PDA

View Full Version : The Balkans : Al Qaeda Radio Station in Bosnia



scoone
03-08-2004, 02:11 PM
THE BALKANS: Al Qaeda Radio Station in Bosnia



March 3, 2004: UN administrators in Kosovo rejected a Serb proposal to “cantonize” Kosovo. “Cantonization” is division of the province along ethnic lines. In fact, similar proposals were made in 1999. The Serb government believes this is the best deal it can get for Kosovar Serbs. UNMIK released a statement assuring Kosovars the UN Security Council would make decisions regarding Kosovo’s “final status,” not Serbia. The Kosovo government also rejected the Serbian offer.

In Bosnia, SFOR reported that its troops arrested a Bosnian Serb suspected of war crimes. Former Bosnian Serb General Bogdan Subotic was arrested in Banja Luka .From 1992-1995 he was the Bosnian Serb Minister of Defense. A subsequent report said that Subotic is also “suspected” of helping chief war crime suspect Radovan Karadzic evade arrest. Perhaps SFOR is (finally) closing the net on Karadzic.

Also from Bosnia: Bosnian Islamic Radio Naba (yes, it exists) ran a series of statements about the attacks on Shias in Baghdad and Karbala, Iraq, that sound like propaganda straight from Al Qaeda. Here’s one of the statements: “There is no doubt whatsoever that suicide or any other terrorist attacks on Shiites in Baghdad and Karbala are the doing of US intelligence services. For, how else can there be an explanation for the footage of the explosions being broadcast to the world almost live, as a sensation of the first order?...However, the message and the conclusion are painfully clear: the most important thing now is to create a rift between Iraq's Shiites and Sunnis, open a new internal Muslim front where Muslim youth will get killed daily, thus exhaust themselves and weaken themselves. At the same time, the US will be exhausting Iraqi oil reserves and transferring its oil to the USA.” Radio Naba’s agitprop doesn’t stop there. The Islamist radio service also suggested the US was behind the death of Macedonia’s president. Is this an example of a “coordinated” Al Qaeda information campaign? Not necessarily– but it is an example of how a “network of the faithful” can magnify the worst lies.

February 28, 2004: On February 26 a plane carrying Macedonian president Boris Trajkovski crashed in Bosnia. On February 27 the plane crash was located in what proved to be an old minefield between Mostaf and Stolac. Trajkovsi was confirmed dead. The cause of the crash has yet to be determined. While the incident and the loss of human live are tragic, Macedonia’s political reaction has been calm. There are no signs of either a short-term or long-term political crisis.

February 26, 2004: Turkey indicted 69 alleged Al Qaeda members for participating in or facilitating terror bomb attacks in Istanbul in November 2003. Two Synagogues were bombed on November 15. The HSBC Bank and the British consulate in Istanbul were attacked on November 20. Altogether, 63 were killed in the attacks and over 700 people were wounded. The prosecutor’s indictment said that the terrorists also intended to attack the big NATO airbase at Incirlik, Turkey, and an Israeli passenger ship docked at the Turkish port of Alanya. Israeli tourists do visit southern Turkey’s resort areas. Turkey and Cyprus are the only two “local stops” available to Israeli vacationers. Apparently the security ring around Incirlik (and most of the security is provided by Turkish forces) stopped that attack. The terror group then went looking for “softer targets.” That meant urban targets in Istanbul.

February 21, 2004: NATO has officially offered to provide additional security assistance to Greece for the upcoming Olympics. This is a historic offer of sorts: NATO is offering alliance troops to help protect a sports event. Of course the Olympics isn’t a normal sports tournament. It is precisely the kind of “global icon target” terrorists seek. The media “magnification” of an attack on the Olympics would be instant. Greece has not made a formal request to NATO, but every nation in the alliance knows that Athens and the rest of Greece become a prime target this summer. Recall NATO invoked the mutual defense clause of the NATO charter after the US was attacked on 9/11. What could NATO provide? (1) More troops. Military police are key but also special operations troops (Delta, SAS and GSG-9) experienced in hostage rescue.(2) Increased sea control and surveillance capabilities, particularly if US Navy and Royal Navy ships are added to the mix. This isn’t simply surface surveillance. Add US or British nuclear subs for underwater surveillance, and even more exotic sensors. (3) Improved air surveillance and control. AWACS aircraft fly under the Luxembourg flag, but they are regarded as an “all alliance” asset. AWACS would be tasked to provide pinpoint air control around the entire region. (4) Emergency medical assets. The potential exists for mass casualties, particularly if the terrorists set off a chemical or radiological weapon. Military casualty evacuation and mass medical assistance capabilities would be extremely useful if “the worst case” occurs. (Austin Bay)


February 20, 2004: Greece announced that it will deploy Greek Army troops to help provide security for the upcoming Athens Olympic games. The government plans on using a 10,000 troops “protection and patrol” contingent to help Greek police. The games run from August 13 through August 29, 2004. The unit will include members of the Air Force and Navy as well as the Army. A key mission is bomb disposal. The Athens Olympics are –obviously– a major terrorist target.

February 19, 2004: Serbia’s Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS, headed by Vojislav Kostunica) has negotiated a parliamentary deal with the G-17 Plus Party and The New Serbia Party. This coalition will now form a minority government. The Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO) will also join the coalition. This blocks former Serb dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS)from playing a “king maker” role. However, a subsequent report said the SPS may attempt to join the coalition.


February 18, 2004: Western press sources have run a series of reports on new violence in Kosovo. It's been noted that the current violence looks like an “old style” of violence unfortunately all too familiar in the Balkans. That is the “blood feud.” Blood feuds savaged Albania for generations, though by no means are they confined to Albania or Balkan Albanian ethnic populations. One report from Kosovo used the term “honor killings.” The report tied the “honor killings” medieval Albanian tribal laws, specifically one called “The Canon of Lekee Dukagjini.” Honor killings occur in many cultures. Arab tribal honor killings underpin some violence inter-tribal and political violence in the Middle East. They also include more “personal” violent acts to include attacks on women suspected of adultery. Corsica and Sicily have histories of “blood vendettas.” The Albanian Balkanite version operates at clan, family and personal levels, and has led to generations of tit for tat attacks and murders. One source says The Canon of Lekee Dukagjini (also called Leke’s Law) provides a “legal sanction” for the feuds: “...If one man kills another, a male member of the victim's family must respond in kind." There are ways to negotiate release from this sanction, including giving pledges of security, payments of “blood money,” public reconciliation, etc. The return of “blood feud” may well relate to lack of faith in the legal system in Kosovo. Some human rights groups have reached that conclusion. Though UNMIK’s police have accomplished much during the UN mandate in Kosovo, the power of Balkan gangs to corrupt the legal process and the power of former Albanian guerrillas to intimidate witnesses has certainly sapped public confidence. In fact, on February 16, UN police arrested four former KLA guerrillas. The ex-guerrillas now serve in the Kosovo Protection Corps (TNK). The men are accused of murdering several Albanian Kosovars in 1998 and 1999. The people the men murdered were suspected of “collaborating with the Serb oppressors.” However, those arrests set off a series of street protests. While these may have been “political killings” the families of those murdered may not see it in those terms. They want justice.One source which said at least 40 murders in Kosovo (1999-2003) were blood feud-related killings. While that’s a large figure for such a small population, the more troubling aspect is that the number of revenge slayings may be increasing. One possible solution is a Kosovar “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” modeled after the post-apartheid commission in South Africa. (Austin Bay)

http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=BALKANS.HTM

Sixgun Symphony
03-08-2004, 02:21 PM
I knew that we were fighting the wrong side in the Balkans a few years ago.

EYE SPY
03-08-2004, 04:10 PM
Sixgun, you really are a dumbass. You know that?

George W. Bush
03-08-2004, 04:23 PM
Each side killed each other by the thousands. There was no good or bad guy.

UkrainianAmerican
03-08-2004, 05:08 PM
Each side killed each other by the thousands. There was no good or bad guy.
In thgat case why take sides with any of them?
Sure non of em are angels, but by getting nvolved instead of letting sort out this mass we simply improved the power of the albaninas and decreased the power iof Serbs. Nothing changed.

ibstolidude
03-08-2004, 05:12 PM
I knew that we were fighting the wrong side in the Balkans a few years ago.

What is this "we" crap? You never did any fighting much less have been to the Balkans... Why don't you tell Royal, myself, Beo, Argyll and the others who have served in the Balkans all about it?

EYE SPY
03-08-2004, 05:15 PM
While it is true that the Albanians have given back as good as they got, thats not to say that the world community shouldnt have gotten involved.

The fact is, since Tito's death Serbs have picked on, intimidated, marginalized, disenfranchised Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians and Albanians.

Payback is a bitch, isnt it Serbs.

Its very convenient for many folks out there to point out that the Albanians are also murderers. While just throwing out the facts that the Serbian Neighbors backstabbed their albanian, croatian and Bosnian neighbors. Albanians will never forget what the Serbs STARTED. Screw everyone else in the world. Deep Down inside everyone knows the truth, but they wont acknowledge it because they are linked to the Serbs.

ibstolidude
03-08-2004, 05:21 PM
Deep Down inside everyone knows the truth, but they wont acknowledge it because they are linked to the Serbs. - could you please explain how I am linked to the Serbs and how it affects my judgement?


Albanians will never forget what the Serbs STARTED. Screw everyone else in the world. What do you think would be the status of the Albanians in KosovO had the "rest of the world" not intervened? I would venture the UCK would have gone the same way as UPMB in Presevo and Northern FYROM.

EYE SPY
03-08-2004, 05:28 PM
Linked is the wrong word. But From the Get Go, many european nations had an affinity for the Serbs and the Serb cause. Namely France and Russia were the patrons of Serbs going back at least two Centuries.

What would have been the status of the Albanians in Kosovo without Nato.

Most likely they would have been bloodied by the Serbs. But at least they would die with honor. Nato, all the Nato nations have done is maintained the status quo. Kosovo is still part of Serbia. the French under Nato have allowed Serbs to force out the Albanian citizens of Northern Mitrovica.

Whats going on in Kosovo is a cruel joke.

The country is still a crap whole. Each Nato nation has its own little agenda. All under the guise of humanitarain peacekeeping.

Sixgun was right, Nato should have never stepped in. becuase if this is the kind of liberation that the Albanians were expecting then Death would be a better alternative.

army cadet_ngcsu
03-08-2004, 05:56 PM
Jesus, what is wrong with you people! People were being killed by the tens of thousands. They were being raped, tortured, and murdered. Are we not Americans, do we not always try to help people who need it and ask for it?!?!? There may... MAY...have been ulterior motives in Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, etc; but have they all not been fought under the banner of good will and humanitarianism. What the Nazis did to the Jews is no better than what the Serbs were doing to the Albanians and vice versa.

I personally do not care who the people are...their race, color, creed, etc. The only thing worse than evil, is when good men stand by and let evil people take advantage of those who cannot defend themselves.

I may not have served in the Balkans or anywhere YET for that matter, but right is right and wrong is wrong. Do not let one radio broadcast go and piss everyone off. We have some real assholes in this country and especially in our allies' who broadcast worst ****.

RATKO
03-08-2004, 05:57 PM
Where are Serbs from Pristina,Pec,Djakovica,Vitina,Vucitrn,Prizren,Urosevac,Gnjilane or any other town in Kosovo and Metohija province? Where was NATO when they got expeled from their homes

ibstolidude
03-08-2004, 05:59 PM
Linked is the wrong word. But From the Get Go, many european nations had an affinity for the Serbs and the Serb cause. Namely France and Russia were the patrons of Serbs going back at least two Centuries.

Nato, all the Nato nations have done is maintained the status quo. Kosovo is still part of Serbia. the French under Nato have allowed Serbs to force out the Albanian citizens of Northern Mitrovica.

Whats going on in Kosovo is a cruel joke.

The country is still a crap whole. Each Nato nation has its own little agenda. All under the guise of humanitarain peacekeeping.

Sixgun was right, Nato should have never stepped in. becuase if this is the kind of liberation that the Albanians were expecting then Death would be a better alternative.
Why would ANYONE think that NATO was there to "Liberate" the Albanians - Kosovo is not independent because it is a province of Serbia. - that was expressly stated in the talks in Rambouillet.
That was the largest delay in the signing was the lack of a ref. on the independence of Kosovo.



What would have been the status of the Albanians in Kosovo without Nato? -
Most likely they would have been bloodied by the Serbs. But at least they would die with honor.
Although mistakes have certainly been made - The average Albanian in Kosovo would not agree with you (atleast did not in 99 or in 00). The average Albanian was amazingly hospitable and thankful for the intervention.

ibstolidude
03-08-2004, 06:04 PM
Jesus, what is wrong with you people! -
1) What are you yelling about?
2) Who stated that the serbs were innocent?
3) why do you fail to realize that the Balkans are larger than Kosovo and encompass several countries and several wars ranging in location from FYROM, BiH, Croatia, Montenegro, Slovenia, to Serbia.
4) again as I posted to the original comments of taking the wrong side in the Balkans please exhibit which side "we" took.
5) calm down - it is a touchy subject as is and hyperactivity does little to help discussion flow.

EYE SPY
03-08-2004, 06:07 PM
See thats the thing.

If you think logically, from the Albanian point of view. "Look Nato is bombing the Serbs, the Serbs are leaving. We are being liberated"

Not, "Look NATO is bombing, so that we can keep our autonomy"

Thats my point from the getgo. It is hypocricital and a cruel joke to bomb the serbs only to keep the status quo.

yes that lovely autonomy.

The autonomy where Serbian Schoolteachers would only teach in Serbian To Albanian Children. Where Serbian Police Officers would stop Albanian Civilians in every town and give Tickets if Albanians didnt respond to the "Police Officers" demands.


Oh yea, What about those Serbs that left those towns.

you know what, if i ratted out My Neighbors to Serbian Death Squads i would leave Djakova, Pristina and all those towns. Because what goes around comes around.

i lost many relatives in Djakova and Pristina. Most of them i did not even know i had. And you know what. It was their nextdoor neighbors, their childhood classmates. their local playground freinds, their former buisness partners that had them taken away to be executed. these were the same serbs that took my relatives homes. Stole what they could and burned down the homes with the family members that they didnt take away.

So excuse me, if i dont give a **** about the Serbs.

RATKO
03-08-2004, 06:27 PM
And i lost friends during and after the war They were kiled by their Albanian neighbours also
And please dont put KLA and fighting with honor in one sentence
BTW i work with Albanians every day in Belgrade(Serbia) and i dont hate them like you hate Serbs
But i hate KLA for what they did during and after the war

ibstolidude
03-08-2004, 06:34 PM
Oh yea, What about those Serbs that left those towns.

you know what, if i ratted out My Neighbors to Serbian Death Squads i would leave Djakova, Pristina and all those towns. Because what goes around comes around.

the fact is 95% of the Serbs have left or live in enclaves. Certainly 95% of these simple folk did not "rat out there" neighbors. I can still remember walking the ?????#s of stairs (24 flights of stairs) to the top of the tallest building (Rilindja building) in Pristina to visit Radio Kontact - that was serb ran but multi-ethnic, and yet was attempting to educate and create dialogue between the remaining serbs and albanians. Certainly he wasn't risking his life everyday after the NATO intervention to "rat out his nieghbors". I also witnessed the Serbs in Gracinica that were simple people from Pristina - ran out of town (as only 1x Serb apartment flat remained and under 24hr guard) and were concerned about their homes and posessions.

All I am saying is people are people - some good some bad - lets not pretend it is anyother way. In the Balkans I have seen every ethnic group from Albanians to Serbs to Croats do evil & likewise to good. Both extremists and those (like most of the people on each side) tired of the war and hoping for a return to normalacy.

BUT -your opinion is YOUR opinion and I can appreciate it, although not agree with it. And atleast the discussion stayed civil (by my standard).

RATKO
03-08-2004, 07:00 PM
The autonomy where Serbian Schoolteachers would only teach in Serbian To Albanian Children. Where Serbian Police Officers would stop Albanian Civilians in every town and give Tickets if Albanians didnt respond to the "Police Officers" demands.




Problem was that Albanian teachers did not wanted to teach their pupils by the same teaching program like the rest of Serbia How would US goverment react if spanish teachers in Texas would start teaching their pupils thah Texas is occupied by US army?

RATKO
03-08-2004, 07:13 PM
Because what goes around comes around

What do you want? Revenge? Do you want new war to start? Do you realy think that KLA stands any chance against Serbian army without NATO support? They will run like last time across Prokletije to Albania

Sixgun Symphony
03-08-2004, 11:24 PM
I knew that we were fighting the wrong side in the Balkans a few years ago.

What is this "we" crap? You never did any fighting much less have been to the Balkans... Why don't you tell Royal, myself, Beo, Argyll and the others who have served in the Balkans all about it?


These guys make fine Janissaries.

ibstolidude
03-09-2004, 12:08 AM
I knew that we were fighting the wrong side in the Balkans a few years ago.

What is this "we" crap? You never did any fighting much less have been to the Balkans... Why don't you tell Royal, myself, Beo, Argyll and the others who have served in the Balkans all about it?


I am aware of how you and the others take pride in the way you fought for the muslims in the Balkan wars. I also remember the strong support you all have for the massive Islamic immigration into the West. Then too, you guys have strongly denied that there is a clash of civilizations.

IMHO, you guys make fine Janissaries.

Before you further dig your own hole - who are the "You" that you continue to refer to? ie
I also remember the strong support you all have for the massive Islamic immigration into the West. Then too, you guys have strongly denied that there is a clash of civilizations

I suggest thinking very carefully about your answer... I recommend not posting your usual half thought out, far from factual typical rhetoric.
I also suggest you start finding proof of the above statements. I find it vary hard to swallow words that others attempt to put in my mouth.

Considering the double meaning in janissary to also mean a member of a group of elite, loyal supporters - I say thanks I am...I am a fervent supporter of the US Army and my country, as that is what I am sworn to

Sixgun Symphony
03-09-2004, 05:25 PM
Some of the guys here have been twisting my words so I will have to say it all again in no uncertain terms.

When I referred to "We" earlier, I referred to our government's policy of supporting the muslims in the Balkan's war. When I said "we", I was not even including the allied NATO governments.

When ibstolidude chimed in about "We", meaning the troops that enforced Bill Clinton's/UN polices there, I then used the word "You" to address him and others of like mind.

I brought up Janissaries because they were taken from their Christian homes as young boys by the Ottoman Turks. They were converted to Islam then trained as soldiers for the vanguard of the mohammedian invasions into Christendom.

That some here support the massive Islamic migrations into western nations, that they helped the muslims to win a war that the muslims themselves started in the Bosnia and Kosovo, I gotta say that they are like the Janissaris.

BTW, Anyone wearing a UN blue beret is in service of the internationalists. Congress should have impeached Bill Clinton for his illegal order that put US soldiers in the uniform of a forien power.

Sixgun Symphony
03-09-2004, 05:31 PM
Double tap :oops:

ibstolidude
03-09-2004, 06:22 PM
Not worth the time....

You have proven yourself to be what many here testify about you.

You lack even the intelligence to realize that possibly reading past posts of mine could show you my feelings of people putting words in my mouth or attempting to "tell me" the way I think.
then used the word "You" to address him and others of like mind

You lack the intelligence to even read what my stance has been on the various operation sin the Balkans. As "we" conducted operations specifically for counter insurgency of the Muslim UCPMB as in Northern FYROM.... Your ingnorance blinds your posts.



BTW, Anyone wearing a UN blue beret is in service of the internationalists. Congress should have impeached Bill Clinton for his illegal order that put US soldiers in the uniform of a forien power. The US was not under UN command - and when was the US in
in the uniform of a forien power. in the balkans?

US troops in the operations in Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia and at Able Sentry are under NATO they do not, did not, have not worn the blue beret or were under UN command. That was BiH & UNPROFOR their mandate ended and NATO's IFOR took over.

You choose to post based not on my opinion (which you have yet to know) or on the basis of historical fact (considering you still think the US supported the muslims in each of the conflicts in the Balkans) and as one of the US troops that were fired up by the muslims in Northern Macedonia, I can assure you, you lack any real knowledge. You are even ignorant enough to lump all the Balkans into one entitiy as if it was a single conflict.

Since you seem to know all about us - you can argue with yourself for me.

AK-Lover
03-09-2004, 06:41 PM
EYE SPY, shut the **** up! Were you born in the balkans, did you ever visit the balkans or did you ever fight there! Dude WTF are you talking about! The albanians getting revenge on serbs! The albanians were the ones who started the problem in the 80's by trying to force out ANYBODY (christians,serbs,bulgarians,gypsies,jews etc,) whoever lived in kosovo they wanted out. then they started up again by killing police officers with wives and children you sick mother****er! burning serbs homes and killing and threatining them! bulgarians were threatened, gypsies were killed. And because they received funding from CIA and Al-Qaida they were able to create a whole terrorist organization! Man I bet if you guys could've predicted 9/11 you would've been like "yes the KLA is an terrorist organization who is killing innocent people so we are going to help Yugoslavia eradicate them and put them to justice". And all you guys saying we served in the balkans WTF did you serve as, peacekeepers? That has nothing to do with the war since you guys didn't do much to help the people did you? And all these talks of murders, gee we "murdered" the people (KLA) who were part of organization that would kill 3000 of our people 2 years after, man thanks for bombing us while we were fighing terrorists. And maybe the only people who should open there mouths abou this are people who were born there,fought there or just people who know WTF they are talking about (not including EYE SPY) who probably got all his info from sitting on the couch eating potato chips and watching CNN! :slap: I'm not even gonna get into this debate because it's just gonna turn into a flame war!

Sixgun Symphony
03-09-2004, 06:44 PM
The Croats were fighting the Serbs before the muslims in Bosnia decided to break away from Yugoslavia. At that time it was Germany that supported Slovenia and Croatia, the US was not involved at that time.

Bill Clinton got US into a war on Yugoslavia (Serbia) because the muslims were about to lose their war.

BTW, you do know that mujahadeen were going into the Balkans? Sure, many of the Bosnian muslims eat pork, but the Saudi's have alot of money and their charities bring missionaries. Looking at the original post on this thread, those muslim militants are a growing presence in the Balkans.

Anyway, some of these individuals here have been defenders of the faith. When one brings up the clash of civilizations and islamic immigration, these janissaries will usually jump into the conversation.

AK-Lover
03-09-2004, 07:09 PM
Yes there were actually quite alot of mujahadeen from all over the islamic world. Good thing my uncle got to kill some of them, they are worth less than my dog! :P

Sixgun Symphony
03-09-2004, 07:13 PM
Good man!

woot

EYE SPY
03-09-2004, 07:19 PM
EYE SPY, shut the f*** up! Were you born in the balkans, did you ever visit the balkans or did you ever fight there! Dude WTF are you talking about! The albanians getting revenge on serbs! The albanians were the ones who started the problem in the 80's by trying to force out ANYBODY (christians,serbs,bulgarians,gypsies,jews etc,) whoever lived in kosovo they wanted out. then they started up again by killing police officers with wives and children you sick f***! burning serbs homes and killing and threatining them! bulgarians were threatened, gypsies were killed. And because they received funding from CIA and Al-Qaida they were able to create a whole terrorist organization! Man I bet if you guys could've predicted 9/11 you would've been like "yes the KLA is an terrorist organization who is killing innocent people so we are going to help Yugoslavia eradicate them and put them to justice". And all you guys saying we served in the balkans WTF did you serve as, peacekeepers? That has nothing to do with the war since you guys didn't do much to help the people did you? And all these talks of murders, gee we "murdered" the people (KLA) who were part of organization that would kill 3000 of our people 2 years after, man thanks for bombing us while we were fighing terrorists. And maybe the only people who should open there mouths abou this are people who were born there,fought there or just people who know WTF they are talking about (not including EYE SPY) who probably got all his info from sitting on the couch eating potato chips and watching CNN! :slap: I'm not even gonna get into this debate because it's just gonna turn into a flame war!


Why dont you just STFU. Nobody believes your bull**** serb propaganda. It is well known who did what in the Balkans. Go **** yourself Ak-Lover/Serbian Boy

Haiw
03-09-2004, 07:24 PM
In the long list of "you know when you're a retard:"

328: When you cheer at serbian loverboy and even call him a 'good man!'

AK-Lover
03-09-2004, 07:24 PM
It's okay EYE SPY, we know it's bedtime for you know our little friend. :P :hug: