Chechnya. No comments

[TriggerHappy]

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[Hammaskillah]

maby add to the title Chechnya during the WAR times ?
I am sure there are still ruins in grozny but most of the trash have been removed and rebuilding is on it's way.

[TriggerHappy]

It is obvious that the images are not recent.
The images are from both wars.

[RomanS]

The photos above are from First Chechen war. Around 1995.

Here are first hand photos of what it looks like in Fall 2005

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[Jani.R]

http://www.mosnews.com/images/g/s130.shtml

http://www.iwpr.net/index.php?apc_state=henicrs&s=o&o=caucasus_grozny_photo_essay.html

http://weborto.net/files/filess/Grozny2006/


City of 400,000 people before the war, now only 40,000 are living there.

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Photos taken from url posted.

[~~~~]

awesome photos!


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well done, Ruskies!

[TriggerHappy]

Well I wasn't aiming out on how Grozny looked before and after.
I posted photos of people walking in deserted roads in lifeless cities.

[Schizo]

Oh no, another retard Pole...Oh no...God please save us!!!

[ed316]

These threads always turn south quick.

[Jani.R]

Well I wasn't aiming out on how Grozny looked before and after.
I posted photos of people walking in deserted roads in lifeless cities.

Can you post the pictures of chechnen insurgency? My Russia is reallyyy bad and i can't find anything intresting with google using english.

Thanks.

[~~~~]

City of 400,000 people before the war, now only 40,000 are living there.


360 000 terrorists? that's quite a lot...

[msnger]

wow nice pictures guys, amazing. hell on earth.

[Jani.R]

360 000 terrorists? that's quite a lot...

If you say so.

[nick_ua]

TriggerHappy
nice pics man

[G-Capo]

Nice images,It was Stalingrad with thermobaric bombs.

[Canuck Farrier]

tons of good photos here.http://www.pbase.com/igor01/chechnya

[jamaKinson]

Can anyone point me a direction to the site where I can find aerial photos of nowadays Grozny ?

[TR1]

Can anyone point me a direction to the site where I can find aerial photos of nowadays Grozny ?
use google earth. you can see oil fires. creepy ****.

[oregongrunt]

I enjoyed looking at your pictures.

[Jani.R]

Can anyone point me a direction to the site where I can find aerial photos of nowadays Grozny ?

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gazette/gazeteer1.asp?vPlacename=grozny&vState=%25&vCountry=%25&go.x=0&go.y=0

[Groove]

im surely not a friend of chechen muslem fanatics but why russians had to destroy this city so much ?

[jamaKinson]

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gazette/gazeteer1.asp?vPlacename=grozny&vState=%25&vCountry=%25&go.x=0&go.y=0
I'm afraid link doesn't work for me. And gogle maps loads very slowly now for me. I'll take a nap and try tomorrow.

[MEGR]

im surely not a friend of chechen muslem fanatics but why russians had to destroy this city so much ?

For redecoration of course.

[RomanS]

im surely not a friend of chechen muslem fanatics but why russians had to destroy this city so much ?

Chechens were complaining that Grozny looked outdated. So Russian construction Ministery had to come and reconstruct. Right now they are in pre-production stage.

[TriggerHappy]

Can you post the pictures of chechnen insurgency? My Russia is reallyyy bad and i can't find anything intresting with google using english.

Thanks.

I have tons of Chechen war of all aspect.
It is one of the most interesting conflict and that is why i collect images.
I am afraid that if create a thread with the specific subject it will end up a flame war.
Not to mention that I will put myself in the middle of accusations and other troubles.

[Roy Batty]

Stunning pictures Trigger.

[Alan]

im surely not a friend of chechen muslem fanatics but why russians had to destroy this city so much ?

Without resorting to politics, can you honestly name me another way to flush out thousands of armed terrorists from a large city where they can use any structure and resource available without interference from anybody?

End point, it wasn't done out of malice, it's war. There was no other way. The caucassus is not a friendly place.

[RomanS]

I have tons of Chechen war of all aspect.
It is one of the most interesting conflict and that is why i collect images.
I am afraid that if create a thread with the specific subject it will end up a flame war.
Not to mention that I will put myself in the middle of accusations and other troubles.

Check with mods if its ok to post photos of Chechen terrorists.
Insurgency or not, they are illegally organized, and not recognized by the Geneva Convention.

[Roy Batty]

Insurgency or not, they are illegally organized, and not recognized by the Geneva Convention.

Same could be said for the Viet Cong but I don't see anyone bitching if pics of them are posted.

[RomanS]

Same could be said for the Viet Cong but I don't see anyone bitching if pics of them are posted.

Viet Cong didnt blow up children in schools, tried to blow up innocent people in theaters, maternity hospitals, blowing up subways, and apartment buildings, concerts and WW2 military parades.

[TriggerHappy]

Check with mods if its ok to post photos of Chechen terrorists.
I checked.
It is ok.
But I mentioned the reasons.

Insurgency or not, they are illegally organized,
That is how rebellions starts.
If we went by those rules then we would have quite a lot of "illegal" countries.

not recognized by the Geneva Convention.
Don't know anything about that.

[G-Capo]

Come on guys,This is a military-photo site.I posted images of FARC and AUC with no problem.

Post away,I have only seen one or two images of the Chechen fighters.

[Roy Batty]

Viet Cong didnt blow up children in schools, tried to blow up innocent people in theaters, maternity hospitals, blowing up subways, and apartment buildings, concerts and WW2 military parades.

They most certainly did blow up theaters and restaruants in Saigon. Add to that the fact that they murdered all manner of women and children in "retaliation" for working with or supporting the Americans and I would say that they qualify. Or do you consider them to be ok because they were supported by the USSR rather than against them? If your going to start painting then you better use the same brush on everyone.

[A_V_8_R]

These threads always turn south quick.
"sigh" How true :-(


The landscape and buildings really illustrate the mind boggling amount or ordnance used in any conflict. Absolutely unbeleivable that that many rounds could be used.

[G-Capo]

"sigh" How true :-(

Welcome to the forum :)

[Hukatus]

Check with mods if its ok to post photos of Chechen terrorists.
Insurgency or not, they are illegally organized, and not recognized by the Geneva Convention.amazing how you are afraid to take a look at your enemy and accept it's excistance. hideing your head under sand is not the solution.
but if someone posts phootos about some rebels from africa toting their AK's and running around with rpg's then there are no complaints. and we all know they ese child soldiers, young women as *** slaves and they do like to hack folks with machetes. :cantbeli:

[TriggerHappy]

"sigh" How true :-(
That was what i was talking about.
I just posted some photos of civilians walking.
Imagine now what will happen if i post images of Chechen rebels.

[RomanS]

Actually, post away, I just want to ask my Russian brothers here not to participate in those threads, and let them stay low.

So please, My Russian Brothers. If you see threads with Chechen "rebels" just dont go in there. Simple request that will help us keep the flies in the garbage where they belong.

[A_V_8_R]

Thanks, been a lurker for along time.

[TriggerHappy]

Actually, post away, I just want to ask my Russian brothers here not to participate in those threads, and let them stay low.

So please, My Russian Brothers. If you see threads with Chechen "rebels" just dont go in there. Simple request that will help us keep the flies in the garbage where they belong.

I lost you.
For every 1 image of chechen rebels I have 20 images of Russian soldiers.
Posted some of them already.
Check them out.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76307
Also go in the next page where you will find more.


Now I ask why showing the other side is so bad???

[G-Capo]

Found some images,The Rebels that caused such casualties to the Russian Army ;)

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya228.jpg

http://www.mosnews.com/files/4478/rebels1.jpg

http://www.sptimes.ru/archive/img/768/7136.jpg

http://www.ciai-s.net/chechnya.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/in_depth/europe/2000/russian_elections/slideshow/grozny95.jpg

[Marvin!!]

The 1st and 4th photos look photoshopped. Something about the guy in the middle's vest, and that T-72 wreck one, well, just look at it :| Or perhaps it's just the crappy JPEG compression, but they just don't seem 'right'

[TriggerHappy]

please please not here.
please delete them.
Or create a new thread.

By the way only first 2 are chechens.

[RomanS]

First picture has hattab on it, an international terrorist.
Eliminated by Russia. He was wanted and declared as terrorist by many international organizations. Including US.
Hattab trained with ben laden, and other big terrorist groups
he wasnt a Chechen

[Roy Batty]

First picture has hattab on it, an international terrorist.
Eliminated by Russia. He was wanted and declared as terrorist by many international organizations. Including US.
Hattab trained with ben laden, and other big terrorist groups
he wasnt a Chechen

Algerian?...

[RomanS]

Algerian?...
SAUDI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameer_Khattab

[G-Capo]

First picture has hattab on it, an international terrorist.
Eliminated by Russia. He was wanted and declared as terrorist by many international organizations. Including US.
Hattab trained with ben laden, and other big terrorist groups
he wasnt a Chechen


I thought if Chechen images were posted you wouldnt join in :)

Guess your not a man of your word.

[TriggerHappy]

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[Snoshi]

I still dont get how you can conquer a big town that is filled of rebels without blowing it up.

[G-Capo]

Just look at the American all volunteer proffesional Army.They took a city filled with insurgents and they don't look half as bad as what the Russians did.

[RomanS]

Just look at the American all volunteer proffesional Army.They took a city filled with insurgents and they don't look half as bad as what the Russians did.
Both Russian and Americans have an army!
Does Columbia qualifies for an army? And not the man wearing green camos that are trying to put down cocaine business when narcos dont wana pay em. Those dont count.
What is Columbian army?

[Jani.R]

Just look at the American all volunteer proffesional Army.They took a city filled with insurgents and they don't look half as bad as what the Russians did.
Yep.

Fallujah was full of enemy fighters and americans hardly destroyed any parts of it, or Baghdad in 2003.

[G-Capo]

What is the Columbian Army? What continent are they.

I know a Colombian Army,But were is Columbia??

[Jani.R]

Both Russian and Americans have an army!
Does Columbia qualifies for an army? And not the man wearing green camos that are trying to put down cocaine business when narcos dont wana pay em. Those dont count.
What is Columbian army?

Stop the trolling & flaming, stay away from the thread if you can't handle somebody critizising russian conscription army.

[Snoshi]

Yep.

Fallujah was full of enemy fighters and americans hardly destroyed any parts of it, or Baghdad in 2003.

Majority of nsurgents left the town.

[G-Capo]

Yep.

Fallujah was full of enemy fighters and they hardly destroyed any parts of it, or Baghdad in 2003.


Wrong Baghdad was not leveled like Chechnya

http://www.daveross.com/baghdad/Baghdad%20036.jpg

Fallujah was destroyed by insurgents and the US.And most insurgents left.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/images/pictures/security/iraq/fallujah.jpg


Chechnya is just one big crater.

[RomanS]

What is the Columbian Army? What continent are they.

I know a Colombian Army,But were is Columbia??

Sorry I misspelled Colombia. All we covered in history was the country that produced the most white powder, marijuana, drug wars, murder, kidnaping, and civil wars. The contribution and donation to science, art, medicine, space, military and other civilized matters was not covered. Probably for obvious reasons.

[TriggerHappy]

Offtopic.
To subject please.

[Jani.R]

Wrong Baghdad was not leveled like Chechnya

http://www.daveross.com/baghdad/Baghdad%20036.jpg

Fallujah was destroyed by insurgents and the US.And most insurgents left.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/images/pictures/security/iraq/fallujah.jpg


Chechnya is just one big crater.

Thats what i meant, did not mean to offend :O

[G-Capo]

Sorry I misspelled Colombia. All we covered in history was the country that produced the most white powder, marijuana, drug wars, murder, kidnaping, and civil wars. The contribution and donation to science, art, medicine, space, military and other civilized matters was not covered. Probably for obvious reasons.


This will explain the decaying education system of Russia.

[Snoshi]

This will explain the decaying education system of Russia.

nice flaimbait.

[Roy Batty]

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For Gods sake..everyone hold on tight. I think this thread has just left the pavement!

[ed316]

hahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Jani.R]

Could both of you retards just stop whining to eachother and move it to PM, another good thread getting ruined.


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EDIT: Meaning RussianS, Gcapo, and the pics are fuxored, fixing it now.

[G-Capo]

nice flaimbait.


Read the thread,This does not constitute as a flame bait.It is already hot as an oven in here thanks to RomanS.

[TriggerHappy]

Restrain yourselves people.
Move this to your PMs.

[Jani.R]

Something is wrong in edit, so posting here.


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[TR1]

I do not have any problems with posting some pictures of Chechen seperatists. As a Russian, I can say that I respect some of the men in the insurgency. Many of them were former men in the soviet army, and fought with vigor and intensity not seen anywhere else. After all, they fough the RF army to a virtual standstill in the first campaign. Certainly they lost in the second, but thats another story.

THAT SAID:
I do not mean we should post pics of those decapitating motha ****errs. Those bastards are a disgrace to the caucasus and can rightfully burn in hell.Unfortunately is seems like a lot of the chechen movement has turned into radicals and compelete retards. **** them.

However, the men who took up arms and fought with honor ( a very few men, but they certainly are some) against what THEY percieved as the invading Russian army., They, like many federal troops did not want to be there, and were simply stuck in a very ficked up situation.

[G-Capo]

I do not have any problems with posting some pictures of Chechen seperatists. As a Russian, I can say that I respect some of the men in the insurgency. Many of them were former men in the soviet army, and fought with vigor and intensity not seen anywhere else. After all, they fough the RF army to a virtual standstill in the first campaign. Certainly they lost in the second, but thats another story.

THAT SAID:
I do not mean we should post pics of those decapitating motha ****errs. Those bastards are a disgrace to the caucasus and can rightfully burn in hell.Unfortunately is seems like a lot of the chechen movement has turned into radicals and compelete retards. **** them.

However, the men who took up arms and fought with honor ( a very few men, but they certainly are some) against what THEY percieved as the invading Russian army., They, like many federal troops did not want to be there, and were simply stuck in a very ficked up situation.

Well said man..I totally agree.

[RomanS]

Something is wrong in edit, so posting here.


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RMM

do you have any original, new, never been posted before content?

Ive seen this photo on militaryphotos.net more than 3 times already.

Why same old material?

[daily666]

Wasn't Grozny flattened during the second chechen war? And please if you post pics frome there put a date where the picture was taken, you can see differences in some pics i.e. on those RomanS posted.

[Jani.R]

Wasn't Grozny flattened during the second chechen war? And please if you post pics frome there put a date where the picture was taken, you can see differences in some pics i.e. on those RomanS posted.

Yes, it was and most of the city is still in ruins. I posted couple pages down the ****storm websites where there are new pictures from Grozny.

[TriggerHappy]

I do not have any problems with posting some pictures of Chechen seperatists. As a Russian, I can say that I respect some of the men in the insurgency. Many of them were former men in the soviet army, and fought with vigor and intensity not seen anywhere else. After all, they fough the RF army to a virtual standstill in the first campaign. Certainly they lost in the second, but thats another story. .
You are the first Russian I ever see talking like this.
But then again I don't hang in forums a lot.
I agree with you 100%.


THAT SAID:
I do not mean we should post pics of those decapitating motha ****errs..
Talking for myslef not even in the wildest dreams.
I do not collect these sick stuff.

Those bastards are a disgrace to the caucasus and can rightfully burn in hell.
Things have turned very very ugly for all down there.

Unfortunately is seems like a lot of the chechen movement has turned into radicals and compelete retards. **** them.
They made the BIG MISTAKE to allow some radicals who do not care anything exept expansion of arab "culture".
From an indipendence movement of Djokar Dudaev it become the extreme Jihad of Khatab.
They lost all kind of support in the eyes of Europe and Western world.

However, the men who took up arms and fought with honor ( a very few men, but they certainly are some) against what THEY percieved as the invading Russian army., They, like many federal troops did not want to be there, and were simply stuck in a very ficked up situation.
True.
It takes guts to fight the Russian army.
But not only they fought the Russian army, they even won their indipendence after first Chechen war.
That is why I am interested in this conflict.
Simple guerilla won hordes of tanks, apcs, airplanes, helicopters.......

[TriggerHappy]

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[Roy Batty]

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[TriggerHappy]

You can find them here.
http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/modern.htm

[Roy Batty]

Also here ( a good site for pics )

http://www.pbase.com/bankst/land

[NubbyG]

Devasting war. Some amazing pictures from a viewpoint of both civilian and Russian.

[StukaJr]

True.
It takes guts to fight the Russian army.
But not only they fought the Russian army, they even won their indipendence after first Chechen war.
That is why I am interested in this conflict.
Simple guerilla won hordes of tanks, apcs, airplanes, helicopters.......

Dudayev had tanks, APC, BM-21 Grad - Nohchi army had enough arms for the nation its size - some obtained through politics, some obtained by blood. Dudayev needed the war to remain in the seat of his illegitimate presidency.

The Chechen conflict began with mass deportations and murders of nationalities other than Chechens, theft of oil pumped through the pipelines that passed through Chechnya, attacks on Russian Military bases using civilians as human shields. Did I mention, creation of Wahabist nation, slave trade and some of the largest foreign (mostly Arab) mercenary formations on the autonomous republic of Russia?

I'm always amused that Chechen Warlords and sepparatists are supported by people who wouldn't last a minute in Wahabists' tent without having their head sawed off with a dull knife. Maybe someone will eventually translate the hours of footage taken from the Independent Nohchi-Cho to see what they did for and with their freedom

[Canuck Farrier]

A little off topic,just curious does Russian Film Industry make war movies say about Chechnya and Afghanistan or other Russian conflicts?

[Andrew116]

I Think Chechnya has acertain beauty to it

[nick_ua]

A little off topic,just curious does Russian Film Industry make war movies say about Chechnya and Afghanistan or other Russian conflicts

Yes, both.
But more about Chechnya

[Alan]

I Think Chechnya has acertain beauty to it
The caucasus is a beautiful place. I don't think anyone can argue that. The mountains are amazing, the air is delicious.

You know, people and wars aside, when we remove all the human bull****, it would be a glorious place to live and vacation.

That's kinda my pet peeve. Humans, grab an AK and ratatatata... oy, why can't we all just get along and enjoy this mud ball. We don't live that long, why the misery, sigh.

[TR1]

The caucasus is a beautiful place. I don't think anyone can argue that. The mountains are amazing, the air is delicious.

You know, people and wars aside, when we remove all the human bull****, it would be a glorious place to live and vacation.

That's kinda my pet peeve. Humans, grab an AK and ratatatata... oy, why can't we all just get along and enjoy this mud ball. We don't live that long, why the misery, sigh.
x2. Kavkaz is quite an amazing place. With a very rich history as well (albeit one filled with constant fighting)

[Holycrusader]

im surely not a friend of chechen muslem fanatics but why russians had to destroy this city so much ?

Stupid question... Why Stalingrad, Warsaw or Fallujah was destroyed?

[nick_ua]

Stupid question... Why Stalingrad, Warsaw or Fallujah was destroyed?
just wonder
why you didn't mentioned Drezden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, but mention Warsaw.
Cause compare to these cities, Warsaw had very little destruction.

[TriggerHappy]

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[Holycrusader]

just wonder
why you didn't mentioned Drezden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, but mention Warsaw.
Cause compare to these cities, Warsaw had very little destruction.

Simple
Grozny - destroyed in city fight
Warsaw - destroyed in city fight
Drezden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima - destroyed by air bombardment or ABomb

And trust me Warsaw was destroyed like Drezden :(

[marlowe]

Cause compare to these cities, Warsaw had very little destruction.

-about Warsaw :


By January 1945 85% of the buildings were destroyed: 25% as a result of the Uprising, 35% as a result of systematic German actions after the uprising, the rest as a result of the earlier Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (15%) and other combat including the September 1939 campaign (10%). Material losses were estimated at 10,455 buildings, 923 historical buildings (94 percent), 25 churches, 14 libraries including the National Library, 81 primary schools, 64 high schools, Warsaw University and Warsaw University of Technology, and most of the historical monuments. Almost a million inhabitants lost all of their possessions. The exact amount of losses of private and public property as well as pieces of art, monuments of science and culture is unknown but considered enormous. However, various estimates place it at an equivalent of approximately 40 billion 1939 US dollars

-"Overall Polish casualties were between 150,000 and 200,000"- only after 63 days of Warsaw Uprising...



"little destruction"...:roll:

[Azide]

Just look at the American all volunteer professional Army. They took a city filled with insurgents and they don't look half as bad as what the Russians did.

The city has a long history of destruction, lets take a look at some facts.

-Chechnya has been through two wars, and Grozny has been seized twice.

-Much of the city was destroyed in the first campaign

-In the short break after the first war, two years passed as none of the "politicians" in charge of Chechnya did anything about the ruined city. If anything was done, it was of very small effort because Russia sent thousands to help repair the city as part of the peace treaty. All the money just disappeared some where.

-In the second war RF just started of where they left of in 1996, bombing the shell which was known as Grozny.

Now you, might argue that the Russians still did a bad job during the first war because they destroyed the city then, but consider this...

-Dudayev had plenty of time to prepare the city defense, more then a year. Mingling with the newly formed and corrupt government in Moscow, it was know to him that an attack would be attempted.

-Deliverance of boxcar loads of arms and ammo into chechnya from "unknown" sources, most likely mafia.

-Chechens had at there disposal had very skilled veterans from the Afghan war. Dudayev himself was a general of some sort, and therefore a strategist. Basayeve, one of the infamous Chechen terrorists, was a dropout from a military academy in St Petersburg, he must have learned a thing or two there.

Just this point should show you that this is not your typical "faceless" enemy that was encountered in Falluja. I assume that’s what your referring too, if its Baghdad then your surly know that Saddam was nowhere as prepared for a urban war, his army failed to stall the coalition long enough. But any ways let’s keep going.

-Not only did Dudayev have a skilled force of men, he had the best tool to control those men with, religion. Chechens are an example of ignorant and poor people instigated into violence. Another example is Somalia, same kind of situation but different warlord. Man can turn into one mean animal when his ideals are in peril, this principle is world over. And when the principle is applied to Chechens, these people turn into some very mean dogs.

It should be noted that when the first time Russians went in they felt awkward when they were faced with the realty that they might have to shoot the citizens of there own country. This was not the case for the Chechens, they shoot first.

-Grozny was a city fortified against a siege during WW2 (Nazis where moving south as you may recall) all the Chechens had to do was pull out the old military maps. Hypothetical of course but it was possible since Dudayev men seized the FSB records building with all of it papers in tact.

-Besides the well preparedness of the Chechens they had an advantage over the Russians in logistics, moving around the city and ambushing amour and employing skilled mercenary marksmen.

-Mercenaries

-A lot of advanced hardware, like radios, and bunch of other stuff donated by various EU, US, and Arab countries.

-Chechens speak both languages

The most important point is that the RF were at the height of there handicap in all there existence. Politics and corruption resulted in the lack of some of the most trivial necessities during the war. The most important was the lack of good leadership in the high braches of the military, this lead to all kinds of troubles.

Now, I have shown you the setting for what Grozny was like, and why the battles were intense enough to destroy the city. So if you want to argue that the conflicts were the same show some evidence. Except for small similarities like, Russians not having ability to bomb the presidential palace, same as insurgents hiding in mosques which could not be directly destroyed, there are not much else to compare. Other then that the city was not decimated because the enemy was simply to weak and couldn’t put up much of a resistance as the Chechens. The insurgences were: 1- not smart enough, 2- not as well prepared, 3-didn’t have the same hardcore loyalists, and 4-just completely different kind of neighborhood.:)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Simple
Grozny - destroyed in city fight
Warsaw - destroyed in city fight
Drezden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima - destroyed by air bombardment or ABomb

And trust me Warsaw was destroyed like Drezden :(
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1526410&postcount=14

[~~~~]

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5893/82ab.jpg


a little offtopic: did you now Russians have had on their Mir station a device serving to regain water from the cosmonaut's excrements?

btw: it looks a little like the pictured guy was tasting mud - there's so plenty of it...

[CPL Trevoga]

a little offtopic: did you now Russians have had on their Mir station a device serving to regain water from the cosmonaut's excrements?

btw: it looks a little like the pictured guy was tasting mud - there's so plenty of it...

That's a good soldier, his weapon is spotless.

[Wiseman]

Inside is more important than outside, but yes it looks good.

[~~~~]

Inside is more important than outside, but yes it looks good.

you're idealistic or something? lol ;-)

[Alan]

Another little tidbit as to why Grozny had to destroyed so much in comparison to say, Bagdad.

Grozny is a Russian built, soviet styled city of tall, incredibly sturdy concrete buildings and other structures, not two-story cheap huts.

[TR1]

Another little tidbit as to why Grozny had to destroyed so much in comparison to say, Bagdad.

Grozny is a Russian built, soviet styled city of tall, incredibly sturdy concrete buildings and other structures, not two-story cheap huts.

oh man, don't talk to me about soviet architecture. Moscow is full of crappy old soviet times apartment block..I ****ing hate them. Overall, the buidling are OK, but they are not maintained for jack ****, and dirty broken krushevki litter the city.

[Mr.K]

Another little tidbit as to why Grozny had to destroyed so much in comparison to say, Bagdad.

Grozny is a Russian built, soviet styled city of tall, incredibly sturdy concrete buildings and other structures, not two-story cheap huts.
Good point and thats precisly why chechen rebels (or freedom fighters for the romantics on this board) used every building as a stronghold. Iraqis just retreated or surrendered, chechens tried to hold on for as long as they could.
2nd campaign was harder on the buldings since Russians used a simple and efficient method of advance.
Armor and troops advance, if fired upon, they halt. Hinds and Arty cover the area. Repeat. And once in Grozny house to house fighting + Air support.
2 story huts à la Fallujah are easier to rebuild than a 8 story buildings.
As for rebulding gotta be fair, the administrative buildings, and main streets were rebuilt real fast. The rest is up to chechen investors and private sector.

[Mr.K]

for the chechen rebel fanboys
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/Raduyev_1.1.06.jpg

Raduev (now in prison) in 1996
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/prayer_2.6.05.jpg
Rebels praying (drop the gun and you're an instant civilian)

[TR1]

for the chechen rebel fanboys
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/Raduyev_1.1.06.jpg
Raduev (now in prison) in 1996

I thought he was killed...

[Mr.K]

Maybe, wasn't his nickname "titanic"? He has/had half of his face surgically reconstructed and had to wear a hat,sunglasses and beard to look normal.
And now more pictures



http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/fighters_rocket_2.6.05.jpg

Chechen fighters carry a rocket launching unit they picked up from the Russian assault system March 15 in Stary Atagi 25 kilometers from Shali. Russian sources say 34 Chechens were killed in positional warfare in south and southeast of Grozny, the capital of the breakaway Russia's region of Chechnya.
Courtesy, *******. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/weapon_2.6.05.jpg
Looks like a foreigner to me
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/fighters_monitor_2.6.05.jpg

Chechen fighters monitor Russian troops movements near Stary Atagi 25 kilometers from Shali on March 17. Russian sources say 34 Chechens were killed during positional warfare in south and southeast of Grozny, the capital of the breakaway Russia's region of Chechnya.

Courtesy, *******. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/goldteeth_2.6.05.jpg
Bling Bling
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/Russ_pris_2.20.05.jpg
They're so nice to the POWs, you can guess what happens when some HRW or western journalist is not witnessing this.
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/7/womanbabysoldier_2.6.05.jpg
Some how this photo is in "Human Rights Violation" album:roll:
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/7/CHECH_001OB_2.20.05.jpg

Chechen militants sit in a trench in the outskirts of the Chechen village of Chervlennaya, Sunday, Oct. 10, 1999. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Monday, Oct. 11, 1999 that Chechnya needs to hand over suspected "terrorists" before there can be any talks on ending the fighting in the rebel republic. Chechnya's President Aslan Maskhadov offered a peace plan Sunday, saying he would crack down on renegade warlords if Russia pulls its troops from Chechen territory. (AP Photo/Ruslan Musayev) The road is closed you cannot pass... how brutal.
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/3/apNERL04_RUSSIA_CHECH_0023M.jpg

Chechen militants sit in a trench in the outskirts of the Chechen village of Chervlennaya, Sunday, Oct. 10, 1999. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Monday, Oct. 11, 1999 that Chechnya needs to hand over suspected "terrorists" before there can be any talks on ending the fighting in the rebel republic. Chechnya's President Aslan Maskhadov offered a peace plan Sunday, saying he would crack down on renegade warlords if Russia pulls its troops from Chechen territory. (AP Photo/Ruslan Musayev) http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/16/apNERL04_RUSSIA_EXPLO_002RJ.jpg
Before he got blown up during may 9th celebrations
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/16/apNERL04_RUSSIA_CHECH_00369.jpg

Russian soldier fires a howitzer at the positions of Islamic militants near the village of Balansu in southern Chechnya, Wednesday, April 26, 2000. A division of Russian soldiers who will be stationed in Chechnya permanently has been created, the defense minister said Friday, April 28, 2000. (AP Photo/Yuri Tutov)

Would make a sweet "Happy New Year" postcard

http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/13/Grozny_Tanks_2.5.05.jpg
Acoording to the caption this is Grozny 95. Who's tanks are these?
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/16/apNERL04_RUSSIA_CHECH_007JP.jpg

Russian sappers prepare charges to blow up a dike to prevent water flooding in the village of Goiskoye in southern Chechnya, Saturday, May 13, 2000. Russian planes bombed Chechen rebel targets in the mountainous Vedeno region in southern Chechnya Monday, May 15, 2000, after insurgents shelled federal checkpoints in the area during the night. (AP Photo/Str) http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/16/apNERL04_RUSSIA_CHECH_000TN.jpg

Russian soldiers ride atop an APC past an ancient Chechen tower outside Grozny, Chechnya, Tuesday, May 24, 2005. Russian servicemen seized several caches of explosives and weapons hidden by rebels in Chechnya, including several around the capital Grozny, officials said Monday. Although Russian forces have control of Chechnya's northern flatlands, rebels continue to operate in the mountainous southern areas and infiltrate Grozny. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/4/frost_2.6.05.jpg

A Chechen police officer makes a phone call as a man dressed as Father Frost, the Russian equivalent of Santa Claus, poses for a snapshot with passers by in Grozny, December 27, 2004. Yeah, it's all good :)
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/1/sobchak_2.5.05.jpg
Ksenia Sobchak (Russian "Paris Hilton)

Ksenia Sobchak, Moscow socialite and talk-show host, Ramzan Kadyrov, third right, Chechnya's First Deputy Prime Minister, and other officials take part in a ground breaking ceremony for a recreational water park in Gudermes, Chechnya's second largest city, Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2005. Pop stars and socialites attended ceremonies at the site of planned water park in Chechnya, a project that is part of government efforts to show that normal life is returning to the war-ravaged region despite persistent violence.

Courtesy, AP. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/13/apNERL04_RUSSIA_CHECH_000G4.jpg

Ingush people try to blockade the road as a Russian army armored personnel carrier drives past outside the Ingushetian village of Nesterovskaya 65 kilometers (42 miles) southwest of Grozny, Chechnya Sunday, Feb. 25, 1996. Ingush officials said Sunday they have reached an agreement with Russian troops to withdraw from their Republic, which borders on the breakaway Chechnya.

Courtesy, AP. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/13/paratrooper_2.6.05.jpg

A Russian paratrooper patrols the ruined streets of Grozny riding on top of an armoured personnel carrier May 19. Russia sent its troops into Chechnya in December to quell its independence bid, but so far have not been able to crush the dogged resistance of the rebels.

Courtesy, *******. Clearly 1st war, he's lacking proper gear.
http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/13/bamutrocket_2.6.05.jpg


Russian rockets fly in the direction of Bamut, a village on Chechnya's western border with Ingushetia, April 17. After assaults on the village, where rebels launched counter-attacks from the cover of Soviet-era missile bunkers designed to resist nuclear attack, Russia claimed a breakthrough in its bid to seize the last stronghold.
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A Russian interior ministry soldier inspects traffic at a checkpoint near fighting between Russian forces and Chechen rebels May 21. The Russians launch daily assaults on the mountains to the south of the separatist region but have not succeeded in routing the rebels.

Courtesy, *******. http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/6/foreignersbodies_2.5.05.jpg

The bodies of four foreigners, beheaded in Chechnya earlier in December, are prepared for transit outside the morgue in Grozny, Chechnya in this image from television Monday Dec. 28, 1998. The bodies were to travel to the Azerbaijan capital of Baku before being handed over to British envoys. The four men, three Britons and one New Zealander, were kidnapped on Oct. 3, 1998, and their severed heads were found by a Grozny roadside on Dec. 8. Authorities said the men, who were in Chechnya to set up a cellular phone system, had been killed after a rescue attempt went wrong. The region, in the southern Caucasus, has seen a boom in crime and kidnappings for ransom since Chechnya's independence war ended.

Courtesy, AP. The pictures are not posted in order.
Don't flame too much. :)

[Mr.K]

Raduev in captivity
http://img.lenta.ru/articles/2002/12/16/raduev/picture.jpg

[Mastermind]

Viet Cong didnt blow up children in schools, tried to blow up innocent people in theaters, maternity hospitals, blowing up subways, and apartment buildings, concerts and WW2 military parades.

Oh? They didn't? I have news for you...Yes...they did! It is just that news photographers and editors did not show it. I was part of a reaction force coming to the aid of a villiage near the Cambodian border...VC had entered the village, overpowered the men of the village, collected the women and kids to the center of the village (about fifty people) and then wrapped the mass of people with barbed wire...the mothers collected the kids into the center to protect them from the wire...and then, once the mass was tightly bound, in front of their husbands and fathers, they doused them with gasoline and lit them off. when we got there, the men had been shot execution style and the women and kids were a smoking pile of corpses.

In Hue, end of Feb of 1968 our unit pulled into a vacant lot at about dusk...7 ACAv tracked vehicles. In the darkening, I looked at the ground and saw dark objects, that to me, looked like spiders...they were human hands just barely sticking out oof the dirt...hundreds of them!. The North Vietnames had ordered captured people to dig trenches...then they put in women and kids and ordered the men to bury them alive! Some of the hands were little kids hands...their moms were under them...had tried to hold the little ones up as long as possible...all the hands were in pairs...bound with wire....all swollen and black. The local guy was telling us the story of what had happeend via our Kit Carson scout (a reoriented North Vietnamese soldier)..who was crying while he told us the story in his broken English.

Yeah...sorry to get off topic...but these things need to be set straight when folks pop off about how lovely the VC and the North Vietnames were.

Now, I suppose some flamer will come along and remind me of the terrible napalming of innocent villagers by US forces.

[Mr.K]

Now, I suppose some flamer will come along and remind me of the terrible napalming of innocent villagers by US forces.
Dude are you asking for more flames? I don't know what you seen and what stories you heard but take it to private with Roman.
Anyone that claims that Country/Side X never commited "atrocities" is living in denial.

[Mastermind]

I didn't say no committment of atrocities by American or anyone...Goodness..Mi Lai is there for everyone to see. But, I was not bound to go private since the mis info was being put public....just setting things in perspective.

War itself is an atrocity...as the pictures in this thread clearly demonstrate. It does not matter which side...it is all an atrocity!

[Alan]

oh man, don't talk to me about soviet architecture. Moscow is full of crappy old soviet times apartment block..I ****ing hate them. Overall, the buidling are OK, but they are not maintained for jack ****, and dirty broken krushevki litter the city.

Aw common, even the Khrushevki are good concrete. Way tougher than the buildings here in the west.

Don't tell me your dad never tried to put a nail in the wall to put up something, impossible! You have to drill, fill with special socket and use a screw. Remember the old housewife joke?

You still live in moscow, right? Most buildings are newer ones nowadays. Mine was built in 1987, and is 17 stories tall, as arte all it's neighbours, there's an electronics store adjacent on the bottom to the other side.

[TR1]

Aw common, even the Khrushevki are good concrete. Way tougher than the buildings here in the west.

Don't tell me your dad never tried to put a nail in the wall to put up something, impossible! You have to drill, fill with special socket and use a screw. Remember the old housewife joke?

You still live in moscow, right? Most buildings are newer ones nowadays. Mine was built in 1987, and is 17 stories tall, as arte all it's neighbours, there's an electronics store adjacent on the bottom to the other side.

I wish I still lived in Moscow. Although I visit pretty often, right now I am in san francisco. Hopefully will move back soon.

WHen I go there, I usually stay in serebriny bor, or with my grand pap and mom. They live in Tushino, in an uber steryotipicall soviet style building. About 15 stories high, really long. they wouldn't even be that bad if they were looked after. but stupid hooligans **** them up and put **** and grafitee everywhere.

[Jani.R]

Can't you lovers move it to PM?

[TR1]

Can't you lovers move it to PM?

can you bake me a pie?

[Mr.K]

True even "krusheba" is tougher that the average plywood matchstick houses here.

[Jani.R]

True even "krusheba" is tougher that the average plywood matchstick houses here.

Everything is ****ty in west, expect living there. woot

[wannabe]

It seems to escape a lot of people but here is the reality

The US has never been invaded, we have never had a total war ravage us. For that reason, we and all of you can never comprehend what such a war is like. Even if you have claims of being "over there" (whereever) your home is still intact, your god is alive and your wife is waiting for you hopefully alone in your house.

some great photos in here. misery is so captivating

[Crna Legija]

Less Talk, More Pics!

p.s The Russian "Paris Hilton" comment was a pisser :)

[dimasorokine]

It seems to escape a lot of people but here is the reality

The US has never been invaded, we have never had a total war ravage us. For that reason, we and all of you can never comprehend what such a war is like. Even if you have claims of being "over there" (whereever) your home is still intact, your god is alive and your wife is waiting for you hopefully alone in your house.

some great photos in here. misery is so captivating

Great post, that is something most Americans will never understand. I think if the US was invaded and "ravaged by war" as you say, even the most patriotic, flag waving Americans would not be so quick to aprove of invading other countries.

Let's hope it stays that way, because I don't wish war on any people.
-Dima

[~~~~]

Ksenia Sobchak - mmm, nice chick. why is she called Russian Paris Hilton?

(Moscow Hilton? lol)

[Hukatus]

Less Talk, More Pics!you can always take a look at threads posted by short lived rpg7
Russian conscripts in Chechnya (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69699)
Russian conscripts in Chechnya, part II (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71862)
Chechen war from the rebel side (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69639)
Caucasus: destroyed federal hardware (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69653)
Colorful Russian army (Chechnya) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71865)

[Digital Marine]

http://photos.chechnyawar.com/data/media/14/Russ_pris_2.20.05.jpg

The look on that Russian soldier's face is aweful, do they even get released??:-(

[Snoshi]

They rarly get released, only if parents payed alot for them

[Hammaskillah]

Wrong Baghdad was not leveled like Chechnya

http://www.daveross.com/baghdad/Baghdad%20036.jpg

Fallujah was destroyed by insurgents and the US.And most insurgents left.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/images/pictures/security/iraq/fallujah.jpg


Chechnya is just one big crater.
your mother too

Here is your nice Baghdad
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/photo_essay2/iraq_war_day17/photos/300_destroyed_iraq_tank_baghdad.jpg
http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.091305M.jpg
http://www.nomorebush.premiumfinder.com/war-gallery/baghdad-bombing2.jpg
http://www.nomorebush.premiumfinder.com/war-gallery/baghdad-bombing3.jpg

beatifull Falluja

http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_fallujah07.jpg
http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_fallujah06.jpg
brutal
http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_fallujah12.jpg
http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_fallujah11.jpg

And after iraq america is getting this posted to their hometowns
http://www.americanchronicle.com/bioPics/author238.jpg

[Digital Marine]

You sir, are pathetic.

[ed316]

your mother too



And after iraq america is getting this posted to their hometowns
http://www.americanchronicle.com/bioPics/author238.jpg

What the hell does this have to do with Chechnya?

[NKVD]

for once I agree with ed..

let's not turn this thread into america vs russia, etc..this crap is getting old

[~~~~]

yeah, lets turn this thread into Poland versus Russia. lol

[Groove]

Chechens were complaining that Grozny looked outdated. So Russian construction Ministery had to come and reconstruct. Right now they are in pre-production stage.

let me guess. you werent in Grosny while they almost leveled it ?

[Hammaskillah]

You sir, are pathetic.you are retarted , vuile homo :D
comparing chechnya with iraq is comparing a ass to a finger !

[TriggerHappy]

This is the part where I say.
Why don't we return to the subject.
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http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3507/y455sf.jpg

[sergey31]

I knew that once Chechnya had terrorist problem, but now Gangster problem? If it's not one thing then it's the other. What is this world coming to?

[RomanS]

I knew that once Chechnya had terrorist problem, but now Gangster problem? If it's not one thing then it's the other. What is this world coming to?
They had gangster problem before there was a terrorist problem. After loosing the war against law enforcement, they turned into terrorism. That didnt go well either, so its back to being gangsters.

[TriggerHappy]

you can always take a look at threads posted by short lived rpg7
Russian conscripts in Chechnya (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69699)
Russian conscripts in Chechnya, part II (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71862)
Chechen war from the rebel side (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69639)
Caucasus: destroyed federal hardware (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69653)
Colorful Russian army (Chechnya) (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71865)

WOW
Some very rare rebel images over there.

[Mr.K]

Less Talk, More Pics!

p.s The Russian "Paris Hilton" comment was a pisser :) Well thats what she is, not that pretty, snob,whorish behaviour, the only difference with Hitlon is that Sobchak does not have any wealth.
What's the subject again? Discreditation of russian forces and latent support to the rebels like RPG7 did?

[Jani.R]

WOW
Some very rare rebel images over there.

Reading that thread makes me think how some of the members on this board have dodged the banhammer.

[Groove]

Reading that thread makes me think how some of the members on this board have dodged the banhammer.

Remember - they are terrorists for the USA after the 9th September. Before they were supported by the western states ( the chechyen rebels / terrorists).

[TriggerHappy]

What's the subject again?

The affect of war in the civilian population.

And Not paris hilton, Poland, Us marines, Iraq.........



Discreditation of russian forces and latent support to the rebels like RPG7 did?

In my other posts I showed only russian army images.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1563294#post1563294
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76307
Does that make me a ultra pro-russian??

I don't think so.

[TriggerHappy]

Reading that thread makes me think how some of the members on this board have dodged the banhammer.

It just visited the threads.
Didn't know they existed.
I had asked if there are any threads with chechen war theme but no one told me.
I didn't read all cause it was mostly flame and no worth reading.
But I got this.
Some guys get loco when they see another side of the conflict.

[Jani.R]

It just visited the threads.
Didn't know they existed.
I had asked if there are any threads with chechen war theme but no one told me.
I didn't read all cause it was mostly flame and no worth reading.
But I got this.
Some guys get loco when they see another side of the conflict.

They are the ones living in abroad and having some (twisted) nationalistic views that everything Russia does, they need to support it.

You don't see others turning threads into huge battlefields where they flame the ones who dare to say anything bad about motherland.

Or trolling, flaming and then calling for admins when he gets the **** to his head. :roll:

[Switek]

They had gangster problem before there was a terrorist problem. After loosing the war against law enforcement, they turned into terrorism. That didnt go well either, so its back to being gangsters.

You are wron Roman, very wrong. There is the same than before, even worst. You know it. You have the proof below. The biggest gangster in Northen Caucas. Protected by RF, Spetsnaz and FSB and many, many others. I don't blame soldiers. But it's shame on your leaders and those who support them. Your nation lost there a lot of blood... for that creature and his "militia-gangsters and murders"???:cantbeli:

[daily666]

This is the part where I say.
Why don't we return to the subject.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6515/5gyiyun010bx.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9535/5gyiyun026jk.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9893/5gyiyun031yn.jpg
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http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/575/5gyiyun140ik.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3507/y455sf.jpg

Very good and powerful pictures mate.

[TriggerHappy]

Glad to see someone payed attention at last.
I posted so many images which time with a different theme.
Go to page 6 and you will find some more shocking over there.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76719&page=6


But everyone is talking about a chick named paris hilton.
Crazy world.