A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

[Clay]

http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:35:53 EST
From: FLOYD RUDMIN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada


A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

Submitted by F.W. Rudmin
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario Canada

Email: rudminf@qucdn.queensu.ca
FAX: (613) 545-6611

The following is a full-text reproduction of the 1935
plan for a US invasion of Canada prepared at the US Army
War College, G-2 intelligence division, and submitted on
December 18, 1935. This is the most recent declassified
invasion plan available from the US archival sources.
Centered pagination is that of the original document. The
spelling and punctuation of the original document are
reproduced as in the original document, even when in error
by present-day norms.

[HELEX]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

[martinexsquaddie]

apart from something for the military to do
WTF would be gained by that
rembering canada was still part of the british empire back then and the royal navy was'nt exactly short of ships back then

[Lone Predator]

The Canadian government was developed plans for invading strategic parts of the N.E. states back in the 20s after we had our own sizable military following WW1... the plans were destroyed shortly after their proposal or whatever. It's no suprise both side didn't think about it. The reason the war of 1812 wasn't exactly a success is because the US at the time didn't have the strength to invade Canada.

plans are nothing, actions are another...

[stuntman]

I am not insulted by this comment
The reason the war of 1812 wasn't exactly a success but what exactly does that mean? Last time I checked we were attacked and we won that war decisively! If you mean the campain to gain territory in southern Canada that was a failure, then I apologize. But yeah maybe it was just incase Canada became totalitarian or communist or some oppresive society???
Who knows!

[Flagg]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

Well if that's the case...I say screw the 1935 plans....I want to see the 2004 Plan....particularly the part involving the capture of Canadian Strategic Beer Production Facilities...

cause god knows invadin' Canada wouldn't be 'bout no oil......it would be 'bout important stuff...like beer.

[EvanL]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

Well if that's the case...I say screw the 1935 plans....I want to see the 2004 Plan....particularly the part involving the capture of Canadian Strategic Beer Production Facilities...

cause god knows invadin' Canada wouldn't be 'bout no oil......it would be 'bout important stuff...like beer.
there are more people standing ready to guard the breweries in Canada, than in the whole military of the United States!. haha

[DANJANOU]

The plans are real. I remember coming across something similar a few years back. I also found the Canadian Army's defence plans to repel said invasion. Parts of it are covered in the book Canadian Brass which is about the development of a professional staff corps in the Canadian Military. Interesting pictures of Canadian staff officers in civillian clothes doing recces on possible invasion routes in upstate NY.

As someone already noted, most if not all military organizations have plans such as this for almost any conceivable threat or perceived threat which are updated on a regular basis.

Actually up until 1939 thr Government of Canada considered the most serious threat to the nation to be a full scale invasion/annexation from the USA, hence their own series of plans to try and counter or at least delay this.

Contrary to what was noted, Canada was an independant nation and had it's own distinctforeign policy by this time (gained some 10 years earlier). That said we still would have relied heavily on the British for aid as the US plan notes.

Of the aircraft listed as belonging to the RCAF, most would have been obsolete types. The figures for the Militia are also optomistic. While the numbers were there, it was mostly a paper organization with insufficient stocks of rifles, uniforms etc to outfit the numbers noted as was quickly discovered in September 1939.

The regular army at the time consisted of 3 infantry bns, an armoured regiment with only a few obsolete WWI vintage tanks and armoured cars and an artillery regiment, plus various logistics units.

Mind the peacetime US military at the time really wasn't that large or formidable either.

Still an interesting read.

[Skaman]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.

And with the war of 1812-American forces invaded Canada and were forced out by a thorough defence. White House Burned down, York Burned down.

Canadian people, seperate from the British empire, were a unique homogenous people which defeated the USA with help from garrisoned British forces and native contingents.

[DANJANOU]

Duci

While I admire that Maple Leaf you appear to be wearing on your sleeve there let's try and get our facts straight eh. If I read one more time about how we burned down the White House I'm gonna hurl.

First it wasn't even called that at the time. The President's official home in Washington was actually pink or sandstone in colour at the time. After it was torched it was rebuilt and white washed to hide the scorch marks, hence it's "new" nickname.

Secondly there were no Canadian units regular or militia present at any of the battles fought in and around Washington and/or Baltimore. The closest connection you can make is that the British Commander General Ross was killed during thr final actions at Baltimore and brought to Halifax for burial.

[Midav]

There are plans for most any happenings.

Good example is Schwarzkopf's plan to rid Iraq from Kuwait. He wrote the basic battle concept years before he ever became General in charge of CENTCOM.

[Skaman]

While I admire that Maple Leaf you appear to be wearing on your sleeve there let's try and get our facts straight eh. If I read one more time about how we burned down the White House I'm gonna hurl.

First it wasn't even called that at the time. The PResident's official home in Washington was actually pink or sandstone in colour at the time. After it was torched it was rebuilt ans white washed to hide the scorch marks, hence it's "new" nickname.! (accurate)

Secondly there were no Canadian units regular or militia present at any of the battles fought in and around Washington and/or Baltimore. The closest connection you can make is that the British Commander Generla Ross was killed during thr final actions at Baltimore and brought to Halifax for burial.

I am going to have to disagree with you there.

[cbreedon]

I've got a name for it.......OPERATION LEAF BLOWER...... :)

[Vance]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.
Don't you mean sixty-nine?

[Skaman]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.
Don't you mean sixty-nine?

yes.

[Parzival]

Yea, It would be stupid to attack Canada. They were still a part of the British Empire (right me if am wron?).

[Skaman]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only seventy thirty years ago is frightning.

And with the war of 1812-American forces invaded Canada and were forced out by a thorough defence. White House Burned down, York Burned down.

Canadian people, seperate from the British empire, were a unique homogenous people which defeated the USA with help from garrisoned British forces and native contingents.

[Trigger]

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'nuff said.

[marktigger]

its one of those things the army does it plans things to exercise the planning process. And to promote thought in command echelons of the military. Occaasionally actual nugets are produced that are the basis for later operations.

[UkrainianAmerican]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/misc/trigger_art/newsig1.jpg
'nuff said.
ROFL! rofl rofl rofl
nice sig.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

LOL, the US and Canada need to combine forces and become the American- Canadian Empire and rule the world with an M-16 in one hand and a hockey stick in the other!

[SFontaine]

The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

[Maverick77]

Nobody could ever succesfully take Canada anyway.

Its a guerilla warfare paradise

way to ****in big too

[Skaman]

The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Until you attain your PHD and teach your very own History lecture, I am inclined to say you are full of ****, and I am going to take what my professors say as a more accurate representation of the war of 1812 than what you may have to offer. Additionally, until you release a book detailing the war of 1812 in what you conceive to be:


War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

And until your book is accepted and regarded among the Social Arts and History community as a fine piece of literature, I will continue to laugh at you. So, you best get on that.

[[AFSOC]]

http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:35:53 EST
From: FLOYD RUDMIN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada


A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

Submitted by F.W. Rudmin
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario Canada

Email: rudminf@qucdn.queensu.ca
FAX: (613) 545-6611

The following is a full-text reproduction of the 1935
plan for a US invasion of Canada prepared at the US Army
War College, G-2 intelligence division, and submitted on
December 18, 1935. This is the most recent declassified
invasion plan available from the US archival sources.
Centered pagination is that of the original document. The
spelling and punctuation of the original document are
reproduced as in the original document, even when in error
by present-day norms.


Even if was true....

Canada would've kicked our ass during the time, we were unequipped unlike they were.

[[AFSOC]]

The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.

During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

[stuntman]

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The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.


During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

You make it sound as if the United States attacked Canada! So if it was the Canadians defending there homeland why did Canada loose that war! And by the way please stop propaganding how "We burnt your white house" crap last time I read it was the british who did that and they still lost. Judging the size of your **** because of some minor battle you won in the north has nothing to do with the extent of your militaries power. Also in the 1930's the US and Canada were economicly in shambles but on the other hand (I think) the population of the US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able!

[Lone Predator]

I am not insulted by this comment
The reason the war of 1812 wasn't exactly a success but what exactly does that mean? Last time I checked we were attacked and we won that war decisively! If you mean the campain to gain territory in southern Canada that was a failure, then I apologize. But yeah maybe it was just incase Canada became totalitarian or communist or some oppresive society???
Who knows!

Not all goals were met by either side... no one truely won in the end. And yeah, I mainly met the plans for invasion of Canada (as if any Canadian would care about any other part in that war). I mean, by the end everyone was happy to have the war over with. I ment no offense.

[[AFSOC]]

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The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.


During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

You make it sound as if the United States attacked Canada! So if it was the Canadians defending there homeland why did Canada loose that war! And by the way please stop propaganding how "We burnt your white house" crap last time I read it was the british who did that and they still lost. Judging the size of your **** because of some minor battle you won in the north has nothing to do with the extent of your militaries power. Also in the 1930's the US and Canada were economicly in shambles but on the other hand (I think) the population of the US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able!

THE USA DID ATTACK CANADA WTF??? DO u know anything about the WAR????? BUDDY, NO ONE EVEN WON THE WAR, in sense though us Americans lost cause it was our idea to take Canada in first place. But no one really won...there is no winner in war.

WHERE THE FUK DID U GET THE IDEA CANADA LOST THE WAR?? IF THEy LOST THE WAR than CANADA WOULD bE THE USA.

By the way people back then in Canada were refered as British. Just like in America. YES there were British troops fighting but there were also Canadians fighting too for Britain.

Im not even gunna waste myyy time arguing. Do some histoire about the WAR first.


US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/

Since when does size matter? Vietnam...ahem...wtf happened there. Vimy Ridge, the American REVOLUTION...jesus christ there's soo many examples.

[Lone Predator]

oh and stupid little correction to the post before this

"US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/"


the population of canada 100 years later during WW1, was only 10 million.... so 8 million seems rather high for then.... but doesn't really matter

[SFontaine]

Sorry but Canada did not become a semi independant nation until 1867. There were no Canadians around in 1812, only British subjects living in a British colony. This is another example of Canadians needing something to cling onto so their "national identity" isn't hurt.
That's a fact, and you don't need to produce a book or be a professor to know it.

[stuntman]

]

]
The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.


During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

You make it sound as if the United States attacked Canada! So if it was the Canadians defending there homeland why did Canada loose that war! And by the way please stop propaganding how "We burnt your white house" crap last time I read it was the british who did that and they still lost. Judging the size of your **** because of some minor battle you won in the north has nothing to do with the extent of your militaries power. Also in the 1930's the US and Canada were economicly in shambles but on the other hand (I think) the population of the US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able!

THE USA DID ATTACK CANADA WTF??? DO u know anything about the WAR????? BUDDY, NO ONE EVEN WON THE WAR, in sense though us Americans lost cause it was our idea to take Canada in first place. But no one really won...there is no winner in war.

WHERE THE FUK DID U GET THE IDEA CANADA LOST THE WAR?? IF THEy LOST THE WAR than CANADA WOULD bE THE USA.

By the way people back then in Canada were refered as British. Just like in America. YES there were British troops fighting but there were also Canadians fighting too for Britain.

Im not even gunna waste myyy time arguing. Do some histoire about the WAR first.


US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/

Since when does size matter? Vietnam...ahem...wtf happened there. Vimy Ridge, the American REVOLUTION...jesus christ there's soo many examples.

WOW YOU MUST BE SMART BECAUSE YOU FOUND THE "CAPS LOCK " BUTTON! But anyways I didn't say we didn't attack southern Canada I said we didn't start the war you idiot! The war really started in Europe (maybe Not in a hot sence) and It was between the USA and Great Britian!
The US doesn't take credit for the French and indian war even though it was fought with colonial and British regulars. So stop taking credit for the war of 1812! And yes maybe arguable it was a stalemate but We are still here. PLUS Canada was formed in the year 1867 by the signing of the British North America Act of July 1 so how in the hell did you BEAT US if you weren't even there incharge of spit?

Since when does size matter? Vietnam...ahem...wtf happened there. Vimy Ridge, the American REVOLUTION...jesus christ there's soo many examples.
Your really a jack ass I swear the same reason the British lost here is the same reason we decided to pull out of Vietnam. Colonial America had a population of 5million people who were in and out of the militia or they were regulars, now can the british forces of what 300,000 thousand (big I think)defeat a whole country of rebels?? Again enter Vietnam another country (mind you friendly south) with a larger population then the US military stationed there. So again I ask if you know anything about the vietnam war please use commonsence please.
and just to sum it up in a paragraph,

(War of 1812. On June 18, 1812, the United States declared war between the United States and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Among the issues leading to the war were British interception of neutral ships and blockades of the United States during British hostilities with France.)

"United States declared war between the United States and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. " Not Canada!
And for Lone Predator

oh and stupid little correction to the post before this

"US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/"


the population of canada 100 years later during WW1, was only 10 million.... so 8 million seems rather high for then.... but doesn't really matter
Sorry I ment the population Of our countries during the thirties but thx anyways! owned! :slap:[/quote][/b]

[Jack Mehoff]

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The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.


During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

You make it sound as if the United States attacked Canada! So if it was the Canadians defending there homeland why did Canada loose that war! And by the way please stop propaganding how "We burnt your white house" crap last time I read it was the british who did that and they still lost. Judging the size of your **** because of some minor battle you won in the north has nothing to do with the extent of your militaries power. Also in the 1930's the US and Canada were economicly in shambles but on the other hand (I think) the population of the US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able!

THE USA DID ATTACK CANADA WTF??? DO u know anything about the WAR????? BUDDY, NO ONE EVEN WON THE WAR, in sense though us Americans lost cause it was our idea to take Canada in first place. But no one really won...there is no winner in war.

WHERE THE FUK DID U GET THE IDEA CANADA LOST THE WAR?? IF THEy LOST THE WAR than CANADA WOULD bE THE USA.

By the way people back then in Canada were refered as British. Just like in America. YES there were British troops fighting but there were also Canadians fighting too for Britain.

Im not even gunna waste myyy time arguing. Do some histoire about the WAR first.


US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/

Since when does size matter? Vietnam...ahem...wtf happened there. Vimy Ridge, the American REVOLUTION...jesus christ there's soo many examples.

Your history stinks!!

The British broke the Treaty of 1783 by lurking in the Ohio River Valley and impressment U.S. merchant marines to serve in British Navy. Remember Chesapeak Incident? These are the reason why U.S. wanted to invade "Canada"

Another thing, "Canada" wasn't exist in 1812 so how could there be "Canadians" in 1812?. This is like saying United States of America existed before 1776 :roll: Do you need a boost for your self esteem by taking credit a victory from the British?

[Jack Mehoff]

One more thing, in 1812 United States military had 2500 men in the Army WITHOUT any Navy. We were ill prepared to fight against the British in the war of 1812. Hell!! United States did not become a superpower until WW2 was over

[EvanL]

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The British (Not Canadians, British citizens who happened to live in Canada) managed to defend the provicnes due to the shoddy American plan, nothing more. So many Canadians like to call the War of 1812 a GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF THE PROUD CANADIANS VERSUS THE DIRTY YANKEES but that just isn't how it was.

I really hate people like Douchimus who listen to everything their teachers say and don't do their own research

Ok you turd....

There were BRITISH AND CANADIANS WHO FOUGHT in that friggin WAR. Canadians are proud of that war cause we defended there land **** face.


During the first attacks of the War of 1812 most of the Royal Army was in Europe fighting Napolean, so CANADIAN MILITIA and Natives took on the US ARMY.

You make it sound as if the United States attacked Canada! So if it was the Canadians defending there homeland why did Canada loose that war! And by the way please stop propaganding how "We burnt your white house" crap last time I read it was the british who did that and they still lost. Judging the size of your **** because of some minor battle you won in the north has nothing to do with the extent of your militaries power. Also in the 1930's the US and Canada were economicly in shambles but on the other hand (I think) the population of the US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able!

THE USA DID ATTACK CANADA WTF??? DO u know anything about the WAR????? BUDDY, NO ONE EVEN WON THE WAR, in sense though us Americans lost cause it was our idea to take Canada in first place. But no one really won...there is no winner in war.

WHERE THE FUK DID U GET THE IDEA CANADA LOST THE WAR?? IF THEy LOST THE WAR than CANADA WOULD bE THE USA.

By the way people back then in Canada were refered as British. Just like in America. YES there were British troops fighting but there were also Canadians fighting too for Britain.

Im not even gunna waste myyy time arguing. Do some histoire about the WAR first.


US was maybe 80million while Canada was (again) maybe 8million! Correct me if im wrong but a large conscripted army from the US could of taken about two ciites and established control maybe not easily but we definetly were able![/

Since when does size matter? Vietnam...ahem...wtf happened there. Vimy Ridge, the American REVOLUTION...jesus christ there's soo many examples.

Your history stinks!!

The British broke the Treaty of 1783 by lurking in the Ohio River Valley and impressment U.S. merchant marines to serve in British Navy. Remember Chesapeak Incident? These are the reason why U.S. wanted to invade "Canada"

Another thing, "Canada" wasn't exist in 1812 so how could there be "Canadians" in 1812?. This is like saying United States of America existed before 1776 :roll: Do you need a boost for your self esteem by taking credit a victory from the British?
I guess the same can be said for the battle at the Alamo. It wasnt really fought by americans because texas wasnt part of the U.S. at the time, even though americans (like davy crocket) fought there.

[Jack Mehoff]

I guess the same can be said for the battle at the Alamo. It wasnt really fought by americans because texas wasnt part of the U.S. at the time, even though americans (like davy crocket) fought there.

The battle of Alamo fought by Texans after Texas declared their independence from Mexico in 1836. I agree, Alamo was fought mostly by Texans :lol:

[Lone Predator]

Sorry but Canada did not become a semi independant nation until 1867. There were no Canadians around in 1812, only British subjects living in a British colony. This is another example of Canadians needing something to cling onto so their "national identity" isn't hurt.
That's a fact, and you don't need to produce a book or be a professor to know it.

Its no diffrent than Americans who's family have only been in the country since the 60's bragging about how America kicked germany's ass in ww2. There war of 1812 is still a part of our country's history.

I'm not sure how long the name Canadian or Canada has been around in our language, but its still possible it was used long before our independance was declared.



On that note I might add that no war of 1812 thread ever goes right....

[soma]

I AM USING ALL CAPS THEREFORE I AM RIGHT SO **** YOU.

[Skaman]

America declared war on Canada. This ides was promoted by the warhawks. The war went as follows:

Madison declare war on Canada

Fort Detroit Siege, William Hulls surrender

Fort George, invasion, counterattacks fail, John Norton, Scott Surrenders

American and British fleets battle in lake Eerie

British abandon fort Detroit, Brocks Death

Chateuguay River, Canadian militia repel second American invasion

Burlington Heights, execution of traitors, Lundy’s lane

Peace treaty 1814 Treaty of Ghent

I recommend:

http://images.chapters.indigo.ca/covers/books/839/0385658397_b.gif

The Invasion of Canada

by Pierre Bretton

The idea that war was won not by Canadians but British is absolutely spurious. Was the American revolution won by Americans or simply by disenfranchised British colonists? Are Texans who fought in the Alamo considered to be a separate body of people, or was this battle regarded as a historic AMERICAN conflict? In this war, the British and Canadians were victorious bringing heroes such as General Isaac Brock to the forefront with the Queeston Heights, Stoney Creek, and Lundy's Lane battles.


Here is another interpretation of the war:


The War of 1812
Meanwhile the British colonies far to the east found themselves involved with the United States in a new war that threatened to end their existence under the English flag. The declaration of war announced by the United States had several causes. Chief among these was Britain's insistence on its right to search American vessels for deserters from its own navy during the war against Napoleon. In addition, England had interfered with American trade with Europe. It was claimed too that the British in Canada had been inciting the Indians against the American settlements along the northwestern frontier.

The early hopes of the United States to drive the British entirely from North America were dashed by a series of defeats at the hands of British regulars and Canadian militia forces. Fort Michilimackinac, at the entrance to Lake Michigan, was captured by the British soon after the outbreak of fighting and was not recaptured during the remainder of the war. An American attack across the Detroit border was not only forced back but, under the brilliant generalship of Gen. Isaac Brock, ably assisted by the Shawnee chieftain Tecumseh and his warriors was turned into a disastrous defeat. The army defending Detroit was forced to surrender, and the fort itself fell into British hands. Later the same year, the United States launched an attack on the Niagara frontier. Brock was killed early during the fighting at Queenston Heights, but the invasion was repulsed.




Driven by an inherent Manifest Destiny or right to rule North America, the Americans attempted an invasion of Canada and failed due to the valiant defense of Canadian militia and garrisoned British Soldiers. British soldiers were few and far between with the current conflict in Europe concerning Napoleon, yet still managed to hold of the determined American forces. No territory losses or gains were made, and it is clearly evident that America launched a failed attempt at seizing Canada. Do Canadians cling to this integral piece of History? Yes. Then again, we have every right to.


We have Sommes
We have Vimy ridge
We have Juno Beach
We have the defence of Malta,
And foremost, we have the war of 1812

These are precious battles in every Canadians hearts. Before you profess or attempt to challenge the very history ingrained into every Canadian, please check your history.

[DANJANOU]

You know I was going to suggest this two volume set by Berton as a good start to understanding the war, because of all the misinformed BS interlaced with the cross border **** waving going on in this thread.

It's not the best out there, but it is very readable, accurate, and dispels many myths about the conflict, including that the US was forced to go to war over impressed sailors, and the "militia myth" that brave Canadian farm boy militia types beat back the yankees by themselves.

However someone beat me to it. Not only that he appears to have skewered the works of one of Canada's premier popular historians.

Ducimus just out of curiousity answer this broken down old 031 one question. You use the Infantry motto as your name here. Your bio info posted says you're in 39 Bde. However you don't tell us which unit. I'm curious. I'm presuming it's one of the reserve infantry bns but which one?

Or are we to presume that by not listing the Bde sub unit, that you are the Bde Comd? Yah I could believe for a second that a full Col. has your warped grasp on Cdn militay history and thin skin.

BTW you also mentioned somewhere that you specialise in mountain warfare. When and where did you do your MOI?

Inquring minds want to know.

[Skaman]

You know I was going to suggest this two volume set by Berton as a good start to understanding the war, because of all the misinformed BS interlaced with the cross border **** waving going on in this thread.

It's not the best out there, but it is very readable, accurate, and dispels many myths about the conflict, including that the US was forced to go to war over impressed sailors, and the "militia myth" that brave Canadian farm boy militia types beat back the yankees by themselves.

However someone beat me to it. Not only that he appears to have skewered the works of one of Canada's premier popular historians.

Ducimus just out of curiousity answer this broken down old 031 one question. You use the Infantry motto as your name here. Your bio info posted says you're in 39 Bde. However you don't tell us which unit. I'm curious. I'm presuming it's one of the reserve infantry bns but which one?

Or are we to presume that by not listing the Bde sub unit, that you are the Bde Comd? Yah I could believe for a second that a full Col. has your warped grasp on Cdn militay history and thin skin.

BTW you also mentioned somewhere that you specialise in mountain warfare. When and where did you do your MOI?

Inquring minds want to know.


Well, frankly my unit is none of your business. I have told some, and for privacy reasons I would rather not disclose such information across the entire forum. I hope you understand.

[Sixgun Symphony]

LOL, the US and Canada need to combine forces and become the American- Canadian Empire and rule the world with an M-16 in one hand and a hockey stick in the other!

Did they not have the L1A1 (FN FAL) rifle at one time?

I think that one would have to be insane to give up a fine weapon like the L1A1 rifle for the "made by Mattel" .22 rifle.

[James]

I have a plan to invade Canada. I am starting in BC.

On another note, some time ago, martinexsquaddie and mocking_loudly_died were working on a plan to invade the United States. I am still waiting for their attack. :D