Once mighty, Russia's military in state of deterioration

[EYE SPY]

Once mighty, Russia's military in state of deterioration

By Mark McDonald

Inquirer Foreign Staff


MOSCOW - With sky-high popularity ratings virtually assuring his reelection next Sunday, there seemed to be little need for Russian President Vladimir V. Putin to stage a dramatic campaign stunt.

But there he was, all dressed up like a naval officer, standing on the swaying deck of a nuclear submarine in the frigid Barents Sea and ready to witness the firing of a ballistic missile.

Putin waited and waited on the deck of the submarine Arkhangelsk, but the missile was never fired.

The next day, Feb. 18, Putin tried again, this time dressed up as an officer in the Strategic Rocket Forces. A missile was launched but soon veered wildly off course and self-destructed after 98 seconds.

Not exactly the kind of campaign footage the Kremlin had in mind. An embarrassed Putin ordered investigations into what he called the "shortcomings."

Putin has made modernization of the military one of the priorities of his administration, but reforms have stalled, and the armed forces, once the only rival to the United States', have become a national embarrassment.

Gen. Anatoly Kvashnin, chief of the general staff, has called the situation "beyond critical."

Soldiers and officers are so demoralized and poorly paid that they often hold extra jobs or resort to extortion, corruption or theft. Chechen guerrillas hiding in the Caucasus mountains have more sophisticated Russian-made weapons than the Russian forces they are fighting.

The army can't afford the new T-95 tank, even though it's made by Russian contractors. The navy hasn't commissioned a new submarine in a dozen years.

Every branch of the military is in dire straits.

The remnants of the Soviet Navy rarely venture into blue water any more; most of the submarine fleet sits rusting in berths. The sinking of the nuclear sub Kursk in August 2000 cost 118 lives, and nine more sailors died last summer when another nuclear sub, the K-159, sank while being towed to a scrapyard.

There is so little housing for naval officers' families that wives and children are forced to live in old, dry-docked submarines.

"The navy is dying," said Adm. Eduard Baltin, the former commander of the Northern Fleet's nuclear submarines. "We already hear that there will soon be no oceangoing navy and that our coasts will be guarded by the [fast, lightly armed] so-called corvettes."

In the Air Force, pilots get barely a tenth of the necessary training time in the air, only a handful of hours per year, because of a lack of money for jet fuel. Russia's fleet of Tu-160 Blackjack long-range bombers was grounded for three months after one crashed in September.

The million-man army is blighted with alcohol abuse, defections, suicides, and hazing so brutal that it amounts to ritualized torture. Even grizzled senior officers were alarmed last spring when a member of the elite Kremlin Regiment was found in a toilet - inside the Kremlin - with his wrists slashed. He reportedly had been badly beaten, apparently by fellow soldiers.

The army is about to begin its annual conscription drive. Forty percent of last year's recruits were high school dropouts, 7 percent were felons, and only 30 percent were physically fit enough to undergo any field training. The rate of HIV infection among recruits is 27 times what it was five years ago.

"They come in drunk and disorderly, and there are no professional sergeants to train them or discipline them," said Pavel Felgenhauer, a military analyst in Moscow.

From the Philadelphia Inquirer

[Javehn]

Yea !! Let the might flames from hell arise ..
That's gonna be fun .

[UkrainianAmerican]

And? You got a point EYE spy?

[EYE SPY]

i dont need to have a point, this article says it all.

[Macs.]

Nothing new, eh ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

i dont need to have a point, this article says it all.
The point is you got beat up by some russian kid, and now you hold a grudge againt them...

[EYE SPY]

Yes thats exactly the point right.

Beat up by a Russian Kid? What are you on crack?

Anybody who gets beat up by a Russian kid in my neighborhood should never show his face anymore.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yes thats exactly the point right.

Beat up by a Russian Kid? What are you on crack?

Anybody who gets beat up by a Russian kid in my neighborhood should never show his face anymore.
And what neighborhood is that? Bensonhoyst? Naa, pussies dont live there.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

LOL, this article does not represent the entire history of the Russian Army or its people. But it does shed some light on how bad the Russian military has detioriated since the collapse of the USSR. They were great warriors during WW2 and I am sure that if the occassion rose again to defend the motherland, the Russians would do it again.

There have been many times in our (the US) military history where our equipment, morale, and men were an absolute joke.

P.S. Spetsnaz kicks ASS!!!

[Groove]

Why flame war ? That is the sad true. We dont need a flame war on this.

[EYE SPY]

the russian is trying to pick a fight. thats why they are trying to flame

An No, im not an Italian and i dont live in Bensonhurst. And if you wanna talk about Neighborhoods, the bronx is full of a bunch of panty wastes.

[UkrainianAmerican]

the russian is trying to pick a fight. thats why they are trying to flame

An No, im not an Italian and i dont live in Bensonhurst. And if you wanna talk about Neighborhoods, the bronx is full of a bunch of panty wastes.
Cant disagree with you about Bronx, but then again I am not a big admirer, so what neighborhood of brooklyn do you live in thats so tuff?
O, and i am not picking a fight with you because of the article, its probably true. I got a problem with your racist statements.

[Kenshin]

Nothing new, eh ?

the exact words.. nothing new and going down the drain.

Their standing ICBM's are a disaster waiting to happen.

[EYE SPY]

Northern Sheepshead Bay.

And if you wanna talk about my "racist" comments why dont u start another thread instead of starting a flame war on this thread.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Northern Sheepshead Bay.

And if you wanna talk about my "racist" comments why dont u start another thread instead of starting a flame war on this thread.
Is that Irish by any chance?

[16 OBr SpN]

Putin has made modernization of the military one of the priorities of his administration, but reforms have stalled, and the armed forces, once the only rival to the United States', have become a national embarrassment.

National embarassment? What the **** does he know about army? Typical journalist/prostitute mindset.


Soldiers and officers are so demoralized and poorly paid that they often hold extra jobs or resort to extortion, corruption or theft. Chechen guerrillas hiding in the Caucasus mountains have more sophisticated Russian-made weapons than the Russian forces they are fighting.

And what would those "sophisticated Russian-made weapons" be, considering tactical theater in which the chechens are operating?? :lol:
Again, the guy doesn't WTF he's talking about.


The army can't afford the new T-95 tank, even though it's made by Russian contractors. The navy hasn't commissioned a new submarine in a dozen years.

T-95 is undergoing intensive field tests. From the start of the project it was said to be commissioned no earlier than 2005.
March 21, 2001 - brand new K-335 "Gepard" (Project 971M; Akula II), nuclear submarine is commissioned by Northern Fleet.
Again, the author doesn't know WTF he's talking about!


Every branch of the military is in dire straits.
Wishful thinking... :lol:


There is so little housing for naval officers' families that wives and children are forced to live in old, dry-docked submarines.

This is BULL****!



Russia's fleet of Tu-160 Blackjack long-range bombers was grounded for three months after one crashed in September.

So what's his point on this? If I remember correctly, NASA had grounded all Shuttles, after the tragedy with Columbia? Does that mean that NASA is in crisis? :lol:


"They come in drunk and disorderly, and there are no professional sergeants to train them or discipline them," said Pavel Felgenhauer, a military analyst in Moscow.

I wonder who comes in "drunk and disorderly"??
With these kinds of "analysts" giving out interviews, we don't even need PsyOps/Disinformation Directorate in GRU! He's doing a good job by himself!! :lol:

Anyways, the article is another lame attempt to feed bull**** to some Americans. Why is it when I read the foreign articles, it's 99% anti-Russian, with malevolence for each tragedy that happens!!! I still remember noticing it while reading American articles after the Kursk tragedy, and Nord-Ost! The ****ers were making fun of those tragedies!!
Some American journalists don't have any sense of human compassion! They are nothing but filthy scumbags!

[Flagg]

There have been many times in our (the US) military history where our equipment, morale, and men were an absolute joke.

Agreed Army Cadet.....post Vietnam 1970's transition from conscription to professional military was a challenge for the US.....and the sky didn't fall like many predicted at the time.

It would appear the Russians are facing a much greater challenge at the moment....

Think about it.....their world turned upside down with the drastic change from communism to a free market economy.....

But as the Russian economy expands and they can comfortably afford to spend more funds to train and field a world-class professional military..they'll be back on the world stage...preferably(and I think likely) as an ally.......

[UkrainianAmerican]

16 obr spn, please do not flatter EYE spy with the compliment of being average.

[16 OBr SpN]

16 obr spn, please do not flatter EYE spy with the compliment of being average.

You're right he's definitely not an average American! ;) :lol:
I'll edit my post.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[EYE SPY]

if its ignorance your implying

id say its better to be an ignorant average american,

than to be an average russian in denial.

[Javehn]

yes , 16 obr spn have no idea what he is talking about , and he is in denial . This poor and drunk Russian somehow have internet , and Mers 600 (а откуда ? Advisor ? ;) ) .

[Kenshin]

Military of Russia
From Wikipedia

Military of Russia
Military manpower
Military age 18 years of age
Availability males age 15-49: 38,825,113 (2000 est.)
Fit for military service males age 15-49: 30,294,374 (2000 est.)
Reaching military age annually 1,195,916 (2000 est.)
Military expenditures
Dollar figure n/a
Percent of GDP n/a

Since the breakup of the U.S.S.R., the Russians have discussed rebuilding a viable, cohesive fighting force out of the remaining parts of the former Soviet armed forces. A new Russian military doctrine, promulgated in November 1993, implicitly acknowledges the contraction of the old Soviet military into a regional military power without global imperial ambitions. In keeping with its emphasis on the threat of regional conflicts, the doctrine calls for a Russian military that is smaller, lighter, and more mobile, with a higher degree of professionalism and with greater rapid deployment capability. Such a transformation has proven difficult.

The challenge of this task has been magnified by difficult economic conditions in Russia, which have resulted in reduced defense spending. This has led to training cutbacks, wage arrears, and severe shortages of housing and other social amenities for military personnel, with a consequent lowering of morale, cohesion, and fighting effectiveness. The poor combat performance of the Russian armed forces in the Chechen conflict in part reflects these breakdowns.

The Russian military is divided into the following branches: Ground Forces, Navy, Air Force, and Strategic Rocket Forces. The available manpower for the various branches of the Russian armed forces was estimated at 38.9 million in 2001. According to Russian reports, in FY 2002, there will be about a 40% increase in arms procurement spending. However, even this increase is not enough to make up for the budget shortfalls of the previous decade. Russia's struggling arms producers will, therefore, intensify their efforts to seek sales to foreign governments.

About 70% of the former Soviet Union's defense industries are located in the Russian Federation. A large number of state-owned defense enterprises are on the brink of collapse as a result of cuts in weapons orders and insufficient funding to shift to production of civilian goods, while at the same time trying to meet payrolls. Many defense firms have been privatized; some have developed significant partnerships with United States firms.




The Future of Russia's Military
By James Henderson for the Russia Project
Russia's military has lagged far behind the transition process Russia embarked upon in 1992. While political and economic reforms have gone forward with positive results for the most part, the effort to reform Russia's military has largely stagnated. However, the need for military reform is great. Financially, the Russian economy cannot support a military the size Russia has currently deployed. There is increasing political pressure from the government for the military to begin the reform process to alleviate financial burdens and begin the process of professionalizing itself. Finally, the military needs to reform because its Cold War posture does not adequately reflect the security threats it faces in a post-September 11 world.

Russia's Economic Realities

One of the most critical factors behind the need for military reform is the economic situation in Russia. In the Soviet era, military spending was estimated to be a commanding 25 percent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP). Since the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of 1991, that percentage has fallen dramatically to 9.6 percent of GDP in 1994 and to 5.1 percent of GDP in 1999.1 This dramatic decrease in defense spending is welcome, but still far higher than the Russian economy can bear as it continues on its economic transition process. As an example, the United States in 1999 had roughly 1.3 million2 soldiers in its military and a GDP of about $9.3 trillion3, while Russia had over one million soldiers in 1999 with a GDP of $182 billion.5 Furthermore, the average Russian soldier is woefully underpaid, poorly equipped, and lives in substandard housing. This is most graphically illustrated in the attached graph that measures military spending per soldier based on 1999 data. The United States spends approximately $200,000 per soldier, and Germany spends roughly half of that amount at $98,000. Turkey is even further behind at $16,000 per soldier, and Russia spends $9,000 per soldier. The data in this chart questions the ability of the Russian economy to maintain the present size of its military and still have a viable fighting force. For Russia to increase spending per soldier to the parity of Turkey, much less Germany, it would have to massively increase defense spending—at the cost of other programs and the economic reform process—or drastically cut the number of soldiers in the armed forces, resulting in the possibility of greater unemployment. Clearly, either of these options could have negative economic and political consequences on Russia as a whole.

Political Pressures
In addition to economic pressures, the Russian military is also facing mounting political pressure to reform. President Vladimir Putin has called for a leaner modernized fighting force that could be rapidly deployed in the event of a security crisis. In addition, the Russian Duma is also calling for greater information from the military on its spending and is beginning to take a more active role in oversight of the military. However, there is much resistance within the Russian military to Putin's vision. This was most graphically demonstrated in the argument between Defense Minister Marshal Igor Sergeyev and the chief of the general staff, Army General Anatoly Kvashnin. Sergeyev, who spent most of his service career in the Strategic Rocket Forces, argued that Russia's military priority was to keep a large modern strategic nuclear capability to safeguard Russia and to maintain its world power status. Kvashnin, on the other hand, argued that a large army, centered on conventional forces, was essential to guard against the threat of NATO expansion and religious extremism on Russia's periphery. While these represent two different approaches toward two different perceptions of Russia's potential security threats, they are common in terms of still relying on a large military structure that would be economically untenable in present or even near-term Russia. Finally, the political will to force fundamental reform on the military may be only skin deep. A majority of the officer corps in the military would rather live in poor housing and receive late wages than face the uncertainty of leaving the military and entering the workforce. Thus, faced with potentially large numbers of unemployed military officers, both the military and the political leadership may be more content with the status quo.

New Security Threats
If the Russian military was unprepared to face the new security threats posed by the post-Cold War world, it is even more unprepared for the threats it now faces since September 11. The two wars in Chechnya demonstrated to the Russian military that its wars in the future will not be the wars it planned, prepared, and trained for during the Cold War. Furthermore, the post-September 11 world has convinced all but the most strident anti-Western political and military leaders that the most profound threats Russia faces are not from the United States or NATO. Rather, they lie in unstable regions that border Russia's periphery, primarily in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Russia's relations with the West, particularly with the United States, have fundamentally changed following September 11. The summit in Crawford, Texas, between Presidents Bush and Putin and the recent meeting between Putin and NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson are examples of Russia's new relationship with the West. Given these changes, Russia's military needs to reform accordingly in order to field a viable force to guarantee Russia's security against these new threats. In addition, given the strides the United States has undertaken in integrating high-tech communications, weaponry, and training into its military operations, Russia must take action quickly lest it continue to fall further behind the United States and the West. In order to have a twenty-first-century military, Russia desperately needs to undertake reforms to establish a smaller, better-trained force.

A Crucial Element to Russia's Successful Transition
Although reform of Russia's military will be painful, it is crucial both for the success of Russia's transition process as well as for the security of the United States. Russia is unable to afford its military at its present size. It needs to undertake fundamental restructuring that drastically reduces its size and makes it an effective, modernized fighting force. While the short-term costs of restructuring will be high, the long-term payoff as a result of reform will be greater. Furthermore, a smaller military will lessen the burden on the economy and will help push the economic transition process forward. Finally, reform of the Russian military is also important to the security of the United States. A smaller, better-trained, and better-equipped fighting force will more effectively ensure Russia's security and regional stability. Plus, a smaller professionalized force would enhance political stability, since officers who are better paid and trained will decrease the likelihood of political crisis.

1. "Defence Expenditure and Size of Armed Forces of NATO and Partner Countries," NATO Review, Autumn 2001, p. 34.
2. Ibid.
3. "Current-Dollar and Real Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2000," Bureau of Economic Analysis, US Department of Commerce.
4. "Defence Expenditure and Size of Armed Forces of Nato and Partner Countries," NATO Review, Autumn 2001, p. 34.
5. "Key Economic Indicators, April 2001," Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics and East European Economies.

[16 OBr SpN]

yes , 16 obr spn have no idea what he is talking about , and he is in denial . This poor and drunk Russian somehow have internet , and Mers 600 (а откуда ? Advisor ? ;) ) .

No, I'm just a businessman, who travels A LOT. ;)
And the Merc is not S600, it's G500 ;)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Javehn]

Crap. Well , i have Rover 800 , and i ain't no bussiness man .
Just capitalist . :)

[UkrainianAmerican]

yes , 16 obr spn have no idea what he is talking about , and he is in denial . This poor and drunk Russian somehow have internet , and Mers 600 (а откуда ? Advisor ? ;) ) .

No, I'm just a businessman, who travels A LOT. ;)
And the Merc is not S600, it's G500 ;)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Pff tg 500
Crappy, cheapass car. Only drunks drive that. rofl
(sarcasm)

[16 OBr SpN]

if its ignorance your implying

id say its better to be an ignorant average american,

than to be an average russian in denial.

Here is a quote from your article:

"The navy hasn't commissioned a new submarine in a dozen years."

Here are some links:
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200112/05/eng20011205_85973.shtml

Here is an excerpt from another article (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/akula/)
"Three Akula II submarines, with hull length extended by 4m and advanced machinery quietening technology, have been built. The first, Viper, was commissioned in 1995, the second, Nerpa, in December 2000 and the third, Gepard, in August 2001."
Apparently, the author of your article didn't do his homework! Or the guy definitely has some math issues!! rofl
Now, do you seriously think that we can believe anything he stated?

Who's in denial?!! :lol:

[Javehn]

Kill him !!! :lol:

[EYE SPY]

if its ignorance your implying

id say its better to be an ignorant average american,

than to be an average russian in denial.

Here is a quote from your article:

"The navy hasn't commissioned a new submarine in a dozen years."

Here are some links:
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200112/05/eng20011205_85973.shtml

Here is an excerpt from another article (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/akula/)
"Three Akula II submarines, with hull length extended by 4m and advanced machinery quietening technology, have been built. The first, Viper, was commissioned in 1995, the second, Nerpa, in December 2000 and the third, Gepard, in August 2001."
Apparently, the author of your article didn't do his homework! Or the guy definitely has some math issues!! rofl
Now, do you seriously think that we can believe anything he stated?

Who's in denial?!! :lol:


SO this is MY Article and this is MY Author.

Jesus Christ. Just because i post someone else's article doesnt mean I am taking the credit for him.

I see the Russians still have a tough time understanding capitalism and property ownership? Yes this is MY AUTHOR, I trained him.


I think the author of this article is on the money about the Russian military, even though his facts are skewed.

While russia might have commissioned a few submarines, its only a drop in the bucket compared to all the subs that have been decommisioned, scrapped, or sunk.

same goes for the rest of the military.

the Abakan is a new razzle tazzle rifle, but russia cannot field it to the army.

the t-95 is new, but the Russians cannot field to their forces in any serious numbers.

[16 OBr SpN]

I think the author of this article is on the money about the Russian military, even though his facts are skewed.
What is the difference between the truth and lies?? Facts. When facts are "skewed" then there is serious doubt about the credibility, don't you think? :lol:


the Abakan is a new razzle tazzle rifle, but russia cannot field it to the army.

We will not field it because it doesn't fully comply with the Army requirements. I've tested the rifle several times, and didn't quite like it. Why don't you learn something about the subject before posting nonsense like that.


the t-95 is new, but the Russians cannot field to their forces in any serious numbers.

Have you read my reply? The tank is undergoing intensive field tests. It's not supposed to be commissioned until 2005.
BTW, What do you mean by "serious numbers"?? WTF are you talking about? None of us has even seen that tank yet!! rofl

[Kilgor]

can the russian nationalists answer us ....

Just what state is the Russian military In ?

:roll:

[Russian Texan]

EYE SPY, why did you post it if not to start another flame war?

The article is a complete BS designed to be consumed and digested by the uneducated and the gullible in the western countries....
Unfortunately nowadays the media is not in a business of informing but in a business of creating sensations, and quite frequent - sensations out of nothing.
Think about it, if the author of that article would have wrote that things in Russia are just fine and are getting better every day, would this sell as well as that BS you quoted? Not really... Media people want to be popular and negativity seems to attract the most attention nowadays.

There already was a similar thread somewhere on this board about failed ICBM launch and people got pretty exited about mishaps of the Rus military, but for some reason everyone didn't notice the successes of the same exercise: a military satelite that was launched to simulate the replacement of the one that got shot down, Topol-M hitting a target several thousan miles away and the higlight:
http://www.gazeta.ru/print/2004/02/19/oa_112610.shtml
put this article in the translator, whip and kiss the proposed missile defense system good buy...

If you want to have any credibility - you have to be objective.
At this point there are only 2 possibilities:
1. You are provocateur that posted this to start a flame war.
2. You are a gullible, closed minded person that believes everything he or she hears without questioning.
So which one are you?

To 16 OBrSpN:
Sir, paying any attention and arguing with people like the originator of this thread is way below your level...
People always believe what they want to believe and unfortunately most of them are hard headed/incapable of learning.
So please stop wasting you time and energy trying to "explain colors to the blind", your time will be much better spent on those who are open minded and are willing to listen, learn and think.

Do what I do: go to the off topic section and check out personal pics thread, put faces on names...
For me it is simple: Would I ever, in real life, care what some teenager thinks or argue with him?....

With utmost Respect, Dmitry

[RomanS]

Sorry for Russian. In English I would be baned for this kind of talk

Братцы.

Что вы перед этим пидором оправдываетесь? EYE SPY самый опиздохуевшый ебанашка каких можно найти. По его ебучим страданиям сразу понятно что етот чмошник скорее всего не раз получал по еблу от наших пацанов в Бруклине.

А не дай бог ещё и девушки нашы ему в яйку ткнули каблуком. Я не сомневаюсь что этот распиздяй сыкло и скорее всего был отпизден Русскими имигрантами за свой поганый язык.

RussianAmerican, если ты с ним рядом по району, забей этому гандону стрелу. Ты прикинь какой будет позор если пидор не придет, или начнет отмазы катить. А есле придет, то бля ебни ему по башне при всех, а потом скажи что так и было.

Я раньше долго терпел его подьебки, наезды но кончаются силы и терпение.
Ребят, вы извините за мат и язык, но бля уже серьезно он заебал.

[Macs.]

Jeez, just look at photos from Chechenya and you see how "good" the equipment of the russian army is.

[RomanS]

Jeez, just look at photos from Chechenya and you see how "good" the equipment of the russian army is.

ANother dill weed !


What is wrong with our equipment? The same reliability kicked Nazis in WW2. Gee I remember photos of German troops walking with PPShs and SVTs.

[Russian Texan]

Jeez, just look at photos from Chechenya and you see how "good" the equipment of the russian army is.

Jeez, just look look at photos from Chechya and see how tough russian army and equipment is...
Jealous? ;)

[Kilgor]

Im not going to ever claim im a expert on the russian military.
But you dont go from 25% of GDP down to less than 5% without some major pain. And remembering 5% of GDP of a ravaged economy too.

[Russian Texan]

Im not going to ever claim im a expert on the russian military.
But you dont go from 25% of GDP down to less than 5% without some major pain. And remembering 5% of GDP of a ravaged economy too.

So who is arguing that it is as powerfull as it used to be?
Of course it is not!
It is not what it used to be but it also not what is portrayed in that article...
The low point for the Russian military were mid nineties and ever since it has been on the way up.

Actually I would really appreciate if 16 OBrSpN could give us complete, no media BS, true, real life scoop on the modern day Russian military.

[RomanS]

Im not going to ever claim im a expert on the russian military.
But you dont go from 25% of GDP down to less than 5% without some major pain. And remembering 5% of GDP of a ravaged economy too.

I still don't understand the bull ****.

Money or no money

50000000 of AKs or 50000

70000 T72s or 7000
1000 of Sukhoi an Mikoyan or 100


TRY TO TAKE RUSSIA !


History is stronger than any journalist from CA

No country can take over Russia and our people. No country can roll in and liberate us from anything. No nation can send their troops to change us.

its been done before many times. Almost every 50 years.

No matter how poor, or how rusty our tanks, we will **** anyone up who tries to touch us!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.urbannet.ru/publik/photo/nevsky.jpg


http://www.artenamels.com/pics/enam/min/suvorov.jpg

http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/images/zhukov.jpg

http://www.portraitartist.com/babailov/kalashnikov.jpg

http://www.aha.ru/~sslips43/volgograd.jpg

http://www.armscontrol.ru/course/rsf/pics/topol-m.jpg

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/soyuz-day-pad-bg.jpg


We might bleed in other places, but if you come to our home -

may who ever your God is HELP YOU

[Dmitri]

Что вы перед этим пидором оправдываетесь? EYE SPY самый опиздохуевшый ебанашка каких можно найти. По его ебучим страданиям сразу понятно что етот чмошник скорее всего не раз получал по еблу от наших пацанов в Бруклине.

А не дай бог ещё и девушки нашы ему в яйку ткнули каблуком. Я не сомневаюсь что этот распиздяй сыкло и скорее всего был отпизден Русскими имигрантами за свой поганый язык.

RussianAmerican, если ты с ним рядом по району, забей этому гандону стрелу. Ты прикинь какой будет позор если пидор не придет, или начнет отмазы катить. А есле придет, то бля ебни ему по башне при всех, а потом скажи что так и было.

Я раньше долго терпел его подьебки, наезды но кончаются силы и терпение.
Ребят, вы извините за мат и язык, но бля уже серьезно он заебал.
rofl rofl rofl
Haven't heard good old stuff like that in a long time.....
I completely agree with it by the way.......

[fred_engles]

Sorry for Russian. In English I would be baned for this kind of talk

[...]My Russian is not at all great, but if I'm reading that correctly, then yeah, you definitely would/should be banned for that. That's way over the line.

Just to clarify: If I'm reading that right, permskii is asking russianamerican to beat-up 'eye spy,' since they both live in brooklyn. Or am I just totally misreading it? Permskii...if what you said is something different, then my apologies in advance for misrepresenting your words. But I'm really pretty sure...

[RomanS]

Sorry for Russian. In English I would be baned for this kind of talk

[...]My Russian is not at all great, but if I'm reading that correctly, then yeah, you definitely would/should be banned for that. That's way over the line.

Just to clarify: If I'm reading that right, permskii is asking russianamerican to beat-up 'eye spy,' since they both live in brooklyn. Or am I just totally misreading it? Permskii...if what you said is something different, then my apologies in advance for misrepresenting your words. But I'm really pretty sure...

Fred go get yourself a mug of Bud or something.
This is not your business!

[EYE SPY]

Isnt that typical of the Russians,

They start harrassing me, and they have the nerve of accusing me of starting a flame war.

permskii, your a coward. What purpose does it accomplish if you rant to me in Russian. Do you think you have done anyhting. For all i care its just a load of jibberish.

Its just another example of you posturing to your crowd without having to say anything meaningful.


Whats the point of cursing in Russian other than showing to everyone that you are a chicken****, and you cant say it to my face, or even online.

When your russian compatriots in brighotn beach talk to me and ask me directions, I say "I dont speak your ****en language and stop assuming that everyone here speaks your dumbass language" this is usually responded with a long tirade of curses, i assume, cuz its still in russian, againd negating all the purpose of telling someone how you feel.

Seriously, Permskii you are a Retard.

Do you even realize how ridiculous you look by posting that Russian Script crap. :roll:

[Kilgor]

Does anyone have a report from janes on the state of the russian military ?

[RomanS]

Isnt that typical of the Russians,

They start harrassing me, and they have the nerve of accusing me of starting a flame war.

permskii, your a coward. What purpose does it accomplish if you rant to me in Russian. Do you think you have done anyhting. For all i care its just a load of jibberish.

Its just another example of you posturing to your crowd without having to say anything meaningful.

You sir are a douchebag, just like every russian in new york.

Whats the point of cursing in Russian other than showing to everyone that you are a chicken****, and you cant say it to my face, or even online.

When your russian compatriots in brighotn beach talk to me and ask me directions, I say "I dont speak your f*** language and stop assuming that everyone here speaks your dumbass language" this is usually responded with a long tirade of curses, i assume, cuz its still in russian, againd negating all the purpose of telling someone how you feel.

Seriously, Permskii you are a Retard.

And Russian American i am Turkish and Albanian. Two ethnic groups your folks fear in New York. And if you deny that fact, your just a bull**** artist and i dont even believe your Russian.

The Russians might cause fear in the Puerto Ricans and Dominicans at Coney Island and Brighton beach. But specifically the Albanians, and the Turks are not afraid of you scum.

Notice Permskii, i wrote that in English, i didnt do it in Albanian, Turkish or some other language.


Do you even realize how ridiculous you look by posting that Russian Script crap. :roll:


Say that to your face?

WOuld be my pleasure.

I'm 2000 miles away you Turkish-Albanian goat fuker

The Russians definately stomped your ass in NY, otherwise you wouldn't be so ****in dumb and post your bull**** here.

[Undo]

Normally, I would stay waaaay the hell away from a thread like this, but in this case I have to urge 16 Obr Spn, Flagg and the other sensible people around here just to walk away. I have seen other posts by this EYE SPY guy and if you look at his previous posts you will see that, whatever his real story is, he come across as a totally bigoted idiot. I would hate to see some of the people on this board that I have come to respect waste time arguing with that. You stated your case, Russian military isn't what soviet military was, but isn't what was portrayed in that article, either. This is propaganda, just like pravda is Russian propaganda.

Also, don't worry if people underestimate Russia. It is a tactical advantage for Russia. Saddam underestimated the US, look what he got.

[SeanAshi]

Fred go get yourself a mug of Bud or something.
This is not your business!
When its posted its everyones business, cold war is over...so lets all get along? :P Why does one country always have to be better then the other? why not equal? Our respective militarys make mistakes, no one is perfect, refering to United States in Aghanistan, Iraq, Russia in Checnya, Israel in Palestinian territories, remember we are fighting the same thing Islamic terrorist.

[EYE SPY]

haha, russians stomped my ass. yeah thats nice. the only things russians do is walk around in Fubu's and expensive sweatpants. Dance to their awful techno. and engage in any number of credit card, or other electronic related scams.


Your a chicken ****. You wouldnt say anything to my face if i was two feet away from you.

You cant even send your threats online in English. Care to translate your Russian Crap for all the members.


Anybody who accuses me as a bigot or a flame instigator needs to get their heads checked.

Read everydamn post from beginning to the end. You will see, that it is RussianAmerican who launched the opening salvo.

What the hell is up with the people on the board. A few Russian "Commandos" post some pictures, tell a few stories and now your all gaga over these characters.

[Dmitri]

Notice Permskii, i wrote that in English, i didnt do it in Albanian, Turkish or some other language.


Do you even realize how ridiculous you look by posting that Russian Script crap.
Your dumb ass doesn't have anyone to talk, at least on this thread, in those languages..... If I had some plans in NY I would personally get the adress from you, and in a neat and clean fashion stump a ****hole in you just for being such an idiot!! And the only reason Permskii wrote in Russian, just like he said, is that he doesn't want to get banned....

[Apogee]

Sorry for Russian. In English I would be baned for this kind of talk

Братцы.

Что вы перед этим пидором оправдываетесь? EYE SPY самый опиздохуевшый ебанашка каких можно найти. По его ебучим страданиям сразу понятно что етот чмошник скорее всего не раз получал по еблу от наших пацанов в Бруклине.

А не дай бог ещё и девушки нашы ему в яйку ткнули каблуком. Я не сомневаюсь что этот распиздяй сыкло и скорее всего был отпизден Русскими имигрантами за свой поганый язык.

RussianAmerican, если ты с ним рядом по району, забей этому гандону стрелу. Ты прикинь какой будет позор если пидор не придет, или начнет отмазы катить. А есле придет, то бля ебни ему по башне при всех, а потом скажи что так и было.

Я раньше долго терпел его подьебки, наезды но кончаются силы и терпение.
Ребят, вы извините за мат и язык, но бля уже серьезно он заебал.

I don't remeber learning some of those words in my Russian class here ;)

[RomanS]

Fred go get yourself a mug of Bud or something.
This is not your business!
When its posted its everyones business, cold war is over...so lets all get along? :P Why does one country always have to be better then the other? why not equal? Our respective militarys make mistakes, no one is perfect, refering to United States in Aghanistan, Iraq, Russia in Checnya, Israel in Palestinian territories, remember we are fighting the same thing Islamic terrorist.

Agreed

but this eye spy assgoat does it on purpose. With his sick mind, he probably loves the terrorists, and can't wait for that miracle day when Russia and USA fights a war.

He always starts with his flames, but his preveious post how he wishes every Russian soldier to have their throats slit, did it for me.

It pisses me off that I live 2000 miles away, and it is illegal to kill humans.

But i'm sure he has no balls to go in to the nearest Russian club or place similar, and say all that.

I hate muslim terrorists with all my guts, blood and heart. I can't just get up and go to CHechnya to fight them, many reasons including health.

But i do help my brothers with money, gear and other luxiries to fight the same scum as Eye Spy.

How are you proving your cause Eye Spy?

[Undo]

haha, russians stomped my ass. yeah thats nice. the only things russians do is walk around in Fubu's and expensive sweatpants. Dance to their awful techno. and engage in any number of credit card, or other electronic related scams.


Your a chicken ****. You wouldnt say anything to my face if i was two feet away from you.

You cant even send your threats online in English. Care to translate your Russian Crap for all the members.

You really dont have any idea about what goes on in New York do you.

Russians dont mess with the Albanians or the Turks. And if you deny that, then everything you say about any subject is doubtful.

Anybody who accuses me as a bigot or a flame instigator needs to get their heads checked.

Read everydamn post from beginning to the end. You will see, that it is RussianAmerican who launched the opening salvo.

What the hell is up with the people on the board. A few Russian "Commandos" post some pictures, tell a few stories and now your all gaga over these characters.

I have read more than enough of your posts, so I will let this be the last. Others come here and contribute photos and talk good military gouge. Your posts tend to consist of you calling everyone else an idiot and then talking about what a tough turkish albanian you are and how you could kick everyones ass. Pretty pathetic. I was actually surprised when this article popped up that it was you who posted it, as it was interesting. But, again, it quickly degenerated to you calling everyone pussies, talking about being a tough turkish albanian, etc. I hope you find a way to work through whatever it is you are dealing with that makes you so hostile and go on to contribute something useful to the world.

Out.

[EYE SPY]

Permskii spare me your stupid crap.

If you know anything about Turks, you would know that Turks

Hate, Absolutely Hate Arabs the most.

More than Greeks,
More than Armenians,
More than Kurds,

More than Russins or Serbs.

So please. dont try to equate me with an Arab Terrorist Sypathizer.

Personally, i thikn the US should have made up with Saddam with the condition that he wipe out Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, The UAE and Qatar, while promising the US cheap oil

That being said, my statement about All russian soldiers should get their throats cut was in response to a bigoted ignorant statement BY YOU. Perhaps you edited your statement afterward to make it seem like my outburst came from nowhere.


You want me to do somehting in a Russian Club or restuarant. Ok take your pick. How about Rasputins thats a common meeting area for all you Russkie wannabe Mafia. Would you like that.

The fact of the matter is. Even if the Chechen resistence is employing Arab Islamists, it doesnt mean that the Chechens are gonna keep these dingbat arabs after the Russians are booted out of Chechny

Its so lovely how Putin and all you Russians are trying to paint the Chechens as bloodthirsty arabsd, so that the rest of the world would try to believe your paper thin lies.

The Chechens are fighting for their freedom from Russia. Russia does not want to let Chechnya go, because it wants to prevent any oil piplines being built through the Caucus mountains. If such piplines were built, many Russian Oilmen with ties to Putin would lose Billions of dollars.


Get your facts straight. Alot of the people on this board are criminally ignorant of the realities of the world. Many of them are so because they dont have any ethnic link to the rest of the world. But mostly they are too young to understand what goes on in their community.

SO please, spare me your lies. I dont support the Islamist Arab terrorist scum, and your lame ass attempts at trying to convince the world that what You Russian Murderers are doing In Chechnya is the same thing that the USA is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[EYE SPY]

haha, russians stomped my ass. yeah thats nice. the only things russians do is walk around in Fubu's and expensive sweatpants. Dance to their awful techno. and engage in any number of credit card, or other electronic related scams.


Your a chicken ****. You wouldnt say anything to my face if i was two feet away from you.

You cant even send your threats online in English. Care to translate your Russian Crap for all the members.

You really dont have any idea about what goes on in New York do you.

Russians dont mess with the Albanians or the Turks. And if you deny that, then everything you say about any subject is doubtful.

Anybody who accuses me as a bigot or a flame instigator needs to get their heads checked.

Read everydamn post from beginning to the end. You will see, that it is RussianAmerican who launched the opening salvo.

What the hell is up with the people on the board. A few Russian "Commandos" post some pictures, tell a few stories and now your all gaga over these characters.

I have read more than enough of your posts, so I will let this be the last. Others come here and contribute photos and talk good military gouge. Your posts tend to consist of you calling everyone else an idiot and then talking about what a tough turkish albanian you are and how you could kick everyones ass. Pretty pathetic. I was actually surprised when this article popped up that it was you who posted it, as it was interesting. But, again, it quickly degenerated to you calling everyone pussies, talking about being a tough turkish albanian, etc. I hope you find a way to work through whatever it is you are dealing with that makes you so hostile and go on to contribute something useful to the world.

Out.

again spare me your crap

the only reason i was talking about being albanian and turkish, is cause these russian goons like permskii are so Proud of their murderous race

and RussianAmerican himself was asking me if i was some dumb guido from bensonhurst or if i was an Irishmen.

[RomanS]

haha, russians stomped my ass. yeah thats nice. the only things russians do is walk around in Fubu's and expensive sweatpants. Dance to their awful techno. and engage in any number of credit card, or other electronic related scams.


Your a chicken ****. You wouldnt say anything to my face if i was two feet away from you.

You cant even send your threats online in English. Care to translate your Russian Crap for all the members.

You really dont have any idea about what goes on in New York do you.

Russians dont mess with the Albanians or the Turks. And if you deny that, then everything you say about any subject is doubtful.

Anybody who accuses me as a bigot or a flame instigator needs to get their heads checked.

Read everydamn post from beginning to the end. You will see, that it is RussianAmerican who launched the opening salvo.

What the hell is up with the people on the board. A few Russian "Commandos" post some pictures, tell a few stories and now your all gaga over these characters.

I am not a commando. The photos you saw were real. We took most of them in Russia, when we visited my friends. Yes they are commandos, and believe me I would pay all the money I have to see you talk to them in person.

I don't know what are the funeral traditions in Albania or in Turkey, but with your mouth and ideas towards Russia you would be burried like a dog.

As for photos, nothing spectacular. Unlike NY, here in Arizona we are allowed to have assualt military rifles. I own many. AKs, Pistols, and my friends have a bunch too. We practice quite often for accuracy and as a hobby. We are not trying to show off anything when we take photos of our guns and those so called "commandos". We are practicing 2nd amendment, and are being very proud of it.

Like I said to you before. I live in Phoenix Arizona, near downtown. If you ever visit the Valley of the Sun, be sure to let me know. BE A MAN ABOUT IT TOO.

I don't give a **** if you are Eskimo-Guatemala-Kyrgiztanian, when you say **** like above, you deserve to get a dislocated jaw, and a fractured scull.

Even if this is internet, I stay with my words - that you are a pussy, and are affraid of Russians, and you are welcome to come here any time. Let me know, I will even provide a place.

[Flagg]

http://www.flash.net/~honchie/merchan/august/poopbook.jpg

;)

[RomanS]

http://www.flash.net/~honchie/merchan/august/poopbook.jpg

;)

LOL

Eye Spy is an author

[EYE SPY]

BE A MAN ABOUT IT?


i wonder, if i keep calling you out on your bull****, will you get all prissy and threaten to leave to your beloved russian dominated message boards again?

Well, part of the reason why we have such laws in New York, is so deviant cracked in the head Russians like yourself cant get firearms.

And please, dont talk about the US Constitution.I've studied it backwards and forwards. What are you trying to get the ignoramouses like Sixgun to join your side.

whats next, your gonna profess your admiration of Toby Keith and Coca Cola?

i think that desert sun is getting to your brain. messing with your brainwaves. perhaps causing you to be an even more irrational uber-russian.

burial like dogs? that is funny comming from someone whose nation state is Renown for butchering people, foreigners and thier own citizens like dogs. having them starve to death in labor camps. etc etc.

Hell i even remember a story about some russian villager executed for eating his neighbors dog



Hey, i offered my address awhile ago. i have since taken it down. Nobody accepted that challenge. So forget this nonsense that your gonna kick my ass. and if its anybodys head that will be smashed it will be yours,

Batter Up!

[fred_engles]

Why hasn't this trainwreck of a thread been locked?

Mods?

[ibstolidude]

Sorry for Russian. In English I would be baned for this kind of talk

Братцы.

Что вы перед этим пидором оправдываетесь? EYE SPY самый опиздохуевшый ебанашка каких можно найти. По его ебучим страданиям сразу понятно что етот чмошник скорее всего не раз получал по еблу от наших пацанов в Бруклине.

А не дай бог ещё и девушки нашы ему в яйку ткнули каблуком. Я не сомневаюсь что этот распиздяй сыкло и скорее всего был отпизден Русскими имигрантами за свой поганый язык.

RussianAmerican, если ты с ним рядом по району, забей этому гандону стрелу. Ты прикинь какой будет позор если пидор не придет, или начнет отмазы катить. А есле придет, то бля ебни ему по башне при всех, а потом скажи что так и было.

Я раньше долго терпел его подьебки, наезды но кончаются силы и терпение.
Ребят, вы извините за мат и язык, но бля уже серьезно он заебал.

к сожалению - я знаю риский
он дурак но мне уже достаточно

BOTH of you knock off this prattle -
You may be insulting
You may choose to disagree

Do NOT post threats of harm as both of you did. Let's be adults and knock this off before it is done for us.

You don't have to apologize or even be nice - BUT KNOCK OFF THE THREATS.

[EYE SPY]

i was wondering when you'd join the party.

[Flagg]

Hey, i offered my address awhile ago.

Not exatly a bright idea...as there are lots of way to mess with a person besides physically beating them....I suggest you keep it to yourself in the future



i have since taken it down.

Good idea....you should keep it down


Nobody accepted that challenge. So forget this nonsense that your gonna kick my ass. and if its anybodys head that will be smashed it will be yours,

Posturing like grade school kids pushing each other without actually throwing punches is just as tediously boring now as it was then......

EDIT<<<ibstoli beat me to it>>>EDIT

I'm not a MOD, but I think nearly everyone would be in agreement that sharing and defending opinions is great...insulting people in flame wars totally unrelated to the topic isn't......

Could everyone PLEASE keep to the thread or just shut the hell up?

I'd like to hear from current or recent serving folks from Russia about current/future state of affairs......

We get mass media news......they don't have military backgrounds/mindsets so they often get things embarrassingly wrong...I'd like to hear facts from people who are there..and not BS.

Cheers,

Flagg

[16 OBr SpN]

к сожалению - я знаю риский
он дурак но мне уже достаточно



Ibstolidude,
Wow, what an interesting surprise! :)
Where did you learn Russian?

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[ibstolidude]

Why hasn't this trainwreck of a thread been locked?

Mods?
Because I just read it.

[EYE SPY]

Hey flagg, isnt it lovely that everyone quotes my "childish" statements yet says nothing about the volleys levelled at me.

It is painfully obvious that everybody on this board is kissing Permskii's ass, along with his russian posse.

[EvanL]

Wait so RussianAmerican is supposed to be beating up eyespy?
No offence but RA goes to Bronx Science. Thats like saying Bill Gates can beat up the Rock.
I wouldnt rely on him for anything.
EYE SPY where in Brooklyn u at?
Im in morningside heights. The city.

[SeanAshi]

The Chechens are fighting for their freedom from Russia. Russia does not want to let Chechnya go, because it wants to prevent any oil piplines being built through the Caucus mountains. If such piplines were built, many Russian Oilmen with ties to Putin would lose Billions of dollars.
Chechens cannot justify what the do to captured Russian soldiers, Chechens are sub human savages, absolutely sick and disgusting when they murder and torture subdued Russian soldiers, same with the Palestinians nothing can justify them sending suicide/homicide bombers into Israel...Nothing.

[ibstolidude]

к сожалению - я знаю риский
он дурак но мне уже достаточно



Ibstolidude,
Wow, what an interesting surprise! :)
Where did you learn Russian?

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

где - в школе жизни - конечно - my font just sucks.

I have spoken it for 10 years. I also speak Serbian, Croatian, Ukrainian, all fairly decently - a fair bit of German and a very limited Persian Parsi ( I cannot read it) and the FFL troops with whom I worked taught me to swear like a sailor in French, but that is it. Just because I play a idiot on the internet, does not make one in real life.

take care.

[Flagg]

Hey flagg, isnt it lovely that everyone quotes my "childish" statements yet says nothing about the volleys levelled at me.

It is painfully obvious that everybody on this board is kissing Permskii's ass, along with his russian posse.

The way I see it......it's a Russian subject thread...how would you respond if it was a thread topic about something in your backyard and someone from 5000 KM away told you "how it is"?

Isn't it possible they have a lot more relevant information regarding the ground level facts than the sound bite mass media we see.

I'm here to try and learn(unfortunately, it's hard to find any facts when watching a bunch of monkeys fling poo at each other).

As far as people kissing Permskii's ass, what I see is a bunch of Russians and/or expatriate Russians proud of their country's military heritage....and the title article in the thread is far from flattering.

I've got a pretty good BS detector to decide what I think is fact and fiction...I also keep in my I possess only one mouth, but two ears...so I try to listen(read) at least twice as much as I speak(write).

Think about it, if the situation were reversed and the US was recovering from it's biggest economic and military crisis in 50 years and a Russian was "talking smack" how would you respond?

How would you expect all American forum members to respond?

Just like these guys are....

It doesn't make it right....but it is easy to see how this BS got going.

[stuntman]

Hey eyes spy one correction I can make!
The Russians might cause fear in the Puerto Ricanslargest minority and basicly people (In NYC) after anglo white Americans! Fear of Russians as a hole numerically impossible! Now one on one has to be judged on personal fighting skill! And if you know anything about Russians or Puerto Ricans living in NYC we are not usually raised in affluent neighborhoods so I would again leave it up to the individual.
But please do not mock our Russian friends for they have embraced democracy. Thier country is going thru a transformation and in due time will be on top with us (western world) hopefully as a ally. On Another note the news No matter what country is full of half truths, finding your own facts objectivly is a measure of real intelligence. Finnally Eyes spy is correct to feel the way he does, if remarks about his credibility are based on "A" report biased or unbiased then the rest of you have alot of learning to do! JMHO...

[16 OBr SpN]

I'd like to hear from current or recent serving folks from Russia about current/future state of affairs......

We get mass media news......they don't have military backgrounds/mindsets so they often get things embarrassingly wrong...I'd like to hear facts from people who are there..and not BS.

Cheers,

Flagg

The financing has been getting better.
In the case of Army, lots of financing goes towards battle units.
SpN and VDV units are being financed much better than before. If you compare the mid-90's and today, there is definitely a lot of progress. Nevertheless, the fincancing is still not enough.
Officers' housing issue had not yet been fully solved.
The other issue is still an underpay of officers. Some leave for private business, while others stay.
Re-organizations are still underway.
IMO, the biggest problem to take care of, is improving living conditions of our officers and their families.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[ibstolidude]

I am not yet locking this, unless the population has complaints.

Please keep it on some level of discussion of value.

For those that posted anything in violation of the Admin's rules - please edit your posts.

[Flagg]

IMO, the biggest problem to take care of, is improving living conditions of our officers and their families.

Like most places....taking care of the people seems to fall at the end of the list, after all, the shiny new toys can't be used without having the best quality, and best trained people.

[16 OBr SpN]

IMO, the biggest problem to take care of, is improving living conditions of our officers and their families.

Like most places....taking care of the people seems to fall at the end of the list, after all, the shiny new toys can't be used without having the best quality, and best trained people.

That's for sure.
For example, I personally don't understand why our army is trying to commission a new assault rifle to change the AK-74! I've tested many of those new toys and to be honest, I don't yet see any major improvements which make them worthy. But some generals are pushing the envelope. That money can, and has to be spent on welfare of officers.
There are many examples of absolute waste of money!!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[RomanS]

IMO, the biggest problem to take care of, is improving living conditions of our officers and their families.

Like most places....taking care of the people seems to fall at the end of the list, after all, the shiny new toys can't be used without having the best quality, and best trained people.

That's for sure.
For example, I personally don't understand why our army is trying to commission a new assault rifle to change the AK-74! I've tested many of those new toys and to be honest, I don't yet see any major improvements which make them worthy. But some generals are pushing the envelope. That money can, and has to be spent on welfare of officers.
There are many examples of absolute waste of money!!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

Amen to that Brother

I've shot many variations of Russian new Assualt rifles (accept Abakan), and I must say I still think AKM and AK-74M does the job with A+

Russia must be careful with over-financing though. We don't want to throw a large piece of cash on the table to build more lethal weapons. What we need to do first is to write a bill of rights, and imrpove our Civil Constitution.

Nobody's army will be perfect. Each country will have some sort of issues, its just Russian army is now recovering from the political brain farts.

When I visited my friends from Perm Division last summer with my American friends, I was proud to see the base well maintained and organized. The armour and weapons were locked and loaded in a above average condition.

Privates and fresh draftees did not look like they were abused, discriminated or physically damaged.

As for the Spetsnaz units - I took my friends to meet Spetsnaz BB and SOBR. They were as sharp as a kitana blade, and their weapons as usually rocked.

They did appreciate the American made goggles and elbow/knee pads. But I don't think Russian government should issue all those comfortble toys for everyone. We don't want to spoil our tough pitbulls with pillows and pijamas.

if you know what i mean

[stuntman]

We don't want to spoil our tough pitbulls with pillows and pijamas.
Please tell me you are kidding about this part! If your not I guess helmets and body armor must be sheets and throws to you?
Question, What body armor does the Russian military use? (Web site would be nice)
And do regular infantry use the same or is it like Here in US our standard for regual infantry, marines is Interceptor OTV while our special forces (Greenberrets, Recon, rangers ETC...) Use Rav, FSBE, RBA. or SPEAR?
THX!

[mustamato]

Hence the massive defence cuts here, Russia is not a threat anymore.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Hey flagg, isnt it lovely that everyone quotes my "childish" statements yet says nothing about the volleys levelled at me.

It is painfully obvious that everybody on this board is kissing Permskii's ass, along with his russian posse.

Well maybe people read the Russian members post's because they are well thought out and are always packed with usefull info and pictures, unfortuneatly I wish I could say the same about your posts. :roll:

[Elmo]

Posting pictures doesn't justify anything.

You can't threaten to crack someones skull and write insults in a language 90 percent of people don't understand. Truly pathetic.

What is this, a gang war of New York?

[16 OBr SpN]

Privates and fresh draftees did not look like they were abused, discriminated or physically damaged.

Depends on what units we talk about. Besides, much depends on the commanding officer. ;)


But I don't think Russian government should issue all those comfortble toys for everyone. We don't want to spoil our tough pitbulls with pillows and pijamas.

Actually giving them nice, and comfortable gear will not consider as "spoiling". I don't want our guys freezing themselves during winter, or messing up their feet with their ****ed up shoes.
For example, callosities, and fungus diseases is the bitch, you know ;) :(

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[mustamato]

As for the Spetsnaz units - I took my friends to meet Spetsnaz BB and SOBR. They were as sharp as a kitana blade, and their weapons as usually rocked.

They did appreciate the American made goggles and elbow/knee pads. But I don't think Russian government should issue all those comfortble toys for everyone. We don't want to spoil our tough pitbulls with pillows and pijamas.

if you know what i mean

rofl

NVG gear is a useful tool, not a toy. I takes training before they can be used
effectively. I know, I was issued a pair during my army days. I´m sure the
average Russian soldier that got issued one for the first time before a real combat
mission during a pitch black night would be so effective. Not.

[UkrainianAmerican]

BWAGHHHAHAHAHHA!
Eye spy I LIVE in an ALBANIAN neighborhood. What exactly is so terrifying?
I gotta admit Albanian Barbershops are better and more professional then russian ones. I even give tips. As for being afraid of Albaninians, I remember two years ago i was walking wiht my buddy on Pelham Parkway, and these 3 Albanian dudes started cursing....bla bla bla....it ended with 2 of em running away, and the other one with a broken jaw saying :I wil tell my brother"
LOL.
And thats the exact neighborhod where ABI (Albanian Boys Inc) supposedly operate.
But then I really dont hate albanians, most of the ones I know are decent, so I guess its your turkish part thats cuzing the problem.

[Elmo]

Once in downtown Helsinki I came across these two skinheads. They started to shout at me. They probably didn't like my long hair. I ran away. Boy, was I a coward!

[UkrainianAmerican]

Wait so RussianAmerican is supposed to be beating up eyespy?
No offence but RA goes to Bronx Science. Thats like saying Bill Gates can beat up the Rock.
I wouldnt rely on him for anything.
EYE SPY where in Brooklyn u at?
Im in morningside heights. The city.
Yeah, I go to bronx science.
So what?
Just because my IQ is higher then average doesnt mean I spend my time studying.
Just cuz u went to DWIGHT, dont be so jealous. :petting:

[Javehn]

So , no fightin for today ?? Damn it , that's not good .
I have an idea . If someone would set me a Visa , and a plain ticket to NYC , i would bit Eye Spy , and would have the time to visit Braython Bitch .

[mustamato]

BWAGHHHAHAHAHHA!
Eye spy I LIVE in an ALBANIAN neighborhood. What exactly is so terrifying?
I gotta admit Albanian Barbershops are better and more professional then russian ones. I even give tips. As for being afraid of Albaninians, I remember two years ago i was walking wiht my buddy on Pelham Parkway, and these 3 Albanian dudes started cursing....bla bla bla....it ended with 2 of em running away, and the other one with a broken jaw saying :I wil tell my brother"
LOL.
And thats the exact neighborhod where ABI (Albanian Boys Inc) supposedly operate.
But then I really dont hate albanians, most of the ones I know are decent, so I guess its your turkish part thats cuzing the problem.

And...



Im in morningside heights. The city.
Yeah, I go to bronx science.
So what?
Just because my IQ is higher then average doesnt mean I spend my time studying.
Just cuz u went to DWIGHT, dont be so jealous. :petting:

Great contradiction. You shouldn´t trust those Internet IQ-tests my friend.

[ibstolidude]

Posting pictures doesn't justify anything.

You can't threaten to crack someones skull and write insults in a language 90 percent of people don't understand. Truly pathetic.

What is this, a gang war of New York?



So , no fightin for today ?? Damn it , that's not good .
I have an idea . If someone would set me a Visa , and a plain ticket to NYC , i would bit Eye Spy , and would have the time to visit Braython Bitch .

The issue was addressed - let it die or take it up in private.

[Ichhabe]

Once in downtown Helsinki I came across these two skinheads. They started to shout at me. They probably didn't like my long hair. I ran away. Boy, was I a coward!

Once I was about 1.5 km from the Russian border. I looked towards Russia and shouted: Yeah!!? You don't look so tough from here. Bring it on!!!

Of course they did not. Whimps!!!

[Sergei]

Once in downtown Helsinki I came across these two skinheads. They started to shout at me. They probably didn't like my long hair. I ran away. Boy, was I a coward!

Once I was about 1.5 km from the Russian border. I looked towards Russia and shouted: Yeah!!? You don't look so tough from here. Bring it on!!!

Of course they did not. Whimps!!!

Let's see you cross the border and shout the same thing to the nearest body-guard and we will see who is a hero. :D :D :D
Run, Forest, run!

[Ichhabe]

Once in downtown Helsinki I came across these two skinheads. They started to shout at me. They probably didn't like my long hair. I ran away. Boy, was I a coward!

Once I was about 1.5 km from the Russian border. I looked towards Russia and shouted: Yeah!!? You don't look so tough from here. Bring it on!!!

Of course they did not. Whimps!!!

Let's see you cross the border and shout the same thing to the nearest body-guard and we will see who is a hero. :D :D :D
Run, Forest, run!

Why are there body guards guarding the Russian-Norwegian border? Are you afraid of us? Huh? Huh?? Huh???

Be alert or we will sneak in and snatch your country.... BWAHAHAHAHA

[UkrainianAmerican]

BWAGHHHAHAHAHHA!
Eye spy I LIVE in an ALBANIAN neighborhood. What exactly is so terrifying?
I gotta admit Albanian Barbershops are better and more professional then russian ones. I even give tips. As for being afraid of Albaninians, I remember two years ago i was walking wiht my buddy on Pelham Parkway, and these 3 Albanian dudes started cursing....bla bla bla....it ended with 2 of em running away, and the other one with a broken jaw saying :I wil tell my brother"
LOL.
And thats the exact neighborhod where ABI (Albanian Boys Inc) supposedly operate.
But then I really dont hate albanians, most of the ones I know are decent, so I guess its your turkish part thats cuzing the problem.

And...



Im in morningside heights. The city.
Yeah, I go to bronx science.
So what?
Just because my IQ is higher then average doesnt mean I spend my time studying.
Just cuz u went to DWIGHT, dont be so jealous. :petting:

Great contradiction. You shouldn´t trust those Internet IQ-tests my friend.
Um, the punks wanted some action and they got it.
As for my IQ why dont you ask new yorkers about the Bronx Science/Stuyvesant exam.

[Groove]

OT :lol: :


No, I'm just a businessman, who travels A LOT.
And the Merc is not S600, it's G500

I think some1 is missing this G500 in Germany ;)

And why no Lada ? They make great Off-Roaders as they are from Russia !

Greetings

Groove

[RomanS]

OT :lol: :


No, I'm just a businessman, who travels A LOT.
And the Merc is not S600, it's G500

I think some1 is missing this G500 in Germany ;)

And why no Lada ? They make great Off-Roaders as they are from Russia !

Greetings

Groove

UAZ is better

[Backis]

Once in downtown Helsinki I came across these two skinheads. They started to shout at me. They probably didn't like my long hair. I ran away. Boy, was I a coward!

So long as you run faster than your opponent, you will never loose a fight that way! ;)

[Sixgun Symphony]

Why flame war ? That is the sad true. We dont need a flame war on this.

Agreed,

But you know that Eye Spy is a punk-ass troll and he is looking to start ****.

[AK-Lover]

AGREED! :)

[Russian Texan]

http://www.mightyrighty.com/images/osama3.jpg


I just love your signature.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl