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75th_rangerhk
03-30-2006, 06:46 AM
Could anyone tell why those Army with 2nd Marine Division patch?
Thank you

http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/medium/CSA-2006-01-12-095303.jpg

Pfc. Phillip Ruiz, from 2nd Platoon, Company B, 2nd Battalion, 1st Infantry Regiment, provides security for Soldiers and Marines during a presence patrol in Rawah, Iraq.
http://www4.army.mil/armyimages/armyimage.php?photo=9012

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_060128-N-2568S-166.jpg

Description: U.S. Army Lt. Col. Shawn McGinley demonstrates ways they examine potential improvised explosive devices to the Secretary of the Navy (SECNAV), the Honorable Dr. Donald C. Winter.
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=31689
RGRBOX
03-30-2006, 07:34 AM
This is because this Army unit is attached to a Marine unit. Although the USMC doesn't wear shoulder or unit patches. The Army does.
mogsniper94
03-30-2006, 07:39 AM
I m secretly glad (as a Marine) I do not have to upkeep all those unit patches and sew on insignias. What is the annual cost of all that uniform kit? Does the Army cover any of that?
Adam Wilhelm
03-30-2006, 08:09 AM
I m secretly glad (as a Marine) I do not have to upkeep all those unit patches and sew on insignias. What is the annual cost of all that uniform kit? Does the Army cover any of that?

You donīt sew it anymore, itīs velcro.
WolverineBlue
03-30-2006, 08:40 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61787&page=3&highlight=engineer+marine

This thread (which disintegrated into some classic inter-service fighting) illustrates one documented case of a US Army organization getting to wear the 2nd MarDiv patch.
mogsniper94
03-30-2006, 10:56 AM
That is a funny situation, considering we dont even wear patches.. either way... Semper Fi.
deadhorse
03-30-2006, 01:02 PM
I m secretly glad (as a Marine) I do not have to upkeep all those unit patches and sew on insignias. What is the annual cost of all that uniform kit? Does the Army cover any of that?
The Army doesn't cover it per se, but every year on the anniversary of your enlistment you get a "clothing allowance" which can get as high as 400 bucks based on years of service.....ahhh, how we used to plan our keggers to that yearly "bonus"....heh heh
RGRBOX
03-30-2006, 01:32 PM
I find it should be considered an honor for the Marines to see that their Brothers in arms from the Army, show off their time served with the Marines in War. I know that if I ever was under the Marines in Combat I would proudly wear the SSI on my right shoulder... on the other hand it's crap that Ranger qualified Marines can't wear the Ranger Tab that they earned on their uniform...
BadKarma26
03-30-2006, 01:35 PM
I m secretly glad (as a Marine) I do not have to upkeep all those unit patches and sew on insignias. What is the annual cost of all that uniform kit? Does the Army cover any of that?

yah theres a uniform allowence, plus theyll probably buy it for us. I have a buddy in my unit who was civaff and has a 1st MARDIV patch from when he saw combat in Falluja with them.
BadKarma26
03-30-2006, 03:46 PM
yo 75th are you in the regiment?
75th_rangerhk
03-30-2006, 04:15 PM
Thanks for the replies

BTW. I m not in the regiment
rokdoc
03-30-2006, 06:27 PM
The Army doesn't cover it per se, but every year on the anniversary of your enlistment you get a "clothing allowance" which can get as high as 400 bucks based on years of service.....ahhh, how we used to plan our keggers to that yearly "bonus"....heh heh

I got five fiddy this past clothing allowance. We'll see what I get coming up.
deadhorse
03-30-2006, 06:32 PM
I got five fiddy this past clothing allowance. We'll see what I get coming up.
gawddamn! I got out too early! heh heh
Reaper171
03-30-2006, 10:32 PM
I know that the 2nd Infantry Division (Army) was a joint division when it was created in WWI. It had army and marine brigades and battalions. It was commanded by a Marine General. When 2nd Brigade 2ID left Korea to Iraq it came under the command of a Marine Division in Iraq. So they were authorized to wear the marine patches due to the historic value of being commanded again by Marines.
akmarksman
03-31-2006, 01:59 AM
chuckles at the idea of the USArmy's 2ID being led by Marines..
"now kids..don't shoot first" says the leatherneck.
*all in unison* "awwwwww no fair"

(I served in the Army..and I still think the Marines are better)
dave81
03-31-2006, 06:06 AM
chuckles at the idea of the USArmy's 2ID being led by Marines..

(I served in the Army..and I still think the Marines are better)Traitor! ...Just kidding. Incidentally, in the 2nd Infantry Division Museum on Camp Red Cloud, Korea, there's a picture of the first 2ID commander (a Marine). When I first saw it I thought, "Wow, Army uniforms used to look like Marine uniforms back in the old days." Then I read the plaque and was like "WTF?"
WolverineBlue
03-31-2006, 03:47 PM
too lazy to look on the net right now, but I thought the Indian head that many Marine insigniae have was based on the Marines being under the ARMY in WW I.
Zapp Brannigan
03-31-2006, 04:52 PM
The division was the 2nd Division in World War One. It was redesignated 2nd Infantry Division in 1942.

The division was formed in France out of the 3rd Infantry Brigade, consisting of the 9th and 23rd Infantry Regiments and the 5th MG Battalion, and the 4th Marine Brigade (Infantry), consisting of the 5th and 6th Marine Regiments and the 6th MG Battalion (Marines). Artillery and support units were primarily Army.

Originally, Pershing had wanted to break up the Marine units in France for manpower, but the Marines lobbied to be kept together. The 4th Marine Brigade was formed in October 1917 and was originally commanded by Brig. Gen. Charles A. Doyen, USMC. His health gave out and he turned over command in May 1917 to an Army officer, Brig. Gen. James G. Harbord. Harbord led the Marines in the Battle of Belleau Wood (June 1918). In July 1918, as a Major General, Harbord took command of 2nd Division, but only led it for that month. He was succeeded in command of both the 4th Marine Brigade and the 2nd Division by Brig. Gen. John A. Lejeune, USMC (who was promoted to Major General in August 1918). Lejeune led the division through the end of the war and into the occupation of Germany. Lejeune's successor as 4th Marine Brigade commander was Brig. Gen. Wendell C. Neville, a Medal of Honor recipient from the Vera Cruz expedition. Lejeune became Commandant of the Marine Corps in 1920 and held that post until 1920, when he was succeeded by Neville.

Lejeune became Superintendent of the Virginia Military Institute after retiring from the Corps in 1929. The picture to which dave81 refers of Lejeune in Marine uniform with the 2nd Division's Indianhead patch, can be seen in the VMI photo archives here:

http://new.vmi.edu/archives/images/accnum/00953.jpg