(UK)Boy who raped four girls detained

[Geezah]

A 15-year-old boy who admitted raping four primary school girls has been sentenced to four years in a young offenders institution.

The teenager, who admitted the attacks, was ordered by Manchester Crown Court to spend another five years on license after serving his custodial sentence.

He pleaded guilty to four counts of rape against a seven-year-old, two eight-year-olds and a 10-year-old.

The offences happened near swings in Mandley Park, Salford, in July 2005.

Game of dare

The court heard how the boy approached the girls as they played tag in a secluded area of the park.

He suggested they play a game of dare with him.

The boy, who was 14 at the time of the attack, was arrested the following day.

The judge refused to lift reporting restrictions to allow the media to name the youth.

Manchester Crown Court heard how one of the youngsters was ignored by passers-by as she cried for help.

One girl described how he threatened to kill her if she failed to agree to his demands.

Another recounted how he said he would "leather them" if they tried to run away.

The teenager denied a further four *** offences, alleged to have happened in January, but they were ordered to lie on file.


Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4837210.stm)


4yrs, WTF, so when he's 19 he gets out..........

[BlackRain]

IMHO 15 years is old enough to know better and be treated as an adult.

[NewsMan]

IMHO 15 years is old enough to know better and be treated as an adult.
Then make legal adult age 15 for everything.

[ed316]

This kid is going to be the classic reoffender. I see many more victims in the future.

[Geezah]

IMHO 15 years is old enough to know better and be treated as an adult.

Then make legal adult age 15 for everything.

They could have locked him up at Her Majesty's Pleasure, 4yrs is a joke.

[bluffcove]

I was of the opinion that all prisoners were held at her majesties pleasure.

which begs the question what would happen if a member of the royal family were convicted of a crime, and were effectively grounded by there mum!

[Geezah]

I was of the opinion that all prisoners were held at her majesties pleasure.



As I understood it, being held specifically at Her Majesty's Pleasure meant their was no specific date as to how long you would be detained.
I thought this was the case for the Moors Murderers and Mary Bell?

Mary Bell is out now but it was down to the homeofice to decide when you would be let out?

[Laworkerbee]

This kid is going to be the classic reoffender. I see many more victims in the future.

X2.........

[California Joe]

I see no good coming from this. Lots of psych damage to the victims, nearly guaranteed recidivism by the offender, families damaged.

[CMNot]

As I understood it, being held specifically at Her Majesty's Pleasure meant their was no specific date as to how long you would be detained.

Specifically this is right, although the Home Secretary can also decide when a prisoner is released.

Why the Home Secretary holds this power and the Prime Minister doesn't, even though the HS is appointed by the PM, is another ludicrous question altogether...

[joe mama]

4 years. 4 fcuking years. The ONLY good thing about that sentence is that it's not too long for the families of these girls to wait to find this piece of sh!t on the street and give him the justice he deserves, since the state sure as hell isn't doing it.

[G-Capo]

The British should borrow the Guillotine from the French.

Coward this boy is.

[Geezah]

if hes anyting like the boys who killed james bulger he'll get a new identity and protective custdy for life (payed for out of my hard earned)

I thought the Sun had tracked one of the boys down, didn't he join the army?

[Geezah]

Specifically this is right, although the Home Secretary can also decide when a prisoner is released.

Why the Home Secretary holds this power and the Prime Minister doesn't, even though the HS is appointed by the PM, is another ludicrous question altogether...

That's what I meant the Home Secretary not so much the Home Office.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Geezah]

4 years. 4 fcuking years. The ONLY good thing about that sentence is that it's not too long for the families of these girls to wait to find this piece of sh!t on the street and give him the justice he deserves, since the state sure as hell isn't doing it.

I know I would be arranging an accident for the little fuctard, the UK needs to do somethign about these type of young offenders, you cannot rehab scum like this.

[Mastermind]

Seems we need a re-think on the torture issue.

[Belrick]

Then how would you be any better than the rapist? And if you are no better than the rapist then why care that others are also torturing and killing?

To me an repeat offender is simply saying that they don't want to be a member of the community. Why not grant there wish?

[joe mama]

Then how would you be any better than the rapist? And if you are no better than the rapist then why care that others are also torturing and killing?

To me an repeat offender is simply saying that they don't want to be a member of the community. Why not grant there wish?

On your second part: What do you suggest? Death penalty? Life in prison?

On the first part: if, for example, the families of one of these girls got to him and killed him, then this is how they're better than the rapist: he asked for it by raping those girls. Or if the state exectued him, again, he started it. I have no problem with NOT equating the state executing someone with a murderer (for example) killing someone. The murderer's victim didn't do something to the murderer to deserve to be killed. The murderer, however, did (assume the system has worked and he's truly guilty) do something that deserves punishment.

[SubZero]

Dirty ****$
cut off their privates imo

[Blarney]

Whoa....could have used this on the debate topic this year for the national Circuit....too bad we're done. We had one that said juveniles charged with violent crimes be tried as adults, and this would really have turned some heads. I agree with it and kids at 14 should be tried on the adult court.

[Mastermind]

Years aago, in my Criminal Justice classes, we had a class on "The Psychosis of Criminal and Deviant Behavior"...short title: "Why criminals do what they do"...all the BS psycho-babble aside, it comes to the conclusion, we really are all capable of any kind of criminal behavior. But, we CHOOSE not to do such things. For example, every one in this forum have stolen something at one time or another....the difference between you and the felon thief doing time is just a matter of degree not morality. So it is the same with *** offenders....we all enjoy ***, but we have tempered our *** desires with reasonable restraint...*** deviants just don't have the sense of restraint others do and sieze on opportunities others would simply reject as offensive or illegal. In the heat of the moment, their mental wiring is such they can not restrain themselves.
Sadly, children do not have completely wired brains and are thus more apt to perform deviant acts than adults with more complete mental systems.

I'm not excusing this kid. He most certainly needs and deserves any punishment appropriate. But, we sure need to understand what was going on in that juvinile head when he did these abhorrent acts.