dont agree with Soekarno. the Airforce and navy, are fully on Soekarno back...



Another theory is that future president Soeharto was in negotiation with the CIA already. USA must withdraw support for PERMESTA, and DUTCH Papua, in exchange of TRI overthrowing the Communist leaning govt and replacing it w/ Pro West administration (Indo new govt must be democratic, separation of religion and state, limited term presidency were the three important point being pushed by the US), and most importantly Indonesia to get its 'Nusantara' without Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore (Not clear if Timor was mentioned). Keep in mind by this time, all TRI operation in the Papua had failed due lack of logistic, lack of serious deployment by front line units, and local Papua supports for the KNIL.

Long story short, after the agreement, US demanded the Dutch to the table or it would stop all US aid and loans to the Dutch (still recovering from the WWII). The US sponsored agreement was 'The New York Agreement' which officially gave West Papua to Indonesia and unofficially stopped any support for PERMESTA etc.

3 years later after much consolidation and positioning, Soeharto backed by the CIA made his move on Soekarno and replaced his government with pro-WEST one. The event which locally called 'G30S PKI' are still hotly debated. I ll reserve my opinion on this one p-):)

In conclusion, The Dutch lost its colony, Indonesia gained its Nusantara, and most important winner in this case, US moved Indonesia away from Soviets' sphere of influence to balance out Communist China and soon Vietnam.

It's very interesting to read the local history as part of global one.

there are no longer PERMESTA (and also PRRI) when Indonesia start TRIKORA campaign. the US stop support PERMESTA after the shoot down of Allen Pope. by then, Indonesia receive brand new C-130B hercules in exchange of Allen pope. thats made Indonesia first foreign customer of the Herky... damn good diplomacy!!

[katon]

a lot....

MK2 made by KNAAPO. MKM made by Irkuts. MKM use TVC, Canard and AESA. MK2 dont have it all...



Ohhh... thanks a lot. Good answer. I just bought Angkasa feb09 and found an article about MK2.

[karbol]

Ohhh... thanks a lot. Good answer. I just bought Angkasa feb09 and found an article about MK2.

Angkasa in Malaysia? wow...!! where do you bought it?

[katon]

Angkasa in Malaysia? wow...!! where do you bought it?

hahhahah
I'm not missed to buy angkasa, commando, defender etc since working in Jakarta. So, last week my friend just went back to KL for vacation. He brought Angkasa & Suria 16 (not 4 me aahhh)

[TheBroncos]

are you sure... i thought the idea of Nusantara came from Majapahit or Dutch Indies...




and about TRI disagreement about Konfrontation, only the Army dont agree with Soekarno. the Airforce and navy, are fully on Soekarno back...



there are no longer PERMESTA (and also PRRI) when Indonesia start TRIKORA campaign. the US stop support PERMESTA after the shoot down of Allen Pope. by then, Indonesia receive brand new C-130B hercules in exchange of Allen pope. thats made Indonesia first foreign customer of the Herky... damn good diplomacy!!


You are correct.. I kept on relating Gajah Mada with Sriwijaya instead of Majapahit and I grew up on JL. Gajah Mada :bash:

As far as the rest, I tried to summarize a decade worth of events in a few paragraphs. TRIKORA started at the end of 1960, the US was still supporting PERMESTA indirectly by not cutting its supply route to our Northern neighbor. PERMESTA ground force was still very active and enjoying sporadic arm supplies from 'PERMESTA members' in The Philippine upto 1960 and trickled down to few sectional rebellions in the 1961.

couple good reading to compare..
http://books.google.com/books?id=lf5TUoHfeM8C&printsec=frontcover

Hints of US Navy operation in 1960-61 in Sulawesi/Maluku area...
http://cip.cornell.edu/DPubS?service=Repository&version=1.0&verb=Disseminate&view=body&content-type=pdf_1&handle=seap.indo/1107127740#

http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=150

[karbol]

Found it!! woot http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9798313038?ie=UTF8&tag=httpwwwgoodco-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=9798313038&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2

also you can read Kopassus book writen by Ken Conboy

http://rapidshare.com/files/96648332/Kopassus.rar.html

:)

[bambu runcing]

All in all, not Indonesian win the price of TRIKORA
It is US who got the biggest copper and gold mine in the world... Grassberg mountain di Tembagapura.

Tembagapura copper (formally) mine run by Freeport McMorran, small company later to be one of big mine company thanx to Indonesian govt who willingly trade Papua territory with 30 years mine contract from 1966 to 1996 and extended for another term until 2026.

Tembagapura mine kept hostage by US for not supporting the Papuan independence. Indonesian still has 15 years to develop Papua. Wealth will drive the people to throw the dream of independence away. If Indonesian govt fail to do so, Papuan Independence than followed by Aceh or other region will be the last thing to consider




It's the other way around. The original 'Indonesia Nusantara' idea comes during the Sriwijaya Kingdom. Few ions later, President Soekarno wanted his Nusantara which included Malacca, Singapore, Borneo, and West Papua -- Hence the 'Ganyang Malaysia,' Spec op in Singapore by Indonesian Marine Recon, and TRIKORA. Keep in mind, most Eastern Indonesians back then are Christians, animist, and somewhere in between. Eastern Indonesians also made up most of Indo-KNIL troops compare to other regions. They are not necessary anti-muslim, but the combination between Javanese domination in the govt and strong Soviet/Communist influence in the 60s, forced many to chose Dutch ruling or independence from Java.

When Soekarno announced TRIKORA, the TRI generals started propaganda war that the people of Papua wanted in, and started raising volunteer army. TRI by then were in disagreement with Soekarno's aggressive approached against the west (British Malaysia/Singapore, Dutch Papua), and his close relation to The Soviets -- This was very obvious where the TRI high command held back its best troops in Java, and only sent volunteers to Malaysia and Papua.

Another theory is that future president Soeharto was in negotiation with the CIA already. USA must withdraw support for PERMESTA, and DUTCH Papua, in exchange of TRI overthrowing the Communist leaning govt and replacing it w/ Pro West administration (Indo new govt must be democratic, separation of religion and state, limited term presidency were the three important point being pushed by the US), and most importantly Indonesia to get its 'Nusantara' without Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore (Not clear if Timor was mentioned). Keep in mind by this time, all TRI operation in the Papua had failed due lack of logistic, lack of serious deployment by front line units, and local Papua supports for the KNIL.

Long story short, after the agreement, US demanded the Dutch to the table or it would stop all US aid and loans to the Dutch (still recovering from the WWII). The US sponsored agreement was 'The New York Agreement' which officially gave West Papua to Indonesia and unofficially stopped any support for PERMESTA etc.

3 years later after much consolidation and positioning, Soeharto backed by the CIA made his move on Soekarno and replaced his government with pro-WEST one. The event which locally called 'G30S PKI' are still hotly debated. I ll reserve my opinion on this one p-):)

In conclusion, The Dutch lost its colony, Indonesia gained its Nusantara, and most important winner in this case, US moved Indonesia away from Soviets' sphere of influence to balance out Communist China and soon Vietnam.

It's very interesting to read the local history as part of global one.

Here is few more just keep this officially 'picture thread' :)





BTW I'd love to chat w/ any Dutch Indo to compare note. I tried to translate some Dutch history and its too time consuming. Most of the readings I have are from US and Indo. I am sure The Dutch have its own version too.

PS.. these images are hosted by my server.

[ggk]

Two Air Force jets receive missile lock-on threat in South Sulawesi

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 02/20/2009 2:39 PM | National
Two of the Air Force's newly procured Sukhoi SU-30 jets received unknown missile lock-on threats while practicing an air interception scenario in air space around South Sulawesi on Friday morning.

Sultan Hasnuddin Air Force base commander First Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said there was a pilot and a Russian instructor onboard each jet during the practice when their warning system indicated that missiles might have been about to be fired at them.

“I received the report at 09:00 a.m. local time (08:00 Jakarta time),” he said as quoted by kompas.com.

Dunia said both jets were flying at 5,000 above sea level when they registered the threat.

“We haven't figured out who send the threat. We have sent a surveillance plane to comb a 370 kilometer radius area around the Makassar radio navigation ground station, but it has been to no avail,” he said.

Dunia said that he had confirmed that there was no report of foreign aircraft asking any permission to enter the airspace. (dre)

link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/20/two-air-force-jets-receive-missile-lockon-threat-south-sulawesi.html

**********
:-(
my info said the threat came from sea/land... anyone have more info?

News / National / Article

Markus Junianto Sihaloho
New Sukhoi Jets ‘Attacked’ by Malfunctions


Two of the Air Force’s three new Russian-made Sukhoi jet fighters were struck with what are believed to be minor mechanical problems during a training session over the Makassar Strait on Friday.

Air Force spokesman Air Commodore Chaeruddin Ray said two SU-30MK2 fighters, each flown by one Indonesian and one Russian pilot, were undergoing interception exercises when an alarm signalled in both aircraft that they were under attack from a foreign jet fighter.

The pilots reported the warnings to the Makassar Airbase, which ordered both fighters to return to base where they landed without incident, Chaeruddin said.

He rejected suggestions that there was another aircraft trying to engage the two Sukhois, saying radar evidence around Makassar had not detected any other fighter aircraft above Sulawesi Island.

“After the report [from the Sukhoi pilots], a surveillance aircraft was also deployed to search, but no other aircraft was found.”

Chaeruddin said data collected by the Air Force led to the conclusion that the two Sukhois’ “lock system,” which detects enemy weapons targeting, had malfunctioned.

“Technicians from Russia are already [at Makassar Airbase] to check and repair the aircraft,” he said.

The Air Force previously dealt with an unnerving incident in 2003 when two of its F-16 jet fighters made contact with five F-18 Hornet jet fighters belonging to the US Navy, which had earlier been found maneuvering above Bawean Island, Central Java Province, for more than two hours.

Both sides’ jet fighters were close to firing at each other as the F-18 fighters went into attack mode and had their missiles locked on Indonesia’s planes.

It ended with a communication of peace between the pilots after one of the F-16 fighters was able to indicate they were not a threat.

[Master Chief]

a lot....

MK2 made by KNAAPO. MKM made by Irkuts. MKM use TVC, Canard and AESA. MK2 dont have it all...

Others:
TNI-AU: takes more than five years to complete one squadron.
TUDM: one full squadron has been ordered & expected to arrive in full.

[TheBroncos]

KARBOL, thank you! I owe you one! -- Downloading now.

Bambu Runcing.. sad isn't it, US companies also have pretty much exclusive rights to all exploration etc etc etc.

:bash:

[TheBroncos]

News / National / Article

He rejected suggestions that there was another aircraft trying to engage the two Sukhois, saying radar evidence around Makassar had not detected any other fighter aircraft above Sulawesi Island.

“After the report [from the Sukhoi pilots], a surveillance aircraft was also deployed to search, but no other aircraft was found.”

Chaeruddin said data collected by the Air Force led to the conclusion that the two Sukhois’ “lock system,” which detects enemy weapons targeting, had malfunctioned.

“Technicians from Russia are already [at Makassar Airbase] to check and repair the aircraft,” he said.


Russian Tech: :::shaking his head::: 'it's solar flare' :)

[karbol]

RAIDER unit... photo credit to Majalah Defender...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider5.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider3.jpg

[karbol]

Russian Tech: :::shaking his head::: 'it's solar flare' :)

next time, before flying the Flanker, dont forget to ask the technician to put the sun block on the Flanker...roflrofl

[henzai]

Russian Tech: :::shaking his head::: 'it's solar flare' :)

nope
its western radar with russian unit problem...they always identify them as enemies...:fork:

[bambu runcing]

Are those the same digital cammo? I kinda like the wet one .... p-)



RAIDER unit... photo credit to Majalah Defender...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider2.jpg



http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider3.jpg

[wesuper]

i luv the raider cammo

IMHO just for information


Juragan2 ini preview komunitas FORMIL di majalah DEFENDER edisi Februari 2009 (3 halaman).:thumbup: Artikelnya gw sendiri yg tulis :Peace:.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/829/defenderfeb09iq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By dsofandi (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/dsofandi)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5643/defenderfeb093cp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By dsofandi (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/dsofandi)

COVER DEFENDER FEBRUARI 2009:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2273/coverfeb094pf0.jpg

:

it was an INDONESIAN military comunity ( FORMIL) was being issues in page on DEFENDER magazine .

credit to dsofandi and defender

[Yahoo!]

maybe there's someone wanted to test the TNI-AU SU30 electronics and aviation systems... same happened when RMAF receiving their new SU30MKM. during the Independence Day Celebration on 2007 there are several reports on someone or something are trying to test or spying RMAF SU30MKM systems...

This is interesting. But who would want to test them? And how do you go about testing? Very fishy ha ha.

I dont know how the RWR works...is it possible that the Air Defence radars on the ground triggered the Sukhois, so looks like locked on?

[katon]

This is interesting. But who would want to test them? And how do you go about testing? Very fishy ha ha.

I dont know how the RWR works...is it possible that the Air Defence radars on the ground triggered the Sukhois, so looks like locked on?

yA...Itsss come from USS *** which 'park' at Port Klang

[mr. kurien]

This is interesting. But who would want to test them? And how do you go about testing? Very fishy ha ha.

I dont know how the RWR works...is it possible that the Air Defence radars on the ground triggered the Sukhois, so looks like locked on?

it's electronically spy... they use all the eletronics gadget they have to test all the SU30MKM configurations... i mean everything is done by electronics. i dont wanna say who or what but they done it already and also capable to do it.

[Master Chief]

RAIDER unit... photo credit to Majalah Defender...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/raider2.jpg



Nice try to be magazine cover boys, but err... excuse me... don't you think it'll be better to remove the scope cover, especially if your style is like aiming the rifle & ready to pull the trigger. :)

[Master Chief]

Are those the same digital cammo? I kinda like the wet one .... p-)

I thought that Raider digipat has been disbanded officialy by Cilangkap sometimes ago.

[DavidDCM]

Those are low-light-level scopes (night vision). During daytime you leave the cover on because the tiny black dot in the middle is actually a small hole that lets enough light in.

Similar to this pic. Everybody made fun of Georgie-Boy, but he makes everything right.

http://www.abload.de/img/bush-fernglas_g3jc4.jpg

[ZAYYANA]

I thought that Raider digipat has been disbanded officialy by Cilangkap sometimes ago.

Probably you are wrong, coz they still wear it.

[mr. kurien]

why want to disbanded that camou? its a beautiful camou...

[ZAYYANA]

Yeah Master Chief, why it's disbanded..?

[karbol]

pics from another forum... photo credit to ajiboon@kaskus.us

nice to see our military use local made vehicle


HUT den bravo 90 AU, yg tadinya renc tgl 12 karna latma menado jadi tgl 27 jumat pagi kemarin, di markas yg baru di rumpin bogor.


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090643a.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090641a.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090649a.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090652a.jpg

[karbol]

another pics.. credit to ajiboon@kaskus.us


Sambungan..



http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090659a.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090665a.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/P1090673a.jpg

[ZAYYANA]

More photo's please....

[karbol]

Indonesia Army Bell 205A-1

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/205-4.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/205-5.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/205-3.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/205-2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/205-1.jpg

[DavidDCM]

http://www.abload.de/img/tiger2n38q.jpg


Hunting for tiger: Forest rangers sweep an area after a Sumatran tiger was spotted during their search for a tiger that is believed to have killed 3 men at a palm oil plantation in Sungai Gelam, Jambi province on Sumatra island, Indonesia, Sunday, Feb. 8, 2009.

Armed with a Beretta PM12S

[dewafrost]

one question, what is raider unit???
are they airborne unit or special forces???

[nata4190]

one question, what is raider unit???
are they airborne unit or special forces???

Specialized Light Infantry, some airborne, some not.

[karbol]

Armed with a Beretta PM12S

actually the SMG are Pindad PM-1A1. it's a copy from beretta...

more pics of Jungle Police... please id the weapon..


nih gue ada lagi pic Polhut SPORC (Satuan Polisi Hutan Reaksi Cepat) Brigade Elang
Spoiler
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq249/rsbr/DSC02247.jpg

[samourai]

it is a version in 12 gauge of the kalashnikov probably saiga.

[bambu runcing]

This is Vepr-12, 12 gauge shotgun from Russia made by Molot factory.
Vepr-12 is a direct competitor of Saiga. It has a protruded magazine housing style like in M-16 and visible gas tube just like AK.




actually the SMG are Pindad PM-1A1. it's a copy from beretta...

more pics of Jungle Police... please id the weapon..

[karbol]

Russia’s missile sale to Indonesia upsets DRDO


NEW DELHI, JULY 19: Moscow’s decision to sell anti-ship cruise missiles to Indonesia without keeping Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace in the loop has left many red faces at DRDO, the equal Indian partner in the company. Apart from looking at Moscow’s proposed sale, as well as outside contractual bounds, DRDO is concerned that the sale would eat into the BrahMos missile’s market and therefore affect profits even before the missile has made its first sale abroad.
While the DRDO responded to a detailed questionnaire sent by The Indian Express by saying that its chief M Natarajan was ‘‘not going to Russia concerning the sale of any missile’’, top sources have confirmed that Natarajan is leaving for Moscow on July 19, and his agenda there includes sorting out this new disagreement.
When asked about Russia’s sale to Indonesia, and the fact that it was not being routed through BrahMos Aerospace as is stipulated in the terms and conditions of the joint venture, DRDO simply provided a definition of what BrahMos Aerospace does ‘‘concerned with the sale of BrahMos missile.’’




Last month, Defence Secretary Shekhar Dutt first conveyed DRDO’s anxieties when he met Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov in Moscow. BrahMos Aerospace Managing Director and DRDO Chief Controller (missiles) A Sivathanu Pillai also made known India’s concerns to Russia’s Deputy Defence Minister Mikhail Dmitriyev. Pillai could not be reached for comment. DRDO perceives Moscow’s move to sell Yakhont missiles -- the prototype on which the BrahMos was developed -- to be inexplicable, since the programme was specifically entered into to ‘‘deploy BrahMos missile system in the Indian and Russian armed forces and also to export to friendly countries.’’
Sources said Moscow has justified the sale by indicating that talks with Indonesia have been on for three years.
Late last month PM Manmohan Singh visited the BrahMos Aerospace complex in the Delhi cantonment and exhorted the missile’s ‘‘immense export potential’’, a visit where he also made it a point to call Russia a ‘‘traditional and trusted supplier of defence systems.’’



link: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/russias-missile-sale-to-indonesia-upsets-drdo/8846/


************


its an old article, but i just found it now... are we already have yakhont?:roll:

[Master Chief]

Specialized Light Infantry, some airborne, some not.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but what is the difference with Kostrad infantry batallion then ? Some are airborne, some are not.

Let me further asking; how about Marines infantry batallion ?

[DavidDCM]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5439/610xw.jpg

Anti-terror police holding rifles take part in an anti-terror drill at the police headquarters in Jakarta March 4, 2009. More than 18,000 police personnel have been prepared to ensure security during Indonesia's parliamentary election on April 9 and the presidential election July 8, the Jakarta's police chief Wahyono said on Wednesday. *******

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2793/610xe.jpg

Indonesian marines of a task force that will be deployed to back up the national police in providing security in the upcoming elections are splashed with water during a drill at their headquarters in Jakarta, Indonesia, Wednesday, March 4, 2009. Indonesia will hold its parliamentary election in April and second direct presidential elections in July. AP Photo

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/944/610xp.jpg

Anti-riot police take part in a drill at police headquarters in Jakarta March 4, 2009. More than 18,000 police personnel have been prepared to guard Indonesia's parliamentary election on April 9 and the presidential election on July 8, Jakarta's police chief Wahyono said on Wednesday. *******

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7249/610xpya.jpg

Anti-riot police form a line to block mock demonstrators during an anti-riot drill at the police headquarters in Jakarta March 4, 2009. More than 18,000 police personnel have been prepared to ensure security during Indonesia's parliamentary election on April 9 and the presidential election July 8, the Jakarta's police chief Wahyono said on Wednesday. *******

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8197/610xx.jpg

Jakarta's police chief Wahyono (L) inspects an anti-riot police unit during a ceremony at the police headquarters in Jakarta March 4, 2009. More than 18,000 police personnel have been prepared to ensure security for Indonesia's parliamentary election on April 9 and the presidential election July 8, Wahyono said on Wednesday. *******

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Lancero1/marco09/20090304043816ENLUS0165453612361414.jpg

Indonesian marine soldiers attend an anti-riot drill at the marine headquarters in Jakarta, Indonesia, 04 March 2009. More than 3,000 marine soldiers have been prepared in the capital as 300,000 police officers would be deployed nation-wide to ensure security during the legislative elections on 09 April

[karbol]

^^thx david...:)

from forum militer kaskus. sea trial of KRI FRANS KAISEPO 368... last of our sigma class...

credit to Ambalat@kaskus.us


KRI Frans Kaisiepo 368
Setelah menyelesaikan Sea Trial. Commissioning 7 maret 2009. Maaf gak bisa datang :(
Special Thanx. Willem Kruit.

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http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q93/ambalat/Sigma%20corvettes/KRI368FransKaisiepocrew01WKruit.jpg

[karbol]

more...

credit to ambalat@kaskus.us


KRI Frans Kaisiepo 368 - Close Up

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q93/ambalat/Sigma%20corvettes/55667231.jpg
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Waiting for Commisioning
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q93/ambalat/Sigma%20corvettes/55667733.jpg

[indogtr19]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but what is the difference with Kostrad infantry batallion then ? Some are airborne, some are not.

Let me further asking; how about Marines infantry batallion ?

Yeah I don't see the point of having many special infantries performing the same task. I think it's a waste of money. How bout just kopassus, marine and kopaska, one big airborne unit, and one big counter-terrorism unit. Just my opinion.

[ZAYYANA]

Any news about Libyan donation (eks soviet BMP(?))...? and what about South Korean LVTP that gives to Indonesian Marines?

[nata4190]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but what is the difference with Kostrad infantry batallion then ? Some are airborne, some are not.

Let me further asking; how about Marines infantry batallion ?

Raider is organic to a territorial command (KODAM), they are the light infantry strike force (Pasukan Pemukul) for that KODAM. Kostrad is the national strategic reserve, the strike force in the event of a national emergency

Marine Infantry battalion are supposed to be unique to support beach landings and amphibuous assault even though in eventuality, marine inf can also be deployed as a national security instrument.

[nata4190]

Yeah I don't see the point of having many special infantries performing the same task. I think it's a waste of money. How bout just kopassus, marine and kopaska, one big airborne unit, and one big counter-terrorism unit. Just my opinion.

This is a dead horse..we have discussed the heck out this topic

[mengkom]

check it out! found it on kaskus..
http://upload.kapanlagi.com/images/thumb/20090308165410_3327171653_5454bb8f03_49b395c231973-t.jpg (http://upload.kapanlagi.com/h/20090308165410_3327171653_5454bb8f03_49b395c231973.jpg)
a sidecar used by indonesian marines, anyone know what type is it? does sidecar still commonly used by indo military?

[Ronguild]

check it out! found it on kaskus..
http://upload.kapanlagi.com/images/thumb/20090308165410_3327171653_5454bb8f03_49b395c231973-t.jpg (http://upload.kapanlagi.com/h/20090308165410_3327171653_5454bb8f03_49b395c231973.jpg)
a sidecar used by indonesian marines, anyone know what type is it? does sidecar still commonly used by indo military?

look like an URAL "gear-up". I'm not sure.

[karbol]

more clear pics of the bike...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/motormarinir.jpg

[mengkom]

thx for the pic karbol..
at a glance it looks like becak (rickshaw):)
http://www.ventanasvoyage.com/images/Indonesia%20selects%203/Java/Rob-Becak.gif
so..any news about lodaya gatling gun, pistol serbu, panser cannon, mini subs, PTDI attack heli, PAL LHC?
i hope financial crisis doesn't affect the programs..

[toukairin]

In 2006 there was SS1 modified into bullup version called Pasopati. Any one knows any recent info about it?

Pasopati :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Spec.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati2.jpg

Ade Kusnadi - The Modifier :
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-AdiKusnadimodifierSS1AKMPa.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Detached.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/darkpole/Military/Pasopati-Inside.jpg

darkpole, I demand you to respect photography copyright. These pictures are mine, I took it from the Indodefence 2006. In fact, I'm the person on the left on the 3rd picture! Please quote where you "rob" these pictures from me! :fork:

[mr. kurien]

the one that holding and aiming the rifle? nice rifle BTW. 1st time to see it. :D

[karbol]

darkpole, I demand you to respect photography copyright. These pictures are mine, I took it from the Indodefence 2006. In fact, I'm the person on the left on the 3rd picture! Please quote where you "rob" these pictures from me! :fork:

i agree with you about respecting other works/right...
but just curious (and no offense). if you were in those picture, then who took it? so who's has the right?:roll:

[toukairin]

@karbol
well, it's easy. It's only some of the pics that I didn't take myself at the time... -_- I'm not that narcisstic, but at least I'd to be able to prove that I WAS there in Indodef 06... The rest of the pics, I took them myself. If you'd like to, just take a look at my facebook...

I took a lotsa pictures, and I can post some of them here, but hey, it's pretty outdated (more than 2 years ago, mind you).

BTW, Indodef 08 is the WORST Indodef among the 3 held ('04,'06,'08).. -_-

@nata4190
If I'm not wrong, Raider isn't always organic to the KODAM. Yes, there is that Raider-izing all the KODAM that creates the hundred series Raider battalion (100, 200, 300, etc, first digit corresponding to the respective KODAM numbering, CMIIW). But I see some TNI personnels are Raider qualified, and they're not part of the hundred series battalions.

[nata4190]

You're right toukarin. If I'm not mistaken there are a couple of raider batt under the 1st and 2nd Kostrad Infanteri division. The raider designation is unique in that it is a qualification and also a the nomenclature for a unit. Kinda like the rangers in the us. In fact the idea behind the creation of raider batt and qualification is strongly influenced by the rangers and the 75th ranger rgt.

[karbol]

@karbol
well, it's easy. It's only some of the pics that I didn't take myself at the time... -_- I'm not that narcisstic, but at least I'd to be able to prove that I WAS there in Indodef 06... The rest of the pics, I took them myself. If you'd like to, just take a look at my facebook...

I took a lotsa pictures, and I can post some of them here, but hey, it's pretty outdated (more than 2 years ago, mind you).

BTW, Indodef 08 is the WORST Indodef among the 3 held ('04,'06,'08).. -_-


it's ok to be narsis... hahahaha.... even my moto is, lebih baik narsis daripada eksis...roflrofl....

sometimes, somebody took my photo either. even a magazine in Malaysia and also Indonesia took my pics without permission!! that's why i decide to put watermark on my pics... i suggest you do the same thing...

btw, what is your facebook? link me via PM ok bro....:)

[darkpole]

darkpole, I demand you to respect photography copyright. These pictures are mine, I took it from the Indodefence 2006. In fact, I'm the person on the left on the 3rd picture! Please quote where you "rob" these pictures from me! :fork:

Dear toukairin,

I do really apologize for robbing you respective photos :(, never I intend to steel 'em or whatsoever. My mistakes for being such an ignorant on copyright issue. I was just curious for any recent regarding the bullup. I'd be very careful the next time I post photos in forum, thanks for the reminder.

PS. I couldn't found the link where a got those photos from, but I'll edit my related post as soon as I got it. :hug:

[toukairin]

it's ok to be narsis... hahahaha.... even my moto is, lebih baik narsis daripada eksis...roflrofl....

sometimes, somebody took my photo either. even a magazine in Malaysia and also Indonesia took my pics without permission!! that's why i decide to put watermark on my pics... i suggest you do the same thing...

btw, what is your facebook? link me via PM ok bro....:)\

ok, suggestion accepted! trying to look for a watermarking program... ACDSee would suffice?

@darkpole
ok, I understand... I'm just stunned that someone posted my pics without me getting noticed... Anyway, thanks for the effort. Maybe it's partly my fault too, not watermarking my pics -_-

BTW, additional info regarding the bullpup : Mr. Ade isn't allowed to let the weapon permanently modified... he said that after the show, he'd have to disassemble the weapon back to its original form.. Talk about not having any money for R&D, huh...

[karbol]

Indonesia and South Korea to boost defense ties




(RTTNews) - Indonesia and South Korea have signed agreements to enhance cooperation in defense, alternate energy, labor and tourism.
The visiting South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak and his Indonesian counterpart, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, signed the documents in Jakarta Friday after discussing the situation in the Korean peninsula, climate-change and the ongoing global economic crisis.
Addressing a joint press conference with Yudhoyono, Lee said they had agreed to strengthen bilateral relations in defense and industry of defense.
The two East Asian countries planned to cooperate in the development of jet-fighter projects.
Yudhoyono said they also agreed to boost investment and trade in oil and gas.
Trade between Indonesia and South Korea, which was $20 billion last year, will be further increased.
Lee will conclude his three-day visit Sunday.


link: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20090306\ACQRTT200903061047RTTRADERUSEQUITY_0695.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Indonesia%20and%20South%20Korea%20to%20boost%20defense%20ties


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are we going to produce T-50?

[Dr.Error]

T-50. last time i heard about this jet was in 2005

[Johanus Bau]

T-50. last time i heard about this jet was in 2005

The Hyundai of the jet trainer world! Cheap yet advanced... If Israel is thinking of using this to replace their trainers, it must be good....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/T-50_Golden_Eagle_over_Chungnam.jpg/800px-T-50_Golden_Eagle_over_Chungnam.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/T-50_Golden_Eagle_over_Chungnam.jpg)

[TheBroncos]

The Hyundai of the jet trainer world! Cheap yet advanced...

First great idea I hear for awhile out of TNI AU since hawks100/200s. I think TNI AU can do better with more advanced trainers than barely 1 sqd of SU30s. I miss those OV-10s and MK-53s :)

[Johanus Bau]

First great idea I hear for awhile out of TNI AU since hawks100/200s. I think TNI AU can do better with more advanced trainers than barely 1 sqd of SU30s. I miss those OV-10s and MK-53s :)

I totally agree! The OV-10s were awesome against GAM....

A sufficient number of cheap, formidable and fully equipped jet trainers/fighters such as the T-50 will end up being a lot better than a handful of over-priced under-equipped Sukhois...

[Kopassus]

I totally agree! The OV-10s were awesome against GAM....

A sufficient number of cheap, formidable and fully equipped jet trainers/fighters such as the T-50 will end up being a lot better than a handful of over-priced under-equipped Sukhois...
I still think the KO-1s are the best replacement for the OV-10Fs.

A-50s can only be armed with AIM-9s, AGM-65s and dumb weapons. They are not an improvement over our F-16A/B Block 15OCUs. A squadron of FULLY EQUIPPED Sukhois will be more powerfull than everything in TNI-AU inventory together.

[Johanus Bau]

I still think the KO-1s are the best replacement for the OV-10Fs.

A-50s can only be armed with AIM-9s, AGM-65s and dumb weapons. They are not an improvement over our F-16A/B Block 15OCUs. A squadron of FULLY EQUIPPED Sukhois will be more powerfull than everything in TNI-AU inventory together.

You are forgetting one thing Pak Kopassus.... the duit.

No money no honey.... Sukhois will be expensive to maintain in the long run. Our 10 Sukhois will do nothing against any of our neighbours' fighter aircraft... And once they bomb our airfields, we will be toothless....

[karbol]

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/NewImage.jpg

anyone wants to join?

[mr. kurien]

Mi35 hind?... i've got to join this... i hope... are you going there Karbol? takes some pics of that helo... one of my favourite helo

[karbol]

Mi35 hind?... i've got to join this... i hope... are you going there Karbol? takes some pics of that helo... one of my favourite helo

i'm afraid i can't join... but lot of my friends are. i hope they can give me some pics..

[mr. kurien]

i'm afraid i can't join... but lot of my friends are. i hope they can give me some pics..

ooo... hope they can took lots of pics for this thread. :)

[DavidDCM]

P2 Komando @ exhibition, MGK 2008

http://www.abload.de/img/0011j8td.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/001090bm.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/0012y9p5.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/0013e709.jpg

[DavidDCM]

P2 APC
http://www.abload.de/img/0031tbx6.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/0027ybob.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/0029z3u4.jpg

Shooting tests at the back door
Fired a Russian AK-47, a Chinese Type 56 (AK clone) and an M16 from 75 and 50 metres. No real harm, but it seems like the cover of the firing port was ripped off by the bullets.
http://www.abload.de/img/0019h0hh.jpg

© of this and the previous post: http://www.sse-armored.com

[TheBroncos]

I didnt realize it has solid axle.

[Kopassus]

Thanks David for the pics!
Strange they put pictures from the test on internet, normally its restricted information. But maybe they use this for marketing....

[msam13]

Nice to see the armoured vehicle prove the capabillity to those assault rifle. Anyone knows what unit will get those APC? My guess is prob kopassus..

And, Any news about the Sukhoi armament? Those missile and everything.. Just afraid if it comes as the old one (without any missile)

[karbol]

Nice to see the armoured vehicle prove the capabillity to those assault rifle. Anyone knows what unit will get those APC? My guess is prob kopassus..


Kopaska, Denjaka dan DenBravo already use it...

[karbol]

various 'unfamous' indo navy ship...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture006copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture007copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture008copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture012copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture013copy.jpg

[karbol]

ex WW2 LST...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture058copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture059copy.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/Picture059copy.jpg

[karbol]

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/LST-2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/LST-1.jpg

[Kopassus]

Thanks Karbol, never saw pictures on internet of KRI Teluk Amboina before!
Also nice pictures of the Frosch klas....

960: KRI Karimata? What type of ship it is?

[TheBroncos]

Tisza class coastal transports
Displacement: 2,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 74.5 x 11.3 x 4.6 meters/244.4 x 37 x 15 feet
Propulsion: 1 diesel, 1 shaft, 1000 bhp, 12 knots
Crew: 26
Cargo: 1,100 tons
Armament: 2 dual 14.5 mm

Concept/Program: Hungarian-built coastal freighers; operated by the Army until 1978. Many sisters stricken.
Builders: Angyalfold SY, Budapest, Hungary.

KRI Kamaraja is the name btw...
http://books.google.com/books?id=TJunjRvplU4C&pg=PA319&lpg=PA319&dq=Telaud/Tisza+class&source=bl&ots=wKl3ook30z&sig=vyJoAwmuXyQJYgzuRM6VTs1yHrg&hl=en&ei=x5y-SYDcLJqqtQOEzfHqCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=resultNumber Name Year FLT Homeport Notes959 Teluk Mentawi 196?/78 PAC960 Karamaja 195?/78 PAC

[Ominae]

The more common yellow and red version..
http://photos-784.friendster.com/e1/photos/48/78/41038784/863545109l.jpg


Nice! Who made it?

[karbol]

credit to Twincam@kaskus.us


KRI 711 "pulau rengat" mine sweeper ship
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/noghe/DSC00001.jpg
nah klo ini berdampingan ama KRI 712 namanya gak tau uy
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/noghe/P1290011.jpg
nah klo yang ini tolong di komen aja yang ,gw juga blum tau asal armada mana n apa fungsinya...( dapet foto dari ngobok2 laptop )
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/noghe/S3020190.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/noghe/S3020196.jpg

[Aghost]

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/LST-2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/LST-1.jpg

It's look like they put container wall on the ship, looks very ugly, are those kind modification was a cheap way due to limited budget?

[DavidDCM]

No, they were built this way. These ships are former 'Hoyerswerda' class landing ships (Nato codename 'Frosch') of the East German Navy built in the 1970's.

[karbol]

NDL-40... i guess this is a rare pics...

credit to corporaldjono@kaskus.us (corporaldjon@kaskus.us)


Nambah foto2 kolexi lama.... sy scan dari Sapujagad edisi th 2000.... :army:

NDL-40 :cool: :
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/kopraljono/Arsenal/Sapu1-1.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/kopraljono/Arsenal/Sapu3.jpg

[mr. kurien]

if not mistaken, this MRL is locally made... isn't it?