TNI in Gallery (the New Photos)

[karbol]

wow...so much info u have guys,help me a lot in their role...
but the DENJAKA under which command.. is it under direct to komar chief or other part of command in komar??, example the KOPASKA under the navy fleet command
love to see DENJAKA in action...
anybody have their picture in action???

DENJAKA command are from Korps Marinir. i have some pics of DENJAKA, during this latgab... i will post it as soon as i can...

[Master Chief]

wow...so much info u have guys,help me a lot in their role... but the DENJAKA under which command.. is it under direct to komar chief or other part of command in komar??, example the KOPASKA under the navy fleet command love to see DENJAKA in action...
anybody have their picture in action???

This information is widely found in the internet.

Normally Denjaka Commandant is "only" a Lieutenant Colonel, but he reports directly to Marines Commandant (Dankormar), who is a two-star General (2 levels above him).

The two Navy fleet commands (Koarmabar & Koarmatim) each has their own Kopaska (called as Satpaska), which is headed by a Lieutenant Colonel (Navy) as well. Interestingly, each Satpaska has their own anti-terror unit.

Lots of pics of Denjaka & Kopaska have been posted in this forum.

[fcaesarn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sihrjBlMyj0

[gamez99]

correction from me... this pics was taken during trial in balinese sea. in latgab, the C-802 also being fired up. but the navy has change LAYANG camo in to grey

i know this, because now i'm covering the latgab...:):)... i will post up some pics after i get back..

sorry,, my fault :oops:

[karbol]

hi all... just get back from TNI's Wargame... this is the pics... enjoy...

the logo...
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/logolatgabTNI.jpg

the Ship...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/DSC_0127-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/DSC_8771-1.jpg


FPB-57 with c-802
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/DSC_0136-1.jpg



sigma class, firing 76mm Cannon

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/PICT1454.jpg


DENJAKA...
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/PICT1433-1.jpg

[gamez99]

hi all... just get back from TNI's Wargame... this is the pics... enjoy...


FPB-57 with c-802
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/DSC_0136-1.jpg




is that layang?? cz i can't see the hull number

btw, nice pictures... :)

[karbol]

is that layang?? cz i can't see the hull number

btw, nice pictures... :)

yup... that is KRI LAYANG 805.... with a new paint...

here's another pics... enjoy...

airborne...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/Sangatta_160608_PenerjunanPasukanLi.jpg

marine ampibhious recon
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/NATUNA-050608-JUNTAIFIB62.jpg


firing the RBU 6000
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/DSC_0069.jpg

[karbol]

where is everybody?? just want to post some pics...

this is a pics of KRI HIU, also had been equip by C-802 missile...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/hiu2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/hiu1.jpg

[karbol]

indonesia army newest SAM... the POPRAD, made in poland...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/popradui2.jpg

credit goes to Oldsoldier@kaskus.us

[Java Jongen]

indonesia army newest SAM... the POPRAD, made in poland...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/popradui2.jpg

credit goes to Oldsoldier@kaskus.us
I have seen it on TV show (CITA every sunday at 15.30 in TVRI)
in that show, these missiles are complement of ZUR-23-2KG.

[Java Jongen]

where is everybody?? just want to post some pics...

this is a pics of KRI HIU, also had been equip by C-802 missile...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/hiu2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/LATGAB/hiu1.jpg
I hear there are four FPB-57 (Nav-5 variant) wich equipped with C-802, (if I'm right) KRI-Hiu, Layang, Todak, and Lemadang

[karbol]

the navy plan was to equip all of the FPB-57 NAV-V's with C-802 missile... but so far i have only see 2 ship that equip with the missile... but, the TODAK crew said, their ship also will be equip with C-802...

[Yahoo!]

the navy plan was to equip all of the FPB-57 NAV-V's with C-802 missile... but so far i have only see 2 ship that equip with the missile... but, the TODAK crew said, their ship also will be equip with C-802...

This is interesting. Will the C802 be the main missile for the TNI AL?

Have you guys seen this other photograph of the C802 firing?

[gamez99]

indonesia army newest SAM... the POPRAD, made in poland...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/popradui2.jpg

credit goes to Oldsoldier@kaskus.us (Oldsoldier@kaskus.us)

what the specification of this weapon? and how many TNI AD have it?

[Kopassus]

A typical KOBRA anti-aircraft battery consists of:

* 3D multi-beam search radar (MMSR),
* battery command vehicle (BCV),
* mobile missile launchers POPRAD - up to 6 units,
* guns (e.g. ZUR 23-2 KG) - up to 6 units.

http://85.17.151.94/280200001-280250000/280241001-280241100/280241011_4_1i8Y.jpeg (http://www.hyves.nl/mediaLink.php?media_id=280241011&media_secret=1i8Y)

The system is easily adaptable to other types of guns and missile launchers.
The ZUR-23-2KG is manufactured by ZM Tarnów SA.
System Configuration

An example of the KOBRA system configuration is shown here above. Radar data can be used by any of the two interoperating anti-aircraft batteries. Use of the newest technology in wireless and wire data transmission makes it possible to send air pictures to both batteries when spaced up to ca. 20 km, depending on weather conditions, terrain shape, the type of weapons in use etc. The basic element of a single battery is the Battery Command Vehicle (BCV), which receives information from the MMSR radar or from an external surveillance and command system. The battery commander decides whether to engage the target with guns or fire-and-forget missiles. The possibility of deploying POPRAD missile launchers at quite a long distance from the BCV makes it possible to either organize defence of a large area or concentrate the effort selectively on dangerous directions. The guns type ZUR 23-2KG feature high firepower, additionally increased by two add-on short-range AA missiles of the GROM type.
Possible Uses

* Airport protection
* Air defence systems
* Coastal protection systems
* Area protection

The KOBRA/POPRAD system is a low-altitude/short range ADS, so i expect it has a max altitude lower than 3000m and max range of 6 km.

[Master Chief]

indonesia army newest SAM... the POPRAD, made in poland...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/popradui2.jpg

credit goes to Oldsoldier@kaskus.us

What is that folded down half-circular shape thing ?

[soutikghosh]

indonesia army newest SAM... the POPRAD, made in poland...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/popradui2.jpg

credit goes to Oldsoldier@kaskus.us

Which vehicle are they mounted on?

[Dark Avenger]

Land Rover Defender 6x6.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/377/landrover6x6withpopradmp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[fcaesarn]

One of the local TV news about the TNI join military exercise..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sihrjBlMyj0

[DavidDCM]

What is that folded down half-circular shape thing ?

It's folded up when not combat-ready and supports the canvas cover that you can see behind the driver cabin. The weapon turret can be lowered.

[karbol]

This is interesting. Will the C802 be the main missile for the TNI AL?

Have you guys seen this other photograph of the C802 firing?

not as a main missile for the navy, i think.. co'z the navy still expecting the exocetMM40 that will be deliver in 2009, to equip the sigma class ship. and also i heard the navy still interesting in YAKHONT...

anyway, thx for the photos...

[karbol]

S. Korea to Ink Subs-for-Aircraft Deal With Indonesia
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/080630_p01_01(1).jpg

By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter

South Korea is nearing a $1-billion deal with Indonesia to trade two of its 1,300-ton attack submarines and related technology for eight Indonesian-built advanced maritime patrol aircraft, a military source said Monday.

Arms procurement officials from the two nations, which forged a ``strategic partnership'' in December 2006, will meet next week in Indonesia to sign a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on the proposed deal, the source said.

``The two sides have virtually finalized the deal, as Indonesia accepted our final proposal on June 12 when its vice defense chief was visiting,'' the source privy to the deal told The Korea Times on condition of anonymity.

``As long as there are no other developments, the two sides will sign an MOU during the meeting to implement the project,'' he said.

Unless the MOU is signed during the working-level talks, Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee will address the issue with his Indonesian counterpart when he visits Jakarta this month, he said.

Russia is also competing to sell its submarines to Indonesia by offering a package of weapons systems, including attack and transport helicopters, and armored vehicles, along with cash, he noted.

Under the ``counter-purchase mechanism,'' the source said, South Korea will export two Type-209 Changbogo-class submarines, built by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering in technical cooperation with Germany's Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), and transfer related technology to Indonesia.

The diesel/electric propulsion sub, measuring 56 meters in length and 5.5 meters in width, can submerge to a depth up to 250 meters and has an underwater endurance of some 15 days. It has a surface speed of 11 knots and can cruise submerged at a speed of 22 knots. The sub can carry up to 33 sailors.

The Korean Navy operates nine Type-209 submarines armed with torpedoes and submarine-to-surface missiles. The per-unit price is more than $200 million.

In return, Indonesia's arms manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) will deliver eight CN-235 aircraft for maritime patrol operations to Korea as part of offest contracts , the source said, adding the Korea Coast Guard will operate the aircraft.

The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop airplane, jointly developed by Indonesia and Spain, and is widely used by a number of foreign operators, such as the U.S. Coast Guard, Malaysia, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates for maritime patrol, surveillance and troop transport.

The aircraft has a top cruising speed of 509 km/h and can operate at an altitude of 9,145m. It has a range of 5,000 km with maximum fuel and 2870 km with a 4,000-kg payload. A variant for maritime patrol costs some $25 million, said the source.

Korea purchased eight CN-235s for VIP and transport units in the early 2000s in a similar trade deal with Indonesia, which bought a squadron of Korea's indigenous KT-1 Woongbi basic trainer jets and hundreds of military vehicles. The deal was worth $150 million.

The envisaged subs-for-aircraft deal is expected to help boost Korea's defense industry further by resuscitating the production line for Changbogo-class submarines, another source said.

``I believe the deal would be mutually beneficial,'' he said. ``For Korea's part, the submarine exports would not only help raise the low operational capacity of the country's shipbuilders in the future, but also offer more chances to get more submarine contracts from Indonesia and other nations.''

In a move to boost bilateral cooperation in the defense industry, Former President Roh Moo-hyun and his Indonesian counterpart, Susilo Bambang Yodhoyono, issued a joint declaration on “strategic partnership relationship” during a summit in December 2006.

The two leaders agreed to improve cooperation on defense-related technology transfer and joint development.

Last December, South Korea’s rolling stock maker Rotem agreed with Indonesia’s PT.PINDAD on the joint development and production of six-wheel-drive armored vehicles.

gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr (gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr)


link: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/06/205_26758.html

[makavelli]

does this means new cn235 for korean refurbished 209?
how many 209's does Indo currently operate?

[fcaesarn]

does this means new cn235 for korean refurbished 209?
how many 209's does Indo currently operate?

Nope, It doesn't to be like that... The CN-235 MPA will be bartered with the 209 subs which Korea built under German license... We hope that this deal will transfer the subs manufacturing technology to our PT. PAL Shipyard...

[makavelli]

too bad...
thats an old subs still...
why not get those 212's or Lada's to compliment with Kilo's Indo ordered..

[karbol]

maybe korean offer the gov't a good deal (including transfer of technology)... or maybe their sub's are cheaper...:)

[caksz]

What happen to the kilo deal ? indo do operate type 209 right ... how about a deal of the 2 subs and a refit for their older 209 by the korean.

[karbol]

i think (or hope....:)) the KILO deal still in progress. but, lately, the news said, we have some difficulty about the deal.

[r0m8470]

Another one of those MoU? When will the actual construction schedule or purchase contract is going to be signed?

Let's see over the years of what has been reported:
- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

- Sukhoi weaponries - sure, a bunch of free fall bombs with multiple ejector racks.

- Russian corvette with Spanish-made hulls - is that a hoax or what?

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no ..... they've got empty quivers, no Exocet or Mistral, only the launchers. Well, at least they look sharp and dapper.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

- Kilo subs - has not materialized yet ....

- F-16C offers - apparently once embargoed does not make the government twice shy .... (tribute to the band Great White .... :P). I think finally somebody came to their senses .... not all of them can be idiots ......

- TD-2000 - the super duper mysterious Chinese AAA - insert your joke here ......

- C802 - well, I'll be damned, this one actually shows up - with firing trials and all. So I guess there will be 3 different SSM in service (Exocet, Harpoon, C802)?

- L159 - another one of those MoU (???)

- Tucano - this one if (big IF) it really happens is perplexing. The Air force has some Wong Bees - wouldn't it be easier to arm the Wong Bees instead? Less pilot training, commonality from logistical standpoint etc?

- LVTP7 Amtrak donation - no more news lately

- National corvette - ???

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU

That's a long list, I'm tired just listing them ...... What do you guys think?

[ggk]

Another one of those MoU? When will the actual construction schedule or purchase contract is going to be signed?

Let's see over the years of what has been reported:
- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

- Sukhoi weaponries - sure, a bunch of free fall bombs with multiple ejector racks.

- Russian corvette with Spanish-made hulls - is that a hoax or what?

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no ..... they've got empty quivers, no Exocet or Mistral, only the launchers. Well, at least they look sharp and dapper.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

- Kilo subs - has not materialized yet ....

- F-16C offers - apparently once embargoed does not make the government twice shy .... (tribute to the band Great White .... :P). I think finally somebody came to their senses .... not all of them can be idiots ......

- TD-2000 - the super duper mysterious Chinese AAA - insert your joke here ......

- C802 - well, I'll be damned, this one actually shows up - with firing trials and all. So I guess there will be 3 different SSM in service (Exocet, Harpoon, C802)?

- L159 - another one of those MoU (???)

- Tucano - this one if (big IF) it really happens is perplexing. The Air force has some Wong Bees - wouldn't it be easier to arm the Wong Bees instead? Less pilot training, commonality from logistical standpoint etc?

- LVTP7 Amtrak donation - no more news lately

- National corvette - ???

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU

That's a long list, I'm tired just listing them ...... What do you guys think?

i think you are trolloping...this is a TNI in Gallery (the New Photos) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3360232#post3360232) thread.

[r0m8470]

ha ha .... yeah, not exactly the right forum.

Mea culpa.

... maybe I'll start a new board. In the meantime - can anybody comments on all those 'supposed' procurements?

[karbol]

i can answer some of your question...

- Additional Sukhois - have not materialized yet, contrast this with Malaysians or Venezuelans Sukhois - which arrive in bunches, presumably with ordnance

answer: we have some difficulty with rusia. i think you already heard the news...

- Mil choppers and Skytruck mpa - I read somewhere that the Mil helicopters deal was stopped due to improper funding (?) and why buy Skytruck mpa if indigenously produced cn-235 can fit the bill?

answer: the deal for skytruckMPA are canceled.

- Sigma corvette - yes, finally 4 reasonably modern design, good combat mgmt systems and all - and oh no .....
answer: the weapon for the sigma are coming in 2009, including exocetMM-40.

- Various point defence and manpads - Giant bow, Grom, QW-3 what else? Were all these purchases done just to evaluate? Maybe start the manpads collection? There's a common method in the industry, it's called an RFQ and then competitively bid the project through a set of requirements. It's a simple business concept.

answer: the airforce allready buy more QW's... right now, we have abou 200 missile in our inventory...

- MoU for Mistral Atlas system - another one of those MoU
answer: the MoU are not for the missile, but for the vehicle that bulid by PINDAD...

i believe i can't satisfied u'r curiosity... but believe me, in the near future, we have some new toys..p-)

[ggk]

i have nothing against you pal. You can open a discussion thread on TNI at general disscussion http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5.

Unless ofcourse u post some picture related to your question

[henzai]

too bad...
thats an old subs still...
why not get those 212's or Lada's to compliment with Kilo's Indo ordered..

if PAL can get the "technical assistant" for 209 then PAL can easily adopt the 212 concept.......since the 212 sub is naturaly the 209+AIP propulsion+new low noise propeller+new fuel cell+ n a bit frame construction...
n if PAL someday......:roll:.....can modify 209 to 212...then 214 is one step ahead.....
n
some sez PAL might get the AIP technology....for the 209...

[karbol]

as i told you guys before, we gona have new toys in the near future... so here we go. new Mi-17 just arrive in Juanda Airport, Surabaya...


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-1.jpg


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-2.jpg

photo by ANTARA, link: http://www.antaraphoto.com/dom/?pg=3
news link (in bahasa): http://alutsista.blogspot.com/

[aswp01]

Finally those helos arrived but are they part of the much publicized $1billion deal with Russia or are they not?

If they do, that means behind the screen some deals are going through without public knowing. Bravo for the TNI in keeping these surprises. :)

[Kopassus]

wuhaaa! How much did we received?
Do we get 5 or 6 Mi35Ps in total?
Thanks for the pictures Karbol!

[karbol]

news link about the Mi-17: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080703/112928894.html



(http://en.rian.ru/world/)
First three Russian military helicopters delivered to Indonesia


20:42 | 03/ 07/ 2008 http://img.rian.ru/i/b_print.gif (http://en.rian.ru/world/20080703/112928894-print.html)
SURABAYA, July 3 (RIA Novosti) - The first three Russian Mi-17-B5 Hip H medium assault/transport helicopters were delivered to Indonesia on Thursday.
Russia signed a contract with Indonesia in 2005 to supply six helicopters made by the Kazan helicopter plant.
"Three helicopters were delivered to the Indonesian ground forces base in the city of Surabaya this morning. Their assembly will start Friday," Andrei Mironov, who will oversee the assembly of the helicopters, told RIA Novosti Thursday.
Mironov said the remaining three helicopters would arrive in the country soon.
Nikolai Kireyev, a representative of Russian state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport in Jakarta, said 15 pilots and technical specialists from Indonesia visited the Kazan helicopter plant in Russia's Volga area in the spring for three months of training.
In fall 2007, then Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with Indonesia's leadership on Russia allocating a $1 billion loan for Indonesia to buy 22 helicopters, 20 tanks and two submarines made in Russia. Additionally, Jakarta said it would buy six Su aircraft worth a total of $335 million.
Mi-17 is a version of the Mi-8 airframe. The helicopter has a takeoff weight of 13 metric tons and can carry up to 36 people or a payload of 4 tons within the cabin or 4.5 tons outside it. The helicopters have been delivered to 80 countries.
--------------------

....from the news, i think this helo's are not from US$ 1 Billion credit in 2007. it's said from contract in 2005, that being hold co'z off corruption case... so, we can hope more helo's to come...

[spiderweb6969]

from Tempur June 2008

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-4.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-5.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

[karbol]

from Tempur June 2008


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff89/spyder-album1/Indonesia/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

thx spiderweb... but the magz totally wrong about pics above... those are not indonesia air force, but marine... also the missile are strella not QW-3. i knew it, coz i took the pics...:roll:

[fcaesarn]

Finally, revealed the the TNI misterious weapon system bought from China... TD 2000

Captured from tempur magazine

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-4.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-5.jpg

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/Tpr-06june2008-6.jpg

[Tunasa]

^
^
^
Fcaesarn, those scanned pages were posted already on page 86. Please, try not to post a same thing twice.

[karbol]

just want to add new pics... enjoy:):)...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/p-1-a.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/p-1-c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/p-1-d.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/p-2-b.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/SSARMED.jpg

[equilibrium37]

nicep pics karbol; next time you should bring one of us to those SS2 fire tests that you've attented often i pressume. just a thought haha.

[karbol]

^^ equilibrium37, (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=26764)when u will be back to indonesia? sure i like too take you test the riffle:) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=26764).....

anyway... this is a rare publics pics of DENJAKA... enjoy..

credit goes to AJIBOON@KASKUS.US

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Jaka4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Jaka13.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Jaka11.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Jaka5.jpg

[karbol]

steyr AUG A3 in Indonesian Police Service... picture taken from : http://reinhardjambi.wordpress.com/


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/augA-3-a.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/au.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/augA-3-b.jpg

[karbol]

SS-2 with SPG-1...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ss-2c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/SS-2D.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/SS-2E.jpg

[Java Jongen]

^^ equilibrium37, (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=26764)when u will be back to indonesia? sure i like too take you test the riffle:) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=26764).....

anyway... this is a rare publics pics of DENJAKA... enjoy..

credit goes to AJIBOON@KASKUS.US




http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Jaka5.jpg
is that Colt M-4 Carbine??

[nomind]

@^
that's an HK416

[ZAYYANA]

steyr AUG A3 in Indonesian Police Service... picture taken from : http://reinhardjambi.wordpress.com/


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/augA-3-a.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/au.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/augA-3-b.jpg

Cool..... new toys for the Police, but I believe this thread for the Indonesian TNI not for the Police...

One question, in the last picture seems like some Police using a desert boot while the others not, is it allow by their commander and where was this picture taken?

[masABRI]

the boots are dessert boots because they are police officer contingent that are trained to be sent to Darfur Sudan as UN civil police force...

from the photo surroundings it seems the picture are taken in east Java - mount bromo...

[equilibrium37]

Who cares zayyana; not everyday you can see pictures of an operator armed with an AUG A3.. So just enjoy them pictures mate. Ey masabri; havent heard from you for a quite a while. Oh does anyone knows what ever the hell hapenned to silent-hunter? havent heard from that chap.

[karbol]

^^wootwoot... hore... masABRI has come back...

[equilibrium37]

Karbol; whats the news on those Exocet and mistrals for the SIGMA corvettes ?
I've been in Jakarta for about 3-4 weeks now, i just havent gotten the chance to lure around the site.

[karbol]

Karbol; whats the news on those Exocet and mistrals for the SIGMA corvettes ?
I've been in Jakarta for about 3-4 weeks now, i just havent gotten the chance to lure around the site.

Nothing new... the missile will be deliver in 2009. the goodnews is, the new KSAL (Navy Chief of staff) said we will build a squadron of subs. and the news about korean subs are true...

[alsadiyarto]

Nothing new... the missile will be deliver in 2009. the goodnews is, the new KSAL (Navy Chief of staff) said we will build a squadron of subs. and the news about korean subs are true...

Really? Are you absolutely positively 100% sure that we're gonna get new subs???...or it's just another high-ranking officer/politician's wishfull thinking lip-service BS?

[karbol]

Really? Are you absolutely positively 100% sure that we're gonna get new subs???...or it's just another high-ranking officer/politician's wishfull thinking lip-service BS?

well... i think we have to think positive:)... yesterday, i call my friend in navy, he said that news is true...:)

[makavelli]

welcome back masABRI

[makavelli]

From todays pic

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd66/lancero11/julho/20080712062031ENLUS0141137412158436.jpg

Indonesian guards of honour salute during the meeting of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and his Brazilian counterpart Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (not pictured) at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, 12 July 2008. Lula is in Jakarta to boost cooperation between Indonesia and Brazil

[makavelli]

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk214/venomjeka/DSC01535-1.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk214/venomjeka/DSC01536.jpg

@Makassar...

thanks to veno.jeka

[fcaesarn]

SS-2 with SPG-1...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ss-2c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/SS-2D.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/SS-2E.jpg


Is the SPG-1 that attached on the SS-2 is designed for SS-2 rifle, or it is designed for SS-1 coz It seem that the SPG doesn't in line with the SS-2 Barrel, it looks little bit goes down....

[Ominae]

Is that Browning-like pistol the Pindad P1?

[karbol]

yup.. those are PINDAD P-1...

[masABRI]

hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[masABRI]

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9636/1001027sa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4425/1001028de7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6866/1001030hi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[fcaesarn]

hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow.. When did they d this thing?? Is this part of the pimp my tanks show?? What kind of upgrade did they make??

[ggk]

That is luxury! and wicked too...good pic

[Java Jongen]

hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8290/1001026pj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9372/1001024er7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
the never ending sarachen

[karbol]

hi everybody..thanks for the warm welcome...yes masabri is back! & i'm back w/ few 'oleh-oleh' from bandung...
no i'm not bringing peuyeum..haha!

'oleh-oleh' = gifts


anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look


inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge




but i was hoping you bring us 'peuyeum-puan'... hahahaha... just kidding bro.

that's good pics... where they build this (the upgrade)? PINDAD?

[fcaesarn]

the never ending sarachen

At what time they will have this saracen pensioned?? After they upraded BTR-50 and Saracen, what kind of other old inventories they will upgrade soon??

[Java Jongen]

At what time they will have this saracen pensioned?? After they upraded BTR-50 and Saracen, what kind of other old inventories they will upgrade soon??
I don't know...but we have too many old inventories have been upgraded, like M-101s, D-30, S-60, PT-76, and etc.

[ZAYYANA]

anybody know what had happen with the indonesian TU-16, coz Indonesian have more than a dozen of TU-16... one of it we can found it in the museum in Yogyakarta.

for the mig-21, I heard that uncle sam took it and make a barter with their products (sabre)

[fcaesarn]

anybody know what had happen with the indonesian TU-16, coz Indonesian have more than a dozen of TU-16... one of it we can found it in the museum in Yogyakarta.

for the mig-21, I heard that uncle sam took it and make a barter with their products (sabre)


http://www.indonesiaindonesia.com/f/1894-tu-16-bomber-indonesia-menggetarkan-dunia

It was unfortunate to note that foreign political pressure and domestic economic difficulties finally sealed the fate of the mighty Tu-16. For example, "In order for AURI to receive F-86 Sabres and T-33 T-birds from the US, we have to get rid of all the Tu-16s," said Bagio Utomo, who used to be one of the members of Skatek 042, who maintained the Tu-16.

It was undeniable that the Tu-16 was advanced for its time. As well as equipped with the latest electronic gadgets, its body was sturdy. Tu-16s were not perfect, the replacement of spare parts was sometimes difficult. "Some had to be refined and fitted manually. Some of the blisters had to be smoothen by hand." AURI later tried to sell their Tu-16s to the Egyptians but the deal did not materialize.

The farewell flight to the Tu-16 took place in October 1970. With 10 people aboard, a TU-16 numbered M-1625 flew from Madiun to Jakarta. "We almost got lost when we were looking for the National Monument (Monas)." Even up to the middle of the 80s the US government still considered the Tu-16 was a threat for its national security.

"My name is still registered as a Tu-16 pilot in Subic Bay," said Sudjijantono, from Cakra 1. Since the Air and Naval Force could not find spare parts anymore, they realised that they are more dependent on imported advanced technology than the Army. In the begining of 1970, Air Force Chief Air Marshal Suwoto Sukendar said that only 15-20 percent of the Air Force fleet remained operational, while it was 40 percent of the Navydue to the cut-off of imports of spare-parts from the Soviet Union. 1970 became a year of destructing the East Block weapons.(ben/avi/ron/sal/ida)

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/badger.jpg

It's the last Badger we own... Now it is on the Indonesian Air Force Museum on Jogjakarta...
The rest of It... Mistery?? I still don't know where they are now...

[DavidDCM]

Is it known when the BTR-50 upgrade will take place? And will it look like the one posted by karbol from the Pindad factory some months ago? What did they do to improve the swimming capabilities? The prototype looked more like a face-lift, without any visible signs of improved floating capabilities.

For those who can't remember :D



A bonus... when i visit PINDAD, i saw this... a modified BTR-50!!!

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/PICT1311.jpg

[fcaesarn]

I just found an old video footage about Kopassus' Sat-81 Gultor, A low quality video but it's good overall... Check it out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=435f_3IQSrs

[ZAYYANA]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn206/fcaesarn/badger.jpg

It's the last Badger we own... Now it is on the Indonesian Air Force Museum on Jogjakarta...
The rest of It... Mistery?? I still don't know where they are now...

Thanks fcaesarn, the point is the rest of TU-16s still mistery now right...?

Anybody can find a source from the air force where the rest..? appreciated.
It's too bad that TNI didn't use it in their operation in the last decade.

[Master Chief]

SS-2 with SPG-1...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ss-2c.jpg



The SPG-1A was originally designed to be attached under SS1. The SS1's plastic forehand grip has to be removed first before we can attach the grenade launcher.

On the SS2 picture above, I'm guessing that the SPG-1A was modified to be fit into the SS2 without having to take-off the SS2's forehand grip.

Also, I couldn't see the foldable iron sight for the grenade launcher.

[Master Chief]

hi everybody..thanks for the warm

anyway...here's our 'dinosaur' VIP trasport/command unit stormer is slightly upgraded to be ready to enter digital era warfare..
are now equipted w/ battle management system

outside look
[/URL]

inside look...nice eh? leather seat, air conditioner & fridge
[URL="http://imageshack.us"] (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9244/1001039err2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Can anybody tell what "Battle Management" system this is ?

[karbol]

Is it known when the BTR-50 upgrade will take place? And will it look like the one posted by karbol from the Pindad factory some months ago? What did they do to improve the swimming capabilities? The prototype looked more like a face-lift, without any visible signs of improved floating capabilities.

For those who can't remember :D

AFAIK, they change the machine with chinese made. also navigation system.. but i dont know for sure about the type...

[Siclad]

Can anybody tell what "Battle Management" system this is ?
This is FINDERS C2 system from french company NEXTER. In France it is installed in LECLERC tanks, AMX 10RC, Panhard VBL, VBCI ...

NEXTER was formely known as "GIAT industries" and even before "AMX/APX". This means that all "AMX something" (10, 13, 30 ...) vehicles are NEXTER older products.

[Dark Avenger]

One more thing: The command vehicle masABRI posted is not a Stormer, but a Saracen.

[fcaesarn]

AFAIK, they change the machine with chinese made. also navigation system.. but i dont know for sure about the type...

The upgraded BTR-50, have new instrument such as:
-Fire extinguisher
-new electronics system
-GPS
-NVG
-Communication System
-Air Conditoner

And Also new exterior for BTR-50

More detail about the modification
http://buletinlitbang.dephan.go.id/index.asp?vnomor=17&mnorutisi=8
(In Bahasa)

[karbol]

kopassus during CQB training...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/kop-1-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/Kop-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/kop-8.jpg

[fcaesarn]

/\/\/\ Ths for the pics

More pics from The Red Barret

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSCA002118a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/dsc00001a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSC_0106a.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/ajiboon/DSC_7367a.jpg

[Master Chief]

kopassus during CQB training...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/kop-8.jpg

This is a CQB dry-drill, with empty rifles.
I hope they will use SMG instead of assault rifles for the live practise.

[Master Chief]

This is FINDERS C2 system from french company NEXTER. In France it is installed in LECLERC tanks, AMX 10RC, Panhard VBL, VBCI ...

NEXTER was formely known as "GIAT industries" and even before "AMX/APX". This means that all "AMX something" (10, 13, 30 ...) vehicles are NEXTER older products.

Thanks. Tell us more what it does.

[Siclad]

Check this link to the manufacturer website :
http://www.nexter-group.fr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=77&lang=en

[makavelli]

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7316.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7318.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7317.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7315.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7314.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7312.jpg

Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei with President Susilo Yudhoyono and Kopaskhas
thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

[makavelli]

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17402075.jpg
Indonesia - Jakarta - 61st Anniversary of the Indonesia Military
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (R) reviews soldiers during a ceremony honoring the 61st anniversary of the Indonesian military in Jakarta.
Image: © Xinhua Press/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Date Photographed: October 5, 2006
Location Information: INDONESIA
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-20416606.jpg
Indonesia - Military Commanders - Hand- over Ceremony
Gend.Supiadi As (L), former Aceh Military Commander, stands next to his colleague Gend. Soenarko (R) a new Military Commander in Aceh, during the Aceh Military Commander hand over ceremony in Banda Aceh. Indonesia has pulled out more than 20, 000 troops from Aceh, after Free Aceh Movement and Indonesian Government agreed to end the longest conflict in Indonesia by signing the MoU ini Helsinki Finlandia in 2005.
Image: © Hotli Simanjuntak/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Hotli Simanjuntak
Date Photographed: July 14, 2008
Location Information: Banda Aceh, Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17399366.jpg
Indonesia - Military - 61th Anniversary
Indonesian soldiers practice before a ceremony to mark its 61st anniversary. Indonesia was expected to dispatch 850 troops to Lebanon as the first batch of Indonesian soldiers joining the UN-led peace-keeping force in the Middle East country.
Image: © Bagus Indahono/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Bagus Indahono
Location Information: Jakarta, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-17399314.jpg
Indonesia - Military - 61th Anniversary
Indonesian soldiers prepare their uniforms before the military anniversary ceremony. The Indonesian military celebrate its 61th anniversary on 05 October 2006.
Image: © Made Nagi/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Made Nagi
Date Photographed: October 5, 2006
Location Information: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-15199478.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-15199473.jpg
Indonesia's Military Special Forces Kopassus. (sorry repost)
Indonesia's Special Force soldiers, known as Kopassus, line up for drills at headquarters outside Jakarta.
Image: © Jacqueline M. Koch/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Photographer: Jacqueline M. Koch
Date Photographed: April 17, 2002
Location Information: Jakarta, Java, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16194926.jpg
Indonesian - Aceh - Military Withdrawal
Indonesia has been withdrawing troops in Aceh in the frame of the peace agreement with the Free Aceh Movement.
Image: © Nani Afrida/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Nani Afrida
Date Photographed: December 29, 2005
Location Information: Krueng Geukuh Port, North Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16111020.jpg
An Indonesian Soldier Stands on Guard
An Indonesian soldier stands guard with his automatic rifle on top of an Armored Personnel carrier (APC) while on patrol.
Image: © epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Date Photographed: October 12, 2003
Location Information: Aceh Besar, Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/DWF15-376250.jpg
Unrest in Aceh
Indonesian soldiers patrol a village, where locals claim the burnings of houses and the killing of a 34-year-old man were carried out by Indonesian soldiers. The Indonesian government launched a military incursion into the troubled gas and oil rich province on May 19 in an attempt to root out Acehnese separatist fighters. --- Photo by Naashon Zalk/Corbis
Image: © Naashon Zalk/Corbis
Collection: Corbis News
Standard RM
Photographer: Naashon Zalk
Date Photographed: May 27, 2003
Location Information: Lawang, Aceh, Indonesia
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/TL038654.jpg
Indonesian Soldiers
Image: © Peter Turnley/CORBIS
Collection: Turnley
Standard RM
Photographer: Peter Turnley
Date Photographed: May 18, 1998
Location Information: Jakarta, Indonesia

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-16204354.jpg
Indonesia - Flood
An Indonesian soldiers carries an old woman as he helps during an evacuation after their village was hit by a flash flood, at Panty village, in Jember, East Java, Tuesday 03 January 2006. Heavy flash floods and landslides have killed at least 57 and left thousands homeless in East Java province, officials said Tuesday. Officials feared the death toll may rise further as people were still listed missing and feared dead. Triggered by heavy rains, rivers passing four subdistricts of East Java?s Jember regency overflowed, inundating thousands of homes and forcing residents to seek shelter at mosques and government buildings, according to Jember district spokesman Hartomo.
Image: © ENDAH/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: ENDAH
Date Photographed: January 3, 2006
Location Information: JEMBER, EAST JAVA, indonesia

[ggk]

you know Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah were a military enthusiast like us...im not surprise if he have an account here in MP.net he he

BTW great pic!

[hawkeye88]

Guys, I just wanna ask bout Pindad...

Someone got info from local newspaper and he said that SS2 has been exported to African countries like Mozambique, Nigeria, etc??

I'm definitely curious bout it. Can anyone help??

Moreover, Pindad has a new logo... extremely total make over.... compare to t old one...

[henzai]

Guys, I just wanna ask bout Pindad...

Someone got info from local newspaper and he said that SS2 has been exported to African countries like Mozambique, Nigeria, etc??

I'm definitely curious bout it. Can anyone help??

Moreover, Pindad has a new logo... extremely total make over.... compare to t old one...

probably....

some pics of pindad ss1 of sudan elite troops

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102700

[Tunasa]

That one looks more like beretta SC-70 than SS-1

[DavidDCM]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f113/helmardani/TNI/72597628.jpg

For comparison.
They have another flash hider, that's all I can see with my tired eyes. Need to go to bed now. Good night.

[karbol]

you know Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah were a military enthusiast like us...im not surprise if he have an account here in MP.net he he

BTW great pic!

...and i'm not surprise if he own the MP.net..hehehe:)

[Ominae]

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the TNI for that upgrade. I mean the ones with the fridge. I understand air conditioning though...

[Master Chief]

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/tentara/7312.jpg

thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

Anybody knows the story behind it; relationship between Sultan & Korpaskhas ?

[Kopassus]

Anybody knows the story behind it; relationship between Sultan & Korpaskhas ?
Ranger and Raider on the same uniform from Korpaskhas?
Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah Jenderal Besar?

[Kopassus]

[quote=makavelli;3421508]


Location Information: INDONESIA
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/radenladen/42-20416606.jpg
Indonesia - Military Commanders - Hand- over Ceremony
Gend.Supiadi As (L), former Aceh Military Commander, stands next to his colleague Gend. Soenarko (R) a new Military Commander in Aceh, during the Aceh Military Commander hand over ceremony in Banda Aceh. Indonesia has pulled out more than 20, 000 troops from Aceh, after Free Aceh Movement and Indonesian Government agreed to end the longest conflict in Indonesia by signing the MoU ini Helsinki Finlandia in 2005.
Image: © Hotli Simanjuntak/epa/Corbis
Collection: EPA
Standard RM
Photographer: Hotli Simanjuntak
Date Photographed: July 14, 2008
Location Information: Banda Aceh, Aceh, Indonesia









The Rapier still active?

[Tunasa]

Not the one on the picture for sure, it has "drill" word on the missiles.

[Java Jongen]

What about RBS-70?? still operated now??

[Kopassus]

Good question, really dont know.
I Have read in another forum that we have bought recently some S60's, did we really bought some of this stuf?

[karbol]

^^i think not kopassus. we are not buy, but retrofit last S-60 we have... one we bought from china is a TD-2000. is a air deffence system, so the S-60 can operated with radar and missile system...

[fcaesarn]

^^i think not kopassus. we are not buy, but retrofit last S-60 we have... one we bought from china is a TD-2000. is a air deffence system, so the S-60 can operated with radar and missile system...

Yup, we didn't buy new s-60, but we retrofitted s-60 with German technology inside.. recently we order SHORAD system from China called TD-2000 which will integrate SHORAD and The retrofitted s-60... but still we don't know exactly when it will deliver to Indonesia...

[karbol]

vid of indonesia army Mi-35 durring 100th years of indonesia awakening day (100 th HARKITNAS)

http://www.youtube.com/v/AhQf7r9Vj9Q&hl=en&fs=1

if dont show up, chek out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhQf7r9Vj9Q

[karbol]

again, TNI performance at natonal awakening day... note at last minute, the silent drill by korps marinir..

http://www.youtube.com/v/JZX7LHPp1-I&hl=en&fs=1

url link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZX7LHPp1-I

[aneep]

good pics
Sultan of Brunei is like a collector of berets, he got alot from various elite units

-aneep-

[Kopassus]

Thanks Karbol! Sayang sekali the clip ended when Kormar just began the silent drill.
I also want to know how the Mi-35P clip ends......really beautiful movie!!

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar5.jpg
KANEOHE, Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion working with U.S. Marines launch an assault on an enemy stronghold after performing an over the beach infiltration during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008. RIMPAC is the world's largest multinational exercise and is scheduled biennially by the U.S. Pacific Fleet. Participants include the United States, Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, the Netherlands, Peru, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom. (U.S Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Walter Pels/Released)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RImpacKormar4.jpg
KANEOHE, Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines conduct a practice weapons cache raid with U.S. Marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar6.jpg
Hawaii (July 27, 2008) Indonesian marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion working with U.S. Marines launch an assault on an enemy stronghold after performing an over the beach infiltration during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar2.jpg
BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines take cover during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RimpacKormar1.jpg
BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines advance through a field during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

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BARKING SANDS, Hawaii (July 14, 2008) Indonesian Marines storm the beach during a beach assault exercise at Pacific Missile Range Facility Barking Sands as part of this year's Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2008 exercise.

[Kopassus]

I didnt know we use the M16A2. Or did we borrowed them from the US?

[karbol]

Thanks Karbol! Sayang sekali the clip ended when Kormar just began the silent drill.
I also want to know how the Mi-35P clip ends......really beautiful movie!!

those are the end of the clip...

[Master Chief]

I didnt know we use the M16A2. Or did we borrowed them from the US?

If you see the pictures, all gears were property of the host, including M16-A2 rifles, helmets & vests. I don't know about the face camo paint. :)

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/CampKarangTekok1.jpg
CAMP KARANG TEKOK, Indonesia - Lance Cpl. James Cleveland (right), 2nd Platoon, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, is relieved by an Indonesian Marine during an urban patrolling course. The course was part of a bilateral field training exercise between Marines and Sailors from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit and the Indonesian Marines and was designed to increase interoperability and enhance military to military relationships.

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A U.S. Marine (left) from Fox Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, relieves an Indonesian Marine's position during an urban patrollng course, March 11.

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Staff Sgt. Isaul Montez, platoon segeant, 2nd Platoon, Fox Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, explains urban patrolling and counter Improvised Explosive Device techniques to Indonesian Marines, March 11, during a bilateral field training exercise. The exercise included vehicle and entry control point classes, a combat lifesaver course and urban patrolling all designed to increase interoperabilty and enhance military to military relationships.

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Indonesian Marine 1st Lt. Arif Supriyid, F Company Commander, 4th Battalion, 4th Marines, counters a kick from 2nd Lt. Clay Popham, 2nd Platoon Commander, F Company, Battalion Landing Team 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, March 11, during an intorduction to Pencak Silat, an Indonesian martial art.

[karbol]

good pics masterchief... and here's mine, the new Mi-17V for indonesian army... enjoy...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-1copy.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-10.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-11.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-12.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-2-1.jpg

[Master Chief]

good pics masterchief... and here's mine, the new Mi-17V for indonesian army... enjoy...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/mi-17-1copy.jpg



Dissapointed :-(. A very basic personnel & cargo helo.
I thought it will be a semi-gunship version, as below.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Helos/mi-17-1v-01.jpg

[aneep]

all the items in the second pic (assault) can be added to the transport version,
1)engine suppressor 2)chaff/flare dispenser 3)rocket pod 4)gun pod
the nose of the TNI AD's Mi-17 looks slightly longer, different radar?

-aneep-

[karbol]

^^thx aneep for the explanation. dont worry masterchief... if we can modified the FPB-57 with Missile or the NBO-105 with rocket, i'm sure we also can modified this helo with various weapon...:)

[Kopassus]

Thanks Karbol! At last we have some Mi-17's...

[Wally1967]

Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

[karbol]

Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

AFAIK, last month indonesia air force and RAAF do some training together. but i dont have the pics... IdAF use the F-16's and the RAAF use their Hornet's

[Master Chief]

Hi guys,

Have Indonesian military had any training with Australian/NZ military for the last few years?

great pics guys

Wally

Check out page 25 for Rajawali Ausindo Exercise 2006.
You may search the internet using keyword "Ausindo".

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020081.jpg
A Indonesian navy special force member guards the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008. USNS Mary Sears (T-AGS 65) is a US Pathfinder class oceanographic survey ship, which picked up signals from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder of an Indonesia's Adam Air plane that crashed on 2007 New Year's Day, killing all 102 people on board. The Mary Sears is in Indonesia for a "friendship" visit.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020082.jpg
Indonesian navy special force command troops guard the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USNSMarySearsMay2020083.jpg
Indonesian navy special force command troops guard the US Naval Ship Mary Sears at Jakarta's international seaport on February 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/USSBlueRidgeFeb2020081.jpg
Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit patrol near U.S. Navy command ship USS Blue Ridge which is currently on a port visit at Tanjung Priok port in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday, May 12, 2008.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920071.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920072.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920073.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920074.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920075.jpg
Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit land on a beach after a patrol around the venue of the U.N. climate change conference in Nusa Dua, Bali island, Indonesia, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007. Delegates from nearly 190 nations are attending the Dec. 3-14 meeting in Bali and are likely to agree to launch negotiations that will lead to an international accord to succeed the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on global warming.

[Master Chief]

Prelude:
"Once upon a time, there were some jungle combats between SAS & Indonesian RPKAD somewhere along Kalimantan-Sabah & Serawak border.
Then, there was a time when SAS trained the Indonesian Kopassandha, which until now has been a part of Kopassus commando school curriculum.
Recently, the SAS big chief visited Kopassus to strenghthening the ties with this particular elite unit."

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Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor soldiers "storm" a building during drill to show their skill to visiting British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008. Stirrup is in Indonesia on a four-day-official visit aimed at tightening military ties between the two countries.

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British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (R) shakes hands with Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor soldiers after they demonstrated a drill at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

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British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (R) fires a weapon during a drill by Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor at the army special forces headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

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British Chief of Defence Staff Jock Stirrup (C) fires a weapon during a drill by Indonesian counter terrorist force Gultor at the army special force headquarters in Jakarta on April 25, 2008.

[Master Chief]

thanks to RubenLaden@kaskus.us

Additional pics:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SultanBruneiApr2320082.jpg
Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah (L) and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono attend a ceremony wearing full Indonesian Air Force uniform in Jakarta on April 23, 2008. Bolkiah was given honourary membership of the Indonesian Air Force special unit, Korpaskhas, and was awarded an wing brevet. The Sultan is in Indonesia on a three-day official visit.

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Indonesian Air Force special unit Bravo soldiers rescue a "hostages" during a drill witnessed by the Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (not in picture) in Jakarta on April 23, 2008.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LAtgabApr2120081.jpg
Indonesian soldiers stand in a formation under a poster of Indonesia President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during a the opening ceremony of a joint exercise with Navy and Air Force at the Halim Military Airport in Jakarta on April 21, 2008. The Indonesian military has conducted the joint exercise in different places of the country in till June 2008.

Below are classic pictures of the mass airborne parachuting during the exercise:


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LatgabJun1120081.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LatgabJun1120082.jpg

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Troops prepare to land their parachutes on Indonesia's Batam island June 11, 2008. Hundreds of Indonesian troops participated in a military exercise on Wednesday.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/MalakapiratesSep2520071.jpg
Indonesia navy personnel guard a group of pirates on a crude palm oil tanker in the Straits of Singapore September 25, 2007. The Indonesian navy arrested 14 pirates armed with guns and grenades as they hijacked a palm oil tanker name Kraton on Monday in the Straits of Singapore.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/MalakapiratesSep2520072.jpg
Indonesia navy personnel hold their rifles as a group of pirates lie on the deck of a crude palm oil tanker in the Straits of Singapore September 25, 2007. The Indonesian navy arrested 14 pirates armed with guns and grenades as they hijacked a palm oil tanker name Kraton on Monday in the Straits of Singapore.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720081.jpg
Indonesia's soldier, front, carries communication radio as they search for a missing plane at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008. An Indonesian air force plane went missing with five crew and 13 passengers on board, including at least two foreigners, a military spokesman said Friday.

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Indonesia's soldiers walk as they search for a missing plane at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720083.jpg
Indonesia's soldiers prepare for a search operation at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720084.jpg
Indonesia's soldiers prepare for a search operation at Salak Mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Friday, June 27, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/SARSalakmountainJun2720085.jpg
Indonesian soldiers search for victims of a plane crash in Salak mountain in Bogor, West Java, Indonesia, Saturday, June 28, 2008. Rescuers spotted the wreckage of an Indonesian military plane that crashed into a jungle-clad mountain with 18 people onboard.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/JohnHoward.jpg
Australian Prime Minister John Howard inspects an honor guard before meeting with Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri February 6, 2002 at the presidential palace in Jakarta, Indonesia. Howard arrived for a three-day visit to Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/ChinesePresidentHuJintao25Apr05.jpg
On the morning of April 25, 2005, President Hu Jintao held talks with Indonesian President Susilo in Jakarta and exchanged in-depth views on bilateral relations and regional and international issues of common concern. Before the talk, Susilo held a grand welcome ceremony for Hu Jintao in the square of the presidential residence.

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inspects the Palace Security Guard in Merdeka Palace, on May 10, 2006 in capital city Jakarta, Indonesia. Amid nuclear row, Ahmadinejad started his 3-day visit Wednesday to the world's most populous muslim country at invitation of his counterpart Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. He will then fly Friday to Indonesia's resort island Bali to attend 2-day summit of the Developing-8 (D8) group of large Muslim countries.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/KuwaitiPM30May072.jpg

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Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheik Nasser Al-Mohamad Al-Ahmad Al Sabah (C) reviews a guard of honour before his meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 30 May 2007. The Kuwaiti leader is in Indonesia on a official visit to strength bilateral ties between the both countries.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RamosHortaJun520073.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/RamosHortaJun52007.jpg
East Timorese President Jose Ramos-Horta (L) reviews a guard of honour before a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 05 June 2007. Ramos-Horta arrived in Indonesia 04 June, on a three day official visit making it his first foreign trip since elected as President, to tightened bilateral ties between the two countries.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/JapanesePMShinzoAbe20Aug07-1.jpg
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (C) reviews a guard of honour before a meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 20 August 2007. Abe arrived in Indonesia 19 August 2007 at the start of a three-nation Asian tour, with a key trade agreement to be signed between Tokyo and Jakarta.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/PutinvisitSep620071.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/PutinvisitSep620072.jpg
Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, inspects honor guards prior to his meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Thursday, Sept. 6, 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/PalestinianPresidentOct2007.jpg
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas inspects the presidential guards during an honour guard ceremony at the Merdeka palace in Jakarta October 22, 2007. Abbas is in Indonesia for a three-day state visit.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/EcuadorianpresidentNov2007.jpg
Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa inspects honor guards prior to a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka (Freedom) Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Monday, Nov. 26, 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FinnishTarjaHalonenFeb1808.jpg
Finnish President Tarja Halonen inspects the honor guard during a welcoming ceremony at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta on February 18, 2008. Halonen is on a four-day visit to Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/ThaiPMSamakSuntaradej.jpg
Thai Prime Minister Samak Suntaradej inspects the presidential guard following his arrival at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta on 03/26/2008. The Thai leader is here for a two-day visit to promote economic and military cooperation between Indonesia and Thailand.


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/AussiePMJun1320082.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/AussiePMJun132008.jpg
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd inspects honor guards during a welcome ceremony at the Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Friday, June 13, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/BrazilianPresidentJul1220081.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/BrazilianPresidentJul1220082.jpg
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva inspects honor guards prior to a meeting with his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono at Merdeka Palace in Jakarta, Indonesia, Saturday, July 12, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/Chileanpresident.jpg
Chilean President Ricardo Lagos.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UNClimateBaliNov2520081.jpg
Indonesian police officers take position during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007. Indonesia deployed over 5,000 police officers to provide extra security for the Global Climate Change Summit was held on the resort island of Bali on December.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UNClimateBaliNov2520082.jpg
Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UNClimateBaliNov2520083.jpg
Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UNClimateBaliNov2520084.jpg
Foreign tourists (C) watch as Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UNClimateBaliNov2520085.jpg
Foreigner tourists watch security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

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An Indonesian anti-terror policeman takes position as they hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UnClimateBaliNov2520087.jpg
Indonesian police officers take position during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UnClimateBaliNov2520088.jpg
Indonesian police officers guard during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UnClimateBaliNov2520089.jpg
Indonesian anti-terror policemen hold a security drill ahead of the Global Climate Change Summit in Denpasar on Bali island, 25 November 2007.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/UnClimateBaliNov25200810.jpg
Indonesian police officers perform rescue operation from a helicopter during security drill in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007.

[fcaesarn]

@Master Chief

From which Police Unit this photos were taken?? Gegana??

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/SumatrabombcacheJul320081.jpg
Anti-terror police escort a suspect during their arrival at the Mobile Brigade headquarters in Depok, on the outskirts of Jakarta July 3, 2008. Heavily armed Indonesian anti-terrorism police escorted nine suspects on a transport plane to the capital Jakarta for interrogation on Thursday after raids on the island of Sumatra found a large cache of bombs. Another police source, involved in the raids, said the suspects appeared to be linked to Noordin Mohamad Top, who is wanted over some of the deadliest attacks in Indonesia by regional militant Islamic network Jemaah Islamiah (JI).

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/SumatrabombcacheJul320082.jpg
In this Thursday, July 3, 2008 file photo, one of ten terror suspects arrested after a series of raids on Sumatra island, right, is led into a police detention facility by a member of Indonesia's elite anti-terror squad.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/SUmatrabombcacheJul320083.jpg
Elite counter-terrorism policemen escort suspected terrorists out of a bus at the police headquarters in Jakarta on July 3, 2008. Nine suspects arrested in the capital of Indonesia's South Sumatra province in connection with a cache of homemade bombs were bought to the capital and being questioned, police said. National police spokesman Abu Bakar Nataprawira confirmed that an unspecified number of arrests had been made in relation to the discovery of the bombs but he could not provide further details.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/SUmatrabombcacheJul320084.jpg
An elite counter-terrorism policeman escorts a suspected terrorist (L) out of a plane to a bus upon on their arrival at the Halim airport in Jakarta on July 3, 2008.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/EastTimorrebelMay520081.jpg
Indonesian police escort East Timor's rebel soldiers upon their arrival in Dili's airport, East Timor May 5, 2008. Indonesia on Monday extradited four rebel soldiers from East Timor wanted for alleged involvement in attacks on the tiny nation's president and prime minister in February.

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Police escort East Timor rebel soldier San Sao Monis Soares (L) during his arrival at the Ngurah Rai airport in Bali, before heading to Dili, East Timor May 5, 2008. Indonesia on Monday extradited four rebel soldiers who are suspected to be involved in a February attack on East Timor's president and prime minister.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/EAstTimorrebelMay520083.jpg
Indonesian police escort East Timor army rebels to Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport before departing for Dili May 5, 2008. Four East Timor army rebels arrested in Indonesia were deported to East Timor for their alleged role in the attacks against East Timor's president Ramos Horta and Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/EastTimorrebelMay520084.jpg
Indonesian police escort East Timor's army rebels as they were deported to Dili, at Jakarta's Halim Perdana Kusuma Airport May 5, 2008. Four East Timor army rebel who were arrested in Indonesia were deported to East Timor for their alleged role in the attacks against East Timor's president Ramos Horta and Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Police/EastTimorrebelMay520085.jpg
Indonesian anti-terror police unit members escort four East Timor rebels (red shirts) wanted over armed attacks against East Timor's president and prime minister, into a chartered plane at the Halim Airport in Jakarta on May 5, 2008. Four rebels wanted over armed attacks against East Timor's president and prime minister were extradited amid tight security from Indonesia on May 5.

[Master Chief]

My last picture to make you smile. Have a good weekend !


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An Indonesian Chinese lion dance troupe stands on top of an armoured personnel carrier during a rehearsal for a military celebration in Jakarta in this January 9, 2001 file photo.

[karbol]

Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Indonesian Navy special forces take part in a security exercise outside a hotel where U.N. climate change meetings are taking place Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/UNClimateBaliDec920074.jpg
Indonesian Navy special forces guard a beach outside the hotel where UN climate change meetings are taking place Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia.


Members of Indonesian Navy special forces unit land on a beach after a patrol around the venue of the U.N. climate change conference in Nusa Dua, Bali island, Indonesia, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007. Delegates from nearly 190 nations are attending the Dec. 3-14 meeting in Bali and are likely to agree to launch negotiations that will lead to an international accord to succeed the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on global warming.

very good pics masterchief:)... just a little correction. those guys aren't KOPASKA. they are DENJAKA...

[Master Chief]

very good pics masterchief:)... just a little correction. those guys aren't KOPASKA. they are DENJAKA...

From the badge on their caps, yes you are right, they are Denjaka (the guys on the left & middle). The topless guy on the right is their commander .... :) :) :)

[Master Chief]

@Master Chief

From which Police Unit this photos were taken?? Gegana??

The orange boys are the Marine Police (Polisi Air). See page 53.
The black boys could be a mixture of Brimob + Gegana + Den88-AT.
You see their MP5SDs; how brand-new they are ?

[tuah]

May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

[karbol]

May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

the Denjaka is a CT unit under the Marine Corps. Kopaska is a Navy Special Forces, similar to SEAL or PASKAL in Malaysia...

[karbol]

last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-5.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-6.jpg

[darkpole]

a cobra with less armor?

It seemed to have NBO 105 platform.. just a guess.. :roll:

[darkpole]

It seemed to have NBO 105 platform.. just a guess.. :roll:

:bash: Ahh.. I forgot to pay attention to the last photo, clearly stated "..dengan basis 'Dynamic Components dari Helicopter BO-105'.." which is "..based on BO-105 Dynamic Components" in english..

[r0m8470]

Interesting ..... nose mounted sensor/sighting system, single pylon stub wings, with all-cannon/mg configuration. For Indonesian theater - suppressive fire weapons are more useful than precision guided weapons I guess .... ?

BTW - can anybody confirm that the Hinds are based @ A Yani airport? I'm going home this December - be nice to be able to get some decent shots.

[karbol]

Interesting ..... nose mounted sensor/sighting system, single pylon stub wings, with all-cannon/mg configuration. For Indonesian theater - suppressive fire weapons are more useful than precision guided weapons I guess .... ?

BTW - can anybody confirm that the Hinds are based @ A Yani airport? I'm going home this December - be nice to be able to get some decent shots.

all rusky helo's base in A.Yani airport in semarang... don't forget to share u'r pics...:)

[Master Chief]

all rusky helo's base in A.Yani airport in semarang... don't forget to share u'r pics...:)

Currently there are two Army air squadrons in Semarang; Skuadron Udara 31/Serbu Berat (Heavy Assault) & Skuadron udara 11/Serbu Ringan (Light Assault). The current Mi-35 Hind & Mi-17 Hip will be assigned to Skuadron 31.

In the near future, more Hinds & Hips will be assigned to the newly built Skuadron Udara 12 in Way Tuba, South Sumatra & another one in Kalimantan.

[Kopassus]

last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?


Wauw.....thanks Krbol!!
Looks nice, but i think its better to save money for the N250 project. Its a waste of funds and time to begin with new projects like N219 if there is no money for older projects....

[DavidDCM]

I think Indonesian Army/Air Force main subject should be good cargo lift-capabilities. Let's face it, natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis etc. are a much bigger threat to the Indonesian population than a war where you would need a attack helo.

[Master Chief]

I think Indonesian Army/Air Force main subject should be good cargo lift-capabilities. Let's face it, natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis etc. are a much bigger threat to the Indonesian population than a war where you would need a attack helo.

Disagreed.
Indonesia really need a few attack/assault helos squadrons.
Why:
1. All neighbouring countries which, from defence perspective, still posses threats to Indonesia (Malaysia, Singapore & Aussie) have MBT / battle land armors in their arsenals. If you don't have armors to fight against armors, then you need to have attack helos to keep the balance.
2. Remember, Indonesia is still under a constant disintegration threat until today, especially in Papua. Attack helos will be effective in fighting against jungle guerillas; a lessons TNI learned from Aceh & East Timor theatres.

The decision to choose Hinds & Hips was wise, because both Hinds & Hips can carry several functions, i.e. attack/assault helos, personnel & cargo transports, SAR, etc., either during a war or in peace time. Also, the government where the helos are made does not like to act as a global human-right police. :)

[Master Chief]

last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-1.jpg



I don't understand the objective of this project.
If you need to have a light attack helo (Helikopter Serang Ringan, not Serbu), what you need to do is simply attach all required weaponries & sensors onto the existing BO-105, like what many Europen countries have done to their BO-105. No more, no less.
Others like armor plates & heat-reducer exhaust can be added on without having to redesign the blueprint.
You don't have to waste money & energy trying to reverse engineering the field-proven helo design. The worst thing: the "Cobra-front-rear-crew-style" eliminating the capability of transporting personnel of BO-105, which in reality is very tactically useful.

[Master Chief]

May I know what is the diffrence between Kopaska and denjaka. :roll:

Good morning. How is your sleep ?
Check out page 84, please ...

[sp2c]

I don't understand the objective of this project.
If you need to have a light attack helo (Helikopter Serang Ringan, not Serbu), what you need to do is simply attach all required weaponries & sensors onto the existing BO-105, like what many Europen countries have done to their BO-105. No more, no less.
Others like armor plates & heat-reducer exhaust can be added on without having to redesign the blueprint.
You don't have to waste money & energy trying to reverse engineering the field-proven helo design. The worst thing: the "Cobra-front-rear-crew-style" eliminating the capability of transporting personnel of BO-105, which in reality is very tactically useful.

these are all somewhat valid points but the Bolkow struggles with weight as it is, if you mount weapons pylons and a gun you will lose the capability to carry troops anyways.
if you have the money then this would be a more effective solution ... if you have the money (and the spare bolkows)

[Dark Avenger]

last saturday, i visit the Research and Technology exhibition at MGK Kemayoran Jakarta... and i Found this. a design of national light attack helo by PT.DI... what do you think guys?

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/HS-1.jpg

Should be a very interesting project, even more ambitious than the Chilean Industrias Cardoen conversion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2902063#post2902063).
More Cardoen Bo-105 pics:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4751/bo105cardoengunship02vn9.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1408/bo105cardoengunship03rs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Johanus Bau]

Disagreed.
Indonesia really need a few attack/assault helos squadrons.
Why:
1. All neighbouring countries which, from defence perspective, still posses threats to Indonesia (Malaysia, Singapore & Aussie) have MBT / battle land armors in their arsenals. If you don't have armors to fight against armors, then you need to have attack helos to keep the balance.
2. Remember, Indonesia is still under a constant disintegration threat until today, especially in Papua. Attack helos will be effective in fighting against jungle guerillas; a lessons TNI learned from Aceh & East Timor theatres.

The decision to choose Hinds & Hips was wise, because both Hinds & Hips can carry several functions, i.e. attack/assault helos, personnel & cargo transports, SAR, etc., either during a war or in peace time. Also, the government where the helos are made does not like to act as a global human-right police. :)

I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

[Johanus Bau]

I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

The N-219 is a better idea to replace its ageing fleet with an indigenously designed/manufactured light transport. Anyone got pics of the PT. DI N-219?

[karbol]

i think this design would work on disaster relief...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-3.jpg

...they call it 'WISE'=wing in surface effects. it's a ground effect plane...

[karbol]

again from Research and technology exhibition, prototype of UAV...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/UAV-1-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/UAV-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/UAV-4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/UAV-3copy.jpg

[karbol]

and this one from navy R&D... if this design came true, it will be shocking a whole regionp-)p-)....

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/KS-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/KS-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/KS-2.jpg

[ggk]

it says there twin screws?

[ggk]

i think this design would work on disaster relief...







...they call it 'WISE'=wing in surface effects. it's a ground effect plane...

sweeet...it looks like this Boeng designed craft.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2168/ek06zy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By ggk (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ggk)

[fcaesarn]

sweeet...it looks like this Boeng designed craft.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2168/ek06zy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By ggk (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ggk)

Yes it is.. all of it are using WISE technology, but Boeing has a plan to build large size ekranoplane...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

[Johanus Bau]

i think this design would work on disaster relief...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/WISE-3.jpg

...they call it 'WISE'=wing in surface effects. it's a ground effect plane...


This is just a smaller version of the Russian monster with missile launching capability... check it out below.

http://jpcolliat.free.fr/ekra/images/alekseiv_lun_05.jpg


http://jpcolliat.free.fr/ekra/images/alekseiv_lun_03.jpg

[karbol]

The N-219 is a better idea to replace its ageing fleet with an indigenously designed/manufactured light transport. Anyone got pics of the PT. DI N-219?

this one...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/219.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/Cn-1.jpg

[karbol]

this is another pics of ground effect plane design. now with 2 engine, and can carry up to 4 passenger...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/belibis-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/belibis-2.jpg

[Johanus Bau]

this one...





Thanks Karbol, you are da bomb!! :) Keep the photos coming!!

[Kopassus]

we have the capability and knowledge to design weaponsystems, but only litlle bit funds. We should be able to develop our own UAV. it looks good, we are making prototypes for years, so if there is enough funds(i expect theres not really a big amount necessery for this UAV), we should have this UAV in production in 4 years

[Kopassus]

this one...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/219.jpg


Thanks Karbol! Looks good! Better than NC212. When did you made this picture? I expect nasibnya sama dengan N250 dan NMX-1:cancelled.

[Yahoo!]

and this one from navy R&D... if this design came true, it will be shocking a whole regionp-)p-)....


Is this really possible? Seems far-fetched? Does anyone know what the Navy R&D actually do?

[Master Chief]

Thanks Karbol! Looks good! Better than NC212. When did you made this picture? I expect nasibnya sama dengan N250 dan NMX-1:cancelled.

C212 design was originally back to early 1970s.
N219 is 30 years younger. What would you expect ? :roll:

[Master Chief]

these are all somewhat valid points but the Bolkow struggles with weight as it is, if you mount weapons pylons and a gun you will lose the capability to carry troops anyways.
if you have the money then this would be a more effective solution ... if you have the money (and the spare bolkows)

You can't expect both will work 100%. But at least the personnel transport capability is retained.

I start guessing; this light attack helo may become a cheaper option for third world countries. For example, as a COIN gunship.

[ggk]

TNI should buy more Mi 35 instead of building new light attack helo ...IMHO.

and the BO-105 were not bad either, The Korean did it. see here..
#304 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3449039&postcount=304)

[Master Chief]

I agree with David. TNI needs to keep things simple and start buying equipment capable of operating in a flexible manner - good idea with the Mi-17s. Transport helicopters should be of a higher priority rather than developing a light attack helicopter. They are no match against fighters anyway in a combined arms conflict. I hardly think Australia/S'pore will deploy its MBTs in Indonesia. Do they have the lift capability without help from the Yanks? No... no need to worry there. The Aussies also have the same problem regarding shifting forces. the Yanks provided most of the heavy lift in East Timor during Interfet.

Anyway, you can still equip the Mi-17s with anti-armour capability so who needs to waste money on a light helicopter conversion. TNI needs to be able to have equipment to deal with natural disasters so that it does not need to rely on 'so-called threats' like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia for help whenever there is a disaster. I understand wanting to develop new toys but these toys also needs to be maintained - another problem - and is something which TNI has not been able to do very well with all its equipment.

Not being able to support natural disaster relief operations reflects TNI's inability to fight any conflict that requires shifting its forces around the archipelago. The recent Latgab TNI 2008 was a big PR exercise. The real test was the tsunami.... one which TNI failed. Lessons need to be learned.

Mate, from the defence perspective (let me repeat myself; from the defence perspective), your neigbours are your greatest threats & the biggest potential enemies. Almost all world's conflicts are among/between neighbors. USA-Iraq & Afghanistan are exceptions.

You build your strategic defence based on your neigbour's defence plan. That's what Malaysia, Singapore, Aussie & other South East Asian countries (& all other countries) have been doing, not only to Indonesia but also among themselves.

The Americans heavy lift are the usual transport for UN peace keeping forces worldwide, mainly because they are ready available in most places. MBT & other armors can be shipped using regular sea-freighter cargo ships. Aussie can ship their M1-A Abrams from Darwin to Merauke port, for example, within days only. TDM's PT-91 MBT can cruise the highway crossing the Sarawak-West Kalimantan border within less than a day. That's why an attack helo squadron is needed to be based somewhere in Kalimantan.

OK, Mate ? Back to pictures, please.

[Master Chief]

it says there twin screws?

My understanding: there are two sets of propeller, which rotate in opposite direction. I couldn't see clearly in the pictures.
The advantages:
1. Quieter.
2. Higher torque with smaller footprints.

[Master Chief]

and this one from navy R&D... if this design came true, it will be shocking a whole regionp-)p-)....


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/KS-2.jpg

Let me guess: this is a brownwater sub, capable of operating in narrow & shallow straits or even in rivermouths. It could be very useful against the Malaka strait pirates.

[Master Chief]

...

and the BO-105 were not bad either, The Korean did it. see here..
#304 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3449039&postcount=304)

This is exactly what I meant...

Thanks GGK.

[DavidDCM]

Or ze evil Germans

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7928/bo105pahgr5.jpg (http://www.airventure.de/ila2004_1.htm)
Source (http://www.airventure.de/ila2004_1.htm)
BOH-105 PAH with 6x HOT-starter
---

But to come back to the topic: Does Indonesia have a modern Anti-Tank Guided Missile in it's inventory? If I remember correctly I never saw one.

[aneep]

the sub is a bit overkill againts pirates, only 4 divers, but can fire torpedoes

-aneep-

[Master Chief]

the sub is a bit overkill againts pirates, only 4 divers, but can fire torpedoes

-aneep-

The pirates ship somehow can detect the navy patrols & will avoid them or stay low. Being a sub, the potential enemy (i.e. the pirates ship) won't be able to detect you, at least for now. Once you detect & confirm the pirates, you can always dispatch any nearby navy ships to handle it. You don't even have to show yourself to them.

Spare the torpedoes. Bad thing about torpedo, once it's launched, you have to make sure it is not going to a wrong target. Not a good idea to fire a torpedo in a crowded water such as Malaka strait.

As I wrote, this is one what this small sub can be utilized for.

[Master Chief]

But to come back to the topic: Does Indonesia have a modern Anti-Tank Guided Missile in it's inventory? If I remember correctly I never saw one.

Not the air-launched ones, CMIIW. But now since they have attack helo squadrons & the neighbor countries have been acquiring more & more land armors, I believe TNI have included Anti-Tank guided missiles in their shopping-list.
Want to guess which missiles ? Try the ones that can be launched from Hinds & Hips (& can be bought by coconut palm oil :)).

[Master Chief]

agreed. 4 is kinda insufficient to accomplish an assault mission. Probably its better for spy deployment. but non the less, if it is has an adequate designed powerplant, given for its size, it is a deadly naval weapon in coastal defence warfare.

You will be surprised.
Depending on the mission, 4ea Frogmen can be sufficient to carry out small Commando missions, such as reccon & sabotage.

[Master Chief]

BANDUNG, Indonesia – Three United States Army, Pacific non-commissioned officers traveled here recently to conduct the first Warrior Leader Course with the Indonesian Army. The course is designed to train junior NCOs to lead at the squad level. The team conducted two fifteen-day courses from June through August.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FirstWLC1.jpg
Staff Sgt William Vargas, with assistance from an interpreter, oversees the progress of the sergeants he has been improving. Vargas, an instructor at the NCO Academy, Hawaii, recently adjusted fire, and longitude, to fly out to Indonesia to teach the Warrior Leader Course, a squad leader level training, to Indonesian Armed Forces.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FirstWLC2.jpg
Sgt. Maj. William Smith, U.S. Army, Pacific Operations, prepares Soldiers from the Warrior Leader Course, Indonesia, for the barracks inspection he is about to conduct.


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FirstWLC3.jpg
Sgt. Maj. Louis Rivera, U.S. Army, Pacific Operations, takes notes on the performance and progress of the Warrior Leaders Course students and instructors, based on report from Staff Sgt. William Vargas, an NCO Academy, Hawaii instructor who was one of three teaching the course.



http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FirstWLC4.jpg
Sgt. First Class Gerald Daniel, Office of Defense Cooperation, Jakarta, assists an Indonesian soldier with a jammed weapon during Warrior Leader Course, Indonesia, as the soldier's instructor, Sgt. First Class Schoen Flax, from the Office of International Military Affairs, U.S. Army, Pacific, watches the interaction.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/FirstWLC5.jpg

[Kopassus]

Taken from another forum:
It looks like the N219 is not cancelled.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7264/n219vb2.jpg

Rancangan Pesawat N-219 Uji Terowongan


Jakarta, - Rancangan pesawat N-219 yang dibuat PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) akan melakukan uji terbang di laboratorium uji terowongan angin, bulan depan, kata pimpinan Proyek Konfigurasi Pesawat NMX-1 PT DI Untung Widjojono.

"Kalau konfigurasi kesalahan tidak banyak maka perancangannya dianggap layak diteruskan ke perancangan detil untuk dimanufaktur dan kemudian diasembling sehingga menjadi sebuah prototipe," kata Untung Widjojono di anjungan PT DI di Ritech Expo, di Jakarta, Senin.

Menurut dia, prototipe pesawat itu akan diproduksi untuk keperluan komersial jika telah melalui uji dan sertifikasi.

Dengan demikian, katanya, pesawat N219 baru akan bisa diserahkan kepada kostumer pertamanya untuk diterbangkan sekira tiga tahun atau empat tahun lagi.

Ia mengakui, pesawat seharga 4juta dolar AS itu (CN235 berharga 30 juta dolar AS) bisa saja kesulitan mendapatkan investor untuk dikembangkan secara komersial.

Namun pesawat bermesin dua tersebut, kata dia, telah disesuaikan dengan kebutuhan yang ada di tanah air, karena dirancang untuk digunakan di daerah-daerah terpencil untuk penerbangan perintis di Indonesia timur.

Kawasan itu kebanyakan berelevasi tinggi, seperti pegunungan dengan ketinggian 1.500 meter di atas permukaan laut dan berlandasan pendek (sekitar 500 meter), juga sesuai dengan kawasan kepulauan yang jadi ciri khas Indonesia, ujar Untung.

Pesawat dengan panjang badan sekitar 15 meter dan panjang sayap 20 meter denganan kecepatan maksimal 395 km per jam tersebut dirancang agar multiguna dengan biaya operasi yang rendah. (*)

[Master Chief]

Taken from another forum:
It looks like the N219 is not cancelled.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7264/n219vb2.jpg

Another article regarding N219 in English, though it was written in April 2007:
http://www.angkasa-online.com/public/print/17/7/147.htm

[Johanus Bau]

Taken from another forum:
It looks like the N219 is not cancelled.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7264/n219vb2.jpg

However, there might be a typing mistake by the journalist... the N-219 must cost USD 40 million... not USD 4 million.... right? That is why they might have trouble getting investors cos they would rather support CN-235...

[Kopassus]

However, there might be a typing mistake by the journalist... the N-219 must cost USD 40 million... not USD 4 million.... right? That is why they might have trouble getting investors cos they would rather support CN-235...
I think $4-5.000.000 is quite realistic, for example a new Cessna 208B Caravan (single engine, 8-12 pax) costs $2,5 million. A CN235, a high performance twin turboprop for 44 pax with retractable landinggear, costs 15-38 million, so i think its impossible that the N219 will be more expensive than the CN235.

[Johanus Bau]

Good point Kopassus....

How come the article says PT DI might find it hard to get investors? Harga CN-212 berapa? Must be similar in price if N-219 will replace it...

[karbol]

from LAPAN at Ritech Expo.. this is a prototype of their UAV. but to me it's more like a cruise missile...p-)p-)

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-5.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-2.jpg

roket kendali (guided rocket)...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/rok-1.jpg

[Kopassus]

Trims Karbol!
Memang like a cruise missile, looks good!

[Master Chief]

from LAPAN at Ritech Expo.. this is a prototype of their UAV. but to me it's more like a cruise missile...p-)p-)


http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-1.jpg



I think both are indeed prototypes of cruise missiles. One is powered by rocket (0.7 Mach). The other one is using a turbojet (0.3M).
To label them UAV is more politically correct than cruise missile :). In fact, cruise missile is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, isn't it ?

[Master Chief]

I think $4-5.000.000 is quite realistic, for example a new Cessna 208B Caravan (single engine, 8-12 pax) costs $2,5 million. A CN235, a high performance twin turboprop for 44 pax with retractable landinggear, costs 15-38 million, so i think its impossible that the N219 will be more expensive than the CN235.

A couple of points more:
1. N219 has a different concept than CN235. CN235 adopted both passenger & cargo aircraft, whereas N219 is solely a passenger aircraft.
2. N219 is smaller (in terms of everything) than CN235.

This means both aircrafts are not comparable in price.

[fcaesarn]

Happy Independence Day Mate... Merdeka!!!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2755452315_957f5d86ea.jpg?v=0

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll132/bargobal/bendera/JohannesWinata27211.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll132/bargobal/bendera/antojadul27624.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll132/bargobal/bendera/wisang00728194.jpg

[Kopassus]

Merdekaaa! Dirgahayu RI!

[alsadiyarto]

Happy Independence Day...Long live Indonesia! Merdeka!!!

[karbol]

Happy Independence Day... Dirgahayu Republik Indonesia... MERDEKA...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/TheNationalFlag-17agt.jpg

Photo by Alex Sidharta...

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/PaspampresAug172008ceremony.jpg

Indonesian soldiers parade during a ceremony to celebrate the country's 63rd Independence Day anniversary at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta, 17 August 2008. Outside a house in central Jakarta on the morning of August 17, 1945, a small group of nationalists gathered for a simple ceremony to declare independence for the remains of the former Dutch East Indies empire and resulted the birth of Indonesia. After three centuries of Dutch colonial rule and three years of Japanese occupation, the world's largest archipelago had been declared one nation, although it was another four years before the Dutch abandoned their attempts to retake their former possession and recognised Indonesia.

[msam13]

Hei Guys, I'm new in this forum..
Nice to meet y'all
do you know whether Lapan has produced rockets for military?

[msam13]

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[karbol]

Hei Guys, I'm new in this forum..
Nice to meet y'all
do you know whether Lapan has produced rockets for military?

welcome msam13... AFAIK, LAPAN doesn't produce rocket for military... at least not yet. they build rocket for launching their own nano satelite...

[fcaesarn]

welcome msam13... AFAIK, LAPAN doesn't produce rocket for military... at least not yet. they build rocket for launching their own nano satelite...

Yes they haven't complete their research on the Guided Rocket Program yet. But as i Know, PT DI is the only Indonesian company who produces rocket for The Indonesian military uses. They Produce FFAR (Folding Fin Aerial Rocket) 2.75 Inches which used by Indonesian Air Force and Army..

[msam13]

Yeah, Pt DI produced FFAR rockets and i think also SUT torpedo for naval use.. As I know, lapan has produced really good rockets for satelite, they must be able to produce missile then, might be with 1000 km range as Iranian, and put Malaysia and Singapore within the range. Sounds really possible right??

[ggk]

Yeah, Pt DI produced FFAR rockets and i think also SUT torpedo for naval use.. As I know, lapan has produced really good rockets for satelite, they must be able to produce missile then, might be with 1000 km range as Iranian, and put Malaysia and Singapore within the range. Sounds really possible right??

:roll: ? please...make love..make peace...everyone happy

[Kopassus]

uuuhhh, be carefull with what yo put on the internet, our neighbours dont like to see Indonesia develop its defence industry, every time they see it as a threat if we want to replace obsolete weaponsystems. And AFAIK its forbidden for brown countries to have missile weaponsystems with a range further than 300-350 km.

[fcaesarn]

:roll: ? please...make love..make peace...everyone happy

Relax.. he just a newbie.. we are in peace, aren't we??

[ggk]

Relax.. he just a newbie.. we are in peace, aren't we??
ha ha i considered all indonesian as my brothers and sisters... im half java half minang

[darkpole]

ha ha i considered all indonesian as my brothers and sisters... im half java half minang

Good to know that dude..
..lets get back to pictures, shall we?

[Master Chief]

Yeah, Pt DI produced FFAR rockets and i think also SUT torpedo for naval use.. As I know, lapan has produced really good rockets for satelite, they must be able to produce missile then, might be with 1000 km range as Iranian, and put Malaysia and Singapore within the range. Sounds really possible right??

It's very-very OK, fine & accepted to mention this kind of (personal) statement in this military forum.

All countries do this as normal & natural. The geography of Indonesia has been one of the major factors taken when Malaysia, Singapore, Aussie or even China want to decide what kind & specs of arsenals they want to buy. For example; all Aussie's fighters & bombers must be able to reach Jakarta, Aceh, Hanoi or Hongkong. Another example; Malaysian's or Singaporean's war planes should be able to cover from Yangoon until Port Moresby.

[Master Chief]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20081.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers stage a military parade during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20082.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers wearing traditional costumes play musical instruments atop an armoured vehicle during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20083.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers stage a military parade during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20084.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers perform a traditional dance during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20085.jpg
Indonesian soldiers from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) peacekeeping wear traditional tribal outfits during a performance to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008. UNIFIL Commander General Claudio Graziano attended the ceremony and distributed medals to a number of the unit's soldiers.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20086.jpg
Indonesian soldiers from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) peacekeeping wear traditional tribal outfits and carry decorated shields and spears during a performance to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008. UNIFIL Commander General Claudio Graziano attended the ceremony and distributed medals to a number of the unit's soldiers.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20087.jpg
United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) commander General Claudio Graziano (L) awards medals to Indonesian members of the peacekeeping force during a ceremony to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008.

[Master Chief]

Yeah, Pt DI produced FFAR rockets and i think also SUT torpedo for naval use.. As I know, lapan has produced really good rockets for satelite, they must be able to produce missile then, might be with 1000 km range as Iranian, and put Malaysia and Singapore within the range. Sounds really possible right??

If the target is Malaysia or Singapore only, you need only 300-500km range of tactical SSM. Deploy them somewhere in Sumatera or Kalimantan. Shorter range will reduce the size & weight of the missile, make them more mobile & harder to track.

[hawkeye88]

from LAPAN at Ritech Expo.. this is a prototype of their UAV. but to me it's more like a cruise missile...p-)p-)

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-5.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/roket-2.jpg

roket kendali (guided rocket)...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/rok-1.jpg


All I know, the design of the UAVs follow the the cruise missiles' designs, such as Tomcruise missile... These UAVs will be further developed to be cruise missiles. So, I think this is the beginning stage to make cruise missiles and to minimize attracting attention outside parties, thats why the name is UAV.... LOL... Have you seen UAV model like them in outside our country??

Moreover, LAPAN has been able to develop guidance sytem to its own rockets... The above is one of the example. So, I guess, our military forces will have a new high-tech inventory in their arsenals - i.e. Cruise Missile. FYI, making a cruise missile is not as hard as it looks like... add GPS/INS system to the UAV ---> a simple cruise missile.... Like the one in China, C802 ground attack version... I forgot the name though... :cantbeli:

About LAPAN only produces missiles for their own satellite??? LAPAN does not produce missile; they are only experimenting with it. They are not ready for it. I have read from a local newspaper that the missiles will be used by our military in the future and also they don't want to attract attention from outsiders, which may lead pressure to our country!! They just want to make it small and simple... So, UAV will be the best to describe them...

So, the best thing for us to do is to wait, to watch and to see....

Only time will tell.... Cheer =)

[hawkeye88]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20081.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers stage a military parade during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20082.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers wearing traditional costumes play musical instruments atop an armoured vehicle during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20083.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers stage a military parade during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20084.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers perform a traditional dance during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20085.jpg
Indonesian soldiers from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) peacekeeping wear traditional tribal outfits during a performance to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008. UNIFIL Commander General Claudio Graziano attended the ceremony and distributed medals to a number of the unit's soldiers.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20086.jpg
Indonesian soldiers from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) peacekeeping wear traditional tribal outfits and carry decorated shields and spears during a performance to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008. UNIFIL Commander General Claudio Graziano attended the ceremony and distributed medals to a number of the unit's soldiers.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20087.jpg
United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) commander General Claudio Graziano (L) awards medals to Indonesian members of the peacekeeping force during a ceremony to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008.


Pics 3 & 5... Are they wearing Wellco boots?? Can anyone tell? I have the black one... woot

[Kopassus]

Some pictures from some months ago...
http://94.100.113.202/333400001-333450000/333403601-333403700/333403630_5_T5oL.jpeg
http://94.100.113.202/333400001-333450000/333403601-333403700/333403629_5_CFtu.jpeg
http://94.100.113.202/333400001-333450000/333403601-333403700/333403628_5_OA5j.jpeg
All are taken at Halim Perdanakusuma.

[alsadiyarto]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20084.jpg
Indonesian U.N. peacekeepers perform a traditional dance during a medal award ceremony in Adchit village, in southern Lebanon August 20, 2008.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Soldiers/LebanonAug20086.jpg
Indonesian soldiers from the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) peacekeeping wear traditional tribal outfits and carry decorated shields and spears during a performance to mark Indonesia's National Day at their base in the town of Adchit southern Lebanon on August 20, 2008. UNIFIL Commander General Claudio Graziano attended the ceremony and distributed medals to a number of the unit's soldiers.



I dont know is it wellco or not....but,...white boots with woodland camo?...Maaan, it's not match!

I heard rumours that TNI would make their own version of dessert camo...but for me, what the hell for???...Even if we do have it, it's not like every freakin' time we get the opportunity to send our troops to a dessert land/country...Geez...:cantbeli:

[Master Chief]

I dont know is it wellco or not....but,...white boots with woodland camo?...Maaan, it's not match!

I heard rumours that TNI would make their own version of dessert camo...but for me, what the hell for???...Even if we do have it, it's not like every freakin' time we get the opportunity to send our troops to a dessert land/country...Geez...:cantbeli:

You should tell this to the GIs wearing woodland digipat camo with Altama desert tan boots in Iraq & Afghan. It's indeed not match. The good thing about these desert boots, they are very much convenient to be worn in desert environment.

You should see the Indonesian Police "desert uniform" in UNAMID, Darfur, Sudan. The uniform (the tan color & the fabric) is specifically chosen by the Police themselves for desert mission.

[karbol]

ha ha i considered all indonesian as my brothers and sisters... im half java half minang

then you are my brother... i also half java half minang:)...

[Kopassus]

http://94.100.113.17/334450001-334500000/334469001-334469100/334469035_5__zM0.jpeg
B737-2X9

http://94.100.113.17/334450001-334500000/334469001-334469100/334469037_5_NRgE.jpeg
EC-120B from close!

[alsadiyarto]

You should tell this to the GIs wearing woodland digipat camo with Altama desert tan boots in Iraq & Afghan. It's indeed not match. The good thing about these desert boots, they are very much convenient to be worn in desert environment.

Would you send them my best warm regards? :oops:

You should see the Indonesian Police "desert uniform" in UNAMID, Darfur, Sudan. The uniform (the tan color & the fabric) is specifically chosen by the Police themselves for desert mission.[/quote]

Yes, i've seen it....it took me some times to get used to see it...:|

Ah well...que sera sera...whatever will be will be...

[Ominae]

Yes it is.. all of it are using WISE technology, but Boeing has a plan to build large size ekranoplane...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

Reminds of the Ghost in the Shell series.

[Ominae]

My last picture to make you smile. Have a good weekend !

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk14/greatmasterchief/Funny%20pic/Barongsaiontanks.jpg
An Indonesian Chinese lion dance troupe stands on top of an armoured personnel carrier during a rehearsal for a military celebration in Jakarta in this January 9, 2001 file photo.

Looks nice! Quite proud of my fellow Chinese as an ethnic one of Chinese Filipino descent. I felt horrible for them during the 1998 riots in Jakarta.

[karbol]

capture from TV show, CITA (Cinta tanah air) in TVRI... its a ZUR-23KG in Indonesia Army...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/grom-4.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/grom-3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/grom-2.jpg

....And dont forget, the HOST...:)

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/grom-1.jpg

[Kopassus]

capture from TV show, CITA (Cinta tanah air) in TVRI... its a ZUR-23KG in Indonesia Army...







....And dont forget, the HOST...:)


Thanks Karbol!
Acara CITA jam brp di TVRI? Setiap hari?
Hostnya hanya pembawa acara dgn seragam militer....:)
How much ZUR-23-KG2 do we have in our inventory? At least two...

[fcaesarn]

@Karbol

Do you always take the photos of CITA Military Program every sunday??

[karbol]

Thanks Karbol!
Acara CITA jam brp di TVRI? Setiap hari?
Hostnya hanya pembawa acara dgn seragam militer....:)
How much ZUR-23-KG2 do we have in our inventory? At least two...

CITA show up in TVRI every saturday at 15.30WIB (CMIIW)... I dont know how much ZUR-23's we have. but this toys was planned to replace the RAPIER. I hope we have it a lot...

[karbol]

@Karbol

Do you always take the photos of CITA Military Program every sunday??

hell no!!:)... this pics was made by my friend...

[karbol]

just found it on internet: http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/00-HTMS/Indon-Airforce%20-1.htm

it's about Indonesia Air Forces and other aviation corps including army and navy. a very-very lot of pic... enjoy...:)

here's some of them..

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/Indon-Nvy-02.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/INDO1FA-8910.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/INDO1FA-8906.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/AURI/INDO1FA-8904.jpg

...and the rest, please just click on the link...:)

http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/00-HTMS/Indon-Airforce%20-1.htm

[Kopassus]

thanks Karbol!

[r0m8470]

Karbol - that's a massive photo article, great job locating it. The piece about Juanda Air Base is also published on 'Air Forces Monthly' magazine.

[msam13]

Guys, the ZUR-23, from which country is it??
It looks like giant-bow combine with grail or igla manpads..
I hope Indonesia buy somethin such as tor-M1 or Pantsyr from Russia, to rely the air defense on artilery or manpads is pretty weak..

[DavidDCM]

The ordinary ZU-23 anti-air gun is from Russia. This modernized one - I don't know where it's from, but it looks very much like the ZUR-23-2TG (http://www.jedsite.info/artillery-zulu/zulu/zu-23_series/jod-1/jod1-intro.html) and ZUR-23-2S JOD (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2544.html?PHPSESSID=49961) from Poland:
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/mspo2002/ZU-23-2_Missile_Poland_MSPO_01.JPG
Polish ZUR-23-2TG with twin launchers for Grom SAM.

[Kopassus]

Indeed, the ZUR-23-2KG is from Poland, modified with GROM missiles(Igla's).
The ZUR-23-2KG is manufactured by ZM Tarnów SA.

Spesifikasi :
- Negara pembuat : Polandia
- Panjang misil : 1596 mm
- Kaliber misil : 72 mm
- Berat misil tanpa launcher : 10,5 kg
- Berat misil plus launcher : 16,5 kg
- Berat hulu ledak : 1,82 kg
- Jarak capai : 5500 m
- Maksimal tinggi sasaran : 3000 - 4000 m
- Minimal tinggi sasaran : 10 m
- Kecepatan maksimal : 650 m/det
- Suhu operasional : -35 s/d + 50 derajat Celcius.

http://armouredvehicles.hyves.nl/forum/500042/sVZw/Luchtafweersystemen/ (second article)

[Kopassus]

Guys, the ZUR-23, from which country is it??
It looks like giant-bow combine with grail or igla manpads..
I hope Indonesia buy somethin such as tor-M1 or Pantsyr from Russia, to rely the air defense on artilery or manpads is pretty weak..

Thats exactly what i always think, we have to and we CAN buy better airdefence systems. Only the most weakest and poorest countries buy cheap lowtech SHORADS. Everybody who fly above 3000m can invade our airspace without the chance to be shot down.But the new QW-3 is an improvement(max range 8 km).

[msam13]

The ordinary ZU-23 anti-air gun is from Russia. This modernized one - I don't know where it's from, but it looks very much like the ZUR-23-2TG (http://www.jedsite.info/artillery-zulu/zulu/zu-23_series/jod-1/jod1-intro.html) and ZUR-23-2S JOD (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2544.html?PHPSESSID=49961) from Poland:
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/mspo2002/ZU-23-2_Missile_Poland_MSPO_01.JPG
Polish ZUR-23-2TG with twin launchers for Grom SAM.

guys, somethin like this air defense artilery gun, do they have special command vehicle or radar ground to guide the firing system, or it only rely on the telescope?

I saw tunguska-M1 mobile artilery from russia, it seems pretty strong, at least, has higher range, really mobile (easy to move), has it's own radar system,. I think they're cheap as well though.. should buy this one then:)

[karbol]

^^yes, they have they own radar and command center. its called BCV= Battery Command Vehicle...

this is a pics inside the command center... again taken from CITA TV Show...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd112/karbol1978/ANGKATAN%20DARAT/DSC01042.jpg

[karbol]

Thats exactly what i always think, we have to and we CAN buy better airdefence systems. Only the most weakest and poorest countries buy cheap lowtech SHORADS. Everybody who fly above 3000m can invade our airspace without the chance to be shot down.But the new QW-3 is an improvement(max range 8 km).

hehhehe... same thing happen to our neighbour... AFAIK malaysia, who have better economy, doesnt have mid range SAM...

[msam13]

hehhehe... same thing happen to our neighbour... AFAIK malaysia, who have better economy, doesnt have mid range SAM...

but malaysia has F-18 hornets.. probably 8 units, not sure
su-30 plus all the missiles and equipment, Mig-29 as well
pretty strong air force

hey, anyone know about Indonesian su-27 and su-30??
supposed to come 6 (3 su-30 and 3 su-27) in this 2 years right?, so in the 2010 indonesia will has 1 flanker skuadron..
how bout the missiles and other equipment? coz what I know, our current flanker has no missiles at all, only ammo

[fcaesarn]

hehhehe... same thing happen to our neighbour... AFAIK malaysia, who have better economy, doesnt have mid range SAM...

I Think why TNI buy this kind of equipment is to be the last layer of defense, if there are some foreign interception which have come far into the strategic location In Indonesia, this kind of Shorads Will be Its Shield... I Hope there is a plan to buy Long Range Air Defense System in the near Future....

[Kopassus]

guys, somethin like this air defense artilery gun, do they have special command vehicle or radar ground to guide the firing system, or it only rely on the telescope?

I saw tunguska-M1 mobile artilery from russia, it seems pretty strong, at least, has higher range, really mobile (easy to move), has it's own radar system,. I think they're cheap as well though.. should buy this one then:)

The ZUR-23-2KG will be part of the KOBRA system. An example of the KOBRA system configuration is shown here.
http://94.100.113.34/280200001-280250000/280241001-280241100/280241011_5_1i8Y.jpeg
Radar data can be used by any of the two interoperating anti-aircraft batteries. Use of the newest technology in wireless and wire data transmission makes it possible to send air pictures to both batteries when spaced up to ca. 20 km, depending on weather conditions, terrain shape, the type of weapons in use etc. The basic element of a single battery is the Battery Command Vehicle (BCV), which receives information from the MMSR radar or from an external surveillance and command system. The battery commander decides whether to engage the target with guns or fire-and-forget missiles.

The 2S6M Tunguska is a great piece of toy, but not really cheap. I dont know why we dont buy better stuff, maybe we are afraid to become strong and able to defend our airspace?

[Kopassus]

I Think why TNI buy this kind of equipment is to be the last layer of defense, if there are some foreign interception which have come far into the strategic location In Indonesia, this kind of Shorads Will be Its Shield... I Hope there is a plan to buy Long Range Air Defense System in the near Future....
Its maybe also the only layer of defence.... Foreign aircraft will fly above 3000m, drop their bombs/PGMs, and laugh at us. We need at least something as the Pantsir S1/2S6M Tunguska/Thor M1/Jernas to reach higher/further flying targets and to be able to shoot down precision weapons and tactical cruisemissiles.

[henzai]

but malaysia has F-18 hornets.. probably 8 units, not sure
su-30 plus all the missiles and equipment, Mig-29 as well
pretty strong air force



yup
but dun hv enough "good" pilot to fly them all.....still in training....
atleast 2-3years....cmiiw

[Master Chief]

Folks,

today we reach the 100th pages of this interesting topic.
Congratulation to all of you. Keep posting and happy discussion.

[karbol]

^^wow... 100 pages and still move on...:)

[Master Chief]

but malaysia has F-18 hornets.. probably 8 units, not sure su-30 plus all the missiles and equipment, Mig-29 as well
pretty strong air force



TUDM:

2 Squadron Fokker F-28 Fellowship, Falcon 90, Global Express, Boeing BBJ Subang AFB
3 Squadron S-61A4A Nuri Butterworth AFB
6 Squadron BAE Hawk 108/Hawk 208 Kuantan AFB
10 Squadron S-61A4A Nuri Kuala Lumpur AFB
11 Squadron Su-30MKM Flanker Gong Kedak AFB
12 Squadron Northrop F-5E, F-5F, RF-5E Butterworth AFB
15 Squadron BAE Hawk 108/Hawk 209, Aermacchi MB-339AM Butterworth AFB
16 Squadron Beech 200T Subang AFB
18 Squadron Boeing F/A-18D Hornet Butterworth AFB
19 Squadron MiG 29N/UB Kuantan AFB
20 Squadron Lockheed C-130H Hercules, C-130T Subang AFB
21 Squadron CN-235-200M Subang AFB
TUDM's Su-30MKM would be the best Flanker varian in SE Asia: distinguished by its canards & vectoring thrust nozzles. Together with RSAF & RAAF, TUDM will be the strongest air force in the region.

If TNI-AU is not able to match them in the sky, then TNI must strengthen its air-defence power.

[Master Chief]

^^wow... 100 pages and still move on...:)

Thanks to you Karbol. You are the power generator.
Keep your camera clean & shine always.

[Kopassus]

Ya, thanks to all!
Here some pictures of a NAS-332.
http://94.100.113.40/340200001-340250000/340218101-340218200/340218195_5_rLUP.jpeg
http://94.100.113.40/340200001-340250000/340218101-340218200/340218196_5_w2Ks.jpeg

[Kopassus]

TUDM:

2 Squadron Fokker F-28 Fellowship, Falcon 90, Global Express, Boeing BBJ Subang AFB
3 Squadron S-61A4A Nuri Butterworth AFB
6 Squadron BAE Hawk 108/Hawk 208 Kuantan AFB
10 Squadron S-61A4A Nuri Kuala Lumpur AFB
11 Squadron Su-30MKM Flanker Gong Kedak AFB
12 Squadron Northrop F-5E, F-5F, RF-5E Butterworth AFB
15 Squadron BAE Hawk 108/Hawk 209, Aermacchi MB-339AM Butterworth AFB
16 Squadron Beech 200T Subang AFB
18 Squadron Boeing F/A-18D Hornet Butterworth AFB
19 Squadron MiG 29N/UB Kuantan AFB
20 Squadron Lockheed C-130H Hercules, C-130T Subang AFB
21 Squadron CN-235-200M Subang AFB
TUDM's Su-30MKM would be the best Flanker varian in SE Asia: distinguished by its canards & vectoring thrust nozzles. Together with RSAF & RAAF, TUDM will be the strongest air force in the region.

If TNI-AU is not able to match them in the sky, then TNI must strengthen its air-defence power.
Yes, 10 Hawk Mk108, 18 Hawk Mk208, 8 F-18D, 18 MiG-29N and 18 Su-30MKM (not all delivered yet), quite impressive... (they like the number 8)
Do they have AIM-7 and AIM-120 on their F18, or only AIM-9?
What about the missiles on the Russian planes? Only R73 or also R27 and R77 and ASMs like Kh-31?
Is the RBS70 and Rapier still in use by Malaysia?

[karbol]

^^yes they have it. the F-18 are armed with AIM-120C-5 (CMIIW)... the Mig's with Archer and Alamo. not sure about the MKM's... maybe also with R-77... bro GGK can answer this...

btw, nice pics kopassus...

[karbol]

Thanks to you Karbol. You are the power generator.
Keep your camera clean & shine always.

not really... you the one who give the always analysist on the pics. the good one as always...:)..

and @kopassus also contribute a lot of good pics...:)

and also many-many of MP.NET members...

keep up the good work guys:)

[equilibrium37]

Is that the VIP version of the AS-332 kopassus ?

Oh man; havent been visiting this page alot and this thread has reached the 100th page .. nice .. keep posting guys.

Anyways Karbol whats the word about the MI-17s that has just arrived .. what sort of armaments did those beautiful machines came with ?

[Ronguild]

Anyways Karbol whats the word about the MI-17s that has just arrived .. what sort of armaments did those beautiful machines came with ?

Slingshot ! :)

[equilibrium37]

Slingshot ! :)

man; the slingsots are old news .. im talking more about the heat seeking boomerangs! p-)

[ggk]

^^yes they have it. the F-18 are armed with AIM-120C-5 (CMIIW)... the Mig's with Archer and Alamo. not sure about the MKM's... maybe also with R-77... bro GGK can answer this...

btw, nice pics kopassus...

hi off topic sorry bro,

AIM 120c-5 : yes
Harpoon: yes
Archer and Alamo: yes
R-77 and etc: not yet (in paper yes) advance weapon training and tactic only completed around 2010...

MALINDO

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[Master Chief]

MALINDO

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This seems a big joke. One day they train together, shake hands & hugging together, even they pray together. In their mind they know, someday they might have to point the riffles at each other. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Their two Navy had done this already in Ambalat water. :bash: