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Johanus Bau
05-17-2008, 12:53 AM
Fantastic pictures about the IFVs... cool!

I found a pic the other day. Is this the Sea Hunter built by Fasharkan? I see three engines and cabin is big enough for AC.. must be it ya kan? See TNI AL webpage description:

Sedangkan data teknis kedua Patkamla tipe Sea Hunter yang diserahkan kepada masing-masing Lanal adalah sebagai berikut : tahun produksi 2007, panjang keseluruhan 12,00 meter, lebar tengah kapal 2,60 meter, tinggi geladak 1,20 meter, sarat 0,49 meter, kapasitas penumpang 15 personel, kapasitas bahan bakar 1000 liter, mesin penggerak pokok 3 x 200 PK (outborad machine), diesel generator 1 x 5 KVA, kecepatan maksimum 38 knot (hasil uji coba 40,4 knot), kecepatan jelajah 25 knot, Endurance (Kecep. Mkas) 3,5 jam, alat Navigasi Magnetic Compass, Radar dengan range 16 mile GPS dan Echo sounder, alat Komunikasi VHF Marine transceiver ICOM IC M302, alat Akomodasi Kursi Penumpang 15 personel, Air Condioning 2 PK dan Kamar kecil, Alat Keselamatan Swim vest 15 buah dan Powder 2 buah , perlengkapan lain Fondasi senjata 12,7 mm dan Jangkar 16 kg.

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/news/2%20kpl%20patkamla%207-4-08.jpg

makavelli
05-17-2008, 02:34 AM
You are not allowed to take pictures & videos for the interior of the buildings, doors, windows, stairs, CCTV cameras, power junction box, comm antennas, assembly lines, hitech machineries & other sensitive items.

For the final products, e.g. APS 6x6 in the yard, rifles in the shooting range & planes in hangar, I don't see why it's forbidden, do you ?
well, it depends...
i visited pindad around 2 years ago...
They check for ID and at that time i dont have any ID except my Aust passport..(I left my Indonesian passport at Jakarta)
yet, i manage to take some photos..p-)

samourai
05-17-2008, 04:19 AM
hehehe... i'm fine thx. when you will back to indonesia? about 2 weeks ago, me and my friend visit PINDAD... it's very amazing!! ride the new 6X6 APC, shot few round of SS-2, P-3 (pistol) and (the most amazing...) shot the SPR-2!!! (12,7mm Heavy Sniper Riffle)... i will post the pics later...

I'm very exciting to see the SPR 2 (12,7 x 99) and the new machinegun in 5,56 x 45 mm, because two years ago when I went to indonesia I can't see them.

gamez99
05-18-2008, 02:43 AM
kopassus (CT mode) pictures,

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/kopassuskartika2004f.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/kopassuskartika2004e.jpg


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/5646546546.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/20080416051747ENLUS0131589012083230.jpg

enjoy..

gamez99
05-18-2008, 03:06 AM
detasemen khusus 88 (detachment 88) the most mysterious anti terror personels from polri..

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/180px-Detasemen_Khusus_88_operators.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/180px-Detasemen_Khusus_88_apprehens.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/det88acg.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/anti-terror.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/detachment88_antiterrorist.gif

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/det88acc.gif

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/det88acj.jpg

enjoy...

Yahoo!
05-19-2008, 04:06 AM
^^i dont much about technical. but my friend said (he is an auto designer) the 1st version is simply a truck with armour. the engine also from ISUZU... the 2nd, i dont know... but i think the 3rd version is the more pretty then the other.. hehehe

Sorry I also not technical. How you know this is 3rd version? Is it because of the look? how to know the way the it moves?

BTW, this BTR-50 is able to swim up to 1.5m?

Master Chief
05-19-2008, 06:52 AM
kopassus (CT mode) pictures,

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/5646546546.jpg

enjoy..

This is my favourite Kopassus' live demonstration drill.
The two squads face each other within 15feet. Very next to each one of them, there is a black board made of bullet proof steel plate & colorful balloons sticked to it. Then using their MP5s, each squad shoot the opponent's balloons using live 9mm bullets.

This is demonstrating Kopassus' capability in Close-Quarter Combat & their steel-cold nerve system.

Very-very awesome...

Master Chief
05-19-2008, 06:57 AM
detasemen khusus 88 (detachment 88) the most mysterious anti terror personels from polri..

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/anti-terror.jpg

enjoy...

This picture: they could be Den88 AT, could be regular Brimob wearing balaclavas. We can't tell exactly.

makavelli
05-19-2008, 09:16 AM
@gamez99, all of your pics are repost..
better check early pages before mod gives you warning..

anyway, welcome aboard mate..

501st_airborne
05-19-2008, 11:58 AM
Hi All, I'm a newbie... So I'm happy to join here..

Just for your info, This teaser is made by Indonesian Movie Director (Jose Purnomo) who has a plan to make a movie about Kopassus Soldier. He has an approval from Kopassus General at that time (Mid 2006), and try to make a teaser for its marketing tools to gain Investor.. But Till now, there is no investor who interested to make this movie due to a high cost budget they demand.. Hope, Jose will get an investor soon...

Is Jose already try to approach TW? wkwkwkw kidding

I think he should approach Sampoerna or other cigarette baron.. 10 billion rups is nothing for them.

gamez99
05-19-2008, 12:17 PM
@gamez99, all of your pics are repost..
better check early pages before mod gives you warning..

anyway, welcome aboard mate..

sorry for my mistake.. :cantbeli:
i will check the early pages of this thread.

darkpole
05-20-2008, 12:10 AM
Hi all, been away for a while. Does anybody know any specs or info about 'Buaya' light vehicle made by Maesa PT44 manufacturer? Thanks.

ZAYYANA
05-20-2008, 12:57 AM
well, it depends...
i visited pindad around 2 years ago...
They check for ID and at that time i dont have any ID except my Aust passport..(I left my Indonesian passport at Jakarta)
yet, i manage to take some photos..p-)

You are kidding right...? Indonesian couldn't have two nationality except for the "Indo" but it's also till their age 17 years old, after that they must choose their own nationality.

Tunasa
05-20-2008, 01:38 AM
Officially you are right, but in practice some people has 2 nationalities; especially those who live overseas. It is fine as long as the immigration doesn't know, and even if they know there is a chance that you can pay them to keep quite.

ZAYYANA
05-20-2008, 01:50 AM
Officially you are right, but in practice some people has 2 nationalities; especially those who live overseas. It is fine as long as the immigration doesn't know, and even if they know there is a chance that you can pay them to keep quite.

Another major problem in Indonesia, "Corruption". Please don't keep it like that.

makavelli
05-20-2008, 05:50 AM
You are kidding right...? Indonesian couldn't have two nationality except for the "Indo" but it's also till their age 17 years old, after that they must choose their own nationality.
well, you should know the trick...
*swap passport during your transit..p-)

as a matter of fact, theres a lot of people that ive known got double passport since ages...:)

it wont cost you more than 1 million rupiah to make a passport in any immigration office though.


Another major problem in Indonesia, "Corruption". Please don't keep it like that.

not corruption really..
theres a hole in the rule that you can legally use for your benefit.
Indonesia did not use electronic passport, and they stamp it manually at the airport while many other countries such as spore, malaysia, australia, etc used electronic database.
Im a legal Indonesian from my family background and legal Australian from my status...
Ive applied both passport legally and lots of gov official knew that and they have nothing to say...(*klo dilihat dari segi economic growth Indo masih di bawah 6 persen)

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 07:34 AM
This is my favourite Kopassus' live demonstration drill.
The two squads face each other within 15feet. Very next to each one of them, there is a black board made of bullet proof steel plate & colorful balloons sticked to it. Then using their MP5s, each squad shoot the opponent's balloons using live 9mm bullets.

This is demonstrating Kopassus' capability in Close-Quarter Combat & their steel-cold nerve system.

Very-very awesome...

Here are the pictures ... to make sure my descriptions is clear.
You see how close the balloons are to the guys.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Shootingskills2.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Shootingskills.jpg

ggk
05-20-2008, 08:00 AM
mmm whos face on the board? looks like osama...any zoom in?

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 08:04 AM
Hi all, been away for a while. Does anybody know any specs or info about 'Buaya' light vehicle made by Maesa PT44 manufacturer? Thanks.

Please check out: http://www.pacifictec.net/product.htm

Has anybody seen the PT44 Buaya with Indonesian troops riding on it ?

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 08:08 AM
mmm whos face on the board? looks like osama...any zoom in?

No, Encik. The face has blind fold, representing a hostage. The balloons are representing terrorist's face/head/body/limbs around the hostage.

ggk
05-20-2008, 08:12 AM
lol ok sorry....great shooting....imho you can only do this using MP5...bcoz almost no recoil.

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 08:43 AM
this is picture of RPP,

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/rppmca7.jpg

anyone knows about RPP??

The above picture is the current version of RPP (RPP V2 ?) which is manufactured by Pindad.

The original RPP was created in 2003 by Balitbang Dephan (R&D DoD), Bengpuspalad (Maintenance dept of Army) & FT-UI (Engineering Faculty, University of Indonesia).

The original pic (also seen in page 18):
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RPP_mod1.jpg

The specs (in Bahasa Indonesia):
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Land%20armor/RPPver1.jpg

DavidDCM
05-20-2008, 09:13 AM
More shots of that vehicle:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3903/imgp0767bn9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4117/imgp0769mr0.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9028/imgp0768zl1.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1904/imgp0770cu3.jpg

ggk
05-20-2008, 09:27 AM
aaah leather seat...the designer have style..

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 11:07 PM
aaah leather seat...the designer have style..

Negative. It's an imitation leather as people call it. It's cheap, semi water-proof, easy to clean but not that durable & makes you sweating. This synthetic fabric is normally found on the standard model of economic car or city taxi.

Well, it's luxurious enough for soldiers in the field.

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 11:28 PM
More shots of that vehicle:



http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9028/imgp0768zl1.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1904/imgp0770cu3.jpg
Some comments if I may:
The driver console is very basic & flat, but I think it will serve it's purpose.
The windshield size is, again, too small. The designer & constructor were not able to overcome the restriction of the bullet-proof glass size (& weight) & the frame to support it. There are so many blind-spots. Driving this vehicle on the winding & hilly road is very challenging to avoid the vehicle jumping off the track. Driving in the city roads, it's more hazardous.
Plenty of room between passengers' knees, as well as overhead space. Good job. Though the gunner might need a stand to man his gun.
The tan color interior makes it looks a bit luxury.
The AC blower for the passengers most likely is taken from the existing Toyota Kijang. :)

Master Chief
05-20-2008, 11:39 PM
lol ok sorry....great shooting....imho you can only do this using MP5...bcoz almost no recoil.

Just wondering if GGK (Group Gerak Khas) have ever done the same daredevils stunt performance ?

ggk
05-21-2008, 01:14 AM
Just wondering if GGK (Group Gerak Khas) have ever done the same daredevils stunt performance ?

Not GGK, but ive seen VAT69 do almost the same thing...
(someday i post it in MAF spec ops topic, dont want to derailed this topic with malaysian pic)

if you ask me ...it is totally unnecessary and dangerous... everyone know if you a special forces such as Kopassus or GGK, you will be very proficient in fire arms... no need demonstration like this to prove it. But hey...who are we to complain...lol ...

aneep
05-21-2008, 07:52 AM
great pics all around, very informative

offtopic, but answering the question
about confidence shooting, i have seen almost Malaysian SF does it, UTK, PASKAU, etc,
GGK just did theirs during the Sultan of Brunei visit recently (after he got the PASKHAS beret)
the basic equipments are of course, balloons
next is where you put them...

-aneep-

samourai
05-22-2008, 12:59 AM
many thanks "aries" for this pictures !

gamez99
05-22-2008, 02:20 AM
Hi all, been away for a while. Does anybody know any specs or info about 'Buaya' light vehicle made by Maesa PT44 manufacturer? Thanks.


The PT44 Buaya (Crocodile) is a small all terrain multi purpose vehicle with permanent four wheel drive (4X4). The platform is so versatile, it can be used for a multitude of tasks where mobility is an issue. It will climb over 70% gradient and vertical step of 400mm. It is a hull type vehicle with the engine and driveline contained within the hull. This enable the Buaya to float.
The vehicle is designed to be fully air portable and air droppable and it is amphibious and exerts low ground pressure enabling it to traverse rough terrain whilst able to carry 1 operator and 3 crews. A special floatation kit is needed for safer waterborne operations when fully loaded. Top speed is 35 Kph on dry land.
Buaya will carry load of 500 Kilogram and at the same time it will pull a further load of 500 Kilogram.
With an approach angle of 62º, departure angle of 68º under vehicle angle of 131º and ground clearance of 325mm, the Buaya is capable travelling over the most difficult rocky ground or cover areas where there are no roads.
The Buaya can be equipped with a wide range of weaponry.
Static Slope 100%
Dynamic Side Slope 40%
Turning Circle 10 metre
Fording 600mm before floating


here the pictures of PT44 buaya,


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/1_PT44-Buaya-1.jpg


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/1_PT44-Buaya-4.jpg


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/rightimage-prod-06.jpg

darkpole
05-22-2008, 03:09 AM
Thanks gamez99, how about 'Buaya' amphibious vehicle that seen on pacifictec website. Any further info or picture of it?

darkpole
05-22-2008, 04:11 AM
ups sorry double post..very poor internet connection here..

ggk
05-22-2008, 07:06 AM
i like the assault rifle...it looks like a super ak47..

aswp01
05-22-2008, 01:17 PM
The SPR-2 reminds me of the French "Hecate" sniper rifle. Is there any chance that PINDAD took the idea from it?

DavidDCM
05-22-2008, 05:05 PM
Maybe yes, maybe not. Unless you're a Pindad engineer working in the small arms section you can not know. So it's pretty useless to discuss such speculations.

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http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/Mulanmulan/Formil/5889fa49.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/Mulanmulan/Formil/34023748.jpg

BM-14 140mm rocket artillery system.

fcaesarn
05-24-2008, 02:22 AM
i like the assault rifle...it looks like a super ak47..

Some says it's a combination between 3 different rifles which are Ak-47, M-16, and also SS-1..

fcaesarn
05-24-2008, 07:41 AM
Pindad Pistol Rifle in English?

I heard of the caliber somewhere before. I'll have to double check.

Question though on the SM-3? When was it made?

Pistol Serbu = Assault Pistol/Gun..
It isn't developed by Pindad, The Army's Center of Research did its development..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/imagesphp.jpg

I think SM-3 is one of the newest product made by Pindad, I'm quite not sure about the exact year, but its the newest machine gun they developed...

Ominae
05-24-2008, 09:47 PM
Probably developed since last year in 2007?

And yeah, thanks for the heads up on the Pistol Serbu.

fcaesarn
05-25-2008, 11:51 AM
Some of TNI advertising in national TV channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISnAin09No

Kopassus
05-27-2008, 06:04 AM
Makasih faecesarns! TNI needs to make more propagandamovies!

Master Chief
05-28-2008, 03:30 AM
Makasih faecesarns! TNI needs to make more propagandamovies!

A politically-correct way to say: TNI need to make more PR advertisements.

equilibrium37
05-30-2008, 06:52 AM
Well done. Nice pictures. Thanks for the post karbol.

make sure to PM me if you have an extra pass to get into Pindad. ;)

makavelli
05-30-2008, 07:51 AM
Last time singleton TNI won the third place...
just because of the ss1 that often jams if im not mistaken..

ZAYYANA
05-31-2008, 10:05 AM
Karbol, do you have more pictures about these tournament..?

Tempest
06-01-2008, 12:08 AM
Some of TNI advertising in national TV channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISnAin09No

Hidup rakyat Indonesia
woot

Kopassus
06-03-2008, 09:40 AM
Dumb...but deadly...

aswp01
06-03-2008, 12:08 PM
[quote=karbol;3290875]sukhoi with dumb bomb...:-(

Wow! Finally pictures of the Sukhois with weapons!

Do you have any more pics about the Sukhois with weaponries? Great stuff!

karbol
06-04-2008, 05:33 AM
^^sorry, i dont have more pics about sukhoi and their weapon. but i think, soon there will be a lot of pics of our sukhoi during LATGAB siaga yudha...

Kopassus
06-04-2008, 10:19 AM
Beberapa hari lalu pswt Disnerbal ini mampir di Polonia.
http://85.17.151.111/262200001-262250000/262246901-262247000/262246922_5_z4en.jpeg

karbol
06-04-2008, 10:42 AM
^^good pics kopassus... but i though all N22 are retired??

Kopassus
06-04-2008, 11:23 AM
Belum, that day two N22s visited Polonia(P842 dan P831).

Kopassus
06-06-2008, 05:48 AM
Trims banget Karbol!

Beberapa foto lagi dari N22.
http://85.17.151.123/263750001-263800000/263791601-263791700/263791680_5_5Qwt.jpeg

http://85.17.151.181/263750001-263800000/263792101-263792200/263792162_5_2iyh.jpeg

Tadi pagi
http://85.17.225.104/263800001-263850000/263808101-263808200/263808103_5_yNYj.jpeg

Ronguild
06-06-2008, 06:38 AM
This thread is not the best one of the forum, and if you can't even use the english language it could rapidly become the worst.
Thank you to be, at least, respectful to the others members.


"If you can't be clever be polite"

Java Jongen
06-07-2008, 01:00 AM
Trims banget Karbol!

Beberapa foto lagi dari N22.
http://85.17.151.123/263750001-263800000/263791601-263791700/263791680_5_5Qwt.jpeg

http://85.17.151.181/263750001-263800000/263792101-263792200/263792162_5_2iyh.jpeg

Tadi pagi
http://85.17.225.104/263800001-263850000/263808101-263808200/263808103_5_yNYj.jpeg
new colour....finally !!:)

Yahoo!
06-07-2008, 02:27 AM
This is picture of KRI Cakra. She is suppose to be taking part in exercise.

ggk
06-07-2008, 03:45 AM
This thread is not the best one of the forum, and if you can't even use the english language it could rapidly become the worst.
Thank you to be, at least, respectful to the others members.


"If you can't be clever be polite"

i dont understand

fcaesarn
06-07-2008, 05:58 AM
This is picture of KRI Cakra. She is suppose to be taking part in exercise.

This picture were taken when the navy personnel installed SUT for the military war game which will be held this month...

Tempest
06-07-2008, 10:48 AM
This picture were taken when the navy personnel installed SUT for the military war game which will be held this month...

Rare pics... please post more!

Kopassus
06-08-2008, 08:50 AM
This is picture of KRI Cakra. She is suppose to be taking part in exercise.
Ah, for the Latgab, the greatest exercise of the year.

Latgab TNI yang dilaksanakan menandai seabad Kebangkitan Nasional dan satu dasawarsa reformasi internal TNI itu melibatkan prajurit di lingkungan Mabes TNI 2.418 orang, TNI Angkatan Darat 10.388 orang, TNI Angkatan Laut 13.150 orang, dan TNI Angkatan Udara 4.615 orang.

Ronguild
06-08-2008, 09:22 AM
Latgab TNI yang dilaksanakan menandai seabad Kebangkitan Nasional dan satu dasawarsa reformasi internal TNI itu melibatkan prajurit di lingkungan Mabes TNI 2.418 orang, TNI Angkatan Darat 10.388 orang, TNI Angkatan Laut 13.150 orang, dan TNI Angkatan Udara 4.615 orang.

Ah OK, that's clear.
Thank you for these interesting explanations.

karbol
06-08-2008, 08:24 PM
just want to post some pics... (not taken during the wargame)....

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/TNI-AL/FPB-57-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/TNI-AL/FPB-57-2.jpg

@kopassus: please note that this is an english forum...;)

Tunasa
06-10-2008, 01:33 AM
New paint? checked
Engine? checked
Avionic? checked
Flower? checked

fcaesarn
06-10-2008, 11:10 AM
Primary mission: maritime patrol, including anti-sub warfare.
Secondary mssion: VIP transport.

So, This plane is a VIP MPA (Very Important People Maritime Patrol Aircraft), So the maritime patrol operation will be conducted by the Indonesian VIP (President, General, etc)...

Is It True??

Tunasa
06-10-2008, 11:25 AM
The only way the higher ups will approve the budget is to phrase the plane as a semi VIP/MPA.

I wonder if the generals desire to use the plane in VIP function will patrol mission get canceled? How many MPA does the air force has?

Kopassus
06-10-2008, 11:33 AM
Efficient way to spend your money, pay 1 get 2 aircrafts....
So Karbol, it was no problem to make pictures inside our newest most hightech airplane we ever build? Is it also equipped with MAD for its ASW-role?

karbol
06-11-2008, 04:04 AM
Efficient way to spend your money, pay 1 get 2 aircrafts....
So Karbol, it was no problem to make pictures inside our newest most hightech airplane we ever build? Is it also equipped with MAD for its ASW-role?

no problem... but i won't share the pics inside the plane... except the flower offcourse...:)

makavelli
06-11-2008, 04:07 AM
well guys, this thread got lots of complaint in regard of the language..
I know its really hard to translate, at least try to do so since this is an english forum..

btw, any info on SIgma during the exercise?

caksz
06-11-2008, 05:53 AM
They do equip their ship with chinese ASM missile recently .. right ? any pics

aswp01
06-11-2008, 06:17 AM
well guys, this thread got lots of complaint in regard of the language..
I know its really hard to translate, at least try to do so since this is an english forum..

btw, any info on SIgma during the exercise?

I agree, we need to be considerate in expressing our opinion (including the language we use). This is indeed an English forum.

About the SIGMA ships, there are bits and pieces about the exercise. Best source so far is: http://www.alutsista.blogspot.com/

It is in Bahasa, though.

karbol
06-12-2008, 06:00 AM
thx a lot masterchief... u right. the korpmar learn this directly from USMC. i took this pics during the rehearsel for ceremony 100 years national awakening, last may.... if you see the TV show, the marine show up this silent drill...

Master Chief
06-12-2008, 07:26 AM
thx a lot masterchief... u right. the korpmar learn this directly from USMC. i took this pics during the rehearsel for ceremony 100 years national awakening, last may.... if you see the TV show, the marine show up this silent drill...

Karbol, are you a news photographer, a reporter or something ?

Anybody has the "Kormar silent drill" YouTube clips ?

ZAYYANA
06-12-2008, 07:48 AM
In USMC, it's called the Silent Drill. The name explains itself.
Gliding across the parade field like a well-oiled machine, snapping and popping, each Marine keeps time to a perfect rhythm beating inside his head. With white-gloved hands they grip their rifles, spinning and turning, razor sharp bayonets ever present, passing within inches of one another as they create this silent symphony of movement. One mis-step or hesitation could prove fatal. One error could thwart the reputation of the entire team and a legacy of more than 50 years of perfection.
There is a movement called "a secure" where each 14 1/2-inch long bayonet is placed within one inch of the opposite Marine's ear. The Marines demonstrate a series of calculated drill movements and precision handling of their had-polished 10 1/2-pound M-1 Garand rifles with fixed bayonets. The routine concludes with a unique rifle inspection involving elaborate rifle spins and tosses.
The Silent Drill Platoon first performed in 1948 and received such an overwhelming response that it soon became part of the routine parades in different venues.

The Kormar seem following this technique from USMC. Any YouTube clips ?

I'm not sure the rifles are M1 Garand... I'm sure they are SKS or other Russian/Soviet rifles.

ZAYYANA
06-12-2008, 07:51 AM
Ah, for the Latgab, the greatest exercise of the year.

Latgab TNI yang dilaksanakan menandai seabad Kebangkitan Nasional dan satu dasawarsa reformasi internal TNI itu melibatkan prajurit di lingkungan Mabes TNI 2.418 orang, TNI Angkatan Darat 10.388 orang, TNI Angkatan Laut 13.150 orang, dan TNI Angkatan Udara 4.615 orang.


Do you have the pictures of this LATGAB...?

karbol
06-12-2008, 08:11 PM
Karbol, are you a news photographer, a reporter or something ?

Anybody has the "Kormar silent drill" YouTube clips ?

i'm not a profesional news photographer... but yes i'm a journalist...

Master Chief
06-13-2008, 03:47 AM
I'm not sure the rifles are M1 Garand... I'm sure they are SKS or other Russian/Soviet rifles.

It's SKS indeed, most likely ex-Soviet from the Sukarno's era. Two SKS' distinctive features: (1) 10-rd *****per magazine clips loaded from the top of the receiver, (2) 180deg foldable bayonet.

USMC have been using M-1 Garand since the birth of the Silent Drill platoon. Most of TNI's M-1 Garand is under the Army disposal, whereas SKS rifles were more allocated to Kormar & Brimob.

Java Jongen
06-13-2008, 08:14 AM
Primary mission: maritime patrol, including anti-sub warfare.
Secondary mssion: VIP transport.
anti submarine warfare?? idon't think so...if anti surface warfare, yes because indonesian CN-235 MPA not equipped with Amascoss 300 radar, like UAE's MPA

Kopassus
06-13-2008, 08:46 AM
thx a lot masterchief... u right. the korpmar learn this directly from USMC. i took this pics during the rehearsel for ceremony 100 years national awakening, last may.... if you see the TV show, the marine show up this silent drill...
No, had to work at that moment. I have tried to search it on internet, but havent found it.:-(

karbol
06-13-2008, 08:07 PM
Do you have the pictures of this LATGAB...?

for latest pic u can open the TNI website, www.tni.mil.id ( http://www.tni.mil.id/gallery.php?q=dtl&cid=33 ). but not in hi-res... today i going to join up the wargame. i post the pics soon i get back...:)

henzai
06-15-2008, 12:19 AM
Do you have the pictures of this LATGAB...?

some pics

http://www.tni.mil.id/patriotweb/images/News/latihan_terjun.jpg

Den-Bravo paskas au- Special Unit from Airforce????
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/team5_photo/paskas-vgrip.png

Den-Bravo paskas au Special Unit from Airforce ???? or kopasus???
http://masbagus.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/satpasus.jpg

Den-Bravo paskas au????Special Unit from Airforce
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3262/terjunpayungdiranaiby3.jpg

seawolf
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7093/5batam10062008meninjaupjp9.jpg

cn235 in action
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/team5_photo/cn235_mil07.jpg

Kopaska...???? indonesian Navy Seals???
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8127/10batam10062008meninjauau4.jpg

arnx8
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6867/05skw070608penembakanarnx8.jpg

Puma AS-330
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/972/19natuna070608jundilanudm3.jpg


The Navy....
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/TNI-AL/armada.jpg




http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2568/tengmeluncurok1rk5.jpg

Ronguild
06-15-2008, 03:40 AM
MI17..???
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/972/19natuna070608jundilanudm3.jpg


No, PUMA AS-330.

RANEW
06-15-2008, 04:17 AM
some pics
http://www.military.cz/international/Submarine_Type209/images/yichon.jpg


Are those two warships TNI-AL ? If so, can anyone ID them pse ? I don't recognise the class.

Alfacentori
06-15-2008, 04:37 AM
Are those two warships TNI-AL ? If so, can anyone ID them pse ? I don't recognise the class.

According to my copy of Janes Warship Recognition Guide they look like Fatahillah class Frigates, built in the Netherlands.
Three active Fatahillah (361), Malahayati (362) and Nala (363), primary armament 1x 4.7inch Bofors and Exocet SSM's.
Can't be certain as they are too far away to read the pennant numbers but the profile looks right, hope that helps.

Alfa

henzai
06-15-2008, 05:10 AM
No, PUMA AS-330.

thx for correction.........

some other pic

hawk.....
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6538/grab1ix6.jpeg

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/14natuna-060608--hawk-100-i.jpg

infantry
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5620/grab2vl7.jpeg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4161/grab3nv1.jpeg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/854/grab4ay0.jpeg

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/17natuna-070608-pasrat-mari.jpg

recon........
http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/pengintaiandinatuna.jpg

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/natuna-050608--jun-tai-fib-.jpg

RANEW
06-15-2008, 05:25 AM
According to my copy of Janes Warship Recognition Guide they look like Fatahillah class Frigates, built in the Netherlands.
Three active Fatahillah (361), Malahayati (362) and Nala (363), primary armament 1x 4.7inch Bofors and Exocet SSM's.
Can't be certain as they are too far away to read the pennant numbers but the profile looks right, hope that helps.
Alfa

Yep that was my first gut reaction but I don't think they are the Fatahillah class. In the pic above, there are two (circled), the hull silhouette isn't the same.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/crouchy/armada.jpg
I'm wondering if that photo is of another Type 209 boat taken from another country ? Just curious.

RANEW
06-15-2008, 05:26 AM
Found that actual photo, it's a Korean type 209 hence the reason I couldn't recognise them as TNI-Al units. Check this page out :
http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Howitwasb11dxxx.html :)

Master Chief
06-15-2008, 05:32 AM
some other pic

recon........
http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/pengintaiandinatuna.jpg

http://www.tni.mil.id/images/gallery/Latgab%20TNI%202008/Foto/natuna-050608--jun-tai-fib-.jpg

These fellows are from Yontaifib Kormar (Amphibious Reccon Batallion, Marines). I hope on the real battle, they don't wear that tan jungle hats.

@Henzai, thanks for the pics. Are these pics taken from the current TNI's Latgab ?

Alfacentori
06-15-2008, 05:34 AM
Yep that was my first gut reaction but I don't think they are the Fatahillah class. In the pic above, there are two (circled), the hull silhouette isn't the same.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/crouchy/armada.jpg
I'm wondering if that photo is of another Type 209 boat taken from another country ? Just curious.

You might be right, now I take a closer I think they are South Korean Ulsan Class Frigates. SK also has 209 Class SSK's

What do you think? The radar between the forward superstructure and stack looks right?

Alfa

Alfacentori
06-15-2008, 05:35 AM
Found that actual photo, it's a Korean type 209 hence the reason I couldn't recognise them as TNI-Al units. Check this page out :
http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Howitwasb11dxxx.html :)

Damn you beat me! :)

Alfa

henzai
06-15-2008, 05:39 AM
Found that actual photo, it's a Korean type 209 hence the reason I couldn't recognise them as TNI-Al units. Check this page out :
http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/8thFW/Howitwasb11dxxx.html :)



These fellows are from Yontaifib Kormar (Amphibious Reccon Batallion, Marines). I hope on the real battle, they don't wear that tan jungle hats.

@Henzai, thanks for the pics. Are these pics taken from the current TNI's Latgab ?


the sub was not from latgab.....
i didnt check the link......n pic from military.cz definitely not latgab pic....:roll:
just grab from some blogs.....sory.....

http://www.military.cz/international/Submarine_Type209/images/yichon.jpg

Master Chief
06-15-2008, 05:57 AM
some pics

Den-Bravo paskas au- Special Unit from Airforce????
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/team5_photo/paskas-vgrip.png

Den-Bravo paskas au Special Unit from Airforce ???? or kopasus???
http://masbagus.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/satpasus.jpg

Kopaska...???? indonesian Navy Seals???
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8127/10batam10062008meninjauau4.jpg


Top:
From his attires, he is from Air-Force Korpaskhas' Den-Bravo.

Middle:
When these men wearing their blacks, it's hard to tell where they exactly come from. It could be Kopassus' Satgultor or Kormar's Denjaka or Navy's Kopaska or AF Korpaskhas' Den-Bravo. On this particular pic, the color of the beret at the far left looks red indeed, but it could be purple or orange.

Bottom:
same-o-same-o.

r0m8470
06-15-2008, 11:55 AM
They might be Fatahillah class. Note that one vessel (Nala) has a helipad (in the expense of aft 40mm Bofors gun). The near-ship is a non-heli version - definitely.

henzai
06-15-2008, 09:04 PM
new pic...

RBU_600 from KRI Cut Nyak Din-375

http://www.kompas.com/data//photo/2008/06/16/2847766p.jpg

the new C-802 also tested from KRI Layang-805....but...sory no pic....:|

r0m8470
06-16-2008, 12:34 AM
Does anybody know of any specific scenario that the Navy used to test the C-802? I recalled back in the late 80's the Navy test-fired a Harpoon off the Java sea with otht targeting. The target was an old Navy minesweeper (or tug boat?) - and the missile had to flew around an un-inhabited island.

Also does anybody heard about the failure of the point defence missile test? I read in another newspaper that the missiles were fired at flares from a Van Speijk class and a Sigma class boat. None of them hit their marks and the president himself was in attendance of the test .....

Master Chief
06-16-2008, 05:44 AM
Does anybody know of any specific scenario that the Navy used to test the C-802? I recalled back in the late 80's the Navy test-fired a Harpoon off the Java sea with otht targeting. The target was an old Navy minesweeper (or tug boat?) - and the missile had to flew around an un-inhabited island.

Also does anybody heard about the failure of the point defence missile test? I read in another newspaper that the missiles were fired at flares from a Van Speijk class and a Sigma class boat. None of them hit their marks and the president himself was in attendance of the test .....

The Chinese C-802 test is written in detail (in Bahasa Indonesia though): http://www.tni.mil.id/news.php?q=dtl&id=113012006118850
The destroyed "enemy ship" was the retired KRI Karang Galang which is now rest-in-pieces on the bottom of the ocean.

The AAROFEX test story is not there, maybe because it was not completely successful :oops:. It was not completely fail, either. Newspaper wrote: two from three shots missed the target. The AAROFEX tests were done using some anti-air rockets, not missiles, no ?

ZAYYANA
06-16-2008, 09:23 AM
some pics

http://www.tni.mil.id/patriotweb/images/News/latihan_terjun.jpg

Den-Bravo paskas au- Special Unit from Airforce????
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/team5_photo/paskas-vgrip.png

Den-Bravo paskas au Special Unit from Airforce ???? or kopasus???
http://masbagus.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/satpasus.jpg

Den-Bravo paskas au????Special Unit from Airforce
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3262/terjunpayungdiranaiby3.jpg

seawolf
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7093/5batam10062008meninjaupjp9.jpg

cn235 in action
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/team5_photo/cn235_mil07.jpg

Kopaska...???? indonesian Navy Seals???
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8127/10batam10062008meninjauau4.jpg

arnx8
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6867/05skw070608penembakanarnx8.jpg

Puma AS-330
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/972/19natuna070608jundilanudm3.jpg


The Navy....
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/TNI-AL/armada.jpg




http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2568/tengmeluncurok1rk5.jpg

I doubted these photographs was taken from this Latgab,
because I found it before from the other web.

gamez99
06-16-2008, 11:35 AM
the new C-802 also tested from KRI Layang-805....but...sory no pic....:|


i have the pics, here they are,,

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/TNIALKRILayang805.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/c802rocketinFPB57.jpg

this pictures was taken at LATGAB 2008,,

i found it from other forum..

ggk
06-16-2008, 11:39 AM
Top:
From his attires, he is from Air-Force Korpaskhas' Den-Bravo.

Middle:
When these men wearing their blacks, it's hard to tell where they exactly come from. It could be Kopassus' Satgultor or Kormar's Denjaka or Navy's Kopaska or AF Korpaskhas' Den-Bravo. On this particular pic, the color of the beret at the far left looks red indeed, but it could be purple or orange.

Bottom:
same-o-same-o.

if we cant identified the unit...the better....http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

tango87
06-16-2008, 03:11 PM
just want to ask... what the different role of KOPASKA and DENJAKA... is it DENJAKA under the KOPASKA command???

r0m8470
06-16-2008, 08:26 PM
<<The AAROFEX tests were done using some anti-air rockets, not missiles, no ?>>

The AAROFEX -whatever the heck it stands for - were done using missiles. The test used flares as targets - which means the missiles are heat-seekers. There are 2 heat seekers in Navy inventory: Mistral (both Simbad and Tetral systems) and Strela.

I'm really curious about this test since the Tetral system is almost fully automatic - if integrated into the ship's combat data system - which the Sigma class are equipped with (Tacticos). The engagement can be made hands-off - but if the result is 1 out of 3 ... not a good ratio. I wonder what went wrong?

The Army used to use flares for test fire exercise. They used it in the joint exercise at East Java for RBS-70 firings. Maybe the Navy tried to copy the procedure? Anybody has more news on this?

ggk
06-16-2008, 10:05 PM
advance misile system usually tends to ignore flare, chaff and sun...so i think the missile is working fine.

r0m8470
06-16-2008, 11:29 PM
not really ..... if the exercise intentionally used the flare as the target - which means that there is no other heat sources around, the missile will home in on the flare - provided that it is aimed correctly.

If the target was a drone and there were flares deployed around the drone - that would be a different story. Remember - the flare was supposed to be the target.

The RBS-70 would home in on the flare - provided a laser lock were obtained on it since it is a beam-rider. Wonder if any of the Army inventory is still good ..... ?

equilibrium37
06-17-2008, 05:07 AM
just want to ask... what the different role of KOPASKA and DENJAKA... is it DENJAKA under the KOPASKA command???


Denjaka (Jala Mengkara Detachment) is a Elite Special Anti-Terror Unit from the Indonesian Marine Corps.

On the other hand;

Kopaska (Komando Pasukan Katak) is a Elite Special Forces Unit from the Indonesian Navy that is heavily influenced by the US NAVY UDT and SEAL team.

karbol
06-17-2008, 05:34 AM
i have the pics, here they are,,

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/TNIALKRILayang805.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/gamez_ryant/c802rocketinFPB57.jpg

this pictures was taken at LATGAB 2008,,

i found it from other forum..

correction from me... this pics was taken during trial in balinese sea. in latgab, the C-802 also being fired up. but the navy has change LAYANG camo in to grey

i know this, because now i'm covering the latgab...:):)... i will post up some pics after i get back..

Master Chief
06-17-2008, 07:54 AM
Denjaka (Jala Mengkara Detachment) is a Elite Special Anti-Terror Unit from the Indonesian Marine Corps.

On the other hand;

Kopaska (Komando Pasukan Katak) is a Elite Special Forces Unit from the Indonesian Navy that is heavily influenced by the US NAVY UDT and SEAL team.

Denjaka (Jala Mengkara means Sea Ghost): unconventional warfare & more to counter-terrorism unit on water environment. The unit is similar to Navy Seal Team-Six. The command is under Marines (whereas Marines is under Navy anyway).

Kopaska (Frogmen Commando): more to conventional warfare as an advance team way in front of the regular Navy or Marines fleet. Their original jobs: beach clearing, beach reccon, underwater demolition, CSAR & VIP escort. Nowadays, their jobs are also as CT on water, high value facility security & intelligent. This is similar to regular Navy Seal. Kopaska is under Navy Fleet Command.

To get more confused:
Marines also have Yontaifib (Amphibious Reccon Batallion) which to some extent have similarity with Kopaska. Denjaka personnel are 99% taken from Yontaifib.

karbol
06-17-2008, 08:37 AM
Denjaka (Jala Mengkara means Sea Ghost): unconventional warfare & more to counter-terrorism unit on water environment. The unit is similar to Navy Seal Team-Six. The command is under Marines (whereas Marines is under Navy anyway).

Kopaska (Frogmen Commando): more to conventional warfare as an advance team way in front of the regular Navy or Marines fleet. Their original jobs: beach clearing, beach reccon, underwater demolition, CSAR & VIP escort. Nowadays, their jobs are also as CT on water, high value facility security & intelligent. This is similar to regular Navy Seal. Kopaska is under Navy Fleet Command.

To get more confused:
Marines also have Yontaifib (Amphibious Reccon Batallion) which to some extent have similarity with Kopaska. Denjaka personnel are 99% taken from Yontaifib.

DENJAKA recruits are from KOPASKA and Yontaifib... so to make it simple, DENJAKA are more secret and have more ability then the KOPASKA or Taifib.

Master Chief
06-17-2008, 11:35 PM
DENJAKA recruits are from KOPASKA and Yontaifib... so to make it simple, DENJAKA are more secret and have more ability then the KOPASKA or Taifib.

Your writing is confusing, Karbol.
Denjaka is under Marines. It is basically a CT unit which recruits are taken from Marines infantrymen (most are from Yontaifib), not sailors. At least, 99% of them. Yes, for water environment training, some of the instructors are from Kopaska. Yes, a very few Denjaka operators are taken directly from Kopaska for extraordinary reasons. Yes, they share some resources often. Yes, they are very close friend each other.

Kopaska is made of sailors, not Marines. It's very similar to regular Navy Seal. Function wise, Denjaka is closer to Navy Seal Team-Six.
However, Indonesian Marines (Kormar) is under TNI-AL (Navy) anyway. So yes, both of them are Navy units.

tango87
06-18-2008, 06:04 AM
Your writing is confusing, Karbol.
Denjaka is under Marines. It is basically a CT unit which recruits are taken from Marines infantrymen (most are from Yontaifib), not sailors. At least, 99% of them. Yes, for water environment training, some of the instructors are from Kopaska. Yes, a very few Denjaka operators are taken directly from Kopaska for extraordinary reasons. Yes, they share some resources often. Yes, they are very close friend each other.

Kopaska is made of sailors, not Marines. It's very similar to regular Navy Seal. Function wise, Denjaka is closer to Navy Seal Team-Six.
However, Indonesian Marines (Kormar) is under TNI-AL (Navy) anyway. So yes, both of them are Navy units.


wow...so much info u have guys,help me a lot in their role...
but the DENJAKA under which command.. is it under direct to komar chief or other part of command in komar??, example the KOPASKA under the navy fleet command
love to see DENJAKA in action...
anybody have their picture in action???

karbol
06-18-2008, 11:29 AM
wow...so much info u have guys,help me a lot in their role...
but the DENJAKA under which command.. is it under direct to komar chief or other part of command in komar??, example the KOPASKA under the navy fleet command
love to see DENJAKA in action...
anybody have their picture in action???

DENJAKA command are from Korps Marinir. i have some pics of DENJAKA, during this latgab... i will post it as soon as i can...

Master Chief
06-18-2008, 11:42 PM
wow...so much info u have guys,help me a lot in their role... but the DENJAKA under which command.. is it under direct to komar chief or other part of command in komar??, example the KOPASKA under the navy fleet command love to see DENJAKA in action...
anybody have their picture in action???

This information is widely found in the internet.

Normally Denjaka Commandant is "only" a Lieutenant Colonel, but he reports directly to Marines Commandant (Dankormar), who is a two-star General (2 levels above him).

The two Navy fleet commands (Koarmabar & Koarmatim) each has their own Kopaska (called as Satpaska), which is headed by a Lieutenant Colonel (Navy) as well. Interestingly, each Satpaska has their own anti-terror unit.

Lots of pics of Denjaka & Kopaska have been posted in this forum.

gamez99
06-19-2008, 11:44 PM
correction from me... this pics was taken during trial in balinese sea. in latgab, the C-802 also being fired up. but the navy has change LAYANG camo in to grey

i know this, because now i'm covering the latgab...:):)... i will post up some pics after i get back..

sorry,, my fault :oops:

karbol
06-26-2008, 07:52 AM
the navy plan was to equip all of the FPB-57 NAV-V's with C-802 missile... but so far i have only see 2 ship that equip with the missile... but, the TODAK crew said, their ship also will be equip with C-802...

Yahoo!
06-26-2008, 10:46 AM
the navy plan was to equip all of the FPB-57 NAV-V's with C-802 missile... but so far i have only see 2 ship that equip with the missile... but, the TODAK crew said, their ship also will be equip with C-802...

This is interesting. Will the C802 be the main missile for the TNI AL?

Have you guys seen this other photograph of the C802 firing?

Kopassus
06-27-2008, 03:27 AM
A typical KOBRA anti-aircraft battery consists of:

* 3D multi-beam search radar (MMSR),
* battery command vehicle (BCV),
* mobile missile launchers POPRAD - up to 6 units,
* guns (e.g. ZUR 23-2 KG) - up to 6 units.

http://85.17.151.94/280200001-280250000/280241001-280241100/280241011_4_1i8Y.jpeg (http://www.hyves.nl/mediaLink.php?media_id=280241011&media_secret=1i8Y)

The system is easily adaptable to other types of guns and missile launchers.
The ZUR-23-2KG is manufactured by ZM Tarnów SA.
System Configuration

An example of the KOBRA system configuration is shown here above. Radar data can be used by any of the two interoperating anti-aircraft batteries. Use of the newest technology in wireless and wire data transmission makes it possible to send air pictures to both batteries when spaced up to ca. 20 km, depending on weather conditions, terrain shape, the type of weapons in use etc. The basic element of a single battery is the Battery Command Vehicle (BCV), which receives information from the MMSR radar or from an external surveillance and command system. The battery commander decides whether to engage the target with guns or fire-and-forget missiles. The possibility of deploying POPRAD missile launchers at quite a long distance from the BCV makes it possible to either organize defence of a large area or concentrate the effort selectively on dangerous directions. The guns type ZUR 23-2KG feature high firepower, additionally increased by two add-on short-range AA missiles of the GROM type.
Possible Uses

* Airport protection
* Air defence systems
* Coastal protection systems
* Area protection

The KOBRA/POPRAD system is a low-altitude/short range ADS, so i expect it has a max altitude lower than 3000m and max range of 6 km.

Dark Avenger
06-27-2008, 12:25 PM
Land Rover Defender 6x6.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/377/landrover6x6withpopradmp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

DavidDCM
06-27-2008, 01:54 PM
What is that folded down half-circular shape thing ?

It's folded up when not combat-ready and supports the canvas cover that you can see behind the driver cabin. The weapon turret can be lowered.

karbol
06-28-2008, 02:07 AM
This is interesting. Will the C802 be the main missile for the TNI AL?

Have you guys seen this other photograph of the C802 firing?

not as a main missile for the navy, i think.. co'z the navy still expecting the exocetMM40 that will be deliver in 2009, to equip the sigma class ship. and also i heard the navy still interesting in YAKHONT...

anyway, thx for the photos...

karbol
07-01-2008, 01:25 AM
S. Korea to Ink Subs-for-Aircraft Deal With Indonesia
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/080630_p01_01(1).jpg

By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter

South Korea is nearing a $1-billion deal with Indonesia to trade two of its 1,300-ton attack submarines and related technology for eight Indonesian-built advanced maritime patrol aircraft, a military source said Monday.

Arms procurement officials from the two nations, which forged a ``strategic partnership'' in December 2006, will meet next week in Indonesia to sign a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on the proposed deal, the source said.

``The two sides have virtually finalized the deal, as Indonesia accepted our final proposal on June 12 when its vice defense chief was visiting,'' the source privy to the deal told The Korea Times on condition of anonymity.

``As long as there are no other developments, the two sides will sign an MOU during the meeting to implement the project,'' he said.

Unless the MOU is signed during the working-level talks, Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee will address the issue with his Indonesian counterpart when he visits Jakarta this month, he said.

Russia is also competing to sell its submarines to Indonesia by offering a package of weapons systems, including attack and transport helicopters, and armored vehicles, along with cash, he noted.

Under the ``counter-purchase mechanism,'' the source said, South Korea will export two Type-209 Changbogo-class submarines, built by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering in technical cooperation with Germany's Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), and transfer related technology to Indonesia.

The diesel/electric propulsion sub, measuring 56 meters in length and 5.5 meters in width, can submerge to a depth up to 250 meters and has an underwater endurance of some 15 days. It has a surface speed of 11 knots and can cruise submerged at a speed of 22 knots. The sub can carry up to 33 sailors.

The Korean Navy operates nine Type-209 submarines armed with torpedoes and submarine-to-surface missiles. The per-unit price is more than $200 million.

In return, Indonesia's arms manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) will deliver eight CN-235 aircraft for maritime patrol operations to Korea as part of offest contracts , the source said, adding the Korea Coast Guard will operate the aircraft.

The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop airplane, jointly developed by Indonesia and Spain, and is widely used by a number of foreign operators, such as the U.S. Coast Guard, Malaysia, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates for maritime patrol, surveillance and troop transport.

The aircraft has a top cruising speed of 509 km/h and can operate at an altitude of 9,145m. It has a range of 5,000 km with maximum fuel and 2870 km with a 4,000-kg payload. A variant for maritime patrol costs some $25 million, said the source.

Korea purchased eight CN-235s for VIP and transport units in the early 2000s in a similar trade deal with Indonesia, which bought a squadron of Korea's indigenous KT-1 Woongbi basic trainer jets and hundreds of military vehicles. The deal was worth $150 million.

The envisaged subs-for-aircraft deal is expected to help boost Korea's defense industry further by resuscitating the production line for Changbogo-class submarines, another source said.

``I believe the deal would be mutually beneficial,'' he said. ``For Korea's part, the submarine exports would not only help raise the low operational capacity of the country's shipbuilders in the future, but also offer more chances to get more submarine contracts from Indonesia and other nations.''

In a move to boost bilateral cooperation in the defense industry, Former President Roh Moo-hyun and his Indonesian counterpart, Susilo Bambang Yodhoyono, issued a joint declaration on “strategic partnership relationship” during a summit in December 2006.

The two leaders agreed to improve cooperation on defense-related technology transfer and joint development.

Last December, South Korea’s rolling stock maker Rotem agreed with Indonesia’s PT.PINDAD on the joint development and production of six-wheel-drive armored vehicles.

gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr (gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr)


link: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/06/205_26758.html

makavelli
07-01-2008, 08:42 AM
does this means new cn235 for korean refurbished 209?
how many 209's does Indo currently operate?

fcaesarn
07-02-2008, 03:06 AM
does this means new cn235 for korean refurbished 209?
how many 209's does Indo currently operate?

Nope, It doesn't to be like that... The CN-235 MPA will be bartered with the 209 subs which Korea built under German license... We hope that this deal will transfer the subs manufacturing technology to our PT. PAL Shipyard...

makavelli
07-02-2008, 03:34 AM
too bad...
thats an old subs still...
why not get those 212's or Lada's to compliment with Kilo's Indo ordered..

karbol
07-02-2008, 06:45 AM
maybe korean offer the gov't a good deal (including transfer of technology)... or maybe their sub's are cheaper...:)

caksz
07-02-2008, 06:56 AM
What happen to the kilo deal ? indo do operate type 209 right ... how about a deal of the 2 subs and a refit for their older 209 by the korean.

karbol
07-02-2008, 07:17 AM
i think (or hope....:)) the KILO deal still in progress. but, lately, the news said, we have some difficulty about the deal.

r0m8470
07-02-2008, 08:27 AM
Another one of those MoU? When will the actual construction schedule or purchase contract is going to be signed?

Let's see over the years of what has been reported:
- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

- Sukhoi weaponries - sure, a bunch of free fall bombs with multiple ejector racks.

- Russian corvette with Spanish-made hulls - is that a hoax or what?

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no ..... they've got empty quivers, no Exocet or Mistral, only the launchers. Well, at least they look sharp and dapper.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

- Kilo subs - has not materialized yet ....

- F-16C offers - apparently once embargoed does not make the government twice shy .... (tribute to the band Great White .... :P). I think finally somebody came to their senses .... not all of them can be idiots ......

- TD-2000 - the super duper mysterious Chinese AAA - insert your joke here ......

- C802 - well, I'll be damned, this one actually shows up - with firing trials and all. So I guess there will be 3 different SSM in service (Exocet, Harpoon, C802)?

- L159 - another one of those MoU (???)

- Tucano - this one if (big IF) it really happens is perplexing. The Air force has some Wong Bees - wouldn't it be easier to arm the Wong Bees instead? Less pilot training, commonality from logistical standpoint etc?

- LVTP7 Amtrak donation - no more news lately

- National corvette - ???

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU

That's a long list, I'm tired just listing them ...... What do you guys think?

ggk
07-02-2008, 08:56 AM
Another one of those MoU? When will the actual construction schedule or purchase contract is going to be signed?

Let's see over the years of what has been reported:
- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

- Sukhoi weaponries - sure, a bunch of free fall bombs with multiple ejector racks.

- Russian corvette with Spanish-made hulls - is that a hoax or what?

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no ..... they've got empty quivers, no Exocet or Mistral, only the launchers. Well, at least they look sharp and dapper.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

- Kilo subs - has not materialized yet ....

- F-16C offers - apparently once embargoed does not make the government twice shy .... (tribute to the band Great White .... :P). I think finally somebody came to their senses .... not all of them can be idiots ......

- TD-2000 - the super duper mysterious Chinese AAA - insert your joke here ......

- C802 - well, I'll be damned, this one actually shows up - with firing trials and all. So I guess there will be 3 different SSM in service (Exocet, Harpoon, C802)?

- L159 - another one of those MoU (???)

- Tucano - this one if (big IF) it really happens is perplexing. The Air force has some Wong Bees - wouldn't it be easier to arm the Wong Bees instead? Less pilot training, commonality from logistical standpoint etc?

- LVTP7 Amtrak donation - no more news lately

- National corvette - ???

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU

That's a long list, I'm tired just listing them ...... What do you guys think?

i think you are trolloping...this is a TNI in Gallery (the New Photos) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3360232#post3360232) thread.

r0m8470
07-02-2008, 09:01 AM
ha ha .... yeah, not exactly the right forum.

Mea culpa.

... maybe I'll start a new board. In the meantime - can anybody comments on all those 'supposed' procurements?

karbol
07-02-2008, 09:31 AM
i can answer some of your question...

- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

answer: we have some difficulty with rusia. i think you already heard the news...

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

answer: the deal for skytruckMPA are canceled.

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no .....
answer: the weapon for the sigma are coming in 2009, including exocetMM-40.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

answer: the airforce allready buy more QW's... right now, we have abou 200 missile in our inventory...

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU
answer: the MoU are not for the missile, but for the vehicle that bulid by PINDAD...

i believe i can't satisfied u'r curiosity... but believe me, in the near future, we have some new toys..p-)

ggk
07-02-2008, 09:38 AM
i have nothing against you pal. You can open a discussion thread on TNI at general disscussion http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5.

Unless ofcourse u post some picture related to your question

henzai
07-02-2008, 07:41 PM
too bad...
thats an old subs still...
why not get those 212's or Lada's to compliment with Kilo's Indo ordered..

if PAL can get the "technical assistant" for 209 then PAL can easily adopt the 212 concept.......since the 212 sub is naturaly the 209+AIP propulsion+new low noise propeller+new fuel cell+ n a bit frame construction...
n if PAL someday......:roll:.....can modify 209 to 212...then 214 is one step ahead.....
n
some sez PAL might get the AIP technology....for the 209...

aswp01
07-04-2008, 12:15 AM
Finally those helos arrived but are they part of the much publicized $1billion deal with Russia or are they not?

If they do, that means behind the screen some deals are going through without public knowing. Bravo for the TNI in keeping these surprises. :)

Kopassus
07-04-2008, 10:20 AM
wuhaaa! How much did we received?
Do we get 5 or 6 Mi35Ps in total?
Thanks for the pictures Karbol!

karbol
07-04-2008, 08:40 PM
news link about the Mi-17: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080703/112928894.html



(http://en.rian.ru/world/)
First three Russian military helicopters delivered to Indonesia


20:42 | 03/ 07/ 2008 http://img.rian.ru/i/b_print.gif (http://en.rian.ru/world/20080703/112928894-print.html)
SURABAYA, July 3 (RIA Novosti) - The first three Russian Mi-17-B5 Hip H medium assault/transport helicopters were delivered to Indonesia on Thursday.
Russia signed a contract with Indonesia in 2005 to supply six helicopters made by the Kazan helicopter plant.
"Three helicopters were delivered to the Indonesian ground forces base in the city of Surabaya this morning. Their assembly will start Friday," Andrei Mironov, who will oversee the assembly of the helicopters, told RIA Novosti Thursday.
Mironov said the remaining three helicopters would arrive in the country soon.
Nikolai Kireyev, a representative of Russian state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport in Jakarta, said 15 pilots and technical specialists from Indonesia visited the Kazan helicopter plant in Russia's Volga area in the spring for three months of training.
In fall 2007, then Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with Indonesia's leadership on Russia allocating a $1 billion loan for Indonesia to buy 22 helicopters, 20 tanks and two submarines made in Russia. Additionally, Jakarta said it would buy six Su aircraft worth a total of $335 million.
Mi-17 is a version of the Mi-8 airframe. The helicopter has a takeoff weight of 13 metric tons and can carry up to 36 people or a payload of 4 tons within the cabin or 4.5 tons outside it. The helicopters have been delivered to 80 countries.
--------------------

....from the news, i think this helo's are not from US$ 1 Billion credit in 2007. it's said from contract in 2005, that being hold co'z off corruption case... so, we can hope more helo's to come...

spiderweb6969
07-06-2008, 01:04 AM
from Tempur June 2008

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-4.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-5.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

karbol
07-06-2008, 03:18 AM
from Tempur June 2008


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

thx spiderweb... but the magz totally wrong about pics above... those are not indonesia air force, but marine... also the missile are strella not QW-3. i knew it, coz i took the pics...:roll:

fcaesarn
07-06-2008, 10:31 AM
Finally, revealed the the TNI misterious weapon system bought from China... TD 2000

Captured from tempur magazine

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-4.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-5.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

Tunasa
07-06-2008, 01:31 PM
^
^
^
Fcaesarn, those scanned pages were posted already on page 86. Please, try not to post a same thing twice.

equilibrium37
07-07-2008, 04:22 AM
nicep pics karbol; next time you should bring one of us to those SS2 fire tests that you've attented often i pressume. just a thought haha.

nomind
07-12-2008, 01:45 AM
@^
that's an HK416

masABRI
07-12-2008, 03:43 PM
the boots are dessert boots because they are police officer contingent that are trained to be sent to Darfur Sudan as UN civil police force...

from the photo surroundings it seems the picture are taken in east Java - mount bromo...

equilibrium37
07-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Who cares zayyana; not everyday you can see pictures of an operator armed with an AUG A3.. So just enjoy them pictures mate. Ey masabri; havent heard from you for a quite a while. Oh does anyone knows what ever the hell hapenned to silent-hunter? havent heard from that chap.

karbol
07-13-2008, 01:24 AM
^^wootwoot... hore... masABRI has come back...

equilibrium37
07-13-2008, 01:27 AM
Karbol; whats the news on those Exocet and mistrals for the SIGMA corvettes ?
I've been in Jakarta for about 3-4 weeks now, i just havent gotten the chance to lure around the site.

karbol
07-13-2008, 01:38 AM
Karbol; whats the news on those Exocet and mistrals for the SIGMA corvettes ?
I've been in Jakarta for about 3-4 weeks now, i just havent gotten the chance to lure around the site.

Nothing new... the missile will be deliver in 2009. the goodnews is, the new KSAL (Navy Chief of staff) said we will build a squadron of subs. and the news about korean subs are true...

alsadiyarto
07-13-2008, 01:55 AM
Nothing new... the missile will be deliver in 2009. the goodnews is, the new KSAL (Navy Chief of staff) said we will build a squadron of subs. and the news about korean subs are true...

Really? Are you absolutely positively 100% sure that we're gonna get new subs???...or it's just another high-ranking officer/politician's wishfull thinking lip-service BS?

karbol
07-13-2008, 02:02 AM
Really? Are you absolutely positively 100% sure that we're gonna get new subs???...or it's just another high-ranking officer/politician's wishfull thinking lip-service BS?

well... i think we have to think positive:)... yesterday, i call my friend in navy, he said that news is true...:)

makavelli
07-13-2008, 02:13 AM
welcome back masABRI

makavelli
07-13-2008, 02:30 AM
From todays pic

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd66/lancero11/julho/20080712062031ENLUS0141137412158436.jpg

Indonesian guards of honour salute during the meeting of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and his Brazilian counterpart Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (not pictured) at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, 12 July 2008. Lula is in Jakarta to boost cooperation between Indonesia and Brazil

makavelli
07-14-2008, 07:22 PM
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk214/venomjeka/DSC01535-1.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk214/venomjeka/DSC01536.jpg

@Makassar...

thanks to veno.jeka

Ominae
07-17-2008, 12:56 AM
Is that Browning-like pistol the Pindad P1?

karbol
07-17-2008, 01:14 AM
yup.. those are PINDAD P-1...

masABRI
07-17-2008, 11:55 AM
hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

masABRI
07-17-2008, 12:09 PM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9636/1001027sa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4425/1001028de7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6866/1001030hi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

fcaesarn
07-17-2008, 12:41 PM
hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow.. When did they d this thing?? Is this part of the pimp my tanks show?? What kind of upgrade did they make??

ggk
07-17-2008, 12:48 PM
That is luxury! and wicked too...good pic

Java Jongen
07-18-2008, 04:43 AM
hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
the never ending sarachen

karbol
07-18-2008, 04:46 AM
hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look


inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge




but i was hoping you bring us 'peuyeum-puan'... hahahaha... just kidding bro.

that's good pics... where they build this (the upgrade)? PINDAD?

fcaesarn
07-19-2008, 09:32 AM
the never ending sarachen

At what time they will have this saracen pensioned?? After they upraded BTR-50 and Saracen, what kind of other old inventories they will upgrade soon??

Java Jongen
07-20-2008, 12:30 AM
At what time they will have this saracen pensioned?? After they upraded BTR-50 and Saracen, what kind of other old inventories they will upgrade soon??
I don't know...but we have too many old inventories have been upgraded, like M-101s, D-30, S-60, PT-76, and etc.

ZAYYANA
07-21-2008, 04:01 AM
anybody know what had happen with the indonesian TU-16, coz Indonesian have more than a dozen of TU-16... one of it we can found it in the museum in Yogyakarta.

for the mig-21, I heard that uncle sam took it and make a barter with their products (sabre)

fcaesarn
07-21-2008, 06:26 AM
anybody know what had happen with the indonesian TU-16, coz Indonesian have more than a dozen of TU-16... one of it we can found it in the museum in Yogyakarta.

for the mig-21, I heard that uncle sam took it and make a barter with their products (sabre)


http://www.indonesiaindonesia.com/f/1894-tu-16-bomber-indonesia-menggetarkan-dunia

It was unfortunate to note that foreign political pressure and domestic economic difficulties finally sealed the fate of the mighty Tu-16. For example, "In order for AURI to receive F-86 Sabres and T-33 T-birds from the US, we have to get rid of all the Tu-16s," said Bagio Utomo, who used to be one of the members of Skatek 042, who maintained the Tu-16.

It was undeniable that the Tu-16 was advanced for its time. As well as equipped with the latest electronic gadgets, its body was sturdy. Tu-16s were not perfect, the replacement of spare parts was sometimes difficult. "Some had to be refined and fitted manually. Some of the blisters had to be smoothen by hand." AURI later tried to sell their Tu-16s to the Egyptians but the deal did not materialize.

The farewell flight to the Tu-16 took place in October 1970. With 10 people aboard, a TU-16 numbered M-1625 flew from Madiun to Jakarta. "We almost got lost when we were looking for the National Monument (Monas)." Even up to the middle of the 80s the US government still considered the Tu-16 was a threat for its national security.

"My name is still registered as a Tu-16 pilot in Subic Bay," said Sudjijantono, from Cakra 1. Since the Air and Naval Force could not find spare parts anymore, they realised that they are more dependent on imported advanced technology than the Army. In the begining of 1970, Air Force Chief Air Marshal Suwoto Sukendar said that only 15-20 percent of the Air Force fleet remained operational, while it was 40 percent of the Navydue to the cut-off of imports of spare-parts from the Soviet Union. 1970 became a year of destructing the East Block weapons.(ben/avi/ron/sal/ida)

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/badger.jpg

It's the last Badger we own... Now it is on the Indonesian Air Force Museum on Jogjakarta...
The rest of It... Mistery?? I still don't know where they are now...

ZAYYANA
07-22-2008, 12:12 AM
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/badger.jpg

It's the last Badger we own... Now it is on the Indonesian Air Force Museum on Jogjakarta...
The rest of It... Mistery?? I still don't know where they are now...

Thanks fcaesarn, the point is the rest of TU-16s still mistery now right...?

Anybody can find a source from the air force where the rest..? appreciated.
It's too bad that TNI didn't use it in their operation in the last decade.

Master Chief
07-22-2008, 06:41 AM
hi everybody..thanks for the warm

anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
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inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
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http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Can anybody tell what "Battle Management" system this is ?

karbol
07-23-2008, 05:01 AM
Is it known when the BTR-50 upgrade will take place? And will it look like the one posted by karbol from the Pindad factory some months ago? What did they do to improve the swimming capabilities? The prototype looked more like a face-lift, without any visible signs of improved floating capabilities.

For those who can't remember :D

AFAIK, they change the machine with chinese made. also navigation system.. but i dont know for sure about the type...

Siclad
07-24-2008, 04:23 AM
Can anybody tell what "Battle Management" system this is ?
This is FINDERS C2 system from french company NEXTER. In France it is installed in LECLERC tanks, AMX 10RC, Panhard VBL, VBCI ...

NEXTER was formely known as "GIAT industries" and even before "AMX/APX". This means that all "AMX something" (10, 13, 30 ...) vehicles are NEXTER older products.

Dark Avenger
07-24-2008, 04:29 AM
One more thing: The command vehicle masABRI posted is not a Stormer, but a Saracen.

fcaesarn
07-24-2008, 07:13 AM
AFAIK, they change the machine with chinese made. also navigation system.. but i dont know for sure about the type...

The upgraded BTR-50, have new instrument such as:
-Fire extinguisher
-new electronics system
-GPS
-NVG
-Communication System
-Air Conditoner

And Also new exterior for BTR-50

More detail about the modification
http://buletinlitbang.dephan.go.id/index.asp?vnomor=17&mnorutisi=8
(In Bahasa)

fcaesarn
07-25-2008, 05:23 AM
/\/\/\ Ths for the pics

More pics from The Red Barret

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSCA002118a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/dsc00001a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSC_0106a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSC_7367a.jpg

Master Chief
07-27-2008, 12:26 PM
kopassus during CQB training...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/kop-8.jpg

This is a CQB dry-drill, with empty rifles.
I hope they will use SMG instead of assault rifles for the live practise.

Master Chief
07-27-2008, 12:29 PM
This is FINDERS C2 system from french company NEXTER. In France it is installed in LECLERC tanks, AMX 10RC, Panhard VBL, VBCI ...

NEXTER was formely known as "GIAT industries" and even before "AMX/APX". This means that all "AMX something" (10, 13, 30 ...) vehicles are NEXTER older products.

Thanks. Tell us more what it does.

Siclad
07-28-2008, 03:42 AM
Check this link to the manufacturer website :
http://www.nexter-group.fr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=77&lang=en

makavelli
07-28-2008, 07:34 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7316.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7318.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7317.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7315.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7314.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7312.jpg

Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei with President Susilo Yudhoyono and Kopaskhas
thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

makavelli
07-28-2008, 07:37 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17402075.jpg
Indonesia - Jakarta - 61st Anniversary of the Indonesia Military
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (R) reviews soldiers during a ceremony honoring the 61st anniversary of the Indonesian military in Jakarta.
Image: © Xinhua Press/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Date Photographed: October 5, 2006
Location Information: INDONESIA
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Indonesia - Military Commanders - Hand- over Ceremony
Gend.Supiadi As (L), former Aceh Military Commander, stands next to his colleague Gend. Soenarko (R) a new Military Commander in Aceh, during the Aceh Military Commander hand over ceremony in Banda Aceh. Indonesia has pulled out more than 20, 000 troops from Aceh, after Free Aceh Movement and Indonesian Government agreed to end the longest conflict in Indonesia by signing the MoU ini Helsinki Finlandia in 2005.
Image: © Hotli Simanjuntak/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Hotli Simanjuntak
Date Photographed: July 14, 2008
Location Information: Banda Aceh, Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17399366.jpg
Indonesia - Military - 61th Anniversary
Indonesian soldiers practice before a ceremony to mark its 61st anniversary. Indonesia was expected to dispatch 850 troops to Lebanon as the first batch of Indonesian soldiers joining the UN-led peace-keeping force in the Middle East country.
Image: © Bagus Indahono/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Bagus Indahono
Location Information: Jakarta, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17399314.jpg
Indonesia - Military - 61th Anniversary
Indonesian soldiers prepare their uniforms before the military anniversary ceremony. The Indonesian military celebrate its 61th anniversary on 05 October 2006.
Image: © Made Nagi/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Made Nagi
Date Photographed: October 5, 2006
Location Information: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-15199478.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-15199473.jpg
Indonesia's Military Special Forces Kopassus. (sorry repost)
Indonesia's Special Force soldiers, known as Kopassus, line up for drills at headquarters outside Jakarta.
Image: © Jacqueline M. Koch/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Photographer: Jacqueline M. Koch
Date Photographed: April 17, 2002
Location Information: Jakarta, Java, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16194926.jpg
Indonesian - Aceh - Military Withdrawal
Indonesia has been withdrawing troops in Aceh in the frame of the peace agreement with the Free Aceh Movement.
Image: © Nani Afrida/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Nani Afrida
Date Photographed: December 29, 2005
Location Information: Krueng Geukuh Port, North Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16111020.jpg
An Indonesian Soldier Stands on Guard
An Indonesian soldier stands guard with his automatic rifle on top of an Armored Personnel carrier (APC) while on patrol.
Image: © epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Date Photographed: October 12, 2003
Location Information: Aceh Besar, Aceh, Indonesia
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Unrest in Aceh
Indonesian soldiers patrol a village, where locals claim the burnings of houses and the killing of a 34-year-old man were carried out by Indonesian soldiers. The Indonesian government launched a military incursion into the troubled gas and oil rich province on May 19 in an attempt to root out Acehnese separatist fighters. --- Photo by Naashon Zalk/Corbis
Image: © Naashon Zalk/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Photographer: Naashon Zalk
Date Photographed: May 27, 2003
Location Information: Lawang, Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/TL038654.jpg
Indonesian Soldiers
Image: © Peter Turnley/CORBIS
Collection: Turnley
Standard RM
Photographer: Peter Turnley
Date Photographed: May 18, 1998
Location Information: Jakarta, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16204354.jpg
Indonesia - Flood
An Indonesian soldiers carries an old woman as he helps during an evacuation after their village was hit by a flash flood, at ***** village, in Jember, East Java, Tuesday 03 January 2006. Heavy flash floods and landslides have killed at least 57 and left thousands homeless in East Java province, officials said Tuesday. Officials feared the death toll may rise further as people were still listed missing and feared dead. Triggered by heavy rains, rivers passing four subdistricts of East Java?s Jember regency overflowed, inundating thousands of homes and forcing residents to seek shelter at mosques and government buildings, according to Jember district spokesman Hartomo.
Image: © ENDAH/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: ENDAH
Date Photographed: January 3, 2006
Location Information: JEMBER, EAST JAVA, indonesia

ggk
07-28-2008, 11:59 AM
you know Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah were a military enthusiast like us...im not surprise if he have an account here in MP.net he he

BTW great pic!

hawkeye88
07-29-2008, 09:54 AM
Guys, I just wanna ask bout Pindad...

Someone got info from local newspaper and he said that SS2 has been exported to African countries like Mozambique, Nigeria, etc??

I'm definitely curious bout it. Can anyone help??

Moreover, Pindad has a new logo... extremely total make over.... compare to t old one...

henzai
07-29-2008, 06:37 PM
Guys, I just wanna ask bout Pindad...

Someone got info from local newspaper and he said that SS2 has been exported to African countries like Mozambique, Nigeria, etc??

I'm definitely curious bout it. Can anyone help??

Moreover, Pindad has a new logo... extremely total make over.... compare to t old one...

probably....

some pics of pindad ss1 of sudan elite troops

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102700

Tunasa
07-29-2008, 06:50 PM
That one looks more like beretta SC-70 than SS-1

karbol
07-30-2008, 03:18 AM
you know Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah were a military enthusiast like us...im not surprise if he have an account here in MP.net he he

BTW great pic!

...and i'm not surprise if he own the MP.net..hehehe:)

Ominae
07-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the TNI for that upgrade. I mean the ones with the fridge. I understand air conditioning though...

Master Chief
07-31-2008, 12:49 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7312.jpg

thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

Anybody knows the story behind it; relationship between Sultan & Korpaskhas ?

Kopassus
07-31-2008, 07:49 AM
Anybody knows the story behind it; relationship between Sultan & Korpaskhas ?
Ranger and Raider on the same uniform from Korpaskhas?
Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah Jenderal Besar?

Kopassus
07-31-2008, 07:53 AM
[quote=makavelli;3421508]


Location Information: INDONESIA
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-20416606.jpg
Indonesia - Military Commanders - Hand- over Ceremony
Gend.Supiadi As (L), former Aceh Military Commander, stands next to his colleague Gend. Soenarko (R) a new Military Commander in Aceh, during the Aceh Military Commander hand over ceremony in Banda Aceh. Indonesia has pulled out more than 20, 000 troops from Aceh, after Free Aceh Movement and Indonesian Government agreed to end the longest conflict in Indonesia by signing the MoU ini Helsinki Finlandia in 2005.
Image: © Hotli Simanjuntak/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Hotli Simanjuntak
Date Photographed: July 14, 2008
Location Information: Banda Aceh, Aceh, Indonesia









The Rapier still active?

Tunasa
07-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Not the one on the picture for sure, it has "drill" word on the missiles.

Java Jongen
08-01-2008, 09:34 AM
What about RBS-70?? still operated now??

Kopassus
08-02-2008, 07:03 AM
Good question, really dont know.
I Have read in another forum that we have bought recently some S60's, did we really bought some of this stuf?

karbol
08-02-2008, 07:23 AM
^^i think not kopassus. we are not buy, but retrofit last S-60 we have... one we bought from china is a TD-2000. is a air deffence system, so the S-60 can operated with radar and missile system...

fcaesarn
08-04-2008, 04:33 AM
^^i think not kopassus. we are not buy, but retrofit last S-60 we have... one we bought from china is a TD-2000. is a air deffence system, so the S-60 can operated with radar and missile system...

Yup, we didn't buy new s-60, but we retrofitted s-60 with German technology inside.. recently we order SHORAD system from China called TD-2000 which will integrate SHORAD and The retrofitted s-60... but still we don't know exactly when it will deliver to Indonesia...

karbol
08-04-2008, 06:41 AM
vid of indonesia army Mi-35 durring 100th years of indonesia awakening day (100 th HARKITNAS)

http://www.youtube.com/v/AhQf7r9Vj9Q&hl=en&fs=1

if dont show up, chek out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhQf7r9Vj9Q

karbol
08-04-2008, 06:58 AM
again, TNI performance at natonal awakening day... note at last minute, the silent drill by korps marinir..

http://www.youtube.com/v/JZX7LHPp1-I&hl=en&fs=1

url link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZX7LHPp1-I

aneep
08-04-2008, 08:43 AM
good pics
Sultan of Brunei is like a collector of berets, he got alot from various elite units

-aneep-

Kopassus
08-04-2008, 09:57 AM
Thanks Karbol! Sayang sekali the clip ended when Kormar just began the silent drill.
I also want to know how the Mi-35P clip ends......really beautiful movie!!

Master Chief
08-05-2008, 12:48 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar5.jpg
KANEOHE, Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion working with U.S. Marines launch an assault on an enemy stronghold after performing an over the beach infiltration during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008. RIMPAC is the world's largest multinational exercise and is scheduled biennially by the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Participants include the United States, Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, the Netherlands, Peru, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom. (U.S Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Walter Pels/Released)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RImpacKormar4.jpg
KANEOHE, Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines conduct a practice weapons cache raid with U.S. Marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar6.jpg
Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion working with U.S. Marines launch an assault on an enemy stronghold after performing an over the beach infiltration during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar2.jpg
BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines take cover during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar1.jpg
BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines advance through a field during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar3.jpg
BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines storm the beach during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

Kopassus
08-05-2008, 06:57 AM
I didnt know we use the M16A2. Or did we borrowed them from the US?

karbol
08-05-2008, 08:37 AM
Thanks Karbol! Sayang sekali the clip ended when Kormar just began the silent drill.
I also want to know how the Mi-35P clip ends......really beautiful movie!!

those are the end of the clip...

Master Chief
08-06-2008, 04:04 AM
I didnt know we use the M16A2. Or did we borrowed them from the US?

If you see the pictures, all gears were property of the host, including M16-A2 rifles, helmets & vests. I don't know about the face camo paint. :)

Master Chief
08-06-2008, 05:28 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/CampKarangTekok1.jpg
CAMP KARANG TEKOK, Indonesia - Lance Cpl. James Cleveland (right), 2nd Platoon, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, is relieved by an Indonesian Marine during an urban patrolling course. The course was part of a bilateral field training exercise between Marines and Sailors from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit and the Indonesian Marines and was designed to increase interoperability and enhance military to military relationships.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/CampKarangTekok2.jpg
A U.S. Marine (left) from Fox Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, relieves an Indonesian Marine's position during an urban patrollng course, March 11.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/CampKarangTekok3.jpg
Staff Sgt. Isaul Montez, platoon segeant, 2nd Platoon, Fox Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, explains urban patrolling and counter Improvised Explosive Device techniques to Indonesian Marines, March 11, during a bilateral field training exercise. The exercise included vehicle and entry control point classes, a combat lifesaver course and urban patrolling all designed to increase interoperabilty and enhance military to military relationships.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/CampKarangTekok4.jpg
Indonesian Marine 1st Lt. Arif Supriyid, F Company Commander, 4th Battalion, 4th Marines, counters a kick from 2nd Lt. Clay Popham, 2nd Platoon Commander, F Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, March 11, during an intorduction to Pencak Silat, an Indonesian martial art.

Master Chief
08-06-2008, 06:32 AM
good pics masterchief... and here's mine, the new Mi-17V for indonesian army... enjoy...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-1copy.jpg



Dissapointed :-(. A very basic personnel & cargo helo.
I thought it will be a semi-gunship version, as below.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Helos/mi-17-1v-01.jpg

aneep
08-06-2008, 08:22 AM
all the items in the second pic (assault) can be added to the transport version,
1)engine suppressor 2)chaff/flare dispenser 3)rocket pod 4)gun pod
the nose of the TNI AD's Mi-17 looks slightly longer, different radar?

-aneep-

karbol
08-06-2008, 10:46 AM
^^thx aneep for the explanation. dont worry masterchief... if we can modified the FPB-57 with Missile or the NBO-105 with rocket, i'm sure we also can modified this helo with various weapon...:)

Kopassus
08-07-2008, 07:05 AM
Thanks Karbol! At last we have some Mi-17's...

Wally1967
08-07-2008, 07:49 AM
Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

karbol
08-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

AFAIK, last month indonesia air force and RAAF do some training together. but i dont have the pics... IdAF use the F-16's and the RAAF use their Hornet's

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 12:13 AM
Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

Check out page 25 for Rajawali Ausindo Exercise 2006.
You may search the internet using keyword "Ausindo".

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 02:23 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020081.jpg
A Indonesian navy special force member guards the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008. USNS Mary Sears (T-AGS 65) is a US Pathfinder class oceanographic survey ship, which picked up signals from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder of an Indonesia's Adam Air plane that crashed on 2007 New Year's Day, killing all 102 people on board. The Mary Sears is in Indonesia for a "friendship" visit.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020082.jpg
Indonesian navy special force command troops guard the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020083.jpg
Indonesian navy special force command troops guard the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USSBlueRidgeFeb2020081.jpg
Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit patrol near U.S. Navy command ship USS Blue Ridge which is currently on a port visit at Tanjung Priok port in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday, May 12, 2008.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 02:27 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920071.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920072.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920073.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920074.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920075.jpg
Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit land on a beach after a patrol around the venue of the U.N. climate change conference in Nusa Dua, Bali island, Indonesia, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007. Delegates from nearly 190 nations are attending the Dec. 3-14 meeting in Bali and are likely to agree to launch negotiations that will lead to an international accord to succeed the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on global warming.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 02:37 AM
Prelude:
"Once upon a time, there were some jungle combats between SAS & Indonesian RPKAD somewhere along Kalimantan-Sabah & Serawak border.
Then, there was a time when SAS trained the Indonesian Kopassandha, which until now has been a part of Kopassus commando school curriculum.
Recently, the SAS big chief visited Kopassus to strenghthening the ties with this particular elite unit."

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/satgultorApr2008.jpg
Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor soldiers "storm" a building during drill to show their skill to visiting British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008. Stirrup is in Indonesia on a four-day-official visit aimed at tightening military ties between the two countries.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SatgultorApr20082.jpg
British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (R) shakes hands with Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor soldiers after they demonstrated a drill at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SatgultorApr20083.jpg
British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (R) fires a weapon during a drill by Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SatgultorApr20084.jpg
British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (C) fires a weapon during a drill by Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor at the army special force headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 03:53 AM
thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

Additional pics:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SultanBruneiApr2320082.jpg
Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah (L) and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono attend a ceremony wearing full Indonesian Air Force uniform in Jakarta on April 23, 2008. Bolkiah was given honourary membership of the Indonesian Air Force special unit, Korpaskhas, and was awarded an wing brevet. The Sultan is in Indonesia on a three-day official visit.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SultanBruneiApr2320081.jpg
Indonesian Air Force special unit Bravo soldiers rescue a "hostages" during a drill witnessed by the Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (not in picture) in Jakarta on April 23, 2008.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 03:58 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LAtgabApr2120081.jpg
Indonesian soldiers stand in a formation under a poster of Indonesia President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during a the opening ceremony of a joint exercise with Navy and Air Force at the Halim Military Airport in Jakarta on April 21, 2008. The Indonesian military has conducted the joint exercise in different places of the country in till June 2008.

Below are classic pictures of the mass airborne parachuting during the exercise:


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LatgabJun1120081.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LatgabJun1120082.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LatgabJun1120083.jpg
Troops prepare to land their parachutes on Indonesia's Batam island June 11, 2008. Hundreds of Indonesian troops participated in a military exercise on Wednesday.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:02 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/MalakapiratesSep2520071.jpg
Indonesia navy personnel guard a group of pirates on a crude palm oil tanker in the Straits of Singapore September 25, 2007. The Indonesian navy arrested 14 pirates armed with guns and grenades as they hijacked a palm oil tanker name Kraton on Monday in the Straits of Singapore.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/MalakapiratesSep2520072.jpg
Indonesia navy personnel hold their rifles as a group of pirates lie on the deck of a crude palm oil tanker in the Straits of Singapore September 25, 2007. The Indonesian navy arrested 14 pirates armed with guns and grenades as they hijacked a palm oil tanker name Kraton on Monday in the Straits of Singapore.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:10 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720081.jpg
Indonesia's soldier, front, carries communication radio as they search for a missing plane at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008. An Indonesian air force plane went missing with five crew and 13 passengers on board, including at least two foreigners, a military spokesman said Friday.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SaRSalakmountainJun2720082.jpg
Indonesia's soldiers walk as they search for a missing plane at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720083.jpg
Indonesia's soldiers prepare for a search operation at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720084.jpg
Indonesia's soldiers prepare for a search operation at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720085.jpg
Indonesian soldiers search for victims of a plane crash in Salak mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Saturday, June 28, 2008. Rescuers spotted the wreckage of an Indonesian military plane that crashed into a jungle-clad mountain with 18 people onboard.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:13 AM
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/JohnHoward.jpg
Australian Prime Minister John Howard inspects an honor guard before meeting with Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri February 6, 2002 at the presidential palace in Jakarta, Indonesia. Howard arrived for a three-day visit to Indonesia.

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On the morning of April 25, 2005, President Hu Jintao held talks with Indonesian President Susilo in Jakarta and exchanged in-depth views on bilateral relations and regional and international issues of common concern. Before the talk, Susilo held a grand welcome ceremony for Hu Jintao in the square of the presidential residence.

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inspects the Palace Security Guard in Merdeka Palace, on May 10, 2006 in capital city Jakarta, Indonesia. Amid nuclear row, Ahmadinejad started his 3-day visit Wednesday to the world's most populous muslim country at invitation of his counterpart Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. He will then fly Friday to Indonesia's resort island Bali to attend 2-day summit of the Developing-8 (D8) group of large Muslim countries.

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Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheik Nasser Al-Mohamad Al-Ahmad Al Sabah (C) reviews a guard of honour before his meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 30 May 2007. The Kuwaiti leader is in Indonesia on a official visit to strength bilateral ties between the both countries.

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East Timorese President Jose Ramos-Horta (L) reviews a guard of honour before a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 05 June 2007. Ramos-Horta arrived in Indonesia 04 June, on a three day official visit making it his first foreign trip since elected as President, to tightened bilateral ties between the two countries.

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Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (C) reviews a guard of honour before a meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 20 August 2007. Abe arrived in Indonesia 19 August 2007 at the start of a three-nation Asian tour, with a key trade agreement to be signed between Tokyo and Jakarta.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, inspects honor guards prior to his meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Thursday, Sept. 6, 2007.

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas inspects the presidential guards during an honour guard ceremony at the Merdeka palace in Jakarta October 22, 2007. Abbas is in Indonesia for a three-day state visit.

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Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa inspects honor guards prior to a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka (Freedom) Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday, Nov. 26, 2007.

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Finnish President Tarja Halonen inspects the honor guard during a welcoming ceremony at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta on February 18, 2008. Halonen is on a four-day visit to Indonesia.

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Thai Prime Minister Samak Suntaradej inspects the presidential guard following his arrival at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta on 03/26/2008. The Thai leader is here for a two-day visit to promote economic and military cooperation between Indonesia and Thailand.


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Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd inspects honor guards during a welcome ceremony at the Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Friday, June 13, 2008.

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Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva inspects honor guards prior to a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Saturday, July 12, 2008.

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Chilean President Ricardo Lagos.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:37 AM
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Indonesian police officers take position during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007. Indonesia deployed over 5,000 police officers to provide extra security for the Global Climate Change Summit was held on the resort island of Bali on December.

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Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

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Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

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Foreign tourists (C) watch as Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

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Foreigner tourists watch security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

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An Indonesian anti-terror policeman takes position as they hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

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Indonesian police officers take position during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

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Indonesian police officers guard during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

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Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

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Indonesian police officers perform rescue operation from a helicopter during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

fcaesarn
08-08-2008, 04:42 AM
@Master Chief

From which Police Unit this photos were taken?? Gegana??

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:44 AM
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Anti-terror police escort a suspect during their arrival at the Mobile Brigade headquarters in Depok, on the outskirts of Jakarta July 3, 2008. Heavily armed Indonesian anti-terrorism police escorted nine suspects on a transport plane to the capital Jakarta for interrogation on Thursday after raids on the island of Sumatra found a large cache of bombs. Another police source, involved in the raids, said the suspects appeared to be linked to Noordin Mohamad Top, who is wanted over some of the deadliest attacks in Indonesia by regional militant Islamic network Jemaah Islamiah (JI).

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In this Thursday, July 3, 2008 file photo, one of ten terror suspects arrested after a series of raids on Sumatra island, right, is led into a police detention facility by a member of Indonesia's elite anti-terror squad.

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Elite counter-terrorism policemen escort suspected terrorists out of a bus at the police headquarters in Jakarta on July 3, 2008. Nine suspects arrested in the capital of Indonesia's South Sumatra province in connection with a cache of homemade bombs were bought to the capital and being questioned, police said. National police spokesman Abu Bakar Nataprawira confirmed that an unspecified number of arrests had been made in relation to the discovery of the bombs but he could not provide further details.

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An elite counter-terrorism policeman escorts a suspected terrorist (L) out of a plane to a bus upon on their arrival at the Halim airport in Jakarta on July 3, 2008.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:50 AM
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Indonesian police escort East Timor's rebel soldiers upon their arrival in Dili's airport, East Timor May 5, 2008. Indonesia on Monday extradited four rebel soldiers from East Timor wanted for alleged involvement in attacks on the tiny nation's president and prime minister in February.

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Police escort East Timor rebel soldier San Sao Monis Soares (L) during his arrival at the Ngurah Rai airport in Bali, before heading to Dili, East Timor May 5, 2008. Indonesia on Monday extradited four rebel soldiers who are suspected to be involved in a February attack on East Timor's president and prime minister.

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Indonesian police escort East Timor army rebels to Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport before departing for Dili May 5, 2008. Four East Timor army rebels arrested in Indonesia were deported to East Timor for their alleged role in the attacks against East Timor's president Ramos Horta and Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao.

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Indonesian police escort East Timor's army rebels as they were deported to Dili, at Jakarta's Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport May 5, 2008. Four East Timor army rebel who were arrested in Indonesia were deported to East Timor for their alleged role in the attacks against East Timor's president Ramos Horta and Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao.

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Indonesian anti-terror police unit members escort four East Timor rebels (red shirts) wanted over armed attacks against East Timor's president and prime minister, into a chartered plane at the Halim Airport in Jakarta on May 5, 2008. Four rebels wanted over armed attacks against East Timor's president and prime minister were extradited amid tight security from Indonesia on May 5.

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 04:57 AM
My last picture to make you smile. Have a good weekend !


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An Indonesian Chinese lion dance troupe stands on top of an armoured personnel carrier during a rehearsal for a military celebration in Jakarta in this January 9, 2001 file photo.

karbol
08-08-2008, 09:01 AM
Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

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Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit land on a beach after a patrol around the venue of the U.N. climate change conference in Nusa Dua, Bali island, Indonesia, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007. Delegates from nearly 190 nations are attending the Dec. 3-14 meeting in Bali and are likely to agree to launch negotiations that will lead to an international accord to succeed the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on global warming.

very good pics masterchief:)... just a little correction. those guys aren't KOPASKA. they are DENJAKA...

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 12:13 PM
very good pics masterchief:)... just a little correction. those guys aren't KOPASKA. they are DENJAKA...

From the badge on their caps, yes you are right, they are Denjaka (the guys on the left & middle). The topless guy on the right is their commander .... :) :) :)

Master Chief
08-08-2008, 12:55 PM
@Master Chief

From which Police Unit this photos were taken?? Gegana??

The orange boys are the Marine Police (Polisi Air). See page 53.
The black boys could be a mixture of Brimob + Gegana + Den88-AT.
You see their MP5SDs; how brand-new they are ?

tuah
08-10-2008, 12:42 AM
May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

karbol
08-10-2008, 10:38 PM
May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

the Denjaka is a CT unit under the Marine Corps. Kopaska is a Navy Special Forces, similar to SEAL or PASKAL in Malaysia...

darkpole
08-11-2008, 12:36 AM
a cobra with less armor?

It seemed to have NBO 105 platform.. just a guess.. :roll:

darkpole
08-11-2008, 12:41 AM
It seemed to have NBO 105 platform.. just a guess.. :roll:

:bash: Ahh.. I forgot to pay attention to the last photo, clearly stated "..dengan basis 'Dynamic Components dari Helicopter BO-105'.." which is "..based on BO-105 Dynamic Components" in english..

r0m8470
08-11-2008, 01:09 AM
Interesting ..... nose mounted sensor/sighting system, single pylon stub wings, with all-cannon/mg configuration. For Indonesian theater - suppressive fire weapons are more useful than precision guided weapons I guess .... ?

BTW - can anybody confirm that the Hinds are based @ A Yani airport? I'm going home this December - be nice to be able to get some decent shots.

karbol
08-11-2008, 03:04 AM
Interesting ..... nose mounted sensor/sighting system, single pylon stub wings, with all-cannon/mg configuration. For Indonesian theater - suppressive fire weapons are more useful than precision guided weapons I guess .... ?

BTW - can anybody confirm that the Hinds are based @ A Yani airport? I'm going home this December - be nice to be able to get some decent shots.

all rusky helo's base in A.Yani airport in semarang... don't forget to share u'r pics...:)

Master Chief
08-11-2008, 03:57 AM
all rusky helo's base in A.Yani airport in semarang... don't forget to share u'r pics...:)

Currently there are two Army air squadrons in Semarang; Skuadron Udara 31/Serbu Berat (Heavy Assault) & Skuadron udara 11/Serbu Ringan (Light Assault). The current Mi-35 Hind & Mi-17 Hip will be assigned to Skuadron 31.

In the near future, more Hinds & Hips will be assigned to the newly built Skuadron Udara 12 in Way Tuba, South Sumatra & another one in Kalimantan.

Kopassus
08-11-2008, 05:40 AM
last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?


Wauw.....thanks Krbol!!
Looks nice, but i think its better to save money for the N250 project. Its a waste of funds and time to begin with new projects like N219 if there is no money for older projects....

DavidDCM
08-11-2008, 06:52 AM
I think Indonesian Army/Air Force main subject should be good cargo lift-capabilities. Let's face it, natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis etc. are a much bigger threat to the Indonesian population than a war where you would need a attack helo.

Master Chief
08-11-2008, 07:24 AM
I think Indonesian Army/Air Force main subject should be good cargo lift-capabilities. Let's face it, natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis etc. are a much bigger threat to the Indonesian population than a war where you would need a attack helo.

Disagreed.
Indonesia really need a few attack/assault helos squadrons.
Why:
1. All neighbouring countries which, from defence perspective, still posses threats to Indonesia (Malaysia, Singapore & Aussie) have MBT / battle land armors in their arsenals. If you don't have armors to fight against armors, then you need to have attack helos to keep the balance.
2. Remember, Indonesia is still under a constant disintegration threat until today, especially in Papua. Attack helos will be effective in fighting against jungle guerillas; a lessons TNI learned from Aceh & East Timor theatres.

The decision to choose Hinds & Hips was wise, because both Hinds & Hips can carry several functions, i.e. attack/assault helos, personnel & cargo transports, SAR, etc., either during a war or in peace time. Also, the government where the helos are made does not like to act as a global human-right police. :)

Master Chief
08-11-2008, 08:05 AM
May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

Good morning. How is your sleep ?
Check out page 84, please ...

sp2c
08-11-2008, 08:12 AM
I don't understand the objective of this project.
If you need to have a light attack helo (Helikopter Serang Ringan, not Serbu), what you need to do is simply attach all required weaponries & sensors onto the existing BO-105, like what many Europen countries have done to their BO-105. No more, no less.
Others like armor plates & heat-reducer exhaust can be added on without having to redesign the blueprint.
You don't have to waste money & energy trying to reverse engineering the field-proven helo design. The worst thing: the "Cobra-front-rear-crew-style" eliminating the capability of transporting personnel of BO-105, which in reality is very tactically useful.

these are all somewhat valid points but the Bolkow struggles with weight as it is, if you mount weapons pylons and a gun you will lose the capability to carry troops anyways.
if you have the money then this would be a more effective solution ... if you have the money (and the spare bolkows)

Dark Avenger
08-11-2008, 02:07 PM
last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-1.jpg

Should be a very interesting project, even more ambitious than the Chilean Industrias Cardoen conversion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2902063#post2902063).
More Cardoen Bo-105 pics:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4751/bo105cardoengunship02vn9.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1408/bo105cardoengunship03rs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Johanus Bau
08-12-2008, 02:50 AM
Disagreed.
Indonesia really need a few attack/assault helos squadrons.
Why:
1. All neighbouring countries which, from defence perspective, still posses threats to Indonesia (Malaysia, Singapore & Aussie) have MBT / battle land armors in their arsenals. If you don't have armors to fight against armors, then you need to have attack helos to keep the balance.
2. Remember, Indonesia is still under a constant disintegration threat until today, especially in Papua. Attack helos will be effective in fighting against jungle guerillas; a lessons TNI learned from Aceh & East Timor theatres.

The decision to choose Hinds & Hips was wise, because both Hinds & Hips can carry several functions, i.e. attack/assault helos, personnel & cargo transports, SAR, etc., either during a war or in peace time. Also, the government where the helos are made does not like to act as a global human-right police. :)

I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

Johanus Bau
08-12-2008, 02:52 AM
I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

The N-219 is a better idea to replace its ageing fleet with an indigenously designed/manufactured light transport. Anyone got pics of the PT. DI N-219?

ggk
08-12-2008, 03:53 AM
it says there twin screws?

ggk
08-12-2008, 04:02 AM
i think this design would work on disaster relief...







...they call it 'WISE'=wing in surface effects. it's a ground effect plane...

sweeet...it looks like this Boeng designed craft.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2168/ek06zy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By ggk (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ggk)

fcaesarn
08-12-2008, 04:10 AM
sweeet...it looks like this Boeng designed craft.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2168/ek06zy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By ggk (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ggk)

Yes it is.. all of it are using WISE technology, but Boeing has a plan to build large size ekranoplane...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

Johanus Bau
08-12-2008, 04:14 AM
i think this design would work on disaster relief...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-3.jpg

...they call it 'WISE'=wing in surface effects. it's a ground effect plane...


This is just a smaller version of the Russian monster with missile launching capability... check it out below.

http://jpcolliat.free.fr/ekra/images/alekseiv_lun_05.jpg


http://jpcolliat.free.fr/ekra/images/alekseiv_lun_03.jpg

Johanus Bau
08-12-2008, 07:03 AM
this one...





Thanks Karbol, you are da bomb!! :) Keep the photos coming!!

Kopassus
08-12-2008, 07:16 AM
we have the capability and knowledge to design weaponsystems, but only litlle bit funds. We should be able to develop our own UAV. it looks good, we are making prototypes for years, so if there is enough funds(i expect theres not really a big amount necessery for this UAV), we should have this UAV in production in 4 years

Yahoo!
08-12-2008, 11:16 AM
and this one from navy R&D... if this design came true, it will be shocking a whole regionp-)p-)....


Is this really possible? Seems far-fetched? Does anyone know what the Navy R&D actually do?

Master Chief
08-12-2008, 12:11 PM
Thanks Karbol! Looks good! Better than NC212. When did you made this picture? I expect nasibnya sama dengan N250 dan NMX-1:cancelled.

C212 design was originally back to early 1970s.
N219 is 30 years younger. What would you expect ? :roll:

Master Chief
08-12-2008, 12:17 PM
these are all somewhat valid points but the Bolkow struggles with weight as it is, if you mount weapons pylons and a gun you will lose the capability to carry troops anyways.
if you have the money then this would be a more effective solution ... if you have the money (and the spare bolkows)

You can't expect both will work 100%. But at least the personnel transport capability is retained.

I start guessing; this light attack helo may become a cheaper option for third world countries. For example, as a COIN gunship.

ggk
08-12-2008, 12:36 PM
TNI should buy more Mi 35 instead of building new light attack helo ...IMHO.

and the BO-105 were not bad either, The Korean did it. see here..
#304 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3449039&postcount=304)

Master Chief
08-12-2008, 12:39 PM
I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

Mate, from the defence perspective (let me repeat myself; from the defence perspective), your neigbours are your greatest threats & the biggest potential enemies. Almost all world's conflicts are among/between neighbors. USA-Iraq & Afghanistan are exceptions.

You build your strategic defence based on your neigbour's defence plan. That's what Malaysia, Singapore, Aussie & other South East Asian countries (& all other countries) have been doing, not only to Indonesia but also among themselves.

The Americans heavy lift are the usual transport for UN peace keeping forces worldwide, mainly because they are ready available in most places. MBT & other armors can be shipped using regular sea-freighter cargo ships. Aussie can ship their M1-A Abrams from Darwin to Merauke port, for example, within days only. TDM's PT-91 MBT can cruise the highway crossing the Sarawak-West Kalimantan border within less than a day. That's why an attack helo squadron is needed to be based somewhere in Kalimantan.

OK, Mate ? Back to pictures, please.

Master Chief
08-12-2008, 12:45 PM
it says there twin screws?

My understanding: there are two sets of propeller, which rotate in opposite direction. I couldn't see clearly in the pictures.
The advantages:
1. Quieter.
2. Higher torque with smaller footprints.

Master Chief
08-12-2008, 12:56 PM
...

and the BO-105 were not bad either, The Korean did it. see here..
#304 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3449039&postcount=304)

This is exactly what I meant...

Thanks GGK.

DavidDCM
08-12-2008, 01:43 PM
Or ze evil Germans

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7928/bo105pahgr5.jpg (http://www.airventure.de/ila2004_1.htm)
Source (http://www.airventure.de/ila2004_1.htm)
BOH-105 PAH with 6x HOT-starter
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But to come back to the topic: Does Indonesia have a modern Anti-Tank Guided Missile in it's inventory? If I remember correctly I never saw one.

aneep
08-12-2008, 11:18 PM
the sub is a bit overkill againts pirates, only 4 divers, but can fire torpedoes

-aneep-

Master Chief
08-13-2008, 12:29 AM
the sub is a bit overkill againts pirates, only 4 divers, but can fire torpedoes

-aneep-

The pirates ship somehow can detect the navy patrols & will avoid them or stay low. Being a sub, the potential enemy (i.e. the pirates ship) won't be able to detect you, at least for now. Once you detect & confirm the pirates, you can always dispatch any nearby navy ships to handle it. You don't even have to show yourself to them.

Spare the torpedoes. Bad thing about torpedo, once it's launched, you have to make sure it is not going to a wrong target. Not a good idea to fire a torpedo in a crowded water such as Malaka strait.

As I wrote, this is one what this small sub can be utilized for.