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ElHombre
03-27-2006, 06:59 PM
considering that there is often complaints that 'the media' is losing the war in iraq and that they never report the good things happening in iraq, i thought this (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002236478) might provoke a bit of thought.


Washington Post reporter Steve Fainaru, who recently completed a 14-month stint in Iraq, commented: "Everyone wants to read their view of the war in your story. To me the only issue is whether our stories are real or not. I never got complaints from the people who were involved in the subject matter of the stories.

"The job of soldiering over there is incredibly difficult. I have tremendous respect for those guys. The criticism completely misses the point. Iraq is on the verge of civil war. Where's the good news?"


Appearing on NBC, its Baghdad correspondent Richard Engel said, “Most Iraqis I speak to say, ‘Actually most reporters get it wrong--it’s the situation on the ground is actually worse than the images we project on television.’"


I mean, what I would point out is that you can't travel around this country anymore without military protection. You can't travel without armed guards. You're not free to go every time there's a school opening or there's some reconstruction project that's being done.


Q: But critics would say, well, no wonder people back home think things are falling apart because we get this steady drumbeat of negativity from the correspondents there.

A: Well, who says things aren't falling apart in Iraq? I mean, what you didn't see on your screens this week was all the unidentified bodies that have been turning up, all the allegations here of militias that are really controlling the security forces.

and we find a reason as to why there aren't more 'good news' stories coming out of iraq: it tends to make them targets.


You don't think that I haven't been to the U.S. military and the State Department and the embassy and asked them over and over again, let's see the good stories, show us some of the good things that are going on? Oh, sorry, we can't take to you that school project, because if you put that on TV, they're going to be attacked about, the teachers are going to be killed, the children might be victims of attack.

Oh, sorry, we can't show this reconstruction project because then that's going to expose it to sabotage. And the last time we had journalists down here, the plant was attacked.

I mean, security dominates every single thing that happens in this country. Reconstruction funds have been diverted to cover away from reconstruction to -- they've been diverted to security.

Deuterium
03-27-2006, 07:19 PM
You don't think that I haven't been to the U.S. military and the State Department and the embassy and asked them over and over again, let's see the good stories, show us some of the good things that are going on?

That's one lazy "journalist" if you ask me. "Nope no news today folks, the military and the embassy said so. Gosh what's on TV, the Greenzone sucks."

This is also why Irish is considered so dangerous. The only trip these "journalists" take is the trip to the Greenzone and the trip out to BIAP.

ElHombre
03-27-2006, 08:01 PM
[/B]That's one lazy "journalist" if you ask me. "Nope no news today folks, the military and the embassy said so. Gosh what's on TV, the Greenzone sucks."

This is also why Irish is considered so dangerous. The only trip these "journalists" take is the trip to the Greenzone and the trip out to BIAP.

you miss the reason they state that they can't 'go out'. they'd likely be killed. and why is that? because the country is dangerous, thus they report back that fact back. it puts a damper on the good news when one hears, 'we can't tell you about this person doing a wonderful job because last time we did, the person was beheaded'. :roll:

WarriorMonk
03-27-2006, 08:13 PM
well folks, apparently, there's your answer for your "liberal media..."

what, about 3 years too late, too...

XxDualityxX
03-27-2006, 08:21 PM
I have never seen such lazy journalist, everytime I hear the military talk they say come ride with us we go to the reconstruction points and bridges being built. I mean this seems more like a way to say hey we try to get the story we just cant, so then I ask how come people like Mike Yon and and Laura Inghram have all these god images coming out of iraq, I will tell you they go get it and dont wait for it to come.

WarriorMonk
03-27-2006, 09:35 PM
I have never seen such lazy journalist, everytime I hear the military talk they say come ride with us we go to the reconstruction points and bridges being built. I mean this seems more like a way to say hey we try to get the story we just cant, so then I ask how come people like Mike Yon and and Laura Inghram have all these god images coming out of iraq, I will tell you they go get it and dont wait for it to come.

I think the majority of Americans still watch TV rather than look over blogs...but then again blogophiles are catching up...

bugkill
03-27-2006, 11:24 PM
the reason it is dangerous for them to roll out alone is because kidnapping foreigners is hot business in iraq. the average iraqi gets around quite fine and do conduct their daily business. there is scattered violence, but the media ONLY reports the violence or political issues within the government, nothing about the hard work of rebuilding that we have done so far.

the media is fixed on shedding a bright light of negativity in order to counter the president, bottom line. they are very mindful of what happened during the vietnam war and they are hell bent on reporting it as if iraq is vietnam, but it could not be any further from the truth.

iraq is a boring "war" and the media knows it. they report every single bomb or soldier's death (even if it is only one KIA in the WHOLE damn country) as if the military is knee deep in s^%t or lack any control. why do most veterans of iraq keep saying that "it is not all that bad" or "we have done many great things", when it concerns iraq? it's because the media has made it out to be some chaotic situation, but it is not entirely true.

it is not hard to have a bunch of armed bandits or terrorists conduct their business in iraq, when you have a military that is handcuffed and cannot efficiently kill them. when a soldier (MP dog handler that i knew from a previous assignment) can go to jail for 18 months and receive a BCD for letting his dog bark at a prisoner or you need to ask for permission to kill some bastards that attacked you and ran into a mosque, it's no wonder we have some of the violence we see now.

we went into iraq with the wrong mindset and now we are paying for it. we won the actual war, but we decided not to hurt anyone's feelings, so we try the "one foot in, one foot out" approach. we want to impose standards on soldiers that in the end makes them totally ineffective, we took away the curfew, we allow radical religious leaders to make fatwa's against the coalition, we don't punish areas that support the terrorists/insurgents, and we make the "winning hearts and minds" our number one objective in iraq. but you still wonder why there is violence in iraq?

the media wants you to believe that iraq was a bad move, i totally disagree. iraq was a great tactical move to put pressure on iran, but we underestimated what it would take mentally. we allowed the lessons of vietnam to cloud our judgement and we, in essence, allowed the enemy to gain confidence. when you are trying to instill the rule of law, the people have to respect the law, and the way to respect law is to fear it. the insurgents don't fear us because they take advantage of our greatest weakness, having morality in war.

saddam knew this and he put a major boot up their ass when he needed to maintain control. we have a stronger military than he does, but we are the ones getting blowed up? does not make much sense, but it does. we are paper tigers in their eyes. we won't do what it takes because they feel that we don't have the stomach for this, which is true. sometimes, even the most civilized societies need to be uncivilized at times to get anything done, and iraq is one those places that we have to be a bit uncivilized in order to create order.

i know must of you will disagree, but i'm only sharing my opinion. some of you will argue about "hearts and minds" and not to "act like them", but forget that we have seen the results of such actions, we see it daily on our nightly news channels.

KB
03-28-2006, 01:14 PM
If you were a foreigner and watched the local evening news in the US, you'd think all that went on were car wrecks, murders/rapes, embezzlement/fraud by public officials, weather and sports. I don't see anyone criticizing the media for their reporting here at home.

Watched Michael Ware on Bill Maher last night; he's the bureau chief for Time in Baghdad. Been in Iraq since the invasion, claims he was embedded through Fallujah in Nov 2004 and more recently the September battles at Tal Afar. He gave a pretty damned bleak review of the situation in the country.

Basically what the journos say is unless you're embedded with the US military independent reporting over there is virtually impossible. Much of what they get comes from Iraqi employees, since it is too dangerous for Westerners to move about openly.