TNI in Gallery (the New Photos)

[karbol]

those drill only useful against Mumbay-like terror attack which include hostage-held scenario. Beside Woyla hijack, Indonesia never experienced such hostage-held terror attack.


we also have hostage situation back in 1996, mapenduma incident...

R.I.P....:-(:-(:-(:-(

[bambu runcing]

ups I forget.... but are those guys who kidnapped laurentz scientist terrorist?
All praise to Kopassus, both hostage crisis ended well


we also have hostage situation back in 1996, mapenduma incident...

R.I.P....:-(:-(:-(:-(

[karbol]

And the common terror attacks in Indonesia is just bombing and bombing targeting foreign citizen. It is almost nothing to do with those drill.... just the lack of decent preventive equipment installed in common terrorist-targeted public area. You canot smell explosive with just a metal detector !!

i agree with u... even a country such britain and spain experience the same thing...

[karbol]

ups I forget.... but are those guys who kidnapped laurentz scientist terrorist?
All praise to Kopassus, both hostage crisis ended well

to me, they are terorist... right now, police already have the suspect. hope they will catch the coward soon...

[abarky]

to me, they are terorist... right now, police already have the suspect. hope they will catch the coward soon...


I agree with u ...n wait to see to POLRI catch them soon

[karbol]

from todays pics..

thx to vaman


Bombs explode at 2 Hotels in Indonesia
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[TheBroncos]

Rest in peace.

Bambu Runcing, who wants to live under such restrictions where every building has metal detector or xray scanner. Or every bag is subject to search. Isn't that what these terrorists want? To scare you into submission where you must sacrifice liberty to live under fear? We learnt through out the world that these security measures do not stop terrorism, aggressive intelligence gathering does. Like you said, Polri or any of the intelligent agencies slacked off on this one.

Live free or die hard baby! Hang those who are responsible!

[ggk]

i just back from jakarta last week....man thats just sureal.

[TheBroncos]

Tell me about it... now I am going to have hell of time to convince wifey and in laws to still come with me in November.

Dumb SOBs.

[DavidDCM]

RIP to the victims


http://i29.tinypic.com/20auolf.jpg

What Brimob unit is this? On one photo we see a guy from Sat 2 Pelopor, but this guy looks like Gegana.

[GreenTea]

RIP to the victims



What Brimob unit is this? On one photo we see a guy from Sat 2 Pelopor, but this guy looks like Gegana.

If I not mistake, only the Gegana are using M4 Carbine rifle in the police force.

[mr. kurien]

i think a saw a pic of POLRI truck or van and written GEGANA on it.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/mrkurien/mainpix3-1.jpg?t=1247905188

here is the pic

[bambu runcing]

I think the most hurt we feel is not just about the victims of the bombing
but the fact that MU canceled their three days tour in Jakarta whilst they still visit and play in Malaysia for one day...,

maybe the lost MU's three days in Indonesia will be subtituted by another MU's days in Malaysia.... why don't they just visit Bali and play there???
beach soccer perhaps???
Bali is not in Indonesia!! Tell Mr Fergie !! Please II

I'm not a soccer fans, but I know the hurt feeling of MU and huge soccer lovers in Indonesia...



Tell me about it... now I am going to have hell of time to convince wifey and in laws to still come with me in November.

Dumb SOBs.

[Tunasa]

I think the most hurt we feel is not just about the victims of the bombing
but the fact that MU canceled their three days tour in Jakarta whilst they still visit and play in Malaysia for one day...,

maybe the lost MU's three days in Indonesia will be subtituted by another MU's days in Malaysia.... why don't they just visit Bali and play there???
beach soccer perhaps???
Bali is not in Indonesia!! Tell Mr Fergie !! Please II

I'm not a soccer fans, but I know the hurt feeling of MU and huge soccer lovers in Indonesia...

Bali isn't in Indonesia??? Isn't that against what we have been trying to promote to the world that Bali is in Indonesia?
I think the fact MU canceled their Indonesian trip, should be the very least of our concern right now. Yes it is a big disappointment that they canceled their Indonesian trip, but come on we have more important things to concern.

How they managed to get into one of the highly secured place in Indonesia? They just released on of the hotel CCTV recording, I think you can find it in Kaskus.

[TheBroncos]

since when Soccer is more valuable than human life? :bash:

[DavidDCM]

the victims wont come back to life if the soccer game is cancelled...


If I not mistake, only the Gegana are using M4 Carbine rifle in the police force.

i think a saw a pic of POLRI truck or van and written GEGANA on it.

thanks mr. kurien and GreenTea for the explanations!

[TheBroncos]

the victims wont come back to life if the soccer game is cancelled...
!

I was referring to the statement: "I think the most hurt we feel is not just about the victims of the bombing
but the fact that MU canceled their three days tour in Jakarta whilst they still visit and play in Malaysia for one day...,."

[DavidDCM]

Oh, didn't read that statement. Fully agree with you, Broncos.

[Wally1967]

Gegana is the Indonesian Police special response unit

Info here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigade_Mobil_(Indonesia)

[bambu runcing]

I know metal detector is enough to make me uncomfortable whenever go to some luxury hotel in Jakarta....

But X-ray scanner is much more convenient so every guest in hotel doesn't have to open their luggage....juts put your luggage in conveyor belt and walk trough metal detector gate.

Without X-ray scanner, security cannot check every luggage. They just check (by open it) the hand bag and backpack, but they let trunk or traveller luggage (koper dengan roda yang ditarik??) come trough without thorough inspection. They just check it with handy metal detector which cannot detect any explosive. Maybe they can detect any detonator (made from metal) or wiring devices but it can easily hidden inside a laptop

Sure not all hotel must be equipped with X-ray scanner
But hot place like JW Marriot and Ritz Carlton full of top level foreign guest must have those kind of equipment. Just like the Pacific Place in SCBD....

As for the soccer.... MU cancellation add more hurt to us
it's like two slaps in a row to our face
just when we already has a situation in ambalat, MU can play in Malaysia but not in Indonesia....





Rest in peace.

Bambu Runcing, who wants to live under such restrictions where every building has metal detector or xray scanner. Or every bag is subject to search. Isn't that what these terrorists want? To scare you into submission where you must sacrifice liberty to live under fear? We learnt through out the world that these security measures do not stop terrorism, aggressive intelligence gathering does. Like you said, Polri or any of the intelligent agencies slacked off on this one.

Live free or die hard baby! Hang those who are responsible!

[Johanus Bau]

Rest in peace.

Bambu Runcing, who wants to live under such restrictions where every building has metal detector or xray scanner. Or every bag is subject to search. Isn't that what these terrorists want? To scare you into submission where you must sacrifice liberty to live under fear? We learnt through out the world that these security measures do not stop terrorism, aggressive intelligence gathering does. Like you said, Polri or any of the intelligent agencies slacked off on this one.

Live free or die hard baby! Hang those who are responsible!

Not every building has to have a scanner or detector, just the main hotels where a lot of VIPs/businessmen/diplomats go for functions and meetings during their stay in Jakarta. After working in the city and using these hotels for meetings, I noticed immediately that the security provided was really only 'for show' and would not stop a suicide bomber from walking into a hotel. The systems in place were only to stop bomb-packed vehicles from being detonated in front of the hotels like the first Marriot bombing. So the simple solution was to take my bule visitors to hotels owned by TNI! he he... safest in town!

What is the point of promoting a country for business when you get blown up during a meeting? A simple X-ray machine manned by skilled operators and a sniffer dog to handle incoming luggage (like at most airports) is a simple and cheap solution for these big hotels.

[TheBroncos]

I completely disagree. No one should live his/her everyday life under such security measure. As if anyone haven't learnt - Terrorist can strike anywhere anytime if it really wants to. There is NO WAY to stop someone to sneak certain item into certain place unless you shut the place down completely.

No x ray nor metal detector etc will deter any terrorism. Not one xray/ metal detector had ever detected any bomb components that I know of. E.G. US embassy bombings happened in some of the most secured places.

Put yourself in the terrorists' shoes. If you about to walk through a hunk chunk of xray/ metal/ bomb sniffing machine and you are lugging a homemade bomb component, would you walk through it? NO. It's easier to find another way in, it's easier to pay someone off to smuggle certain things in etc etc etc. Hence, your best weapon should still be the intelligent agency -- your 2nd best answer would be to preserve the very freedom these scums trying to take away from you - not to restrict our selves w/ check points, metal detectors, etc. As they say, insecurity is a weakness itself.

Just my opinion. :-(

[bambu runcing]

Last year, I often go to Ritz Carlton (both in Mega Kuningan and Pacific Places) and JW Marriott just to meet colleagues or attending seminars. Sure I cannot afford to check in those hotels.....:)
Those two hotels, are the most exclusive hotels in town. Full of expats and foreign businessman.

In JW Marriott, every friday morning there always a meeting called Indonesia Country Program (ICP) held by Castle Asia (from US) attended by the most prominent business leader and CEO (foreign and domestic) in Indonesia.

please check this out:
http://www.castleasia.com/ICPpage/ICP.htm

Castle Asia rent J lounge in JW Marriot and apparently the terrorist blew the bomb just outside the lounge where six people killed, including Mr Tim Mackay, CEO PT Holcim Tbk. The bom in JW Marriot did not explode in Syailendra restaurant....

Yes sure, two hotels were heavily guarded by police (Brimob with AK-101) and tens of security guard. But they don't have X-ray scanner, and as I mention earlier, they do not check all luggages....

If I'm a terrorist, pretending as guest who will check in and bring alot of luggages, I will easily put alot of explosives inside my luggage and pass trough metal detector undetected ..... because the security guys will never open my big luggages.

X-ray scanner (newer model equipped with explosive detector) will deter this kind of explosive smuggling attempt....
If they try, at least the terrorist pretending as guest will looks so nervous when his luggage being scanned....odd behaviour a trained security will easily notice

X-ray scanner is not a panacea to all terror threat, but is a must in Ritz and Marriott hotels



I completely disagree. No one should live his/her everyday life under such security measure. As if anyone haven't learnt - Terrorist can strike anywhere anytime if it really wants to. There is NO WAY to stop someone to sneak certain item into certain place unless you shut the place down completely.

No x ray nor metal detector etc will deter any terrorism. Not one xray/ metal detector had ever detected any bomb components that I know of. E.G. US embassy bombings happened in some of the most secured places.

Put yourself in the terrorists' shoes. If you about to walk through a hunk chunk of xray/ metal/ bomb sniffing machine and you are lugging a homemade bomb component, would you walk through it? NO. It's easier to find another way in, it's easier to pay someone off to smuggle certain things in etc etc etc.

Your best weapon should still be the intelligent agency -- your 2nd best answer would be to preserve the very freedom these scums trying to take away from you - not to restrict our selves w/ check points, metal detectors, etc. As they say, insecurity is a weakness itself.

Just my opinion. :-(

[Johanus Bau]

I completely disagree. No one should live his/her everyday life under such security measure. As if anyone haven't learnt - Terrorist can strike anywhere anytime if it really wants to. There is NO WAY to stop someone to sneak certain item into certain place unless you shut the place down completely.

No x ray nor metal detector etc will deter any terrorism. Not one xray/ metal detector had ever detected any bomb components that I know of. E.G. US embassy bombings happened in some of the most secured places.

Put yourself in the terrorists' shoes. If you about to walk through a hunk chunk of xray/ metal/ bomb sniffing machine and you are lugging a homemade bomb component, would you walk through it? NO. It's easier to find another way in, it's easier to pay someone off to smuggle certain things in etc etc etc. Hence, your best weapon should still be the intelligent agency -- your 2nd best answer would be to preserve the very freedom these scums trying to take away from you - not to restrict our selves w/ check points, metal detectors, etc. As they say, insecurity is a weakness itself.

Just my opinion. :-(

You don't live in Indo anymore right? :) Lucky you...

If you want to depend on this country's intelligence services and legislative advances to prevent these scumbags from killing innocent people without taking supporting precautionary measures, we better get more coffins ready. These two 'best' answers will take time. They don't happen overnight. If your answer is to live life without any precautionary measures, let's get rid of all x-ray scanners and sniffer dogs out of airports and let the terrorists blow up some more planes and buildings. I understand your point but people still need to be protected using whatever means neccessary.

[ZAYYANA]

If I not mistake, only the Gegana are using M4 Carbine rifle in the police force.

They aren't Gegana, They are Den 88 Anti Teror POLRI

[DavidDCM]

Older pictures proof that both Den 88 and Gegana use the M4A1.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Detasemen_Khusus_88_operators.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/0049t6ix.jpg

[TheBroncos]

You don't live in Indo anymore right? :) Lucky you... This says a lot about you.



If you want to depend on this country's intelligence services and legislative advances to prevent these scumbags from killing innocent people without taking supporting precautionary measures, we better get more coffins ready. These two 'best' answers will take time. They don't happen overnight. If your answer is to live life without any precautionary measures, let's get rid of all x-ray scanners and sniffer dogs out of airports and let the terrorists blow up some more planes and buildings. I understand your point but people still need to be protected using whatever means neccessary.

You answered it yourself. To follow your logic, you must erect multiple check points at every malls entrances, hotels, public venues, and so on. You better off invest much less $ in the intelligence. Shot gun approach will not solve this issue.

Here are the facts, you don't have xray/metal detector at the malls or any other public places aside from places that have been attached previously. So we wait for them to attack then counter act by setting up check points. Moreover, that the very same JW Marriott was attacked before got hit again, and they hit it twice as hard (both hotels). This obviously is a strong message.

They couldve hit so many other places with higher casualties and less security w/ ease.

These xray or metal detectors is not precautionary - they are more a counter-act application. I never said anything about reducing airline security, however, since you mentioned it, the very same xray/metal/bomb sniffing dogs in the airport so far has NEVER stopped terrorists from hi-jacking, bomb, nor from flying them into buildings or ground. Intelligent agencies on the other hand have prevented many many incidents (or so they claimed).

[TheBroncos]

Older pictures proof that both Den 88 and Gegana use the M4A1.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Detasemen_Khusus_88_operators.jpg



Looking good. Do you know what sidearms they use?

Thanks

[Johanus Bau]

This says a lot about you.



You answered it yourself. To follow your logic, you must erect multiple check points at every malls entrances, hotels, public venues, and so on. You better off invest much less $ in the intelligence. Shot gun approach will not solve this issue.

Here are the facts, you don't have xray/metal detector at the malls or any other public places aside from places that have been attached previously. So we wait for them to attack then counter act by setting up check points. Moreover, that the very same JW Marriott was attacked before got hit again, and they hit it twice as hard (both hotels). This obviously is a strong message.

They couldve hit so many other places with higher casualties and less security w/ ease.

These xray or metal detectors is not precautionary - they are more a counter-act application. I never said anything about reducing airline security, however, since you mentioned it, the very same xray/metal/bomb sniffing dogs in the airport so far has NEVER stopped terrorists from hi-jacking, bomb, nor from flying them into buildings or ground. Intelligent agencies on the other hand have prevented many many incidents (or so they claimed).

Broncos, how does it feel to be right all the time? he he...No need to get too serious dude. I am gonna avoid further debating this with you because you are probably a subject matter expert. Let's agree to disagree eh Mas...?

I do however apologise if you took offence to my question about whether you are living in Indo. I merely only wanted to know if you had seen the security set-up that was/is in place at these two particular hotels that are frequented by a lot of foreigners and VIPs, you know the usual targets of the bad guys... anyway, hindsight is always handy isn't it?

[garandman]

Looking good. Do you know what sidearms they use?

Thanks

Man, you disappointed me. Look at the grip angle. Only one handgun model in this earth have that grip angle and silhouette.

Glock.

Looking at the grip length ... I'd bet they are full-size glock (17 or 22).

[karbol]

Looking good. Do you know what sidearms they use?

Thanks

formally... Brimob and also densus use Glock series....

[TheBroncos]

My guess would have been XD, garand. But that the 2nd guy in the background clearly carry a full size glock. :) My bad.

J.Bau, It would have felt good actually, but my opinion is not fact. No need to apologize, I wasn't offended or don't get personal in a debate. I have only stayed at the J.W. once, two trips ago for one night for an early morning meeting. I typically stay at our apartment or family house in the area also. The security offended me, same as fully armed TNI running around in the J-town during the election. It shows weakness.

[garandman]

My guess would have been XD, garand. But that the 2nd guy in the background clearly carry a full size glock. :) My bad.



Not even close to being possible. The XD grip angle is much closer to the 1911. And the silhouette looks very different. The XD grip has a straighter end, while the Glock grip flares up more towards the mag well. I am very familiar with both since I cycle them as my carry piece. This past weekend I carried XD45 Compact and XD9 Service model using a Comp-Tac IWB. But last week I carried a G17, G19, and G26 using a BladeTech IWB. Some days I stood there in front of my safe for a few minutes trying to decide which one I want to carry that day. Oh, the XD9 is on duty tonight next to my bed, fitted with a weapon light.

[TheBroncos]

To my eyes, they are.

Blind Layman out! p-)

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3466/xd9g322mn0.jpg

Btw, which mag do you typically carry for the 26? Can you even wrap your 3rd finger around the grip?

G17 is too bulky for ccw, G19 is alright, dont laugh, I like p22 in my cargo pants better.

[karbol]

more pics from police forces...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/bom-meledak41.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/bom-meledak45.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/bom-meledak42.jpg

[DavidDCM]

Too, bad I cannot read the shoulder batches (except for the one Pelopor guy in the center). But I'm pretty sure the guys with M4 are Gegana.

------------
Older photo (April 2008) of police with M4:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z299/lanceropics/abril/610xh.jpg

[Aghost]

Since the police separated from the TNI they have a lot of budget, so they could buy a lot of fancy toys, moreover they got full support from the US government for the counter terrorist training.

Not only the M-4, they own the latest Steyr Aug too..
http://reinhardjambi.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pelabuanratu1.jpg
Credit to Reinhard Jambi blog

I think it's worth with their responsibility for the domestic security, in some situation they have to face the terrorist and the separatist first. As the recent situation in Papua some Police officer (Brimob) were killed and wounded during several Papua rebel attacks.

[garandman]

To my eyes, they are.

Blind Layman out! p-)

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3466/xd9g322mn0.jpg

Btw, which mag do you typically carry for the 26? Can you even wrap your 3rd finger around the grip?

G17 is too bulky for ccw, G19 is alright, dont laugh, I like p22 in my cargo pants better.

Hmmm .... never carried the P22, but it is very thin and light. I should try it someday. But I just don't like the idea of using such a small caliber for potentially serious situation.

I use a baseplate extension that also increases the capacity by 1 round (forgot the maker) for the G26. This allows my pinky finger to wrap around something.

G17 is indeed on the big side. The longer grip makes it more difficult to conceal. But with a good holster you can still make it to disappear pretty well.

[bambu runcing]

I believe they are Brimob
from the boots, were they being prepared for duty in some middle east or African countries?
What is the difference between those guys in brown and grey shirt?

Mr Reinhard, the guy in front left, must have alot body work to do
You're such a lucky guy for not being in military, especially in Navy/Marine Corps. I once heard Admiral Slamet Soebijanto, former Navy chief of Staff (KSAL), give speech before Seskoal graduates in Kebayoran Lama circa 2007. He condemned some Navy officers whose belly overwhelm his pant. You must work out, jogging everyday just like me !! said Mr Slamet





Since the police separated from the TNI they have a lot of budget, so they could buy a lot of fancy toys, moreover they got full support from the US government for the counter terrorist training.

Not only the M-4, they own the latest Steyr Aug too..
http://reinhardjambi.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pelabuanratu1.jpg
Credit to Reinhard Jambi blog

I think it's worth with their responsibility for the domestic security, in some situation they have to face the terrorist and the separatist first. As the recent situation in Papua some Police officer (Brimob) were killed and wounded during several Papua rebel attacks.

[nata4190]

This says a lot about you.



You answered it yourself. To follow your logic, you must erect multiple check points at every malls entrances, hotels, public venues, and so on. You better off invest much less $ in the intelligence. Shot gun approach will not solve this issue.

Here are the facts, you don't have xray/metal detector at the malls or any other public places aside from places that have been attached previously. So we wait for them to attack then counter act by setting up check points. Moreover, that the very same JW Marriott was attacked before got hit again, and they hit it twice as hard (both hotels). This obviously is a strong message.

They couldve hit so many other places with higher casualties and less security w/ ease.

These xray or metal detectors is not precautionary - they are more a counter-act application. I never said anything about reducing airline security, however, since you mentioned it, the very same xray/metal/bomb sniffing dogs in the airport so far has NEVER stopped terrorists from hi-jacking, bomb, nor from flying them into buildings or ground. Intelligent agencies on the other hand have prevented many many incidents (or so they claimed).

Private security revolves around the ideas of deterence, detection, delay, and for some with enough resources, respond. There is absolutely no security in this world that is impenetrable, the name of the game is to get the bad guys to attack somewhere else thats easier to attack. Eventhough on the outside the Marriot and Ritz seem to have a formidable security system in fact it very easy to be defeated. Their bag checking is poor, their vehicle checking is so so, and most importantly, their officers were not trained in behavioral detection.

In order for a security system to work, the concentric elements must integrate seamlesly. Fencing (delay element) for instance serves no use if it is not supported by proper surveillance (detect element). The problem with most places that deploy security measure is that the layers do not support eachother.

Security measures do work and they have stopped terrorist attacks, just because you dont see it on the news, doesnt mean it didnt happen. If a terrorist decides that a place is too hard to attack, then they will pick another spot of equal prominance but with less security. Who knows, they might have reconed other hotels but decided that the other hotels were too difficult to penetrate. We will never know. I recalled an incident a couple of years back where an alert security officer in bandung trainined in surveillance and behavioral detection, approached a lone man sitting in the hotel lobby who was seamingly jotting stuff down on his notebook. The man was apprehended by the on duty police officer and the notebook revealed details of CCTV location, patrol routine and security deployment. By being aware, the Security Officer prevented a major attack from occuring.

Private security can only do so much to protect itself. The point is, let the government take care of the intel collection etc etc, but private establishments must also take necessary precautions to ensure it is well protected.

[DavidDCM]

Question about KorMar:
What is the difference between:
Yontaifib (Batalyon Intai Amfibi)
Yon-IPAM (Batalyon Intai Para Amfib)
Rupanpur (Regu Pandu Tempur)

And what happened to Kesatuan Gurita?

[karbol]

Question about KorMar:
What is the difference between:
Yontaifib (Batalyon Intai Amfibi)
Yon-IPAM (Batalyon Intai Para Amfib)
Rupanpur (Regu Pandu Tempur)

And what happened to Kesatuan Gurita?

Yontaifib and Yon IPAM are same... Yon Ipam is the new name of the YonTaifib...

AFAIK, Rupanpur are more likely combat control team (CMIIW)...

dont know for sure about GURITA...

[Johanus Bau]

Yontaifib and Yon IPAM are same... Yon Ipam is the new name of the YonTaifib...

AFAIK, Rupanpur are more likely combat control team (CMIIW)...

dont know for sure about GURITA...

I thought Yon Taifib is the new name for Yon IPAM? Wah, bingung gue....

[karbol]

I thought Yon Taifib is the new name for Yon IPAM? Wah, bingung gue....

sama bingung... now they change their name back to IPAM... bolak-balik..:roll:

[karbol]

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[DavidDCM]

karbol, johannes bau: Thanks for the explanation!

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More Den 88, August 2004:

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[karbol]

new Indonesian war movie...wootwoot

MERAH PUTIH

pics from: http://www.21cineplex.com/exclusive/merah-putih-di-lawang-sewu,42.htm

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih2.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih3.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih4.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih5.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih6.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih7.jpg

[karbol]

more pics from: http://vanillasmile.multiply.com/photos/album/80/BEHIND_THE_SCENE_MERAH_PUTIH_THE_MOVIE

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp2.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp3.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp4.jpg

[DavidDCM]

I guess it is about the struggle for independence against Dutch colonialists?

[DWG193]

cool... there's something about the European actors there


wouldn't mind watching it!

[karbol]

I guess it is about the struggle for independence against Dutch colonialists?

obviously....

i really like to buy their prop's for airsoft game...:)

[Java Jongen]

new Indonesian war movie...wootwoot

MERAH PUTIH

pics from: http://www.21cineplex.com/exclusive/merah-putih-di-lawang-sewu,42.htm



http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/merahputih2.jpg




ha...ha...ha... Koninklijk Legere and Becak in Indonesian traditional Market

[karbol]

found it on youtube...wootwoot

the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknaeRYCmMU

the gunfight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyx8NtvoZZI

some clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jva8Af5Ba1g

[Carbine_01]

Anyone has pictures New Indonesiean Anoa or VAB at Lebanon ???

[Carbine_01]

More new pictures of indonesian special forces.

tks


karbol, johannes bau: Thanks for the explanation!

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More Den 88, August 2004:

http://www.abload.de/img/00093fb6.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/0010zg82.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/0011pdlh.jpg

[karbol]

Anyone has pictures New Indonesiean Anoa or VAB at Lebanon ???

no ANOA has been sent to lebanon. about the VAB, please use search button..:)

[kecemplunglagi]

Private security revolves around the ideas of deterence, detection, delay, and for some with enough resources, respond. There is absolutely no security in this world that is impenetrable, the name of the game is to get the bad guys to attack somewhere else thats easier to attack. Eventhough on the outside the Marriot and Ritz seem to have a formidable security system in fact it very easy to be defeated. Their bag checking is poor, their vehicle checking is so so, and most importantly, their officers were not trained in behavioral detection.

In order for a security system to work, the concentric elements must integrate seamlesly. Fencing (delay element) for instance serves no use if it is not supported by proper surveillance (detect element). The problem with most places that deploy security measure is that the layers do not support eachother.

Security measures do work and they have stopped terrorist attacks, just because you dont see it on the news, doesnt mean it didnt happen. If a terrorist decides that a place is too hard to attack, then they will pick another spot of equal prominance but with less security. Who knows, they might have reconed other hotels but decided that the other hotels were too difficult to penetrate. We will never know. I recalled an incident a couple of years back where an alert security officer in bandung trainined in surveillance and behavioral detection, approached a lone man sitting in the hotel lobby who was seamingly jotting stuff down on his notebook. The man was apprehended by the on duty police officer and the notebook revealed details of CCTV location, patrol routine and security deployment. By being aware, the Security Officer prevented a major attack from occuring.

Private security can only do so much to protect itself. The point is, let the government take care of the intel collection etc etc, but private establishments must also take necessary precautions to ensure it is well protected.

Nata,

You seem to be very knowledgeable on this matter. Following your explanation I can assume that such security arrangement is nowhere near cheap. And, knowing how much the organization I work for pay our Satpams, I feel nothing but despair.

Anyways, how much will it cost (approx.) to have that security arrangement for a building like Marriot? How long will it take to set up that system? I see you need to train people on behavioral detection and the like. I imagine it'd be easier to recruit ex-military/police, no?

For a 5-star hotel like Marriot, safety should not be a cost but a product, right?

[garandman]

found it on youtube...wootwoot

the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknaeRYCmMU

the gunfight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyx8NtvoZZI

some clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jva8Af5Ba1g

The Garand was used by the Dutch forces during the 1st and 2nd clash. However, the number was small. This movie seems to use Garand as the main issue rifles for the Dutch, at least on the 3 clips posted here.

I'll be interested to know how they make the BFA for the Garand for this movie. Another interesting question is the blank ammo itself. Standard powder used in ball ammo is not usable for blanks since it burns too slow for blank use. So they need a fast burning powder to make the blank. Unless, they use the same powder used for 5.56 blank that Pindad makes.

[karbol]

The Garand was used by the Dutch forces during the 1st and 2nd clash. However, the number was small. This movie seems to use Garand as the main issue rifles for the Dutch, at least on the 3 clips posted here.

I'll be interested to know how they make the BFA for the Garand for this movie. Another interesting question is the blank ammo itself. Standard powder used in ball ammo is not usable for blanks since it burns too slow for blank use. So they need a fast burning powder to make the blank. Unless, they use the same powder used for 5.56 blank that Pindad makes.

from what i read koran tempo, lot of the props were borowed from TNI, especially the riffle. then they modify the riffle, so it can shot these days ammo such as 5,56 and 7,62...

ada yang mau nonton bareng? :)

[garandman]

from what i read koran tempo, lot of the props were borowed from TNI, especially the riffle. then they modify the riffle, so it can shot these days ammo such as 5,56 and 7,62...

ada yang mau nonton bareng? :)


MODIFIY ?????????????
Permanently or not????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they modify those rifles permanently .... they are IDIOTS!!

You cannot shoot 5.56 out of a 30.06 chamber because: 1) the bolt face will be too big (extractor will not bite the brass), and 2) or the chamber size is too large (making inserts would be hard to do since you need to reduce the diameter of the chamber as well).

The next best bet would be to use 7.62x51 blank.
You can use the original bolt since the case head of both 30.06 and 7.62x51 brass are almost identical. But you must make a chamber insert to reduce the chamber length. The US Navy did this back in the 1950s. They put the insert in place and remove it using the broken shell extractor tool. However, chamber insert is not safe to use with live rounds since it may accidentally removed during the firing. But with blanks I suppose it is alright.

One more thing ... 30.06 brass is more tapered towards the case shoulder, while the 7.62x51 is more straight. So feeding a 7.62x51 to a 30.06 chamber will be more difficult. You can fix this by resizing the 7.62x51 blank using 30.06 full-length resizing die (usually used for reloading), but remove the decapping pin (to remove the old primer) since we do not wish to remove the current primer.

They still need BFA installed at the muzzle. The favorite BFA for movie making is the one installed inside the muzzle. So you thread the muzzle interior and the BFA would screw right in. Or you can create a BFA that is screwed on the external thread normally used for the gas cylinder lock (this is a part that looks like figure '8'). The internally mounted BFA method will destroy the barrel (since internal threads need to be created inside the muzzle).

I did several years of WW2 reenacting using the Garand. I made my own blanks and have used both 30.06 and 7.62x51 blanks.

****, I hope (pray), that no Garand got destroyed unnecessarily just for the sake of making this movie.

[raja naoum]

Anyone has pictures New Indonesiean Anoa or VAB at Lebanon ???
Here you go, check in this thread, not sure if there is:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156121&highlight=UNIFIL

[Carbine_01]

Thanks a lot Raja naoum.. thats treath look nice and rahter completed



Here you go, check in this thread, not sure if there is:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156121&highlight=UNIFIL

[bambu runcing]

During independence war TNI use SMLE in great numbers, you can see them in one photo of Merah Putih movie, the photo showing five cadets wear brown unifrom while sitting and chating and the SMLE in the background

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/RTO/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-4.jpgfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/RTO/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-5.jpgI once saw photograph showing Dutch troops carry SMLE and I believe they were issued as the main rifle

AFAIK, Garand was used by TNI after 1949, after Dutch recognize Indonesia's independence

Since SMLE using British .303 (7.7x56) which feature straight case just like in 7.62 NATO, I think it will be more easier to use SMLE than Garand if we intend to use 7.62 blank round.

But maybe because the special effect expert was from Hollywood, they are more accustomed to Garand than SMLE... They were involved in 'Saving Private Ryan' movie using alot-lot of Garand

Tempo also said they modified an old machine gun usually placed on the jeep to receive lower calibre bullet. And from the photos, it looks like Browning 1919 .... they use Garand ammo. I wonder how is the conversion? Did they convert it to receive 7.62 NATO ??




from what i read koran tempo, lot of the props were borowed from TNI, especially the riffle. then they modify the riffle, so it can shot these days ammo such as 5,56 and 7,62...

ada yang mau nonton bareng? :)

[garandman]

During independence war TNI use SMLE in great numbers, you can see them in one photo of Merah Putih movie, the photo showing five cadets wear brown unifrom while sitting and chating and the SMLE in the background

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/RTO/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-4.jpgfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/RTO/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-5.jpgI once saw photograph showing Dutch troops carry SMLE and I believe they were issued as the main rifle

AFAIK, Garand was used by TNI after 1949, after Dutch recognize Indonesia's independence

Since SMLE using British .303 (7.7x56) which feature straight case just like in 7.62 NATO, I think it will be more easier to use SMLE than Garand if we intend to use 7.62 blank round.

But maybe because the special effect expert was from Hollywood, they are more accustomed to Garand than SMLE... They were involved in 'Saving Private Ryan' movie using alot-lot of Garand

Tempo also said they modified an old machine gun usually placed on the jeep to receive lower calibre bullet. And from the photos, it looks like Browning 1919 .... they use Garand ammo. I wonder how is the conversion? Did they convert it to receive 7.62 NATO ??

I know a guy whose father fought in the Indonesian revolutionary war with the Ronggolawe Division. He is an amateur historian with impressive collection of books and other historical record of the era. He also has (or had since many of whom had passed) wide access to many eye witnesses of the period esp. those who fought alongside his father.

I remember he explained that the Dutch forces were equipped mainly with British weapons (LE, Bren and sten) with some American weapons thrown in the mix (Thompson, M1919, Grease gun). Some Garands were used by the Dutch forces as well, but their number was small. Perhaps Toukairin could help me ..... didn't Ronggolawe troops ambush some Dutch troops and got away with a few Garands?

The Garand used by TNI were mainly Italian made (by Beretta (PB) and Breda (BR)). During WW2 WInchester was contracted to make Garands to augment the production capacity of Springfield Armory. After the war, Winchester's machineries were dismantled and sold to the Italians (with permission from US. Gov.). So Italian Garands are pretty much compatible with US made ones. TNI purchased the Garands from Italy towards the end of 1950s. I could say this because during the operation against PRRI-Permesta in 1957-58, RPKAD and other Army troops carried the FN49. I was told by my father in law that some of those FN49 were borrowed from the Indonesian Navy. Why FN49? Because they were the newest semi-auto battle rifle Indonesia had at the time that was available in fairly large numbers (IIRC, Indonesia bought about 15,000 FN49 in 30.06). So, the Garand must not have been available during these operations. Otherwise, the RPKAD would have carried the Garand rather than borrowing rifles from the Navy. So, this put the timeline of the Garand arrival in TNI armory to late 1950s to early 1960s. I also recall that Indonesia purchased 4 Italian made corvettes (Pattimura class) in 1959. So the Garand purchase could be part of that arms transaction.

The British 303 used in SMLE uses rimmed casing, while the 7.62x51 and 30.06 use rim-less casing. So the answer is NO. The 303 is not straight at all. It is tapered even more than the 30.06. It is a rimmed casing, so the headspace is controlled by the rim of the casing, not by the shoulder of the casing. In fact, come to think of it, the 303 has very little shoulder. I am quite familiar with the Enfields and 303 since I collect and shoot them too. I have No. 1 MK III (from UK and India), No. 4 MK1, No. 4 MK2, and a rare No. 5. MK1 a.k.a. the Jungle carbine. The enfields shown in the background of that movie clip is No. 4 MK1, but you could use a No. 4 MK2 because they look similar externally. You need to remove the stock to tell the difference, or have a close look at the rear sight system. But rear sight can be replaced .... however, a trigger design cannot (MK1's trigger is mounted on the stock, while the MK2's trigger is mounted on the receiver).

You can convert an M1919 to 7.62x51. You need a new barrel. I know some guys who own semi-auto version of M1919 in 308 they they used for WW2 reenactment. I also know a guy who shoots 8mm Mauser out of his NFA registered M1919. He said he could switch the caliber by changing the barrel.

[bambu runcing]

thanx garandman... quiet informative, we can also call you SMLE-man ... :)
It answer as to why they prefer Garand than SMLE
I guess they just rechambering Garand to 7.62 NATO, maybe using BM-59 parts (Pindad SP-2)....


Well, maybe a good movie. But as I'm so concern about the historic value, it will bother me alot while watching in cinema ....

I hope the next independence war movie could bring SMLE back to life....just like the old days movie like Janur Kuning where we can see odd guns like Owen SMG


BTW,
anyone has any info about Mauser K-98 history in Indonesia??
Did the Dutch also deploy them for sniper role?
I once read a history about a bolt action rifle most feared by TNI during independence war. They can hear the cocking handle sound from faraway as an alert that some one will get shot....



I know a guy whose father fought in the Indonesian revolutionary war with the Ronggolawe Division. He is an amateur historian with impressive collection of books and other historical record of the era. He also has (or had since many of whom had passed) wide access to many eye witnesses of the period esp. those who fought alongside his father.

I remember he explained that the Dutch forces were equipped mainly with British weapons (LE, Bren and sten) with some American weapons thrown in the mix (Thompson, M1919, Grease gun). Some Garands were used by the Dutch forces as well, but their number was small. Perhaps Toukairin could help me ..... didn't Ronggolawe troops ambush some Dutch troops and got away with a few Garands?

The Garand used by TNI were mainly Italian made (by Beretta (PB) and Breda (BR)). During WW2 WInchester was contracted to make Garands to augment the production capacity of Springfield Armory. After the war, Winchester's machineries were dismantled and sold to the Italians (with permission from US. Gov.). So Italian Garands are pretty much compatible with US made ones. TNI purchased the Garands from Italy towards the end of 1950s. I could say this because during the operation against PRRI-Permesta in 1957-58, RPKAD and other Army troops carried the FN49. I was told by my father in law that some of those FN49 were borrowed from the Indonesian Navy. Why FN49? Because they were the newest semi-auto battle rifle Indonesia had at the time that was available in fairly large numbers (IIRC, Indonesia bought about 15,000 FN49 in 30.06). So, the Garand must not have been available during these operations. Otherwise, the RPKAD would have carried the Garand rather than borrowing rifles from the Navy. So, this put the timeline of the Garand arrival in TNI armory to late 1950s to early 1960s. I also recall that Indonesia purchased 4 Italian made corvettes (Pattimura class) in 1959. So the Garand purchase could be part of that arms transaction.

The British 303 used in SMLE uses rimmed casing, while the 7.62x51 and 30.06 use rim-less casing. So the answer is NO. The 303 is not straight at all. It is tapered even more than the 30.06. It is a rimmed casing, so the headspace is controlled by the rim of the casing, not by the shoulder of the casing. In fact, come to think of it, the 303 has very little shoulder. I am quite familiar with the Enfields and 303 since I collect and shoot them too. I have No. 1 MK III (from UK and India), No. 4 MK1, No. 4 MK2, and a rare No. 5. MK1 a.k.a. the Jungle carbine. The enfields shown in the background of that movie clip is No. 4 MK1, but you could use a No. 4 MK2 because they look similar externally. You need to remove the stock to tell the difference, or have a close look at the rear sight system. But rear sight can be replaced .... however, a trigger design cannot (MK1's trigger is mounted on the stock, while the MK2's trigger is mounted on the receiver).

You can convert an M1919 to 7.62x51. You need a new barrel. I know some guys who own semi-auto version of M1919 in 308 they they used for WW2 reenactment. I also know a guy who shoots 8mm Mauser out of his NFA registered M1919. He said he could switch the caliber by changing the barrel.

[karbol]

Indonesian sub procurements face delays

24 Jul 2009

The Indonesian Navy's plan to procure at least two diesel electric submarines may be delayed by continuing negotiations with potential vendors focused on meeting demanding technical requirements, a source involved in the acquisition told Jane's on 9 July.The Indonesian-based source confirmed that the request for proposals has been sent to contractors in South Korea, Russia, Germany and France, but that the vendors had been initially deterred by Indonesia's requirement for a boat with high technical specifications and the transfer of a "very high level of technologies".


source: http://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/indonesian-sub-procurements-face-delays



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note the very high technology...?

[gungho]

am I not surprised?? how 'high' is the technology demanded by TNI anyway?

[karbol]

highest one but with lowest price...:roll:

hmmm.... maybe the sent orang minang to deal for the sub's...rofl

[karbol]

another kopassus vid..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLS4Aqf3wLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYQOy1FvzWE

[bangalore_andy]

more pics from: http://vanillasmile.multiply.com/photos/album/80/BEHIND_THE_SCENE_MERAH_PUTIH_THE_MOVIE

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp2.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp3.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/mp4.jpg
I beg your pardon sir, in the first picture, on the foreground, is that isuzu truck ???,

[bangalore_andy]

to Mr. karbol....in the fist picture, is that Isuzu 1w truck isnt it?, it's make me fell sad about our film maker or film research, i beg you pardon about my poor english

[karbol]

^^^hehehe... i'm not sure, those pics are not mine... but i think you right. those are not WW2 truck...

[garandman]

Those rifles leaning against the wall in the background of the last photo ..... I guess they tried to pass them as No. 4 MK I Enfields. But I bet my Glock that those are replicas .... and poorly constructed one at that. Here is what I could see from the photo:

1. The barrel section beyond the front sight is too long.
2. The rifle is too short (overall).
3. The magazine is shaped wrong and too short. The Enfield magazine is detachable and located right in front of the trigger guard. But the magazine and trigger guard are not an integral part as they appear to be in the photo.
4. The stock is wrong. Enfield stock is a two piece deal ..... the buttstock is an individual unit attached to the receiver. Unlike the Mauser where you have a one-piece stock + handguards. The rifles in the photo uses a one-piece stock.

If they could borrow Garand from TNI, why not borrowing the Enfield as well? AFAIK, TNI had a lot of Enfields .... unless they have been melted or sold off. Shame .... old rifles are needed if to support the "rakyat semesta" defensive doctrine. You try to make up your inferiority in technology and quality of hardware by shear numbers.

[bambu runcing]

you damn right Mr Garandman !!
those SMLE-likes rifle are too short/small and very likely just replicas
the magazine is like Mosin Nagant's
maybe they asked Cipacing (senapan angin maker in Sumedang) to build them....:)



Those rifles leaning against the wall in the background of the last photo ..... I guess they tried to pass them as No. 4 MK I Enfields. But I bet my Glock that those are replicas .... and poorly constructed one at that. Here is what I could see from the photo:

1. The barrel section beyond the front sight is too long.
2. The rifle is too short (overall).
3. The magazine is shaped wrong and too short. The Enfield magazine is detachable and located right in front of the trigger guard. But the magazine and trigger guard are not an integral part as they appear to be in the photo.
4. The stock is wrong. Enfield stock is a two piece deal ..... the buttstock is an individual unit attached to the receiver. Unlike the Mauser where you have a one-piece stock + handguards. The rifles in the photo uses a one-piece stock.

If they could borrow Garand from TNI, why not borrowing the Enfield as well? AFAIK, TNI had a lot of Enfields .... unless they have been melted or sold off. Shame .... old rifles are needed if to support the "rakyat semesta" defensive doctrine. You try to make up your inferiority in technology and quality of hardware by shear numbers.

[karbol]

since you guys are very interesting on those movie, specially the weapon (riffle, guns, etc), here are some pics about it...

please id the riffle/guns on the pics..:)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-6259-small.jpg

ga boleh neh!! you dont point a gun on someone else!:bash:
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1433338-5116.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0086.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1514866-1777577.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/Benjamin-Armories-Coordinator.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0453.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG00644.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-5706-small.jpg

[gungho]

ah... I see a mate of mine on those pics hehehe.... I really ought to ask him to get me a sten gun & a machine gun from there...

[gungho]

highest one but with lowest price...:roll:

hmmm.... maybe the sent orang minang to deal for the sub's...rofl

roflroflroflroflroflrofl

[bambu runcing]

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-6259-small.jpg
Looks like Japanese MG in Thin Red Lines movie... Type 92 MG uses Hotchkiss-type metal feed strips


http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1433338-5116.jpg
no cocking handle (gerendel).....a fake SMLE No 4 Mk I?? The wood body smell newly furnished ....

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0086.jpg
Real SMLE (Lee Enfield) Mk III, no prolonged muzzle beyond front sight. This must be from some TNI's museum ....

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1514866-1777577.jpg
Lukman Sardi wearing surjan (javanese shirt) handling Tommy Gun, someone sitting infront hold a 'Sampoerna A Mild' ready for target practise, and Lee Enfield chick to the left...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/Benjamin-Armories-Coordinator.jpg
Clearly BREN Mk (M5?) III stamped on the receiver .... Garandman, what calibre are the bullet?? the old British .303 (7.7x56 mm) ?? seems not a 7.62 NATO...


http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0453.jpg
US Grease gun ??

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG00644.jpg
S&W Model 76 ??? ups, wrong....Carl Gustaf Kpist M/45

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-5706-small.jpg
SMLE ?? and Garand. No, DoN't !!

[garandman]

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-6259-small.jpg
Looks like Japanese MG in Thin Red Lines movie... Type 92 MG uses Hotchkiss-type metal feed strips

From the muzzle brake, it looks like a 45 ACP M1928A1 Thompson SMG.

The machine gun looks like Japanese Type 3 Heavy MG in 6.5x50mm. But the ammo in the feed strip does not look like a 6.5x50mm (the bullet is too short and the casing is too long). Perhaps this MG has been modified to feed on modern caliber ammo? Or, this is a type 92 MG, which is simply a 7.7x58mm version of Type 3. Japanese 7.7mm ammo comes in three flavors ... rimless, semi-rimmed, and rimmed. The rimmed variant (a.k.a. the Navy 7.7mm) is derived directly from the British .303 used in the Enfield and Bren gun.

On the foreground ... of course .... the US Rifle .30 caliber M1.




http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1433338-5116.jpg
no cocking handle (gerendel).....a fake SMLE No 4 Mk I?? The wood body smell newly furnished ....
Yup, no bolt, definitely a replica .... but a very poorly designed replica with no resemblance whatsoever to any military rifle of the period. Poor muzzle discipline too.



http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0086.jpg
Real SMLE (Lee Enfield) Mk III, no prolonged muzzle beyond front sight. This must be from some TNI's museum ....Yep. It is a No. 1 MK III Short Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE). You can distinguish a No. 1 MK III from its younger sibling the No. 4 MK I and II, aside from the muzzle profile, also from the receiver and rear sight. The No. 4 uses aperture type rear sight mounted on the receiver, behind the breech and bolt. The No. 1 MK III still uses the notch sight mounted on the barrel in front of the breech. The British actually wanted aperture type sight all the way back to WW1. This is shown in their Pattern 14 (P14) design (mass produced by American companies, Remington, Eddystone (Remington subsidiary), and Winchester, from 1914-1917. The American then copied the design and called it US M1917 rifle (or P17) in 30.06 (P14 was in .303) when the US entered WW1 in 1917 and found themselves short of M1903 rifles and could not increase their production capacity fast enough.). Due to the military down-sizing during the inter-war period, the British did not replace the No. 1 MK III as their main battle rifle. However, as WW2 loomed around the corner, the British finally released the No. 4 MK 1 rifle in 1939 that incorporated the sight system from the P14. But the rifle was not officially adopted until 1941, about 2 years into the war. Sorry ... I get easily side-tracked when talking about military rifle history. :oops:




http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/n673988866-1514866-1777577.jpg
Lukman Sardi wearing surjan (javanese shirt) handling Tommy Gun, someone sitting infront hold a 'Sampoerna A Mild' ready for target practise, and Lee Enfield chick to the left...
More SMLE and Thompson.



http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/Benjamin-Armories-Coordinator.jpg
Clearly BREN Mk (M5?) III stamped on the receiver .... Garandman, what calibre are the bullet?? the old British .303 (7.7x56 mm) ?? seems not a 7.62 NATO...
The Bren originally chambered for British .303, but in late 1950s, the British moved to 7.62x51 as their standard caliber, so the Bren were re-designed with new barrel and new magazine to shoot 7.62x51 (which is what we see in the photo above). The 7.62 NATO variant of the Bren is called the L4, and its magazine is less curvy compared to the original magazine for .303. Did TNI also convert their Bren to 7.62 NATO?




http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-0453.jpg
US Grease gun ??Yup. US M3 Grease gun in 45 ACP. Notice that this variant still has the cocking handle, which later was eliminated from the M3A1 variant to simplify production even further. In M3A1 you must stick your finger into the recess machined in the bolt when you want to charge the gun. I wonder how hot the bolt gets after firing ... you may get your finger scalded when charging it in this condition.




http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG00644.jpg
S&W Model 76 ??? ups, wrong....Carl Gustaf Kpist M/45 Ahhh .... the structure is so Indonesian .... with a very sweet smile .... oh wait ... dang ... we are talking about guns aren't we?? :bash:
CMIIW, I think the M/45 is a post-WW2 era gun. And TNI acquired it much later after the end of the independence war. So, I don't believe the M/45 was used during the war against the Dutch in 1945-49. Thus it would be historically inaccurate to employ this gun in the movie.




http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/IMG-5706-small.jpg
SMLE ?? and Garand. No, DoN't !!The first two on the left both carry M1 Garand. Just look at the muzzle, front and rear sight profiles. The one in the far right *might* also carry a Garand based on the shape of the buttstock. But I am not 100% certain.

[the_13th_redneck]

So is it a good movie?

[garandman]

So is it a good movie?

I have noticed quite a bit of historical inaccuracies in the equipments and weapons just from a few photos or video clips. Would I watch it? Probably not, because I would end up grumbling about those inaccuracies throughout the show.

I'll watch an Indonesian war movie once the authenticity and accuracy of the equipments and weapons used is on comparable (or higher) to that of the Band of Brothers series. Or, is my standard too high? This is the curse of being a shooter, gun collector, and amateur historian all at once. :-(

[Johanus Bau]

I have noticed quite a bit of historical inaccuracies in the equipments and weapons just from a few photos or video clips. Would I watch it? Probably not, because I would end up grumbling about those inaccuracies throughout the show.

I'll watch an Indonesian war movie once the authenticity and accuracy of the equipments and weapons used is on comparable (or higher) to that of the Band of Brothers series. Or, is my standard too high? This is the curse of being a shooter, gun collector, and amateur historian all at once. :-(

You better wait another ten years at least before Indonesia produces something as awesome as Band of Brothers!

[Johanus Bau]

highest one but with lowest price...:roll:

hmmm.... maybe the sent orang minang to deal for the sub's...rofl

Ha ha ha ha ha... :)

[bambu runcing]

Mr Garandman....
talking about historic weapon accuracy, you don't have to wait kind of future Indonesian's 'Band of Brothers' movie.

Just watch old Indonesian war movie such as Janur Kuning (Young Coconut Leaf--1979), Serangan Fajar (Attack at Dawn--1982) very popular for picturing a little boy called Temon running along the railway looking for his father who killed in a battle the night before....(if my memory not failing me)

But the most original will be 'Enam Djam di Djokdja' (Six Hours in Yogyakarta--made in 1951 !!). I don't know if the title is inspired by MGM 1944 movie, '30 Seconds Over Tokyo' depicting B-25 Doolittle raid on Japanese capital in April 1942.
Not only the weaponry, but the scenery still the same as the time setting of the movie....

I still appraise two latter movie for their story telling.
Did anyone have an original copy of these film???

Movie is not just about a special effect just like most Hollywood boring movie (Transformer, Star Trek, etc etc). For me, the story is more important as it give you deep impressions after leaving cinema and still intact on your mind days later...
If Merah Putih just sells action and special effects (that we already know there are so many historic inaccuracies).... it only make us misuh-misuh after leaving cinema.

If that the case, I will shout like these ...
''Hashim Djojohadikusumo should have had Salman Aristo for the script and Riri Riza for the director !!'' :fork:





I have noticed quite a bit of historical inaccuracies in the equipments and weapons just from a few photos or video clips. Would I watch it? Probably not, because I would end up grumbling about those inaccuracies throughout the show.

I'll watch an Indonesian war movie once the authenticity and accuracy of the equipments and weapons used is on comparable (or higher) to that of the Band of Brothers series. Or, is my standard too high? This is the curse of being a shooter, gun collector, and amateur historian all at once. :-(

[karbol]

i just got Behind the scene of Merah Putih movie... the duration is about 20 minute. have to edited it first, and upload it to youtube... meanwhile, this are their press release...









HOLLYWOOD MEETS INDONESIA: BEHIND THE SCENES


OF THE BIGGEST WAR DRAMA IN NATION’S HISTORY





PT Media Desa, Margate House and All-Star Cast


Unveil Half-Hour Video On “The Making Of MERAH PUTIH”

Jakarta, July 23rd 2009 – From XXI Club Djakarta Theater on Thursday, MERAH PUTIH’s team of producers, director and cast screened a half-hour “Making Of” video that took journalists behind the scenes of the successful collaboration between Indonesia’s leading film talent and top Hollywood special-effects to make the biggest film trilogy in Indonesia’s history. Jeremy Stewart, one of the executive producers of MERAH PUTIH, the much-anticipated first film of the Freedom Trilogy, today said, “We have been working on this project for more than two years, shooting on 35-millimeter film for four months in very difficult conditions at the height of the rainy season in Central Java, Semarang, Yogyakarta, Depok and throughout Indonesia, and we brought to Indonesia a stellar international team of technical experts from Hollywood films like SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and BLACKHAWK DOWN to work hand in hand with the leading lights of Indonesian cinema, including an all-star cast of the country’s top young film actors: Lukman Sardi, Darius Sinathrya, Donny Alamsyah, Zumi Zola, T Rifnu Wikana, Rahayu Saraswati (Sara), and Astri Nurdin.”

Stewart added, “Since this is certainly the most ambitious war drama and perhaps the biggest film production ever tackled in Indonesia, we thought this historic collaboration was worth chronicling from behind the camera, so we engaged a separate team under the talented direction of Adrien (NAME) to film a ‘Making-Of’ video on HD, so that we could involve the public from the start in this important national event.”

MERAH PUTIH brought some of Hollywood’s best-known experts in action films, war movies and special effects to the mountains and jungles of Java to film this first of its planned three-film “Freedom Trilogy.” Adam Howarth, the British special effects guru whose previous films include SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, BLACKHAWK DOWN, and HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER’S STONE, amazed all Indonesian crew and cast with his wizardry. “I thought sound of the gun fire and the blasts would be small, but it was not at all! It was so big!!” Rifnu Wikana says in the video. “We could feel the heat of the fire, but it was all very safe,” adds Lukman Sardi. “His safety standard is very high. After a blast, he forbids anyone to enter the set. He himself checked on everything and until he is convinced that it is clear and safe, then he would allow others to come to the set,” says Donny Alamsyah. Besides Adam, three other Hollywood experts were the film’s Action Director, veteran English-born stunt supervisor Rocky McDonald (MISSION IMPOSSIBLE II, THE QUIET AMERICAN), Make-Up and Visual Effects Artist Rob Trenton of London (BATMAN - THE DARK KNIGHT), and Key Armorer John Bowring, an Australian who has handled weapons for films in Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, Japan and throughout the world (THE MATRIX, THE THIN RED LINE, AUSTRALIA, X-MEN ORIGINS:WOLVERINE).

Matching the skill and talents of Hollywood were top Indonesian filmmakers, including Yadi Sugandi as the director, Iri Supit as the head of art department, Sastha Sunu as editor, and Thoersi Argeswara as music director. “This film has a great production value, it was not made in a rush, because making a war drama movie is such a big job. For example, one scene about this band of guerrilla attacking Dutch convoy in a bridge took six days of shooting with hundreds of shots because it involves gunfights and several blasts. We need to make each shot exactly right,” explained director Yadi Sugandi. Every department needed thoroughly and detailed preparation and execution, since the producers demanded that MERAH PUTIH have absolute authenticity in terms of history, action and Indonesian culture. “We needed to be very careful when making a movie with certain historical background. We needed to know how people dressed, what material existed at that time. For example, during those days in the late 1940’s, plastic has not been discovered yet. Therefore in this movie, you will not see anything at all made by plastic,” explained Iris Supit. “Artistic department did tremendous job for the setting, wardrobe, and properties. I thank Mr. Iri Supit for his great contribution, his meticulous and perfect job. Besides his great talent, skill and knowledge of the era, I think his experience of living in that era also contributes a lot on his great job. It is such a great experience working with him because we were complementing each other,” said Yadi.

Preparation for the cast also was taken seriously. Producers insisted that the cast enter military boot camp, where they were trained as if they are true military cadets. The daily training consisted of marching, gruelling physical training, how to use many kind of weapons, even the reading of Pancasila, the national ideology.

“Every morning we were woken up by sound of the gun shot, as if it were next to our ears,” said Lukman. “Experiencing the training, I grew great respect for the military, men and women, whose training must be very much harder,” said Sara. “It was such a serious training. This (the idea of the producers to put the cast through boot camp) was such a crazy yet great idea to create the bond among us, the bond of the band and I think it works very well in the film,” said Rifnu.

In the video, the cast expresses their personal pride at being part of this historic production. “This movie is a reminder for all of us to the reason why we become Indonesia at the beginning,” said Sara. “I hope this movie can trigger the spirit for the young generation to love this country and to make our Indonesia better,” added Rifnu. “I hope this movie can be like a mirror, that our foundation is in fact differences. So, let’s now not becoming divided, we need to become one,” said Darius. “This movie is a tribute for our heroes, it shows about their sacrifice, how they defend this country to their death. What they did in the past, is the example to the new generation of Indonesian that we need to do something for our country,” said Yadi.

MERAH PUTIH will be released national wide in theatre starting August 13th, 2009 at theatre networks of 21 and Blitzmegaplex. The film’s website and trailer can be viewed at www.filmmerahputih.com.

Contact publicist:
ipublicist@gmail.com
Ade Kusumaningrum – 0813 19349157
Bonnie – 0818 735075

[ZAYYANA]

Is there a movie that Indonesian movie maker create n telling about the story of "Operasi Seroja", "Operasi Trikora" or probably "Operasi Dwikora" with modern effect. It can compared with "Saving Private Ryan", "Band of Brothers" n others Hollywood movies.

It can motivated our youth to more loving their own country.

[bambu runcing]

I don't think movie about Seroja, DwiKora and TriKora can be compared to something like Saving Private Ryan which has less historic controversy. It will likely be compared to Vietnam War movie....

But I like controversy.... how about movie about PRRI/Permesta rebellion? I think it will be good topics for a movie about nationalism.... it will give us more complete dialogue about what is nationalism in a young nation who still looking for its national identity and character.

Because I think PRRI/Permesta and TNI who fought each other are both nationalist....in a different way



Is there a movie that Indonesian movie maker create n telling about the story of "Operasi Seroja", "Operasi Trikora" or probably "Operasi Dwikora" with modern effect. It can compared with "Saving Private Ryan", "Band of Brothers" n others Hollywood movies.

It can motivated our youth to more loving their own country.

[ZAYYANA]

I don't think movie about Seroja, DwiKora and TriKora can be compared to something like Saving Private Ryan which has less historic controversy. It will likely be compared to Vietnam War movie....

But I like controversy.... how about movie about PRRI/Permesta rebellion? I think it will be good topics for a movie about nationalism.... it will give us more complete dialogue about what is nationalism in a young nation who still looking for its national identity and character.

Because I think PRRI/Permesta and TNI who fought each other are both nationalist....in a different way

Cool.... yeah, maybe we can compare it with Vietnam war movie.

As you people know that Australian also make their own version about "Indonesian Invasion" to East Timor, the movie name ia ... Balibo... it's really blaming Indonesia. so what about the Indonesian.... do you wanna to keep silent n not responded...

[Tunasa]

As you people know that Australian also make their own version about "Indonesian Invasion" to East Timor, the movie name ia ... Balibo... it's really blaming Indonesia. so what about the Indonesian.... do you wanna to keep silent n not responded...

The movie is about the journalists who were killed in the crossfire at Balibo. Some people believe that they were tortured by the Indonesian forces and both Indonesian and Australian government tried to cover it up.

That conspiracy type of movie is quite common around the world, even in Indonesia.

[Tunasa]

Is there a movie that Indonesian movie maker create n telling about the story of "Operasi Seroja", "Operasi Trikora" or probably "Operasi Dwikora" with modern effect. It can compared with "Saving Private Ryan", "Band of Brothers" n others Hollywood movies.

It can motivated our youth to more loving their own country.

Don't we have a mini series about "Serangan Umum/Jendral Sudirman" in the 90s? I thought that was quite good.

[toukairin]

Those rifles leaning against the wall in the background of the last photo ..... I guess they tried to pass them as No. 4 MK I Enfields. But I bet my Glock that those are replicas .... and poorly constructed one at that. Here is what I could see from the photo:

1. The barrel section beyond the front sight is too long.
2. The rifle is too short (overall).
3. The magazine is shaped wrong and too short. The Enfield magazine is detachable and located right in front of the trigger guard. But the magazine and trigger guard are not an integral part as they appear to be in the photo.
4. The stock is wrong. Enfield stock is a two piece deal ..... the buttstock is an individual unit attached to the receiver. Unlike the Mauser where you have a one-piece stock + handguards. The rifles in the photo uses a one-piece stock.

If they could borrow Garand from TNI, why not borrowing the Enfield as well? AFAIK, TNI had a lot of Enfields .... unless they have been melted or sold off. Shame .... old rifles are needed if to support the "rakyat semesta" defensive doctrine. You try to make up your inferiority in technology and quality of hardware by shear numbers.

About the ronggolawe, i'd have to ask one of my friends first... Didn't remember the details..

I'll definitely watch the movie, the question is, who should I ask to go with to the movie... it'd better be a single, beautiful girl in her teens or early 20s, who's knowledgeable about military history... wait, there's no such person? GODDAMNIT! :fork:

rakyat semesta? sir, pindad don't produce any "vintage" ammo anymore... so basically we're butt-f*cked if you're talking about the possibility of the civilians converting themselves into militias in the time of war... more likely to be equipped with bambu runcing and shoved to the front to become cannon fodder.

just like the slogan "TNI BENTENG TERAKHIR BANGSA" --> implisit : RAKYAT TAK BERSENJATA BENTENG PERTAMA BANGSA.

[Johanus Bau]

The movie is about the journalists who were killed in the crossfire at Balibo. Some people believe that they were tortured by the Indonesian forces and both Indonesian and Australian government tried to cover it up.

That conspiracy type of movie is quite common around the world, even in Indonesia.


The Kangaru journalists were not killed in a cross-fire just like our student protestors at Trisakti Uni were not killed accidentally in 1998. The aussie journalists were definitely captured and murdered in Balibo because their bodies were burned... ya kan? They were covering our involvement in the liberation of what is now Timor Leste. Life was cheap back then and Govts around the world, including the US, have used the excuse of 'collateral damage' to justify or hide these acts many times. However, killing civilians is wrong and should be condemed for what it is - an atrocity - no matter who does it.

[toukairin]

@johanes bau
but fact remain that even a "true" Timorese leader such as Xanana (not ramos horta who's only yelling from overseas at that time; Xanana really went into the jungle as guerilla leader, and even spend some time in jail; and yet it is ramos who got the Nobel, the world really is weird...) chose to move on and not looking back... He know that getting gloomy about the past isn't going to get the Timorese nowhere - Timor Leste is currently one of the poorest nation in the SE Asia... And one food embargo from Indonesia could really put the TLs in chaos...

[Johanus Bau]

@johanes bau
but fact remain that even a "true" Timorese leader such as Xanana (not ramos horta who's only yelling from overseas at that time; Xanana really went into the jungle as guerilla leader, and even spend some time in jail; and yet it is ramos who got the Nobel, the world really is weird...) chose to move on and not looking back... He know that getting gloomy about the past isn't going to get the Timorese nowhere - Timor Leste is currently one of the poorest nation in the SE Asia... And one food embargo from Indonesia could really put the TLs in chaos...

Ha ha ha....I agree with you there about that.... Xanana is the real man and Ramos Horta likes to bahasa basi.

It's only my humble opinion but its better not to kill/rape civilians or else you attract the attention of the UN... and since we are not a super power, we don't have huge oil reserves or possess nuclear weapons... that's why we ended up losing a province.... :oops:

So we better forget about silly ideas like food embargos so we can continue to make more friends....

Oh ya, also better not allow another Habibie to become president again or else he will give another part of the country away.. :-(

[kecemplunglagi]

For good or bad, I guess some things better left under the carpet.

Balibo Five? Not many people in Indonesia know about their story, and considering the somewhat animosity towards Australia in Indonesia, very few would care about it.

Heck, not many Indonesians know just what happened in East Timor back then. All we know is what's written on history textbook (sanctioned by the govt., of course). How many Marinir died there? I know 2 uncles and some neighbours, that's all.

[ZAYYANA]

The movie is about the journalists who were killed in the crossfire at Balibo. Some people believe that they were tortured by the Indonesian forces and both Indonesian and Australian government tried to cover it up.

That conspiracy type of movie is quite common around the world, even in Indonesia.

Let's see the background of this "invasion"; from what I knew from the history book, Australia n USA support this action coz at that time seem Fretillin is Communist n the Australian didn't want their country have a communist neighbour n afraid to be invaded by communism.

Any idea... who have a good reason...

[equilibrium37]

hello all; got one question if anyone does not mind.. where are the pictures ??p-)

[equilibrium37]

Let's see the background of this "invasion"; from what I knew from the history book, Australia n USA support this action coz at that time seem Fretillin is Communist n the Australian didn't want their country have a communist neighbour n afraid to be invaded by communism.

Any idea... who have a good reason...

Try reading this book "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" it might give you an idea of why the United States gave the green light to Suharto to "wipe out the communists". The reason of the East Timor invasion was not purely reasoned for fighting the communists.

[ZAYYANA]

hello all; got one question if anyone does not mind.. where are the pictures ??p-)

I don't have the picture's... but you can search it in Youtube.

[Tunasa]

It was obvious that both Australia and US supported the invasion/takeover since they couldn't afford to have another communist country in SEA and Domino Theory becoming a reality.

That is why they never complain about the invasion, the human rights issue they were concern about was occurred after the invasion. I don't think either Australia or US government want to question/discuss anything regarding the invasion because of their so called involvement and its like opening a can of worm for them.

I think the best option for both Indonesia and Timor Leste is to have a cordial relationship. It will be a mutual relationship for both countries, Timor Leste will have greater economic relationship and Indonesia can show that we have changed in a better way.

[karbol]

hello all; got one question if anyone does not mind.. where are the pictures ??p-)

where the hell have you been bro?

found this legendary pics... hope you like it...p-)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/prabowo_sby09.jpg

you do also have a lot of pics, why dont you share with us...:)

[ZAYYANA]

where the hell have you been bro?

found this legendary pics... hope you like it...p-)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/prabowo_sby09.jpg

you do also have a lot of pics, why dont you share with us...:)

Hi there.... they are in the same rank... Colonel

[Aghost]

hello all; got one question if anyone does not mind.. where are the pictures ??p-)

I will ask the same question bro.. coz this thread become so bored without any new pictures, so let's heat this thread. I will start, I have an curious picture from another forum, looks like mobile rocket launcher tested by Pindad. Anyone have any info about this...
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/mrpulus09/AnoaMLRS-2.jpg?t=1249286726

[blue_danube]

^^^

sorry, the original poster has deleted that pic for a security reason. please be careful.. some infos are classified enough...

[GreenTea]

^^^

sorry, the original poster has deleted that pic for a security reason. please be careful.. some infos are classified enough...

wow... kaskus formil mod is here..... :D:D:D

ijin nyimak gan... :D:D:D

[GreenTea]

I have noticed quite a bit of historical inaccuracies in the equipments and weapons just from a few photos or video clips. Would I watch it? Probably not, because I would end up grumbling about those inaccuracies throughout the show.

I'll watch an Indonesian war movie once the authenticity and accuracy of the equipments and weapons used is on comparable (or higher) to that of the Band of Brothers series. Or, is my standard too high? This is the curse of being a shooter, gun collector, and amateur historian all at once. :-(

The authentic and accuracy in the equipments and weapons in Indonesia war movies, only in the movie "Penumpasan G-30S/PKI"...... because this movie supported by ABRI and our second President... :)

[karbol]

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/grab-1.jpg

JK and his legacy... :)

i think PINDAD should named the panser 'KALLA PANSER'... not ANOA...

[karbol]

^^^

sorry, the original poster has deleted that pic for a security reason. please be careful.. some infos are classified enough...

please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..

[Aghost]

please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..

I found it when searching with google. The picture was upload on photobucket and posted on Kaskus, since the owner didn't delete it the picture will still exist on the net. So the one who upload it on photobucket should delete it, then my picture will automaticly dissappear too..

[gungho]

damn, SBY looked so skinny in that pics.. he should've kept his weight like that, too much gudeg etc I guess hehehe...

[kecemplunglagi]

Gudeg? Naaah, kacang bawang and Cikeas' very own tahu goreng :)

Prabowo has red-rimmed colonel epaulet, that means he was commanding officer of a battalion? One of Kopassus' group? And what was SBY's position?

[karbol]

Gudeg? Naaah, kacang bawang and Cikeas' very own tahu goreng :)

Prabowo has red-rimmed colonel epaulet, that means he was commanding officer of a battalion? One of Kopassus' group? And what was SBY's position?

a battalion commander in kopassus are letkol, not kolonel. a kolonel in kopassus commanding a group. but you see the 'M' patch in his right arms, meaning is that his assignment are in kopassus headquarter. i think, at that time he was Wadanjen Kopassus...

not sure about the SBY. maybe he was DANREM or ASOPS KODAM jaya or Danbrig 17...

[equilibrium37]

Hi there.... they are in the same rank... Colonel

Whats with the the guys face behind Prabowo ... heheheh; kena colekan maut'nya prabowo mungkin. rofl


@Karbol: I've been around man, lurking and just on sightseeing mp.net. Haven't really felt like posting anything. Hahaha; i dont have any pictures. Well i do have some interesting ones, but they're from you and i dont think its appropriate for me to post them. p-)

p.s: Just a thought; maybe to keep this thread alive we could post the news from the alutsista thread ? Just a thought.

[equilibrium37]

Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

[koxinga]

please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..

the mlrs? considering it was on national TV...

[garandman]

Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:

[blue_danube]

please check this bro:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=101230958#post101230958

at this hours, it still there...p-) please delete it if you dont mind...

and AGHOST, you should delete your post either..
thank you for the info, gan....
i'll delete the pic ASAP, since the owner complained me...

[Johanus Bau]

I will ask the same question bro.. coz this thread become so bored without any new pictures, so let's heat this thread. I will start, I have an curious picture from another forum, looks like mobile rocket launcher tested by Pindad. Anyone have any info about this...



Err, it is not classified guys... it was reported widely in the news... Just do a search on Google for LAPAN and Pindad and you will get all the info on the rocket being tested....

[karbol]

Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:


Oh yea; i've been wanting to ask this question. Does anyone have any info about the Pindad made FN 46 (scorpio??) handgun .. A buddy sent me a picture asking if i knew anything about this handgun (yeah ok .. ?) haha .

What FN46? Can you post the pic?

[equilibrium37]

Oh no, not the "FN 46" again ..... :roll:

Am I missing out on something here ?

@Karbol: yeah i said the same thing, what FN46... Never heard of it until that day, googled it and only found articles of them being used by separatists in places such as Poso, Timor, etc.
Here's the picture:

Details: 9x19mm, single stack magazine, 9 round capacity.

[gungho]

looks like Cz75 from its appearance

[fcaesarn]

Nice pics from the web...

http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/jangan-sekali-kali-melupakan-sejarah/

http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/upfiles/7368/90E0BAF160D54887BB4C838E8BD84079.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp97/r_adrie/GelarPasresz.jpg

http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/upfiles/7368/C2D2B3B6E71C4321A81AC11D3729B982.jpg

[ZAYYANA]

Can't Opened http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2...pakan-sejarah/ (http://adiewicaksono.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/jangan-sekali-kali-melupakan-sejarah/)

[karbol]

Am I missing out on something here ?

@Karbol: yeah i said the same thing, what FN46... Never heard of it until that day, googled it and only found articles of them being used by separatists in places such as Poso, Timor, etc.
Here's the picture:

Details: 9x19mm, single stack magazine, 9 round capacity.

hmmm... interesting. AFAIK Pindad never made those guns. but in 60-70's Pindad do modified a lot of type of firearms...

[toukairin]

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/grab-1.jpg

JK and his legacy... :)

i think PINDAD should named the panser 'KALLA PANSER'... not ANOA...

enak aja, dia tuh mesen 150 tapi cuma ngasih duit buat bikin 30! orang gila namanya! >:( sampe2 yang ditugasi bikin stres kayaknya.

[karbol]

enak aja, dia tuh mesen 150 tapi cuma ngasih duit buat bikin 30! orang gila namanya! >:( sampe2 yang ditugasi bikin stres kayaknya.

well, i think that's not 100% his fault. you know how things works in our Depkeu...

anyway, back to pics...


http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4104L-015.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/060715-N-4990T-003.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-004.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-005.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-006.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AL/070914-N-4965F-008.jpg

pics taken from CARAT webs...

[equilibrium37]

Thank youu for this useful information, I myself wasnt really sure what the heck was going on. So many diff. sides of stories from diff. sources.

p.s: Lets all just relax, dont let this get out of control :hug:

[karbol]

more pics...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090720-N-7058E-019.jpg

090720-N-7058E-019 JAVA SEA (July 20, 2009) The Indonesian Navy patrol vessel KRI Barakuda (PB 814) escorts the utility landing craft LCU 1651 as it carries Sailors and Marines participating in the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Lt. Ed Early/Released)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-012.jpg

090721-M-0353S-012 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 21, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment and Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion conduct rifle physical training during the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Dustin T. Schalue/Released)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090724-M-0000X-495.jpg


090724-M-0000X-495 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 24, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment and Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion congratulate each other after the closing ceremony of the first part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (Indonesia Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Heri Sulistyono/Released)


http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090723-M-0353S-027.jpg

090723-M-0353S-027 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 23, 2009) Cpl. Domenico Fornaro of 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment, explains the M16A4 Service Rifle to Head Pvt. Ahmad Zulfi from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Dustin T. Schalue/Released

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-5797H-001.jpg



090722-M-5797H-001 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment practice body blows with Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during a Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Tyler J. Hlavac/Released

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-0000X-054.jpg

090722-M-0000X-054 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) Private Goes Sulaiman, a fireman with 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion, carries Lance Cpl. Jared Kimmey of 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment in a casualty evacuation drill during a combat lifesaver class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (Indonesia Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Heri Sulistyono/Released)

[karbol]

more... from CARAT web: http://www.clwp.navy.mil/CARAT2009/Photo%20archive%2064%20CARAT.htm

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-IM-6288S-348.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-067.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0353S-061.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090721-M-0000X-278.jpg

hmmm... those MARPAT looks blend well in tropical environment...

[gungho]

another proof MARPAT woodland work so well in green side ops.. our DPM's green is just too contrast ... great pics pak!!!

[equilibrium37]

another proof MARPAT woodland work so well in green side ops.. our DPM's green is just too contrast ... great pics pak!!!

But our DPM works very well in true rain forest jungles. Try google'ing pictures of the Indonesian Air Force SAR personnel conducting a search for a missing aircraft (in bogor's jungles i beleive).

[gungho]

more... from CARAT web: http://www.clwp.navy.mil/CARAT2009/Photo%20archive%2064%20CARAT.htm

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-IM-6288S-348.jpg



I bet these leathernecks haven't had tokek bakar before hahaha...

[bambu runcing]

give them Dji Sam Soe and soon they will addicted !!


I bet these leathernecks haven't had tokek bakar before hahaha...

[karbol]

terorist siege in Bekasi and temanggung!!


http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/teroris-bekasi-0808.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/teroris-bekasi-0808-3.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/teroris-bekasi-0808-1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/bom-bekasi03.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/bom-bekasi01.jpg

beside the siege on Temanggung, Indonesian Police forces also siege a house in Jati Asih, Bekasi, West Java. police shot down 2 terorist, and secure a bomb...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/teroris-1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/penggrebekan2.jpg

police forces from Det.88 get ready to attack terorist hideout in Temanggong central java

[karbol]

from this weekend pics... thx to MasAbri...p-)


moments before siege ends

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6594/img00967.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/img00967.jpg/)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8784/img00971.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/i/img00971.jpg/)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6958/img00972.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/img00972.jpg/)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8089/img00973.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/img00973.jpg/)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8641/img00975.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/img00975.jpg/)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6264/img00976.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img00976.jpg/)
thumbs up...Noordin's dead

karbol, these detachment 88 guys are using styer no M4's...they are not from jakarta i presumed...

[karbol]

thx to Vaman


Pictures have started to trickle in

http://i28.tinypic.com/ae6qn6.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/sbpous.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/al1a45.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/v4w6is.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/vgon0p.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2a61c2b.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/21aztwl.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/r70isw.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/dlokt0.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/m807cm.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2ut0lft.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/23m0z94.jpg

[Jagi]

Taken from the Jakarta Post 09/08/2009

Noordin M Top reportedly killed in a bathroom after 16 hour seige

Southeast Asia's most wanted terror suspect was reportedly killed during a 16-hour siege on a suspected militant hide-out that ended Saturday when police stormed the house.

Local TV stations reported militant chief Noordin Mohammad Top, who is blamed for last month's attacks on two American hotels in the capital, Jakarta, was killed in the bathroom of the house in a rice-growing village in central Java province following a lengthy bomb and gun battle.

Those reports were not confirmed by police. DNA tests will likely have to be performed to ensure the identification.

The suicide attacks on the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in Jakarta killed seven people, all but one of them foreigners, and ended a four-year pause in terror strikes in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.

Noordin is also believed to have played a major role in four other bombing in Indonesia since 2002, including nightclub attacks on the resort island of Bali that year that killed 202 people, mostly foreigners.

He later emerged as a regional terrorist leader and skilled bomb maker who has been accused of masterminding a series of suicide attacks - including the triple Bali bombins in 2005 - that killed dozens of people.

Killing or capturing him would be a major victory in Indonesia's fight against militants and could significantly weaken the chances of more attacks, given the key planning, financial and motivational role he is believed to have played in terror networks.

Polic spokesman Nanan Sukarna said officers believed Noordin, who is Southeast Asia's most wanted militant suspect, and two or three of his followers were inside, but could not immediately confirm their fate.

Minutes after the raid, witnesses said officers outside the house tookoff their helmets and were shaking hands with each other, suggesting all those inside had either been killed or captured. The firing ceased.

A police officer at the scene said a body was found in the bathroom of the house and authorities brought a coffin there. After about one hour, three ambulances left te home.

Earlier Saturday, officers raided a second house close to Jakarta where they shot and killed two suspected militants and seized bombs and a car rigged to carry them, said Police chief Gen. Bambang Hendarso Danuri.

Danuri said one of those arrested had reserved a room in one of the hotels that was used by the terrorists before they attacked.

The house was about three miles (five kilometers) from the residence of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. The Detik.com Web site, quoting an unnamed police source, said officers believed Yudhoyono's house could have been planning an attack there.

Officers circled the house in central Java province late Friday afternoon after making arrests in a nearby town. At one point, they sent remote-controlled robots into the isolated building to search for bombs

Not long before they stormed the red-tiled building, officers dressed in black behind a shield fired into the house from close range, while others fired repeated volleys from a hill behind it.

Indonesian police have been met with ****y traps and suicide bombers in at least one other raid on a terrorist hide-out and approached the house with extreme caution.

Noordin is a Malaysian citizen who claimed in a video in 2005 to be al-Qaida's representative in Southeast Asia and to be carrying out attacks on Western civilians to avenge Muslim deaths in Afghanistan.

Indonesian police have arrested more than 200 militants associated with the Jemaah Islamiyah terror network since 2002, including many with ties to Noordin, who they say has narrowly escaped capture several times.

Police have offered a $100,000 reward for information leading to his capture. Experts say Noordin was likely being hidden by a small network of sympathizers who might not agree with his tactics, but nevertheless believe they have a duty to shelter him.

Java, home to more than half of Indonesia's 220 million people, has long been the focus in the hunt for Noordin and his associates.

In November 2005, Azahari bin Husin, a top Jemaah Islamiyah bomb maker, was fatally shot by counterterrorism forces in east Java. Sariyah Jabir, another explosives expert, was killed in April 2006 during a raid on a militant hide-out in central Java.

Prosecutors say Noordin also orchestrated an earlier attack on the J.W. Marriott Hotel in 2003 and a blast outside the Australian Embassy in 2004, both in the Indonesian capital. Al-Qaida is believed to have helped fund several of the attacks.

Together the bombings allegedly linked Noordin killed more than 240 people, many of them Western tourists.

[Jagi]

Video of the afternoon raid in Central Java by Densus 88
Credits to er1ck1, Selayangnews, and idmy1

From TVone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtXp_mo6A3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15i5Ic377Hs

http://www.tvone.co.id/arsip/view/19779/2009/08/08/kronologi_penyergapan_noordin

http://www.tvone.co.id/arsip/view/19736/2009/08/08/video_eksklusif_saat_densus_88_berusaha_melumpuhkan_kelompok_teroris

From MetroTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEcjpAX5EcY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv4Jwa5A5o8

Salute to Brimob for being able to hold their position for a whole night!!
I guess the raid is not efficient enough seeing they didnt utilize their crucial equipments
such NVG,tear gas,or even flashbangs during the night operation

[bambu runcing]

in the first time i agree police special forces suspend the direct raid into the house until daylight. It was too dangerous as we cannot see how many bad guys inside the house and how strong their armament was
I hope police can catch at least one suspect alive.

But only after we found out that there is only one person in the house, and he was dead, I can only sigh (yaaaahhh....)

I just hope the dead man really Noordin M Top, dead or alive worth for 16 hours siege.






Salute to Brimob for being able to hold their position for a whole night!!
I guess the raid is not efficient enough seeing they didnt utilize their crucial equipments
such NVG,tear gas,or even flashbangs during the night operation

[Jagi]

terorist siege in Bekasi and temanggung!!

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/penggrebekan2.jpg

police forces from Det.88 get ready to attack terorist hideout in Temanggong central java

That personel in the middle,was he carrying an SPR or is it an SR series?
SR-25 perhaps? Are both of these weapons also being deployed by countries other than US?

[Special Units]

These gents from Det 88?

GEGANA
see left arm patch

[Special Units]

Not to mention that it says "Special Task Force" in english above his right breast pocket.... definitely not Indonesian.... definitely Sri Lankan...

Special Task Force operator is definitely Sri Lanka special police unit.

[gungho]

That personel in the middle,was he carrying an SPR or is it an SR series?
SR-25 perhaps? Are both of these weapons also being deployed by countries other than US?

I believe that's AR10, it's officially being used by the Police for marksman purposes... aside from that, they also use AUG Steyr, M4 RIS, SS1, AK104 and I saw one using a bolt action riffle on TV, he wasn't wearing any uniform though..

[ZAYYANA]

Anybody know n can confirm that the death body from Temanggung is Noordin M Top.......?

[aswp01]

terorist siege in Bekasi and temanggung!!












http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/teroris-1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/penggrebekan2.jpg

police forces from Det.88 get ready to attack terorist hideout in Temanggong central java

The badge of the officer in front looks like from GEGANA. Which is also a Special Police Unit. Can't see the badge of the second officer.
Densus has a unique badge - the face of an owl.

Frankly, the whole drama reminds me of the drama in Princess Gate (1980)- UK, but it was totally different setting and situation. :)

Thumbs up for those brave officers though regardless of the outcome.

[DavidDCM]

That personel in the middle,was he carrying an SPR or is it an SR series?
SR-25 perhaps? Are both of these weapons also being deployed by countries other than US?

As gungho correctly said, this is an AR-10 in .308, sniper version used by Den 88.

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/rws1w9.jpg

[bambu runcing]

GOOD NEWS Bro !!

PT DI got their NBell-412 license back from Bell Textron
PT DI built NBell-412 since 1984 but the licence discontinued in 2000
WHY ???

Since then, PT DI don't cannot provide TNI with light-medium class helicopter. So, TNI AD planned to acquire a squadron of Sokol (Poland built Mi-2) to fill the NBell-412 role and TNI AL on their way with troubled purchase plan of 16 Mi-2 (used) from Russia.

This NBell-412 EP definitely will axe the Sokol dan Mi-2 !!

In two years, PT DI will deliver 10 NBell-412 for TNI AD (6) and Basarnas/National SAR Forces (4)

''We predict 22 helicopter will be produce until 2014. If everything ready, we will begin this year, '' said VPMarketing and Sales Aircraft Integration PT DI Arie Wibowo quoted by detik.com

http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2009/08/10/164800/1180673/4/pt-di-siap-pasok-helikopter-untuk-tni


Hurray....

PICS From IAE (PT DI) site
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_01.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_02.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_03.jpg

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/nbell-412_04.jpg



news from PT DI site:
PT DIRGANTARA AND BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON Inc
Signed a Memorandum of Understanding

Today (August 10, 2009), Mr. Budi Santoso, the President Director of PT Dirgantara Indonesia ((Persero) or Indonesian Aerospace and Mr. **** Millnan, president and CEO of Bell Helicopter signed a Memorandum of Understanding to collaborate on supplying helicopters to Indonesia Government agencies.

The Bell model 412 EP helicopters are manufactured in North America and will be assembled at PTDI’s facilities in Bandung, Indonesia. During the assembly process, PTDI will be adding value by installing users in Indonesia. Final delivery of the Bell model 412 EP helicopters to the government end-users will also take place at PTDI’s facilities of Bandung Indonesia.

There are almost 80 Bell helicopters of various models operating currently in Indonesia. 31 of these are the variants of the Bell 412 EP helicopter to include 27 Bell 412 SPs, 4 Bell 412 HPs, and 5 Bell 412 EPs. All of Bell 412 SPs & 412 HP helicopters were manufactured under license from Bell Helicopter by IPTN in the 1980’s and 1990’s.

The signing ceremony today was witnessed by the Indonesia Deputy Minister for State Owned Enterprises, Sahala Lumban Gaol, and the US Ambassador to Indonesia, Cameron Hume.

PTDI is an incorporation wholly owned by the Republic of Indonesia Government was established in Bandung Indonesia on 1976, and from Spanish EADS-CASA and NBO-105 helicopter respectively from German DASA Eurocopter. Since 1984 PTDI had been manufacturing under license NBell 412 SP/HP from BHTI, USA.

At present, PTDI is also manufacturing a co-designCN-235is various versions and already operational by some countries, such as Malaysia, Brunei, Thailand, Philipine, South Korea, UAE, etc.
PTDI also manufactures under licensed NAS-332 Super Puma helicopter from Eurocopter (formerly Aerospatiale), France.

Besides manufacturing airplane and helicopter, PTDI also manufacturing aerostructure components such as for Boeing (737, 777), Bombardier, Airbus, Mitsubishi Heavy Industriy, Eurocopter and AC TRM Malaysia and as become single source of fixed leading edge of Airbus A 380. PTDI also provides a complete range of aircraft’s maintenance, overhaul, repair and alteration, engineering product and services covers flight simulator, mobile communication, hovercraft, giraffe radar, airport design, etc. The company also provides military & defense products and its maintenance including Rocket FFAR 2,75”, Torpedo SUT NDL 40 for Army and Navy.

Bell Helicopter, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Textron Inc., is an industry-leading producer of commercial and military, manned and unmanned vertical lift aircraft and the pioneer of the revolutionary tilt rotor aircraft. Globally recognized for world-class customer service, innovation and superior quality, Bell’s global work force serves customers flying Bell aircraft in more than 120 countries.

Textron Inc. (NYSE:TXT) is a multi-industry company that leverages its global network of aircraft, defense, industrial and finance business to provide customers with innovative solutions and services. Textron is known around the world for its powerful brands such as Bell Helicopter, Cessna Aircraft Company, Jacobsen, Kautex, Lycoming, E-Z-GO, Greenlee, and Textron Systems. More information is available at www.textron.com (http://www.textron.com).

[fcaesarn]

Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00009-20090807-0844.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00008-20090807-0833.jpg

[Jalsky06]

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/090722-M-5797H-001.jpg



090722-M-5797H-001 JAMPANG TENGAH, Indonesia (July 22, 2009) U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment practice body blows with Indonesian Marines from 2nd Indonesian Marine Infantry Battalion during a Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) class. The class was conducted as part of the Indonesia phase of Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT), a series of bilateral exercises held annually in Southeast Asia to strengthen relationships and enhance the operational readiness of the participating forces. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Tyler J. Hlavac/Released

wow! that's Denjaka Officer (see the patch on the right pocket)

[Johanus Bau]

Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg




Ah, Jln Jend Gatot Subroto right? Jakarta...

[Aghost]

Nice info for the Anoa 4x4 delivery fcaesarm, now take a look at the latest display of PENS ITS bomb disposal robot, this robot shown at ITS campus Surabaya after some journalis courious with the status of it's development. This toy still conducting some test and will be ready for commercial production soon. Hope it will join Densus 88 on the next raid on terrorist safe house heh..heh...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1043&pictureid=15247

The government will save a lot of money with this locally built robot coz the price only around 300 Million Rupiahs or equivalent with US$ 30,000, you can compare it to the imported Robot from US or another europe country, their price around US$ 100,000 or more and that's not include the spare parts and maintenance.

Right now PENS ITS on development for the second generation robot and the research targeting to be completed on November this year, but they didn't showed up the display yet.

[karbol]

STAY ALLERT!! NMT is alive!!

[ZAYYANA]

Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg


I didn't know that Pindad make a version of 4x4 Anoa. as far as I know they make 6x6.

[gungho]

STAY ALLERT!! NMT is alive!!

yup, bad news guys... the media ought to zip it before anything is certain, big stuff to claim NMT was killed but now official stated the terrorist killed was actually Ibrahim the florist..

a whole new meaning on choosing florist as a profession now haha..

[karbol]

perhaps the Panser were transported into RITECH EXPO 2009 at Senayan...

found it in kaskus formil. credit to masmass


Panser 4x4
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4237.jpg

Panser 6x6 Commando
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4224.jpg

Maket panser kanon 6x6
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg

SPG-2 di SS1-V5R
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4211.jpg

UAV BPPT
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4231.jpg
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4232.jpg

Munisi kal. 20mm
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4233.jpg

PT LEN Transponder-target tembak torpedo
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/torp-1.jpg

Lorong tembak bergerak (untuk pistol)
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/lor.jpg

UAV PTDI
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4217.jpg

LAPAN SLV
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4205.jpg


udah capek moto nih gan
udah capek aplot lagi
minta ijo-ijo dong

[ghostrecon]

I Believe this is not that particular Anoa, since Anoa has 6x6 wheels compared to this pictures has 4x4s. If I'm not mistaken, Indonesia Police has Tactica and Barracuda Armoured car, and this is one of them I supposed.

[toukairin]

ok, the merah putih crew has answered my question about the guns in the movie :


Rahayu Saraswati (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000101642355&ref=mf)Wah, kayaknya kita semua lagi sangking sibuknya belum bisa jawab nihh... pertanyaan yang bagus, tetapi mungkin yang lebih tepat menjawab itu dari Art Director - Pak Iri Supit, the best in Indonesian film industry. Dan soal persenjataan harus menanyakan kepada Key Armourer - yaitu Mr. John Bowring yang menjadi key armourer Matrix 1,2,3 dan Wolverine... Read More, etc.
Tapi comment aja dari saya, waktu itu sebenarnya sudah bicara dengan orang2 dari TNI dan Kepolisian, semua setuju bahwa senjata2 tersebut bisa dipakai pada tahun 1947, karena mereka datang dari tentara Jepang, Belanda, Inggris, Jerman. Jadi mungkin lebih tepat menanyakan kepada mereka?
Tetapi tambahan juga, tolong dimengerti karena pada saat kita mencari senjata2, di TNI sebagian besar dipakai untuk latihan di laut, jadi sudah karatan... nah, bayangin harus mencari sebegitu banyak senjata - apalagi kita harus memakai apa yang ada.. dan yang ada SANGAT terbatas. Karena kita harus pakai senjata beneran untuk efek penembakannya. :)



so if you wanna use lee enfields in the movie, they'd have to use working ones.. and since TNI doesn't maintain any "old guns", most of them corrosed... causing not enuff LE to use. So they use Garands. Phew.

[DavidDCM]

I Believe this is not that particular Anoa, since Anoa has 6x6 wheels compared to this pictures has 4x4s. If I'm not mistaken, Indonesia Police has Tactica and Barracuda Armoured car, and this is one of them I supposed.

This is not the Barracuda and not the Tactica, this is the 4x4 version of the Anoa

Blueprint in the Pindad factory. Credit to karbol(?)
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/PICT1308.jpg

[abarky]

Pindad Anoa 4x4 on deliveries, but i dont know where was it delivered??? taken on friday 7 Aug 2009..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00010-20090807-0851.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00009-20090807-0844.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/IMG00008-20090807-0833.jpg
nice bro ... anoa smoga sukses

[bambu runcing]

They can use Garand maybe because Pindad still produce its ammo 7.62x63
in Pindad designated as MU-7 (TJ=FMJ/ball and H = blank)

if their website still updated ....
http://www.pindad.com/prodgul800.php?bahasa=&varkdnews=MU762


ok, the merah putih crew has answered my question about the guns in the movie :



so if you wanna use lee enfields in the movie, they'd have to use working ones.. and since TNI doesn't maintain any "old guns", most of them corrosed... causing not enuff LE to use. So they use Garands. Phew.

[eagleroaming]

1 Kopassus Soldier is equal to 5 Regular Infantry Soldiers, Have Your say Guys
http://photos-974.friendster.com/e1/photos/47/91/63621974/1_219644236l.jpg

Gampang koq gan Inggrisnya.. hehe!

Discovery Channel Military edition 2008 broadcasted the world's best elite forces. Elite forces from around the globe was measured by its performance and skill (not by the military technology), where military experts and analyst across the globe were invited to give their judgement. Here's the Top 3 :

1. United Kingdom's SAS

2. Israel's MOSSAD

3. Indonesia's KOPASSUS

bla bla bla.. no.157. PASKAL from Malaysian Special Forces (No Offences)!

You must be wondering why the US elite force was not included. It is because, according to the narrator, they rely heavily on military equipments, all-digitalized technology. A good special force should posses a perfect individual skill like defense, survival, camouflage, strategy, endurance, guerilla, trap-making, and others. The narrator also said that 1 Kopassus soldier is equal to 5 regular soldiers. Here's some things for you :

1. Kopassus wins sniper championship using Indonesia's made weapon.

2. Kopassus ranks #2 in conducting a strategical military operation, like intelligence, deployment and movement, infiltration, and attack. The #1 rank is DELTA force, USA

3. Countries in North Africa use 80% of their military trainer from Kopassus

4. Cambodian special forces has long been trained by Kopassus.

[karbol]

1 Kopassus Soldier is equal to 5 Regular Infantry Soldiers, Have Your say Guys
http://photos-974.friendster.com/e1/photos/47/91/63621974/1_219644236l.jpg

Gampang koq gan Inggrisnya.. hehe!

Discovery Channel Military edition 2008 broadcasted the world's best elite forces. Elite forces from around the globe was measured by its performance and skill (not by the military technology), where military experts and analyst across the globe were invited to give their judgement. Here's the Top 3 :

1. United Kingdom's SAS

2. Israel's MOSSAD

3. Indonesia's KOPASSUS

bla bla bla.. no.157. PASKAL from Malaysian Special Forces (No Offences)!

You must be wondering why the US elite force was not included. It is because, according to the narrator, they rely heavily on military equipments, all-digitalized technology. A good special force should posses a perfect individual skill like defense, survival, camouflage, strategy, endurance, guerilla, trap-making, and others. The narrator also said that 1 Kopassus soldier is equal to 5 regular soldiers. Here's some things for you :

1. Kopassus wins sniper championship using Indonesia's made weapon.

2. Kopassus ranks #2 in conducting a strategical military operation, like intelligence, deployment and movement, infiltration, and attack. The #1 rank is DELTA force, USA

3. Countries in North Africa use 80% of their military trainer from Kopassus

4. Cambodian special forces has long been trained by Kopassus.

i heard about this from a long-long-long time ago. but still until this day, never found the source... can you give me the source? i mean, a real source from discovery channel? not just some forum source...

and btw, Mossad are not special forces... they are intelegent agency

[DavidDCM]

Is there anybody who believes that this is real? :| Come on guys, it's so obviously a fake. How do you measure the "performance and skill" of a special force if almost nothing is known about them? Mossad is not even a military unit, they are an intelligence agency! And the statement that US Forces where excluded because they rely too heavily on technology is just ridiculous rofl No really, this must be the work of some little fanboy...

Go to the Discovery Channel website, something like "Discovery Channel military edition 2008" or "World's best special forces documentary" never existed.

--------

Now back to the real deal:

Gegana on the training range with AUG A1 rifle:
http://www.abload.de/img/1067242328_2eb1ddccf5_mi7z.jpg

[karbol]

Is there anybody who believes that this is real? :|

i believe when i see it... but none so far...

and thx for pics david...:)

[ggk]

Black Steyr: sexy

[Aghost]

I am on agreement with you David, we should think objective here so we got the right information... But it's true that the standard of Koppasus is one soldier equal to five, I have heard it from the Army chief himself when he speech during Koppasus graduation somewhere in Central Java.

The true fact again is Cambodia special force had trained by Koppasus since Eighties till now. I think anybody know it since the Cambodia regularly sent their soldier to Join Koppasus recruitment and training. About their presence in North Africa is still rumor, because some gossip said after 1998 riot Prabowo was step down from Koppasus chief and going to North Africa with his loyal Koppasus soldier, but the truth is unclear...

http://www.antarafoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1221905525
Cambodia soldier participating koppasus recruitment in 2008

[karbol]

World (http://en.rian.ru/world/) (http://en.rian.ru/export/rss2/world/index.xml)

Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia

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15:4911/08/2009
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JAKARTA, August 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has been shortlisted for a $700 million contract to deliver two submarines to Indonesia, the Indonesian Navy commander said on Tuesday.
"Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said.
Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.
"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
The successful bidder is expected to be named by the end of August.
The Indonesian defense minister has said the submarines are to be delivered in 2011.

link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20090811/155782847.html

*********


navy chief said: no for ecek-ecek subs...:)

[bambu runcing]

Ecek-ecek Subs.....(crap, not so special Submarine ???) ...:roll:

Since KSAL himself who knows what ecek-ecek Subs is, we can conclude that he has ever experience with the ecek-ecek one....

So, it only spare Kilo class to consider .....

taruhan gocap, Indonesia bakal pilih Kilo

No more 209 Oh, No more 209 .... since our neighbour will got the Scorpene
Give us Kilo Kilo Kilo Kilo, just to kill Oh... other crap submarine


World (http://en.rian.ru/world/)

Russia shortlisted for submarine contract with Indonesia

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Russia to lay down one multipurpose submarine a year from 2011 (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090726/155627360.html)
India's first nuclear-powered submarine to be launched July 26 (http://en.rian.ru/world/20090716/155540796.html)



15:4911/08/2009
Multimedia



Photo: (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/)Russia launches new nuclear submarine (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20070416/63706284.html)



JAKARTA, August 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has been shortlisted for a $700 million contract to deliver two submarines to Indonesia, the Indonesian Navy commander said on Tuesday.
"Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said.
Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.
"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said.
The successful bidder is expected to be named by the end of August.
The Indonesian defense minister has said the submarines are to be delivered in 2011.

link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20090811/155782847.html

*********


navy chief said: no for ecek-ecek subs...:)

[4n664]

i heard about this from a long-long-long time ago. but still until this day, never found the source... can you give me the source? i mean, a real source from discovery channel? not just some forum source...

and btw, Mossad are not special forces... they are intelegent agency

I watched discovery almost every year since 2000 and sorry never heard that programme exist. When you heard someone said they exclude someone else coz they're too dependent on technology then its pretty absurd. If the US Spec ops have those predator like camo tech then yes you might claim they're too dependent on that.

Anyway off topic here, there's a show called "deadliest warrior" on spike TV and I think they use computer run simulation to simulate battles. I think last time they got Green Beret Vs Spetsnaz, and I think spetsnaz won ^^.

[mr. kurien]

err... guys. why don't we blank or pixelized the faces of any KOPASSUS or GEGANA or other Indonesian SF personals. consider it as a security for them and their families from any trouble. we might not know what will happen after this. just an opinion. nothing else. :D

[ZAYYANA]

I am on agreement with you David, we should think objective here so we got the right information... But it's true that the standard of Koppasus is one soldier equal to five, I have heard it from the Army chief himself when he speech during Koppasus graduation somewhere in Central Java.

The true fact again is Cambodia special force had trained by Koppasus since Eighties till now. I think anybody know it since the Cambodia regularly sent their soldier to Join Koppasus recruitment and training. About their presence in North Africa is still rumor, because some gossip said after 1998 riot Prabowo was step down from Koppasus chief and going to North Africa with his loyal Koppasus soldier, but the truth is unclear...

http://www.antarafoto.com/dom/prevw/grab.php?id=1221905525
Cambodia soldier participating koppasus recruitment in 2008

Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

[ggk]

Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

malaysia for one... but i dont know the recent event. for example one of our army general is a Kopassus graduate.

from what i know many country send their soldier to the kopassus basic selection......not many (literally) survive till the end of the tough selection.

[Johanus Bau]

err... guys. why don't we blank or pixelized the faces of any KOPASSUS or GEGANA or other Indonesian SF personals. consider it as a security for them and their families from any trouble. we might not know what will happen after this. just an opinion. nothing else. :D

Gegana is not SF.....

[kecemplunglagi]

^^ And... why bother? when they themselves stroll on Jakarta's street with full camo? Darah mengalir nongkrong di Pasar Rebo? :-(

[ZAYYANA]

Gegana is Bomb Squad, do you think they are SF...? you decide it by yourself

[karbol]

Can somebody tell me, which other country sent their troops for participating in Kopasus recruitment..?

AFAIK, Yaman (Yemen), Laos....

link: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsf/articles/20060413.aspx


and maybe Bangladesh and srilanka... but dont know for sure...


malaysia for one... but i dont know the recent event. for example one of our army general is a Kopassus graduate.


this is new to me.... thx bro...

[mr. kurien]

GEGANA not SF? i thought they were SF.

[Special Units]

Gegana is Bomb Squad, do you think they are SF...? you decide it by yourself

GEGANA is both : it is tactical unit and bomb squad

[karbol]

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Air Defense System Software by using of IFLOPS as base platform for airspace map

AJI Band Scanner System

Voice Recording System

Communication System :


Ground to Ground Radio Communication
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SSB
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VSAT Communication
Autotracking Antenna System
Data & Voice Oommunication


Crossband Communication System

Installed & Integrated in MPV equipped with Gen Set and required Accessories
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link: http://rekayasa-teknologi.com/index.php?show=product&task=detail&id=11&mid=10&catid=3

[Tunasa]

http://i29.tinypic.com/2ujtqg7.jpg

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Indonesian Army soldiers aboard armored vehicles secure the parliament building as Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono delivers his state of the nation address before parliament in Jakarta on August 14, 2009 ahead of Independence day celebrations. Yudhoyono sent a message of defiance to Islamist extremists, saying Indonesia would not be defeated by terrorism after police uncovered a plot to assassinate him. AFP PHOTO / ROMEO GACAD (Photo credit should read ROMEO GACAD/AFP/***** Images)



From Today's Pics posted by bd_popeye.

Was that CIS 50MG on first picture? Or Pindad license built one?

[fcaesarn]

From Today's Pics posted by bd_popeye.

Was that CIS 50MG on first picture? Or Pindad license built one?


woww.. i dont know about the gun, but paspampres got the anoa so many...

[ZAYYANA]

GEGANA is both : it is tactical unit and bomb squad

What make you think they are tactical unit....? It's seem DenSus 88 more like it than Gegana.

[bambu runcing]

Before the Bali bombing 2002, Gegana is only a bom disposal unit and Densus 88 is not exist
When US poured money to Polri for building a CT unit, I think the money was so big enough just for a CT unit. So Polri decided they build two CT unit, Densus 88 and Gegana both has capability on tactical assault

Whereas Densus 88 has additional intelligence capability (the most important in combating terrorist network) and Gegana specialized in bomb disposal. Both can complement each other when engaging a terorist compund

Just my halucination .....:)



What make you think they tactical unit....? It's seem DenSus 88 more like it than Gegana.

[ZAYYANA]

Before the Bali bombing 2002, Gegana is only a bom disposal unit and Densus 88 is not exist
When US poured money to Polri for building a CT unit, I think the money was so big enough just for a CT unit. So Polri decided they build two CT unit, Densus 88 and Gegana both has capability on tactical assault

Whereas Densus 88 has additional intelligence capability (the most important in combating terrorist network) and Gegana specialized in bomb disposal. Both can complement each other when engaging a terorist compund

Just my halucination .....:)

Yeah... maybe it just your halucination. give it the proof, so it would be make sense.

[abarky]

From Today's Pics posted by bd_popeye.

Was that CIS 50MG on first picture? Or Pindad license built one?

Yes PINDAD produce it , lincesed by Singapore Tech but I heard The gun have been modified by PINDAD

[toukairin]

A comment from one of my senior in campus, translated :
let's try to analyze the news once more.
What said is that Cambodian SF have for long been trained by Kopassus. This is what i said that it hasn't happened again for a long time.
If in TNI's Para-Commando training (PCT), there are other nation's soldiers that is participating among the PCT students, it's a usual thing, and it's kept happening.
As a reward, some TNI members also participated in similar training in other countris such as USA, OZ, German, etc
The same thing applies for other countries' training, such as anti/counter terror, command school, resilience school, etc, in which students from a country participate in other countries' program; it's a usual thing.
...
However, even if there are TNI members participated in a Commando Training in the US, we're not saying it as "Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Beret".
There are no TNI unit that can be said as "formed/established by the USA"
...
And it's also that, a long time ago, it happened that a Cambodian military unit is specifically/separately trained in PCT in Batujajar (Indonesian SF Training and Education Center), not put among TNI PCT students ---> T.N : a special PCT session just to train Cambodian.
The same thing happened for a Laos/Laotian military unit from General Kong Lee's faction.
Also a unit from the Malaysian Army.
But since a long time ago, such thing never happened anymore.





Original :

Coba kita cermati lagi beritanya.
Yang dikatakan adalah bahwa Cambodian special forces have for long been trained by Kopassus.
Ini yang saya katakan sudah sangat lama tidak terjadi lagi.
Kalau dalam pendidikan para-komando TNI ada tentara dari negara lain tersisipkan di antara siswa dikko tersebut, itu soal lumrah, dan memang terus terjadi.

Timbal baliknya anggota TNI juga ada saja yang diikutkan pendidikan serupa di negara-negara lain seperti AS, Australia, Jerman, dll.
Hal sama berlaku untuk diklat kemiliteran lain, seperti anti-teror, sesko, lemhanas, dsb., di mana siswa dari tentara suatu negara ikut program tentara negara lain, juga lumrah terjadi.
...
Namun, walau ada anggota TNI ikut dikko di AS, kan tidak kita katakan Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Berret.
Tidak ada unit tentara TNI yang dapat dikatakan sebagai bentukan USA.
...

Nah, demikian pula, dulu sekali pernah ada satuan tentara Kamboja yang secara tersendiri dididik para-komando di Batujajar, tidak disisipkan di antara siswa anggota TNI.
Ini barulah dapat dikatakan Cambodians special forces have been trained by Kopassus.
Hal yang sama pernah terjadi juga untuk satuan tentara Laos dari faksi Jenderal Kong Lee.
Juga unit Tentara Darat Diraja Malaysia.
Namun sudah lama sekali hal semacam itu tidak terjadi lagi.

[bambu runcing]

He he he
I'm being hallucinated by this interesting materials, documentary movie by Australian journalist: 'Inside Indonesia War on Terror'

you can watch this 42 min video on youtube, divided to 4 pieces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1WSl4EsERk

(sorry, don't know how to upload video to MP)

it was so interesting as Kapolri Da'i Bachtiar bragged to some DPR members about millions of millions of US$ donated for Polri........right in front of the camera !! ..... rofl


Yeah... maybe it just your halucination. give it the proof, so it would be make sense.

[fcaesarn]

A comment from one of my senior in campus, translated :
let's try to analyze the news once more.
What said is that Cambodian SF have for long been trained by Kopassus. This is what i said that it hasn't happened again for a long time.
If in TNI's Para-Commando training (PCT), there are other nation's soldiers that is participating among the PCT students, it's a usual thing, and it's kept happening.
As a reward, some TNI members also participated in similar training in other countris such as USA, OZ, German, etc
The same thing applies for other countries' training, such as anti/counter terror, command school, resilience school, etc, in which students from a country participate in other countries' program; it's a usual thing.
...
However, even if there are TNI members participated in a Commando Training in the US, we're not saying it as "Indonesian special forces have been trained by the US Green Beret".
There are no TNI unit that can be said as "formed/established by the USA"
...
And it's also that, a long time ago, it happened that a Cambodian military unit is specifically/separately trained in PCT in Batujajar (Indonesian SF Training and Education Center), not put among TNI PCT students ---> T.N : a special PCT session just to train Cambodian.
The same thing happened for a Laos/Laotian military unit from General Kong Lee's faction.
Also a unit from the Malaysian Army.
But since a long time ago, such thing never happened anymore.





Original :

Nope bro, special for cambodia and yemen, its special forces are trained by kopassus.. not only an usual training like others..

[Aghost]

I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg

[abarky]

Dirgahayu Indonesia ...

[DavidDCM]

I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg

Indodefence 2008 was a prototype with the turret of Scorpion 90.

[karbol]

MERDEKA....!! Happy Independence day!!:)

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/proklamasi_indonesia_1.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/proklamasi2.jpg

[ggk]

happy independence day Indonesia!

[fcaesarn]

I heard that the government had develop panser canon under South Korea assistance, I think this one is. If Im not mistaken the caliber is 105 mm or maybe anyone had leaked info about this...

Panser canon scale model
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff329/masmass/DSCF4214.jpg
Credit to Masmass

Panser canon CAD drawing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2968671274_e26eb29fc8_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2968691562_ef7ee6e6e2_o.png

And it's different with the one displayed at Indodefence 2008, the previous one had 90 mm caliber
http://www.angkasa-online.com/photo/image/CANON%20PINDAD.jpg


Maybe it will be built under rotem chasis platform, not using the renault chasis platform which are used by the one exist in Indodefence 2008...

[mr. kurien]

i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

[ZAYYANA]

i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

I forgot look like Terrex, could you please show me the pics... Thanks

[mr. kurien]

I forgot look like Terrex, could you please show me the pics... Thanks

it look like this and i think it have the same design with the one that built by the Turkey, YAVUZ

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/SiUNxzHqsMI/AAAAAAAABuQ/aOk2i4O4i0U/s400/singaporeterrexck6.jpg

[ZAYYANA]

it look like this and i think it have the same design with the one that built by the Turkey

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_En-sxfOkXP8/SiUNxzHqsMI/AAAAAAAABuQ/aOk2i4O4i0U/s400/singaporeterrexck6.jpg
Yeah... it would be cool for the indonesian army.... it have amphibious capability too... hope soon it will happen

[mr. kurien]

in Singapore, TERREX will be in SAF services around 2010. thats what i heard. had a few chat with a friend from Singapore and he told me about this.

[karbol]

i heard that PT PINDAD going to produce TERREX by license from Singapore. is it true?

was interesting yes... but the goverment then choose Renault to assist Pindad built ANOA... as for Panser Kanon, there will be help from Korea...

[mr. kurien]

was interesting yes... but the goverment then choose Renault to assist Pindad built ANOA... as for Panser Kanon, there will be help from Korea...

In other words, PT PINDAD will not produce TERREX. is it?

[karbol]

In other words, PT PINDAD will not produce TERREX. is it?

yup... but i dont know why. also why the gov choose 6 wheeled and not 8 wheeled...?

also i think the new Panser Kanon will enter Yonkav 7 to replace the V-150...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/V105-2.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/V105-1.jpg

[bambu runcing]

yup... but i dont know why. also why the gov choose 6 wheeled and not 8 wheeled...?

also i think the new Panser Kanon will enter Yonkav 7 to replace the V-150...



Mr Budi Santosa, former CEO of Pindad (know CEO of PT DI), once told me that Pindad didn't want to build a large Panser. We refer to a Korean panser displayed in Indo Defense November 2006 at Kemayoran.

I don't remember whether it was Daewoo or Hyundai... wait, I'll give the picture from their CD given to me.

Yup... it was a Doosan, a 8x8 APV.

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/DOOSANMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVehicl.jpg

First time I saw Doosan, I thought it was derived from Stryker....

and the 6x6 Doosan maybe little bit smaller than the 8x8

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/DOOSANMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVeh-1.jpg

They also displayed Hyundai Rotem KW1 6x6, the same size as Doosan
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/ROTEMMultiRoleArmoredWheeledVehicle.jpg

''It is too big for Indonesian road,'' said Budi Santosa.

But myself found that Doosan was very comfortable compare to Anoa that still in development that day. It biggger and comfortable. I have tried the cabin of Anoa prototype (Panser type 0) on 5th Oct 2005, the first time they are displayed to the public in Cilangkap.

But for the panser kanon, Budi said it might be developed on 8x8 chassis... we still don't know as Pindad's panser kanon will be assisted by Hyundai who also develop KW1 6x6 panser with canon...

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv253/bambu99/KW1HyundaiROTEM.jpg

[fcaesarn]

yup... but i dont know why. also why the gov choose 6 wheeled and not 8 wheeled...?

also i think the new Panser Kanon will enter Yonkav 7 to replace the V-150...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/V105-2.jpg

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/ritanava/V105-1.jpg

Nope bro...
Anoa 6X6 will be used to replace the FV 603 saracen

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/TNI-AD/SARACEN.jpg

While the Anoa 6X6 canon will be used to replace the FV601 saladin

http://edisukarno.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/yon-kav.jpg

[jed125]

They show you all the cool pics and leave out the pics where they have old surplus rifles and equipment.

[karbol]

Nope bro...
Anoa 6X6 will be used to replace the FV 603 saracen



While the Anoa 6X6 canon will be used to replace the FV601 saladin



not really bro...

the V-150 (cannon version) will replace Saladin. V-150 APC/ VAB will replace saracen. the Yonkav 7 got a new toys...

all saracen/saladin/ feret will be retired.. it's about time isn't it...

[karbol]

http://i30.tinypic.com/33uvhax.jpg


http://i29.tinypic.com/2cdcu2q.jpg


http://i25.tinypic.com/20s69nl.jpg


http://i26.tinypic.com/347gtj5.jpg


http://i27.tinypic.com/tarleh.jpg




from todays pics... thx to Vaman...

those are very nice SS-1...

[karbol]

Indonesia International Fleet review 2009 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6EOImqrCRA

enjoy...p-)

[fcaesarn]

Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/37/11699.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3576/11697.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3079/11700b.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3162/11709w.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/640/11705z.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/681/11710.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8774/11712a.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/180/11703.jpg

[fcaesarn]

Credit to spej@kaskus

Sail Bunaken Pics- Indonesia Fleet Review

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2404_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2345_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2359_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2361_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2372_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2373_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2380_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2395_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2425_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2507_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2512_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2520_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2579_resize.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/spej2001/IMG_2585_resize.jpg

[bambu runcing]

in SBY's biografi, before his graduation from Military Academy SBY was confuse when he must made a decision to choose between Kostrad or Kopassus, two best units in the Army. As the best graduate, he was free to chose in which unit he want to joint.

It was God chose for him. The year SBY was graduated, Kopassus still yet open the submission. There he went to Kostrad.....
And now, after 36 year SBY finally become Kopassus, in a way or another

But Sir, that was an old rifle since you was in Timor Timur
It is nice if your acceptance in Kopassus to be compensated with some modern goodies for Kopassus. Since your brother in law is the commander general of Kopassus, I think let it be discussed between families....

Welcome aboard Kopassus Sir...



Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info (http://www.presidensby.info)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/37/11699.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3576/11697.jpg

[ggk]

Kopassus and SBY

www.presidensby.info (http://www.presidensby.info)

















http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/180/11703.jpg

keren....... nice car!!!

[ggk]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to send all my Muslim mp.net friends in Indonesia a Ramadhan wish, Selamat Menjalani Ibadah Puasa everyone .

[karbol]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to send all my Muslim mp.net friends in Indonesia a Ramadhan wish, Selamat Menjalani Ibadah Puasa everyone .

happy Ramadhan to you to bro... mohon maaf lahir batin. selamat menunaikan Ibadah puasa...:)

[karbol]

some pics from Indonesia International Fleet review 2009..

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR238.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR252.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR242.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR259.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR261.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR237.jpg

the sunset... :)
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/IFR274.jpg

[ggk]

....oh and happy birthday Indonesia! that 3000 divers saluting the flag underwater are awesome!

[sepia]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8084/11707.jpg
I want to know about badge and insignia of Indonesia.Please tell me to website about it. :-( What is the badges in his coat? :|

[fcaesarn]

Do you all have any information regarding the pindad ss-1 smugilng o philipine?? Just saw the footage last night on national tv...

[Aghost]

Do you all have any information regarding the pindad ss-1 smugilng o philipine?? Just saw the footage last night on national tv...

Quote:
The M/V Captain Ufuk originated in Turkey, passed through Indonesia, and was en route to the port of Batangas south of Manila when it was found carrying five crates of Indonesian-made Galil assault rifles, 45 bayonets and 120 empty gun magazines, officials said.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9636/610xwey.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4281/610xrvx.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1349/610xbvb.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8625/610xion.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7643/610xtgp.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9779/610xwsw.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7079/610xd.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4948/610xtmq.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8789/610xqdk.jpg

Credit to RubenLaden Kaskus.

All I can say is oh my god that's really SS-1....

[4n664]

Quote:
The M/V Captain Ufuk originated in Turkey, passed through Indonesia, and was en route to the port of Batangas south of Manila when it was found carrying five crates of Indonesian-made Galil assault rifles, 45 bayonets and 120 empty gun magazines, officials said.



Credit to RubenLaden Kaskus.

All I can say is oh my god that's really SS-1....



Galil assault rifle??
Anyway look at the bright side, who knows the Philippines ARMY will like it.

[ayanami_tard]

blame the reporter

and about the AR,well since it also shoot 5.56mm(and i don't think indonesia is reluctant to sell spare part),so yeah i kinda think this could be a good change to the sweet emsixteen(and i don't think indonesia will ask filipino official to return the rifle anyway)

[Jagi]

About the Panser Kanon 105,would it also be a good replacement for AMX-13s as an artilery unit?

For Saladin,Saracen and Ferret replacement it would be better to use Anoa series rather than going through diff. models as it would incur more costs in the future,not to mention the ever important maintanance cost...

Apparently,it will take the army apprx. 40years since those trios first entered service to figure out the their replacements....hmm

[Ominae]

Bah, just give them to our boys. We need them to take care of our insurgencies. :D

[junglejim]

We are not looking to replace the M-16 anytime soon and we have thousands in stock of unused ones. It doesnt change the fact that someone stole sticks from the Indonesians arsenal.

[bambu runcing]

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

Lt Col Castro : Gee.. it looks sturdier than my own M-16...
Damn, it feels heavy. Those Indonesian soldier must had pretty good work out...

[ZAYYANA]

Cool.... , now world would know that Indonesian Rifles are good.... at least "some people" wanna to collect it.

[Jagi]

Cool.... , now world would know that Indonesian Rifles are good.... at least "some people" wanna to collect it.

Well,ours is cheap but it doesnt mean its crap right..like AKs but not as famous...:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[karbol]

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/BO-1.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/BO-2.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/barong1978/BO-3.jpg

[Master Chief]

Lemme try.

Right chest:
Top: Commando qualification badge, from AF’s Korpaskhas.
Left: Advanced Combat Parachute wing (AF’s Korpaskhas)
Right: Pathfinder qualification badge (Army’s Kopassus)
Above the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Navy’s Kopaska)
Below the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Marines’ Taifib)
Right pocket: Unknown, but it’s said “Jungle Expert”

Left chest:
Top: Commando chest qualification badge (Kopassus)
Middle: Army Airborne wing, Jumpmaster
Above pocket: looks like AF Jumpmaster wing (I’m not sure)
On pocket cover: Scuba qualification badge, but unsure from which unit
Left pocket: Navy Basic Combat Swimmer qualification badge

I don't know which ones are real, which ones are "honoris causa". He is the Chief.


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8084/11707.jpg
I want to know about badge and insignia of Indonesia.Please tell me to website about it. :-( What is the badges in his coat? :|

[Master Chief]

It should not be difficult to track down.
Get all the manufacturer's S/N of these riffles. Then Pindad should be able to tell to whom they sold them to.

My guess, it's one of TNI's 3rd party private "broker" companies.


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2242/610xvai.jpg

Lt Col Castro : Gee.. it looks sturdier than my own M-16...
Damn, it feels heavy. Those Indonesian soldier must had pretty good work out...

[Jagi]

Any info on PTDI and their continued NBell lineup production? Any chance TNI might procur another squadron of this bird>>>>?

[ggk]

i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.

[gungho]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3162/11709w.jpg



anyone please identify the NVGs they're wearing, never seen those types before, looks very simple though, a combination of PVA14 & Aimpoint Comp M3 haha.. thanks before..

ah, and a note that they're already using MICH as the standard helmets, no more PASGT then, yaaaaay :)

[bambu runcing]

From my point of view, I encourage Pindad to export their products regardless it may ended in the hand of freedom fighters, terrorists, separatists, political opportunist, tourists.... Only this way SS-1 can be remembered as weapon of the people (bedil sejuta umat).....p-)


i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.

[bambu runcing]

In two years, PT DI will deliver 10 NBell-412 for TNI AD (6) and Basarnas/National SAR Forces (4).

just trace back this thread to my post in page 244
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75559&page=244


Any info on PTDI and their continued NBell lineup production? Any chance TNI might procur another squadron of this bird>>>>?

[jed125]

why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

[Master Chief]

I don't know what country this is. That's a tough question. :bash:



why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

[sepia]

Lemme try.

Right chest:
Top: Commando qualification badge, from AF’s Korpaskhas.
Left: Advanced Combat Parachute wing (AF’s Korpaskhas)
Right: Pathfinder qualification badge (Army’s Kopassus)
Above the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Navy’s Kopaska)
Below the name badge: Chest qualification badge (Marines’ Taifib)
Right pocket: Unknown, but it’s said “Jungle Expert”

Left chest:
Top: Commando chest qualification badge (Kopassus)
Middle: Army Airborne wing, Jumpmaster
Above pocket: looks like AF Jumpmaster wing (I’m not sure)
On pocket cover: Scuba qualification badge, but unsure from which unit
Left pocket: Navy Basic Combat Swimmer qualification badge

I don't know which ones are real, which ones are "honoris causa". He is the Chief.Thanks you BRO for answer woot :hug: .But I want to know website about Indonesia's insignia,path,badge ,please :-( .

[junglejim]

i notice theres no marking on the ss1. So it was not stolen from any weapon depot....must be straight from the factory.


which would indicate a bigger problem for Indonesia rather than the Philippines. As for the Philippine Army choosing the SS-1, sorry but they evaluated the FN before and didnt like it. So far they are happy with the M-16.

[Aghost]

why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

[DizBukHaPeter]

why is only one guy wearing a gas mask and the others not? and notice in the first photo the guys aimpoit on his MP5 is crooked, maybe somenbody should let him know. And what country is this, anybody please?

It's an equipment display for the press and officials, that's why some are wearing gas masks and others are not. The aimpoint is a non-issue.

[Master Chief]

In the Phillipines, all people love M16; government army, renegade rogue army, lefty guerillas, right-wing guerillas...

Only in the Philippines, the communist guerillas love M16 more than AK47...


which would indicate a bigger problem for Indonesia rather than the Philippines. As for the Philippine Army choosing the SS-1, sorry but they evaluated the FN before and didnt like it. So far they are happy with the M-16.

[Master Chief]

Now I see the flag. I'm wondering & didn't know that Monaco people look like Asians.



What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

[gungho]

haha.. yep, Indonesia has got the same flag as Monaco.. completely different set up though

[toukairin]

Now I see the flag. I'm wondering & didn't know that Monaco people look like Asians.

haha, Monaco and Indonesia's flag has different length/width ratio.

From answers.yahoo :
The Indonesian flag's dimensions are 2:3. Monaco's flag's dimensions are 4:5 (more squarer)

[ayanami_tard]

in before somebody mentioned about polandp-)

[CrimsonPig]

What country is this? I think somebody join the wrong thread here hahaha..

Mate you should see the flag patched on the president shoulder.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2833/11704.jpg

Greetings! I'm new here in MP.net.Just want to know more about the bleeding pattern camouflage.Who uses it in the Indonesian military,How did they come up with the pattern and a bit of history please.I like this pattern I think it's very unique.Thanks very much!:)

[501st_airborne]

anyone please identify the NVGs they're wearing, never seen those types before, looks very simple though, a combination of PVA14 & Aimpoint Comp M3 haha.. thanks before..

ah, and a note that they're already using MICH as the standard helmets, no more PASGT then, yaaaaay :)

I think those are LIPI (Indonesia Science Institute?) made NVGs.

found the pics on the net:

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/Teropong_LIPI-1.jpg


http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/nvgmarinir1.jpg

[ZAYYANA]

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/ahmadkhomaeni/nvgmarinir1.jpg

Syukur banget Lensa nya dah ditutup, klo nggak buta deh..... masa'an siang2 makenya...

[karbol]

I think those are LIPI (Indonesia Science Institute?) made NVGs.

found the pics on the net:






i wonder, are they sell it freely? those NVG's are looking good for airsoft game...:)