FBI goes to war against activists

[FOX 1]

THE FBI, while waging a highly publicised "war against terrorism", has also been gathering information on antiwar and environmental protesters, and activists who feed vegetarian meals to the homeless, the agency's internal memos show.

FBI officials say that international terrorists pose the greatest threat to the nation, but they cannot ignore crimes committed by some activists.

Kirsten Atkins, a 40-year-old environmental activist, said: "They don't know where Osama bin Laden is, but they're spending money watching people like me." Her numberplate showed up in an FBI terrorism file after she attended a protest against the timber industry in Colorado Springs in 2002.

The FBI's encounters with activists are described in hundreds of pages of documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) under the Freedom of Information Act after agents visited several activists before the 2004 political conventions.

Bill Carter, an FBI spokesman, said it was "one thing to express an idea or such, but when you commit acts of violence in support of that activity, that's where our interest comes in".

The FBI targeted people who committed crimes and did not single out groups for ideological reasons, he said, citing the recent arrest of environmental activists accused of firebombing an unfinished ski resort in Vail, Colorado. "People can get hurt," Mr Carter said. "Businesses can be ruined."

Lawyers for the ACLU described the FBI memos as troubling, saying they showed the FBI had monitored groups that were not suspected of any crimes.

"It certainly seems they're casting a net much more widely than would be necessary to thwart something like the blowing up of the Oklahoma City federal building," said Mark Silverstein, legal director of the Colorado ACLU.

The murky connection the US Government makes between some left-wing activist groups and terrorism was illustrated by a US Department of Justice presentation delivered this month at a University of Texas law lecture in Austin. An FBI counter-terrorism official showed 35 slides listing militia, neo-Nazi and Islamist groups.

One slide, under the category of "anarchism", listed groups with which terrorists might associate. The list included Food Not Bombs, which mainly serves vegetarian food to homeless people and, with a question mark next to it, Indymedia, a website featuring articles written by radical journalists and activists.

Los Angeles Times

I personally think that Freedom of speech and protest is important, but these groups use these freedoms to commit crimes and that had to be stopped. I use to read some of the material of these activist like Green left weekly and Indymedia periodically but now I think they are a bunch of morons.

PS. These "activists' might have something to do with China Communist party because some of them workship Mao like an idol. These "Activist" in Melbourne had some empathy with a so called self style whistlkeblower call Ray Hoser who wrote some books on Victoria Police Corruption and was charge with contempt of courts because his books had accusations on some Victorian judges.( I have read some of his books and I think only 40% is true and the rest are all pure false accusations.)

[SeanAshi]

Bring down Indymedia! Terrorist loving sob's.

[kayaker]

Only in the USA...

[ed316]

Links plz?

[dunkin]

Links plz?

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[XShipRider]

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[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Links plz?Its on the LA Times site for 27 March 06 just sign up and read it.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Land of the free huh - as long as you conform :roll:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Feeding the homeless vegi burgers is sedition? I do see the point in keeping an eye on ALF and Earth First though. What is it with the FBI and the Dept of HS getting all STASI on US citizens these days.

[nognig]

Land of the free huh - as long as you conform :roll:

Give me a break! The FBI is investigating these people because they have associated with known domestic terrorist organizations.

It's not like they are throwing them in jail or anything.

"Oh no! My license plate is in the FBI database, where are my rights?".

NN

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Give me a break! The FBI is investigating these people because they have associated with known domestic terrorist organizations.

It's not like they are throwing them in jail or anything.

"Oh no! My license plate is in the FBI database, where are my rights?".

NN
Yeah those veggie burgers must be a real threat to McDonalds profit margins or something :roll:

[WarriorMonk]

Yeah those veggie burgers must be a real threat to McDonalds profit margins or something :roll:

yeah, now that one's probably taking it a bit too far.

[ed316]

Thier not activist but eco terrorist. Which is homegrown terrorist. Before people across the pond start to critisize look at you eco "activist" activies there.

[ibstolidude]

Only in the USA...
I know, only the USA would the law enforcement be expected to anticipate and prepare for future threat; only in the USA would law enforcement be expected to arrest and charge those that have defaced and destroyed private and public property under the name of "protest."

What idiotic comments many here have made.

And only on the internet would knuckle-heads read the above article and infer that the FBI has arrested people for handing out vegi-burgers, simply so they can justify their distrust and negative opinions.

[camerashy]

Well many of these types of vegi, protester groups have ties with ELF. This might be one of the reasons why the fbi is so interested.

[kayaker]

Prepare for future attacks... CIA was warned numerous times (including 71 times by one of its own agent's) of the 9/11 attack!! ROFLMAO the crap you write.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1130338,00.html

[wiking]

If they shut down PETA, then i'll be happy.
Bunny-hugging wankers :-*$

[ibstolidude]

Prepare for future attacks... CIA was warned numerous times (including 71 times by one of its own agent's) of the 9/11 attack!! ROFLMAO the crap you write.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1130338,00.html
Considering this has FARK-ALL to do with the CIA, what is your point?

The FBI considers, and has LONG considered, several eco-terrorists and fanatical animal rights groups the most significant domestic terror threats. The $ costs of their attacks over the last 5 years (and their increase in activity) have certainly proved the FBI, at least substantially, correct in their assessment.

Now do you have anything of value to add or are you simply here to be an annoyance, spouting off unrelated tidbits like an unfortunate movie portrayal of a tourettes sufferer?

[Beowulf]

haha


I should be writing reports now...or sleeping. crap.

[ibstolidude]

haha


I should be writing reports now...or sleeping. crap.
HAHA - I just fwded AG your info so he can get in touch.
Be safe, take care and drop a line.

[Beowulf]

cool, i just sent him an email.

I'll be in town this summer. I'll make contact, that's "call you"... since you're a cake eating civilian now.

Things are going well, I'll send you some pics....

[ibstolidude]

...since you're a cake eating civilian now.
....
Yes, I am! Jealous, MF'er??

lol - take care. I look fwd to any pics.





"Hydrate or Die!"

[kayaker]

ibstolidude,
who is using the family braincell at the moment?
THINK: the link is when you stated that America is continously preparing for future attacks.

[ed316]

Yeah those veggie burgers must be a real threat to McDonalds profit margins or something :roll:

If it was that simple.



Eco-Terror Leader Declares War On America

March 19, 2003

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/thumbnails/headline_1835.gif Craig Rosebraugh (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=1736), the enigmatic environmental anarchist whose tenure as the public face of the terrorist Earth Liberation Front (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=1561) (ELF) was marked by millions of dollars in violent property destruction (http://www.nocompromise.org/news/020114a.html), a sizable financial gift from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, (http://www.animalrights.net/articles/2002/000126.html) and a penchant for hiding behind the Fifth Amendment (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=1304), has declared war on America.

Fresh from his appearance at Cal State Fresno's "Revolutionary Environmentalism" conference, (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?headline_id=1719) Rosebraugh has penned a manifesto calling for anti-war protesters to carry out "direct actions" against the American government, military installations, multinational corporations, financial institutions, urban centers, and broadcast television networks.
Like the ELF, Rosebraugh has no use for peaceful protests, (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020324-57424221.htm) calling them "pointless, and perhaps even counterproductive." Instead, he prefers an activist plan that, quite literally, terrorizes America into withdrawing troops from the Persian Gulf.
"An atmosphere of severe unrest," Rosebraugh wrote on Monday, "if manufactured properly, will force the U.S. government to place military resources in the streets of the United States, will threaten the economy... and ultimately create a political atmosphere unfavorable for Bush to continue on with the war." (http://www.phillyimc.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/17/2210240&mode=thread)
How to manufacture this sort of atmosphere? Rosebraugh articulates the following seven-point plan (in his own words) for would-be members of his hate-America terrorist brigade:

"Attack the financial centers of the country... physically shut down financial centers which regulate and assist the functioning of [the] U.S. economy."
"Large scale urban rioting [so that] the U.S. government will be forced to send U.S. troops into the domestic arena thereby taking resources and political focus away from the war... Rioting should be focused on governmental agencies and corporations."
"Attack the media centers of the country... Using any means necessary, shut down the national networks of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. Not just occupations but actually engage in strategies and tactics which knock the networks off the air." (emphasis added)
"Spread the battle to the... very heads of government and U.S. corporations... Hit them in their personal lives, visit their homes."
"Make it known publicly that this movement DOES NOT support U.S. troops... Create an atmosphere lacking of support to assist U.S. troops at home and abroad in losing their morale and will to fight."
"Actively target U.S. military establishments within the United States... use any means necessary to slow down the functioning of the [U.S. military]." (emphasis added)
"[S]trike hard and fast and retreat in anonymity. Select another location, strike again hard and fast and quickly retreat in anonymity... Do not get caught. DO NOT GET CAUGHT. Do not get sent to jail. Stay alert, keep active, and keep fighting."

Rosebraugh implies over and over that the anti-war movement simply hasn't gone far enough. He clearly wants to take the ELF's terror tactics -- honed during attacks on logging companies, (http://portland.fbi.gov/pressrel/2002/arson.htm) new home builders, (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/4992938.htm) and the Vail ski lodge (http://www.vailtrail.com/newsdetail.cfm?NewsID=527) -- and direct them at the federal government itself.
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge (http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,393066,00.html) said yesterday that intelligence on homegrown terror groups influenced his decision to raise America to the "code orange" alert level on Monday. "[R]egional extremist organizations and ad hoc groups or disgruntled individuals may use this time period to conduct terrorist attacks against the United States," (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=716&e=15&u=/nm/20030318/ts_nm/attack_homeland_dc) he told reporters during a Tuesday press conference.
In a poignant Washington Times book review of a Unabomber biography, Fresno State University's Bruce Thorton (http://www.fresnostate.net/Classics/Biographies.htm) argued on Sunday that we may one day fall prey to "a homegrown terrorism driven by debased myths and shop-worn ideas." "The war against terrorism," Thornton added, "has more fronts than we think." (http://www.washtimes.com/books/20030316-97886398.htm)


URL: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/1835

[ed316]

Animal-Rights Hypocrisy, Both Hilarious And Murderous

Given the take-no-prisoners attitude with which today's anti-meat and anti-dairy fanatics attack your food choices, we've always suspected that they treat their brand of veganism a little bit like a religion -- and some new court documents back us up. Eric McDavid, one of the alleged Earth Liberation Front eco-terrorists arrested in January on charges of conspiring to commit arson (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59797), has claimed a First Amendment right to a vegan diet while he awaits trial in jail. In defending the request, his attorney wrote the court to claim that "[McDavid's] Vegan diet is based upon his strongly, sincerely and firmly held beliefs, which are the same as a religious belief." (Click here and go to page 14 for the original (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/060228_mcdavid.pdf).)
In a personal statement to the court, the alleged eco-terrorist lays out his belief system:
[M]y vegan beliefs and morality are animated by the way of living which shows a respect for all life, recognizing the rights of living creatures; extending to them the compassion and kindness exemplified toward people ... [Veganism] is as sincerely held to me as others hold their own religious beliefs. (Click here and go to page 4 (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/060307_mcdavid.pdf).)
A little more research tells us that McDavid's "religion" may be pretty flexible, since a subsequent court document alleges that a confidential source watched McDavid and his co-defendants eat, "among other things, shrimp stir-fry, pizza, and chocolate-chip pancakes, none of which is part of a vegan diet." (See the footnote on page 5 (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/060307_zachary.pdf).) The bigger hypocrisy in McDavid's beliefs, however, is as disturbing as his dietary inconsistency is amusing. A must-see video from CBS News indicates just how far McDavid's "respect for all life" extends (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?clip=/media/2006/01/18/video1219069&sid=3420&hitboxMLC=eveningnews&title=Alleged$@$Eco-Terrorists$@$Held). Besides recounting the alleged eco-terrorists' sordid story more fully, the video also includes an Assistant U.S. Attorney telling reporters that McDavid and his two co-defendants "have made statements to a confidential source that we're using in this case where human casualties are a possibility, and that's not a problem for them." Later on the video, CBS correspondent Jerry Bowen reports: "McDavid told the FBI's mole [that] he also wanted to kill a cop."

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2988

[ibstolidude]

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[vryhpyammoadded]

Give me a break! The FBI is investigating these people because they have associated with known domestic terrorist organizations.

It's not like they are throwing them in jail or anything.

"Oh no! My license plate is in the FBI database, where are my rights?".

NN

Exactly my feelings…

I listened to an interview with an FBI rep and one of the Activist groups rep’s and found all this hype is a smoke screen for a bunch of winy a*s anti US wankers to take melodramatic, meaningless propaganda shots at the government.
Heck, I’ve said stuff in this silly forum that would get me on a noticed list. Do I care or give a dam…NO, because I do not have any intent to do harm and the FBI knows this and I’m glad they watch. Profiling works!
Oh, and some idiot crosses the line and gets hauled in for questioning. So freaking what!