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Ubar
03-18-2006, 02:13 PM
OK, PLEASE!!! post more pics from this period if you have them. I'm more interested in combat uniforms than dress uniforms, but everything is good, even guns (G1, G3, MP2 etc). I know 76er had some pics from his father's service.. ;)
Please don't post pictures of the NVA, I am working on a seperate thread for those

Some of these pics I have scanned from books I own so some pics are reenactors, and don't be put off the a crappy looking thumbnail, they are clickable to a higher res and dont have the strange corruption on.

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image1t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image1.jpg)

First model BGS Tarnzug, a very rare suit today. This suit dates from the 1950s when the BGS was armed with Mauser rifles and wartime steel helmets (which were later replaced by one of BGS pattern similar to the Wermacht M35)

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image3t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image3.jpg)

The standard camouflage combat uniform of the bundeswehr from 1956 untill the early 1960s. Note the M1 Nato design steel helmet.

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16.jpg)

A senior corporal in the combat camouflage uniform, M1A1 steel helmet with net, and a G1 rifle. Beside him is a corporal wearing a work uniform with half height laced shoes and canvas gaiters. This footwear remained in service with non-combat troops untill the 1970s

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image17t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image17.jpg)

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image18t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image18.jpg)

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image13t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image13.jpg)
http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image4t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image4.jpg)

The airbourne forces' version of the 1956 Bundeswehr Tarnzug. Helmet covers were occasionally made from the detatchable helmet hood, pictured covering a Bundeswehr copy of the wartime Fallschirmjager pattern helmet.
On the rear of the parachutists' uniform you can see the cargo pockets, another distinguishing feature absent from the general issue version

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image6t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image6.jpg)

This is the earliest BGS Sumfmuster (or Sumpftarn) suit, with pullover jacket. The small pocket at the bottom of the shirt is for a field dressing.

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image7t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image7.jpg)

The Sumpfmuster parka is very similar to the later olive drab Bundeswehr parka

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image19t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image19.jpg)

The solid colour combat uniform of the 1960s was made from scratchy woolen cloth, that won it the nickname "felt louse"

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image20t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image20.jpg)

An oberleutnant of the Armoured Grenadiers stands infront of a group disembarking from what looks like a Marder APC, some time in the early 1980s

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image21t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image21.jpg)

Illustrations of a staff sargent of the Armoured Grenadiers in the combat uniform that was worn from the mid 1970s untill the re-introduction of the camouflaged uniform. On the right, an Armoured Grenadier's work/combat unfirom with sweater that was introduced in 1980

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image22t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image22.jpg)

A comparison to the olive drab combat uniform of the 1980s and early 90s, and the introductory Flecktarn pattern, which was to be issued to all infantry units by 1995

http://shed-o-love.com/images/airsoft/80s/IMG_0038t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/airsoft/80s/IMG_0038.jpg)

http://shed-o-love.com/images/airsoft/80s/IMG_0037t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/airsoft/80s/IMG_0037.jpg)

The author of this thread looking cool in his back garden ;) 1980s style

Some pictures from user modd3r posted in a previous thread, take by his father:

http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/12pk.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/24yi.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/37xo.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/41by.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/53vt.jpg

And some more random pictures I have found, mainly from http://www.fallschirmpioniere.de/ (and so many of these are airbourne troops)
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/grenbtl34-1957-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/l001.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l000-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l000-2.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l000.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l001-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l001.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l002-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l002-2.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l002-3.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l002.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l003-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l003-2.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l003-3.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l003.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l004.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l005-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l005.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l006.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l007-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l007.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l008-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l008.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l009.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l010-1.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l010.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l011.jpg
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l014.jpg

ronin2172
03-18-2006, 02:17 PM
Great pics!
I didn't know the West German Army used the FAL.....

He219
03-18-2006, 02:23 PM
great pix & info!
Thanks
:)

Sierra_Tango69
03-18-2006, 02:25 PM
Great pics!
I didn't know the West German Army used the FAL.....

It is the HK G-3

Ubar
03-18-2006, 02:26 PM
Great pics!
I didn't know the West German Army used the FAL.....

They used it from 1956-59 under the designation G1, but FN wouldn't grant them a manufacture licence so they developed the G3 from the spanish CETME (based on the german stg.45)

In the top few pics, the FAL used actually looks to be a British L1A1 with wooden furniture, whereas the G1 had the Metal handguard and bakalite pistol grip


It is the HK G-3
There are plenty of pics of the FAL up there :P

ronin2172
03-18-2006, 02:30 PM
It is the HK G-3
no it is a FAL ( almost the whole set of color pics in the begining of the post)I know what a G3 looks like.....

TY for the info Ubar

Sierra_Tango69
03-18-2006, 02:32 PM
Ops, sorry, silly me..Gosh it's getting late for the old me..

wamp
03-18-2006, 02:35 PM
great pics..what type of APC is it in the second parts of the pics the guys is jumping out of?

kk111
03-18-2006, 02:46 PM
hs30 "spz lang"

Amandil
03-18-2006, 04:12 PM
Great thread! Informative, some nice colour pics, fascinating period. Thanks!

gregb
03-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Nice Thread . especially for the Weekend.........hmmmmm

oregongrunt
03-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Good pics, we don't see many from that era.

CrazyBeaver
03-18-2006, 08:44 PM
http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l010.jpg

What`s the Story behind this?
Beseitigen Manöverschäden -> Cleaning Trainings damages

What are they doeing on this Pic? Reparing the Road or what?

@ Ubar

My Fahter was 1971 - 1973 in the West German Army, he have 2 Photo Albums, i scann some Photos from MG3 fireing and some other Stuff in next Days ;)

McLane
03-18-2006, 09:11 PM
Wow, thats all very very cool! But I don't understand why they changed from camo (50s) to one-color-field jackets (80s).... any answers?

JoaMei
03-18-2006, 10:15 PM
Wow, thats all very very cool! But I don't understand why they changed from camo (50s) to one-color-field jackets (80s).... any answers?

It was the NATO-Standard uniform colour and the camo reminded to many people on the SS Uniform and so on.

c46thva
03-19-2006, 12:14 AM
The fotos of "reenactors" are actually a couple of GIs and of Dan Peterson the author of the book. He was the museum director for the 1st Armd Div museum in Frankfurt and later when it moved to Baumholder. I was stationed there at the time and helped Dan with the research. He also did another on SS style camo and post-war derivatives. I actually posed for lots of the photos in the SS book. Dans collection of camo uniforms was HUGE. In his collection he also had alot of examples of proto-type Budeswher camo patterns that were not adopted. Ill try and find some pics of the proto type uniforms he showed me, I have then somewhere around here.

Ubar
03-19-2006, 08:09 AM
Sweet, please do :D

bigjeff
03-19-2006, 08:53 AM
Great pics!
I didn't know the West German Army used the FAL.....

yeh i m very surprised as well.

East Scout II
03-19-2006, 09:27 AM
Very interesting.......Many thanks..

Nite
03-19-2006, 11:39 AM
It was the NATO-Standard uniform colour and the camo reminded to many people on the SS Uniform and so on.
No, it wasn't reminding people of the Waffen-SS.
In fact it was a modified Wehrmacht-pattern which offended som of Germany's new allies (former wartime enemies)

trasher
03-19-2006, 01:08 PM
Of course, the first German Sturmgewehr was the FN FAL called Gewehr 1 or G1.
It was detached by the Heckler&Koch Gewehr 3 (G3), which based upon the StG.45.

Edit:
Sorry, I didn't read the post on first page.

You're also interested in pics from 1998? We've used also the steingrauoliv-Uniform, some parts in Flecktarn and the G3.

Lazarou
03-19-2006, 01:23 PM
Great pics!
I didn't know the West German Army used the FAL.....

FN sold 100 000 FALs (German designation "G1") to Germany in the 1950's. Germany wanted to get a manufacturing licence but Belgium said no. Germany turned to another design, the Spanish CETME, modified it and adopted it as the G3.

EDIT: Damn, ze Germans are fast.
EDIT#2: Damn, the British are even faster.

Hydro
03-19-2006, 02:05 PM
EDIT: Damn, ze Germans are fast.
EDIT#2: Damn, the British are even faster.

Except when it comes to sun loungers....p-)




I keed, I keed ;)

Count Lippe
03-19-2006, 03:03 PM
There are also a couple of Garands on those pics, so we used that one too...p-)

elguapo
03-19-2006, 03:51 PM
http://shed-o-love.com/images/airsoft/80s/IMG_0037t.jpg

Wait you´re Brittish! Wonder how your neighbours felt....

Ubar
03-19-2006, 03:59 PM
There are also a couple of Garands on those pics, so we used that one too...p-)

I found that very interesting actually, in a couple of pics you can see Garands, but also at least one with an M1 carbine

http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l007.jpg
Garand with some sort of muzzle booster/rifle grenade launcher?

http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l002-3.jpg
M1 Carbine on the front man?



Wait you´re Brittish! Wonder how your neighbours felt....

I don't think they're too worried, unless I brought out my MG3 :D

kk111
03-19-2006, 04:08 PM
Bundeswehr:
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_spz_m39-011.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_spz_m39-013.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_flakpz_m16-012a.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_lefh_105mm_m101-001.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_pigeraet_caterpillar_d7-001.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_mann_kierim-002.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/ftx_gutes_omen_1971-001i.jpg

Bundesgrenzschutz (Border Guard):

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_Elbe-Hochwasser_1954-1.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_Gewhr_G1_Energa.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_grossueb_50er_Jahre.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_grossueb_MOSEL_1958.jpg

Ubar
03-19-2006, 04:44 PM
Awesome :D

kk111
03-19-2006, 06:18 PM
is this thread only for infantry-pictures?

haze99
03-19-2006, 06:54 PM
ubar, that conical flash-hider would denote this rifle, as a M-1D Garand sniper rifle. Also, troops jumping from carrier armed with M-1D & M-1918A2 BAR!

c46thva, where is dan petersen now? Still at the US 1st AD museum?

Ubar
03-19-2006, 07:17 PM
Doesnt have to just be infantry :)

RS_Leo1A5
03-20-2006, 08:42 AM
http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16.jpg)

A senior corporal in the combat camouflage uniform, M1A1 steel helmet with net, and a G1 rifle. Beside him is a corporal wearing a work uniform with half height laced shoes and canvas gaiters.
Those rank designations are off!
An Obergefreiter (left) is not a "senior corporal" but a Private 1st Class (OR-3a).
A Gefreiter (right) is not a corporal but a Private (OR-2a).

The Bundeswehr doesn't have Corporals - the most senior enlisted men (below NCOs), Stabsgefreiter and Oberstabsgefreiter (OR-4a/4b), could be compared to Specialist. They have no command authority.


http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image21t.jpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image21.jpg)

Illustrations of a staff sargent of the Armoured Grenadiers in the combat uniform that was worn from the mid 1970s untill the re-introduction of the camouflaged uniform.
Again the rank is off.
A Stabsunteroffizier (OR-5c) is equivalent to a US Army Sergeant (an American Staff Sergeant would be a German Feldwebel).

Ubar
03-20-2006, 01:14 PM
I just copied from the book ok ;)

He219
04-11-2006, 05:07 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/9fb2e4f3.jpg

NEW GERMAN ARMY: Soldiers of the new German Army march in formation in the Andernach Army camp. Full swing activities began January 2, 1956 with the opening of a three month basic course for 800 men who will become instructors for future groups. (AP Photo/Gillhausen) --- Soldaten der neuen westdeutschen Armee, der Bundeswehr marschieren in Formation in der Kaserne von Andernach. Der volle Betrieb startete am 2. Januar, 1956 mit einer drei Monate dauernden Grundausbildung fuer 800 Maenner, die spaeter als Ausbilder eingesetzt werden fuer nachfolgende Gruppen. (AP Photo/Gillhausen)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/4bf8b7d0.jpg

Soldiers of the new German Army exercise in the Andernach Army camp. Full swing activities began January 2, 1956 with the opening of a three month basic course for 800 men who will become instructors for future groups. (AP Photo/Gillhausen) ---- IM LAUFSCHRITT, MARSCH, MARSCH: Grundausbildung der am 2. Januar 1956 in Andernach eingerueckten Freiwilligen zur in diesem Jahr neu gegruendeten deutschen Bundeswehr. (AP Photo/Gillhausen)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/c6fe5500.jpg

Eight German army officers at the moment visit the signal school of the US Army to get technical training, January 9, 1956. No location given. (AP Photo/Str) --- DEUTSCHE SOLDATEN BESUCHEN USA-KRIEGSSCHULE: Acht deutsche Offiziere und Unteroffiziere befinden sich zur Zeit in der Nachrichtenschule der US Armee, um an einem technischen Nachrichtenlehrgang teilzunehmen am 9. Januar 1956. Der Ort ist nicht bekannt. (AP Photo/Str)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/939b5565.jpg

Soldiers of the Bundeswehr, the new West German army, march in formation to the shooting range, near Coblenz on the Rhine river for their first shooting exercise April 19, 1956. The fired light machine guns, bazookas and mortars. (AP Photo/Horst Faas) --- Soldaten der Bundeswehr, der neuen westdeutschen Armee, marschieren in Formation zum Schiessplatz in der Naehe von Koblenz am Rhein, zu ihrer ersten Schiessuebung am 19. April, 1956. Sie feuerten mit leichten Maschinengewehren, Panzerfaeusten und Granatwerfern. (AP Photo/Horst Faas)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/7aaf4570.jpg

A soldier of the Bundeswehr, the new West German army, loads a mortar during the first firing exercise of the Bundeswehr at a shooting range near Coblenz, on the Rhine river, April 20, 1956. Other weapons fired under the guidance of American instructors were machine guns and Bazookas. (Ap Photo/Horst Faas) --- Ein Soldat der Bundeswehr, der neuen westdeutschen Armee, laed einen Granatwerfer, waerend seine Kanmeraden hinter ihm stehen, auf dem Schiessplatz in der Naehe von Koblenz am Rhein, bei ihrer ersten Schiessuebung am 20. April, 1956. Sie feuerten mit leichten Maschinengewehren, Panzerfaeusten und Granatwerfern. (AP Photo/Horst Faas)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/66ff2286.jpg

After marching through the town Niederlahnstein, Germany, September 12, 1956, an Artillery unit moved in the military camp in Niederlahnstein. To decorate the occasion the town hoisted flags and many citicens watched the march of the 400 soldiers. Before they entered the town the were presented with little bunches of flowers, which the soldiers stuck in their waist belt. (AP Photo/STF) --- Nach einem Marsch durch die Stadt, hat am 12. September 1956 eine Artillerie Einheit der Bundeswehr die Kaserne von Niederlahnstein bezogen. Die Stadt hatte aus diesem Anlass Flaggenschmuck angelegt und zahlreiche Einwohner wohnten am Strassenrand dem Einmarsch der rund 400 Soldaten bei. Vor ihrem Einmarsch waren den Soldaten kleine Blumenstaeusse ueberreicht worden, die sie beim Marsch am Koppel trugen. (AP Photo/STF)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/144b1a15.jpg

Soldiers of West Germany's new mountain troop on a training exercise in the Alp mountains near Mittenwald, Germany, November 28, 1956. The members of the new unit, the first mountain division under Colonel Hans Buchner, wear the traditional emblem of German mountain troops, the Edelweiss. They are equipped with American light weapons including Bazookas. The division at present only has two Battalions but it is expected to reach full strength soon. (AP Photo/Sandensr) --- Soldaten der neu gegruendeten Gebirgstruppe bei einer Uebung in den Alpen in der Naehe von Mittenwald am 28. November 1956. Die Maenner der neuen Einheit, die erste Gebirgstruppen Division unter dem Kommando von Oberst Hans Buchner, tragen das traditionelle Emblem der Gebirgstruppe, das Edelweiss. Sie sind ausgestattet mit leichten amerikanischen Waffen und Panzerfaeusten. Die Division verfuegt im Moment ueber nur zwei Bataillone. Es ist aber zu erwarten, dass die volle Staerke bald erreicht ist. (AP Photo/Sandensr)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/4e646377.jpg

Crewmen sit on top of Soviet Army tanks as the armor confronts U.S. Army tanks at the Friedrichstrasse checkpoint in Berlin, Oct. 28, 1961. At left are East German policemen. (AP Photo)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/10c9fe80.jpg

Armed Forces Chief, General Ulrich de Maiziere, right, talks with Air Force Lieutenant General Hans Trautlofft, during a commanders briefing at the German Defence Ministry in Bonn, August 29, 1966. (AP Photo/Stf) --- Der oberste Befehlshaber der Bundeswehr, General Ulrich de Maiziere, im Gespraech mit dem General der Luftwaffe, dem General Leutnant Hans Trautlofft waehrend einer Unterredung des Fuehrungsstabes der Bundeswehr im Verteidigungs Ministerium in Bonn, am 29. August, 1966. (AP Photo/Stf)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/c6e95c45.jpg

Undated photo of German soldiers walking past a sign of their detachment at Fort Bliss, USA, as they head for home of their host family in nearby El Paso for a party. (AP Photo/Str) --- Undatierte Aufnahme von deutschen Soldaten, mit einem Schild eines Ausbildungsstuetzpunktes der deutschen Bundeswehr im Fort Bliss, USA, auf dem Weg zu einer Party ihrer Gastgeberfamilie im nahegelegenen El Paso. (AP Photo/Str)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/5b685c63.jpg

US Army soldiers of the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment patrol along the border with East Germany (German Democratic Republic) between the western German towns of Fulda und Philippsthal on August 3, 1981. In the background a watchtower of the East German border guard is seen. (AP-PHOTO/hpr/stf/Heribert Proepper)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/af474db6.jpg

Unter den Augen ihrer Kameraden setzt Hauptgefreite Susann Kaemmerer ein Gewehr G3 zusammen, waehrend der Schiessausbildung am 28. Feb. 2001, auf dem Bundeswehr-Schiessstand in List auf Sylt. (AP Photo/Heribert Proepper)

nuedel
06-23-2006, 03:55 AM
cool pics.
Thanks for posting.

seventy6er
06-23-2006, 05:08 AM
Dad's pics


http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_01.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_02.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_04.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_05_1.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_06_1.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_07_1.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_08.jpg

http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/mil/gerd_09_1.jpg

seventy6er
06-23-2006, 05:11 AM
Btw: I still have two big-ass "Seesäcke" with all the stuff my dad received as a conscript. 1963 BDU's, boots and all the other gear.

Maybe I should sell it on eBay ;)

He219
08-23-2006, 10:29 AM
*bump*
p-)




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/fresh/freshest/30945417.jpg

Submit Date 08/23/2006 05:32:18 The first submarine of the German Navy 'Hai' (shark) which was launched mid August is seen in the bay of Kiel, Germany, during a test run September 23, 1957. The boat weighing 250 tonnes was completed just before the end of WW II and sunk in the western Baltic Sea before its first mission. In 1956 it was lifted and completely overhauled for the German Navy. In the background is the Navy monument of Laboe. (AP Photo/Str) --- Das Mitte August in Dienst gestellte erste Unterseeboot der Bundesmarine "Hai" waehrend einer Probefahrt am 23. September 1957 in der Kieler Bucht. Das 250 Tonnen schwere Boot war kurz vor Kriegsende fertiggestellt worden und noch vor seinem ersten Einsatz in der westlichen Ostsee versenkt worden. Es wurde 1956 wieder gehoben und fuer die Bundesmarine von Grund auf ueberholt. Im Hintergrund das Marineehrenmal von Laboe. (AP Photo/Str)

CSAR
08-23-2006, 12:42 PM
I knew the Finnish m/62 camo pattern was ripped from the Germans but I didn't know it was that similar.

Karo
08-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Btw: I still have two big-ass "Seesäcke" with all the stuff my dad received as a conscript. 1963 BDU's, boots and all the other gear.

Maybe I should sell it on eBay ;-)



I wouldnt sell such stuff..





btw, greats pics!!

Lazarou
08-23-2006, 12:59 PM
I knew the Finnish m/62 camo pattern was ripped from the Germans but I didn't know it was that similar.
IMHO the m/62 looks more like the Italian 1929 Telo Mimetico pattern:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3504/00058ch0.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00058ch0.jpg)
1929 Telo Mimetico

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/226/00125fz7.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00125fz7.jpg)
Finnish m/62

JVeld
08-23-2006, 01:20 PM
Great pictures .... I would like to see the East German equivalents to these pictures !!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/AP/more/and%20more/4e646377.jpg

I like this pic the best, Soviet T-55s facing the Americans !!!

Hiroshima
08-23-2006, 01:22 PM
Wow...thank you very much. I was born in West Germany in 1982, and this is the first time I've seen anything like what's been shown in the pictures. (I'm a USAF brat, and we left W. Germany a year after I was born).

Holmer
08-23-2006, 01:59 PM
Two I found a while back....good thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/holmer/Forum%20pics/bgs_grossueb_50er_Jahre.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/holmer/Forum%20pics/bgs_Gewhr_G1_Energa.jpg

Karo
08-23-2006, 03:01 PM
some additions:

Sennelager, 13.09.1959:

Helmut von Grolman visits a mortar company of the 4. Panzergrenadierdivision:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/81/68/98/preview/00816898.jpg

"Honest John", 1960:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/81/54/07/preview/00815407.jpg

Demonstration of the rocket launcher "Honest John", Eschweiler 19.03.1959:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/81/54/04/preview/00815404.jpg

again "Honest John", near Gießen, May 1959:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/81/54/03/preview/00815403.jpg

Achim Reichel:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/84/48/38/preview/00844838.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/84/48/35/preview/00844835.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/84/48/33/preview/00844833.jpg

Generalmajor Werner Haag, commander of the 6. Panzerdivision, August 1965:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/81/89/16/preview/00818916.jpg

Chancellor Adenauer visits the Bundeswehr, 20.01.1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/65/preview/00807865.jpg

The new uniforms of the Bundeswehr, 21.07.1955:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/64/preview/00807864.jpg

The frist 1000 soldiers start their service, 20.01.1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/63/preview/00807863.jpg

again Adenauer, who visits the new Bundeswehr:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/66/preview/00807866.jpg

Minister of defence, Blank, names the first two officers, Hans Speidel and Adolf Heusinger, of the Bundeswehr, Bonn 12.11.1955:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/62/preview/00807862.jpg

Blank visits the Bundeswehr:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/61/preview/00807861.jpg

Blank names the first officers:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/59/preview/00807859.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/58/preview/00807858.jpg

Adenauer visits the Bundeswehr in Andernach, 20.01.1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/57/preview/00807857.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/56/preview/00807856.jpg


http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/55/preview/00807855.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/78/54/preview/00807854.jpg

Bundeswehr helps during the flood in Hamburg, 19.02.1962:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/80/68/45/preview/00806845.jpg

Founding of the Bundeswehr with Blank and the first 101 volunteers 12.11.1955:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/78/24/60/preview/00782460.jpg

Crash of the 70. Starfighter of the Bundeswehr, near Cologne 22.05.1967:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/76/04/43/preview/00760443.jpg

Crash of two Starfighters within one hour, the first half of the pic shows the german one and the 2. shows the canadian one 21.03.1966:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/76/04/39/preview/00760439.jpg

Crash of another Starfighter enar Detmold,
28.04.1967:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/76/04/31/preview/00760431.jpg


Later more p-)

Karo
08-23-2006, 04:08 PM
more:

Panzergrenadiere jumpf out off an HS-30. 10.08.1972:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/70/03/89/preview/00700389.jpg

Starfighter pilots, 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/52/50/11/preview/00525011.jpg


http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/52/48/71/preview/00524871.jpg

Pilot Horst von Zeppelin, 1966:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/52/48/72/preview/00524872.jpg

Young soldiers read the magazine "Die ersten Schritte" ("The first steps"), the free magazine of the ministry of defence, 06.09.1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/54/27/42/preview/00542742.jpg

again a Starfighter, 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/52/48/51/preview/00524851.jpg

Two soldiers of the Bundeswehr patrol in front of the depot for ammunition in Lebach:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/58/71/72/preview/00587172.jpg

Gerhard Schröder (other one than the last chancellor) overgives his office (minister of defence) to Helmut Schmidt:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/56/07/71/preview/00560771.jpg

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge in the Bundeswehr, November 1976:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/45/92/89/preview/00459289.jpg

Joachim von Hassel in the USA on the "Williams Air Base" during his training as a jet pilot, 05.01.1966:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/45/71/21/preview/00457121.jpg

Leopard 2A4(?) during an excercise, August 1979:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/42/40/67/preview/00424067.jpg

Alpha-Jet, 1989:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/38/59/82/preview/00385982.jpg

New recruit has got his new uniform, 42. Grenadier-Bataillon, Kassel:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/38/35/98/preview/00383598.jpg

Members of the 2. Grenadierdivision during the training with the MG 1 (?), 14.09.1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/36/22/99/preview/00362299.jpg


again a "Honest John", around 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/36/34/11/preview/00363411.jpg

M 109 of the Bundeswehr, 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/36/33/96/preview/00363396.jpg

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/36/33/94/preview/00363394.jpg

K. U. v. Hassel, at this moment minister of defense, visits an air force base of the Bundeswehr, 1963:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/35/97/34/preview/00359734.jpg

Shooting with the 155mm howitzer with real ammo on the excercise place Baumholder, 1. - 12.12.1959:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/32/33/72/preview/00323372.jpg

Female soldiers togehter with their male comrades, 1989:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/31/75/58/preview/00317558.jpg

M 113 of the Bundeswehr, 1978:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/27/69/04/preview/00276904.jpg

Starfighter on a fly show, 24.09.1961

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/27/22/67/preview/00272267.jpg

Leopard 2A4(?), middle of the 80ies:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/24/45/80/preview/00244580.jpg

Infrared scope for the M1 Carbine (if im correct..), 1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/23/50/25/preview/00235025.jpg

Germand and american radio soldiers (how to translate "Fernmeldesoldat"..?? ) during the laying of a cable through the forest near Erbstadt, 1957:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/23/49/18/preview/00234918.jpg

Bundeswehr soldiers tinker some toys for poor kids:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/23/49/04/preview/00234904.jpg

Unveiling of the name plate of the Graf Stauffenberg Kaserne:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/22/73/64/preview/00227364.jpg

Shot of a rocket of the type SS-11 of a rocket hunter tank HS-30, 1965:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/21/09/49/preview/00210949.jpg

AA rockets of the type "HAWK", 1990:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/19/02/44/preview/00190244.jpg


http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/19/02/15/preview/00190215.jpg

General Inspector of the Bundeswehr the ex 2. Motrisierte Schützen - Regiment of the NVA, 11.10.1990:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/18/39/87/preview/00183987.jpg

Recruits during the cleaning of the rifle, 1990:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/16/60/94/preview/00166094.jpg

and again the first recruits of the Bundeswehr during an excerise in the terrain, 1956:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/15/11/78/preview/00151178.jpg

Female Medic-Officer aspirants during the cleaning of their rifle, 1989:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/15/77/22/preview/00157722.jpg

"Lance" rocket system, 1989:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/13/75/45/preview/00137545.jpg

Helmut Kohl, in a turret of a Leopard 1 tank, visits the Bundeswehr, 19.01.1976:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/13/39/11/preview/00133911.jpg

again Kohl in the tank, in front of him the expert for defense Manfred Wörner, 11.06.1976:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/13/39/10/preview/00133910.jpg

Recruit of the Panzergrenadiere during his training in Lüneburg, 1988:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/12/11/25/preview/00121125.jpg

The new volunteers for the Bundeswehr in Anderenach, Dec 1955:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/11/34/51/preview/00113451.jpg

Swearing-in ceremony in front of a tank which was delivered by the USA:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/11/34/52/preview/00113452.jpg

The first soldiers of the Bundeswehr in their quarter in Andernach:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/11/33/88/preview/00113388.jpg

Leopard 1, 1979:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/11/02/65/preview/00110265.jpg

Theodor Heuss visits the Bundeswehr during their first battle excercise, autumn 1958:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/08/41/37/preview/00084137.jpg

One of the first draftee in Hemer, 01.04.1957:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/07/97/09/preview/00079709.jpg

Breschnjew in Bonn, 1978:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/07/34/10/preview/00073410.jpg

Starfighter, 1985:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/06/55/55/preview/00065555.jpg

Whole Starfighter team, 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/06/55/54/preview/00065554.jpg

Training version of the Starfighter, 1960:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/06/55/51/preview/00065551.jpg

Strauss with a Starfighter, 22.07.1960:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/05/70/96/preview/00057096.jpg

Man from Nigeria in the Bundeswehr in Ütersen, 1963:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/05/01/49/preview/00050149.jpg

Group of soldiers of the Bundeswehr in Rheine, 22.07.1960:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/02/71/08/preview/00027108.jpg

Again Strauss with a Starfighter:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/02/77/64/preview/00027764.jpg

First tanks of the type M-47 arrive in Andernach:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/02/91/54/preview/00029154.jpg

New uniforms of the Bundeswehr, from left to right:

Tank troop, Air Force, Navy, Navy, Navy, Air Force service dress,

first row:

battle dress, working dress

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/02/41/58/preview/00024158.jpg



Puh, i hope you like them! ;)

Lazarou
08-23-2006, 04:18 PM
NATO winter war games in West Germany, 1961 (video): link (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80919)

Excellent pics, everybody!

snark.si
08-23-2006, 04:20 PM
Thx Do you have any colored picture of battle dress :)

Hiroshima
08-23-2006, 04:24 PM
Wow...it's so surreal, isn't it?

Karo
08-23-2006, 04:27 PM
Some color shots:


BGS-SUmpfmuster (3. Design):

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9429/0007702vr1.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2986/0007703uy7.jpg

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1633/0007704hz5.jpg

toki
08-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Wow...it's so surreal, isn't it?
Surreal, only when you can't remember the cold war. Ok i was a kid when the wall came down, but it is very real in my memory. Especially in summer camps in rural areas we have seen many german and american soldiers. I still think in the category east and west germany for a weird reason. To some extent i will always do. I guess most germans do. I was born in the west and the only thing that seems surreal is how the east must have looked until the 80's compared to now, especially Berlin. The b&w pics make it look surreal, but some pics are 'only' from the 80's.

kk111
08-23-2006, 09:35 PM
http://www.panzerbaer.de/guns/pix/bw_flakpz_m42-012i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_flakpz_m42-013i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_flakpz_m16-001i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/guns/pix/bw_flakpz_m42-010i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_kpz_m47_knierim-002.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_kpz_m47_knierim-006.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_lkw_00-25t_gl_cobra-001.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_mtw_m113_wasser-001.jpg

50´s 60´s

-

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/ftx_gutes_omen_1971-003i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/ftx_gutes_omen_1971-006i.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_mth_ch53g_nordeney_1984-004.jpg

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bw_mth_ch53g_nordeney_1984-003.jpg
70´s 80´s

Lt. KoNAne
08-23-2006, 11:22 PM
nice pics.

apm
08-24-2006, 04:49 AM
Starfighter pilots, 1968:

http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/52/50/11/preview/00525011.jpg


wow that a pilot can control a plane under these conditions...the poor guy looks like his head would gonna blow

CSAR
08-24-2006, 05:09 AM
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/ftx_gutes_omen_1971-003i.jpg

Wow, what is this? Looks like a WW2 Jagdpanzer IV, but with different gun and built on some other chassis. Are they related or am I just seeing things? Did the Bundeswehr use any German WW2 equipment? Many German tanks were used until 60's in many different countries but did the Germans use them themselves too?

Hydro
08-24-2006, 06:01 AM
It's a Jagdpanzer Kanone tank destroyer, armed with a 90mm gun. Post war design, but obviously draws on the WW2 assault guns for insipration.

Karo
08-24-2006, 06:42 AM
Did the Bundeswehr use any German WW2 equipment?



MG42 (MG1), P38 (P1), old steel helmet, "Knobelbecher" (not sure, BGS used them right?)..

Luno
08-24-2006, 06:47 AM
Ohhh that’s a Jupiter truck. My grandpa did have one civilian Jupiter truck :hug: .
I wonder what happen to the Jupiter (Magirus Deutz) Company
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/ftx_gutes_omen_1971-006i.jpg

Karo
08-24-2006, 07:14 AM
IVECO did assume them..:-(

Hiroshima
08-24-2006, 09:28 AM
Surreal, only when you can't remember the cold war. Ok i was a kid when the wall came down, but it is very real in my memory. Especially in summer camps in rural areas we have seen many german and american soldiers. I still think in the category east and west germany for a weird reason. To some extent i will always do. I guess most germans do. I was born in the west and the only thing that seems surreal is how the east must have looked until the 80's compared to now, especially Berlin. The b&w pics make it look surreal, but some pics are 'only' from the 80's.


What I ment was the combination of American equipment and German Equipment... I haven't been to Germany since my family left when my parents were reassigned to Scott AFB, IL, USA. You might be used to seeing the mix, but this is totally new to me....it's still neat though!

sp2c
08-24-2006, 09:59 AM
any pictures of the (Brittish?) Berlin Brigade and their funky camo?

Count Lippe
08-24-2006, 10:28 AM
http://www.ullsteinbild.de/photodatenbank/cache/images/00/76/04/31/preview/00760431.jpg

It's Bad Meinberg ffs!:bash:

RS_Leo1A5
08-25-2006, 08:53 AM
It's a Jagdpanzer Kanone tank destroyer, armed with a 90mm gun. Post war design, but obviously draws on the WW2 assault guns for insipration.
In the early 80s the Kanonenjagdpanzers had the cannons removed and were converted either to artillery observers or rearmed with TOW missiles and designated Jaguar 2 tank destroyers.
(Jaguar 1 were converted SS-11 tank destroyers armed with HOT missiles.)

kk111
08-25-2006, 04:53 PM
http://www.sgi-stuttgart-vaihingen.de/mainhtml/bw_spaehpz_m41-003.jpg
M41

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_gefstdfz_m557a1g-001a.jpg
M577 A1 G

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_spz_kurz_hotchkiss-image007.jpg
Schützenpanzer 11-2 (kurz)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.3ag.jpg
Schützenpanzer HS 30 (lang)

http://www.sgi-stuttgart-vaihingen.de/mainhtml/bw_spz_marder_1a1a-01.jpg
Marder

http://www.webmaster-palace.de/images/panzerpic/PZmuseum0022.jpg
M7 Priest

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_kjpz_90mm-002.jpg
Jagdpanzer Kanone

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_rakjgpz_ss11-010i.jpg
Raketenjagdpanzer 2 SS-11

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_rakjpz_jaguar1_wbg-001.jpg
Raketenjagdpanzer 3 HOT

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_rakjpz_jaguar2-004.jpg
Raketenjagdpanzer 4 TOW

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_spz_kurz_42_1-001.jpg
Schützenpanzer 11-2 (kurz)

He219
10-03-2006, 04:11 PM
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/6.3aog.jpg

Zwei Infanteristen im Manöver, um 1960er Jahre. (Foto: MHM)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.1g.jpg


Infanteristen des Heeres mit Maschinengewehr MG 1 (MG 42) und Sturmgewehr G 1 (FN-Gewehr) im Manöver, Ende der 50er Jahre. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.6g.jpg


"Nun siegt mal schön!" - Bundespräsident Theodor Heuss (Mitte) beim Manöverbesuch, September 1958.
(Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/2.2.1.5(7b)g.jpg


Schützenpanzer des US-Typs M-39 im Manöver, Ende der 50er Jahre. Als Manövergäste Verteidigungsminister Franz Josef Strauß (in Zivil) und der Inspekteur des Heeres, Generalleutnant Hans Roettiger (vor dem Panzer stehend).
(Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/2.2.4.9(7a)g.jpg


Mittelstrecken-Boden-Boden-Rakete und Atomwaffenträger des US-Typs "Pershing I" in Abschussposition, Mitte der 60er Jahre.
(Foto: SKA/IMZBw)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.4g.jpg


Kampfpanzer des US-Typs M-47 auf dem Truppenübungsplatz Bergen-Hohne, 16.9.1961.
(Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.2g.jpg


Übungspanzer der Bundeswehr auf Lkw-Fahrgestell, Ende der 50er Jahre.
(Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.1.1g.jpg


Frisch vom Band - In Anwesenheit des Inspekteurs des Heeres, Generalleutnant Ulrich de Maizère, wird der erste Kampfpanzer "Leopard" am 9.9.1965 an die Truppe übergeben. (Foto: SKA/IMZBw)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.3ag.jpg


Schützenpanzer des Schweizer Typs HS-30 mit Besatzung bei der Ausbildung, um 1960. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/RAKJAGDPZJAGUAR_TOWg.jpg


Raketenjagdpanzer Jaguar 2 mit Lenkwaffensystem "TOW", eingeführt in den 70er Jahren zur Verstärkung der Panzerabwehr des Heeres. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.2.1g.jpg

Flugzeuge der 2. Generation: Mehrzweck-Kampfflugzeuge des US-Typs F-104 G "Starfighter" (hinten) und leichte Erdkampfflugzeuge des Typs Fiat G-91(vorne) im Formationsflug, 60er Jahre.
(Foto: MHM)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.3.3.1g.jpg

Kampfflugzeuge des Typs F-104 G "Starfighter".

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.1.7g.jpg

Das Mehrzweckkampfflugzeug McDonnell Douglas "Phantom" schließt in seiner Einsatzversion RF-4 E ab 1971 die "Aufklärungslücke" der Luftwaffe. (Foto: MHM)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.2.10g.jpg


Panzerabwehrhubschrauber des Typs MBB BO-105, auch als Verbindungs- und Beobachtungshubschrauber seit Mitte der 70er Jahre bei der Bundeswehr im Einsatz. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.1.3.3g.jpg

Reservisten des Heeres beim Überqueren einer Hindernisbahn, um 1980. (Foto: MHM/Böß)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.1.2g.jpg

Schützenpanzer "Marder" und Kampfpanzer "Leopard" - erste deutsche Panzerentwicklungen nach dem Krieg - kommen ab 1971 bzw. 1966 in die Truppe. (Foto: MHM)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.1.3g.jpg


Der "KRAKA" (Kraftkarren) findet als luftverlastbarer Waffenträger oder als Sanitätskarren ab Mitte der 70er bis in die 90er Jahre hinein Verwendung in den Luftlandeverbänden. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.2.8g.jpg


Der "Iltis" prägt als Mehrzweck-Radfahrzeug das Gesicht der Bundeswehr in den 80er Jahren. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.3.10Hg.jpg


Kampfflugzeug landet auf Autobahn. (Foto: BWB/WTS)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/3.2.2.4g.jpg

Die deutsch-französische Gemeinschaftsentwicklung "Alpha Jet", die Ende der 70er Jahre die Fiat G-91 als leichtes Erdkampfflugzeug ablöst. (Foto: MHM)
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/4.1.2.1g.jpg


Truppenbesuch in Stahnsdorf, 11.10.1990 - Der Generalinspekteur der Bundeswehr, Admiral Dieter Wellershoff, besucht eine Liegenschaft der aufgelösten NVA. (Foto: MHM)

http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/4.0g.jpg


Wehrpflichtige aus den neuen Bundesländern, kurz nach der Wiedervereinigung, noch mit der MP AK 74 ausgerüstet. (Foto: bpa/Bundesbildstelle)

YANKEEBOBB
12-21-2006, 06:44 PM
Does anyone have any pics of the west germans using p38 pistols or know where I can find any? I know they used them up until, and even after 1980, but can't find pics with the pistols or even side holsters.

Please no "use the seach button" or "try google" B.S. I did and could not find any, that's why I'm asking.

King_Cobra
12-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Excellent Pics...:)

What do they call their Field cap ? The one with Visor ????

Wamba
12-21-2006, 07:52 PM
Great thread! Excellent pics!!!

Nice to see the different styles of uniform and gear combined in the 50's and 60's.

retrobob
12-21-2006, 09:25 PM
Excellent Pics...:)

What do they call their Field cap ? The one with Visor ????
Feldmutze.

Hellfish
12-21-2006, 09:31 PM
Absolutely fantastic photos - I'd never seen an M7 in German markings before.

PrinzEugen
12-22-2006, 03:14 AM
Great thread, thanks alot!

sp2c
12-22-2006, 03:50 AM
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/U2.2.1.2g.jpg

cool!
I want four :D

snark.si
12-22-2006, 04:39 AM
nice post more woot

seventy6er
12-22-2006, 06:05 AM
Does anyone have any pics of the west germans using p38 pistols or know where I can find any? I know they used them up until, and even after 1980, but can't find pics with the pistols or even side holsters.

Please no "use the seach button" or "try google" B.S. I did and could not find any, that's why I'm asking.


That's cause the pistol is/was called "P1" in Bundeswehr service. Might still be in service, not sure.

Johan M
12-22-2006, 07:13 AM
some units are wearing berets, others the typical German Feldmütze?

RS_Leo1A5
12-23-2006, 05:29 PM
some units are wearing berets, others the typical German Feldmütze?
Originally, only three Bundeswehr units had berets:
Panzertruppe (armor) - black
Fallschirmjäger (airborne infantry) - bordeaux red
Jäger (light infantry) - green

Somewhen in the 70s or 80s the beret was made standard headgear for all army units and a multitude of additional colors was introduced.

kk111
12-31-2006, 10:41 AM
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Jagdtiger
12-31-2006, 04:43 PM
That's cause the pistol is/was called "P1" in Bundeswehr service. Might still be in service, not sure.

it´s been fully replaced by the P8 by now as far as i know the remainst of P1 have been exportet alongside the other DDR arms

YANKEEBOBB
12-31-2006, 06:11 PM
it´s been fully replaced by the P8 by now as far as i know the remainst of P1 have been exportet alongside the other DDR arms

I have a nice WALTHER P38 pistol and it's marked P38 NOT P1. What's got me confused is , IT'S A 1970'S DATED PISTOL and I also thought it should be marked P1. Does anyone know why that is? Was there any differance in the post war German police and military P38 type pistols?

kk111
12-31-2006, 06:15 PM
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JoaMei
12-31-2006, 09:19 PM
I have a nice WALTHER pistol P83 pistol and it's marked p38 NOT P1. What's got me confused is , IT'S A 1970'S DATED PISTOL and I also thought it should be marked P1. Does anyone know why that is? Was there any differance in the post war German police and military P38 type pistols?

Well pretty simple, only the ones for Military were marked "P1".
Like the H&K USP now is marked "P8" for the Military and USP for the civil Market.

Your P38 is most likely from Production for the civil Market, but there should be no other differences in Quality or something.

Jagdtiger
01-01-2007, 09:18 AM
The P1 is not completely identical with the Walther P 38 it´s been slightly modified using light metal instead of steal for the grip which makes it a lot lighter and easier to use

-Max2-
01-01-2007, 09:43 AM
Great thread. :)

kk111
01-01-2007, 10:21 AM
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Eddy_Bee
01-01-2007, 10:58 AM
I found that very interesting actually, in a couple of pics you can see Garands, but also at least one with an M1 carbine

http://shed-o-love.com/images/milphoto/llpikp9/l007.jpg
Garand with some sort of muzzle booster/rifle grenade launcher?


The Sniper conversion of the M1, uses the "bell" type flash hider.. see here http://www.jouster.com/articles30m1/Variations.html

shatner
01-01-2007, 11:00 AM
west german para smock

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/shatner_2006/splinterpara.jpg



http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/shatner_2006/splinterpara2.jpg

YANKEEBOBB
01-01-2007, 07:52 PM
Well pretty simple, only the ones for Military were marked "P1".
Like the H&K USP now is marked "P8" for the Military and USP for the civil Market.

Your P38 is most likely from Production for the civil Market, but there should be no other differences in Quality or something.
Cool, thanks!

Karo
01-07-2007, 12:08 AM
Nice Song. p-)

Ubar
01-14-2007, 10:39 AM
great video :D

Heinzi
01-14-2007, 11:09 AM
Great video und super Lied :)

YANKEEBOBB
01-21-2007, 02:07 PM
Here's a few of my friends photos he let me scan from back when he was stationed in West Germany. I'll post a few more soon.


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8018/10028wc.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8211/10017im.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3715/10034cl.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7144/10051xa.jpg

Ubar
03-04-2007, 10:02 AM
cool video... but why are they wearing Kepis and carrying FAMASs at the end?

Jabroni
04-17-2007, 07:51 PM
Nice thread!

Always liked the german stuff, Glad to see the early bundeswehr stuff!.

weka
06-04-2008, 07:36 AM
That's cause the pistol is/was called "P1" in Bundeswehr service. Might still be in service, not sure.

I have a flecktarn P1 holster to attach to the last webbing layout.

weka
04-10-2009, 04:53 AM
http://50jahrebw.bundeswehr.de/mgfa/mgfa/4.0gdotjpg

Were rain pattern/ strichtarn mag pouches used?

Purely Defensive
04-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Were rain pattern/ strichtarn mag pouches used?

This Image is from the transitional period of the NVA into the Bundeswehr.

They used NVA Equipment with the Weapon Systems... there are Images of Fallschirmjäger in Bund Uniform but with NVA Assault Vests and NVA Weapon Systems/ Vehicles.

:)

kk111
06-17-2009, 11:28 AM
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/92/50sfallisva6dotjpg
Fallschirmjäger 1950s

YANKEEBOBB
10-28-2009, 01:30 AM
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3198/bgsca1963dotjpg

CABAL
11-17-2009, 05:38 PM
Pics I've dug in Bundesarchiv and Wikipedia.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6461/107gdotjpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8801/108vodotjpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8227/109sdotjpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5269/110xhdotjpg

tluassa
11-17-2009, 07:02 PM
Newsreel about the "new German Wehrmacht" :)

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=40106


Autumn Manoevers of the German Army, dated 1957:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=61916

Theodor Heuss (former German Federal-President) inspecting the troops (you also see General Heusinger) :

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=67111


Field Parade for Adenauer

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=43719


State burial of Chancellor Adenauer, 1963:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=44683

second clip, lying in in his home village

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=83223

German Army in Nato Parade 1962

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=35706

T.S.C.Plage
11-17-2009, 07:38 PM
Some more about the used BDUs.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5074/bwtarn01dotjpg


From left to right: Flecktarn (old), Filzlaus, Moleskin and Flecktarn (modern). Missing here is the so called "Splittertarn" which was used between the first two uniforms. Besides that there where diffrent types (cuts) of the Moleskin uniform.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4598/bwtarn02dotjpg


Various uniforms of the '50s. Here you can see the coloration of the old Flecktarn camo (greetings to our Swiss comrades).

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8519/bwtarn03dotjpg


Splittertarn

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2599/bwtarn04dotjpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7696/bwtarn05dotjpg


Note that it seems like there were a couple of versions of Splittertarn. This version has a "ein Strich, kein Strich" (one *****e, none *****e) pattern applied. I don't know if this version was ever issued.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3843/bwtarn06dotjpg


Another shot of some tankers in Splittertarn - 1957.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3218/bwtarn07dotjpg

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3589/bwtarn08dotjpg


Splittertarn worn by members of Luftwaffenflugabwehrbataillon 42 (Air Force AA Bat. 42) - 1958.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3296/bwtarn09dotjpg


First trials with the modern version of Flecktarn. Here simply printed on to the Moleskin uniform. Also note the Amöbentarn helmet cover - 1973.

The "Amöbentarn" pattern was already used together with the Splittertarn in the early days as you can see on the following photo already provided in the first post of this thread (check the backpack).

http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16tdotjpg (http://shed-o-love.com/images/Bookscans/west/Image16dotjpg)

------------

Btw, awesome pics CABAL. Thanks for posting them!

T.S.C.Plage
11-17-2009, 08:07 PM
@ CABAL: You also have some non-German photos in your post.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7338/331ddotjpg

^That's a KAT2 MAN truck of the US Army. The KAT2 were specially build for the US Army Pershing units and were never used by the Bundeswehr (only KAT1). Later some KAT2 were used as transporter for the Iraqi Roland SAM system.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1857/380cdotjpg

^That's a DKW Munga but not a German one as you can get from the color of the license plate. Maybe Dutch?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7926/381bdotjpg

^At least the vehicle is not German (license plate).

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9425/382kdotjpg

^This type of truck was never used in the BW. Maybe it was evaluated but not chosen.

CABAL
11-17-2009, 08:16 PM
Maybe. I'm not a specialist in Bundeswehr. I'm more interested in NVA and other Warsaw Pact countries.

The last truck is Mercedes-Benz 2628A, 6x6, 1979

T.S.C.Plage
11-17-2009, 09:30 PM
Not just maybe, CABAL. Anyways, I just wanted to point it out...no beef. ;)

stifttagon
11-17-2009, 11:11 PM
@ CABAL: You also have some non-German photos in your post.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7926/381bdotjpg

^At least the vehicle is not German (license plate).


It is indeed a german car, and also in german use.
It´s a (Gruppenkraftwagen Hanomag L 28 G)

These license plates were used from 1948-1956 in west germany.
"BR" means "Nordrhein Westfalen" (North Rhine-Westphalia)


for example:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9374/br402526dotjpg

BR = British Zone Rheinland (Nordrhein-Westfalen), 40 = County / Stadtkreis Hamm / Westfalia


http://www.hegis.de/frg3.htm


Maybe this pic shows a unit of the "Bereitschaftspolizei" (Some kind of riot police)



i´m such a smartass p-)

Dave76
11-18-2009, 05:19 AM
Gebirgsjäger, 1959:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/238/gebirgsjger195901dotjpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/750/gebirgsjger195902dotjpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1805/gebirgsjger195903dotjpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3829/gebirgsjger195904dotjpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5338/gebirgsjger195905dotjpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8099/gebirgsjger195906dotjpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8324/gebirgsjger195907dotjpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5693/gebirgsjger1959dotjpg

saturnin
11-18-2009, 05:38 AM
Great post CABAL

Connaught Ranger
11-18-2009, 06:07 AM
Gebirgsjäger, 1959:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8099/gebirgsjger195906dotjpg


For some reason his weapon is missing the top cover, leaving the mechanism exposed to the elements.

Connaught Ranger.

T.S.C.Plage
11-18-2009, 11:57 AM
It is indeed a german car, and also in german use.
It´s a (Gruppenkraftwagen Hanomag L 28 G)

...


I stand corrected...you smart ass. ;)

YANKEEBOBB
11-18-2009, 06:45 PM
Gebirgsjäger, 1959:



Awesome find man!! Thanks as always for the killer pics Dave76!!

YANKEEBOBB
11-18-2009, 06:49 PM
Hey, btw... Does anyone out there know where I can find pics that describe West German shoulder board rank or a chart of some sort with info?? I've searched and can't find squat!! Specifically the green BGS rank.

-Max2-
11-18-2009, 06:54 PM
Fascinating thread. :)

forty-two
11-18-2009, 11:28 PM
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8048/215ludotjpg

Please note the pink emblem on the Leo 2 turrets. It looks very suspiciously like the emblem of the 11th Armored Division of the Wehrmacht.

I'm a bit surprised to see it on Bundeswehr tanks because officially the Bundeswehr doesn't see the Wehrmacht as it's predecessor, no? :)


11th Armored Division

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/p/panzer-pzdiv11dotjpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/p/pzdiv-11-panzer4-yudotjpg

You can see the emblem on these tanks.

He219
11-19-2009, 12:51 AM
Please note the pink emblem on the Leo 2 turrets. It looks very suspiciously like the emblem of the 11th Armored Division of the Wehrmacht.

I'm a bit surprised to see it on Bundeswehr tanks because officially the Bundeswehr doesn't see the Wehrmacht as it's predecessor, no? :)
.
Good eye.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9085/bundesarchivb145bildf07dotjpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9085/bundesarchivb145bildf07dotjpg

Mitarbeiter des Bundespresseamtes beobachten das Herbstmanöver "Fränkischer Schild" der Bundeswehr- mit Beteiligung zahlreicher Soldaten aus NATO-Mitgliedsstaaten sowie eines französichen Großverbandes - im Raum Würzburg. 23 September 1986Those Leo 2A4 (5th batch) were with 3.Kompanie/Panzerbataillon 64, restructured command of Military District Command MDC IV, 5th Panzerdivision, Schwarzenborn, commanded by 2nd German-US Corps based in Ulm as part of the Main Defense Forces. The unit adopted an emblem applied in pink showing a ghost brandishing a sword and standing on speeding tracks.

In WWII the 7th Panzer-Division led by Erwin Rommel was later nicknamed ‘Gespenster-Division’ (“Ghost/Phantom Division”) during the Battle of France due to it’s speed and surprise it was consistently able to achieve. Sometimes the German High Command even lost track of where it was. Officially though, the 11th Panzer-Division had the right to call themselves ‘Gespenster-Division’. Their vehicles were marked by a Gespenstersymbol.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4676/320px11thpanzerdivisiondotpng Source (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=1314488)

He219
11-19-2009, 01:25 AM
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6550/bundesarchivbild1831990dotjpg

ADN-Friedrich Gahlbeck-2.10.90 Leipzig: Vereinigung.
Fahnen von zwei Bataillonen der Diensteinheit Alaunwerk in Bad Düben wurden bei einem Appell am Vorabend der Übernahme durch die Bundeswehr eingerollt. Ihr zukünftiger Platz wird im Militärhistorischen Museum in Dresden sein.http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6550/bundesarchivbild1831990dotjpg

BER-18 / 20.9.90 Bad Salzungen: Neue Uniformen "Made by Bundeswehr" (r.) erhielten die Soldaten in der Mot.-Schützenkaserne Bad Salzungen. Vorerst aber muß die 24teilige Ausrüstung der NVA noch im Schrank bleiben. Die neue Uniform darf erst ab 3.10. getragen werden.http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4481/435pxbundesarchivbild18dotjpg

Bad Salzungen: Eine komplett neue Uniform Made by Bundeswehr erhielten die Soldaten in der Mot.-Schützenkaserne Bad Salzungen. Vorerst aber muß die 24teilige Ausrüstung der NVA noch im Schrank bleiben. Die neue Uniform darf erst ab 3.10. getragen werden. ADN-Ralf Hirschbergerhttp://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2655/bundesarchivbild1831990jdotjpg

ADN-Thomas Uhlemann-3.10.90 Strausberg: Streitkräfte
Auf einer festlichen Veranstaltung am Tag der Deutschen Einheit übernahm Bundesverteidigungsminister Dr. Gerhard Stoltenberg (M) vom früheren DDR-Minister für Abrüstung und Verteidigung, Rainer Eppelmann (l), die Befehlsgewalt über die Streitkräfte des beigetretenen Landesteils. Rechts der Befehlshaber des Bundeswehrkommandos Ost, Generalleutnant Jörg Schönbohm. http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2017/bundesarchivbild1831990gdotjpg

ADN-Friedrich Gahlbeck-4.10.90 Leipzig: Befehlsübernahme
Nach der offiziellen militärischen Übergabe des neuen Bundeswehrkommandos VII führten Jörg Schönbohm, Befehlshaber des Bundeswehrkommandos Ost, und Ekkardt Richter (M), Kommandeur des Wehrbereichskommandos VIIl, Gespräche mit Soldaten und Offizieren. V.r. Hauptmann Dietmar Pommerenke und Hauptmann Ingo Kaminsky. http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6550/bundesarchivbild1831990dotjpg

ADN-Bernd Settnik-4.10.90 Brandenburg: Einen Tag nach der deutschen Wiedervereinigung fand in Strausberg bei Berlin der erste Appell des Bundeswehrkommandos Ost statt. Befehlshaber hier ist jetzt Generalleutnant Jörg Schönbohm (r).
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6550/bundesarchivbild1831990dotjpg

ADN-Friedrich Gahlbeck-4.10.90 Leipzig: Befehlsübernahme.Einen Tag nach der deutschen Wiedervereinigung übernahm Generalleutnant Jörg Schönbohm, Befehlshaber des Bundeswehrkommandos Ost, das Wehrbereichskommando VII der Bundeswehr, vormals Wehrbezirk III der Nationalen Volksarmee.

546
11-19-2009, 04:09 AM
Great thread :)

YANKEEBOBB
11-19-2009, 09:10 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1510/ulrichwegener2dotjpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/940/gsg9ulrichwegenerdotjpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/787/ulrichwegener5dotjpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5589/ulrichwegener3dotjpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4585/ulrichwegener4dotjpg

Connaught Ranger
11-19-2009, 09:13 AM
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1510/ulrichwegener2dotjpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/940/gsg9ulrichwegenerdotjpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/787/ulrichwegener5dotjpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5589/ulrichwegener3dotjpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4585/ulrichwegener4dotjpg

All above are German Border Police connected.

Connaught Ranger.:)

YANKEEBOBB
11-19-2009, 09:42 AM
All above are German Border Police connected.

Connaught Ranger.:)

Hey CR... Yeah that's Ulrich Wegener founding member of GSG 9.

I wasn't sure if I should post them here but the title is just West Germany 50-90, so I guess they fit in.

Connaught Ranger
11-19-2009, 09:49 AM
Hey CR... Yeah that's Ulrich Wegener founding member of GSG 9.

I wasn't sure if I should post them here but the title is just West Germany 50-90, so I guess they fit in.

No problems amigo, my comment was posted so people realise what they are looking at, and do not mistake them for West German Military.:hug:

YANKEEBOBB
11-19-2009, 10:08 AM
No problems amigo, my comment was posted so people realise what they are looking at, and do not mistake them for West German Military.:hug:

I know you were and thanks! :) I shoulda put that info in with the pics originally.

T.S.C.Plage
11-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Hey, btw... Does anyone out there know where I can find pics that describe West German shoulder board rank or a chart of some sort with info?? I've searched and can't find squat!! Specifically the green BGS rank.

Bundeswehr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army_rank_insignia)

Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS) (http://www.beim-bgs-fulda-1964-65.de/2__GSG3/Dienstgrade/dienstgrade.html)

In 2005 the BGS was renamed Bundespolizei (BPOL) and got new rank insignias which were taken over from the "regular" Police.

Bundespolizei (BPOL) (http://www.congia.de/aermelabzeichen/deutschland/bundespolizei/dienstgrade/dienstgrade.html)

YANKEEBOBB
11-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Bundeswehr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army_rank_insignia)

Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS) (http://www.beim-bgs-fulda-1964-65.de/2__GSG3/Dienstgrade/dienstgrade.html)

In 2005 the BGS was renamed Bundespolizei (BPOL) and got new rank insignias which were taken over from the "regular" Police.

Bundespolzei (BPOL) (http://www.congia.de/aermelabzeichen/deutschland/bundespolizei/dienstgrade/dienstgrade.html)

Hey thanks man!! I don't know how I missed them, but that's exactly what i was looking for. Much appreciated!

tluassa
11-19-2009, 01:39 PM
They also lost their "combattant" status after the cold War (I think it was 1994) until then the BGS was in theory quite close to the military like a gendamerie or border troops.

forty-two
11-19-2009, 02:44 PM
Those Leo 2A4 (5th batch) were with 3.Kompanie/Panzerbataillon 64, restructured command of Military District Command MDC IV, 5th Panzerdivision, Schwarzenborn, commanded by 2nd German-US Corps based in Ulm as part of the Main Defense Forces. The unit adopted an emblem applied in pink showing a ghost brandishing a sword and standing on speeding tracks.

In WWII the 7th Panzer-Division led by Erwin Rommel was later nicknamed ‘Gespenster-Division’ (“Ghost/Phantom Division”) during the Battle of France due to it’s speed and surprise it was consistently able to achieve. Sometimes the German High Command even lost track of where it was. Officially though, the 11th Panzer-Division had the right to call themselves ‘Gespenster-Division’. Their vehicles were marked by a Gespenstersymbol.



Thanks for the info He219. :)

I recognised the emblem having seen it in a book about tanks in WW2.

stifttagon
11-19-2009, 02:51 PM
More Pics:

All pics were made by Josef Malinowski , member of the 5.PzGrenBtl82, during his service in the mid-80´s.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4720/0018kdotjpg http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9830/46126958dotjpg http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/45/0004tadotjpg http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3889/35579614dotjpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9123/38516023dotjpg http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2355/0008rdotjpg http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6193/0009izdotjpg http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8898/0012zgdotjpg http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5026/0013idotjpg http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5615/0015fhdotjpg http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2232/0016ddotjpg http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2917/80119790dotjpg http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2953/0221dotjpg http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1671/josefmalinowskidotjpg http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/5115/24576455dotjpg http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6736/41858417dotjpg

JCR
11-19-2009, 02:53 PM
The "tradition debate" is a child of the 1990s.
During cold war days it was pretty commonplace for Bundeswehr units to adopt a Wehrmacht or Imperial or even older tradition.
Most of this was purged during the 1990s and 2000s, with some notable exceptions in the Luftwaffe....

Macs.
11-19-2009, 02:58 PM
Japanese documentary on the GSG9 in the 80s:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN-GIfvgHqA

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fkKrAuBKO0&feature=related

tluassa
11-19-2009, 03:15 PM
"Japanese documentary on the GSG9 in the 80s:"

I said it before and I say it again: long live the internet !

stifttagon
11-19-2009, 03:36 PM
The "tradition debate" is a child of the 1990s.
During cold war days it was pretty commonplace for Bundeswehr units to adopt a Wehrmacht or Imperial or even older tradition.
Most of this was purged during the 1990s and 2000s, with some notable exceptions in the Luftwaffe....



except the JG 74 (formerly known as JG 74 Mölders)
i´m still angry....:bash:

to 2005

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3134/modernjg74dotjpg


from 2005

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/277/verbandswappenjg74640x4dotjpg

JCR
11-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Me too, but there are still a lot of Luftwaffe units with WW2 traditions, especially at Staffel level.
The second Squadron of JG 74 has the crest and tradition of NJG 2 (the Falcon of Wolfgang Falck) and one of the squadrons of JG 73 carries on the "Pik As" insignia of JG 53. They even pained it on a Eurofighter recently.

Dave76
11-21-2009, 08:29 AM
Hammelburg 1959:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6443/hammelburg195901dotjpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6060/hammelburg195902dotjpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5294/hammelburg195903dotjpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7774/hammelburg195904dotjpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7590/hammelburg195905dotjpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2073/hammelburg195906dotjpg

Dave76
11-21-2009, 08:44 AM
5. Panzerdivision, 1960:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8041/5panzerdivision196001dotjpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4972/5panzerdivision196002dotjpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5297/5panzerdivision196003dotjpg

lwp
11-21-2009, 05:26 PM
I wonder how looks W.German bayonet for G3?
and how connect personal soldiers gear all together (belt with braces,ammo pouches and shovel)

kk111
11-21-2009, 06:21 PM
http://s2.directupload.net/images/091121/zjonicvpdotjpg
12.11.1955

http://s3.directupload.net/images/091121/iu4wvsxhdotjpg
Defense Minister Franz Josef Strauß during a Bundeswehr Maneuver in Lüneburg Heath (September 1958)

http://s7.directupload.net/images/091121/77f37tvwdotjpg
Paratrooper 1950s

http://s6.directupload.net/images/091121/oksobwpkdotjpg
1958

JCR
11-22-2009, 09:38 AM
I wonder how looks W.German bayonet for G3?
and how connect personal soldiers gear all together (belt with braces,ammo pouches and shovel)

Maybe there is a bayonet for the G3, but it wasn't issued.
The Bundeswehr AFAIK never used bayonets at all.

Frank the soldier
11-22-2009, 10:28 AM
Excellent Pics.......woow !!! Thanks for posting.

A Mercedes-Benz NG80 Type with 3 Axle never used in the Bundeswehr,
But a modern variants.....with lamps in the Projection-Versions. I like these history Pictures.

Frank the soldier
11-22-2009, 10:29 AM
5. Panzerdivision, 1960:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8041/5panzerdivision196001dotjpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4972/5panzerdivision196002dotjpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5297/5panzerdivision196003dotjpg

Hey , the first Pic is from my unit in the Fritsch-Kaserne , Germany.............nice....very nice......

Bleifuss
11-23-2009, 04:38 AM
Maybe there is a bayonet for the G3, but it wasn't issued.
The Bundeswehr AFAIK never used bayonets at all.

I've been told they exist or existed but were only going to be distributed in case of war.
The 2 reasons given were:
1.It would look to agressive
2.To limit injuries/accident (most likely explanation).

JCR
11-23-2009, 06:10 AM
From what I've read it simply was WW2 experience that bayonets were regarded as useless.
In WW2, close combat was with shooting weapons or with shovels and knives.

graveworm
11-23-2009, 10:09 AM
German foldable shovels ("Klappspaten") are razorblade sharp and can be used as weapon more effectively than bayonets. Bayonets were never used or issued but there are some. They are compareable to the US bayonets from the vietnam war era.

lwp
11-24-2009, 03:44 PM
thanks for informations,I've found bayonet for Norwegian clone of G3 (AG3) probably German one looks similar.

tluassa
11-24-2009, 04:40 PM
I think the Kampfmesser (alt) was introduced somewhere in the 60´s, but something was probably also used in the times from 1955 ~ 1960.

393Bird
11-28-2009, 09:49 AM
With all the excellent pictures collections here, maybe someone can help me locate some pictures of Waldau Kaserne, near Kassel, from the 1950-60s? It was a aircraft factory before and during the War called the Kassel Fieseler Werk II, and called Waldau Kaserne when the US started using it shortly after the war.

I am working on a web page about the Rothwesten and Waldau Kaserne's, and pictures of Waldau are hard to find. Here is what I have so far. If you have any pictures or information to add to it, please post it up.


http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/kasselpics.htm

(http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/kasselpics.htm)

tluassa
11-28-2009, 12:16 PM
With all the excellent pictures collections here, maybe someone can help me locate some pictures of Waldau Kaserne, near Kassel, from the 1950-60s? It was a aircraft factory before and during the War called the Kassel Fieseler Werk II, and called Waldau Kaserne when the US started using it shortly after the war.

I am working on a web page about the Rothwesten and Waldau Kaserne's, and pictures of Waldau are hard to find. Here is what I have so far. If you have any pictures or information to add to it, please post it up.


http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/kasselpics.htm

(http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/kasselpics.htm)

Nice pictures, thx for the efford. Have you tried to contact your local archive yet ?

If not, the state archive in Marburg could have something they have stuff from all over Hessen.

393Bird
11-29-2009, 12:32 PM
Thanks. I did go through Marburg, and they sent me a couple of clips from a news paper. I have not found anyone to translate it yet.

http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/kassel%20paper.htm

Bruce



Nice pictures, thx for the efford. Have you tried to contact your local archive yet ?

If not, the state archive in Marburg could have something they have stuff from all over Hessen.

CABAL
12-02-2009, 12:28 PM
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hopeinen
12-07-2009, 11:49 AM
whats the tank in the last 2 pics?

CABAL
12-22-2009, 10:28 AM
whats the tank in the last 2 pics?

MBT-70. It was later developed into M1 Abrams and Leopard 2

CABAL
12-22-2009, 10:30 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 10:31 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 10:32 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 10:32 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:10 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:11 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:12 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:13 AM
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muck
12-22-2009, 11:13 AM
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6236/74212321dotjpg
That's actually a very current picture of the active German Army Commander Lt.Gen. H.O. Budde.

That said, I love your contribution to this thread. Keep up the good work!

CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:14 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:15 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:17 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 11:18 AM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:05 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:07 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:07 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:08 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:11 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:13 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:14 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:15 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:16 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:17 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:17 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:18 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:19 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:20 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:21 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:22 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:22 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:23 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:24 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:25 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:26 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:27 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:27 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:28 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:29 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:30 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:31 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:31 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:32 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:32 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:33 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:34 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:35 PM
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forty-two
12-22-2009, 12:35 PM
Werner Freiherr von Beschwitz / Major (WW2), Colonel (BW)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3544/beschwitzvonforodotjpg


Herbert Kaminski / Lt. Colonel (WW2), Major (BW)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/817/kaminskiherbertzg76jeredotjpg


Carl-Heinz Greve / Major (WW2), Lt. General (BW)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5430/grevekarlheinzforodotjpg


Jürgen Gauss / Captain (WW2), Colonel (BW)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7153/gaussjrgenforodotjpg


Dr. Ernst Ebeling / Captain (WW2), ? (BW)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8962/ebelingernstforodotjpg


Werner Ebeling / Colonel (WW2), Major General (BW)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6827/ebelingwernerobstrkekdrdotjpg


Hellmut Kerutt / Major (WW2), Colonel (BW)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6141/kerutthelmutforodotjpg

CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:35 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:36 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:37 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:37 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 12:39 PM
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forty-two
12-22-2009, 12:52 PM
Klemens Behler / SS-1st Lieutenant (WW2), Lt. Colonel (BW)

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7483/behlerklemensforodotjpg


Ludwig Bauer / 2nd Lieutenant (WW2), Lt. Colonel (BW)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1074/bauerludwigforodotjpg


Wilhelm Anhalt

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3182/anhaltwilhelmforodotjpg


Rudolf Witzig / Major (WW2), Colonel (BW)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8843/witzigrudolfforodotjpg


Günther Bahr

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6365/bahrgntherforodotjpg


Karl Herzog / Colonel (WW2), Major General (BW)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3029/herzogkarlforodotjpg


Wolfram Kertz / Major (WW2), Colonel (BW)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7696/kertzwolframdotjpg


Friedrich-August Freiherr von der Heydte / Lt. Colonel (WW2), Brigadier General (BW)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6872/heydtefriedrichaugustfrdotjpg


Friedrich Anding / 2nd Lieutenant (WW2), Captain (BW)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7494/andingfriedrichforodotjpg

JCR
12-22-2009, 01:03 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8843/witzigrudolfforodotjpg

Isn't that the guy from Eben Emael?

Re the Doctor with the unknown rank, it is Oberstabsarzt (Surgeon of Major's rank)

forty-two
12-22-2009, 01:11 PM
Isn't that the guy from Eben Emael?


Possible. Honestly, I don't even know half of the men in the pictures. ;-)

zulu261
12-22-2009, 01:16 PM
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1074/bauerludwigforodotjpg
Ludwig Bauer / 2nd Lieutenant (WW2), 1st Lieutenant (BW)


On that picture, he's a LtCol with the BW.

forty-two
12-22-2009, 01:21 PM
On that picture, he's a LtCol with the BW.

Yes, I already corrected another mistake somewhere else. I must've read "Oberleutnant" instead of "Oberstleutnant" on the page that i got them from. Sorry.

CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:50 PM
BW Aircraft

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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:50 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:52 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:52 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:53 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:54 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:54 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:55 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:55 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:56 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:57 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:58 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:58 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:59 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 02:59 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:00 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:01 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:01 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:02 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:02 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:03 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:04 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:04 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:05 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:07 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:08 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:08 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:09 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:10 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:10 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:11 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:11 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:12 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:13 PM
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CABAL
12-22-2009, 03:13 PM
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