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Aghost
08-04-2009, 01:24 AM
please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..

I found it when searching with google. The picture was upload on photobucket and posted on Kaskus, since the owner didn't delete it the picture will still exist on the net. So the one who upload it on photobucket should delete it, then my picture will automaticly dissappear too..

gungho
08-04-2009, 04:36 AM
damn, SBY looked so skinny in that pics.. he should've kept his weight like that, too much gudeg etc I guess hehehe...

kecemplunglagi
08-04-2009, 04:46 AM
Gudeg? Naaah, kacang bawang and Cikeas' very own tahu goreng :)

Prabowo has red-rimmed colonel epaulet, that means he was commanding officer of a battalion? One of Kopassus' group? And what was SBY's position?

karbol
08-04-2009, 05:11 AM
Gudeg? Naaah, kacang bawang and Cikeas' very own tahu goreng :)

Prabowo has red-rimmed colonel epaulet, that means he was commanding officer of a battalion? One of Kopassus' group? And what was SBY's position?

a battalion commander in kopassus are letkol, not kolonel. a kolonel in kopassus commanding a group. but you see the 'M' patch in his right arms, meaning is that his assignment are in kopassus headquarter. i think, at that time he was Wadanjen Kopassus...

not sure about the SBY. maybe he was DANREM or ASOPS KODAM jaya or Danbrig 17...

equilibrium37
08-04-2009, 05:19 AM
Hi there.... they are in the same rank... Colonel

Whats with the the guys face behind Prabowo ... heheheh; kena colekan maut'nya prabowo mungkin. rofl


@Karbol: I've been around man, lurking and just on sightseeing mp.net. Haven't really felt like posting anything. Hahaha; i dont have any pictures. Well i do have some interesting ones, but they're from you and i dont think its appropriate for me to post them. p-)

p.s: Just a thought; maybe to keep this thread alive we could post the news from the alutsista thread ? Just a thought.

equilibrium37
08-04-2009, 05:22 AM
Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

koxinga
08-04-2009, 07:01 AM
please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..

the mlrs? considering it was on national TV...

garandman
08-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:

blue_danube
08-04-2009, 05:26 PM
please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..
thank you for the info, gan....
i'll delete the pic ASAP, since the owner complained me...

Johanus Bau
08-04-2009, 10:01 PM
I will ask the same question bro.. coz this thread become so bored without any new pictures, so let's heat this thread. I will start, I have an curious picture from another forum, looks like mobile rocket launcher tested by Pindad. Anyone have any info about this...



Err, it is not classified guys... it was reported widely in the news... Just do a search on Google for LAPAN and Pindad and you will get all the info on the rocket being tested....

karbol
08-04-2009, 10:50 PM
Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:


Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

What FN46? Can you post the pic?

equilibrium37
08-05-2009, 06:17 AM
Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:

Am I missing out on something here ?

@Karbol: yeah i said the same thing, what FN46... Never heard of it until that day, googled it and only found articles of them being used by separatists in places such as Poso, Timor, etc.
Here's the picture:

Details: 9x19mm, single stack magazine, 9 round capacity.

gungho
08-05-2009, 08:11 AM
looks like Cz75 from its appearance

fcaesarn
08-05-2009, 10:01 AM
Nice pics from the web...

http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/jangan-sekali-kali-melupakan-sejarah/

http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/upfiles/7368/90E0BAF160D54887BB4C838E8BD84079.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/r_adrie/GelarPasresz.jpg

http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/upfiles/7368/C2D2B3B6E71C4321A81AC11D3729B982.jpg

ZAYYANA
08-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Can't Opened http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2...pakan-sejarah/ (http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/jangan-sekali-kali-melupakan-sejarah/)

karbol
08-06-2009, 12:54 AM
Am I missing out on something here ?

@Karbol: yeah i said the same thing, what FN46... Never heard of it until that day, googled it and only found articles of them being used by separatists in places such as Poso, Timor, etc.
Here's the picture:

Details: 9x19mm, single stack magazine, 9 round capacity.

hmmm... interesting. AFAIK Pindad never made those guns. but in 60-70's Pindad do modified a lot of type of firearms...

toukairin
08-06-2009, 06:57 AM
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/grab-1.jpg

JK and his legacy... :)

i think PINDAD should named the panser 'KALLA PANSER'... not ANOA...

enak aja, dia tuh mesen 150 tapi cuma ngasih duit buat bikin 30! orang gila namanya! >:( sampe2 yang ditugasi bikin stres kayaknya.

karbol
08-07-2009, 12:15 AM
enak aja, dia tuh mesen 150 tapi cuma ngasih duit buat bikin 30! orang gila namanya! >:( sampe2 yang ditugasi bikin stres kayaknya.

well, i think that's not 100% his fault. you know how things works in our Depkeu...

anyway, back to pics...


http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4104L-015.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4990T-003.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-004.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-005.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-006.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-008.jpg

pics taken from CARAT webs...

equilibrium37
08-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Thank youu for this useful information, I myself wasnt really sure what the heck was going on. So many diff. sides of stories from diff. sources.

p.s: Lets all just relax, dont let this get out of control :hug:

karbol
08-07-2009, 03:09 AM
more pics...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090720-N-7058E-019.jpg

090720-N-7058E-019 JAVA SEA (July 20, 2009) The Indonesian Navy patrol vessel KRI Barakuda (PB 814) escorts the utility landing craft LCU 1651 as it carries Sailors and Marines participating in the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Lt. Ed Early/Released)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-012.jpg

090721-M-0353S-012 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 21, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment and Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion conduct rifle physical training during the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Dustin T. Schalue/Released)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090724-M-0000X-495.jpg


090724-M-0000X-495 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 24, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment and Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion congratulate each other after the closing ceremony of the first part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (Indonesia Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Heri Sulistyono/Released)


http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090723-M-0353S-027.jpg

090723-M-0353S-027 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 23, 2009) Cpl. Domenico Fornaro of 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment, explains the M16A4 Service Rifle to Head Pvt. Ahmad Zulfi from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Dustin T. Schalue/Released

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-5797H-001.jpg



090722-M-5797H-001 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment practice body blows with Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during a Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Tyler J. Hlavac/Released

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-0000X-054.jpg

090722-M-0000X-054 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) Private Goes Sulaiman, a fireman with 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion, carries Lance Cpl. Jared Kimmey of 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment in a casualty evacuation drill during a combat lifesaver class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (Indonesia Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Heri Sulistyono/Released)

karbol
08-07-2009, 03:15 AM
more... from CARAT web: http://www.clwp.navy.mil/CARAT2009/Photo%20archive%2064%20CARAT.htm

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-IM-6288S-348.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-067.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-061.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0000X-278.jpg

hmmm... those MARPAT looks blend well in tropical environment...

gungho
08-07-2009, 04:06 AM
another proof MARPAT woodland work so well in green side ops.. our DPM's green is just too contrast ... great pics pak!!!

equilibrium37
08-07-2009, 04:16 AM
another proof MARPAT woodland work so well in green side ops.. our DPM's green is just too contrast ... great pics pak!!!

But our DPM works very well in true rain forest jungles. Try google'ing pictures of the Indonesian Air Force SAR personnel conducting a search for a missing aircraft (in bogor's jungles i beleive).

gungho
08-07-2009, 04:31 AM
more... from CARAT web: http://www.clwp.navy.mil/CARAT2009/Photo%20archive%2064%20CARAT.htm

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-IM-6288S-348.jpg



I bet these leathernecks haven't had tokek bakar before hahaha...

bambu runcing
08-07-2009, 05:34 AM
give them Dji Sam Soe and soon they will addicted !!


I bet these leathernecks haven't had tokek bakar before hahaha...

karbol
08-08-2009, 01:33 AM
from this weekend pics... thx to MasAbri...p-)


moments before siege ends

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6594/img00967.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/img00967.jpg/)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8784/img00971.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/i/img00971.jpg/)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6958/img00972.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/img00972.jpg/)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8089/img00973.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/img00973.jpg/)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8641/img00975.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/img00975.jpg/)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6264/img00976.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img00976.jpg/)
thumbs up...Noordin's dead

karbol, these detachment 88 guys are using styer no M4's...they are not from jakarta i presumed...

karbol
08-08-2009, 09:04 AM
thx to Vaman


Pictures have started to trickle in

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Jagi
08-08-2009, 09:50 PM
Taken from the Jakarta Post 09/08/2009

Noordin M Top reportedly killed in a bathroom after 16 hour seige

Southeast Asia's most wanted terror suspect was reportedly killed during a 16-hour siege on a suspected militant hide-out that ended Saturday when police stormed the house.

Local TV stations reported militant chief Noordin Mohammad Top, who is blamed for last month's attacks on two American hotels in the capital, Jakarta, was killed in the bathroom of the house in a rice-growing village in central Java province following a lengthy bomb and gun battle.

Those reports were not confirmed by police. DNA tests will likely have to be performed to ensure the identification.

The suicide attacks on the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in Jakarta killed seven people, all but one of them foreigners, and ended a four-year pause in terror strikes in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.

Noordin is also believed to have played a major role in four other bombing in Indonesia since 2002, including nightclub attacks on the resort island of Bali that year that killed 202 people, mostly foreigners.

He later emerged as a regional terrorist leader and skilled bomb maker who has been accused of masterminding a series of suicide attacks - including the triple Bali bombins in 2005 - that killed dozens of people.

Killing or capturing him would be a major victory in Indonesia's fight against militants and could significantly weaken the chances of more attacks, given the key planning, financial and motivational role he is believed to have played in terror networks.

Polic spokesman Nanan Sukarna said officers believed Noordin, who is Southeast Asia's most wanted militant suspect, and two or three of his followers were inside, but could not immediately confirm their fate.

Minutes after the raid, witnesses said officers outside the house tookoff their helmets and were shaking hands with each other, suggesting all those inside had either been killed or captured. The firing ceased.

A police officer at the scene said a body was found in the bathroom of the house and authorities brought a coffin there. After about one hour, three ambulances left te home.

Earlier Saturday, officers raided a second house close to Jakarta where they shot and killed two suspected militants and seized bombs and a car rigged to carry them, said Police chief Gen. Bambang Hendarso Danuri.

Danuri said one of those arrested had reserved a room in one of the hotels that was used by the terrorists before they attacked.

The house was about three miles (five kilometers) from the residence of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. The Detik.com Web site, quoting an unnamed police source, said officers believed Yudhoyono's house could have been planning an attack there.

Officers circled the house in central Java province late Friday afternoon after making arrests in a nearby town. At one point, they sent remote-controlled robots into the isolated building to search for bombs

Not long before they stormed the red-tiled building, officers dressed in black behind a shield fired into the house from close range, while others fired repeated volleys from a hill behind it.

Indonesian police have been met with ****y traps and suicide bombers in at least one other raid on a terrorist hide-out and approached the house with extreme caution.

Noordin is a Malaysian citizen who claimed in a video in 2005 to be al-Qaida's representative in Southeast Asia and to be carrying out attacks on Western civilians to avenge Muslim deaths in Afghanistan.

Indonesian police have arrested more than 200 militants associated with the Jemaah Islamiyah terror network since 2002, including many with ties to Noordin, who they say has narrowly escaped capture several times.

Police have offered a $100,000 reward for information leading to his capture. Experts say Noordin was likely being hidden by a small network of sympathizers who might not agree with his tactics, but nevertheless believe they have a duty to shelter him.

Java, home to more than half of Indonesia's 220 million people, has long been the focus in the hunt for Noordin and his associates.

In November 2005, Azahari bin Husin, a top Jemaah Islamiyah bomb maker, was fatally shot by counterterrorism forces in east Java. Sariyah Jabir, another explosives expert, was killed in April 2006 during a raid on a militant hide-out in central Java.

Prosecutors say Noordin also orchestrated an earlier attack on the J.W. Marriott Hotel in 2003 and a blast outside the Australian Embassy in 2004, both in the Indonesian capital. Al-Qaida is believed to have helped fund several of the attacks.

Together the bombings allegedly linked Noordin killed more than 240 people, many of them Western tourists.

bambu runcing
08-09-2009, 06:38 AM
in the first time i agree police special forces suspend the direct raid into the house until daylight. It was too dangerous as we cannot see how many bad guys inside the house and how strong their armament was
I hope police can catch at least one suspect alive.

But only after we found out that there is only one person in the house, and he was dead, I can only sigh (yaaaahhh....)

I just hope the dead man really Noordin M Top, dead or alive worth for 16 hours siege.






Salute to Brimob for being able to hold their position for a whole night!!
I guess the raid is not efficient enough seeing they didnt utilize their crucial equipments
such NVG,tear gas,or even flashbangs during the night operation

Special Units
08-09-2009, 11:48 AM
These gents from Det 88?

GEGANA
see left arm patch

Special Units
08-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Not to mention that it says "Special Task Force" in english above his right breast pocket.... definitely not Indonesian.... definitely Sri Lankan...

Special Task Force operator is definitely Sri Lanka special police unit.

gungho
08-09-2009, 10:32 PM
That personel in the middle,was he carrying an SPR or is it an SR series?
SR-25 perhaps? Are both of these weapons also being deployed by countries other than US?

I believe that's AR10, it's officially being used by the Police for marksman purposes... aside from that, they also use AUG Steyr, M4 RIS, SS1, AK104 and I saw one using a bolt action riffle on TV, he wasn't wearing any uniform though..

ZAYYANA
08-09-2009, 10:56 PM
Anybody know n can confirm that the death body from Temanggung is Noordin M Top.......?

bambu runcing
08-10-2009, 08:47 AM
GOOD NEWS Bro !!

PT DI got their NBell-412 license back from Bell Textron
PT DI built NBell-412 since 1984 but the licence discontinued in 2000
WHY ???

Since then, PT DI don't cannot provide TNI with light-medium class helicopter. So, TNI AD planned to acquire a squadron of Sokol (Poland built Mi-2) to fill the NBell-412 role and TNI AL on their way with troubled purchase plan of 16 Mi-2 (used) from Russia.

This NBell-412 EP definitely will axe the Sokol dan Mi-2 !!

In two years, PT DI will deliver 10 NBell-412 for TNI AD (6) and Basarnas/National SAR Forces (4)

''We predict 22 helicopter will be produce until 2014. If everything ready, we will begin this year, '' said VPMarketing and Sales Aircraft Integration PT DI Arie Wibowo quoted by detik.com

http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2009/08/10/164800/1180673/4/pt-di-siap-pasok-helikopter-untuk-tni


Hurray....

PICS From IAE (PT DI) site
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_01.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_02.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_03.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_04.jpg



news from PT DI site:
PT DIRGANTARA AND BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON Inc
Signed a Memorandum of Understanding

Today (August 10, 2009), Mr. Budi Santoso, the President Director of PT Dirgantara Indonesia ((Persero) or Indonesian Aerospace and Mr. **** Millnan, president and CEO of Bell Helicopter signed a Memorandum of Understanding to collaborate on supplying helicopters to Indonesia Government agencies.

The Bell model 412 EP helicopters are manufactured in North America and will be assembled at PTDI’s facilities in Bandung, Indonesia. During the assembly process, PTDI will be adding value by installing users in Indonesia. Final delivery of the Bell model 412 EP helicopters to the government end-users will also take place at PTDI’s facilities of Bandung Indonesia.

There are almost 80 Bell helicopters of various models operating currently in Indonesia. 31 of these are the variants of the Bell 412 EP helicopter to include 27 Bell 412 SPs, 4 Bell 412 HPs, and 5 Bell 412 EPs. All of Bell 412 SPs & 412 HP helicopters were manufactured under license from Bell Helicopter by IPTN in the 1980’s and 1990’s.

The signing ceremony today was witnessed by the Indonesia Deputy Minister for State Owned Enterprises, Sahala Lumban Gaol, and the US Ambassador to Indonesia, Cameron Hume.

PTDI is an incorporation wholly owned by the Republic of Indonesia Government was established in Bandung Indonesia on 1976, and from Spanish EADS-CASA and NBO-105 helicopter respectively from German DASA Eurocopter. Since 1984 PTDI had been manufacturing under license NBell 412 SP/HP from BHTI, USA.

At present, PTDI is also manufacturing a co-designCN-235is various versions and already operational by some countries, such as Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand, Philipine, South Korea, UAE, etc.
PTDI also manufactures under licensed NAS-332 Super Puma helicopter from Eurocopter (formerly Aerospatiale), France.

Besides manufacturing airplane and helicopter, PTDI also manufacturing aerostructure components such as for Boeing (737, 777), Bombardier, Airbus, Mitsubishi Heavy Industriy, Eurocopter and AC TRM Malaysia and as become single source of fixed leading edge of Airbus A 380. PTDI also provides a complete range of aircraft’s maintenance, overhaul, repair and alteration, engineering product and services covers flight simulator, mobile communication, hovercraft, giraffe radar, airport design, etc. The company also provides military & defense products and its maintenance including Rocket FFAR 2,75”, Torpedo SUT NDL 40 for Army and Navy.

Bell Helicopter, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Textron Inc., is an industry-leading producer of commercial and military, manned and unmanned vertical lift aircraft and the pioneer of the revolutionary tilt rotor aircraft. Globally recognized for world-class customer service, innovation and superior quality, Bell’s global work force serves customers flying Bell aircraft in more than 120 countries.

Textron Inc. (NYSE:TXT) is a multi-industry company that leverages its global network of aircraft, defense, industrial and finance business to provide customers with innovative solutions and services. Textron is known around the world for its powerful brands such as Bell Helicopter, Cessna Aircraft Company, Jacobsen, Kautex, Lycoming, E-Z-GO, Greenlee, and Textron Systems. More information is available at www.textron.com (http://www.textron.com).

fcaesarn
08-11-2009, 09:26 AM
Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00009-20090807-0844.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00008-20090807-0833.jpg

Jalsky06
08-11-2009, 12:24 PM
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-5797H-001.jpg



090722-M-5797H-001 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment practice body blows with Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during a Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Tyler J. Hlavac/Released

wow! that's Denjaka Officer (see the patch on the right pocket)

Johanus Bau
08-11-2009, 07:03 PM
Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg




Ah, Jln Jend Gatot Subroto right? Jakarta...

Aghost
08-11-2009, 09:40 PM
Nice info for the Anoa 4x4 delivery fcaesarm, now take a look at the latest display of PENS ITS bomb disposal robot, this robot shown at ITS campus Surabaya after some journalis courious with the status of it's development. This toy still conducting some test and will be ready for commercial production soon. Hope it will join Densus 88 on the next raid on terrorist safe house heh..heh...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1043&pictureid=15247

The government will save a lot of money with this locally built robot coz the price only around 300 Million Rupiahs or equivalent with US$ 30,000, you can compare it to the imported Robot from US or another europe country, their price around US$ 100,000 or more and that's not include the spare parts and maintenance.

Right now PENS ITS on development for the second generation robot and the research targeting to be completed on November this year, but they didn't showed up the display yet.

karbol
08-11-2009, 10:49 PM
STAY ALLERT!! NMT is alive!!

ZAYYANA
08-12-2009, 12:13 AM
Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg


I didn't know that Pindad make a version of 4x4 Anoa. as far as I know they make 6x6.

gungho
08-12-2009, 12:46 AM
STAY ALLERT!! NMT is alive!!

yup, bad news guys... the media ought to zip it before anything is certain, big stuff to claim NMT was killed but now official stated the terrorist killed was actually Ibrahim the florist..

a whole new meaning on choosing florist as a profession now haha..

karbol
08-12-2009, 12:53 AM
perhaps the Panser were transported into RITECH EXPO 2009 at Senayan...

found it in kaskus formil. credit to masmass


Panser 4x4
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4237.jpg

Panser 6x6 Commando
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4224.jpg

Maket panser kanon 6x6
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg

SPG-2 di SS1-V5R
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4211.jpg

UAV BPPT
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4231.jpg
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4232.jpg

Munisi kal. 20mm
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4233.jpg

PT LEN Transponder-target tembak torpedo
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/torp-1.jpg

Lorong tembak bergerak (untuk pistol)
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/lor.jpg

UAV PTDI
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4217.jpg

LAPAN SLV
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4205.jpg


udah capek moto nih gan
udah capek aplot lagi
minta ijo-ijo dong

ghostrecon
08-12-2009, 03:30 AM
I Believe this is not that particular Anoa, since Anoa has 6x6 wheels compared to this pictures has 4x4s. If I'm not mistaken, Indonesia Police has Tactica and Barracuda Armoured car, and this is one of them I supposed.

toukairin
08-12-2009, 04:48 AM
ok, the merah putih crew has answered my question about the guns in the movie :


Rahayu Saraswati (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000101642355&ref=mf)Wah, kayaknya kita semua lagi sangking sibuknya belum bisa jawab nihh... pertanyaan yang bagus, tetapi mungkin yang lebih tepat menjawab itu dari Art Director - Pak Iri Supit, the best in Indonesian film industry. Dan soal persenjataan harus menanyakan kepada Key Armourer - yaitu Mr. John Bowring yang menjadi key armourer Matrix 1,2,3 dan Wolverine... Read More, etc.
Tapi comment aja dari saya, waktu itu sebenarnya sudah bicara dengan orang2 dari TNI dan Kepolisian, semua setuju bahwa senjata2 tersebut bisa dipakai pada tahun 1947, karena mereka datang dari tentara Jepang, Belanda, Inggris, Jerman. Jadi mungkin lebih tepat menanyakan kepada mereka?
Tetapi tambahan juga, tolong dimengerti karena pada saat kita mencari senjata2, di TNI sebagian besar dipakai untuk latihan di laut, jadi sudah karatan... nah, bayangin harus mencari sebegitu banyak senjata - apalagi kita harus memakai apa yang ada.. dan yang ada SANGAT terbatas. Karena kita harus pakai senjata beneran untuk efek penembakannya. :)



so if you wanna use lee enfields in the movie, they'd have to use working ones.. and since TNI doesn't maintain any "old guns", most of them corrosed... causing not enuff LE to use. So they use Garands. Phew.

abarky
08-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00009-20090807-0844.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00008-20090807-0833.jpg
nice bro ... anoa smoga sukses

bambu runcing
08-12-2009, 10:17 AM
They can use Garand maybe because Pindad still produce its ammo 7.62x63
in Pindad designated as MU-7 (TJ=FMJ/ball and H = blank)

if their website still updated ....
http://www.pindad.com/prodgul800.php?bahasa=&varkdnews=MU762


ok, the merah putih crew has answered my question about the guns in the movie :



so if you wanna use lee enfields in the movie, they'd have to use working ones.. and since TNI doesn't maintain any "old guns", most of them corrosed... causing not enuff LE to use. So they use Garands. Phew.

eagleroaming
08-13-2009, 02:38 AM
1 Kopassus Soldier is equal to 5 Regular Infantry Soldiers, Have Your say Guys
http://photos-974.friendster.com/e1/photos/47/91/63621974/1_219644236l.jpg

Gampang koq gan Inggrisnya.. hehe!

Discovery Channel Military edition 2008 broadcasted the world's best elite forces. Elite forces from around the globe was measured by its performance and skill (not by the military technology), where military experts and analyst across the globe were invited to give their judgement. Here's the Top 3 :

1. United Kingdom's SAS

2. Israel's MOSSAD

3. Indonesia's KOPASSUS

bla bla bla.. no.157. PASKAL from Malaysian Special Forces (No Offences)!

You must be wondering why the US elite force was not included. It is because, according to the narrator, they rely heavily on military equipments, all-digitalized technology. A good special force should posses a perfect individual skill like defense, survival, camouflage, strategy, endurance, guerilla, trap-making, and others. The narrator also said that 1 Kopassus soldier is equal to 5 regular soldiers. Here's some things for you :

1. Kopassus wins sniper championship using Indonesia's made weapon.

2. Kopassus ranks #2 in conducting a strategical military operation, like intelligence, deployment and movement, infiltration, and attack. The #1 rank is DELTA force, USA

3. Countries in North Africa use 80% of their military trainer from Kopassus

4. Cambodian special forces has long been trained by Kopassus.

karbol
08-13-2009, 02:47 AM
1 Kopassus Soldier is equal to 5 Regular Infantry Soldiers, Have Your say Guys
http://photos-974.friendster.com/e1/photos/47/91/63621974/1_219644236l.jpg

Gampang koq gan Inggrisnya.. hehe!

Discovery Channel Military edition 2008 broadcasted the world's best elite forces. Elite forces from around the globe was measured by its performance and skill (not by the military technology), where military experts and analyst across the globe were invited to give their judgement. Here's the Top 3 :

1. United Kingdom's SAS

2. Israel's MOSSAD

3. Indonesia's KOPASSUS

bla bla bla.. no.157. PASKAL from Malaysian Special Forces (No Offences)!

You must be wondering why the US elite force was not included. It is because, according to the narrator, they rely heavily on military equipments, all-digitalized technology. A good special force should posses a perfect individual skill like defense, survival, camouflage, strategy, endurance, guerilla, trap-making, and others. The narrator also said that 1 Kopassus soldier is equal to 5 regular soldiers. Here's some things for you :

1. Kopassus wins sniper championship using Indonesia's made weapon.

2. Kopassus ranks #2 in conducting a strategical military operation, like intelligence, deployment and movement, infiltration, and attack. The #1 rank is DELTA force, USA

3. Countries in North Africa use 80% of their military trainer from Kopassus

4. Cambodian special forces has long been trained by Kopassus.

i heard about this from a long-long-long time ago. but still until this day, never found the source... can you give me the source? i mean, a real source from discovery channel? not just some forum source...

and btw, Mossad are not special forces... they are intelegent agency

DavidDCM
08-13-2009, 03:39 AM
Is there anybody who believes that this is real? :| Come on guys, it's so obviously a fake. How do you measure the "performance and skill" of a special force if almost nothing is known about them? Mossad is not even a military unit, they are an intelligence agency! And the statement that US Forces where excluded because they rely too heavily on technology is just ridiculous rofl No really, this must be the work of some little fanboy...

Go to the Discovery Channel website, something like "Discovery Channel military edition 2008" or "World's best special forces documentary" never existed.

--------

Now back to the real deal:

Gegana on the training range with AUG A1 rifle:
http://www.abload.de/img/1067242328_2eb1ddccf5_mi7z.jpg

karbol
08-13-2009, 03:45 AM
Is there anybody who believes that this is real? :|

i believe when i see it... but none so far...

and thx for pics david...:)

ggk
08-13-2009, 03:46 AM
Black Steyr: sexy

Aghost
08-13-2009, 05:04 AM
I am on agreement with you David, we should think objective here so we got the right information... But it's true that the standard of Koppasus is one soldier equal to five, I have heard it from the Army chief himself when he speech during Koppasus graduation somewhere in Central Java.

The true fact again is Cambodia special force had trained by Koppasus since Eighties till now. I think anybody know it since the Cambodia regularly sent their soldier to Join Koppasus recruitment and training. About their presence in North Africa is still rumor, because some gossip said after 1998 riot Prabowo was step down from Koppasus chief and going to North Africa with his loyal Koppasus soldier, but the truth is unclear...

http://www.antarafoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1221905525
Cambodia soldier participating koppasus recruitment in 2008

karbol
08-13-2009, 06:36 AM
World (http://en.rian.ru/world/) (http://en.rian.ru/export/rss2/world/index.xml)

Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia

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15:4911/08/2009
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JAKARTA, August 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has been shortlisted for a $700 million contract to deliver two submarines to Indonesia, the Indonesian Navy commander said on Tuesday.
"Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said.
Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.
"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
The successful bidder is expected to be named by the end of August.
The Indonesian defense minister has said the submarines are to be delivered in 2011.

link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20090811/155782847.html

*********


navy chief said: no for ecek-ecek subs...:)

bambu runcing
08-13-2009, 09:19 AM
Ecek-ecek Subs.....(crap, not so special Submarine ???) ...:roll:

Since KSAL himself who knows what ecek-ecek Subs is, we can conclude that he has ever experience with the ecek-ecek one....

So, it only spare Kilo class to consider .....

taruhan gocap, Indonesia bakal pilih Kilo

No more 209 Oh, No more 209 .... since our neighbour will got the Scorpene
Give us Kilo Kilo Kilo Kilo, just to kill Oh... other crap submarine


World (http://en.rian.ru/world/)

Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia

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Sea trials of Russia's Nerpa submarine on schedule - official (http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090724/155605074.html)
Russia to lay down one multipurpose submarine a year from 2011 (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090726/155627360.html)
India's first nuclear-powered submarine to be launched July 26 (http://en.rian.ru/world/20090716/155540796.html)



15:4911/08/2009
Multimedia



Photo: (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/)Russia launches new nuclear submarine (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20070416/63706284.html)



JAKARTA, August 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has been shortlisted for a $700 million contract to deliver two submarines to Indonesia, the Indonesian Navy commander said on Tuesday.
"Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said.
Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.
"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
The successful bidder is expected to be named by the end of August.
The Indonesian defense minister has said the submarines are to be delivered in 2011.

link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20090811/155782847.html

*********


navy chief said: no for ecek-ecek subs...:)

4n664
08-13-2009, 11:10 AM
i heard about this from a long-long-long time ago. but still until this day, never found the source... can you give me the source? i mean, a real source from discovery channel? not just some forum source...

and btw, Mossad are not special forces... they are intelegent agency

I watched discovery almost every year since 2000 and sorry never heard that programme exist. When you heard someone said they exclude someone else coz they're too dependent on technology then its pretty absurd. If the US Spec ops have those predator like camo tech then yes you might claim they're too dependent on that.

Anyway off topic here, there's a show called "deadliest warrior" on spike TV and I think they use computer run simulation to simulate battles. I think last time they got Green Beret Vs Spetsnaz, and I think spetsnaz won ^^.

mr. kurien
08-13-2009, 11:14 AM
err... guys. why don't we blank or pixelized the faces of any KOPASSUS or GEGANA or other Indonesian SF personals. consider it as a security for them and their families from any trouble. we might not know what will happen after this. just an opinion. nothing else. :D

ZAYYANA
08-13-2009, 10:36 PM
I am on agreement with you David, we should think objective here so we got the right information... But it's true that the standard of Koppasus is one soldier equal to five, I have heard it from the Army chief himself when he speech during Koppasus graduation somewhere in Central Java.

The true fact again is Cambodia special force had trained by Koppasus since Eighties till now. I think anybody know it since the Cambodia regularly sent their soldier to Join Koppasus recruitment and training. About their presence in North Africa is still rumor, because some gossip said after 1998 riot Prabowo was step down from Koppasus chief and going to North Africa with his loyal Koppasus soldier, but the truth is unclear...

http://www.antarafoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1221905525
Cambodia soldier participating koppasus recruitment in 2008

Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

ggk
08-13-2009, 11:12 PM
Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

malaysia for one... but i dont know the recent event. for example one of our army general is a Kopassus graduate.

from what i know many country send their soldier to the kopassus basic selection......not many (literally) survive till the end of the tough selection.

Johanus Bau
08-13-2009, 11:33 PM
err... guys. why don't we blank or pixelized the faces of any KOPASSUS or GEGANA or other Indonesian SF personals. consider it as a security for them and their families from any trouble. we might not know what will happen after this. just an opinion. nothing else. :D

Gegana is not SF.....

kecemplunglagi
08-13-2009, 11:53 PM
^^ And... why bother? when they themselves stroll on Jakarta's street with full camo? Darah mengalir nongkrong di Pasar Rebo? :-(

ZAYYANA
08-13-2009, 11:59 PM
Gegana is Bomb Squad, do you think they are SF...? you decide it by yourself

karbol
08-14-2009, 12:57 AM
Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

AFAIK, Yaman (Yemen), Laos....

link: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsf/articles/20060413.aspx


and maybe Bangladesh and srilanka... but dont know for sure...


malaysia for one... but i dont know the recent event. for example one of our army general is a Kopassus graduate.


this is new to me.... thx bro...

mr. kurien
08-14-2009, 04:05 AM
GEGANA not SF? i thought they were SF.

Special Units
08-14-2009, 04:14 AM
Gegana is Bomb Squad, do you think they are SF...? you decide it by yourself

GEGANA is both : it is tactical unit and bomb squad

karbol
08-14-2009, 04:16 AM
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/IWANHE%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.pngCMOV/COMOB

Key Features
Air Defense System Software by using of IFLOPS as base platform for airspace map

AJI Band Scanner System

Voice Recording System

Communication System :


Ground to Ground Radio Communication
Ground to Air Communication
SSB
Telephone/Fax
VSAT Communication
Autotracking Antenna System
Data & Voice Oommunication


Crossband Communication System

Installed & Integrated in MPV equipped with Gen Set and required Accessories
http://www.rekayasa-teknologi.com/images/product/CMOV-COMOB.jpg

link: http://rekayasa-teknologi.com/index.php?show=product&task=detail&id=11&mid=10&catid=3

fcaesarn
08-14-2009, 09:49 PM
From Today's Pics posted by bd_popeye.

Was that CIS 50MG on first picture? Or Pindad license built one?


woww.. i dont know about the gun, but paspampres got the anoa so many...

ZAYYANA
08-14-2009, 10:33 PM
GEGANA is both : it is tactical unit and bomb squad

What make you think they are tactical unit....? It's seem DenSus 88 more like it than Gegana.

bambu runcing
08-14-2009, 10:42 PM
Before the Bali bombing 2002, Gegana is only a bom disposal unit and Densus 88 is not exist
When US poured money to Polri for building a CT unit, I think the money was so big enough just for a CT unit. So Polri decided they build two CT unit, Densus 88 and Gegana both has capability on tactical assault

Whereas Densus 88 has additional intelligence capability (the most important in combating terrorist network) and Gegana specialized in bomb disposal. Both can complement each other when engaging a terorist compund

Just my halucination .....:)



What make you think they tactical unit....? It's seem DenSus 88 more like it than Gegana.

ZAYYANA
08-14-2009, 11:03 PM
Before the Bali bombing 2002, Gegana is only a bom disposal unit and Densus 88 is not exist
When US poured money to Polri for building a CT unit, I think the money was so big enough just for a CT unit. So Polri decided they build two CT unit, Densus 88 and Gegana both has capability on tactical assault

Whereas Densus 88 has additional intelligence capability (the most important in combating terrorist network) and Gegana specialized in bomb disposal. Both can complement each other when engaging a terorist compund

Just my halucination .....:)

Yeah... maybe it just your halucination. give it the proof, so it would be make sense.

abarky
08-15-2009, 03:03 AM
From Today's Pics posted by bd_popeye.

Was that CIS 50MG on first picture? Or Pindad license built one?

Yes PINDAD produce it , lincesed by Singapore Tech but I heard The gun have been modified by PINDAD

toukairin
08-15-2009, 05:57 AM
A comment from one of my senior in campus, translated :
let's try to analyze the news once more.
What said is that Cambodian SF have for long been trained by Kopassus. This is what i said that it hasn't happened again for a long time.
If in TNI's Para-Commando training (PCT), there are other nation's soldiers that is participating among the PCT students, it's a usual thing, and it's kept happening.
As a reward, some TNI members also participated in similar training in other countris such as USA, OZ, German, etc
The same thing applies for other countries' training, such as anti/counter terror, command school, resilience school, etc, in which students from a country participate in other countries' program; it's a usual thing.
...
However, even if there are TNI members participated in a Commando Training in the US, we're not saying it as "Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Beret".
There are no TNI unit that can be said as "formed/established by the USA"
...
And it's also that, a long time ago, it happened that a Cambodian military unit is specifically/separately trained in PCT in Batujajar (Indonesian SF Training and Education Center), not put among TNI PCT students ---> T.N : a special PCT session just to train Cambodian.
The same thing happened for a Laos/Laotian military unit from General Kong Lee's faction.
Also a unit from the Malaysian Army.
But since a long time ago, such thing never happened anymore.





Original :

Coba kita cermati lagi beritanya.
Yang dikatakan adalah bahwa Cambodian special forces have for long been trained by Kopassus.
Ini yang saya katakan sudah sangat lama tidak terjadi lagi.
Kalau dalam pendidikan para-komando TNI ada tentara dari negara lain tersisipkan di antara siswa dikko tersebut, itu soal lumrah, dan memang terus terjadi.

Timbal baliknya anggota TNI juga ada saja yang diikutkan pendidikan serupa di negara-negara lain seperti AS, Australia, Jerman, dll.
Hal sama berlaku untuk diklat kemiliteran lain, seperti anti-teror, sesko, lemhanas, dsb., di mana siswa dari tentara suatu negara ikut program tentara negara lain, juga lumrah terjadi.
...
Namun, walau ada anggota TNI ikut dikko di AS, kan tidak kita katakan Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Berret.
Tidak ada unit tentara TNI yang dapat dikatakan sebagai bentukan USA.
...

Nah, demikian pula, dulu sekali pernah ada satuan tentara Kamboja yang secara tersendiri dididik para-komando di Batujajar, tidak disisipkan di antara siswa anggota TNI.
Ini barulah dapat dikatakan Cambodians special forces have been trained by Kopassus.
Hal yang sama pernah terjadi juga untuk satuan tentara Laos dari faksi Jenderal Kong Lee.
Juga unit Tentara Darat Diraja Malaysia.
Namun sudah lama sekali hal semacam itu tidak terjadi lagi.

fcaesarn
08-15-2009, 09:27 AM
A comment from one of my senior in campus, translated :
let's try to analyze the news once more.
What said is that Cambodian SF have for long been trained by Kopassus. This is what i said that it hasn't happened again for a long time.
If in TNI's Para-Commando training (PCT), there are other nation's soldiers that is participating among the PCT students, it's a usual thing, and it's kept happening.
As a reward, some TNI members also participated in similar training in other countris such as USA, OZ, German, etc
The same thing applies for other countries' training, such as anti/counter terror, command school, resilience school, etc, in which students from a country participate in other countries' program; it's a usual thing.
...
However, even if there are TNI members participated in a Commando Training in the US, we're not saying it as "Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Beret".
There are no TNI unit that can be said as "formed/established by the USA"
...
And it's also that, a long time ago, it happened that a Cambodian military unit is specifically/separately trained in PCT in Batujajar (Indonesian SF Training and Education Center), not put among TNI PCT students ---> T.N : a special PCT session just to train Cambodian.
The same thing happened for a Laos/Laotian military unit from General Kong Lee's faction.
Also a unit from the Malaysian Army.
But since a long time ago, such thing never happened anymore.





Original :

Nope bro, special for cambodia and yemen, its special forces are trained by kopassus.. not only an usual training like others..

Aghost
08-15-2009, 10:33 PM
I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg

abarky
08-16-2009, 01:12 PM
Dirgahayu Indonesia ...

DavidDCM
08-16-2009, 01:40 PM
I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg

Indodefence 2008 was a prototype with the turret of Scorpion 90.

ggk
08-17-2009, 12:38 AM
happy independence day Indonesia!

fcaesarn
08-17-2009, 03:44 AM
I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg


Maybe it will be built under rotem chasis platform, not using the renault chasis platform which are used by the one exist in Indodefence 2008...

mr. kurien
08-17-2009, 05:57 AM
i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

ZAYYANA
08-17-2009, 06:02 AM
i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

I forgot look like Terrex, could you please show me the pics... Thanks

mr. kurien
08-17-2009, 06:26 AM
I forgot look like Terrex, could you please show me the pics... Thanks

it look like this and i think it have the same design with the one that built by the Turkey, YAVUZ

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/SiUNxzHqsMI/AAAAAAAABuQ/aOk2i4O4i0U/s400/singaporeterrexck6.jpg

ZAYYANA
08-17-2009, 06:36 AM
it look like this and i think it have the same design with the one that built by the Turkey

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/SiUNxzHqsMI/AAAAAAAABuQ/aOk2i4O4i0U/s400/singaporeterrexck6.jpg
Yeah... it would be cool for the indonesian army.... it have amphibious capability too... hope soon it will happen

mr. kurien
08-17-2009, 06:44 AM
in Singapore, TERREX will be in SAF services around 2010. thats what i heard. had a few chat with a friend from Singapore and he told me about this.

karbol
08-17-2009, 07:04 AM
i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

was interesting yes... but the goverment then choose Renault to assist Pindad built ANOA... as for Panser Kanon, there will be help from Korea...

mr. kurien
08-17-2009, 07:26 AM
was interesting yes... but the goverment then choose Renault to assist Pindad built ANOA... as for Panser Kanon, there will be help from Korea...

In other words, PT PINDAD will not produce TERREX. is it?

bambu runcing
08-18-2009, 05:02 AM
yup... but i dont know why. also why the gov choose 6 wheeled and not 8 wheeled...?

also i think the new Panser Kanon will enter Yonkav 7 to replace the V-150...



Mr Budi Santosa, former CEO of Pindad (know CEO of PT DI), once told me that Pindad didn't want to build a large Panser. We refer to a Korean panser displayed in Indo Defense November 2006 at Kemayoran.

I don't remember whether it was Daewoo or Hyundai... wait, I'll give the picture from their CD given to me.

Yup... it was a Doosan, a 8x8 APV.

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/DOOSANMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVehicl.jpg

First time I saw Doosan, I thought it was derived from Stryker....

and the 6x6 Doosan maybe little bit smaller than the 8x8

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/DOOSANMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVeh-1.jpg

They also displayed Hyundai Rotem KW1 6x6, the same size as Doosan
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/ROTEMMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVehicle.jpg

''It is too big for Indonesian road,'' said Budi Santosa.

But myself found that Doosan was very comfortable compare to Anoa that still in development that day. It biggger and comfortable. I have tried the cabin of Anoa prototype (Panser type 0) on 5th Oct 2005, the first time they are displayed to the public in Cilangkap.

But for the panser kanon, Budi said it might be developed on 8x8 chassis... we still don't know as Pindad's panser kanon will be assisted by Hyundai who also develop KW1 6x6 panser with canon...

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/KW1HyundaiROTEM.jpg

jed125
08-18-2009, 12:06 PM
They show you all the cool pics and leave out the pics where they have old surplus rifles and equipment.

karbol
08-19-2009, 12:07 AM
Nope bro...
Anoa 6X6 will be used to replace the FV 603 saracen



While the Anoa 6X6 canon will be used to replace the FV601 saladin



not really bro...

the V-150 (cannon version) will replace Saladin. V-150 APC/ VAB will replace saracen. the Yonkav 7 got a new toys...

all saracen/saladin/ feret will be retired.. it's about time isn't it...

karbol
08-19-2009, 08:43 AM
http://i30.*******.com/33uvhax.jpg


http://i29.*******.com/2cdcu2q.jpg


http://i25.*******.com/20s69nl.jpg


http://i26.*******.com/347gtj5.jpg


http://i27.*******.com/tarleh.jpg




from todays pics... thx to Vaman...

those are very nice SS-1...

karbol
08-20-2009, 07:41 AM
Indonesia International Fleet review 2009 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6EOImqrCRA

enjoy...p-)

fcaesarn
08-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/37/11699.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3576/11697.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3079/11700b.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3162/11709w.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/640/11705z.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/681/11710.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8774/11712a.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/180/11703.jpg

bambu runcing
08-20-2009, 01:07 PM
in SBY's biografi, before his graduation from Military Academy SBY was confuse when he must made a decision to choose between Kostrad or Kopassus, two best units in the Army. As the best graduate, he was free to chose in which unit he want to joint.

It was God chose for him. The year SBY was graduated, Kopassus still yet open the submission. There he went to Kostrad.....
And now, after 36 year SBY finally become Kopassus, in a way or another

But Sir, that was an old rifle since you was in Timor Timur
It is nice if your acceptance in Kopassus to be compensated with some modern goodies for Kopassus. Since your brother in law is the commander general of Kopassus, I think let it be discussed between families....

Welcome aboard Kopassus Sir...



Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info (http://www.presidensby.info)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/37/11699.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3576/11697.jpg

ggk
08-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info (http://www.presidensby.info)

















http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/180/11703.jpg

keren....... nice car!!!

ggk
08-21-2009, 05:52 AM
I just wanted to take this opportunity to send all my Muslim mp.net friends in Indonesia a Ramadhan wish, Selamat Menjalani Ibadah Puasa everyone .

karbol
08-21-2009, 06:33 AM
I just wanted to take this opportunity to send all my Muslim mp.net friends in Indonesia a Ramadhan wish, Selamat Menjalani Ibadah Puasa everyone .

happy Ramadhan to you to bro... mohon maaf lahir batin. selamat menunaikan Ibadah puasa...:)

ggk
08-21-2009, 09:58 AM
....oh and happy birthday Indonesia! that 3000 divers saluting the flag underwater are awesome!

sepia
08-21-2009, 11:26 AM
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8084/11707.jpg
I want to know about badge and insignia of Indonesia.Please tell me to website about it. :-( What is the badges in his coat? :|

fcaesarn
08-21-2009, 05:16 PM
Do you all have any information regarding the pindad ss-1 smugilng o philipine?? Just saw the footage last night on national tv...

Aghost
08-22-2009, 09:58 AM
Do you all have any information regarding the pindad ss-1 smugilng o philipine?? Just saw the footage last night on national tv...

Quote:
The M/V Captain Ufuk originated in Turkey, passed through Indonesia, and was en route to the port of Batangas south of Manila when it was found carrying five crates of Indonesian-made Galil assault rifles, 45 bayonets and 120 empty gun magazines, officials said.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9636/610xwey.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4281/610xrvx.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1349/610xbvb.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8625/610xion.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7643/610xtgp.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9779/610xwsw.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7079/610xd.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4948/610xtmq.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8789/610xqdk.jpg

Credit to RubenLaden Kaskus.

All I can say is oh my god that's really SS-1....

4n664
08-22-2009, 11:10 AM
Quote:
The M/V Captain Ufuk originated in Turkey, passed through Indonesia, and was en route to the port of Batangas south of Manila when it was found carrying five crates of Indonesian-made Galil assault rifles, 45 bayonets and 120 empty gun magazines, officials said.



Credit to RubenLaden Kaskus.

All I can say is oh my god that's really SS-1....



Galil assault rifle??
Anyway look at the bright side, who knows the Philippines ARMY will like it.

ayanami_tard
08-22-2009, 12:22 PM
blame the reporter

and about the AR,well since it also shoot 5.56mm(and i don't think indonesia is reluctant to sell spare part),so yeah i kinda think this could be a good change to the sweet emsixteen(and i don't think indonesia will ask filipino official to return the rifle anyway)

Jagi
08-22-2009, 01:15 PM
About the Panser Kanon 105,would it also be a good replacement for AMX-13s as an artilery unit?

For Saladin,Saracen and Ferret replacement it would be better to use Anoa series rather than going through diff. models as it would incur more costs in the future,not to mention the ever important maintanance cost...

Apparently,it will take the army apprx. 40years since those trios first entered service to figure out the their replacements....hmm

Ominae
08-22-2009, 11:53 PM
Bah, just give them to our boys. We need them to take care of our insurgencies. :D

junglejim
08-22-2009, 11:56 PM
We are not looking to replace the M-16 anytime soon and we have thousands in stock of unused ones. It doesnt change the fact that someone stole sticks from the Indonesians ****nal.

bambu runcing
08-23-2009, 01:16 AM
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

Lt Col Castro : Gee.. it looks sturdier than my own M-16...
Damn, it feels heavy. Those Indonesian soldier must had pretty good work out...

ZAYYANA
08-23-2009, 06:20 AM
Cool.... , now world would know that Indonesian Rifles are good.... at least "some people" wanna to collect it.

Jagi
08-23-2009, 11:50 AM
Cool.... , now world would know that Indonesian Rifles are good.... at least "some people" wanna to collect it.

Well,ours is cheap but it doesnt mean its crap right..like AKs but not as famous...:roll::roll::roll::roll:

Master Chief
08-25-2009, 01:44 AM
Lemme try.

Right chest:
Top: Commando qualification badge, from AF’s Korpaskhas.
Left: Advanced Combat Parachute wing (AF’s Korpaskhas)
Right: Pathfinder qualification badge (Army’s Kopassus)
Above the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Navy’s Kopaska)
Below the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Marines’ Taifib)
Right pocket: Unknown, but it’s said “Jungle Expert”

Left chest:
Top: Commando chest qualification badge (Kopassus)
Middle: Army Airborne wing, Jumpmaster
Above pocket: looks like AF Jumpmaster wing (I’m not sure)
On pocket cover: Scuba qualification badge, but unsure from which unit
Left pocket: Navy Basic Combat Swimmer qualification badge

I don't know which ones are real, which ones are "honoris causa". He is the Chief.


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8084/11707.jpg
I want to know about badge and insignia of Indonesia.Please tell me to website about it. :-( What is the badges in his coat? :|

Master Chief
08-25-2009, 01:52 AM
It should not be difficult to track down.
Get all the manufacturer's S/N of these riffles. Then Pindad should be able to tell to whom they sold them to.

My guess, it's one of TNI's 3rd party private "broker" companies.


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

Lt Col Castro : Gee.. it looks sturdier than my own M-16...
Damn, it feels heavy. Those Indonesian soldier must had pretty good work out...

Jagi
08-25-2009, 04:35 AM
Any info on PTDI and their continued NBell lineup production? Any chance TNI might procur another squadron of this bird>>>>?

ggk
08-25-2009, 04:42 AM
i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.

gungho
08-25-2009, 05:07 AM
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3162/11709w.jpg



anyone please identify the NVGs they're wearing, never seen those types before, looks very simple though, a combination of PVA14 & Aimpoint Comp M3 haha.. thanks before..

ah, and a note that they're already using MICH as the standard helmets, no more PASGT then, yaaaaay :)

bambu runcing
08-25-2009, 07:34 AM
From my point of view, I encourage Pindad to export their products regardless it may ended in the hand of freedom fighters, terrorists, separatists, political opportunist, tourists.... Only this way SS-1 can be remembered as weapon of the people (bedil sejuta umat).....p-)


i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.

bambu runcing
08-25-2009, 08:23 AM
In two years, PT DI will deliver 10 NBell-412 for TNI AD (6) and Basarnas/National SAR Forces (4).

just trace back this thread to my post in page 244
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75559&page=244


Any info on PTDI and their continued NBell lineup production? Any chance TNI might procur another squadron of this bird>>>>?

jed125
08-25-2009, 08:29 AM
why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

Master Chief
08-25-2009, 09:59 AM
I don't know what country this is. That's a tough question. :bash:



why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

sepia
08-25-2009, 10:16 AM
Lemme try.

Right chest:
Top: Commando qualification badge, from AF’s Korpaskhas.
Left: Advanced Combat Parachute wing (AF’s Korpaskhas)
Right: Pathfinder qualification badge (Army’s Kopassus)
Above the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Navy’s Kopaska)
Below the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Marines’ Taifib)
Right pocket: Unknown, but it’s said “Jungle Expert”

Left chest:
Top: Commando chest qualification badge (Kopassus)
Middle: Army Airborne wing, Jumpmaster
Above pocket: looks like AF Jumpmaster wing (I’m not sure)
On pocket cover: Scuba qualification badge, but unsure from which unit
Left pocket: Navy Basic Combat Swimmer qualification badge

I don't know which ones are real, which ones are "honoris causa". He is the Chief.Thanks you BRO for answer woot :hug: .But I want to know website about Indonesia's insignia,path,badge ,please :-( .

junglejim
08-25-2009, 12:17 PM
i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.


which would indicate a bigger problem for Indonesia rather than the Philippines. As for the Philippine Army choosing the SS-1, sorry but they evaluated the FN before and didnt like it. So far they are happy with the M-16.

Aghost
08-25-2009, 07:34 PM
why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

DizBukHaPeter
08-25-2009, 08:00 PM
why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

It's an equipment display for the press and officials, that's why some are wearing gas masks and others are not. The aimpoint is a non-issue.

Master Chief
08-25-2009, 11:11 PM
In the Phillipines, all people love M16; government army, renegade rogue army, lefty guerillas, right-wing guerillas...

Only in the Philippines, the communist guerillas love M16 more than AK47...


which would indicate a bigger problem for Indonesia rather than the Philippines. As for the Philippine Army choosing the SS-1, sorry but they evaluated the FN before and didnt like it. So far they are happy with the M-16.

Master Chief
08-25-2009, 11:14 PM
Now I see the flag. I'm wondering & didn't know that Monaco people look like Asians.



What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

gungho
08-26-2009, 01:21 AM
haha.. yep, Indonesia has got the same flag as Monaco.. completely different set up though

toukairin
08-26-2009, 07:17 AM
Now I see the flag. I'm wondering & didn't know that Monaco people look like Asians.

haha, Monaco and Indonesia's flag has different length/width ratio.

From answers.yahoo :
The Indonesian flag's dimensions are 2:3. Monaco's flag's dimensions are 4:5 (more squarer)

ayanami_tard
08-26-2009, 08:08 AM
in before somebody mentioned about polandp-)

CrimsonPig
08-27-2009, 02:20 AM
What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

Greetings! I'm new here in MP.net.Just want to know more about the bleeding pattern camouflage.Who uses it in the Indonesian military,How did they come up with the pattern and a bit of history please.I like this pattern I think it's very unique.Thanks very much!:)

501st_airborne
08-27-2009, 02:52 AM
anyone please identify the NVGs they're wearing, never seen those types before, looks very simple though, a combination of PVA14 & Aimpoint Comp M3 haha.. thanks before..

ah, and a note that they're already using MICH as the standard helmets, no more PASGT then, yaaaaay :)

I think those are LIPI (Indonesia Science Institute?) made NVGs.

found the pics on the net:

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/Teropong_LIPI-1.jpg


http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/nvgmarinir1.jpg

ZAYYANA
08-27-2009, 03:06 AM
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/nvgmarinir1.jpg

Syukur banget Lensa nya dah ditutup, klo nggak buta deh..... masa'an siang2 makenya...

karbol
08-27-2009, 07:29 AM
I think those are LIPI (Indonesia Science Institute?) made NVGs.

found the pics on the net:






i wonder, are they sell it freely? those NVG's are looking good for airsoft game...:)

bambu runcing
08-27-2009, 08:08 AM
If I'm not mistaken, NVG google has little hole on its cover for daylight service. The front lens not literally closed, only iluminated by small hole on the cover.

Just as the case in the George W Bush photograph when he was using NVG binocular with its cover closed, in Korean border.


Syukur banget Lensa nya dah ditutup, klo nggak buta deh..... masa'an siang2 makenya...

toukairin
08-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Greetings! I'm new here in MP.net.Just want to know more about the bleeding pattern camouflage.Who uses it in the Indonesian military,How did they come up with the pattern and a bit of history please.I like this pattern I think it's very unique.Thanks very much!:)

Ok, for a quick reply, I'd have to answer only one of your question. The "Darah Mengalir" (lit. "Streaming Blood" or "Bleeding") is a distinct camo pattern belonging to Indonesian Army's elite Special Forces, the KOPASSUS (Komando Pasukan Khusus or Special Forces Commando).

The pattern is only used during the unit's internal events, activities inside the "ksatrian" (HQ), etc. It cannot be used for general purposes, because the rule dictates so. KOPASSUS has to wear the TNI Camo (Malvinas) in other activities.

About the history.... I'd have to go check it in a magazine, it's in my campus so i have to go and fetch it...

Master Chief
08-27-2009, 11:43 PM
This camo pattern is unique indeed. The pattern is so called "Darah Mengalir" (English: the Streaming Blood), because of the reddish color & flowing pattern. It was derived from the British's Depison or Denison Smock pattern.

It was invented back in early 60s by a Captain from RPKAD (the previous name for Kopassus) with a little bit misunderstanding between himself & the printing company in Bandung. Anyhow, the "incident" pattern was approved by the RPKAD chief & finally it was officially displayed during an anniversary of ABRI in October 5, 1964.

In Oct 5, 1983, TNI officially recognized only one uniformed camo pattern, adopted from the British's DPM, for the whole armed forces. Along with this, the Kopasandha (another previous name of Kopassus) unit camo was dissolved.

In 1996, TNI issued a regulation which allowing each service unit to maintain their own camo pattern only for internal events. The "Darah Mengalir" resurrected with a minor modification; now it has more green color & reduced red (since when you got green stuff in your blood ?).

The other TNI units which have distinctive camo pattern, similar to Kopassus & derived from Denison/Depison Smock, are Navy's Marines & AF's Korpaskhas.



Greetings! I'm new here in MP.net.Just want to know more about the bleeding pattern camouflage.Who uses it in the Indonesian military,How did they come up with the pattern and a bit of history please.I like this pattern I think it's very unique.Thanks very much!:)

Master Chief
08-27-2009, 11:48 PM
Just want to show to CrimsonPig (what a nice name, I hope it's your real name), the below pic shows the Marines' camo.



found the pics on the net:


http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/nvgmarinir1.jpg

gungho
08-28-2009, 02:02 AM
@ 501st > I don't think that's the same NVG used by the kopassus guys, it looks different but thanks anyway for sharing Pindad's own made NVGs

@ karbol > yup, that would come handy for nite skirmishes hehehe...

equilibrium37
08-28-2009, 02:57 AM
hey guys i've got a quick question here; what the hell is "petrus" or who maybe ? I've been hearing that term or name over and over for the last couple of days and i have no idea what that means ..

bambu runcing
08-28-2009, 03:57 AM
Petrus in bahasa was acronym for 'Penembakan Misterius' or Penembak Misterius. in English : mysterious shooting (assassination by gun). There were assassination (executor) squad from Polri (maybe TNI also) to eliminate all criminals, bad guys, gang members, thugs (preman, in bahasa) during 'Operasi Pemberantasan Kejahatan' (OPK) or Eradication of Crime Operation, in early 1980s. Maybe circa 1982-1983. It is called mysterious shooting because it was common in that time people in urban or rural area found dead bodies of known criminals being shot, but they didn't know who did it. Most of the victims was shot at point blank range, close distance. The operation was so effective even ordinary people who got tattoo on their body try to erase it, fear of mistakenly recognized as criminals and being targeted by PETRUS. But still no official record as how many criminals had been executed, but thousands thugs had disappeared. Yes it was against human rights but clearly it effective to suppress criminal rate. We were under oppressive regime though.... Maybe from those days Police can have control over gang members. Story about PETRUS being told by my father when I was a child, as a bedtime stories. One of prominent criminal executed in Yogyakarta (Central Java) during OPK was my father's friend in elementary school. He was shot while trying to cross Opak river in Bantul. I don't remember the name. In Jakarta, the most famous criminal was Kusni Kasdut, former paramilitary during Indonesian war of independence. But he was executed in 1980, before OPK. PS : the word PREMAN (local thug) was derived from Free Man In Central Java, especially Yogyakarta, they were called GALI (Gabungan Anak Liar) maybe in English translated as Wild Boys United.... :p
hey guys i've got a quick question here; what the hell is "petrus" or who maybe ? I've been hearing that term or name over and over for the last couple of days and i have no idea what that means ..

Aghost
08-28-2009, 04:33 AM
Petrus in bahasa was acronym for 'Penembakan Misterius' or Penembak Misterius. in English : mysterious shooting (assassination by gun). There were assassination (executor) squad from Polri (maybe TNI also) to eliminate all criminals, bad guys, gang members, thugs (preman, in bahasa) during 'Operasi Pemberantasan Kejahatan' (OPK) or Eradication of Crime Operation, in early 1980s. Maybe circa 1982-1983. It is called mysterious shooting because it was common in that time people in urban or rural area found dead bodies of known criminals being shot, but they didn't know who did it. Most of the victims was shot at point blank range, close distance. The operation was so effective even ordinary people who got tattoo on their body try to erase it, fear of mistakenly recognized as criminals and being targeted by PETRUS. But still no official record as how many criminals had been executed, but thousands thugs had disappeared. Yes it was against human rights but clearly it effective to suppress criminal rate. We were under oppressive regime though.... Maybe from those days Police can have control over gang members. Story about PETRUS being told by my father when I was a child, as a bedtime stories. One of prominent criminal executed in Yogyakarta (Central Java) during OPK was my father's friend in elementary school. He was shot while trying to cross Opak river in Bantul. I don't remember the name. In Jakarta, the most famous criminal was Kusni Kasdut, former paramilitary during Indonesian war of independence. But he was executed in 1980, before OPK. PS : the word PREMAN (local thug) was derived from Free Man In Central Java, especially Yogyakarta, they were called GALI (Gabungan Anak Liar) maybe in English translated as Wild Boys United.... :p

Yeah PETRUS was so famous during that time (early 80's), and I was witnessed myself the victim of PETRUS. I am still on Elementary scholl at that time when my village was shocked by the finding of dead body with bullet hole in his chest, the body was wrapped with sack (Karung) so that it was known as KARUNGAN in my village because the victim will be dump in the nearest village and wrapped in sack. Mostly the dead body found by villager had tattoo and known as criminal. And oh yeah the victim found in my village still wear handcuffs, that's way we know the executor is.

http://www.vhrmedia.com/file_image/23636176748107d5910431.jpg

ayanami_tard
08-28-2009, 04:55 AM
so petrus is basically a renegade defender of justice?

ggk
08-28-2009, 05:20 AM
so petrus is basically a renegade defender of justice?

same happen in thailand, india and malaysia.....the crooks gone too far...threatening security forces family...the law took a short cut.

..in malaysia its known as 'clear'. when a suspect are too illusive..(licik).. Perintah Clear Suspek were given. Wham..dead criminal.

bambu runcing
08-28-2009, 05:41 AM
I don't think renegade is proper word. They were dead squad 'officially' formed to exterminate criminals... they move under official (and secret) mission



so petrus is basically a renegade defender of justice?

toukairin
08-28-2009, 05:42 AM
some trivia notes about PETRUS :
- In my discussion with an elder of mine, he said that during PETRUS, Jakarta especially was so safe, that you could ride a bus (Metromini to be precise) without worrying about Premans bullying and extorting the passengers.
- In one story, an infamous criminal is being released, transported by car. Inside, he (the one people scared of) begged to not release him. The police calmed him down, and told him to get out of the car. After he walk a few steps, the cops shouted "HEY, YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY!" and shot him dead. Then the event closed officially as "a prisoner is shot because he's trying to run away from the police custody".
- The iconic vehicle of the time (CMIIW) is Suzuki Jimny. It's a kind of jeep just right to carry and drop a body, after that the car speed off as fast as they can... then in the next morning, people would see dead bodies lying on the street.
- The tattooed people were so scared that at the time of PETRUS, they literally iron their tattoos off with an iron (the one you used to iron your shirt and pants). So that the tattoo isn't visible anymore.

ayanami_tard
08-28-2009, 05:43 AM
like having licence to kill?

i somehow got a mixed feeling about this

toukairin
08-28-2009, 05:48 AM
same happen in thailand, india and malaysia.....the crooks gone too far...threatening security forces family...the law took a short cut.

..in malaysia its known as 'clear'. when a suspect are too illusive..(licik).. Perintah Clear Suspek were given. Wham..dead criminal.

is it still happening until now?

fcaesarn
08-28-2009, 05:49 AM
http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/politik/2009/08/28/brk,20090828-194930,id.html

Pindad Akui Kirim Senjata ke Filipina dan Mali

Jum'at, 28 Agustus 2009 | 14:53 WIB
http://image.tempointeraktif.com/?id=16914TEMPO Interaktif, Bandung - PT Perindustrian TNI-AD (Pindad), perusahaan spesialis alat-alat persenjataan berat, membantah menjual senjata secara ilegal ke Filipina. Pabrik senjata di Bandung ini hanya mengekspor senjata laras pendek ke Filipina dan laras panjang ke Mali. ”Kebetulan senjata pesanan pihak Mali berada dalam satu kapal dengan pesanan Filipina” kata Timbul Sitompul, Juru Bicara PT Pindad saat dihubungi Tempo di Bandung, Jumat (28/8).

Timbul menuturkan, perusahaannya menerima pesanan 10 pucuk Pistol P2 Pindad. Senjata laras pendek itu dipesan Persatuan Menembak Filipina. Pada saat yang bersamaan, Pindad akan mengirimkan pesanan dari Negara Mali, Afrika, sebanyak 100 pucuk senjata jenis SS1-V1 (Senjata Serbu 1 - Varian 1).

Pesanan Mali dimasukin dalam 20 kotak. Adapun untuk Filipina dalam satu kotak. Seluruh pesanan itu dikirim bersamaan dalam satu kapal. ”Sebelum ke Mali, (kapal)mampir sebentar ke Filipina. Barangnya ada dalam kapal itu. Mungkin prosedur dan miss komunikasi,” kata Timbul.

Timbul membantah, kiriman Pindad itu illegal. Semua senjata itu ada nomer serinya, berikut dokumen-dokumennya. Namun ia mengakui, sedang terjadi masalah dengan pihak Pabean Filipina dan kini sedang diselesaikan. ”Jadi itu legal, ada dokumennya. Tak benar seperti yang disebut koran kalau itu buatan Israel, itu (buatan) Pindad dan pesanan legal untuk Mali,” ujarnya lagi menegaskan.

Soal bagaimana kemudian ada beberapa peti kosong, Timbul mengaku tak tahu. Namun yang jelas, pihaknya kini sedang mengurus ke Pabean Filipina, berkaitan dengan pengiriman tersebut. Timbul menegaskan, dalam urusan pengiriman dan penjualan senjata, Pindad tak mau gegabah. Apalagi dokumen-dokumen jual beli yang disertakan, melibatkan izin dua negara.

Karenanya, ia membantah kemungkinan ada pihak ketiga yaitu sindikat pemasok bermain dalam kasus ini. Menurut Timbul, sertifikat kontrak jual beli mencantumkan dua negara. Berikut izin rekomendasi eks****ya juga tak gampang karena melalui izin dari Departemen Pertahanan. ”Dalam sertifikat (izin) diteken (pejabat level) Mayjen lo, tak bisa gegabah” ujarnya.

Meski begitu, Timbul mengakui, kalau dalam klausul kontrak, memang memungkinkan negara pembeli senjata pindad, menjual senjata itu ke pihak ketiga, tanpa perlu izin ke Indonesia. ”Memang tidak seperti di Amerika, kalau satu negara membeli senjata dan kemudian menjualnya kembali ke negara lain, harus mendapat izin dari Amerika,” ujarnya.

Timbul sendiri memastikan, nilai total seluruh senjata yang ”nyangkut” di Pabean Filipinan sendiri tidak besar. Pesanan senjata laras panjang untuk Mali senilai Rp 800 juta dan pistol untuk Filipina hanya Rp 60 juta.
Sebelumnya, seperti diberitakan media-media Filipina, pihak Pabean Filipina, pada Kamis (20/8) pekan lalu, telah menangkap sebuah kapal berbendara Panama dengan nama MV Captain Ufuk di pelabuhan Mariveles, Provinsi Bataan, utara Manila. Dari hasil penggeledahan diketahui kapal bernakhoda Jhon Lawrence, warga Afrika Selatan, tersebut membawa 20 kotak senjata laras panjang, pistol dan amunisinya. Dari hasil penyelidikan, senjata-senjata tersebut berjenis SS1-VI Pindad, buatan Pindad, Bandung, yang sedianya akan dikirim ke negara Mali dan sebagian ke Filipina. Semula, pihak Pabean Filipina menduga senjata-senjata ini ilegal.


Sorry, the news in Bahasa Indonesia..
The important is, Pindad legally export the rifle to the philipines and Mali.. The Philipines shooting federation ordered 10 Pindad's P-2 hand gun for sport uses, while the SS-1 V1, was ordered by Mali's Government for their army. Mali ordered 100 ss1-V1 rifles from Pindad. The ship will have Mali their second destination after The Philipines..

The custom resolution is still being processed right now..

ggk
08-28-2009, 05:50 AM
the tatoo thing is true but only to some extent.... the Indonesian police actually did a profile for each criminal first before a hit was ordered.... this is to prevent accidentally killing innocence people.


is it still happening until now?

in malaysia?... well cant really answer that.

Master Chief
08-28-2009, 08:16 AM
(1) Petrus was somewhat necessary at that particular time and it was so effective like a powerful vacuum-cleaner cleaning up dirty floor when the usual broom doesn't work anymore because the dirt was too stuborn and too much. You see what I'm sayin' ?
The death squad was recruited mainly from Polri reserse (undercover) unit & the Army which was dominantly from Sandi Yudha.

It was widely known as a black operation. The government never officially say yes or no, not until SBY mentioned it a couple of weeks ago in front of Kopassus.

The Punisher's Chief was Admiral (Ret) Sudomo, who is still alive today. You want to clear Petrus up ? This is the time to make him talk before he dies old.

(2) Petrus is the Indonesian word for Peter, the strongest but dumbest disciple of Jesus/Nabi Isa.



some trivia notes about PETRUS :
- In my discussion with an elder of mine, he said that during PETRUS, Jakarta especially was so safe, that you could ride a bus (Metromini to be precise) without worrying about Premans bullying and extorting the passengers.
- In one story, an infamous criminal is being released, transported by car. Inside, he (the one people scared of) begged to not release him. The police calmed him down, and told him to get out of the car. After he walk a few steps, the cops shouted "HEY, YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY!" and shot him dead. Then the event closed officially as "a prisoner is shot because he's trying to run away from the police custody".
- The iconic vehicle of the time (CMIIW) is Suzuki Jimny. It's a kind of jeep just right to carry and drop a body, after that the car speed off as fast as they can... then in the next morning, people would see dead bodies lying on the street.
- The tattooed people were so scared that at the time of PETRUS, they literally iron their tattoos off with an iron (the one you used to iron your shirt and pants). So that the tattoo isn't visible anymore.

Jagi
08-28-2009, 09:22 AM
Sorry, the news in Bahasa Indonesia..
The important is, Pindad legally export the rifle to the philipines and Mali.. The Philipines shooting federation ordered 10 Pindad's P-2 hand gun for sport uses, while the SS-1 V1, was ordered by Mali's Government for their army. Mali ordered 100 ss1-V1 rifles from Pindad. The ship will have Mali their second destination after The Philipines..

The custom resolution is still being processed right now..

I saw the news about this on TV and they headlined it as "Kontroversi Senjata Israel" (Israeli Weapon Controversy) or something like that. Now what does this SS-1 smuggling news has got to do with Israeli guns,in this case Galil?

Jagi
08-28-2009, 09:29 AM
like having licence to kill?

i somehow got a mixed feeling about this

Yup,they do have sort of license,so maybe it's better to call them "ALGOJO" rather than just some mysterious shooter...If i'm not mistaken their jurisdiction was not limited to crooks and gangs but all of those who oppose or even dare talking about Mr.S behind his back :-*$:-*$

bambu runcing
08-28-2009, 10:19 AM
It is Philippine officer who mistakenly said that the SS-1 was Galil but manufactured in Indonesia. Those mistake quoted by Philippine local media and then quoted by Indonesian media and read by Indonesian authority such DPR.

DPR angry knowing Israeli weapon manufactured in Indonesia....:)
Finally the truth revealed. It is not Galil, but truly Pindad SS-1



I saw the news about this on TV and they headlined it as "Kontroversi Senjata Israel" (Israeli Weapon Controversy) or something like that. Now what does this SS-1 smuggling news has got to do with Israeli guns,in this case Galil?

toukairin
08-28-2009, 10:56 AM
It is Philippine officer who mistakenly said that the SS-1 was Galil but manufactured in Indonesia. Those mistake quoted by Philippine local media and then quoted by Indonesian media and read by Indonesian authority such DPR.

DPR angry knowing Israeli weapon manufactured in Indonesia....:)
Finally the truth revealed. It is not Galil, but truly Pindad SS-1

And it's really telling us the (veery low) quality of our Representative. Hell ,they got Komisi 1 (Commission 1) PERTAHANAN (Defence), why the hell didn't they know the difference between Galil and SS-1?? It's our country's rifle for Pete's sake!

BTW I went to PINDAD one time... they got a sample Galil (for study), but because it's one of the first batch, it's still very rough... but nevertheless it's there, Israeli weapon in Indonesia. And nobody protested, right? :roll:

junglejim
08-28-2009, 11:20 AM
And it's really telling us the (veery low) quality of our Representative. Hell ,they got Komisi 1 (Commission 1) PERTAHANAN (Defence), why the hell didn't they know the difference between Galil and SS-1?? It's our country's rifle for Pete's sake!

BTW I went to PINDAD one time... they got a sample Galil (for study), but because it's one of the first batch, it's still very rough... but nevertheless it's there, Israeli weapon in Indonesia. And nobody protested, right? :roll:


The mother of all cluster****s, hehe. Yeah the Philippine media started calling it a Galil, probably due to one of the Customs representative who was there and not familiar with the guns. Thing is, the ship started losing crates of these rifles before it even reached the port. Also if it was for Mali then the papers should have been filed with the customs. Still something very fishy on this incident.

toukairin
08-28-2009, 11:26 AM
we'll see about that maybe in a few days or so. First i thought the lag between the findings and official statements is caused by the coordination between gov't agencies to say the same thing together (kinda like agreeing on which tire is flat when your parents asked you and your buddies what's taking you so long from school, when you're late in getting home...in reality you're playing games in the arcade or having a double date together).

it turned out... PINDAD and Dephan said different things. OK i know the "chain of command" isn't like Pindad answering to Dephan, but can't they sit together and think of how to answer the press together? d'oh!

Jagi
08-28-2009, 11:29 AM
The mother of all cluster****s, hehe. Yeah the Philippine media started calling it a Galil, probably due to one of the Customs representative who was there and not familiar with the guns. Thing is, the ship started losing crates of these rifles before it even reached the port. Also if it was for Mali then the papers should have been filed with the customs. Still something very fishy on this incident.

At least this way we can get our guns promoted...though in a rather ridiculous manner:roll::roll::roll:

junglejim
08-28-2009, 11:31 AM
we'll see about that maybe in a few days or so. First i thought the lag between the findings and official statements is caused by the coordination between gov't agencies to say the same thing together (kinda like agreeing on which tire is flat when your parents asked you and your buddies what's taking you so long from school, when you're late in getting home...in reality you're playing games in the arcade or having a double date together).

it turned out... PINDAD and Dephan said different things. OK i know the "chain of command" isn't like Pindad answering to Dephan, but can't they sit together and think of how to answer the press together? d'oh!

Yup, cause I think the defense attache of your country was already summoned by the Philippines to explain this incident. Dont think that they see it as something sinister yet since the two countries have enjoyed a very close relationship and actually open to help each other out.

Jagi
08-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Supposedly,these guns were ordered by a private firm called RWB Inc. (Red White and Blue Incorporated) for the Philippines gov't. The orders were 10 P2s and 100 SS-1V1. This firm is said to be pretty well-known as arms supplier and already has the approval from the gov't as a third party to supply weapons for gov't use. Still,not much is known about the company itself

toukairin
08-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Supposedly,these guns were ordered by a private firm called RWB Inc. (Red White and Blue Incorporated) for the Philippines gov't. The orders were 10 P2s and 100 SS-1V1. This firm is said to be pretty well-known as arms supplier and already has the approval from the gov't as a third party to supply weapons for gov't use. Still,not much is known about the company itself

Hahaha! Pindad told different story!

If i'm not wrong, pindad said that :
10 P2s --> for Filipino (private shooter??)
100 SS1 --> Mali armed forces

So... in my conclusin, this case is still not clear at all..

junglejim
08-28-2009, 11:48 AM
Supposedly,these guns were ordered by a private firm called RWB Inc. (Red White and Blue Incorporated) for the Philippines gov't. The orders were 10 P2s and 100 SS-1V1. This firm is said to be pretty well-known as arms supplier and already has the approval from the gov't as a third party to supply weapons for gov't use. Still,not much is known about the company itself


Our army uses the M-16 rifle and have no plans in changing in the immediate future. SO I am not keen on buying that story.

toukairin
08-28-2009, 11:55 AM
Some gallery based story :

Only in Indonesia, that this kind of news is in the official Army News Website :
http://www.tniad.mil.id/1berita.php?pil=8&dn=20090825145229
MAYOR JENDERAL TNI DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO PERINGATI HUT KE-24 PERNIKAHAN
(TNI Maj.Gen. DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO COMMEMORATES 24TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1917/ultahp5jaya.jpg


25-Aug-2009, 14:55:33WIB

Kasdam Jaya/Jayakarta Brigadir Jenderal TNI Moeldoko memimpin acara peringatan Hari Ulang Tahun ke-24 Pernikahan Pangdam Jaya/Jayakarta Mayor Jenderal TNI Darpito Pudyastungkoro dengan Ny. Tinuk Darpito Pudyastungkoro bertempat di Pondok Ranca Jl. Mahoni Jati Mulya Bekasi Timur, Selasa (25/8).

Hadir dalam acara tersebut Irdam Jaya, para Perwira Staf Ahli Pangdam Jaya, Para Komandan Korem Kodam Jaya, para Asisten Kasdam Jaya, Asisten Perencanaan Pangdam Jaya, Pa LO AL dan AU, Para Komandan Satuan Jajaran Kodam Jaya, para Kepala Badan Pelaksana jajaran Kodam Jaya yang seluruhnya didampingi para istri masing-masing serta para keluarga besar Pangdam Jaya dan rekan-rekan Pangdam Jaya.

Tujuan dari acara tersebut adalah untuk memantapkan keakraban yang selama ini sudah sangat baik terjalin baik dilingkungan tugas maupun keluarga. Acara ini diselenggarakan atas prakarsa Kasdam Jaya tanpa ada pemberitahuan terlebih dahulu kepada Pangdam Jaya dengan maksud untuk membuat sebuah kejutan atau surprise sehingga acara ini dapat dikenang sepanjang masa.

Acara dimulai dengan dibawanya Pangdam Jaya dari kediaman oleh staf pribadi beserta pengemudi, sedangkan Pangdam Jaya sama sekali tidak mengetahui akan dibawa kemana, bahkan Pangdam sendiri sangat asing sekali dengan route perjalanan. Sesampainya di tempat tujuan, Pangdam Jaya disambut oleh Kasdam Jaya dan baru mengetahui maksud dan tujuannya acara tersebut. Setelah seluruhnya berkumpul, Kasdam Jaya membuka acara, dalam sambutannya menyampaikan bahwa, acara ini sengaja kami selenggarakan tanpa ada pemberitahuan terlebih dahulu kepada Panglima dengan maksud membuat kejutan bagi bapak Panglima, selain itu acara ini dapat dijadikan contoh bagi kita semua dalam mengarungi bahtera rumah tangga sehingga dapat langgeng seperti bapak Panglima. Kami semua mengucapkan Selamat Hari Ulang Tahun ke-24 atas pernikahannya bapak Panglima semoga sehat dan bahagia dan selalu mendapat berkah dari Tuhan Yang Maha Esa, kata Kasdam Jaya. Selanjutnya Kasdam Jaya memberikan hadiah ulang tahun yang berbentuk karikatur kepada Panglima dan Ibu.

Pada sambutannya Pangdam Jaya menyampaikan, ucapan terima kasih yang sebesar-besarnya atas dilaksanakan acara ini yang bagi saya sangat surprise dan cukup mengejutkan serta sangat merasa tersanjung, ternyata ada yang sangat memperhatikan tentang hari ulang tahun pernikahan saya. Acara hari ulang tahun ke-24 pernikahan Mayor Jenderal TNI Darpito Pudyastungkoro dengan Ny. Tinuk Darpito pada puncaknya ditandai dengan peniupan lilin dan pemotongan kue ulang tahun dan pemberian ucapan selamat oleh seluruh yang hadir dalam acara tersebut dan acara dilanjutkan dengan persembahan lagu dari putra tertua Pangdam Jaya dan selanjutnya acara ramah tamah. (Pendam Jaya/Dispenad)


Sorry it's in Bahasa. The point that the Jakarta Military Region (JMR) Commander Maj.Gen. Darpito Pudyastungkoro commemorates his 24th wedding anniversary, led by his chief of staff TNI Brig.Gen. Moeldoko. It's a surprise party initiated by the JMR Chief of Staff. Then Brig.Gen.Moeldoko gave a wedding gift of caricature to the JMR Commander and his wife Mrs. Tinuk Darpito.

toukairin
08-28-2009, 12:09 PM
After 9 pages of army news that's only related to misc.activities and NOT exercises/training/etc, there's a news about Army Military Academy cadets doing a Platoon Tactical Exercise.

http://www.tniad.mil.id/1berita.php?pil=19&dn=20090821205808
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2073/wagublatiston.jpg

AKADEMI MILITER GELAR LATIHAN TAKTIS PELETON
(Army Military Academy Held Platoon Tactical Exercise)
Oleh : Akmil



24-Aug-2009, 10:31:57WIB

Taruna Akademi Militer mengikuti Upacara pemberangkatan Latihan Taktis Peleton di Lapangan Pancasila, Akmil, Jumat (21/8). Bertindak sebagai Inspektur Upacara pada Gelar upacara pemberangkatan Latikan ini, Wakil Gubernur Akademi Militer, Brigjen TNI Zulkarnen Pane, yang secara resmi mewakili Gubernur Akmil, membuka Latihan Taktis Peleton .

Hadir dalam upacara tersebut para pejabat teras Akmil, para Perwira dan Pengasuh Akmil. Kegiatan ini diikuti oleh sejumlah 276 orang Taruna Tingkat 4 (Sermatutar/Batalyon Taruna Dewasa) Akmil .

Dalam Amanatnya yang dibacakan oleh Brigjen TNI Zulkarnaen Pane, Gubernur Akademi Militer, Mayjen TNI Sabar Yudo Suroso menyampaikan bahwa Latihan itu penting, bukan yang penting latihan. Dari latihan tersebut diharapkan para Taruna dapat memiliki dasar pengetahuan, gambaran dan pengalaman yang nantinya sangat bermanfaat bagi tugas yang diemban di masa mendatang. Pengalaman-pengalaman dari latihan tersebut agar dapat dijadikan dasar dalam melaksanakan latihan-latihan selanjutnya. Ditengah amanatnya Gubernur juga memerintahkan agar para Taruna senantiasa selalu menjaga keamanan, baik personel maupun material, dengan selalu memohon petunjuk, perlindungan dan bimbingan dari Allah SWT, Tuhan Yang Maha Esa.


Sesuai dengan rencana Kurikulum yang telah diprogramkan, latihan ini akan berlangsung sampai dengan 28 Agustus 2009 dilaksanakan di wilayah Loano (Purworejo) dan sekitarnya. Para Taruna tersebut selama latihan ini akan memperoleh materi latihan sebagai berikut, Operasi lawan Gerilya (Ops Wan Ger), Perlawanan Penghadangan Kendaraan (Wan Dang Ran), Taktik Peleton Senapan (Tiktonpan) dalam pertahanan dan Taktik Peleton Senapan (Tiktonpan) dalam serangan. Latihan ini memiliki arti penting bagi para Taruna Tingkat tersebut yang nantinya akan menjabat Komandan Peleton (Danton) setelah menyelesaikan pendidikannya di Akmil, Pada awal penugasannya sebagai Perwira TNI AD. Disamping itu, latihan ini bertujuan untuk meningkatkan penguasaan dan kemampuan taktik dan teknik tempur tingkat peleton, naluri lapangan, dan kepemimpinan lapangan. (Pen Humas Akmil/Dispenad)


Points in the news :
- The exercise is followed by 276 Senior year Cadets (Cadet Sergeant Major)
- The training is held from 21-28 August 2009 in the Loano (Purworejo) area.
- The training materials for the exercise is as follows :
>Counter Guerilla Ops
>Vehicle Ambush Resistance (i dunno the perfect translation, it's a training for the soldiers to be able to fight if they're ambushed when inside vehicles)
>Rifle Platoon Tactics (defence)
>Rifle Platoon Tactics (offence)

- The objective of the exercise is to increase mastery and ability in battle tactics and techniques at platoon level, field instinct, and field leadership.

bambu runcing
08-28-2009, 06:52 PM
You right dude.
Mr Timbul Sitombul, media relations of Pindad said so

The ship (MV Ufuk) bound for Mali but they transit in Manila first.
So, when administration paper in Manila didn't work well, they were searched by Philippine Custom and in aboard were found legal 100 SS-1 rifle for Mali along with legal 10 P2 pistol for a Philippine shooter club.

Mr Toukarin, I think it's not solely our DPR members mistake for they cannot differ between Galil and SS-1 as the news coming to Indonesia without any photograph/picture.

It was Koran Tempo who quoted the The Philippines Daily Inquirer who quoted Fernandino Tuason, head of investigation and intelligence service in Philippine Custom and Excise. And I think the suspect of this messy is Mr Tuason.....
Without any thorough verification and investigation (as his proper duty), Tuason invite media to expose their catch and boasting the ship maybe part of international gun smuggler syndicate

He wish for promotion.... but maybe only get screwed..................:)



Hahaha! Pindad told different story!

If i'm not wrong, pindad said that :
10 P2s --> for Filipino (private shooter??)
100 SS1 --> Mali armed forces

So... in my conclusin, this case is still not clear at all..

junglejim
08-28-2009, 09:53 PM
You right dude.
Mr Timbul Sitombul, media relations of Pindad said so

The ship (MV Ufuk) bound for Mali but they transit in Manila first.
So, when administration paper in Manila didn't work well, they were searched by Philippine Custom and in aboard were found legal 100 SS-1 rifle for Mali along with legal 10 P2 pistol for a Philippine shooter club.

Mr Toukarin, I think it's not solely our DPR members mistake for they cannot differ between Galil and SS-1 as the news coming to Indonesia without any photograph/picture.

It was Koran Tempo who quoted the The Philippines Daily Inquirer who quoted Fernandino Tuason, head of investigation and intelligence service in Philippine Custom and Excise. And I think the suspect of this messy is Mr Tuason.....
Without any thorough verification and investigation (as his proper duty), Tuason invite media to expose their catch and boasting the ship maybe part of international gun smuggler syndicate

He wish for promotion.... but maybe only get screwed..................:)


Actually, if the ship were carrying those weapons but no proper papers were filed, they will get detained. The shipping company should have fixed the papers first.

CrimsonPig
08-29-2009, 12:43 AM
Ok, for a quick reply, I'd have to answer only one of your question. The "Darah Mengalir" (lit. "Streaming Blood" or "Bleeding") is a distinct camo pattern belonging to Indonesian Army's elite Special Forces, the KOPASSUS (Komando Pasukan Khusus or Special Forces Commando).

The pattern is only used during the unit's internal events, activities inside the "ksatrian" (HQ), etc. It cannot be used for general purposes, because the rule dictates so. KOPASSUS has to wear the TNI Camo (Malvinas) in other activities.

About the history.... I'd have to go check it in a magazine, it's in my campus so i have to go and fetch it...

Terima Kasih sir Toukairin.Thank you for the info.

CrimsonPig
08-29-2009, 12:52 AM
Just want to show to CrimsonPig (what a nice name, I hope it's your real name), the below pic shows the Marines' camo.

Terima kasih Master Chief.Thanks very much for the info.I've been dreaming of having the bleeding camo pattern for my small collection of BDU's.I see that you find my MP.net name nice:).

fcaesarn
08-29-2009, 02:39 AM
Some gallery based story :

Only in Indonesia, that this kind of news is in the official Army News Website :
http://www.tniad.mil.id/1berita.php?pil=8&dn=20090825145229
MAYOR JENDERAL TNI DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO PERINGATI HUT KE-24 PERNIKAHAN
(TNI Maj.Gen. DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO COMMEMORATES 24TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1917/ultahp5jaya.jpg



Sorry it's in Bahasa. The point that the Jakarta Military Region (JMR) Commander Maj.Gen. Darpito Pudyastungkoro commemorates his 24th wedding anniversary, led by his chief of staff TNI Brig.Gen. Moeldoko. It's a surprise party initiated by the JMR Chief of Staff. Then Brig.Gen.Moeldoko gave a wedding gift of caricature to the JMR Commander and his wife Mrs. Tinuk Darpito.


It will become military infotainment..

fcaesarn
08-29-2009, 02:40 AM
Can anyone here ID this vehicle???
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6677/pelepasandankormar28080.jpg

FlintHillBilly
08-29-2009, 02:42 AM
Can anyone here ID this vehicle???

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6677/pelepasandankormar28080.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6677/pelepasandankormar28080.jpg)

Looks like a humvee to me.....unless im missing something.

Aghost
08-29-2009, 03:43 AM
Can anyone here ID this vehicle???
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6677/pelepasandankormar28080.jpg


Let me guess, I think it could be Bhirawa, locally made humvee by the "Pupuk Kaltim" (Government fertilizer factory). Because I've never heard TNI purchase humvee from US.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8697/bhirawa2tp1.jpg

karbol
08-29-2009, 07:51 AM
- In one story, an infamous criminal is being released, transported by car. Inside, he (the one people scared of) begged to not release him. The police calmed him down, and told him to get out of the car. After he walk a few steps, the cops shouted "HEY, YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY!" and shot him dead. Then the event closed officially as "a prisoner is shot because he's trying to run away from the police custody".

this one is not a 'PETRUS'... and believe me, this think still happen right now. if you watch criminal program on tv, this is what really happened... the police wants to give the TV cameramen/reporter a good show. on the other hand, the TV's Cameramen/reporter need a good show...

so they just said: "...801 aja ndan...!!.."

Jagi
08-29-2009, 11:19 AM
Our army uses the M-16 rifle and have no plans in changing in the immediate future. SO I am not keen on buying that story.

Absolutely,maybe the SS-1s are just additional inventories to complement the M-16...maybe...anyways the info about the third party is from the interview on metro with a representative of Pindad

Jagi
08-29-2009, 11:23 AM
Let me guess, I think it could be Bhirawa, locally made humvee by the "Pupuk Kaltim" (Government fertilizer factory). Because I've never heard TNI purchase humvee from US.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8697/bhirawa2tp1.jpg

It could be a Bhirawa but it's also possible that it's a Humvee or even a Hummer H1 purchased in a tiny number...whi knows:-(:-(:-(

ZAYYANA
08-30-2009, 02:43 AM
Anybody know the story of Hummvee in Indonesian Armed forces....?

sunsettowner
08-30-2009, 07:49 PM
Looks like a humvee to me.....unless im missing something.

second that, look at the detail:
geared hub front transmission, >> bhirawa still uses conventional axle
winch, >> gak ada di bhirawa
black light (to drive without bright headlamp, i don't know the exact name) on the left (driver) side >> bhirawa punya di kanan

toukairin
08-31-2009, 01:06 AM
news : one of the my mailing list members said that it's a civilian Humvee, donned and painted in TNI camo. It's only used by the TNI just for that occasion.

ayanami_tard
08-31-2009, 01:14 AM
^hummer H1?

karbol
08-31-2009, 03:59 AM
hmmm... so it must be very-very rare HUMVEE. a Limited edition, The Ceremony Humvee...rofl

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 03:31 AM
news : one of the my mailing list members said that it's a civilian Humvee, donned and painted in TNI camo. It's only used by the TNI just for that occasion.

Maybe you got the wrong information. Hummer doesn't make any civilian version for that open-top Humvee.

If you ask, maybe they modify it?? I don't think so.

Since when our TNI camo follows US Woodland camo??
Thant's not TNI camo, noob..

google it!

There are several posibilities:
1. They bought it
2. Copy it (local humvee: Bhirawa - but, we dont find any similarities)
3. Asset transfer from the US? Maybe a present for conducting joint exercise since Indonesian Marines & USMC have been enjoying their close relationships :)

Either no.1 or 3, I guess...

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 03:34 AM
hmmm... so it must be very-very rare HUMVEE. a Limited edition, The Ceremony Humvee...rofl
That's not limited edition. That humvee is one of the standard issue model being used by the US military. I thing they just modified it by adding handle at the right side of the vehicle.

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 03:35 AM
^hummer H1?

Maybe??
But why we have it in US camo?????????
WHY??

If that is H1, why it got black lamp for night vision purpose on the left corner of the vehicle, just beside the turning lamp.

It is obviously Humvee, not Hummer!

The main things we have to consider:
1. Why using US camo?
2. How can it be right driving position?

Actually these 2 things contradicts each other.

If it is from the US, it shud be left driving position.
If it is from outside of the US, it shud be in non- US camo.

hmmm...

karbol
09-01-2009, 04:05 AM
^^ooh man... dont be so serious bro...

as toukairin said, it was borrowed from civilian, and paint it and modify it only for ceremony purpose...

thats why i said, it was a very limited edition Humvee... UP CEREMONY HUMVEE..rofl

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 04:16 AM
^^ooh man... dont be so serious bro...

as toukairin said, it was borrowed from civilian, and paint it and modify it only for ceremony purpose...

thats why i said, it was a very limited edition Humvee... UP CEREMONY HUMVEE..rofl

really??prove it then..

why they paint it in US camo??

borrowed from a civilian, modify it & use it only for a ceremony??

lol...

karbol
09-01-2009, 04:28 AM
really??prove it then..

why they paint it in US camo??

borrowed from a civilian, modify it & use it only for a ceremony??

lol...

it is LOL... go ask the marine your self...

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 04:36 AM
it is LOL... go ask the marine your self...

lol & LOL... not much difference.

Yeah, I wish I could

Aghost
09-01-2009, 04:36 AM
Guys you should post new picture in this thread than flame unproductive debate...

Karbol usually you come up with fresh picture... please post it to us.

hawkeye88
09-01-2009, 04:40 AM
Guys you should post new picture in this thread than flame unproductive debate...

Karbol usually you come up with fresh picture... please post it to us.

agree.. maybe he is just getting out of gud pix...

lolz

Master Chief
09-01-2009, 05:15 AM
Judging from more pics below, I don't think it's a real Humvee. Forget about the camo paint. TNI so far do not have a standard camo for their vehicles. Any units can paint any camo they want.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar2.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar1.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar3.jpg

The Marines normally use this below jeep. Now it's a real trully Humvee, no doubt, no question, no LOL, please...
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar4.jpg


Can anyone here ID this vehicle???
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6677/pelepasandankormar28080.jpg

ZAYYANA
09-01-2009, 05:19 AM
More pics please....

karbol
09-01-2009, 06:05 AM
Guys you should post new picture in this thread than flame unproductive debate...

Karbol usually you come up with fresh picture... please post it to us.


agree.. maybe he is just getting out of gud pix...

lolz

yeah... sometimes, i'm getting out of good pics. no good events coming up. ... hmmm.... harus bongkar hardisk dulu bro..

oya, about the Humvee, Nata might be know the truth... where is Nata?

toukairin
09-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Maybe you got the wrong information. Hummer doesn't make any civilian version for that open-top Humvee.

If you ask, maybe they modify it?? I don't think so.

Since when our TNI camo follows US Woodland camo??
Thant's not TNI camo, noob..

google it!

There are several posibilities:
1. They bought it
2. Copy it (local humvee: Bhirawa - but, we dont find any similarities)
3. Asset transfer from the US? Maybe a present for conducting joint exercise since Indonesian Marines & USMC have been enjoying their close relationships :)

Either no.1 or 3, I guess...

sorry, i misquote my fren, he said it was donned in a NATO-like camo, hehehe... thanks for the correction.

toukairin
09-01-2009, 01:49 PM
Ok, i'm gonna go with news from the Korps Marinir.

Some of the interesting news :

http://www.marinir.mil.id/berita.php?id=20090820125042
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5111/pecahbatu.jpg
PRAJURIT ARHANUD-2 MARINIR PECAHKAN BATU DENGAN KEPALA
(MARINE 2-ARHANUD SOLDIERS BREAK STONE WITH HEAD)

*ARHANUD : ARtileri pertaHANan UDara - Air Defence Artillery (ADA)

[20-Agustus-2009]Jakarta, 20 Agustus 2009

Dalam rangka membina serta menyiapkan kemampuan profesional prajurit Marinir dalam mendukung tugas pokoknya, menjaga keutuhan serta mempertahankan Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia dari segala ancaman, tiap-tiap satuan di jajaran Korps Marinir dituntut untuk membina dan menyiapkan para prajuritnya, dengan kemampuan bela diri. Demikian juga, dengan prajurit-prajurit di Batalyon Arhanud-2 Marinir, saat ini, mereka telah memiliki dan membina kemampuan Bela Diri Karate dengan bergabung dalam Wadah Dojo Lemkari.

Sementara itu, di Arhanud-2 Mar, sebagai benteng dari dalam, para prajuritnya dibekali kemampuan pernapasan. ”Hal ini guna menambah kekuatan dan kesehatan sehingga disegani lawan”, tegas Komandan Arhanud-2 Mar.

Dalam Aksinya, unjuk kemampuan bela diri ini ditampilkan dalam suatu rangkaian kegiatan Ulang Tahun Arhanud Marinir ke-46 di Kesatrian Marinir Cilandak, melalui suatu peragaan yang dilakukan sendiri oleh Pratu Mar Supriyadi dengan memecahkan batu menggunakan kepala. Ia juga memperagakan kepalanya ditumpuk dengan 5 buah batu bata yang kemudian dipukul palu. Hasilnya, hancurlah batu bata tersebut tanpa mencederai kepalanya.

Kemampuan ini perlu diteladani dan diikuti oleh seluruh prajurit Korps Marinir sehingga menjadi prajurit yang disegani dan ditakuti Lawan. Demikian yang disampaikan oleh Komandan Batalyon Arhanud-2 Marinir Letkol Marinir Budiarso saat dikonfirmasi tim liput Dispen Korps Marinir.

Points :
- It is done as a part of the Marine training in martial art of Karate, Dojo LEMKARI
- It is performed in the 46th Birthday of the Marine ADA in Marine HQ Cilandak, done by Marine PFC Supriyadi by breaking stones with his head. He also demonstrated 5 bricks stacked on his head, then the bricks were hit with hammer. The bricks were destroyed and his head left unscathed.
- Batt.Commander of the 2-Marine ADA, Marine LTC Budiarso said that this ability has to be taken as example and followed by all the soldiers of the Marine Corps, so they become soldiers respected and feared by the enemy.



http://www.marinir.mil.id/berita.php?id=20090820130431

PRAJURIT YONMARHANLAN IX JUARA BODY CONTEST
(SOLDIER OF THE YONMARHANLAN IX IS A CHAMPION OF BODY CONTEST)
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7610/binaraga.jpg


*YONMARHANLAN : Batalyon Marinir Pertahanan Pangkalan (Naval Base Defence Marine Battalion)

[20-Agustus-2009]Jakarta, 20 Agustus 2009

Salah seorang prajurit Yonmarhanlan IX berhasil menjadi juara dalam kejuaraan Binaraga dan Body Contest Piala Wagub Maluku pada tanggal 15 Agustus 2009. Kejuaraan ini dilaksanakan dalam rangka memeriahkan peringatan Kemerdekaan RI ke–64 dan mempertandingkan Binaraga kelas 55/60, 65/70 dan 70+ serta body contest untuk kelas bebas. Kejuaraan ini diikuti 34 peserta dari Maluku. Sedangkan Papua yang diselenggarakan Gymnasium Babuku, yang mendatangkan bintang tamu Ade Ray sebagai tim juri.

Pratu Marinir Acep Febrianto menjadi juara 1 pada body cantest kelas bebas serta juara harapan 1 untuk Binaraga kelas 65/70. Olah raga Binaraga ini mulai digeluti Pratu Mar Acep sejak Juni 2008 dengan bergabung pada Gym Fla Fitness di daerah Ambon. Hal ini merupakan salah satu kegiatan positif yang dipilihnya.

Dengan menggeluti cabang Olahraga ini, Ia dapat menyalurkan kegiatan diluar jam dinas ke hal-hal yang positif. Beberapa kejuaraan telah diikutinya, antara lain Body contest pada November 2008 menjadi juara harapan 1, Body contest pada bulan februari 2009 menjadi 6 besar, L-men of the year pada bulan april 2009 di Surabaya masuk 30 besar dan Men Health Mei 2009 di Surabaya masuk 16 besar.

Pratu Mar Acep adalah anak pertama dari 2 bersaudara pasangan Serka Marinir Sapta Tohar yang berdinas di Kompi Markas Yonif 5 dan Lilis Hendrawati yang memiliki usaha kantin di Yonif 5 mar. Pratu Mar Acep, mengawali karir sebagai Tamtama di Kompi G Yonif 5 Mar pada bulan Maret 2006. Berdinas di Yonif 5, sejak tahun 2006 sampai dengan Agustus 2007. Pratu Mar Acep merupakan salah satu atlet Binsat Batalyon. “Dengan adanya mutasi besar-besaran di tubuh Korps Marinir dengan pembentukan Yonmarhanlan, maka Ia mendapat penugasan di Yonmarhanlan IX Ambon”, tegasnya.

Dengan menggeluti olahraga ini, Pratu Mar Acep tetap mampu memelihara kebugaran fisiknya sebagai prajurit. Dalam kegiatan Samapta dan kegiatan fisik lainnya, Ia selalu menjadi yang terdepan.

Points :
- Marine PFC Acep Febrianto became champion in Body Building and Body Contest Championship - Vice Governor of Maluku Cup. He came 1st in free style class body contest and 4th in 65/70 class.
- PFC Acep started the sport in June 2008 after joining the Fla Fitness Gym in Ambon.
- Aside from this event, his performances are : Nov'08 Body Contest - 4th, Feb'09 Body Contest - Top 6, L-Men of the Year April'09 - Top 30, Men Health May'09 Surabaya City - Top 16
- He's always the top in Samapta (Physical Test) and other physical activities because of this sport.

fcaesarn
09-01-2009, 08:51 PM
Judging from more pics below, I don't think it's a real Humvee. Forget about the camo paint. TNI so far do not have a standard camo for their vehicles. Any units can paint any camo they want.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar2.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar1.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar3.jpg

The Marines normally use this below jeep. Now it's a real trully Humvee, no doubt, no question, no LOL, please...
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar4.jpg

I feel that there is something wrong or gone with that hmmv.... so i think it's not 100% hmvv.. LoL..

ZAYYANA
09-02-2009, 03:14 AM
I though Humvee Military driver are in the left....??

Dark Avenger
09-02-2009, 05:34 AM
AMG does make a version of the HMMWV for users that drive on the wrong side of the road (i.e. driver sits on the right). That other jeep (the Marine one) looks to me like a KIA 422.

karbol
09-02-2009, 07:46 AM
talk about korps marinir... the commander of Korps Marinir have been hand over into Brigjen (mar) Alfan Baharudin. Brigjen Alfan known as a true fighter, also he was a former Denjaka Commander...

SELAMAT BERTUGAS PAK! JALESU BHUMYAMCA JAYAMAHE!!

Aghost
09-02-2009, 07:51 AM
MAYOR JENDERAL TNI DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO PERINGATI HUT KE-24 PERNIKAHAN
(TNI Maj.Gen. DARPITO PUDYASTUNGKORO COMMEMORATES 24TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1917/ultahp5jaya.jpg

They held party for their boss wedding birthday and put it on official military website...

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/HumveeKormar3.jpg
Look at the banner, what the...... they held official military ceremony complete with the armament to say good bye to their general and his wife, just for the transfer to the new assignment. It's too personal... look like they worship their boss, it's not good for the leadership, they should respect their boss properly.

Then when the boss retired he will get post power sindrom and couldn't assimilate with his social environment.

toukairin
09-02-2009, 07:53 AM
aghost, wayy to naive, the generals would already prepare for the post TNI life. that's why many of them gather riches as much as possible to compensate for the post-soldier life, hehehe... and if lucky, the government would put them in BUMNs as Komisaris so that they'd stay on a cushy seat.

any 3-4 stars TNI generals that is a poor guy? don't think so... they're all damn rich!

Master Chief
09-02-2009, 10:38 AM
A friend of mine , lives in south of Jakarta, once he told me that he has a neighbor, an ex-Pangdam Kodam Jaya, now works in Cilangkap. In his big house's big garage: a Range Rover, a Pajero, a Toyota Harier, a Mitsubishi sedan, sometimes a Grand Cherokee and a few more. Some have Cilangkap plate, some are private properties.

Yes, maybe the armed forces budget is far from ideal , but this is just enough to make the generals very wealthy. :bash:
The story regarding generals from Polri is even more scary.


aghost, wayy to naive, the generals would already prepare for the post TNI life. that's why many of them gather riches as much as possible to compensate for the post-soldier life, hehehe... and if lucky, the government would put them in BUMNs as Komisaris so that they'd stay on a cushy seat.

any 3-4 stars TNI generals that is a poor guy? don't think so... they're all damn rich!

Master Chief
09-02-2009, 10:57 AM
We saw SBY in Kopassus uniform. Below SBY in other SF uniforms
(Man, he must be the world's best Special Forces soldier):

Marines:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SBYKormar.jpg

Korpaskhas:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SBYKorpaskhas2.jpg

toukairin
09-02-2009, 02:26 PM
yeah, and he got all that after getting that big tummy...

are all the skill patches on his chest etc are real? because all the emblem placements are basically the same when he wears the kopaskhas and marine uniform...

in US, the triple canopy is got after getting the ranger, airborne and commando tab (CMIIW). Well, what's the English for FOUR emblems stacked together? ;p

karbol
09-03-2009, 12:35 AM
found it... an old commercial for FNC/SS-1 made in PINDAD...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/FNCSS-1iklan.jpg

gungho
09-03-2009, 01:51 AM
nice one karbol.. loved them classic photo shoots..

bambu runcing
09-03-2009, 02:18 AM
saw them last time in TSM magazine, when I was still innocent boy....
20 year ago I suppose...
Aaah good old days.... I missed TSM mags, nothing compare to them now.
Not Commando, not Defender !!



found it... an old commercial for FNC/SS-1 made in PINDAD...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/FNCSS-1iklan.jpg

msam13
09-03-2009, 06:13 AM
We saw SBY in Kopassus uniform. Below SBY in other SF uniforms
(Man, he must be the world's best Special Forces soldier):

Marines:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SBYKormar.jpg

Korpaskhas:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SBYKorpaskhas2.jpg


Guys, I really against all this symbolic gift by our special force. How come someone that easily get all those badge without even sweating?, look at his uniform, kopaska, paskhas, and kopassus, etc. The army need to look back at all those brave men who have the skill and fought to get the special force badge. Well, just my pov..

Master Chief
09-03-2009, 07:17 AM
I think I had seen this ad long time ago; a pure FN's FNC, without Pindad logo on it.


found it... an old commercial for FNC/SS-1 made in PINDAD...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/FNCSS-1iklan.jpg

karbol
09-03-2009, 09:00 AM
^^see the writing on right below corner... it said: PINDA.....

Master Chief
09-03-2009, 10:49 AM
Old pictures of Raider.
Source: Commando.

Raider shoulder patches (reminiscent of US Army Rangers)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider2.jpg

Normal uniform (that digital disruptive pattern camo is awesome)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider1.jpg

Gultor (the shoulder pad looks like a home made)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider3.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider7.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider8.jpg

Gultor squad in practice
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider6.jpg

Rapid force
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider10.jpg

Vietnam style
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider11.jpg

Parade
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider12.jpg

Marine assault
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider13.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider9.jpg

Jungle warfare (he's a rare lefty soldier)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider4.jpg

Sniper (another rare lefty soldier)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Raider5.jpg

toukairin
09-03-2009, 03:19 PM
some points :
i think it's talked about in this forum or the other, that TNI is making a mistake in understanding the concept of pixel pattern. OK, i dunno that much either, but i know that blurring the original TNI uniform into a pixelated version is not a real pixel pattern concept, comparing to other countries' concept of pixel pattern (micro pattern combined into a macro pattern).

also it's not anti terrorist but COUNTER terrorist. Anti terrorism is the work of the intelligence.

Ominae
09-03-2009, 10:40 PM
Man I sure love those Raider digital camos. I wish I can have one for airsoft wargaming... :D

karbol
09-04-2009, 02:18 AM
Man I sure love those Raider digital camos. I wish I can have one for airsoft wargaming... :D

go to Bandung, and ask Toukairin to be your guide... you will find it a lot...:)

gungho
09-04-2009, 02:40 AM
I still wonder why on earth does TNI have red colored rank insignia patches?? it's too contrasting, especially when in jungle warfare that little red *****e could give position away don't you think??

as for the raider digital pattern, I agree with toukairin, it's just basically three different colors combined making a whole lot micro pattern.. and the green is too strong I think, it should be more earthy green rather than bright green

gungho
09-04-2009, 02:45 AM
Guys, I really against all this symbolic gift by our special force. How come someone that easily get all those badge without even sweating?, look at his uniform, kopaska, paskhas, and kopassus, etc. The army need to look back at all those brave men who have the skill and fought to get the special force badge. Well, just my pov..

I share the same sentiment bro.. but then again this is Indonesia, over respect to superior is the custom in practice :|

mahawarman
09-04-2009, 03:20 AM
Hello there, i have difficulties on find Densus 88 HiRes pic in full gear, coz when i saw them in Temanggung Operation, they seems used MICH Style helmet but no MSA or SDS product, seems Armourshield Helmet and CIRAS Vest in black colour with DAPS...

Does any one has their pics?

mahawarman
09-04-2009, 03:25 AM
Man I sure love those Raider digital camos. I wish I can have one for airsoft wargaming... :D

Well if you not able to buy the set of the uniform, you can buy the fabric, its ripstop materials and you can made a custom BDU not strictly follow the Kostrad Raiders cut :)

mahawarman
09-04-2009, 03:37 AM
I still wonder why on earth does TNI have red colored rank insignia patches?? it's too contrasting, especially when in jungle warfare that little red *****e could give position away don't you think??

as for the raider digital pattern, I agree with toukairin, it's just basically three different colors combined making a whole lot micro pattern.. and the green is too strong I think, it should be more earthy green rather than bright green


If you learn details, it seems became a character style for south east asia countries armed forces to use colourfull insignia, coz being in military or law enforcement gives powerfull and intimidate looks to civilians i guess

mahawarman
09-04-2009, 03:48 AM
I feel that there is something wrong or gone with that hmmv.... so i think it's not 100% hmvv.. LoL..


Well actually, in 2000, Indonesia has been given about 50 -70 Hummvee by US DoD, and those vehicle was parked in Kostrad Bekang division for a week for a general check testing , after a week passed by, my friend who lives in military area cannot located those Hummvee in Kostrad Bekang anymore. But sum times we seen those in a highway passed by our car, line up around 2 or 3 hummvee

Master Chief
09-04-2009, 06:47 AM
More old pics regarding TNI Sniper, from Angkasa.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper6.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper5.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper3.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper2.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper1.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper4.jpg

bambu runcing
09-04-2009, 07:17 AM
Mosin Nagant squad lead the way ... LoL
Minggir...minggiiiirr ..... !!

From which unit are those guys ??


More old pics regarding TNI Sniper, from Angkasa.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Sniper1.jpg

gungho
09-04-2009, 09:25 AM
^^^
I think they're from raiders, seen somewhere in Commando's special edition about Kostrad units..

gungho
09-04-2009, 09:30 AM
Hello there, i have difficulties on find Densus 88 HiRes pic in full gear, coz when i saw them in Temanggung Operation, they seems used MICH Style helmet but no MSA or SDS product, seems Armourshield Helmet and CIRAS Vest in black colour with DAPS...

Does any one has their pics?

really? cos I was wondering the same thing, seen some Den88 guys wearing new helmets and I thought it was MICH.. and you were sure it was black CIRAS, cos they're quite rare if it's by EI.. for all I know, all den88 uses BHI products for their gears


If you learn details, it seems became a character style for south east asia countries armed forces to use colourfull insignia, coz being in military or law enforcement gives powerfull and intimidate looks to civilians i guess

haha.. I suppose so, menacing appearance over the civilians is more considered than being stealthy in the jungle environment

ggk
09-04-2009, 01:04 PM
haha.. I suppose so, menacing appearance over the civilians is more considered than being stealthy in the jungle environment


Usually they cover their insignia with black tape in jungle ops.

Ominae
09-04-2009, 03:13 PM
Well if you not able to buy the set of the uniform, you can buy the fabric, its ripstop materials and you can made a custom BDU not strictly follow the Kostrad Raiders cut :)

Let me know where. Thanks for the alternate heads up. :)

toukairin
09-04-2009, 04:57 PM
Man I sure love those Raider digital camos. I wish I can have one for airsoft wargaming... :D

sir, the consensus of the airsoft communities here, NEVER WEAR A TNI BDU, at any time, any where... :)

raider camo included. at one time, there is this one guy, caught in the photo, wearing TNI Raider Camo BDU. Well, you can imagine the repercussion by the guys in the airsoft communities...

But if you're using it in another country, well that's another story ;p

mahawarman, from what battalion are you??

Ominae
09-04-2009, 06:49 PM
I plan to play airsoft somewhere else though. Thanks for the concern, toukairin.

Hoping to see more of the Raider digital camos.

Master Chief
09-06-2009, 04:08 AM
Let me get it straight about this ad. This is not a Pindad SS1 ad, actually it is FN FNC ad back in 1987. I saw it in a magazine called Military Technology; the ad didn't have Pindad logo on it. Even at that time pindad had not named it SS1.

Anyway, it's a good ad. Below a better version of the ad found from one of my old TSM mags.
Save it in your computer before my photobucket is out of space!

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Archives/FNFNCad.jpg


found it... an old commercial for FNC/SS-1 made in PINDAD...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/FNCSS-1iklan.jpg

Master Chief
09-06-2009, 04:12 AM
From TSM mag, 1987, an old CN-235 ad.
Again, actually the ad was made by CASA. Then they stamped IPTN logo on it (oh I miss that logo).

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Archives/CN235ad.jpg

Master Chief
09-06-2009, 04:16 AM
Same from TSM, it's Pindad ad.
The assault rifle was still called FNC, not SS1.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Archives/Pindadad1987.jpg

Master Chief
09-06-2009, 04:25 AM
Actually TNI have got the dress code regulating these insignia.
On some newer BDU, all patches are in black color (subdued variant) already.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Korpaskhas13.jpg



Usually they cover their insignia with black tape in jungle ops.

Ominae
09-06-2009, 05:38 PM
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v610/132/48/1274792739/n1274792739_178685_7704.jpg

ANSWER: The APC is based on an Israeli design but is Jordanian-built. It is called the Vigor (the Israeli design is called the Wolf)... We could not buy the truck if it was made in Israel so Jordan bought a license from Yahudi land to able to sell it to countries that do not recognise Israel... Apparently the vehicle has awesome shock absorbers, GPS, radar, tiptronic gearbox and can transport 12 pers..

http://photos-a.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v323/131/112/1061012916/n1061012916_30123912_6547.jpg
Vigor

Wolf

Sorry for being too late on this, but who is the producer for the Vigor again? I'm confused. Haven't heard of this. Even an article in the internet.

karbol
09-07-2009, 04:52 AM
here we go again...:-(

Indonesia Navy Nomad crashed at east borneo. 5 people died, 4 wounded...

R.I.P....:-(:-(

gungho
09-07-2009, 05:16 AM
OMG, not again... RIP to the fallen...

Master Chief
09-07-2009, 05:23 AM
Check this out, Dude :
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/light_combat_vehicles/wolf/wolf.htm

It's a Ford truck.
It would be much wiser if they chosed any Indonesian light APC products.


Sorry for being too late on this, but who is the producer for the Vigor again? I'm confused. Haven't heard of this. Even an article in the internet.

4n664
09-07-2009, 06:21 AM
here we go again...:-(

Indonesia Navy Nomad crashed at east borneo. 5 people died, 4 wounded...

R.I.P....:-(:-(


We might have one of the highest casualties for servicemen in peacetime. Thats why they have my highest respect, It's a hard thing to do a job knowing that you have high chances of not coming back.

R.I.P for the ones that fall and condolences to their families...:-(

mr. kurien
09-07-2009, 07:38 AM
here we go again...:-(

Indonesia Navy Nomad crashed at east borneo. 5 people died, 4 wounded...

R.I.P....:-(:-(

my god. another crash? RIP to the fallen heroes and to the wounded victims hope they will recover soon. i think this is the correct time for the Indonesian Goverment to look at this crash matter seriously.

Master Chief
09-07-2009, 10:17 AM
In this country, the plane crash happens as frequent as celebrities divorce...


here we go again...:-(

Indonesia Navy Nomad crashed at east borneo. 5 people died, 4 wounded...

R.I.P....:-(:-(

leeblitz
09-07-2009, 10:46 AM
In this country, the plane crash happens as frequent as celebrities divorce...

haha.....LOL:)

ggk
09-07-2009, 10:53 AM
In this country, the plane crash happens as frequent as celebrities divorce...

you are cold.

Rest in Peace for the fallen.

toukairin
09-07-2009, 12:29 PM
ggk, it is not that master chief is cold... when you see something too much in front of your eyes, even though it's on television, you'll start losing that something inside... maybe sympathy, empathy, i dunno...

same as if you live in a warzone, people dying everyday doesn't struck you as a tragedy again... it's just part of the everyday life.

bambu runcing
09-07-2009, 01:14 PM
he's not cold blooded..... he only say it wouldn't be the last time


you are cold.

Rest in Peace for the fallen.

Ominae
09-07-2009, 03:45 PM
Check this out, Dude :
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/light_combat_vehicles/wolf/wolf.htm

It's a Ford truck.
It would be much wiser if they chosed any Indonesian light APC products.

Thanks MC.

But I was told the Vigor was licensed in Jordan. So yeah...

Aghost
09-07-2009, 07:12 PM
It's not happen twice it is frequent so put it on Guinness book of record with the tittle of "the armed force with the highest frequency of plane crash".

This plane already became a monument in Lamongan city square East Java, so why the other one still fling?
http://www.indosmarin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nomadlamongan.jpg

Master Chief
09-07-2009, 10:58 PM
No, I'm not. I think the weather is hot here.

BTW, from the media today:
1. The misfortunate old plane had 9pax; 6 civilians & only 3 Navy men. 4 lost their lives so far, all civilians (RIP for them). The term of "the fallen" normally is meant for the military personnel, no ? The civilians were normal passengers; they paid tickets which are much cheaper than regular airliners.
2. It was not a real plane crash. The plane actually was trying to emergency land after both engines failed.
3. The top Navy brass kept saying that the plane was in a regular patrol. I'm saying: what the heck a Navy maritime patrol aircraft was doing so far in land far from the seashore with civilians passengers in it ?


you are cold.

Rest in Peace for the fallen.

Master Chief
09-07-2009, 11:13 PM
According to Navy, they have five grounded Nomad available for displaying in your towns. Two are installed already in different towns in Java. One is on the way. Two are available. Interested ?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIALLamongan.jpg


It's not happen twice it is frequent so put it on Guinness book of record with the tittle of "the armed force with the highest frequency of plane crash".

This plane already became a monument in Lamongan city square East Java, so why the other one still fling?
http://www.indosmarin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nomadlamongan.jpg

Master Chief
09-07-2009, 11:50 PM
Some files regarding this TNI-AL's Nomad aircraft:

Flight demo, 2007; anniversary of Navy Aviation in Surabaya. 5 Nomad & 1 Casa. Beautiful, isn't it ?
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL7.jpg

March 2009, Nunukan, landing failure.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL8.jpg

Nomad P-817, Kep Riau. Crashed in May 1987. Evacuated in July 2007; after 20 years under water. The pilot's remain is still unfound.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL6.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL2.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL3.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL4.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Aircrafts/NomadTNIAL5.jpg



It's not happen twice it is frequent so put it on Guinness book of record with the tittle of "the armed force with the highest frequency of plane crash".

This plane already became a monument in Lamongan city square East Java, so why the other one still fling?

bambu runcing
09-08-2009, 12:19 AM
First Time Nomad Crashed inland

Navy Media Relations, Iskandar Sitompul, said, of total 42 Nomad TNI AL had, 23 had been disposed including three that had crashed:
- 1987 in Batam,
- 1988 in South China Sea,
- 2007 in Sabang (Aceh).
All three ditched in water during routine patrol.

The rest 19 still operational though only 8 permitted to fly. The one crashed in Nunukan is among the available 8.... and this is the first time Nomad crashed inland


I bet the one displayed as monument in Lamongan among the disposed
You can hope others Nomad joint the club....



It's not happen twice it is frequent so put it on Guinness book of record with the tittle of "the armed force with the highest frequency of plane crash".

This plane already became a monument in Lamongan city square East Java, so why the other one still fling?
http://www.indosmarin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nomadlamongan.jpg

Ominae
09-08-2009, 04:08 PM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2508/335118770443697dfd6c.jpg

Found another image of the Pistol Serbu. This one (according to the sign) says that the pistol's in 5.56 x 21 during field tests.

Also found photos of a silent mortar according to Pindad in a firing range.

PS: Me homies in the Philippine Air Force still use that plane in the photo above.

Ominae
09-08-2009, 07:02 PM
Apologies if some are reposts.

Some Indonesian-made weapons and equipment. (http://aryadhieva.multiply.com/photos/album/30/Indonesian_Made_Weaponry#)

The SSE Armored's website is dead right now.

Ominae
09-08-2009, 07:40 PM
In the Phillipines, all people love M16; government army, renegade rogue army, lefty guerillas, right-wing guerillas...

Only in the Philippines, the communist guerillas love M16 more than AK47...

MILF did get some AKs years ago from Libya.

Not sure on the NPA. Seen some photos IIRC of NPA fighters having AKs.

ayanami_tard
09-09-2009, 05:35 AM
pistol serbu kal 5.56mm

what?

(my knowledge on handgun cartridge is kinda rusty here)

nomind
09-09-2009, 09:15 AM
RIP to the fallen

karbol
09-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Where are the military or SAR personnel on site ? The crash site seems empty.
And who is this person who got there with a digital camera ?

a reporter/journalist... in this country, journalist always come first...p-)

Ominae
09-09-2009, 11:04 PM
what?

(my knowledge on handgun cartridge is kinda rusty here)

LOL! Yeah I know. Had the same reaction when I had heard of the caliber too. I don't know the capabilities of the 5.56 x 21 though, especially if they're caseless or what.

I posted a flyer of the TNI AD (I think they're the ones who made the prototypes) here in the forum.

PS - Need to know if the Pasopati's ejection port for the bullets is on the right only?

Master Chief
09-10-2009, 06:27 AM
Some file photos of Marines' RM70 Grad from Commando.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar1.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar2.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar4.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar5.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar3.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar6.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar7.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RM70GradKormar8.jpg

The RM70's great-great grandfather, BM14
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/BM14Kormar.jpg