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TheBroncos

04-23-2009, 06:35 PM

the ntw-20 magazine designed to fed from the side because the ammo was so heavy. so it would be more efficient with the side magazine configuration..

i read it from ".50 cal long range sniper rifle" published by commando

btw salam kenal semuanya :)

Welcome...

The heavier the ammo, the more sense it makes to have a top or bottom lmag well. A heavy one sided mag got to affect the way you shoot. I had a 90rd one sided drum on AR before. It's annoyingly heavy on one side. (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG055-36.html)

As far as the free birds... I say TAKE THEM ALL. You can retire them anytime if the AU feel they are more of burden than an effective combat asset. The reason TNI doesn't like free stuffs is because there won't be MONEY changing hands... so there wont be any kind of kick back. Bah! :bash:

Here is the old news on the Mirage 2000
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/03/indonesia-turned-down-offer-of-mirage.html

karbol

04-24-2009, 07:03 AM

credit to Razabanjar@kaskus.us

wah, kalau gak ada gambar mesti deh pada kelahi.

dah aku kasih gambar lagi. Kayanya belum pernah ada yang upload.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu40/razabanjar/20080616WIK016_TRIBUN-pesawat.jpg

pemasangan roket pada hawk. Kayanya ni pesawat pendek (rendah) aja ya?

Kopassus

04-24-2009, 08:36 AM

credit to Razabanjar@kaskus.us
Thanks for the Mk109 pic!
Yes, the Mk67 will be a perfect replacement for our 2+4 Mk53s.

->Afatar: Selamat datang!
->Jagi: Our Mk53s are bought around 1980. We are the fourth costumer after GB (MkT1), Finland (Mk51) and Kenya(Mk52).
The Korean Mk67 are bought around 1992.
With 60 Hawks (20 Mk53, 8 Mk109 and 32 Mk209) we are also one of the biggest Hawkcustomers.

Jagi

04-24-2009, 11:16 AM

I have a question,between AU's Mk.53,Mk.109,and Mk.209 which one is the trainer version? Or maybe all of them are LCAs?

karbol

04-25-2009, 01:40 AM

I have a question,between AU's Mk.53,Mk.109,and Mk.209 which one is the trainer version? Or maybe all of them are LCAs?

Hawk Mk.53=Advance Trainer (but right now in TNI-AU also use as Light Attack. that's why the Mk-53 join the 15th Skad, not in Skadik)

Hawk 109=Advance Trainer/Light Attack. development from Mk.60 series. also can be use as LIFT

Hawk 209=Light Attack, development from 100's series

ZAYYANA

04-26-2009, 03:32 AM

Any news about eks Korean LVTP-7 and Hawk MK's.....? are they giving it to Indonesia

Kopassus

04-26-2009, 04:43 AM

Know nothing about the LVTP-7s.

Malaysia has the newest air defence toys (Jernas), while we are still using primitive AAA.... :'( http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4087179&posted=1#post4087179

I 've read somewhere that TNI-AU isnt really happy about our Hawks. True or BS?

ZAYYANA

04-26-2009, 09:11 PM

I heard in the others News source that they had planned to give it to Indonesia, such as Libya wanna to give BTR-50.

Too bad that Indonesia has rejected to receive Qatar donation for their Mirage F1, coz as you people know it can be our museum collection.

karbol

04-27-2009, 02:27 AM

from this weekend pics

thx to supplanter

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5677/610xljj.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=610xljj.jpg)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1700/610xlkw.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=610xlkw.jpg)

thx to lancero

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/lancero555/abril09/20090426071235ENLUS0170943612407299.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/lancero555/abril09/20090426071352ENLUS0170943812407300.jpg

karbol

04-27-2009, 06:50 AM

photo from North Sea Boat

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336248_resized.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336249_resized.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336250_resized.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336251_resized.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336252_resized.jpg

link: http://gallery.northseaboats.com/#1.0

TheBroncos

04-27-2009, 08:04 PM

Good news for TNI

Rp 60t to root out evil in police, TNI, AGO

Rendi A. Witular , THE JAKARTA POST , JAKARTA | Mon, 04/27/2009 10:42 AM | Headlines

A black plastic shopping bag filled with dozens of white envelopes stuffed with cash is tucked under the work table of a detective chief in a police precinct in Central Jakarta.

The envelopes are the detective’s catch of the day, comprising kickbacks mostly from alleged petty criminals who earlier negotiated their price of release with the precinct police chief.

Each of the envelopes contains between Rp 2.5 million (US$238) and Rp 10 million, paid depending on the level of the alleged violations. The precinct deals with an average of 15 such cases per day.

Around 6 kilometers to the north in the vicinity of Jl. Hayam Wuruk, still in Central Jakarta, an Army lieutenant is leading a squad of soldiers working as bouncers for a notorious nightclub providing in-house prostitution and a store of ecstasy pills.

Such stories have for decades undermined public confidence in the security and military forces. But this pervasive dark side may soon see the light of reform. This is the pledge of State Minister for State Administrative Reform Taufiq Effendi.

Taufiq said more than Rp 60 trillion (US$5.71 billion) would be poured this year into reforming the police and military (TNI), and the Attorney General's Office with the aim of preventing them from continuing to extort the public and from protecting the bad guys.

Taufiq, who is also a senior Democratic Party politician, said this huge budget was justified given the large number of personnel involved and the complexity of these problems.

Aside for developing new working and performance evaluation systems and infrastructure, the funds will also be used to lift the shockingly poor welfare of the law enforcers and military personnel by providing them with much better benefits.

The lowest rank of police and military personnel and prosecutors will now get a double rise in monthly take-home pay to at least Rp 3 million, while police and military generals and high-ranking prosecutors will get around Rp 40 million, according to Taufiq.....................

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/04/27/rp-60t-root-out-evil-police-tni-ago.html

TheBroncos

04-27-2009, 08:14 PM

Kopassus

04-27-2009, 09:24 PM

couple other interesting news...

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/4/19/indonesiana-armored-vehicles-in-lebanon-need-spare-parts/

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/04/27/indonesia-us-a-new-partnership.html
I've read the article about the VABs before, but its a little bit confusing. It looks like that the 2nd batch of VABs (the 32 vehicles) are locally made/assembled by Pindad. But, afaik, all the VABs are Renault made. The first batch (18) brand new and the second one from 2006 (32) second/bekas. So it has nothing to do with the Pindad Anoa, using renault engines.

ayanami_tard

04-27-2009, 09:34 PM

Know nothing about the LVTP-7s.

Malaysia has the newest air defence toys (Jernas), while we are still using primitive AAA.... :'

jernas=rapier SHORADS

and i thought indonesia also have such system in service

TheBroncos

04-27-2009, 10:19 PM

Unfortunately, all Rapier, and RBS 70 are beyond their operation lifetime. They were to be replaced by the Polish Kobra and The Chinese 57mm + TD2000 system (QW3 manpads) :roll:. There were some talk about reviving the Rapier in 2001 by the Canadian. That didn't go anywhere.

There were corporation between Pindad and MBDA to produce tracked/mobile Mistral 2 in 2007. No clear outcome on this either.

IMHO, we couldve gone w/ mobile TY90 offered by Norinco (for the same price). Few batteries on each of main airfields for SA point defense would be a start :)

Rapier..
http://www.gatra.com/2008-01-08/versi_cetak.php?id=111028

Nah, menyangkut pengadaan barang dari luar negeri ini, Agustadi tampaknya masih punya pekerjaan yang harus dituntaskan. Yakni pekerjaan rumah peninggalan Jenderal Djoko Santoso. Ketika dilakukan uji kelayakan Panglima TNI di Komisi I DPR, awal Desember lalu, sejumlah persoalan menyangkut pengadaan di tubuh TNI-AD sempat dipertanyakan anggota DPR. Dari pengadaan ambulans TNI-AD hingga pengadaan sistem peluru kendali (rudal) pengganti Rapier yang sudah phasing out.

About Mistral 2

Mistral 2 (France), Man-portable surface-to-air missile systems

Type
Man-portable surface-to-air missile system (MANPADs)

Development
In 2000, it was revealed by MBDA, that production had switched to the Mistral 2 missile, with improved aerodynamics and other enhancements to improve its performance. The Mistral 2 is in service with the French Army, Navy and Air Force and several other countries. In December 2006, it was announced by MBDA that it would joint with Indonesia's PT Pindad to form an industrial partnership to market an Indonesian variant of the Atlas (Mistral 2) short-range air defence system based on Pindad's Light Military Vehicle. MBDA are hopeful that this will fill the Indonesian requirement for a mobile, quick reaction, vehicle-mounted missile system for protection against fast and highly manoeuvrable aerial targets. During September 2007, it was announced that an Evolved Mistral has been developed with the primary aim for inclusion with the MMS (Multi-Mission System) mounted on vehicles such as the Thor and Spanish VAMTAC. This Evolved Starstreak has been designed with the low-level, low-signature airborne threats in mind such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and cruise missiles. The evolved Starstreak has an extended range, altitude and precision.

karbol

04-28-2009, 12:38 AM

photo from TNI-AL and US Navy join exercise (CARAT)...

LINK: http://www.clwp.navy.mil/CARAT_2008/main.HTML

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060712-N-4104L-075.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060712-N-4104L-098.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4990T-001.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/080312-N-0807W-098.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/080312-N-0807W-093.jpg

karbol

04-28-2009, 12:41 AM

more...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4104L-015.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4990T-003.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-004.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-005.jpg

KRI DEWA RUCI.. also taken from CARAT website.. it must be taken during Dewaruci visit to US..

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-004.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-005.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-006.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-008.jpg

karbol

04-28-2009, 12:43 AM

last one... makes me wonder, who win the game...roflrofl

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060718-N-4104L-041.jpg

ayanami_tard

04-28-2009, 12:48 AM

Unfortunately, all Rapier, and RBS 70 are beyond their operation lifetime....

the missile or the system itself?

Kopassus

04-28-2009, 05:06 AM

Thanks for the pics Karbol!

Pswt latihan Disnerbal mendarat darurat di Semarang.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-semarang.html (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-semarang.html)
http://www.angkasa-online.com/read/news/992/tb-10.tni.al.jatuh.di.lanud.ahmad.yani.semarang

(Note: The aircraft is a Socata Tobago 10 GT (http://www.socata.org/models/ (http://www.socata.org/models/)) So its not a "Cessna" or "Tobacco 10"

Kopassus

04-28-2009, 05:11 AM

photo from North Sea Boat

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336248_resized.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/1215336252_resized.jpg

link: http://gallery.northseaboats.com/#1.0
Nice boats!! Indigenious made? Just prototypes or also on order by our armed forces/police?

->Ayanami_retard: The missiles are kadaluarsa.

ayanami_tard

04-28-2009, 06:34 AM

The missiles are kadaluarsa.

what?

EDIT:kadaluarsa=expired lol

any particular reason why it isn't being upgrade?
countries like singapore and brunei also used them and they are still active in service

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karbol

04-28-2009, 07:15 AM

what?

EDIT:kadaluarsa=expired lol

any particular reason why it isn't being upgrade?
countries like singapore and brunei also used them and they are still active in service

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embargo my friend...:-(

that's why today we dont want any brits weapon again... go straight to china, poland and rusia...

karbol

04-28-2009, 07:18 AM

I've read the article about the VABs before, but its a little bit confusing. I at looks like that the 2nd batch of VABs (the 32 vehicles) are locally made/assembled by Pindad. But, afaik, all the VABs are Renault made. The first batch (18) brand new and the second one from 2006 (32) second/bekas. So it has nothing to do with the Pindad Anoa, using renault engines.

nope... the 32 VAB's aren't assembled by Pindad. in fact Pindad never assembled any VAB

TheBroncos

04-28-2009, 02:54 PM

more...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-004.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-005.jpg

Sig 551/2

Someone send me that rifle!!! :-(

jerukkisut

04-28-2009, 03:11 PM

isn't it SS1?
sorry if i'm wrong...

TheBroncos

04-28-2009, 03:57 PM

No, you are right. I just got excited whenever I see anything that looks like Sig551. Them, Fal, Cetme, Sig, all look alike sometimes. :oops:

Kopassus

04-28-2009, 09:29 PM

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-005.jpg
Whats that for a stupid exercise?
Shooting at a target from 2-3 meters with a assault rifle?
"Aim....take a deep breath....hold it ...FIRE!"

Taken from Angkasa:
28 April 2009

Empat Pesawat Hawk dukung Operasi Ambalat
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/COMMANDO/hawk1.jpg
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/COMMANDO/hawk%202.jpg
ANGKASA-ONLINE.COM - Untuk mengamankan wilayah udara perbatasan antara Malaysia dan Indonesia, sebanyak empat pesawat Hawk 100/200 disiagakan di Tarakan. Hal ini dilakukan dalam rangka mendukung Operasi Ambalat yang digelar setiap tahun oleh TNI AU. Operasi dilaksanakan untuk mengantisipasi hal-hal yang tidak diinginkan terutama di daerah perbatasan. Demikian rilis yang diterima Angkasa Pentak Lanud Balikpapan, kemarin.
Operasi ambalat ini didukung oleh personil dari Skadron Udara 1 Pontianak, Lanud Balikpapan dan Satuan Radar 225 Tarakan.
Operasi ambalat kali ini berlangsung selama lima hari. Personil dan pesawat pendukung telah datang sejak 26 April lalu dan akan diakhiri pada tanggal 1 Mei 2009. (Roni Sontani)

(The first picture is maybe a Goshawk)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/04/25/patrols-outer-islands-aru-intensified.html

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 01:31 AM

Whats that for a stupid exercise?
Shooting at a target from 2-3 meters with a assault rifle?
"Aim....take a deep breath....hold it ...FIRE!"

It looks like tactical exercise, a basic drawing drill more specifically.

Some tactical drill clips...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xigLquTCfNQ
This one has explanations to it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_WiEvPYBIc&feature=related

gend0

04-29-2009, 07:40 AM

This one has explanations to it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_WiEvPYBIc&feature=related

look at 1:05 rofl

karbol

04-29-2009, 08:01 AM

recently, my community visit Penerbad base at Semarang... and here you go...

credit to cakrabyuha@angkasareaders

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9881.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9888.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9843.jpg

i just found out that the TNI-AD already use colibri...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9892.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9897.jpg

karbol

04-29-2009, 08:03 AM

Mi-17

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0008.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0009.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0007.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0005.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0004.jpg

karbol

04-29-2009, 08:05 AM

we even had a joy flight with Mi-17woot

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0033.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0053.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_0054.jpg

garandman

04-29-2009, 08:08 AM

It is called "reflexive fire" practice. The objective is to build your reflex for weapon presentation, target acquisition, and engagement as quickly as possible. Basically it trains soldiers to shoot using less than perfect sight picture but still achieve respectable results at close range. Traditional sight picture acquisition requires 2 alignments in sequence:

1. sight alignment (aligning the rear aperture and the front sight post).
2. target to sight alignment (add target into the "picture" while maintaining the first alignment).

Reflexive fire simplifies the first alignment. In the method I was taught, you simply bring weapon to shoulder, obtain 'some' degree of cheek-weld, and use your front sight to acquire target. So the shooter does not get behind the rear aperture at all. This normally would make your POI (point-of-impact) to be higher than the perceived POA (point-of-aim). So, aim low is the norm. But you would want to aim a little low anyway at the distance this technique is expected to be used. By having your vantage point situated slightly above the rifle, you can see better what is in front of you. Being aware of your immediately front and sides is highly critical in close-range gunfight.

Once you are good, I am told that you can simply focus on the target, bring rifle to shoulder, and fire with accurate result without using any sighting at all. Purely reflexive in nature.

Now, the method above was created with iron sight in mind. Once you have a optical combat sight (like Aimpoint or Eotech) this method becomes moot point since you already have the device that allows you to by-pass the traditional 'sight-alignment'. But building the reflex of the soldier is still very important regardless what aiming device you use.

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Garand..

Since you are here.. have you shot PWS Diablo? Thoughts on it? :)

garandman

04-29-2009, 05:48 PM

Garand..

Since you are here.. have you shot PWS Diablo? Thoughts on it? :)

Never did, care to share?

I am old school. I don't care for SBR. It took me years to warm up to the carbine version of AR family.

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 05:55 PM

Never did either, but I should get it in about a week or so. :)

garandman

04-29-2009, 06:01 PM

You have Tax Stamp for SBR?

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 06:02 PM

Nah, going to shoot it w/ my pistol lower. I also just got bush .450 upper. It kicks like the garand.

garandman

04-29-2009, 06:04 PM

Hmmm .... I wonder if someone with CHL is 'crazy' enough to carry an AR pistol as his/her carry piece .... p-)

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 06:12 PM

Hmmm .... I wonder if someone with CHL is 'crazy' enough to carry an AR pistol as his/her carry piece .... p-)

LMAO... under your raincoat maybe. I never CC in CO... sometimes in the mountain I would OC my G19, but having one in the glove compartment is as far as I go around here. When I was in Texas, people OC all the time. People are too panicky in Colorado.

nata4190

04-29-2009, 09:30 PM

[QUOTE=Kopassus;4093085]http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-6954B-005.jpg
Whats that for a stupid exercise?
Shooting at a target from 2-3 meters with a assault rifle?
"Aim....take a deep breath....hold it ...FIRE!"

Point shooting, we use it alot in PJD (CQB) when you cant get proper sight picture and allignment. Its not as easy as it seems

garandman

04-29-2009, 09:41 PM

LMAO... under your raincoat maybe. I never CC in CO... sometimes in the mountain I would OC my G19, but having one in the glove compartment is as far as I go around here. When I was in Texas, people OC all the time. People are too panicky in Colorado.

What? Are you sure?? TX does not allow OC! Perhaps OK only in private properties.

There is a state legislation being pushed through the state senate now to:
1. Allow CC in state universities and colleges.
2. Allow OC all across the state and take away local gov. from passing ordnance to ban OC in each local jurisdiction.

I am hopeful #1 would come true. :)

Do you need a CHL to carry a loaded gun in your car in CO? Here we don't need a license for it. As long as you are 21 or older and not prohibited from possessing a gun, you can carry a loaded handgun anywhere in your vehicle (including on your person).

The G19 is a very versatile package, isn't it? Small enough to CC, yet large enough to hold comfortably with respectable capacity. I love my G19 too.

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 10:32 PM

What? Are you sure?? TX does not allow OC! Perhaps OK only in private properties.

There is a state legislation being pushed through the state senate now to:
1. Allow CC in state universities and colleges.
2. Allow OC all across the state and take away local gov. from passing ordnance to ban OC in each local jurisdiction.

I am hopeful #1 would come true. :)

Do you need a CHL to carry a loaded gun in your car in CO? Here we don't need a license for it. As long as you are 21 or older and not prohibited from possessing a gun, you can carry a loaded handgun anywhere in your vehicle (including on your person).

The G19 is a very versatile package, isn't it? Small enough to CC, yet large enough to hold comfortably with respectable capacity. I love my G19 too.

I was in the panhandle, and most of the ranchers carry. You might be right on the private land part. Those guys are crazy bunch. We had a hog feeder so close to the truck then they were daring each other to kill one w/ a knife.

You don't need CHL to have loaded gun in the car or work place in CO. Open carry is allowed unless you in certain townships -- even then for the sake of not being hassled by the local LE.

G19 is extremely reliable and handy. I was showing one along w/ a G21 to couple of AU purnawirawan, they weren't impressed. They thought there were toy guns at first :)

TheBroncos

04-29-2009, 10:50 PM

Credit to http://reinhardjambi.wordpress.com/

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/garuda02.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/garuda03.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/garuda04.jpg

nata4190

04-30-2009, 12:24 AM

I was in the panhandle, and most of the ranchers carry. You might be right on the private land part. Those guys are crazy bunch. We had a hog feeder so close to the truck then they were daring each other to kill one w/ a knife.

You don't need CHL to have loaded gun in the car or work place in CO. Open carry is allowed unless you in certain townships -- even then for the sake of not being hassled by the local LE.

G19 is extremely reliable and handy. I was showing one along w/ a G21 to couple of AU purnawirawan, they weren't impressed. They thought there were toy guns at first :)

@Broncos and Garandman

Nice to see a fellow gun enthusiast on this forum. I was born and raised in the south (TX and OK) and guns run in my blood.

I just wanted to solicit yall's opinions on CC positions. I was taught to carry my sidearm strong side high ride or IWB when i need deep concealement. I noticed that here in Indonesia, cops and military carry them crossdraw and unholstered. What do guyz think

TheBroncos

04-30-2009, 12:47 AM

Johanus Bau

04-30-2009, 01:05 AM

we even had a joy flight with Mi-17woot

Hey Karbol, which one is you?

Anyone have any pics of the recent riot in Jayapura by members of 751 Battalion? Apparently E Company rioted at their base after accusing their commander of misusing their money. They bashed up their deputy commander and trashed the commander's kediaman. Kasad had to go there and calm them down! Looks like a Letkol is in big trouble!

karbol

04-30-2009, 02:29 AM

Hey Karbol, which one is you?

p-)

Anyone have any pics of the recent riot in Jayapura by members of 751 Battalion? Apparently E Company rioted at their base after accusing their commander of misusing their money. They bashed up their deputy commander and trashed the commander's kediaman. Kasad had to go there and calm them down! Looks like a Letkol is in big trouble!

Army chief meets soldiers who rioted in Jayapura

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi Sasongko on Thursday held a closed-door dialog with members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani who rioted in Jayapura, Papua, the day before.

Sasongko arrived in Jayapura at 9:30 local time on Thursday morning for the dialog with the hundreds of soldiers who staged a violent demonstration outside their commander`s office on Wednesday.

Cenderawasih Military Command information officer Lt Col Susilo said the army chief wanted to obtain first-hand information from the soldiers about Wednesday`s incident.

"At the meeting, the men of Battalion 751 will have an opportunity to tell the army chief in person what is on their mind and therefore the meeting is closed to the media," Susilo said.

He said all members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani were present at the closed-door dialog with Gen Agustadi Sasongko.

Earlier, on Wednesday, hundreds of soldiers from Battalion 751 staged a rally outside their commander`s office to protest a cut in their welfare allowance.

They also protested against their chief`s decision to collect money from them to cover the costs of the transportation by air to Nabire of the body of one of their peers who had died, Private Joko, and his funeral.

The angry soldiers also fired shots into the air, beat up civilian onlookers and journalists trying to cover the incident, and pelted stones and other objects at the battalion`s headquarters.
(*)
link: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/4/30/army-chief-meets-soldiers-who-rioted-in-jayapura/

Danyon 751 Sentani Dicopot

Jayapura (ANTARA News) - Komandan Batalyon Infanteri 751/Berdiri Sendiri (BS), Sentani, Kabupaten Jayapura Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang dicopot dari jabatannya menyusul peristiwa mengamuknya ratusan anggota batalyon itu Rabu kemarin.

Kepala Staf Angkatan TNI Angkatan Darat Jenderal TNI Agustadi Sasongko Purnomo mengatakan hal itu usai berdialog dengan anggota Yonif 751 di Jayapura, Kamis.

Kemarin, ratusan prajurit batalyon ini mengamuk di dalam markas dengan merusak rumah dinas Danyon 751 Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang karena kesal hak-haknya seperti uang makan dan uang kesejahteraan lain dipotong.

Mereka juga jengkel komandannya mempersulit pemakaman jenazah seorang prajurit yang meninggal dunia akibat sakit.

Jenazah prajurit akan dimakamkan di Nabire, Papua, namun terkendala sewa pesawat mahal. Para prajurit lalu mengumpulkan uang agar jenazah dapat dimakamkan di Nabire.

Amuk prajurit reda setelah Pangdam XVII/Cinderawasih Mayjen TNI Azmin Yusri Nasution datang ke lokasi untuk berdialog dengan mereka dan berjanji memproses secara hukum Danyon 751. (*)

link: http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2009/4/30/danyon-751-sentani-dicopot/

nata4190

04-30-2009, 02:29 AM

For concealment and fast drawing sake.. I like strong side IWB... for 3 gun match, strong side OWB obviously. I have gotten myself a beer belly... drawing from weak side is like traveling across the globe for me :) rofl

I dont like to CC, because it's very hard to do so in the summer. I tend to wear polo and short most of the time. Make my day or castle law doesn't protect you in case of shoot out for self defense or not - and Denver cops tend to give us too much hassle even w/ the CCW.

The few LEOs I know prefer leg holster in tactical situation.

I wouldn't know why any LEOs who carry weak side w/o any holsters. But again, you don't expect to encounter too many guns in Indo I guess.

Most LEO in indo carry crossdraw unholstered even paspampres, as it offers better concealment, with those tiny .38s you can hardly see the gun print. But it drives me nuts to see them carry unholstered as gun metal and sweat dont mix to well not to mention the problem of defensive retension and retension while on the move. Thanks for your two cents

nata4190

04-30-2009, 02:34 AM

p-)

Army chief meets soldiers who rioted in Jayapura

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi Sasongko on Thursday held a closed-door dialog with members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani who rioted in Jayapura, Papua, the day before.

Sasongko arrived in Jayapura at 9:30 local time on Thursday morning for the dialog with the hundreds of soldiers who staged a violent demonstration outside their commander`s office on Wednesday.

Cenderawasih Military Command information officer Lt Col Susilo said the army chief wanted to obtain first-hand information from the soldiers about Wednesday`s incident.

"At the meeting, the men of Battalion 751 will have an opportunity to tell the army chief in person what is on their mind and therefore the meeting is closed to the media," Susilo said.

He said all members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani were present at the closed-door dialog with Gen Agustadi Sasongko.

Earlier, on Wednesday, hundreds of soldiers from Battalion 751 staged a rally outside their commander`s office to protest a cut in their welfare allowance.

They also protested against their chief`s decision to collect money from them to cover the costs of the transportation by air to Nabire of the body of one of their peers who had died, Private Joko, and his funeral.

The angry soldiers also fired shots into the air, beat up civilian onlookers and journalists trying to cover the incident, and pelted stones and other objects at the battalion`s headquarters.
(*)
link: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/4/30/army-chief-meets-soldiers-who-rioted-in-jayapura/

Danyon 751 Sentani Dicopot

Jayapura (ANTARA News) - Komandan Batalyon Infanteri 751/Berdiri Sendiri (BS), Sentani, Kabupaten Jayapura Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang dicopot dari jabatannya menyusul peristiwa mengamuknya ratusan anggota batalyon itu Rabu kemarin.

Kepala Staf Angkatan TNI Angkatan Darat Jenderal TNI Agustadi Sasongko Purnomo mengatakan hal itu usai berdialog dengan anggota Yonif 751 di Jayapura, Kamis.

Kemarin, ratusan prajurit batalyon ini mengamuk di dalam markas dengan merusak rumah dinas Danyon 751 Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang karena kesal hak-haknya seperti uang makan dan uang kesejahteraan lain dipotong.

Mereka juga jengkel komandannya mempersulit pemakaman jenazah seorang prajurit yang meninggal dunia akibat sakit.

Jenazah prajurit akan dimakamkan di Nabire, Papua, namun terkendala sewa pesawat mahal. Para prajurit lalu mengumpulkan uang agar jenazah dapat dimakamkan di Nabire.

Amuk prajurit reda setelah Pangdam XVII/Cinderawasih Mayjen TNI Azmin Yusri Nasution datang ke lokasi untuk berdialog dengan mereka dan berjanji memproses secara hukum Danyon 751. (*)

link: http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2009/4/30/danyon-751-sentani-dicopot/

The DANYON is akabri 92, he so deep in **** his eyes are turning brown. Its a shame that the he is like that, he deserves to be court martialed.

But on the other hands, I dont agree with the anarchic actions of the guys from 751. Puts shame to others wearing the uniform

karbol

04-30-2009, 02:41 AM

The DANYON is akabri 92, he so deep in **** his eyes are turning brown. Its a shame that the he is like that, he deserves to be court martialed.

But on the other hands, I dont agree with the anarchic actions of the guys from 751. Puts shame to others wearing the uniform

i agree with you. but i have a question, for a lower rank soldier, if you have a problem (with your superior officer or anything else), where you have to go?

nata4190

04-30-2009, 02:52 AM

i agree with you. but i have a question, for a lower rank soldier, if you have a problem (with your superior officer or anything else), where you have to go?

Thats the tricky part of the chain of command, your not supposed to by pass it. But if you have evidence of gross violation of the regulation, you can go one billet higher of the person you have grievances against (ANKUM of the officer you are having trouble with).

Another option is you can go to PROVOS if its criminally related

Kopassus

04-30-2009, 07:52 AM

Thanks for the news, info and pictures all.
=> Karbol: Great pics! I never saw a EC-120B from Penerbad before! I dont even know Penerbad have also the Colibri, besides Disnerbal dan AU! How much Colibris does Penerbad have?

<H1>Guilty soldiers will face sanctions: Military chief

Erwida Maulia , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 04/30/2009 3:53 PM | National
Indonesian Military Chief Gen. Djoko Santoso said Thursday sanctions would be imposed on those found guilty enticing soldiers to riot at the Sentani army base in Jayapura.

He said Army chief of staff Gen. Agustadi Sasongko was currently in Jayapura investigating the incident and questioning soldiers involved, and would legally process those found guilty, perhaps even in the military court.

“The army chief of staff is there now. The situation has been under control. I regret the incident and apologize to Sentani residents and to friends from the media, who must have been annoyed by the incident.

“We are waiting for a report from the Army chief of staff and will impose fair sanctions [on those found guilty],” Djoko told journalists after officially reporting the incident to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace.

The President has ordered him to immediately settle the problem.

The Jayapura army base erupted violently on Wednesday, as soldiers of Battalion 751 protested over the alleged embezzlement of their money by their commanding officer. The protest turned into a riot, coinciding with celebrations for West Papua's integration into Indonesia.

The soldiers demanded that the battalion's commander, Lieutenant Colonel Labok Sihotang, be held responsible for his actions. They questioned his decision requiring them to provide funds for the burial of their fellow soldier, Private Joko, in his hometown of Nabire, Papua.

These expenses should have been covered by the army, they said.

Djoko, however, seemingly defended the commander’s actions, saying sending the remains of dead soldier to Nabire would require chartering a plane at a cost of Rp 90 million (approximately US$8,200).

“The battalion cannot bear the costs, so it was decided that it bears half and the other half is shared [among the soldiers]. The battalion doesn’t have the [financial] capacity,” he said.

Djoko added the military would discipline and counsel soldiers to prevent any further incidents.

</H1>
$8200 ?! very expensive! A Cessna Caravan/Porter Pilatus PC-6 costs around $1500 /hour. Instead of using a Penerbad plane....

mr. kurien

04-30-2009, 01:16 PM

p-)

Army chief meets soldiers who rioted in Jayapura

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Army Chief of Staff Gen Agustadi Sasongko on Thursday held a closed-door dialog with members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani who rioted in Jayapura, Papua, the day before.

Sasongko arrived in Jayapura at 9:30 local time on Thursday morning for the dialog with the hundreds of soldiers who staged a violent demonstration outside their commander`s office on Wednesday.

Cenderawasih Military Command information officer Lt Col Susilo said the army chief wanted to obtain first-hand information from the soldiers about Wednesday`s incident.

"At the meeting, the men of Battalion 751 will have an opportunity to tell the army chief in person what is on their mind and therefore the meeting is closed to the media," Susilo said.

He said all members of Army Battalion 751 Sentani were present at the closed-door dialog with Gen Agustadi Sasongko.

Earlier, on Wednesday, hundreds of soldiers from Battalion 751 staged a rally outside their commander`s office to protest a cut in their welfare allowance.

They also protested against their chief`s decision to collect money from them to cover the costs of the transportation by air to Nabire of the body of one of their peers who had died, Private Joko, and his funeral.

The angry soldiers also fired shots into the air, beat up civilian onlookers and journalists trying to cover the incident, and pelted stones and other objects at the battalion`s headquarters.
(*)
link: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/4/30/army-chief-meets-soldiers-who-rioted-in-jayapura/

Danyon 751 Sentani Dicopot

Jayapura (ANTARA News) - Komandan Batalyon Infanteri 751/Berdiri Sendiri (BS), Sentani, Kabupaten Jayapura Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang dicopot dari jabatannya menyusul peristiwa mengamuknya ratusan anggota batalyon itu Rabu kemarin.

Kepala Staf Angkatan TNI Angkatan Darat Jenderal TNI Agustadi Sasongko Purnomo mengatakan hal itu usai berdialog dengan anggota Yonif 751 di Jayapura, Kamis.

Kemarin, ratusan prajurit batalyon ini mengamuk di dalam markas dengan merusak rumah dinas Danyon 751 Letkol Inf Lambok Sihotang karena kesal hak-haknya seperti uang makan dan uang kesejahteraan lain dipotong.

Mereka juga jengkel komandannya mempersulit pemakaman jenazah seorang prajurit yang meninggal dunia akibat sakit.

Jenazah prajurit akan dimakamkan di Nabire, Papua, namun terkendala sewa pesawat mahal. Para prajurit lalu mengumpulkan uang agar jenazah dapat dimakamkan di Nabire.

Amuk prajurit reda setelah Pangdam XVII/Cinderawasih Mayjen TNI Azmin Yusri Nasution datang ke lokasi untuk berdialog dengan mereka dan berjanji memproses secara hukum Danyon 751. (*)

link: http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2009/4/30/danyon-751-sentani-dicopot/

never treats your low rank personals like a servant. treats them like your own friends because they are the one who do all the works.

nata4190

04-30-2009, 06:10 PM

never treats your low rank personals like a servant. treats them like your own friends because they are the one who do all the works.

Roger that, youll make a good officer.

karbol

05-01-2009, 02:23 AM

ok now... back to picture..:)

Indonesia Navy TB-10. pics taken just one day before the accident...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/tobago1.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/tobago2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/tobago3.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/tobago4.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/tobago5.jpg

mr. kurien

05-01-2009, 02:45 AM

any fatalities bro?

Johanus Bau

05-01-2009, 04:26 AM

any fatalities bro?

Nope. Both pilots injured....but recovering in hospital in Semarang.

bambu runcing

05-01-2009, 08:16 AM

I open the Max R Popenker website (world.guns.ru), author of some military weapon books, and notice that finally he recognize PT Pindad as one of world firearm manufacturer.

the first product is obviously SS-2 assault rifle

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as99-e.htm

Hope he add another Pindad's original products...

toukairin

05-01-2009, 12:10 PM

it's about time! I hope SS-2 would live up to her name...

garandman

05-03-2009, 09:38 AM

@Broncos and Garandman

Nice to see a fellow gun enthusiast on this forum. I was born and raised in the south (TX and OK) and guns run in my blood.

I just wanted to solicit yall's opinions on CC positions. I was taught to carry my sidearm strong side high ride or IWB when i need deep concealement. I noticed that here in Indonesia, cops and military carry them crossdraw and unholstered. What do guyz think

Sorry for the late reply. Been busy working and mowing :-)

TNI and Polri personnel don't use holster to CC ?? Goodgrief! Isn't that dangerous though?? Talking about losing your gun, and worse yet ..... accidental discharge? I would not dare carrying a Glock without a good fitted holster.

I am new to CC myself. Still trying to figure out the best holster and CC method that fits me. Given the limited experience I have with CC, I can say though that I like strong side OWB carry with FBI-cant (or similar). High ride works for me too, but it depends on the gun, holster, and activity. I use a Gould and Goodrich leather holster that can do both high-ride and FBI-cant. With my G19, I found the high-ride position to be quite concealable (with oversized Hawaiian shirt on ~ I get the Tall-size so the shirt is longer and covers the gun better).

However, with non-duty belt (I wear 1.5" Wilderness instructor belt) the high ride tends to press on the hip more. This can cause some discomfort if worn for an extended period of time. I have a high-ride-only holster from Tagua. It conceals the piston very well, but with the gun sits so high the top (grip) tends to lean away from the body. Consequently, the muzzle goes in deeper toward the body thus creating the pressure point. My G&G holster does not do this as bad thanks to its wider surface area, but the wider surface area also makes it less concealable.

The FBI-cant is more comfortable since the gun is positioned about parallel to the belt. But this also makes the gun sits lower on your hip, thus increasing the risk of the lower tip of your pistol/holster "peeking" out from your shirt.

Of course this nothing beats the IWB method in terms of concealability. I have several IWB holster that I use off and on. I have used both leather and kydex holsters. I have tried different carry positions as well .... starting from 2, 3, and 4 o'clock, with straight up or forward cant position. Forward cant would conceal your gun better since the pistol grip will be pointing slightly up now instead of straight back. This reduces the risk of the grip printing on your shirt. Position-wise, 4 o'clock is the most comfortable for the hip. But I just feel it exposes the gun more and might print more. So if I have my G19 on me, I tend to carry it at 2 o'clock position, but can do this only for a short time. It gets too uncomfortable after a few hours. But if I have my G26 on me, I like to carry it in the 4 o'clock position. It is smaller so it prints less and the 4 o'clock position is more comfortable for extended wear.

I also love to carry my Springfield XD Service model. But the XD is thicker than the Glock. And my biggest gripe with XD is the take down key on the left side of the frame: it sticks out too much. So if you buy a kydex holster form molded specifically for this gun, it tends to have a slight bulge on the side to accommodate this take down key. This bulge, however small, can create an uneven pressure point and give you discomfort. So I am still looking for a good holster for this gun, but I love it nonetheless. Springfield now comes out with the XDM. And the excessive protrusion of the take down key has been alleviated.

Since this is a photo forum .... must post photos .... :-)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/3392307226_42fe6aba18.jpg

The G26 is my wife's gun. But I get to borrow it sometimes.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/3391494429_2b6ff6ec2b.jpg

This is our home security pistols. The dark-earth one is my wife's (10th wedding anniv. gift from me).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3122790472_1eb7dbeab4.jpg

The wife's collection. You can tell she loves dark earth stuff. The M4 is a b'day gift from me to her last year.

Kopassus

05-03-2009, 09:48 AM

uh, what a presents.....nice collection!
I we had the same rules and laws about weapons like in the US....
I saw on internet a pink revolver.... so that will be a perfect one for my girlfriend...

garandman

05-03-2009, 01:49 PM

uh, what a presents.....nice collection!
I we had the same rules and laws about weapons like in the US....
I saw on internet a pink revolver.... so that will be a perfect one for my girlfriend...

Speaking of pink guns ....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/3123619106_5ba73d1860.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/3122786446_d53f013dfa.jpg

TheBroncos

05-03-2009, 02:07 PM

uh, what a presents.....nice collection!
I we had the same rules and laws about weapons like in the US....
I saw on internet a pink revolver.... so that will be a perfect one for my girlfriend...

Where are you located?

Garand.. how do you grip the 26?! lol

BTW..do you have any source of 9mm? Everyone is empty. I put a 15k misc ammo order through BVAC..but they are 3 months back. Very frustrating.

garandman

05-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Where are you located?

Garand.. how do you grip the 26?! lol

BTW..do you have any source of 9mm? Everyone is empty. I put a 15k misc ammo order through BVAC..but they are 3 months back. Very frustrating.

My wife can hold the G26 just fine. But the standard grip is too short for me. There is just enough space for my middle and ring fingers to hold on. My pinkie holds nothing but air ... not very stable for me. For range use, I just slap a G19 mag on the 26 and go. But for CC, I have replaced the mag base plate with this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=479904

It works great! Just enough material for my pinkie to hold on. And it adds an extra round to the mag.

9mm? I am still getting mine from the local WalMart. Just need to check them often. I found them last time about 2-3 weeks ago. I went to all 3 WalMart on Sunday morning. The first store was bone dry of ammo. But the second one was stocked high with 9mm, 45 ACP, 223, and 38 Spc. Unlike some who hoard ammo, I just buy what I need to shoot and replenish my stock (got a few cases tucked away somewhere from a couple yrs ago ... hehehe). So I bought 500 rounds of 9mm and 100 rounds of 45 ACP. They had at least 4000 rounds of 9mm and 2000 rounds of 45 that day.

I dare not imagine what that 15K ammo order cost you ..... OUCHHH !!

TheBroncos

05-03-2009, 03:27 PM

I dare not imagine what that 15K ammo order cost you ..... OUCHHH !!

Not much.. they require min order of 10k to get wholesale pricing. So a few of us in the ar club pitch in. Low 300s per 1k of 556mm, $170 per 1k of 9mm etc etc... :)

Johanus Bau

05-03-2009, 06:02 PM

Thanks for the news, info and pictures all.
=> Karbol: Great pics! I never saw a EC-120B from Penerbad before! I dont even know Penerbad have also the Colibri, besides Disnerbal dan AU! How much Colibris does Penerbad have?

[B]</H1>
$8200 ?! very expensive! A Cessna Caravan/Porter Pilatus PC-6 costs around $1500 /hour. Instead of using a Penerbad plane....

I agree but if the komandan goes for the cheaper option, how will he make any money from the process? p-)

Ominae

05-03-2009, 07:11 PM

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1138/pistolserbu01bydislitba.jpg

Another photo I found on the Pistol Serbu. Has a tactical light attached on its light rail.

Kopassus

05-03-2009, 09:17 PM

I agree but if the komandan goes for the cheaper option, how will he make any money from the process? p-)
Mau dapat untung juga karena salah satu prajuritnya meninggal...:-(
I really hope they will bring him to the military court, nothing is a bigger threat for the strength of our armed forces than corrupt selvish *-holes...

This morning i saw on the telly that public can visit pangkalan Armada Barat di Tanjung Priok, but "you have to ask permission to the commander first". What do they mean? Is it really open to public? Just for some days?

Kopassus

05-03-2009, 09:20 PM

Thanks for the pic Omnimae.

Speaking of pink guns ....

With the whole famlily playing with guns....in most countries it will always stay a dream...

Where are you located?

What do you think? gues...

karbol

05-04-2009, 01:43 AM

Update about indonesian new subs from Jane's Defence:

Indonesia prepares to issue submarine requests for proposals
Indonesia is preparing to issue requests for proposals (RfPs) to South Korea and Russia later this year in a bid to procure two or three new submarines, Jane's has learnt. Under the plan, shipbuilders in either of these two countries would build the first boat with Indonesia's state-owned shipyard PT Pal constructing the second and third under licence.

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 02:59 AM

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 03:09 AM

uh, what a presents.....nice collection!
I we had the same rules and laws about weapons like in the US....
I saw on internet a pink revolver.... so that will be a perfect one for my girlfriend...

My bad, Kopassus.. i think you meant to say you "wish" in the 2nd sentence. I thought you said where you live same rules as US apply. :)

Pink revolver... taurus .38? They come in pink grip too. My better half was looking at S&W w/ pink grip at Gander Mountain the other night, fortunately, I talked her out of it... whew. No pink guns in my house please.

Can someone post TNI hand gun images? in the field

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 03:16 AM

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/4/27/daewoo-shipbuilding-wins-us75-mln-sub-order-from-indonesia/

Daewoo Shipbuilding wins US$75 mln sub order from Indonesia

Seoul (ANTARA News/Asia Pulse) -- South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Corp., the world's No. 3 shipyard, said Monday it has clinched a US$75 million deal to upgrade a submarine of the Indonesian Navy.

Daewoo Shipbuilding will deliver the submarine to the Indonesian Navy by 2011, the shipbuilder said, adding that it plans to participate in Indonesia's project to construct new submarines.

To complement...
http://www.indonesiaseoul.org/rubrik/view.php?kat=7&id=27077

Ominae

05-04-2009, 03:30 AM

Thanks for the pic Ominae.

No problem. I'm really interested in the PS.

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 03:51 AM

No problem. I'm really interested in the PS.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/pistolserbu0.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9277/pindad556ad8.jpg

more just from random search. SP will have cold reception from the mainstream grunts. Its size, ammo, and the doctrine it was created upon don't apply in most battle scenarios.

karbol

05-04-2009, 03:53 AM

My bad, Kopassus.. i think you meant to say you "wish" in the 2nd sentence. I thought you said where you live same rules as US apply. :)

Pink revolver... taurus .38? They come in pink grip too. My better half was looking at S&W w/ pink grip at Gander Mountain the other night, fortunately, I talked her out of it... whew. No pink guns in my house please.

Can someone post TNI hand gun images? in the field

Pindad P-1

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/p-1.jpg

Sig sauer

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/pistol2.jpg

also sig sauer... but i'm not sure ( i forgot:roll:).. cmiiw

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/pistol1.jpg

elanbanyu

05-04-2009, 04:53 AM

uh, what a presents.....nice collection!
I we had the same rules and laws about weapons like in the US....

Well Kopassus.. can you imagine what Satpol PP will face if they want to get rid slums and illegal food stalls here in Jakarta?

Quite bloody urban battle I believe..:)

Kopassus

05-04-2009, 04:59 AM

My bad, Kopassus.. i think you meant to say you "wish" in the 2nd sentence. I thought you said where you live same rules as US apply. :)

Pink revolver... taurus .38? They come in pink grip too. My better half was looking at S&W w/ pink grip at Gander Mountain the other night, fortunately, I talked her out of it... whew. No pink guns in my house please.

Can someone post TNI hand gun images? in the field
o, euh, yes, my english isn't so good....

Maybe something like this...
http://www.gunblast.com/Charter-PinkB.htm
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Undercover_53830.html

How much guns do you have? Looks like you have a lot of them...

Kopassus

05-04-2009, 05:02 AM

Well Kopassus.. can you imagine what Satpol PP will face if they want to get rid slums and illegal food stalls here in Jakarta?

Quite bloody urban battle I believe..:)

roflOur country is too much crowded, so maybe its a solution for a lot of problems.....p-)
But to have guns is also an expensive hobby....

elanbanyu

05-04-2009, 05:36 AM

Too crowded? Send them to north or south!!p-)p-)

Btw.. I hear that The Marines have plan to purchase FAMAS rifle.. Is that true or just a rumor? I believe bullpup rifle is good for our soldiers posture and ergonomics..

So why we stick to full length assault rifle? Its not like we will engage in bayonet duel..:bash:

ps.. sorry for bad english..

Kopassus

05-04-2009, 09:59 AM

Your english is better than mine....

Speaking of pink guns ....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/3123619106_5ba73d1860.jpg

BTW, Garandman, what type of rifle is this?

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 12:10 PM

How much guns do you have? Looks like you have a lot of them...

Enough to pick off the zombies when they come! :)

garandman

05-04-2009, 02:37 PM

Your english is better than mine....

BTW, Garandman, what type of rifle is this?

Cricket rifle from Keystone Arms. It is a .22LR single shot designed for young shooter.

More girl action shots ....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/3121945755_741bbc9750.jpg

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Wifey and kid, Garand?

garandman

05-04-2009, 03:37 PM

Wifey and kid, Garand?

yup.

From last Summer family practice ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/3121947563_28d968bf2f.jpg

From a few years back ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/3501291967_f0ec314c6a.jpg

She is contented with .223 and 9mm, but 308 and 45 ACP are her preference. 22LR? She refuses to shoot it .... too small she said.

Ominae

05-04-2009, 10:03 PM

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/pistolserbu0.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9277/pindad556ad8.jpg

more just from random search. SP will have cold reception from the mainstream grunts. Its size, ammo, and the doctrine it was created upon don't apply in most battle scenarios.

TNI's R&D should test if its anti-personnel bullets are good enough. Perhaps they can be for SF use.

Pindad P-1

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/p-1.jpg

Indonesian version of the Browning? Looks decent IMO. The P-2, IIRC, is a double-action version of the P-1.

garandman

05-04-2009, 10:19 PM

Since we are talking about glock...

Glock 17/19 is being used by Kopassus, Paskhas AU, Brimob, and Den 88. I heard Paskhas's G19 is the compensated version - which is great for rapid or full auto shooting. So here are few interesting links on the Gs

An older review by an Indonesian officer on his blog:
http://reinhardjambi.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/persenjataan-fpu-ii-pistol-glock/

Don't you think a compensated pistol is too "flashy" for SF operations? The compensator ports vent the gas upward (I think 1 and 11 o'clock). Wouldn't the extra flash in the face be bad to the operator night vision capability?

mine.. http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/843/img1310wcp.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1310wcp.jpg)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/img1310wcp.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img12/img1310wcp.jpg/1/)
aside from sig 225/6, I think g19 is the best overall 9mm woot

Gen-2 G19. I see you use Blackhawk Serpa holster. Hey ..... KCI Glock mags from South Korea! How do they work for you? I have quite a few of these KCI mags, but have not tested them enough to make me comfortable using them for anything other than range work. For carry or serious use, I still depend on Glock factory mags. Who makes the 30-rd mag?

garandman

05-04-2009, 10:25 PM

Pindad P-1

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/p-1.jpg

How old is this P1? When did Pindad start producing this? Still has the internal extractor .... older design. Current HiPower uses external mounted extractor. Also notice the pin on the trigger is still in place ... my guess is the magazine safety device is still installed. I hate this device ... it makes the trigger pull horrible. Unless you polish your the contact surface where the safety device comes in contact with the magazine. But the trigger pull is still better (lighter and crispier) if you just remove the damned device.

TheBroncos

05-04-2009, 11:21 PM

Don't you think a compensated pistol is too "flashy" for SF operations? The compensator ports vent the gas upward (I think 1 and 11 o'clock). Wouldn't the extra flash in the face be bad to the operator night vision capability?

Gen-2 G19. I see you use Blackhawk Serpa holster. Hey ..... KCI Glock mags from South Korea! How do they work for you? I have quite a few of these KCI mags, but have not tested them enough to make me comfortable using them for anything other than range work. For carry or serious use, I still depend on Glock factory mags. Who makes the 30-rd mag?

I personally don't like the 19C for that reason.. The two flashes on top are overkill - especially if you shoot dirty ammo. I didn't notice any diff. on accuracy as some of the boards had mentioned though. Recoil is barely reduced too. Most guys who bought the C version got rid of them for the non comp version. I am not sure why TNI chose Comp'd version.

I use serpa for my sig and glock on 3 gun match. KCI mags are ok, spring are a tad heavier than the factory, but I have never had any issue w/ them. I shot about 2000 rd through that 2nd gen so far. The 33 rounders are factory..but there is no G logo on them.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=116453

as far the browning P1 clone.. I never got into hi power, but I know TNI AU used to prefer to carry makarov, which in my opinion is much more reliable. Doesn't Makarov 7.62x25 have much higher velocity than 9mm luger?

garandman

05-04-2009, 11:48 PM

^^^

I have never seen 33-rd Glock factory mags with bare-steel construction like that. The ones I have are made of plastic with full steel lining inside, just like the regular capacity mags.

I have a Hungarian made HP copy (FEG). It is a true copy so parts are interchangeable with the real BHP. I don't know ... but the BHP design is very interesting to me. Gotta have a sample, even though it is only a copy.

Makarov shoots 9x18mm, not 7.62x25. MV and KE of 9x18 is lower than 9x19. I know TNI used to have the Tokarev TT33 in their inventory. This pistol shoots 7.62x25. I have a sample from Poland. Also have a CZ-52 in the same caliber. 7.62x25 is a fun cartridge. Small, fast, loud report, hefty recoil for its size. MV is around 1500 FPS for fresh ammo.

TheBroncos

05-05-2009, 12:01 AM

Gotta be Tok then. CZ52 is fun! I replaced the spring and upgraded the firing pin on mine... still haven't failed me all these years. BTW let your wife shoot bush 450, AA 50 beowulf, she'll get over the 308! :)

Anyway... Sentani incident may trigger a system wide overhaul...
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/05/05/sentani-incident-soldiers’-welfare-needs-attention.html

Sentani incident : Soldiers’ welfare needs attention

Rizal Sukma , JAKARTA | Tue, 05/05/2009 9:46 AM | Headlines

If a group of ordinary people went on a rampage, we would expect the police to handle the problem. But, when dozens of armed soldiers run amok, then we all have a problem. That was the problem when a number of soldiers from the Army’s Infantry Battalion 751 in Sentani, Papua, expressed their anger by staging a violent protest last week. During the incident, they destroyed infrastructure within the military compound and injured the deputy commander of the battalion.

Media reports suggested that the violent protest was triggered by the actions of the troops’ commander, Lt. Col. Lambok Sihotang, who had collected money from them to cover air transportation and funeral expenses for their fellow soldiers.

It was reported that the soldiers were protesting over the alleged embezzlement of their money by Sihotang.

The Army’s quick response to the incident, especially the removal of Sihotang from his position, is commendable. The Army leadership has begun to investigate the case, and promised to take stern action against those responsible. The soldiers have also been subject to disciplinary and administrative sanctions.

Continue on. (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/05/05/sentani-incident-soldiers’-welfare-needs-attention.html).

karbol

05-05-2009, 12:24 AM

How old is this P1? When did Pindad start producing this? Still has the internal extractor .... older design.

i'm not sure when Pindad produce this gun. but i guess its from late 60's or 70's. see the writen of her body: 'Pabrik Sendjata Ringan', are came from 'ejaan yang belum disempurnakan'

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/pistol3.jpg

old enough...

karbol

05-05-2009, 03:09 AM

new video about Indonesian Army Mi-35P

credit to Bunthoz@angkasareaders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62a9TLSBa8

enjoy...:)

karbol

05-05-2009, 03:30 AM

our flanker...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDgq1gyeOoo

Kopassus

05-05-2009, 10:53 AM

Enough to pick off the zombies when they come! :)
So, if flu burung, flu babi, rabies and SARS are fused and mutated, youre prepared....

Thansk for the video's Karbol! When did you take the Sukhois?

Jagi

05-05-2009, 02:17 PM

garandman

05-05-2009, 02:35 PM

So, if flu burung, flu babi, rabies and SARS are fused and mutated, youre prepared....

Thansk for the video's Karbol! When did you take the Sukhois?

everyone must have contingency plan for emergency situation. My family has two EVAC destination in time of emergency. For immediate evacuation, we will head out to a friend's house about 12 miles outside the city. It is in a country, well camouflaged, secluded, and easily defended for a short period of time. But for an extended emergency, we will go to a place about 200 miles south of here. It is owned by a family friend who have given us permission to come there if TSHTF in our town. 4000+ acres of wilderness, hundreds of head of cattles, numerous deer and other wildlife, fresh water from the creek (spring fed ~ this is the best water I have ever tasted!! so pure .... so refreshing! you can drink it straight from the ground). They own several houses there, mostly empty. We have access to one of those houses. So we got shelter, water and food supply ..... guns and ammo? We got that covered too.

TheBroncos

05-05-2009, 03:05 PM

Trust me, ZOMBIES do exist. I was in Korean town where all the shooting were happening during the LA riot in 1992 - yet at the end of the week, Korean town was able to defend itself w/o any LE presence - thanks to the 'vigilantes.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNEzN0_toc&feature=PlayList&p=81F27B2B8AC726BD&index=17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRnGqfsAyI&feature=related

If the Indonesians were armed during the 1998 riots/ Maluku incidents/ Poso etc etc, I can guarantee you, it wouldn't go too far. One would think twice before he/she tries to provoke armed citizens. Just MHO.

And I agree w/ Garand. We have a place in the western slope of rocky mountains where it's self sufficient just in case of TSHTF. And if we must get out from the region.. SE Oregon would be it.

Talking about Riot...

http://www.jawapos.com/halaman/index.php?act=detail&nid=48449

Berita Utama

[ Minggu, 25 Januari 2009 ]
Maluku Kembali Rusuh, Saling Serang di Ambon Plaza
AMBON - Bentrok antarwarga kembali pecah di Ambon, Maluku, kemarin (24/1) siang. Dua warga desa bertetangga namun sudah lama berseteru, Desa Pelauw dan Desa Kailolo, yang terletak di Kecamatan Pulau Haruku, Maluku Tengah, saling menyerang. Akibat insiden tersebut, dilaporkan satu orang tewas dan sedikitnya enam warga menderita luka-luka.
.........................

Aghost

05-05-2009, 07:29 PM

Guns, zombies...reminds me Night of the Living Dead especially on the ending...crazed hilly billies...

Do guys think TNI-AD or it's SF are ready for electric vehicle?? Some countries are already developing EVs for military ops

They do ready for that, the EV prototype already shown to the public on May 20, 2008 at Yogyakarta Central Java. The design was so ugly but it's the first prototype and still on development.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_gNic-1thTbA/SEFMv7W6UBI/AAAAAAAAAOM/NuX0eCnn2oY/s400/panser_+listrik.jpg
They called electric panzer, developed by Adji Koesoemo and Sekolah Tinggi Angkatan Laut (STAL) Surabaya

garandman

05-05-2009, 08:39 PM

Trust me, ZOMBIES do exist. I was in Korean town where all the shooting were happening during the LA riot in 1992 - yet at the end of the week, Korean town was able to defend itself w/o any LE presence - thanks to the 'vigilantes.'

Any interesting personal experience from LA rooftops in 1992? Were you armed? How did the Korean community organize their defenses? What sort of guns they used?

From various photos and videos about the LA riots, I have not seen any Korean carrying semi-auto rifle at the time. Also, their 'combat load' seemed to be very light. If I were in their position, I would be carrying a semi-auto rifle with double combat load worth of ammo (at least 400 rounds) + a sidearm with several magazines as well.

TheBroncos

05-07-2009, 12:17 AM

Any interesting personal experience from LA rooftops in 1992? Were you armed? How did the Korean community organize their defenses? What sort of guns they used?

From various photos and videos about the LA riots, I have not seen any Korean carrying semi-auto rifle at the time. Also, their 'combat load' seemed to be very light. If I were in their position, I would be carrying a semi-auto rifle with double combat load worth of ammo (at least 400 rounds) + a sidearm with several magazines as well.

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I wish I had exciting story to share. In short I was 14, fresh off the boat, otw back from an ESL class at a lutheran church. We were running toward downtown when the mob started to throw stuffs at the buses (buses won't stop for us obviously).. then were pointed away from downtown toward the korean town. Keep in mind, cell phone were uncommon and finding ride was almost impossible. We hang out at the in door flea market until they kicked everyone out around 7pm. That's when I saw bunch of private security guys w/ hand guns. I heard few gunshots, and took off north toward i-10 until we see some LE presence. From there, we hang out til about midnight and finally caught a ride home. I spent the next two days watching the riots on TV... like I said, nothing exciting :) I was too young to notice any kind of setup or kind of firearms they carried.

I was in J town during the May riot too.. gosh I wish I had my piece! :bash:

Anyway.. my newest build [url]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=945&pictureid=12892 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNEzN0_toc&feature=PlayList&p=81F27B2B8AC726BD&index=17)
Sabre defense upper and lower, 14.5" 1/7 C barrel, noveske break, MI guard, Mi low profile gas block, PMAG, MBus, gps front grip, CAA pistol grip, adjustable stock etc etc.. waiting for the micro t1 mount. I am gonna test fire it this weekend, once everything in working order, it'll be on gunbroker p-)

I saw pindad pistol on an older auction last night... been hunting for one now.

karbol

05-07-2009, 01:02 AM

Anyway.. my newest build http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=945&pictureid=12871
Sabre defense upper and lower, 14.5" 1/7 C barrel, noveske break, MI guard, Mi low profile gas block, PMAG, MBus, gps front grip, CAA pistol grip, adjustable stock etc etc.. waiting for the micro t1 mount. I am gonna test fire it this weekend, once everything in working order, it'll be on gunbroker p-)

I saw pindad pistol on an older auction last night... been hunting for one now.

HUUUAAA..... you guys make me jealous.... can you send me those for my next birthday...?:roll:

ok... gw ga mau kalah.... here's my toys...rofl

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/PICT1054.jpg

but it's a 6mm calibre and battery operated...roflrofl

and made in China...

fcaesarn

05-07-2009, 12:12 PM

A nice old photo....
taken from amat_ken@kaskus.us

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3199/tu16.jpg

DavidDCM

05-07-2009, 05:12 PM

How old is this P1?

The gun was produced in 1970. At least that's the most reasonable thing to read from the serial number.

Kopassus

05-07-2009, 11:54 PM

A nice old photo....
taken from amat_ken@kaskus.us

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3199/tu16.jpg
Thanks alot! Until now i only saw black-white pictures of only a single Tu-16.

karbol

05-08-2009, 12:05 AM

A nice old photo....
taken from amat_ken@kaskus.us

not nice i think... those badger are lining up to be scraped...:-(

henzai

05-08-2009, 02:17 AM

not nice i think... those badger are lining up to be scraped...:-(

yup thx to 18 used CAC CA-27 Sabres and T-33 T-bird deal........:cantbeli:

TheBroncos

05-08-2009, 02:13 PM

I have never seen this paint scheme before...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Mig17.jpg

look photoshoped?

karbol

05-09-2009, 10:53 AM

I have never seen this paint scheme before...

look photoshoped?

da*n good pics....!!! woot ijin sedot yah...

i've seen that scheme... in Angkasa Magazine if i'm not mistaken....

Kopassus

05-10-2009, 05:36 AM

I have never seen this paint scheme before...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Mig17.jpg

look photoshoped?
Yes, photoshopped, absolutely. I think the MiG-17 is taken in a museum, then put on a colour picture of some clouds in the sky, and then the maker has done the sephia effect. (sorry for my terrible english).
I have a miniature of an Indonesian MiG-17, its looks a little bit worn out, but i'll try to post a picture of it.

nomind

05-10-2009, 10:31 PM

I have never seen this paint scheme before...

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/Mig17.jpg

look photoshoped?

excelent job bro..
is there any high res ?

TheBroncos

05-11-2009, 04:02 PM

n/m.. mod wont like it! :)

karbol

05-12-2009, 07:38 AM

n/m.. mod wont like it! :)

why....?? maybe we like it...

back to pics... few pics from APRA rebellion in 1950

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/APRA-05.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/APRA-07.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/APRA-08.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/APRA-13.jpg

Kopassus

05-12-2009, 10:05 AM

mr. kurien

05-12-2009, 12:24 PM

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/mrkurien/n694817165_1147833_846.jpg?t=1242145235
photo by ida suraya

hi guys... this pic is taken by my friend at Bali sometimes ago... may i know is this the real gun or just BB/airsoft gun? and is it legal to sell this kind of weapons at the public in Indonesia? thanks...

Tunasa

05-12-2009, 02:12 PM

That is most probably a "senapan angin" or air rifle, mostly for hunting. I am not sure about the legality but it is not a uncommon scene in market or high traffic area.

TheBroncos

05-12-2009, 03:54 PM

hi guys... this pic is taken by my friend at Bali sometimes ago... may i know is this the real gun or just BB/airsoft gun? and is it legal to sell this kind of weapons at the public in Indonesia? thanks...

Air rifle - you can see the hand pump on the underside :)

TheBroncos

05-12-2009, 03:55 PM

Johanus Bau

05-12-2009, 07:27 PM

wow..3 series patrol car in Sby?

Pretty old 3-Series.... cheap car nowadays... Can you remember what the number plate had on it? No 'bintang'...?

Aghost

05-12-2009, 07:30 PM

Thanks for the pics Karbol!
Beberapa hari lalu sy bikin foto ini.
I didnt know we have the BMW as a patrol car...how much do we have of them?

http://94.100.114.171/578250001-578300000/578272201-578272300/578272201_5_oBT4.jpeg
Sorry for the quality, but it s taken by hp.

That's confiscated stuff buddy converted into patrol car, this habit is common in Indonesia. It's better they used it as Patrol car, Coz I've even saw the police commander wife use confiscated fancy car like Jaguar, Mercedes Benz, Roll Royce to go shopping in mall.
http://www.jpnn.com/uploads/berita/dir20022009/img20022009147121.jpg

mr. kurien

05-12-2009, 11:02 PM

thanks guys... :)

Kopassus

05-13-2009, 04:12 AM

That is most probably a "senapan angin" or air rifle, mostly for hunting. I am not sure about the legality but it is not a uncommon scene in market or high traffic area.

Its legal.

Can you remember what the number plate had on it? No 'bintang'...?

No bintang, just a normal patrolcar.

TheBroncos

05-13-2009, 11:45 AM

Does anyone know if DENSUS 88 will be attending this year SWAT competition? I posted their pictures from last year - but I don't see their name on this year roster! :roll:

karbol

05-14-2009, 07:18 AM

^^sorry bro... i have no info...

more pics. credit to cakrabyuha@angkasareaders

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9829.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9830.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9831.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9899.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9904.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9905.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/ARCAT/IMG_9908.jpg

Johanus Bau

05-15-2009, 03:55 AM

When are we getting these? :)

http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-RSAF.jpg (http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-RSAF.jpg)
http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-mbau1.jpg (http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-mbau1.jpg)
http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-mbau2.jpg (http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/content/2009-05-14-mbau2.jpg)

karbol

05-15-2009, 07:30 AM

when? ..... when i'm the President of Indonesiarofl

back to laptop....

recently, my friends visit Pameran Produk Indonesia (Indonesian Production Expo) at Kemayoran jakarta. then he send me this photo, a new product of Pindad. there are 4X4 Police Armored Vehicle. but what really surprised me is, Timor Leste Gov. also order Water cannon Vehicle from Pindad....p-).... hmmm... maybe someday we can export the ANOA...

link about the expo: http://ppi.depperin.go.id/?lang=eng

here's the pics...

police 4x4 APC... VAB look alike...:)
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i5.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i6.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i7.jpg

Timor Leste Water Cannon...
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i1.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i2.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/pindad2.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/pindad3.jpg

radio, made by PT.LEN
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i3.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i4.jpg

photo credit to: elangguntur@angkasareaders...

501st_airborne

05-15-2009, 08:39 AM

Wow PNTL?

I think it's a good way to maintain relationship with the former colony. Nice painting though..

Ominae

05-15-2009, 04:47 PM

Any articles pertaining to the Timorese purchase?

It reminds me of the Panser, unless it's a whole different thing.

Aghost

05-15-2009, 07:44 PM

The mock up
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i1.jpg

The actual
http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pp6xTMW6IAiuVXNbGG6slE7q7YsesXQvEUDMQwKw9BI3Q2mZTEaVySICqR_bhC1nG6rFnrKVehQgTWCW6NAYbWXf_ml7LO8eL/pindad3.jpg

The actual is different with the mock up, look at the the winshield, the headlamp and the personnel door, it's look like commercial truck fitted with APC Body, furthermore the tire is too small for APC. Hope they didn't send that one to the Timor Leste Government

Aghost

05-15-2009, 08:20 PM

bambu runcing

05-15-2009, 11:53 PM

building and producing APC from truck chassis is much more cheaper than monocoque APC. Notice the radiator grill on the front. It's obviously the engine is in lower position than engine in Anoa (which has monocoque body) which in the same level as the passenger compartment.

As this one only for police purpose, I think the armour was not as thick as Anoa, hence it much be lot lighter. So, it's okay with the small truck tires.
They still can handle up to 15 tones

The mock up
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff338/aries_wan/i1.jpg

The actual
http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pp6xTMW6IAiuVXNbGG6slE7q7YsesXQvEUDMQwKw9BI3Q2mZTEaVySICqR_bhC1nG6rFnrKVehQgTWCW6NAYbWXf_ml7LO8eL/pindad3.jpg

The actual is different with the mock up, look at the the winshield, the headlamp and the personnel door, it's look like commercial truck fitted with APC Body, furthermore the tire is too small for APC. Hope they didn't send that one to the Timor Leste Government

TheBroncos

05-16-2009, 02:29 AM

whats the point of having an armored car that can easily be disabled or immobilized. It needs at least run-flat tires. :roll:

mr. kurien

05-16-2009, 03:08 AM

mr. kurien

05-16-2009, 03:14 AM

i don't think its an APC. it's the Water Canon vehicles. just for anti riot purpose only. i can see the water hose on top of that blue vehicle. based on the model, no troops or policemen sit at the back... just water only. correct me if i'm wrong. :)

Kopassus

05-16-2009, 05:44 AM

Nice pics Karbol, how much watervehicle will we export to Tim2? Just one?

TheBroncos

05-17-2009, 12:29 AM

this plane is way too expensive bro. i believe IPTN is experienced enough to build larger transport aircraft now.

I doubt it. Military transport is much more complicated than civie aircraft. Airbus and its A400M program, or Shaanxi and its Y-9 program are two examples of delayed/over-budgeted and yet still non-production development of heavy military transports by undoubtly experience companies.

IPTN also lost many experienced engineers during the past 10 years. It's sad.

Hopefully the incoming administration will encourage National Defense Companies growth by ordering more locally made weaponaries. p-)

Kopassus

05-17-2009, 05:53 AM

Technically we are able to build airplanes like N2130 or at least the N250, but we dont have the money.
As the Broncos said, its really expensive to build and develop aircrafts in the class of Il-76, A400M, MD17 and An-70. Maybe we only need some 10-20 of it, so absolutely not cost-effective, its cheaper to buy some second hand C130Hs, also because we already have some 20 of it.
We can only expect/hope IPTN will develop a updated version 0f the CN235 in the next coming 10 years.

Navy denies losing border territory to Singapore
The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 05/08/2009 7:06 PM | National

A senior naval officer has denied allegations that with the recent signing of a border agreement with Singapore, Indonesia had lost territory.

The agreement covered the western segment of Indonesia's maritime border with Singapore.

"Perhaps, on certain parts of the border, we did lose territory but in other parts, we gained territory, so there was no loss," said Commodore Edhi Nuswantoro, assistant for operations to the Indonesian navy's chief of staff in Batam Friday as quoted by Antara state news agency.

He further stressed that the lines taken from some segments of the boundary were changed from horizontal to lopsided toward the eastern part.

"Before it was a straight line, now it is lopsided. In some parts , our territory shrank but elsewhere our territory widened," he said while showing a map of Indonesia-Singapore sea boundaries.

Indonesia succeeded in convincing Singapore to determine waters territory by measuring diameter of outer island but not from reclaimed shore in line with Convention on Sea Law of 1982.

By doing so, shore reclamation conducted by Singapore will not affect the border of the two countries.

Touching on some segments of the territory which could not yet result in an agreement, especially east segment of sea boundary which is located between Bintan island of Indonesia and Changi airport of Singapore, he said overlapping recognition is still applicable.

Under overlapping recognition, he said the government of Indonesia could take action against Singapore fishermen entering that territory and vise versa.

"It is really overlapping, but it is the case..." he said.

Singapore delayed the sea territory agreement for east segment with Indonesia, as that neighboring country has to settle their dispute on Batu Puteh with Malaysia.

karbol

05-19-2009, 12:27 AM

our F-5 intercept unidentified plane....

http://www.mediaindonesia.com/read/2009/05/05/75252/17/1/Pesawat-Tempur-Asing-Beroperasi-di-Selatan-Pulau-Rote

sorry... no article in english...

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 12:52 AM

our F-5 intercept unidentified plane....

http://www.mediaindonesia.com/read/2009/05/05/75252/17/1/Pesawat-Tempur-Asing-Beroperasi-di-Selatan-Pulau-Rote

sorry... no article in english...
Thanks Karbol, this incident shows us that we need a permanent QRA unit at El Tari and that we have to upgrade our airforce.
I expect those were Australian aircrafts.

RANEW

05-19-2009, 01:08 AM

I expect those were Australian aircrafts.

Such as ? And could someone please translate the article, my bahasa isn't that good.

TheBroncos

05-19-2009, 01:08 AM

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/article/19435.html

SOEs Seek Government Help In Getting TNI Orders
Four state-owned enterprises that supply the military asked the House of Representatives commission overseeing defense on Monday to support them in becoming the main suppliers of weaponry and equipment to the Armed Forces (TNI).

The directors of PT Pindad, PT PAL Indonesia, PT Dahana and PT Dirgantara Indonesia met legislators from the commission to seek their support in forming a strategic partnership between the companies and the government to help develop the domestic military industry.

mr. kurien

05-19-2009, 03:12 AM

Thanks Karbol, this incident shows us that we need a permanent QRA unit at El Tari and that we have to upgrade our airforce.
I expect those were Australian aircrafts.

new radar and SAM too...

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 10:11 AM

new radar and SAM too...
Absolutely.

Breaking news, according to RCTI and Metro TV, some OPM terrorists has occupied an airstrip in Papua.

OPM Kuasai Bandara Perintis Kaisepo (http://www.metrotvnews.com/main.php?metro=berita&id=82810)

data/berita/foto/82810.jpgJakarta: Kapolda Papua Irjen. Pol. F.X. Bagus Ekodanto membenarkan bahwa Bandara Perintis Kaisepo diduduki OPM sejak Ahad silam. Polda Papua sudah mengirimkan pasukan untuk kembali mengambil-alih kembali bandara.

Johanus Bau

05-19-2009, 06:54 PM

Such as ? And could someone please translate the article, my bahasa isn't that good.

I will try.. summary only....

An Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) radar unit in Kupang, East Nusa Tenggara Province detected a number of foreign fighter aircraft flying in an area south of Rote Island. However, when TNI AU fighter aircraft were scrambled to investigate, the foreign aircraft disappeared from radar range according to the Commander of El Tari Air Base in Kupang, Lieutenant Colonel Joko Sugeng Srianto on 18 May 2009.

There were indications that the foreign aircraft, which were first detected on 11 May 2009, had originated from Indonesia's southern neighbour. The incident was reported to Indonesian Armed Forces Headquarters. Up until now, four F-5E Tiger II fighters had been conducting routine air patrols along the Indonesia-Australia border.

The airspace over the Indonesia-Australia border has always been problematic due to violations by aircraft and foreign fishing vessels. Not long ago, TNI AU commenced air operations from 5 to 15 May to monitor Indonesia's outer lying islands and its archipelagic sea lanes. Four F-5E Tiger II fighters and 150 TNI AU personnel including Air Force Special Troops (Paskhas), led by Lieutenant Colonel Ronny Moningka, participated in the operation.

mr. kurien

05-19-2009, 09:22 PM

mr. kurien

05-19-2009, 09:31 PM

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Sekali lagi berita buruk utk TNI dan Indonesia...
Ada C130 Hercules jatuh di Iswahyudi Madiun tadi pagi 6:20. Awak minimal 4 org, dan kemungkinan besar minimal 1 tewas.

Ill try to find more info about this...

mr. kurien

05-19-2009, 09:45 PM

ooo man... sorry for that double post. my internet connection is not "feeling well" today. another plane went down? thats too bad. hope nothing worse happen.

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 09:46 PM

Indonesia is a big country. I think Indonesia goverment should order more Shukoi SU-30 ( maybe with MKI or MKM specs ) because the process is more easy compared to the western jet. 30 or 40 more plane i think is enough to cover the whole country. and can i know what is OPM? is it new group?

Our budget is too smal to buy big quantities of Sukhois at once, later this year or maybe next year we will receive 3 extra Su-27SKM. So totally we will have just enough Sukhois for one squadron....

OPM (Organisasi Papua Merdeka) is a small seperatist movement in our most eastern province. In the fifties and sixties the Dutch government try to brainwash the Papuas to not want to become part of Indonesia. Thats one of the biggest reasons some Papuas are anti-Indonesia.

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 09:49 PM

From Kompas

Pesawat Hercules TNI AU Jatuh di Magetan

http://www.kompas.com/data/photo/2008/01/28/123525p.jpg

KOMPAS/Agus Susanto (http://regional.kompas.com/read/xml/2009/05/20/08031455/Pesawat.Hercules.TNI.AU.Jatuh.di.Magetan#)
Pesawat Hercules TNI AU

Rabu, 20 Mei 2009 | 08:03 WIB
MADIUN, KOMPAS.com — Sebuah pesawat angkut jenis C-130 Hercules Alpha 1325 jatuh di Desa Geplak Kecamatan Karas, Kabupaten Magetan, Jawa Timur pada Rabu pagi pukul 06.30 WIB.
Menurut Kadispen AU Marsma TNI F Bambang Sulistyo saat dihubungi Kompas.com, penyebab kecelakaan masih diselidiki. Diberitakan bahwa pesawat Hercules yang dipiloti Mayor (Pnb) Danu itu mengangkut 13 awak. Dua awak lain adalah Kapten Younan dan Marsma Harsono, mantan Danlanud Supadio.
Pesawat jatuh dalam penerbangan dari Jakarta menuju Lanud Iswahyudi, Madiun, Jawa Timur. Pesawat jatuh di sekitar permukiman dan menimpa setidaknya tiga rumah penduduk. Akibatnya, sedikitnya dua orang tewas.
Saat ini pesawat dalam kondisi berasap, tetapi personel dari Angkatan Udara telah berada di lokasi kejadian. "Saat ini sedang evakuasi," ujar Bambang.
Sebelumnya satu pesawat Hercules TNI AU diberitakan mendarat di luar landasan di bandar udara Sentani, Papua. Akibat kecelakaan dua roda pesawat copot.

A1325... i think its an C-130H. (The aircraft on the picture isnt the same that crashed. The one that crashed has a brown pattern)

<H1>Air Force Hercules crashes in East Java

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Wed, 05/20/2009 8:41 AM | National
An Air Force Hercules crashed onto houses and burned only four kilometers away from Iswahyudi Airport in Magetan regency, East Java on early Wednesday morning. At least two local residents were killed in the incident.

The plane was on its way from Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in Jakarta, carrying 13 crews, tempointeraktif.com has reported.

The Air Force, however, has yet to issue any statement.

The C-130 Hercules Alpha 1325 crashed onto several houses in Geplak village at around 6:30 a.m.. Air Force personnel came immediately and extinguished at around 8:30 a.m.. (dre)

</H1>

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 10:06 PM

This is A-1323, taken last year at Halim Perdanakusuma, A-1325 looks the same.http://94.100.113.20/333650001-333700000/333688701-333688800/333688703_6_TkK0.jpeg

mr. kurien

05-19-2009, 10:07 PM

is that the plane that crashed?

Kopassus

05-19-2009, 10:09 PM

No, the plane that crashed is A1325, the aircraft of the picture which i have taken last year (A1323) looks the same and is from the same aquadron.

Inalillahi wa inailaihirojiun....

Rabu, 20/05/2009 08:59 WIB
Pesawat Jatuh di Magetan
Pangdam: Hercules Berisi 98 Orang dan 14 Kru
Irawulan - detikNews

http://www.detiknews.com/images/content/2009/05/20/10/herculesjatuh-dalam.jpg

Surabaya - Pangdam V Brawijaya Mayjen TNI Suwarno menyatakan jumlah penumpang di dalam pesawat Hercules TNI AU yang jatuh di Magetan sebanyak 98 penumpang dan 14 kru.

Laporan sementara yang diperoleh, kata dia, jumlah orang yang berhasil diselamatkan 10 orang. "Saya peroleh laporan berpenumpang 98 orang dan 14 kru," kata dia saat ditemui Gedung Grahadi Surabaya, Rabu (20/5/2009).

Penerbangan ini kata dia adalah penerbangan rutin. "Rencananya akan terbang dari Halim transit di Lanud Iwahyudi dan melanjutkan ke Biak," ungkapnya.
(gik/nrl)

makavelli

05-20-2009, 12:21 AM

RIP to the dead...

those herc are totally outdated and i call it flyin coffin

KYPMbangi

05-20-2009, 12:29 AM

Condolence to the lives lost in the tragedy. Al fatihah~

Aghost

05-20-2009, 12:31 AM

No, the plane that crashed is A1325, the aircraft of the picture which i have taken last year (A1323) looks the same and is from the same aquadron.

Inalillahi wa inailaihirojiun....

Enough this ****in accident! our soldier life aren't expendable, their life is the first priority in the modern defense strategy, the planning to buy new transport aircraft should be speed up and the small budget should be revised, there is no reason to sacrifice our soldier life due to limited budget. If President Yudhoyono didn't take quick action about this old aircraft issue, I won't elect him anymore.

The pictures taken from Detik Surabaya news today, and from 99 passengers and 11 crews on board only 15 survives.
http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAzCCD3jyuU1tc3J4epJGcfzr9cbUaz75k4YUpPuebgFWAp3FcanA0oXm5Aid4fJyT1phDB3aHiG1RtuPoEX1sndXjOXef6eo/herkules-jatuh02.jpg

http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAzCCD3jyuU3RqeCXbaziXhUe8aEmJcEOEt8k7pJaQs8xsuWTIIeFNDQOrVj9Vi6Az6I3hxAElMxqdgYAAt0HbINmFpRxnpxX/herkules-jatuh03.jpg

http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pNKewgKfZLfYIngiOI9kmurOPoMCh05DNbKoNBiPpoISS_IVYYrXtQokVOo2UzbmvV4UX_DYy-vNbiRbezcyfKtfrKB1GHxrm/herkules-jatuh07.jpg

http://jhwjrg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pVduM-Ot3fDbdCaj4GbO4RzJQGgKv0QVNKrchu7hm9W9sZRKBsUdV6l8oBi8d01pu4mf9wYIexKW9kzDWVgIwbxRImd-mCEfU/jenazah04.jpg

karbol

05-20-2009, 01:09 AM

i've post pics of Herky A-1325 on January. here you go:

our herky send aid to manokwari...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/gempamanokwari4.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/gempamanokwari.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/gempamanokwari8.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/hercules11.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AU/hercules7.jpg

rip to the fallen... inalillahi...:-(

TheBroncos

05-20-2009, 01:17 AM

RIP...:-(

Isn't this one of the few C130 that had been upgraded to the H specs by TNI AU depot?

05/12/09 00:18
Air force to intensify checks on Hercules planes

ANTARA photo/Iwan AdisyahputraJakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) will immediately check its C-130 Hercules planes including those that have just undergone a retrofit following an incident in Wamena on Monday, its spokesman, Air Commodore Bambang Soelistyo said.

He said the intensive examination would be carried out to assure their condition.

He said a C-130 Hercules from Squadron 32 of the Abdurahman Saleh airbase in Malang, East Java, skidded upon landing in Papua after its back wheels came off.

He said the plane had just undergone a retrofit in Singapore and "therefore the check would be done on all Hercules planes including those that had undergone a retrofit in Singapore."

He said the airforce planned to improve the capability of nine of its Hercules planes in Singapore. He said the retrofit on four of them had already been completed, including airframe improvement and avionic and engine modification.

Retrofit has also been carried out by the Abdurrahman Saleh airbase` Maintenance Depot 30 to improve engine capability from T56-7 to T56-15 or from type B to type H.
Capability improvement is also being done in Maintenance Depot 10 of the Husein Sastranegara airbase in Bandung, West Java, that includes aircraft body and avionic modification.

Capability improvement of two Hercules at Depot 10 and 30 ws fully done by airforce technicians who had earlier been trained in Singapore.

"We have also carried out improvement and also routine checks to assure that our aircraft is airworthy," he said.
(*)

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/12/air-force-to-intensify-checks-on-hercules-planes/

Zackeast

05-20-2009, 01:20 AM

Al-Fatihah to all brave soldier....... There are few of incident involving TNI-AU plane recenty & took lots of life. We pray that it will not be happen in the future.

karbol

05-20-2009, 01:33 AM

RIP...:-(

Isn't this one of the few C130 that had been upgraded to the H specs by TNI AU depot?

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/12/air-force-to-intensify-checks-on-hercules-planes/

originally the A-1325 are L-100-30 variant. enter Indonesia around 80's, and operated by Pelita. later, Pelita gave the Hercy to Merpati. around 90's, Merpati gave it to TNI-AU. CMIIW

Skyman

05-20-2009, 01:39 AM

Rest In Peace to the fallen. :(

odogg

05-20-2009, 04:09 AM

Rest In Peace to the fallen;

EL Fatiha...

Kopassus

05-20-2009, 06:03 AM

Thanks Aghost and Karbol for the pics.
Now the question is why....it was good weather, the crew was experienced, ....technical failure?

News like this makes me always so sad....

Korban Tewas 98 orang, 10 Kritis

By Republika Newsroom
Rabu, 20 Mei 2009 pukul 16:54:00

JAKARTA -- Kapuspen TNI AU, Marsekal Pertama (Marsma) Bambang Sulistio menyatakan, hasil penyelidikan terdapat 98 orang tewas dalam insiden jatuhnya pesawat Hercules C130 di Magetan, Jatim. Rinciannya, 11 orang awak termasuk pilot dan co-pilot serta warga sipil.

Dia menambahkan, dalam insiden jatuhnya pesawat itu terdapat 15 orang selamat. Namun, dari jumlah tersebut sebanyak 10 di antaranya dalam kondisi kritis dan sisanya sebanyak lima korban sudah bisa berbicara. Belasan korban yang selamat itu masih dalam perawatan tim medis di rumah sakit di Madiun. Saat ini, pihaknya sedang menginventarisir para korban untuk selanjutnya diberangkatkan ke rumah duka masing-masing.

Dia menjelaskan, pesawat tersebut berangkat dari Jakarta menuju Surabaya. Selanjutnya dari Surabaya, pesawat tersebut rencananya akan terbang menuju Makssar, Kendari, dan Biak. ''Ini merupakan operasi rutin,'' ujarnya kepada wartawan yang mengerumuninya di depan Kompleks Rajawali, Lanud Halim Perdanakusumah, Jaktikm, Rabu (20/5).

Bambang menolak jika insiden jatuhnya Hercules C 130 itu disimpulkan sebagai kecelakaan. ''Itu masih terlalu dini,'' ujarnya.

Disebutkan, pesawat nahas tersebut merupakan buatan tahun 1980 yang dioperasikan mulai tahun 1994 silam. Pada Mei 2009 lalu, pesawat tersebut sudah dicek dan dinyatakan masih laik terbang. Menurutnya daya angkut pesawat tersebut yakni 25 ton, namun saat terbang tak mengangkut barang, kecuali penumpang. Soal adanya penumpang sipil, Bambang menyatakan, hal itu diperkenankan. Sebab, para penumpang tersebut merupakan keluarga besar TNI AU.-thr/man/ahi

Military plane crashes in E. Java, at least 90 dead

Agencies , Jakarta | Wed, 05/20/2009 1:43 PM | Headlines
An Indonesian military plane carrying more than 100 people crashed into several homes and burst into flames Wednesday, killing at least 90 people, officials said.

Dozens were injured and more were feared dead, with local television flashing footage of fire engulfing the mangled wreckage. Black smoke billowed in the air, as soldiers carried badly burnt bodies on stretchers to waiting ambulances, Associated Press reported.

Air force spokesman Bambang Sulistyo was quoted by Antara as saying at least 90 people were killed when the C-130 Hercules crashed near a base in East Java province early Wednesday. There were 112 passengers and crew on board.

A total of 105 victims had been evacuated, 90 of them were dead, 10 sustained serious injuries and five others suffered minor injuries, Bambang Sutistyo said.

Military spokesman Sagom Tamboen said the aircraft was transporting troops and their families, including at least 10 children, when it tumbled from the sky near an air force base in Madiun, East Java province.

It smashed into a row of houses in Geplak village, killing three on the ground, before skidding into a rice field.

The tail of the plane and several large parts of its charred body were scattered in the paddy and nearby bushes.

It was not clear what caused the crash, the latest in a string to hit the air force.

But several witnesses described hearing a large explosion while it was still in the air and then seeing it split apart.

"One of the wings fell off," Agus Yulianto, a villager, was quoted as saying on the Web site of Kompas newspaper. "Then the plane nose-dived into the houses."

The accident occurred 325 miles (520 kilometers) east of the capital, Jakarta.

The country's air force has long complained of being underfunded and handicapped by a recently lifted U.S. ban on weapons sales. It has suffered a series of accidents, including a Fokker 27 plane that crashed into an airport hangar last month, killing all 24 onboard.

socom6

05-20-2009, 09:48 AM

RIP to the troops and airmen killed. A bad disaster, very bad. :(

bambu runcing

05-20-2009, 10:44 AM

RIP to the fallen. My heart break to hear Herky crash this morning.

So, Mr Karbol....this Herky actually based on civilian version (L-100 series) which originally has no ramp door.
When and where did TNI AU modified the A-1325 to military trasnport?
Did they replace the engine? because civilian version might have lower power rate engine

I guess original L-100 series has presurized cabin. Or, all Herky series has presurized cabin?

originally the A-1325 are L-100-30 variant. enter Indonesia around 80's, and operated by Pelita. later, Pelita gave the Hercy to Merpati. around 90's, Merpati gave it to TNI-AU. CMIIW

karbol

05-20-2009, 12:27 PM

RIP to the fallen. My heart break to hear Herky crash this morning.

So, Mr Karbol....this Herky actually based on civilian version (L-100 series) which originally has no ramp door.
When and where did TNI AU modified the A-1325 to military trasnport?
Did they replace the engine? because civilian version might have lower power rate engine

I guess original L-100 series has presurized cabin. Or, all Herky series has presurized cabin?

when and where i dont know for sure... but they do change the engine from Rolls Royce to Allison. AFAIK all herky are presurized....

Johanus Bau

05-20-2009, 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=Kopassus;4140109]Thanks Aghost and Karbol for the pics.
Now the question is why....it was good weather, the crew was experienced, ....technical failure?

News like this makes me always so sad....END QUOTE]

Questions have to be asked not just of TNI AU's accident record but of Indonesia's overall flight safety record. Questions also need to be asked of the people in positions of power who have not made any changes to put a stop to these tragedies. There are too many air accidents in Indonesia... Drastic changes need to be made to the way planes are maintained and serviced right through to the way that pilots fly their aircraft or make decisions which affect the passengers' safety. This is beyond a joke because people's lives are at stake.... The Government needs to correct problems quickly before our air force has no planes left to fly. There is no use buying brand new aircraft if they are not maintained or flown properly.

Jagi

05-21-2009, 12:55 PM

I hope this accident will be the last,already too many suffer because of these accidents...innalillahi wa inna illaihi raji'un

It seems Den-88 will be activated and assigned to counter the OPMs occupying the airstrip,at least that's what I read on the news ticker...

karbol

05-21-2009, 11:46 PM

from todays pics... thx to lancero...

Nice start

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj68/lancero555/maio09/20090521123134ENLUS0173744812429090.jpg

Johanus Bau

05-21-2009, 11:52 PM

from todays pics... thx to lancero...

Where was that taken Karbol? Halim? So sad... RIP.

karbol

05-22-2009, 12:11 AM

Where was that taken Karbol? Halim? So sad... RIP.

Hasanudin AFB makassar...

karbol

05-22-2009, 02:45 AM

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/S5030519.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/S5030520.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/S5030524.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/S5030527.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/S5030531.jpg

source: http://tonosolo.multiply.com/photos/album/63/kecelakaan_pesawat_Hercules_C-130_#

Tunasa

05-22-2009, 02:51 AM

Are they just normal common people walking around the crash scene?

It reminds me the similar accident in 90s? when a C-130 carrying Air Forces special troops crashed near Jakarta?

RIP for the fallens

bambu runcing

05-22-2009, 08:56 AM

they obviously journalists, the only civilian who can reach the crime scene.... See the big backpack and SLR cameras...

Are they just normal common people walking around the crash scene?

It reminds me the similar accident in 90s? when a C-130 carrying Air Forces special troops crashed near Jakarta?

RIP for the fallens

Kopassus

05-23-2009, 04:05 AM

In 'normal' countries only resqueworkers, firemen and people which investigating the crashscene are allowed to enter the site.

One of the things we need to change, how can the labfor doing their job, if the crashsite is poluted by the press and civillians?

Tunasa

05-23-2009, 04:23 AM

they obviously journalists, the only civilian who can reach the crime scene.... See the big backpack and SLR cameras...

My sister also has a SLR camera and carry backpack when on photo trip, but she isn't a journo(journalist).

But yeah, they are most probably journos. It just a bit strange that journos are allowed freely inside the crash scene doing their jobs especially when the investigation is still open. You might think that only certain individuals are allowed inside the crash scene to minimize contamination.

TheBroncos

05-23-2009, 04:15 PM

It just a bit strange that journos are allowed freely inside the crash scene doing their jobs even when the investigation is still open. You might think that only certain individuals are allowed inside the crash scene to minimize contamination.

+1.. I was a bit puzzled by that picture too.

TheBroncos

05-24-2009, 03:10 AM

These are mostly from online -- so all credit go to where they are due.

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0001.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0002.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0003.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0004.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0005.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0006.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0007.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0008.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0009.jpg
http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0010.jpg

Some might be repost as they are dated.

TheBroncos

05-24-2009, 03:25 AM

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0011.jpg

karbol

05-25-2009, 07:32 AM

These are mostly from online -- so all credit go to where they are due.

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/indonesia/tni0006.jpg

Some might be repost as they are dated.

i wish this pics would come true....p-)

ktbedy

05-25-2009, 07:48 AM

Snapshoot this morning at Denpasar City, Preparing for STABO excercise for Raider 900 Batallion..
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7186eww.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7163eww.jpg

ktbedy

05-25-2009, 08:01 AM

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7165eww.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7176eww.jpg

Kopassus

05-25-2009, 09:49 AM

Selamat datang! Thanks for the NB412 pics!

TheBroncos

05-25-2009, 12:44 PM

i wish this pics would come true....p-)

yeah. TNI needs AAMs badly. Every bordering countries have many short range AAM variants, couple have beyond visual AA capability. Meanwhile TNI AU is still dinking around w/ unguided rockets and dumb bombs for its newest fleet.

Hope things change for the better soon! :)

BTW.. karbol.. to respond to your battery powered AK sidefolder... here is my new sniper ahem.. hunting setup :)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=945&pictureid=13308

karbol

05-25-2009, 11:48 PM

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7176eww.jpg

thx a lot bro. and welcome... more pics please if you dont't mind..:)

Ps, nice avatar...

karbol

05-25-2009, 11:50 PM

BTW.. karbol.. to respond to your battery powered AK sidefolder... here is my new sniper ahem.. hunting setup :)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=945&pictureid=13308

aaargggghhhh.... if you come to Indonesia, i like to kill you..:)

ktbedy

05-26-2009, 03:56 AM

In memoriam A-1325 these photo taken at WADD 03-01-2008

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/HERKY/IMG_3294ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/HERKY/IMG_3295ewk.jpg

Apreciated for the guys who maintain her to fly for about 40yrs.....
R.I.P for the fallen....

ktbedy

05-26-2009, 04:20 AM

A-1326 Lockheed L-100-30(P) indication as Passenger A/C. See the windows....
This is very rare A/C, there are only two in the world, other one is A-1325 (the fallen)
A-1326 Ex Merpari Airlines PK-MLT and Pelita PK-PLT
A-1325 Ex Merpati Airlines PK-MLS and Pelita PK-PLS

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/HERKY/A-1326080705wk.jpg

Kopassus

05-26-2009, 08:57 AM

Thanks for the pics Ktbedy! Looks like we have an extra hardcore TNI -fan between us. You aw vewy selamat datang Ktbedy! (Cinta Laura mode on)

But now i realise i have seen A1326 last year in Medan, thanks to you!
http://94.100.114.49/194000001-194050000/194017301-194017400/194017375_5_SwPx.jpeg

Some news about Ambalat. Taken from another forum, thanks to Kakilangit.

Kapal Perang Malaysia Lagi-Lagi Langgar Kedaulatan NKRI

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9858/sa2t.jpg
KD Yu terpantau secara visual dari anjungan KRI Untung Suropati.

Ambalat, 25 Mei 2009 (TANDEF) - Hari ini tanggal 25 Mei 2009 menjelang fajar menyingsing, KRI Untung Suropati yang sedang berpatroli di wilayah Ambalat dikejutkan oleh kehadiran KD Yu - 3508 (kapal perang TLDM (AL Malaysia) jenis fast attack craft - gun) pada posisi 04.03.00 LU / 118.01.70 BT baringan 135 jarak 8 mil laut halu 130 cepat 16. Atas kondisi ini, segera KRI Untung Suropati mempersiapkan peran tempur bahaya permukaan. Didapati bahwa KD Yu ini telah masuk ke dalam wilayah NKRI sejauh 12 mil laut. Dalam kontak radio, KD Yu beralasan ingin ke Tawau. KRI Untung Suropati lalu memerintahkan KD Yu untuk segera meninggalkan wilayah NKRI. KD Yu kemudian bersedia menjauh.

Namun, setelah diusir, KD Yu ternyata menipu dengan tidak pergi ke Tawau melainkan ternyata berubah haluan ke timur dan masih masuk wilayah NKRI. Peringatan terakhir pun diberikan oleh KRI Untung Suropati untuk segera meninggalkan NKRI. Sempat terjadi adu argumen di radio. Mereka bersikeras bahwa mereka berpatroli di wilayahnya. Setelah dijelaskan bahwa KD Yu melanggar UNCLOS tentang batas wilayah laut, mereka diam dan kemudian menjauh sampai batas terluar. KRI Untung Suropati menggiring KD Yu hingga keluar dari wilayah laut NKRI.

KRI Untung Suropati bersama-sama dengan KRI Hasanuddin pada hari sebelumnya mengusir KD Baung - 3509. Pada hari yang sama pula, helikopter Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency memasuki wilayah udara NKRI. Begitu juga dengan pesawat Beechcraft TLDM melakukan pelanggaran kedaulatan wilayah udara NKRI sejauh 40 mil laut.

Foto kejadian:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2189/sa3q.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8233/sa1d.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9858/sa2t.jpg

Source: TANDE (http://www.tandef.net/kapal-perang-malaysia-lagi-lagi-langgar-kedaulatan-nkri)F

Kopassus

05-26-2009, 09:06 AM

yeah. TNI needs AAMs badly. Every bordering countries have many short range AAM variants, couple have beyond visual AA capability. Meanwhile TNI AU is still dinking around w/ unguided rockets and dumb bombs for its newest fleet.

Hope things change for the better soon! :)

Those missiles are Kh-31("The Kh-31 is designed to engage illuminating radars of long- and medium-range air defense missile systems as well as other ground- and sea-based radars operating in the appropriate wavelength band. ")
But yeah, our neighbours have AIM-120, R73, R27 and maybe even R77.....
Our aircrafts only AIM-9P2 and AIM-9P4 with just 8 km range....:-(

garandman

05-26-2009, 11:59 AM

yeah. TNI needs AAMs badly. Every bordering countries have many short range AAM variants, couple have beyond visual AA capability. Meanwhile TNI AU is still dinking around w/ unguided rockets and dumb bombs for its newest fleet.

Hope things change for the better soon! :)

BTW.. karbol.. to respond to your battery powered AK sidefolder... here is my new sniper ahem.. hunting setup :)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=945&pictureid=13308

You need to get a PMAG in FDE for this bad boy .....

TheBroncos

05-26-2009, 12:22 PM

Kapal Perang Malaysia Lagi-Lagi Langgar Kedaulatan NKRI

TLDM is poking and attempting to soften TNI AL responses. The funny thing is foreign fishing and smuggling ships usually won't have any issue going in and out RI territorial water. Few years back, a whole US CV battlegroup was passing through RI water (at least by EEZ standard) and was not detected aside from the F/A 18 flying caps.

I wonder why TNI AL don't play the same game w/ Malay's territory. Think of is friendly 'training' exercise. :D

You need to get a PMAG in FDE for this bad boy .....

Have bunch of pmags in all 3 colors... but 450 requires different spring and single load top. I don't want to sacrifice too many pmags for it :)

5.56 vs 450

http://www.frontierdynamics.com/SPO/bushmaster3.jpg

Revive

05-26-2009, 05:43 PM

LoL, is also funny if u read the same article with vice versa view based of POV

TheBroncos

05-26-2009, 08:01 PM

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/26/ri-not-to-increase-naval-fleet-in-ambalat/

RI not to increase naval fleet in Ambalat

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Indonesia will not increase the strength of its naval fleet in Ambalat waters following border violations by Malaysian naval vessels, Indonesian Navy Chief Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said here on Tuesday.

The Indonesian Navy chief said the six warships that had been deployed to guard the border in the area so far were already enough.

"We are also assisted by KPLP (sea and coastal guards unit) personnel, police and officers of the Maritime and Fisheries Ministry in guarding the Ambalat area. So, we do not need additional naval strength there," the Navy chief said.

He said border violations could occur because there were no clear markers of the Indonesia-Malaysia border in Ambalat waters ..............................................contin

The alleged location...
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=04.03,%20118.01&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il

ktbedy

05-27-2009, 01:33 AM

Nothing new equipment, Nothing special just sharing photos, enjoy its...
My apology for bad quality of pics...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7273ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7288ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7231ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7348ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7370ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7351ewk.jpg

ktbedy

05-27-2009, 01:37 AM

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7355ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7357ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7360ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7364ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7368ewk.jpg

karbol

05-27-2009, 02:26 AM

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7360ewk.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/ktbedy/MILITARY/IMG_7364ewk.jpg

thx for the Pics... now this is interesting. Udayana allready use PINDAD 6X6. i thought only Siliwangi already use it...

Aghost

05-27-2009, 10:35 PM

indogtr19

05-27-2009, 10:38 PM

Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.

Why does Pindad want to make it look like S.Korea's LVT? Can't they come up with an original design? Anything is better than the old BTRs I guess.....

bambu runcing

05-27-2009, 11:01 PM

indogtr19

05-27-2009, 11:15 PM

We hope the next project with SK would be a light battle tank

How about a main battle tank p-)

karbol

05-27-2009, 11:31 PM

Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.

now this is very-very interesting pics... thx a lot bro....

about pindad light tank, i've heard they already made a prototype. my friend said it's a scorpion look a like...

Aghost

05-27-2009, 11:40 PM

now this is very-very interesting pics... thx a lot bro....

about pindad light tank, i've heard they already made a prototype. my friend said it's a scorpion look a like...

I think you're right Karbol, TNI is fall in love with this scorpion tank coz it's suitable with Indonesia condition, and from the picture taken by Formil member when visiting Pindad a few times ago, they saw Scorpion tank were disassemble and look like they learn that tank.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/544/tankpindad.jpg

Aghost

05-27-2009, 11:49 PM

Another good news guys, pindad had developed MLRS and its fitted on Anoa platform. sorry for the bad quality pictures coz it was taken from O Channel news.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/IMG_4338.jpg

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/IMG_4336.jpg
Any body have a better pictures....?

Johanus Bau

05-27-2009, 11:51 PM

thx for the Pics... now this is interesting. Udayana allready use PINDAD 6X6. i thought only Siliwangi already use it...

As far as I know Kodam IX/Udayana have two Pindad Anoas.... and Kodam IM have one...

Kopassus

05-28-2009, 12:01 AM

Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1043&pictureid=13369
Wo, how do you get this sensitive confidential drawings? Inside connections....

Kopassus

05-28-2009, 12:05 AM

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/26/ri-not-to-increase-naval-fleet-in-ambalat/

The alleged location...
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=04.03,%20118.01&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il
Thanks, this map shows us that Ambalat really belongs to NKRI.
It was on Metro TV or TV One, but on this reportase they said in 1969 or 1970 RI and Malaysia were agreed that Ambalat belongs to RI, but Sipadan and Ligitan problem was not solved.

TheBroncos

05-28-2009, 12:23 AM

How about a main battle tank p-)

That's as silly as how some suggest that TNI should have a carrier. p-)

Originally Posted by Aghost
Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.

Keep it simple stupid is always smart.

Now if only TNI will actually order these in quantity!

Tunasa

05-28-2009, 01:07 AM

Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1043&pictureid=13369

Wow, somebody will get into big trouble at Pindad. Well it looks like it is only conceptual drawing but still.......

Nice insight. Thanks

Kopassus

05-28-2009, 02:41 AM

Copy existing design is much more cheaper than developing own one. Pindad doesn't have big budget for R&D as RI government never grant them any R&D project. All R&D in Pindad conducted by Pindad's own money, a small portion of their limited annual earning.

I pretty much agree on cooperation between Pindad & South Korea (SK). I wonder, is it with Hyundai Rotem or other SK firm?

From SK, we can 'steal' American technology with much lower price.
Just precaution, do not use any American stuff on Pindad's AAV

We hope the next project with SK would be a light battle tank

I have found this, (posted 15 Desember 2007)

South Korea’s rolling stock maker Rotem will transfer technology to Indonesia to help the Southeast Asian nation develop wheeled armored fighting vehicles, the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) announced Dec. 13.

Representatives from Rotem, a unit of Hyundai Motor, and Indonesia’s PT.PINDAD signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on the joint development and production of six-wheel-drive armored vehicles during a ceremony at DAPA’s headquarters in central Seoul.

“We believe this MoU will pave the way for the future export of South Korea’s armored vehicle technology to foreign countries, particularly Asian and Middle Eastern nations,” said Cmdr. Park Sung-soo, a public affairs officer for DAPA.

wesuper

05-28-2009, 01:30 PM

long time no posting here

sorry if repost

paches elang biru

http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=128544&g2_serialNumber=4 http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=128541&g2_serialNumber=4

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l60/elly_y2005/aam.jpg

http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/photo/photo_20031215_122835.jpg

http://www.tni-au.mil.id/images/photo/photo_20031213_171558.jpg
www.tni-au.mil.id/

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/401-500/Fea440_Indonesian-planes_Sidharta/05_ElangBiru.jpg
- www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/2/27/Blue_Falcon.jpg

http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=181163&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=8a009f14f2a30dbd32f99042a8a7952a
- www.f-16.net/

Kopassus

05-29-2009, 12:00 AM

The legendary Elang Biru....Thanks!

That's as silly as how some suggest that TNI should have a carrier. p-)

What a ridiculous idea...NO!! We need a fleet of SSBNs and strategic supersonic stealth bombers ofcourse!! Dilengkapi dgn supercruise and AC....:)

karbol

05-29-2009, 12:13 AM

Pindad planned to develop Amphibious Assault vehicle (AAV), to replace the old BTR-50. They collaborated with South Korean Defense Industry so the AAV will be look like their LVT.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1043&pictureid=13369

i saw from another forum, there are protest about this pics.
http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=272726&page=145

aghost, is this really your pics? or do you have a permit to upload this?

Kopassus

05-29-2009, 12:24 AM

I ve found this pictuer on the internet too (forgot the website), so it isnt Aghost that was the first one posting this picture.

wesuper

05-29-2009, 01:46 AM

^^^
that pic originaly belong to my comeradde "blue_danube"

he was okay if published just asking why whitout any permision or tagging his name on that pic

actually i got one to

just only two guys have this pic , me and blue_danube

http://upload.kapanlagi.com/show.php?photo=20090529005239_project_4a1ecf67bb1a9.JPG

nb:

the real name given on that projetc was not " AAV "

just waiting till PINDAD have oficially released

wesuper

05-29-2009, 02:31 AM

just make comparation whit
PT PAL AFV design

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q430/jhon_ipenk/afv-1.jpg

Aghost

05-29-2009, 04:12 AM

i saw from another forum, there are protest about this pics.
http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=272726&page=145

aghost, is this really your pics? or do you have a permit to upload this?

Koppasus right Karbol, I've got it from our friend blog "Alutsista blogspot" so I just pass it to this forum.

gungho

05-29-2009, 05:11 AM

I think the Pindad one's better, although PT.PAL may have the better experience on making 'floating' vehicles

does anyone know, how many of these amphibious vehicle our TNI's ordering???

karbol

05-29-2009, 11:01 AM

I think the Pindad one's better, although PT.PAL may have the better experience on making 'floating' vehicles

does anyone know, how many of these amphibious vehicle our TNI's ordering???

none....:-(

Koppasus right Karbol, I've got it from our friend blog "Alutsista blogspot" so I just pass it to this forum.

ok then... but please to put on the credit from where you got it.

btw, i want to know you guys opinion about RUU Rahasia Negara...? this is a government list about nation secret ( is it correct ini english?:roll:)

sumber dari tempo:

link: http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/koran/2009/05/05/Nasional/krn.20090505.164422.id.html

Daftar Rahasia Versi Pemerintah
Pasal 6 Rancangan Undang-Undang Rahasia Negara mengatur tentang informasi apa saja yang dikategorikan rahasia. Ini adalah beberapa di antaranya, khususnya yang berkaitan dengan "rencana, organisasi, dan fungsi mobilisasi penyebaran TNI".

Informasi yang berkaitan dengan struktur terperinci TNI, penempatan, kemampuan staf dan daftar gaji, persenjataan dan sistem kendali TNI, badan/dinas satuan tugas, grup, detasemen, kesatuan khusus atau fasilitas khusus.
Informasi yang berkaitan dengan tugas dan kemampuan tempur TNI atau kekuatan lain, dinas atau satuan tugas, atau segala sesuatu yang berpotensi untuk menjadi area atau sasaran permusuhan/penghancuran.
Organisasi, fungsi, dan kemampuan teknis yang dimaksudkan untuk pengumpulan intelijen elektronik.
Informasi tentang pejabat tinggi negara dan pemerintah yang berwenang dan bertanggung jawab atas kesiagaan pertahanan.
Informasi yang berkaitan dengan rancang-bangun, pengujian industri, dan penempatan dalam kesatuan tentang prototipe baru persenjataan, teknologi tempur, amunisi, dan kemampuan mobilisasi industri.
Organisasi, penyebaran, persenjataan, tugas, dan kemampuan kesatuan intelijen dan organ-organnya.
Materi dan data geodetik dan peta, model dan data digital, citra, film dan photograph, dokumen photographic, yang berisi lokasi, tipe, karakter, penggunaan, atau rekayasa perlengkapan fasilitas dan area penting.
Informasi yang berkaitan dengan impor dan ekspor persenjataan, teknologi perang, dan amunisi untuk penggunaan (perbekalan) TNI menghadapi perang.
Data tentang tipe, keberadaan, dan karakteristik dari perlengkapan khusus, senjata, amunisi, perlengkapan perlindungan orang, instrumentasi, dan material yang digunakan TNI.

sumber: daftar inventaris masalah RUU Rahasia Negara versi Pemerintah

if this UU (what in english for UU?:roll:) came true maybe we should closed this thread...:-(

Kopassus

05-29-2009, 10:29 PM

I think the Pindad one's better, although PT.PAL may have the better experience on making 'floating' vehicles
Afaik PAL's projest was based on the BTR-50.

btw, i want to know you guys opinion about RUU Rahasia Negara...? this is a government list about nation secret ( is it correct ini english?:roll:)

if this UU (what in english for UU?:roll:) came true maybe we should closed this thread...:-(
Everything which already been published on the internet by our government, forums, Indonesian or foreign press, or other foreign sources, can be post again here, in my opinion.

But yes, if we get some pictures or information first hand which maybe be confidentional or secret (whats the difference?) we should be carefull with it.
Thats why i never have posted pictures of the enginecontrolroom from KRI Diponegoro or close-up pictures from the aiming device/instruments of our FH-2000.....

TheBroncos

05-30-2009, 12:46 AM

if this UU (what in english for UU?:roll:) came true maybe we should closed this thread...:-(

This proposal is pointless for the most part considering most of TNI armaments are imported. While it may be effective locally, most international transactions are announced/published publicly anyway.

The Indonesian public needs to understand better how minimal TNI armaments are and how little field soldiers get (wage/accommodation wise). TNI in turn should be more transparent and improves its public image. This proposed bill will encourage the opposite.

I hope this will not be enacted to the legislation.

That's my 2 pennies.

wesuper

05-30-2009, 04:26 AM

^^^^^

i think totally a gree whit you guys...

more pic

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3578174036_889d14ba7b_o.jpg

the amx-13 (oscillating turret, main gun 90mm) was formerly cavallery of TNI AD (Indonesian Army) now just being monument in the front of MAKOSTRAD
at Gambir , Jakarta INDONESIA

TheBroncos

05-30-2009, 02:46 PM

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/21/indonesia-considering-purchase-of-four-new-hercules-planes/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/30/2585334.htm
http://in.*******.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-39982020090530

INTERVIEW - Indonesia aims to buy planes, submarines
Sat May 30, 2009 2:38pm IST Email | Print | Share | Single Page [-] Text [+]

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By Harry Suhartono

SINGAPORE (*******) - Indonesia is in talks with the United States to buy Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules transport planes and might be in a position to buy fighter jets and submarines in 2-3 years, its defence minister said.

Juwono Sudarsono told ******* on Saturday after talks with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates that no final agreement had yet been reached on the transport planes, a possible first step in upgrading its military.

"With Gates we discussed the possibility of Hercules ... but because the market of that particular plane is quite tight we have to wait our turn," Sudarsono said in an interview.

"He promised for a discounted price but we don't know how much the discount will be. Because it is in their interest for Indonesia to remain stable," he said.

The country aims to raise its defence spending to 1.2 percent of gross domestic product within five years, from 0.68 percent or 33.6 trillion rupiah ($3.3 billion) now, Sudarsono said.

"It all depends on how quick the economy will recover," he said.

He said the defense spending of the world's fourth-most populous nation, home to 226 million people, was far below neighbouring countries such as Singapore, Australia and Malaysia.

China is building up its military and Australia said this month it plans a $72 billion defense upgrade over the next 20 years, including new submarines, leading to fears among some experts of an arms race in Asia as countries look to maintain control over trade routes and borders. continue....

Another hot air or there is hope?

TheBroncos

05-30-2009, 02:48 PM

Maintenance Budget to increase also!

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-05/25/content_11432912.htm

Indonesian defense ministry seeks increasing system maintenance fund in 2010
www.chinaview.cn 2009-05-25 17:22:16 Print
JAKARTA, May 25 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian Defense Ministry would increase fund for its 2010 budget for maintaining its defense system main equipment to 1 trillion rupiah (about 97.9 million U.S dollars) from 600 billion rupiah (about 58.7 million dollars) this year, the private news portal detikcom quoted a minister on Monday.

"Currently, the budget is around 600 billion rupiah for military. We'll try to increase it to 700 billion rupiah (68.5 million dollars) this year, similar as 2008. And in 2010, we hope to further increase it to 1 trillion rupiah," said Defense Minister Juwono Sudharsono.

He said that the amount was a "minimum essential funding for minimum essential forces."

"Therefore, we can increase soldiers' safety level in using high risk defense system main equipment," he said.

He also said that the maintenance allocation could not be taken from the state budget, but from efficiency from other pots in the ministry's budget.

He added that he appreciated the parliament's proposal of purchasing new defense system main equipment. However, he said, it could be delayed given the insufficient state budget.

Critics said that the military plane crash last week was due to insufficient fund to maintain its equipment.

Johanus Bau

05-31-2009, 10:57 PM

gungho

06-01-2009, 08:16 AM

none....:-(

ok then... but please to put on the credit from where you got it.

btw, i want to know you guys opinion about RUU Rahasia Negara...? this is a government list about nation secret ( is it correct ini english?:roll:)

if this UU (what in english for UU?:roll:) came true maybe we should closed this thread...:-(

that's a ridiculous UU, since when does official arms deal can be discreet, most nations even publicly boasts their arms deal, much for political reasons as well, just like the Ozzies who recently ordered the new batch of F-18Es Super Hornets

I really think, TNI should just let the people know about all the arms transaction they're planning to do.. and IMHO, it will give more peace of mind for the Indonesian people knowing that their soldiers are being equipped with new equipments & armaments, unlike the last incident with the Herc, Rest in Peace for the fallen comrades...

This proposal is pointless for the most part considering most of TNI armaments are imported. While it may be effective locally, most international transactions are announced/published publicly anyway.

The Indonesian public needs to understand better how minimal TNI armaments are and how little field soldiers get (wage/accommodation wise). TNI in turn should be more transparent and improves its public image. This proposed bill will encourage the opposite.

I hope this will not be enacted to the legislation.

That's my 2 pennies.

i'll add 2 more pennies to that mate :)

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/5/21/indonesia-considering-purchase-of-four-new-hercules-planes/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/30/2585334.htm
http://in.*******.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-39982020090530

Another hot air or there is hope?

about time, better late than never..

Kopassus

06-01-2009, 10:17 AM

Oke, the budget for defence for 2008 was 13,98 trilyun, and the planned budget for this year was 12,28 trilyun. Is this exclusive the $300/330/335/350? jt for the 6 Sukhois?

karbol

06-01-2009, 11:14 AM

^^the budget to buy Sukhoi+subs+etc was coming from credit from uncle rusia...

karbol

06-01-2009, 11:23 AM

news from frontline....p-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QbL-d18AHI

gungho

06-01-2009, 11:04 PM

ooooo... now this is becoming hotter

Johanus Bau

06-01-2009, 11:25 PM

ooooo... now this is becoming hotter

This needs to be resolved quickly by the two governments. The problem is that both countries are following different maps relating to their respective borders. The media is not making the situation any easier by making a bigger deal out of the issue than it is.

General Santoso has commented that both navies are following agreed standard operating procedures regarding violations so there will not be a war... but Deplu has to bring Malaysia back to the negotiating table to finalise this issue because it has the potential to lead to tragedy.

TheBroncos

06-02-2009, 12:51 AM

ooooo... now this is becoming hotter

Nahhh... as long as the RI knows how to use its diplomacy asset. This thing will blow over. SBY seems to be better at State Diplomacy than the previous administrations which loss few hundred miles2 within a 5 year span.

If TNI plays this out correctly, any kind of border intrusion or *God forbid incident will benefit TNI in the long term. RI GDP is larger than any two SE Asian countries combined, yet its defense budget is half of Singapore. :roll:

Tunasa

06-02-2009, 01:40 AM

Kopassus

06-02-2009, 01:52 AM

This needs to be resolved quickly by the two governments. The problem is that both countries are following different maps relating to their respective borders. The media is not making the situation any easier by making a bigger deal out of the issue than it is.

General Santoso has commented that both navies are following agreed standard operating procedures regarding violations so there will not be a war... but Deplu has to bring Malaysia back to the negotiating table to finalise this issue because it has the potential to lead to tragedy.

I've taken this picture from the telly. You can see the border (white dotted line) and the part that Malingsia wants to steal from us. Its very clearly onthis map that its completely ridiculous that they claim its theirs.

http://94.100.114.84/599650001-599700000/599669301-599669400/599669381_5_QxfW.jpeg

Kopassus

06-02-2009, 01:59 AM

^^the budget to buy Sukhoi+subs+etc was coming from credit from uncle rusia...

No it isn't

Air force to sign loan agreement on Sukhoi jet fighters

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Sun, 08/24/2008 4:32 PM | National

Indonesia will sign a loan agreement with Russia on the purchase of six Sukhoi fighter planes in September, 2008.

"According to the result of a meeting between the Defence Ministry, the Finance Ministry, the National Defense Force and the Air Force on Saturday, the loan agreement will be signed in September," Air Force chief Air Marshal Soebandrio said Sunday as quoted by Antara news agency.

He said that the six Sukhoi aircraft, which would arrive in stages in 2008 and 2009, were urgently needed to strengthen the Indonesian Air Force.

The Russian Sukhoi company announced last year the sale of six fighting aircraft to Indonesia worth US$300 million.

The memorandum of understanding (MoU) on the procurement of the six Sukhoi planes was signed during the Moscow aerospace exhibition in August 2007. In the MoU however it was mentioned that the selling value of the six aircraft was $355 million.

Three units of SU-30MK2 type complete with the armament are scheduled to arrive in Indonesia in 2008 and the SU-27SKM type units in 2009.

The six Sukhoi fighters will an addition to the four aircrafts of the Squadron 11 at the Hasanuddin airbase in Makassar, South Sulawesi.

The purchase of the six Sukhoi aircraft was not included in the credit scheme given by the Russian government worth $1 billion in weapon systems for Indonesia signed in 2007 for the next four years. (dre)

I think the 335jt is from some export credits. But i dont understand what that means.

I only know the 1 milyar is for two Project 636 subs and 17 BMP-3F.

Aghost

06-02-2009, 02:15 AM

Nahhh... as long as the RI knows how to use its diplomacy asset. This thing will blow over. SBY seems to be better at State Diplomacy than the previous administrations which loss few hundred miles2 within a 5 year span.

If TNI plays this out correctly, any kind of border intrusion or *God forbid incident will benefit TNI in the long term. RI GDP is larger than any two SE Asian countries combined, yet its defense budget is half of Singapore. :roll:

Naah....our department of foreign affair is too weak, especially the Malaysia ambasador one. I see a lot of problem with our neighbour there (TKI abuse, culture claim, territory claim) till now it's still unsolved. and the latest issue is Manohare escape from her Kelantan prince husband was under assistance of US Government and Singapore Police, but our foreign affair didn't have any effort, I am very ashamed of that.
If Government want to have strong diplomacy power, this time they should choose career diplomat to fill the ambassador position rather than put retired police commander.

TheBroncos

06-02-2009, 02:17 AM

Yeah, we need to be skillful with the international diplomacy.

I don't think we can compare our GDP with our neighbors, theirs are smaller but their GDP per capita are much larger than us.

GDP data is there for comparison. Defense budget is typically based on percentage of GDP. RI's GDP is almost twice of Thailand, and double of Malaysia... our defense budget is less than 1% of GDP while others are at 4% or more.

Nominal GDP is offset by population. p-)

TheBroncos

06-02-2009, 02:28 AM

No it isn't

I think the 335jt is from some export credits. But i dont understand what that means.

I only know the 1 milyar is for two Project 636 subs and 17 BMP-3F.

1 Billion export credit is the total loan from Russia to purchase the Sukhoi, 2 subs, Mi helicopters, and BMPs at 5.6% interest.

The six will bring the total number of Indonesia's Sukhoi fleet to 10 by 2010, strengthening the airforce squadrons across the country, Mahandono added.

Russia has provided Indonesia with a US$1 billion-credit scheme to finance this and other military purchases from the European military giant, including 22 helicopters, 20 amphibious tanks and two submarines.

"The first two jets out of the six bought by Indonesia have been delivered to the customer," the Interfax news agency quoted a Sukhoi spokesman as saying in Moscow.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/27/new-fighter-jets-land-ri.html

Naah....our department of foreign affair is too weak,

You are missing the point. Knowing how SBY handled Aceh, he probably will take advantage of the situation. As RI will look weak, there will be overwhelming support for stronger navy, air force, etc.