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el_kab0ng
03-09-2004, 12:21 PM
Here's a hard one.. this might be a touchy subject, but I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the Arkans Tiger's and any ops they were in from the war in Bosnia.

I have one picture from a War Crimes book, but that's the only one I've ever seen.

mustamato
03-09-2004, 12:30 PM
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/new-photos11/spm3b.jpg

http://dexter.monitor.hr/jutarnji/1999/04/15/arkan.jpg

http://www.amnistia.net/news/articles/balkdoss/arknmort/arkan.jpg

http://www.jmu.edu/orgs/wrni/arkan.jpg

http://www.rcp-brcko.com/arkan%20foto/arkan%2016.JPG

http://www.rcp-brcko.com/arkan%20foto/arkan%2017.JPG

http://www.rcp-brcko.com/arkan%20foto/foto_album_zeljko_raznatovic_ark.htm

One interesting note about Arkan was that he was wanted for a bank robbery
in Sweden, in the 70´s I think it was. He, as his soldiers were just a bunch of
ruthless heavily armed criminals.

el_kab0ng
03-09-2004, 12:43 PM
yeah. Since these pictures exist, and based on their track record of just f'ing up whole villages, you'd think they'd be tried for war crimes.

He219
03-09-2004, 12:49 PM
As you requested ...
:|

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0015265.jpg?size=67&uid={ecff7458-9b00-4617-8c1a-bd7d58e1399f}

FILE PHOTO OF SERB VOLUNTEER COMMANDER ARKAN
ARKAN:BELGRADE,15JAN00 - FILE PHOTO 19FEB95 - Serb warlord Zeljko Raznatovic, also known as Arkan, an infamous commander of the volunteer unit "Serbian Tigers", is shown in this file photo wearing a Serbian World War One uniform at his wedding. Raznatovic, who is wanted by an international tribunal for alleged war crimes, was wounded on Saturday in a shooting at Belgrade's Intercontinental hotel, an eyewitness said. "Arkan was wounded in the left eye and was taken to a hospital. He was alive. One man was shot dead, another man and a woman were wounded," the eyewitness said. im/Photo by Ivan Milutinovic *******

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0015267.jpg?size=67&uid={7a856d6d-abc9-4e27-8ec5-f10dcbdc4f7c}

FILE PHOTO OF SERBIAN TIGERS LEADER ARKAN AND KARADZIC
Original caption: LON97:YUGOSLAVIA-ARKAN:BIJELJINA,BOSNIA,15JAN00 - FILE PHOTO 23OCT95 - Serb warlord Zeljko Raznatovic, known as Arkan (C), who is wanted by an international tribunal for alleged war crimes, was shot dead January 15, the independent news agency Beta said. "Arkan, who was shot and seriously wounded in the Intercontinental Hotel this evening, died on the way to the hospital," the Belgrade agency said, quoting doctors from Belgrade Emergency Centre. Arkan is pictured reviewing Serbian volunteers called "Tigers" with Bosnian Serb leader and indicted war crimes suspect, President Radovan Karadzic (R), in the eastern Bosnian town of Bijeljina in this file photo. ev/Photo by Emil Vas *******

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0015268.jpg?size=67&uid={84315c96-7fa5-4222-a230-557cd6f71838}

SERBIAN TIGERS TROOPS ARE REVIEWS BY WARLORD ARKAN
Original caption: LON94:YUGOSLAVIA-ARKAN:PRIJEDOR,BOSNIA,15JAN00 - FILE PHOTO 21OCT95 - Serb warlord Zeljko Raznatovic, known as Arkan (R), who is wanted by an international tribunal for alleged war crimes, was shot dead January 15, the independent news agency Beta said. "Arkan, who was shot and seriously wounded in the Intercontinental Hotel this evening, died on the way to the hospital," the Belgrade agency said, quoting doctors from Belgrade Emergency Centre. Arkan is seen reviewing his "Serbian Tigers" troops in Prijedor, northwest Bosnia. jdp/Photo by Ranko Cukovic *******

http://pro.corbis.com/images/0000271815-023.jpg?size=67&uid={3e654418-4373-415b-b77c-0d6f09da3f35}

Member of Serbian Militia "Arkan's Tigers"
A member of the Serbian Volunteer Guard, or "Arkan's Tigers," wears ammunition during training exercises in Erdut during the Yugoslavian Civil War. In 1997, the founder of the Serbian Volunteer Guard, Zeljko Raznatovic (known as Arkan), was indicted by a war crimes tribunal on charges that during the war, he lead the Tigers on massive ethnic cleansing campaigns against Bosnian Croats.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/0000271815-007.jpg?size=67&uid={835b9072-95d1-468c-ba91-7d095e46ac52}


Serbian Militant Arkan During Yugoslavian Civil War
Serbian nationalist Zeljko Raznatovic (R), better known as Arkan, is in Erdut training members of the Serbian Volunteer Guard, or "Arkan's Tigers," during the Yugoslavian Civil War. In 1997, Arkan was indicted by a war crimes tribunal on charges that during the war, he lead the Tigers on massive ethnic cleansing campaigns against Bosnian Croats.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/0000271815-015.jpg?size=67&uid={f0f81bf9-c5da-4eda-b645-4d6c917ba3c6}

Members of Arkan's Tigers Training During Yugoslavian Civil War
Members of the Serbian Volunteer Guard, or "Arkan's Tigers," perform training exercises in Erdut during the Yugoslavian Civil War. In 1997, the founder of the Serbian Volunteer Guard, Zeljko Raznatovic (known as Arkan), was indicted by a war crimes tribunal on charges that during the war, he lead the Tigers on massive ethnic cleansing campaigns against Bosnian Croats.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/0000271408-020.jpg?size=67&uid={6d90e69d-ecb8-4e00-869b-ad9e5947de15}

http://pro.corbis.com/images/0000271408-031.jpg?size=67&uid={ab89abf7-783f-4ac7-a667-46906c81a949}

Yugoslavian Federal Army Destroys Croatian City of Vukovar
Yugoslavian soldiers and Serb paramilitaries, including Zeljko "Arkan" Raznatovic, walk past bombed buildings riddled with bullet holes and streets filled with rubble after a three-month battle between the Croatian armed forces and the Yugoslavian Federal Army in Vukovar. The Yugoslavian Federal Army completely destroyed the Croatian city, killing thousands of civilians, while the Serbian Volunteer Guard, formed by Raznatovic, was responsible for massive ethnic cleansing campaigns against Bosnian Croats.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/UT0015263.jpg?size=67&uid={f0e8fedd-7c26-414e-b968-e5a7b2f329b5}

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1345000/images/_1347218_copyright_haviv2_300.jpg
Haviv captured a moment of brutality (C) Ron Haviv/Saba

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/photos/010222.arkan.jpg
Serbian "Tiger" Leader Arkan and his troops pose with a baby tiger.
© 1991 Ron Haviv

Dalleer
03-09-2004, 12:57 PM
http://www.tridentmilitary.com/new-photos11/spm3b.jpg

Is it just me, but do the tigers eyes look somehow very strange...

Looks like Arkan didn't really know how to sew correct eyes on his tiger-party's insignia or the tiger there has taken a fair amount of LSD.

shrek
03-09-2004, 01:06 PM
Nice LAW on the kickers back! Wonder where he got it?

Dalleer
03-09-2004, 01:22 PM
Nice LAW on the kickers back! Wonder where he got it?

I think that the "LAW" that the man has on his back is the Yugoslavian M80 "Zolja" LAW that pretty much is standard issue anti-tank weapon for them or something...

Note, I could be wrong here.

Upfrontreporting
03-09-2004, 01:45 PM
shrek wrote:
Nice LAW on the kickers back! Wonder where he got it?


I think that the "LAW" that the man has on his back is the Yugoslavian M80 "Zolja" LAW that pretty much is standard issue anti-tank weapon for them or something...

Note, I could be wrong here.


That's right, it's the Zolja a very similar weapon to the LAW, although the caliber is 64 mm.

Elkabong why do you want these pictures.?


regards.

He219
03-09-2004, 01:53 PM
I read an article in SOF and saw the images of Arkan's brutal takeover of BIJELJINA and JANJA, back in 1992 sometime.

I remember pictures of those guys kicking that woman and the PSG-1 rifle of the Tiger unit's sniper, among others.

For the actual images, look for Ron Haviv's (http://www.bloodandhoney.com)book ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/605000/images/_605266_tigers150.jpghttp://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1345000/images/_1347218_copyright_haviv150.jpg
Tigers committed some of the most brutal atrocities in Bosnia

John Simpson's 1999 interview with Arkan (BBC) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/305000/video/_309769_full_movie_vi.ram)

The INDICTMENT (http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/ark-ii970930e.htm) against Zeljko Raznatovic

http://serbnews.com/arkan/arkan-bos.jpg

http://serbnews.com/arkan/arkan-poster.jpg

http://www.rcp-brcko.com/arkan%20foto/arkan%2009.JPG

http://www.rcp-brcko.com/arkan%20foto/arkan%2014.JPG

http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeserb/specials/topspot/images/tigrovi_erdut91.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeserb/specials/topspot/images/arkan_bijeljina92.jpg

Picture Link (http://www.geocities.com/holocaust_of_bosniaks/images/serbian_soldiers_kick_bodies_of_bosniak_civilians_bijeljina_1992.jpg)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeserb/specials/topspot/images/arkan_sloba.jpg

M203
03-09-2004, 02:11 PM
Arkan was a thief, he was wanted for robberys in western Europe. Beside armed robbery in Sweden, breaking in to different places stealing he also ran drug and cigarettsmuggling. Think he was arrested in Sweden but got away when it was time for trial. He got help from armed persons when breaking free and fled to yugoslavia.

Heard the news of his departure when I was in Kosovo, cant say I cried.

Have a good day

And the so called tigers where simple hooligans recruited from the red star fan club.

el_kab0ng
03-09-2004, 04:16 PM
Elkabong why do you want these pictures.?


It's just one of those things I read about, but had never seen. A few years ago PBS did like an 8 hour documentary on the whole thing (including events from WWI on up) in which I learned more than I ever cared to know.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

Upfrontreporting
03-09-2004, 04:31 PM
Quote:
Elkabong why do you want these pictures.?



It's just one of those things I read about, but had never seen. A few years ago PBS did like an 8 hour documentary on the whole thing (including events from WWI on up) in which I learned more than I ever cared to know.


Fair enough, I understand that.

I saw the same documentary a couple of years ago on BBC, it was very good.


regards.

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 03:27 PM
Arkan - Serbian Hero.

Not mine, personally, as he was a petty criminal before he became leader of the "Tigers" - and a corrupt "politician" in Milosevic's government after -but from the people I have spoken to, who have lived in Bosnia and truly experienced war during all that **** in the 1990's - they thank him for saving their lives.

He219
03-26-2004, 03:39 PM
'Saving Lives' selectively ....
:roll:

http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/serbian_soldiers_kick_bodies_of_bosniak_civilians_bijeljina_1992.jpg

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 03:43 PM
@He219:

Its sad that such stuff happend.
But, did you know, close to 2 million Serbs live in Bosnia - who was going to protect them? NATO? SFOR? UN? NGO's? Any of these other, abbriviated organizations?

Doubt it.

Arkan and his Tigers took the job no one wanted in their hands.

He219
03-26-2004, 03:48 PM
The tigers were executioners, haters and racist criminals. A private death squad.

Scenes like that pervaded the 90's - on both sides. Hate begets Hate.
:|

Some Guy
03-26-2004, 03:55 PM
its unfortunate he didn't get more of what he deserved.

What he got was a good start though..

Claymore
03-26-2004, 04:04 PM
Arkan and his Tigers took the job no one wanted in their hands.

So actually they were the victims as much as civilians killed by them?
There are no reasons that could justify their actions.

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 04:08 PM
What actions? What did they do?
You probably just saw some dumbass Hollywood movie...

He219
03-26-2004, 04:14 PM
What actions? What did they do?
You probably just saw some dumbass Hollywood movie...

Read this (http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/ark-ii970930e.htm) ....

:|

Claymore
03-26-2004, 04:24 PM
What actions? What did they do?
You probably just saw some dumbass Hollywood movie...

Was massacre of Srebrenica also only a dumbass Hollywood movie?
(no, I don't know if brave men of Hero Arkan were there or not)

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 04:28 PM
Srebrenica, however a horrific crime, was a retaliation for what Islamic mujahadeen did to Serbian villages in Bosnia prior to that.

AK-Lover
03-26-2004, 04:29 PM
Well I can already see that this forum is basic serb bashing so I'll just post quickly: the people you see there in the picture that were executed were found to be helping the extreme right wing ustashi group HVO that killed innocent muslims and serbs. They were helping evil nazis and weren't smart enough to leave when we came to liberate the town of fascist croatian scum! :bash:

Ichhabe
03-26-2004, 04:30 PM
What actions? What did they do?
You probably just saw some dumbass Hollywood movie...

I don't know what is worst?!?

A) That you are in totally denial mode.

or

B) That you can lie with such a straight face.

So Arkan's tigers were just some misunderstood boy scouts that were at the wrong place at the wrong time?

No wonder that the Serbs does not have any respect unless they have you at gun point.

Man do I feel sorry for your country. You are not in a million miles of being trusted to be let in to the warmth of other civilized countries company if the attitude you show in here is also what is seemed as normal in Serbia.

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 04:36 PM
Shut up, fascist.
When Serbs were being sent to Norway's concentration camps by Nazis during WWII, what did Norweigans do? Nothing!

Haiw
03-26-2004, 04:44 PM
Norwegian concentration camps? That's a new one for me... :roll:

REMOV
03-26-2004, 04:46 PM
But, did you know, close to 2 million Serbs live in Bosnia - who was going to protect them?Against whom, other Serbs?! You know this civil war was started by Serbs (after referendum in March 1992) or their leaders - not anyone else.

Claymore
03-26-2004, 04:48 PM
weren't smart enough to leave when we came to liberate the town of fascist croatian scum!
So that was croatian town with croatian civilians. Of course they would help their own armed forces.

If croatian forces had "liberated" your town, would they have right to execute serbian civilians because of helping serbian fighters?



B) That you can lie with such a straight face.

= accept war crimes

Ichhabe
03-26-2004, 05:13 PM
Shut up, fascist.
When Serbs were being sent to Norway's concentration camps by Nazis during WWII, what did Norweigans do? Nothing!

What could we do your ignorant idiot???

We were occupied by the German Wermacht.

And the Norwegians tried to their best to help and support the Serbian POW's by smuggling food to them for FREE, NO STRINGS ATTACHED. If caught, they could end up in German concetration camps down in Germany.(By the way: Do you know the feeling of helping others unconditionally??)

And for your ignorant information: There are a lot of places ALL OVER NORWAY that have set up statues and different memoriblia in remembrence of the Serbs that lost their lifes so far away from their beloved motherland.
And to day, YOU stink that valuable memory, just by brething the air. If stoopid could be measured on a scale from 1 to 10... You would be a perfect 11.

http://melhusguiden.no/severdig/kmerke1.jpg

This one is in Melhus.

http://home.online.no/~hahaakon/images/blod4.jpg

This is in memory of the Yugoslavs that was killed making the Road of Blood.
Here is also a link to the page made in their memory.http://home.online.no/~hahaakon/bloodroad.htm


http://www.fosna-folket.no/multimedia/archive/00157/serberhytta_157901a

This is from the inside of the Serbhut. This was a resting place for Serb POW's that had escaped from German capture before they were smuggled over to Sweden by Norwegian helpers.


There are a lot lot lot more that I can post on this issue if you want me to.
And the Serbs, Croats and other Yugoslavs that met their fate in Norway are all remembered on our National day, May 17th. Flowers are layed down on their graves and stones that are raised in their memory all over the country.
Due to the help that Norwegian civilians gave to the Yugoslav POW's during WW II, there was a special bond developed between our two nations. But I guess you did not know that. Idiot. :bash:

SerbPVO
03-26-2004, 05:33 PM
You know what?
THAT is the kind of response I wanted:)

Let me apologize - I really didn't mean what I said.
I was just testing , to see if you're some little kid who doesn't know anything about history.

I didn't appreciate your comments about Serbs being "uncivilized/etc" - but i'll forgive that, if you forgive me:)

As for Arkan, im betting you weren't there in Bosnia, when all that happend. Same with me. So, neither of us can say what is truth and what is not.
So lets leave it at that.


http://www.rastko.org.yu/isk/images/friendship_centre.jpg
The Centre of Serbian-Norwegian Friendship in Gornji Milanovac
(notice the shape)

Ichhabe
03-26-2004, 05:40 PM
*Darn... There goes the base ball bat back in the closet*

Well, I did not call the Serbs as a whole uncivilized. It was their leaders up to 2000 that was.

And for your information: I used to visit Serb homes when I was down in Kosovo. I know the hardship these people are going through because the criminal leadership they hade decived them.

And of course, I accept your appology. :hug:

(And I was in Bosnia in 95. ;) )

tiger-unit
03-27-2004, 04:47 AM
ya, thats where I got my name name from.

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Haiw
03-27-2004, 07:11 AM
Cool name... Shall I change my name to "SS camp guard"? :roll:

Claymore
03-27-2004, 01:54 PM
As for Arkan, im betting you weren't there in Bosnia, when all that happend. Same with me. So, neither of us can say what is truth and what is not.
So lets leave it at that.


It's clear enough that men of Arkan did war crimes. Lies can't make the bodies of their victims disappear.

Should everyone just forget the crimes made by serb forces in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo? I can see that you want that happen. Actually someone could think that you accept those actions. :roll:

SerbPVO
03-27-2004, 01:57 PM
One very interesting pic!

Following Arkan's assasination in Belgrade's Inter-Continental hotel...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/625000/images/_628973_lazioarkan300.jpg

Lazio fans hold an "Honour to Tiger Arkan" banner.

Haiw
03-27-2004, 01:59 PM
Those stupid football fans deserve a few harsh kicks in the nuts...

And that's an understatement.

SerbPVO
03-27-2004, 02:06 PM
But of course, Arkan was a criminal of some kind.
Otherwise, he'd feel no need to live in such a private fortress as this...

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/FT0149200.jpg

SerbPVO
03-27-2004, 02:09 PM
Arkan's wife, now widow - popular Serbian singer Svetlana Raznatovic "Ceca".

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/UT0134862.jpg