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andyrew_21
03-16-2006, 11:34 AM
I recently aquired body armour similar to this ....
http://www.dupont.com/kevlar/lifeprotection/military/images/spotlight/vest_animation.gif
Its a US army issue vest and claims to protect against fragmentation. My question is, will my vest stop handgun bullets???
andyrew_21
03-16-2006, 11:41 AM
http://www.qm-supply.com/newimages/bodyarmor.jpg
ahhh here it is...much better condition though, will it stop handgun bullets??
BadKarma26
03-16-2006, 12:22 PM
The armor in the first pic is the Inteceptor Body Armor (It will stop most pistol rounds and with SAPI plates will stop up to 7.62x54 AP ammo)

The armor in the second pic is the PASGT armor which was replaced by the IBA in 2004. Its not rated to stop any small arms fire but will stop shrapnel (Although I've heard of it stopping 9mm and .45 ammo from a buddy who tried shooting at it)
JVeld
03-16-2006, 12:25 PM
No, the second picture is only against fragmentation....It does NOT have the plates required to stop an actual bullet fired from a gun. The first picture is actually of an standard issued Body armor and that one does stop bullets up to cal 7.62 I believe, as long as it has the plates inside !
JVeld
03-16-2006, 12:28 PM
The armor in the first pic is the Inteceptor Body Armor (It will stop most pistol rounds and with SAPI plates will stop up to 7.62x54 AP ammo)

The armor in the second pic is the PASGT armor which was replaced by the IBA in 2004. Its not rated to stop any small arms fire but will stop shrapnel (Although I've heard of it stopping 9mm and .45 ammo from a buddy who tried shooting at it)
The PASGT doesn't stop bullets.....trust me, I tried it !
BadKarma26
03-16-2006, 12:29 PM
The PASGT doesn't stop bullets.....trust me, I tried it !

I trust my buddy, who was a US marine, more than I do you. I personally saw the rounds embedded in the vest, not penetrating all the way through.
andyrew_21
03-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Thanks for the info guys
Frens
03-16-2006, 12:37 PM
how old is the PASGT Vest? sometimes it can stop some bullets but it's only a anti fragmentation vest
BadKarma26
03-16-2006, 12:38 PM
how old is the PASGT Vest? sometimes it can stop some bullets but it's only a anti fragmentation vest

It was first introduced in the early 80s. Yah I made it clear what kind of rounds I was talking about. I have no doubt that high powered rifle rounds could pass through both sides.
Icarus1
03-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Protection Class should be written inside the vest or attached to the panels inside.... or am I wrong?

We tried different handguns on a PASGT. Some 9mm and .45ACP went trough the vest, some didn't. Depends on the angle, the place where it hits and the load of the cartridge. It's luck when they don't get trough.
Voodoo_Br
03-16-2006, 12:48 PM
I trust my buddy, who was a US marine, more than I do you. I personally saw the rounds embedded in the vest, not penetrating all the way through.

The question is, that the projectile can kill without penetrate the vest. When the bullet hits the surface of the body armor, it pushes the vest against the body, just like a hammer thru naked skin, and the limit that the body can avoid serious injuries is 40mm thru the skin, above that it can cause serius internal bleeding. So the vest can stop the bullet from penetrate the body, but the impact will make internal damage for sure. Even fiberglass can stop bullets... I have seen many police officers asking for use the PASGT VEST as a Ballistic Vest. A Dangerous mistake..
JVeld
03-16-2006, 01:04 PM
I trust my buddy, who was a US marine, more than I do you. I personally saw the rounds embedded in the vest, not penetrating all the way through.
I believe you, but I personally shot at one of them with an 9mm and a 357 mgn ....it put nice holes on it ! now it could be that the one your buddy had was different !
ed316
03-16-2006, 01:15 PM
nvm.................
James
03-16-2006, 01:20 PM
I trust my buddy, who was a US marine, more than I do you. I personally saw the rounds embedded in the vest, not penetrating all the way through.

I was a USMC infantryman. The PASGT vest will not stop bullets. It's not rated to, was never meant to. There's a reason it's called a "flak vest". There was a separate plate hanger system that existed to be used in conjunction with the PASGT vest to stop bullets.
BadKarma26
03-16-2006, 01:26 PM
I was a USMC infantryman. The PASGT vest will not stop bullets. It's not rated to, was never meant to. There's a reason it's called a "flak vest". There was a separate plate hanger system that existed to be used in conjunction with the PASGT vest to stop bullets.

I'm telling you that I've seen a PASGT that stopped pistol rounds (9mm and .45) from around 100 feet away. I don't think I can say that any more clearly. I'm not disagreeing with you about what its rated up to and what its for.
ZaakM433
03-16-2006, 02:24 PM
I'm telling you that I've seen a PASGT that stopped pistol rounds (9mm and .45) from around 100 feet away. I don't think I can say that any more clearly. I'm not disagreeing with you about what its rated up to and what its for.

But did it stop the bullets with less than lethal backface deformation? I know what your saying and I think everyone is just arguing over what the "stop" means...

---end of argument---
mogsniper94
03-16-2006, 03:31 PM
We fired some 9mm into a flak we aquired and it penetrated!!! The armor in the second pic will not stop 9mm.
BadKarma26
03-16-2006, 03:37 PM
But did it stop the bullets with less than lethal backface deformation? I know what your saying and I think everyone is just arguing over what the "stop" means...

---end of argument---

Im not sure if it would be considered less than lethal backface deformation. it had definitely "made a dent" in it.

Mog i think it depends on how far away you are.
Hertog jan
03-16-2006, 03:51 PM
The box O´truth tested frag armor like the pasgt and some of the pistol rounds penetrated but some where stopped.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot15.htm
Digital Marine
03-16-2006, 04:02 PM
http://www.dupont.com/kevlar/lifeprotection/military/images/spotlight/vest_animation.gif

anyone noticed that this IBA doesn't have PALS strips on the back?
Frens
03-16-2006, 04:04 PM
http://www.dupont.com/kevlar/lifeprotection/military/images/spotlight/vest_animation.gif

anyone noticed that this IBA doesn't have PALS strips on the back?


early model?
Digital Marine
03-16-2006, 04:11 PM
early model?

hmmnn, could be.. or a copy?
rokdoc
03-16-2006, 06:48 PM
Bottom line: Get shot wearing nothing but a PASGT, and you will probably die. They DO NOT stop handgun rounds, or rifle rounds, or even some shrapnel.

Don't trust your life to something that you have to ask about.
Jarhead
03-19-2006, 09:31 AM
Hi,
by the way we are talking about PASGT vests and other body armor stuff. I try to change my Ranger Body Armor against a Interceptor Body Armor.Is some of you interested in this offer?:oops: The RBA(real deal)was made in 1996, its complete with all Kevlarinlays and the heavy SAPI plates. The vest is in a good shape the cover is just a bit dirty...but i received it in that condition. The size is M. If some of you guys is interested just send me a PM.

Jarhead
Roaming East
03-19-2006, 11:50 AM
depends on the bullet and load. no 9mm acts like all others. i suspect a 105gr hollow point wont offer reliable penetration whereas a 135gr +p+ ball would
Nikitaras
03-19-2006, 05:10 PM
The flak jacket is not rated to stop ballistics only sharpnel, but with that said we had taken severalold ones out to a range one time and fired .45, .40, 9mm, and 00 Buck at them and the vest did stop some of the initial rounds; however, with any type of protective armor multiple hits degrade the integrity of the vest. Personally I wouldn't depend on it saving my life against any ballistic threat.