F-22 raptor Vs Messerschmitt Bf 109

[LawrenceofArabia]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

[Chris]

the f22s cannon would cut the messerschmitt in half within a second probably

[ed316]

nerd circle jerk.

[LawrenceofArabia]

the f22s cannon would cut the messerschmitt in half within a second probably

Read my post, the Messerschmidt would be too slow for any f-22 to have a good lock on.

[Chris]

I dont think you need a lock on for your cannon

[szr]

Your post seems to focus wholly on what the F22 can't do to the 109. How about what the 109 can do to the F22?

Absurd thread.

[Chris]

have you guys ever seen the simpsons episode where sideshow bob steals the old plane during the flight show and the air force chases him :D

[Mastermind]

I think the ME would go down rather quickly and the ME pilot would never know what had ahppened...just flying along and WHAM!"...the old "heat seekers" are not the the weapon of choice anymore. There are things in use that would make you wonder...."Why bother fighting war anymore? The fun has really been taken out of it by technology."

[LawrenceofArabia]

I dont think you need a lock on for your cannon

You don't, but how would you have a good shot at the 109? It would be like trying to shoot a dragonfly while driving 100 MPH.

[A Soldier]

stop taking up space on the internet with this crap, there is no point in this, I thought there was gonna be a vid or pic on this thread.

[ed316]

The f22 will destry the 109. Besides the tie fighter pwnes them all1111


Roman Legionares vs United States Marine corps who will win?

[Belrick]

Are you seriously trying to tell us that the Raptor can ONLY fly at maximum speed????
Whats the Raptors stalling speed????
Are you also saying the that exhaust from the Diamler Benz engine doesn't produce any heat????

Idjit.

[Chris]

we'll see what happens when the cybernazis from space attack the earth with their messerschmitts. Lawrence will be the last line of defense

[Hydro]

Depends whether LawerenceofArabia is flying the F22 or not. He could shoot a Bf109 down easy peasy.


On a more serious note, are you totally f*cking serious? Who would win out of the present day USAF and 1944 Luftwaffe?? You're an idiot.

[Uncle Chô]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

rofl rofl The funniest post I have read in month!

Mods, can you move this thread where it really belongs: Off Topic and Humor

Just get a copy of "The Final Countdown" where you will see what happened to a pair of Mitsubishi Zero vs a pair of F-14A Tomcat...

[Mastermind]

The two AC start out at the same time side by side...The ME tries to turn to bring his guns to bear...the F-22 is suddenly gone, accellerating at 650 mph straight up and out of sight before the ME can arm his guns. The F22 circles back, on a wide radius turn, all the while keeping the ME lit with his all around low emission radar..he can do this since he knows the ME has no radar locking missiles. The F22 flys out about twenty miles from the ME...the ME pilot is still craining his neck around, looking for the F22....the F22, while still flying perpendicular to the ME, releases a fire and forget missile that has already been given the location of the ME, the F22 thenimmediately egress from the area...the ME, now only 2.5 minutes into the combat is suddenly turned into a ball of orange and black...mission accomplished. The ME pilot did not survive the encounter.

[ed316]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5381/thumb22vf.jpg

[Snoshi]

have you guys ever seen the simpsons episode where sideshow bob steals the old plane during the flight show and the air force chases him :D

Yep, they deployed police on the cars with tennis bats :D


Btw this thread rocks!

[ex1cdo]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.


I'm sure you can sort it out with your Micro$oft Flight Simulator (as used to train all prospective fighter jocks) and brief us all...

[Mastermind]

And...yes the F22 radar can pick out the ME...it can pick out sparrows in flight. The radar is micro centimeter and has a highly discriminating computer. There is also an IR system that can easily pick up the exhaust heat emissions from the ME hot stacks like a neon bulb. Also, old prop jobs are highly radar reflective with that big old set of blades flipping around and all the highly reflective aluminum angles and curves in the fuse and wings and tail planes. The thing would light up Radar like a xmas tree. As for lock on...the missles themselves are part of the sensor system, feeding constantly to the main computer. The question is not to lock on...that, with the F22 is a constant...the question is, "Sir, do you want us to kill the target? Would you have any preference as to which one to kill first or would you like us to make that descison for you? Please press fire when ready"

[rhino]

Laughter of Arabia:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/807/cat0fm.jpg

why dont you read some Harry Turtledove books, find some friends and discuss "what if" with them?

[Atlantic Friend]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

Yeah, but the Me-109 will have trouble intercepting the F-22, if only because the 1944 Luftwaffe bases will have been visited by stand-off weapons first, with the venerable Me-109s blown all over the place.

It is a bit oike the bonus level in Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe Over Nortmandy, when you can have a squadron of TIE fighters against a squadron of Hurricanes or Swordfish !

[usm2b]

Hay guys! What abouts a delt@ force team with a bunch of SAW's and 50 cals. against an english army in the 1500's? Note that the enlgish have a lot of swords.

[toad]

'what if' the origional poster was a crackhead.

Mods should keep a e-notebook of the stupidest threads

[kineret]

nerd circle jerk.


exactly. what if master yoda fought edward scissorhands, but get this, edward scissorhands could dodge lightsabers liike in the Matrix. who do you think would win?? who?

[rhino]

oh come on now!!!! edward was a wimp!

[Mastermind]

Fighters set apart by AESA radars



By Reuben F. Johnson / Asian Aerospace February 2006


Northrop Grumman’s active electronically scanning array (AESA) radars have undoubtedly made a big impact on fighter technology. The AN/APG-77, the AN/APG-80 and the AN/APG-81 are fitted, respectively, to Lockheed Martin’s F-22A Raptor, F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon, and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).

The radar all three of these aircraft use in combat employ almost the same state-of-the-art technology. The AESA technology has become the great equalizer in that it provides a capability that can be fitted to multiple platforms.

This, in turn, gives Lockheed Martin the flexibility to offer customers a “same wine/different bottle” option when selecting a fighter aircraft. “What is important to any potential customer is that deciding to procure a less expensive aircraft that is an older design does not mean that they are buying into a less-capable suite of on-board systems,” a Northrop Grumman spokesman told Aviation International News.

“The AESA radar and what it brings to the aircraft’s combat performance has become the common denominator,” said a Northrop Grumman engineer. “The key is how far we have progressed in the design and manufacturing of the AESA’s transmit and receive [T/R] modules,” he added.

The latest, fourth-generation T/R design was based on the APG-80/81 arrays, but it is also being retrofitted into the APG-77. This means every F-22A from Lot 4 production and beyond will have an AESA built with the same T/R components that are in the F-35 and F-16E/F radar arrays.

The improvements of the AESA design over previous generation radars, such as the APG-68-(V)9, which is the standard radar in previous model F-16s, are substantial. The APG-80/81 series has three times the range of any radar fitted to a current F-16. It incorporates frequency hopping and other processing parameters that create what the designers call a “low probability of intercept” operation. In this way, the AESA radar can detect a target without the target’s electronic warnings systems becoming aware that it is being scanned.

The AESA radars are designed to search continuously for and to track multiple targets within the forward hemisphere of the aircraft. Since each sector on the array is its own transmitter and receiver, the AESA is able to perform an entire range of tasks. It no longer is just a radar, but a multifunctional array. This allows pilots to simultaneously search air-to-air, track those air-to-air targets, process air-to-ground targeting, produce high-resolution synthetic aperture radar imagery, transmit electronic countermeasures (ECM) against enemy radars and also guide the aircraft in a terrain-following mode–and all at much greater detection ranges.

An APG-77 fitted onboard an F-22A has demonstrated the transfer of a 72mb synthetic aperture radar image in 3.5 seconds at a data rate of 274 mbps. This process would have taken 48 minutes using the Link-16 protocol, which is the standard data exchange system in U.S. and NATO equipment.

The negative aspect of the AESA technology is that the hundreds of T/R modules produce a tremendous amount of heat, which requires a liquid cooling system that can be a maintenance headache when trying to use the aircraft operationally. This is offset by the fact that the AESA design enjoys a twofold increase in reliability compared to conventional, mechanically scanned radars, according to Northrop Grumman designers.

One question that remains unanswered is when and how Lockheed Martin will integrate an APG-80 derivative into its Block 50 series F-16C/D, which would make it a “Block 50 double plus” derivative. This seems an inevitable step that the Fort Worth, Texas-based manufacturer will have to take as both its existing customer, Pakistan, and prospective customer, India, have indicated that one of the prime requirements in their next fighter buy is that an AESA be on board.

Having this capability on board a fighter has become the prime consideration in the procurement of new fighters and the modernization of older models. Who flies faster and who turns tighter does not mean so much anymore

[tanneyman]

i bet the wright flyer could take out a whole fleet of f-22's!!!!!

[Mastermind]

Tannyman...you are way too funny...you could get paid for humor like that....

[Switek]

This is discussion about:

"HOW TO GET MOSQIUTO WITH SHOTGUN!"

Absolutely nonsense...

[S'13]

I wonder how a raptor (the dinosaur) would do against a cheetah...

[KEEPER0311]

Your post seems to focus wholly on what the F22 can't do to the 109. How about what the 109 can do to the F22?

Absurd thread.
The F-22 could just fly by the 109 in super cruise and knock it outta the sky. WOOT GO PREMEPTIVE STRIKES!

[Azide]

BF-109 vs. grounded f-22...

BF-109 pwns!

[Macs.]

I would like to hear the opinion of a expert on this.

Lawrence, from your big "F-22 Raptor" knowledge can't you tell who will win ?

Start a game right now, and tell us !

[nullterm]

Reminds me of playing Chuck Yeager's Air Combat flying a F-4 against a squadron of 109s. From my battle hardened and entirely realistic experiences, it's a squash match with the 109 not having a chance. The 22 could make high speed gun passes and be out of harm's way before the 109 could even point it's nose in the right direction.

[B25Hmitchell]

I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and we went back in time to Dec 6 1941 and shot down 2 Zero's and... and.. oh wait, that's a move, not a personal experience.

[Mastermind]

Like testing a flying steam locomotive against a Saber jet....no contest...its just two things that can not be fairly compared.

[He219]

I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and we went back in time to Dec 6 1941 and shot down 2 Zero's and... and.. oh wait, that's a move, not a personal experience.
4249
Don't forget the theme song (http://home.comcast.net/~freewebman/war/others/final-countdown.mp3); 'splash the zeros' ..
p-)

[evanfitz]

Lawrence is lucky that this thread had even lasted as long as it has.

[Kaplanr]

Wait..., let's compare apples and oranges.

http://www.thomasmodels.com/gallery/mf5.jpg

versus

http://www.citlink.net/~lzdaily/t_TOS_Enterprise_planet.jpg

or

http://www.stephenl.ndtilda.co.uk/Khan.jpg

v.

http://www.maarasuniverse.com/han/Hanchew2.jpg

[remo williams]

I would like to hear the opinion of a expert on this.

Lawrence, from your big "F-22 Raptor" knowledge can't you tell who will win ?

Start a game right now, and tell us !

you know he has a bigillion hrs flight time on his flight sim(some old post of his):roll: anyway arabian larry,it wouldn't be much of a fight.i think the raptor would hit the burners and stall the bf right out of the sky with the sonic boom,let alone with the jetwash...

[HoboWithAK]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

You're MPNET's new retard. Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

[rhino]

You're MPNET's new retard. Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

no, he is not new, he's been like that from the beginning

[LawrenceofArabia]

I would like to hear the opinion of a expert on this.

Lawrence, from your big "F-22 Raptor" knowledge can't you tell who will win ?

Start a game right now, and tell us !

This was just a conceptual question. You with a shotgun in a BMW driving at 100 MPG versus a butterfly, who would win?

[Falco]

This was just a conceptual question. You with a shotgun in a BMW driving at 100 MPG versus a butterfly, who would win?

What about a gyro-stabilized, computer controlled shotgun firing a specialized ABR (Anti-butterfly round) slaved to an advanced fire control system firing at the butterfly?

[remo williams]

This was just a conceptual question. You with a shotgun in a BMW driving at 100 MPG versus a butterfly, who would win?
are you high right now?Lay off the model glue.you see this is why many btdt's look unfavorably upon this forum,because of questions like this and your origional question:roll: .

[BrotherBluto17]

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.


You're trying to tell me that a propellor engine doesn't produce a considerable amount of heat? Check your premises...

[ronin2172]

forget the heat what about the fact the raptor carries a bunch of AMMRAM's 4 raptors can smoke a whole squadron of 109s without even seeing them. As long as they have enough missles the luftwaffe would be done inside of a week.

[LibertyUnites]

whats the difference between bf 109 and me 109? since me = messerschmit im assuming bf = another manufacturer or what?

[ronin2172]

whats the difference between bf 109 and me 109? since me = messerschmit im assuming bf = another manufacturer or what?


Bf 109 was the official Reichsluftfahrtministerium designation, since the design was sent in by the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke company. Because the company was renamed to Messerschmitt, some late-war aircraft actually carried the Me 109 designation stamped onto their aircraft type plates. Me 109 was the name used officially by the Luftwaffe propaganda publications as well as by the Messerschmitt company and the Luftwaffe personnel, who ****ounced it 'may hundred-nine'. ME 109 (****ounced 'emm ee one-oh-nine') was the contemporary English interpretation of the designation. However, in both wartime and contemporary literature, both the "Bf" and "Me" prefixes are used, and both are considered valid and accurate.

[GazB]

Now this is just silly.


Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.




1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.


Rubbish. A modern IR guided missile like R-73 or AIM-9M can easily target propeller driven aircraft. 1,000 + HP engines generate a lot of heat too. Also the AIM-9X generates an image of the target and could be used against frozen targets with no hot spots at all. If IR weapons only guided towards the hottest thing it could see then all IR missiles would try to fly towards the sun. Only first generation IR missiles had that problem.


2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

The minimum safe flight speed of the F-22 in probably less than 400km/h. Shooting down a Bf-109 in an F-22 would be comparable to shooting down an I-15 biplane in a Bf-109... which was easy. If you think hitting slow targets is hard then how well do you think a Bf-109 would do against an airship. There is a reason why airships were not used as bombers in WWII.
BTW an Su-27 can hit a hovering helicopter with an R-77... the F-22 would have no problem at all doing the same.


3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

F-22 doesn't have a doppler radar. It has an active phased array radar. It has over 1,000 individual transmit and receive radar modules, each can operate independantly. You can have 500 modules scanning for air targets, 200 scanning the ground in a terrain avoidance mode and the remaining modules detecting ground targets... STATIONARY GROUND TARGETS... like barbed wire defences.

Early radars coped with the huge radar return of the ground by ignoring anything that is not moving and only processing the radar return from objects that are moving at say over 150km/h. Any less than that and you'd get cars and trains on your display. The F-22 has digital signal processors built into the transmit receive modules. The F-22s radar doesn't need to filter noise as it has over 1,000 signal processors to look for useful data. A Bf-109 could be targetted and tracked on the ground when it isn't moving up to its maximum speed and maximum altitude. Except for sinking underwater it has no ability to evade an F-22s radar. It also has no way of knowing the F-22 has spotted him.


Read my post, the Messerschmidt would be too slow for any f-22 to have a good lock on.

So a helicopter can shoot down a $338 million dollar fighter?


Whats the Raptors stalling speed????


With thrust vectoring nozzles the F-22 probably has plenty of control at speeds below the Bf-109s stall speed.

[Durandal]

Seriously, is this actually in the "General Discussion"?

For ƒuck's sake.

[Seraphim]

Seriously, is this actually in the "General Discussion"?

For ƒuck's sake.

Agreed, sometimes I think the mods need to be more strict in dealing with retards like this.

For example...XxDualityxX

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75612

[B25Hmitchell]

This thread is a
http://x11.putfile.com/3/7506505294.gif
but funny as hell !

[sp2c]

were there airfields that could support the F22 back then?

the real question would be what if a suicidebomber got into paradise and blew himself up next to Adam and Eve right after they ate the forbidden fruit?

would god build new humans?
Would they still be forced out of paradise and into the world and forced to wear clothes? Would the world be modelled after the suicide bomber instead?
Why does Starbucks coffee suck, does it have anything to do with the previous? who's going to win the world soccer championships?

[Freibier]

rofl rofl rofl

[rhino]

this still going:cantbeli:



potatos or rice? which one pwns the other?

[Flounder]

"Except for sinking underwater it has no ability to evade an F-22s radar. It also has no way of knowing the F-22 has spotted him."

So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that the F-22 would stand no chance at all against a Type VII C U-boat?

[vampireuk]

Could Chuck Norris take out a F-22?

[Turbo]

Could Chuck Norris take out a F-22?


No but steven segall could

[Raven Sqd]

Actually me-109 beats f-22 in one area. It is much cheaper. ME-109 is much cheaper plane to manufacture. I would assume that its operating costs are quite low too when compared to F-22.

[zulu261]

You don't, but how would you have a good shot at the 109? It would be like trying to shoot a dragonfly while driving 100 MPH.


Your key is the radar...the F22 would lock on from about 50 miles away or whatever and then 1 AMRAMM would be released...

[JoaMei]

This topic is stupid, even the modern IR-guided Missiles are able to lock on the thermal signature from any direction.

[martinexsquaddie]

chuck norris'sfarts have been known to down f22s :0

[Alpha13]

I'm bumping this topic because its very important....and because everyone knows that my kite (with no heat signature, low altitude flying, and highly advanced manuvering) can bring down F22 anytime.

[toad]

...the secret is in the string.

[rhino]

I am guessing that if enough times this topic gets bumped, mods will ban the original poster and anyone that took part in it,
so bump thread, bump!!!!!

[Azide]

Is it possible to install a radar on to a Bf109, or how about some IR guided rockets? Then it might have a chance.

b.t.w Starbucks coffee isnt bad at all.

[KEEPER0311]

Is it possible to install a radar on to a Bf109, or how about some IR guided rockets? Then it might have a chance.

b.t.w Starbucks coffee isnt bad at all.
Well considering there was little left over space in the 109 as it was...i doubt you could even attempt radar...

[LawrenceofArabia]

Actually me-109 beats f-22 in one area. It is much cheaper. ME-109 is much cheaper plane to manufacture. I would assume that its operating costs are quite low too when compared to F-22.

That's right, think of it this way. If you have 400 million dollars, would you buy one f-22 or 1,000 me-109? The f-22 can't even have 20 missiles, it literally have to shoot one bullet per me-109 to win.

[ed316]

That's right, think of it this way. If you have 400 million dollars, would you buy one f-22 or 1,000 me-109? The f-22 can't even have 20 missiles, it literally have to shoot one bullet per me-109 to win.

http://coolmusic.no.sapo.pt/private/retard.jpg

[haschmich]

funny to see those F22 fanatics getting angry about this somehow interesting and intelligent question that was raised. get it you pathetic freaks: its not about F22<109, its about the surprising idea of high tech having big trouble with low tech :)

[ronin2172]

funny to see those F22 fanatics getting angry about this somehow interesting and intelligent question that was raised. get it you pathetic freaks: its not about F22<109, its about the surprising idea of high tech having big trouble with low tech :)
It isn't an interesting question because the F 22 will have no problem with a Me 109, whatsoever. The only thing funny is that you and Lawrence actually think you have a valid arguement.

[Midav]

people are actually arguing this? rofl

this belongs in ot&h ;)

[haschmich]

It isn't an interesting question because the F 22 will have no problem with a Me 109, whatsoever. The only thing funny is that you and Lawrence actually think you have a valid arguement.
you are obviously stupid and cannot understand the irony behind this. :cantbeli:

[sp2c]

No but steven segall could
but could Chuck Norris take out Steven Segall by suckerpunching him in the balls? And if the both played for opposing teams in the world soccer finals ... who'd win?

the world is a scary and unpredictable place

[ronin2172]

you are obviously stupid and cannot understand the irony behind this. :cantbeli:
*Gasp* Your so mean! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SP2C....Norris would win the soccer game...when was the last time u saw Segal actualyy kick anything?

[LazerLordz]

let's pit the F-22 against the Jedi Starfighter, atmospheric combat.

http://www.math.univ-montp2.fr/~mohamadi/dasilvaweb/F22.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/11/Jedistarfighter.jpg/250px-Jedistarfighter.jpg


:lol:

[jipman]

A Messerschmitt ace would own a shytty F-22 pilot.

[nagant_m44]

A Messerschmitt ace would own a shytty F-22 pilot.

LOL wut????

[usm2b]

I imagine it would kind of be something like an me262 vs a 51. Except... f22's carry AMRAAM missiles which rely on radar lock vs. heat.

[Opening Batsman]

Best. Bump. Ever.

[Sneeker]

wow this is an old thread why did you bring this back to life???

[BiZ]

One of the biggest tools to ever post on MPnet

I entered this thread not expecting much and thankfully I was not disappointed.

Never a more worthy title.

[Shadowstorm]

Wow! What a stupid thread. Here's a simple fact, it depends how good the training and skills of a pilot not a plane.

[Sneeker]

:cantbeli:am i the only one who has noticed that this thread is originaly from feb 2006? Seriously.

[Masai]

Hi, I was just wondering if the modern USAF fought the 1944 Luftwaffe. How can the modern USAF win? Let's compare the F-22 to the Messerschmitt BF 109 for example.

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

2. The super fast f-22 cannot lock onto the slow moving Messerschmitt (it would be like a su-27 trying to lock on to a butterfly), thus completely renders its missiles/cannons useless.

3. The Messerschmitt can fly at an extremely low altitude and slow speed that the f-22 radars won't pick up.

Oh come on....

why wasnt this thread closed years ago ?!?

[Shadowstorm]

Yeah, same here. I can't believe this thread last this long.

[Buckeye67]

LOL wut????

Not to pile on or anything, but you bumped a 2 year old thread to make an utterly without content, retarded, 6-character, insipid internet-speak reply to a person that's been banned since 2006?

[nagant_m44]

Not to pile on or anything, but you bumped a 2 year old thread to make an utterly without content, retarded, 6-character, insipid internet-speak reply to a person that's been banned since 2006?

it is one of the most epic threads in mpnet history.

[BiZ]

:cantbeli:am i the only one who has noticed that this thread is originaly from feb 2006? Seriously.

I am the only one who noticed you spelt originally wrong? Seriously..


This thread was well worth the two year revival. If not for the idiots who will now post serious replies and debate amongst themselves seemingly oblivious to everyone else taking the piss.

[500]

1. The f-22's heat-seeking missiles are completely useless as the Messerschmitt uses propellors.

http://www.youtube.com/v/WrTv9f1oXJw

[TacoDelRio]

The BF 109G6 can have Methanol injected into its' engine, giving it a top speed well above that of the F22.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Yeah. Nah. Whatever.