'British' fighters killed in Chechnya

[wulfstan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3547217.stm

I wonder what the back story is to this, the TV footage i saw of it had Russian officials holding up some old style black UK passports, like the ones i haven't seen for years!

[Javehn]

Yes , managed to saw the end of that report on Russian news . Perhaps some Russian members could shed a light on this subject .

[Steve Andrews]

That's probably the passport that I had pick-pocketed in Amsterdam a few years ago.

[wulfstan]

That's probably the passport that I had pick-pocketed in Amsterdam a few years ago.

That's your contribution to international terrorism, hope you're proud of yourself. :lol:

[Sixgun Symphony]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.

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rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.
Praise be to Allah for all the fit Turkish chicks. :D

[wulfstan]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there

and if they go the same way as this we could have a solution to the problem!

[Sabre]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

Our immigration laws are not lax. Immigration is the legal entry of a foreign national into a country, and is subject to quite stringent controls. The application to 'emigrate' begins in their resident country and must be approved before they can enter the country.

Asylum is different, this can be requested when a person has illegally entered the country. Their circumstances are considered and if they have a valid claim they are granted asylum. The fact of the matter is that, once they have asylum, our benefits are stupidly generous. This also causes problems in terms of benefit fraud, but that is a separate issue. Whislt they are waiting to be 'processed' it is difficult to keep tabs on all of them, and some have managed to slip away and work/live illegally for whatever reason (not terrorism mainly, but to pay off their debt to their 'traffickers')

The main problem is the sheer number of people managing to get into the UK illegally. Much the same as with illiegal aliens from Mexico entering the US, we have difficulty in stopping them from entering. It is obvious, however, that due to the geographical location of the UK these people have passed through several (if not dozens) of countries prior to arriving in the UK. Why, then, did they not settle in them? In reality, the majority of people leaving their home country as a refugee will stop in a neighbouring country where the language/culture is similar, and of course it is cheaper and easier to get to.

Many people still target the UK due to our 'soft' benefit system. What can be done, though, once they are here? You can't send them back to France or Germany which they passed through because they have nothing to do with them. The choice is either to let them stay, to send them back to their country of origin, or to find a country that will agree to take them (bloody impossible).

BTW, the muslims we are 'crawling with' are in the majority second, third or greater descendants of people we ruled over in the days of empire. They were commonwealth citizens and had every right to come to Britain to live and work. They are valued members of society (as long as your not a BNP ****) and detest the actions of fundamentalists as much as anyone else.



There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.


Take your religious bigotry somewhere else. It stinks.

[RomanS]

Chechen terrorists don't mind having people come and fight for them. But times are changing. They don't want anyone who is non-Islamic to join them.

Its no surprice to us. Terrorists had/have almost every nation come there and fight for them.

[Gordon]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.

It's not as if the US exactly have a fantastic record reguarding this kind of thing.

[martinexsquaddie]

I don't live in christendom thank god :lol:

[Haiw]

We should make a stage for Sixgun and the serbian kiddo... and just let 'em rattle and tape it. Would make for great comedy. :D

[16 OBr SpN]

This is old news.
If I could list foreignors I saw in Chechnya, the only ones not in the list would be from the Ivory Coast! ;)
Of course, I'm little bit exaggerating, but there were many of them.
Hell, even the Japanese!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[RomanS]

This is old news.
If I could list foreignors I saw in Chechnya, the only ones not in the list would be from the Ivory Coast! ;)
Of course, I'm little bit exaggerating, but there were many of them.
Hell, even the Japanese!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

There were Chinese Muslims as well. Gelaev's units

Majority of those mercs, if captured by our guys, never made it to court.

[wulfstan]

Majority of those mercs, if captured by our guys, never made it to court.

This could so easily have been the case with the Guantanimo Brits, if the Northern Alliance had just killed them on the spot like they supposedly did with captured foriegn fighters then the parents that fought to get them home would never have known what happened to them. They should be grateful for this, i doubt the Northern Alliance sent letters home to all the people they killed...

[OldRecon]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.

You have some wery enlightened views. Where the f*** do you get them from??? :|

If you wanna know a little bit about ordinary people in the Levant you can get a glimpse here: www.saqinet.com (and I think you need that glimpse).

[marktigger]

Islamic Fundementalists exist across the world and will go to fight in other countries like the force the CIA financed in Afganistan against the Russians. Elements of who turned up in the Balkans fighting the Serbs, Croats UN NATO etc. Other elements went to help the chechins others went elsewere in the world and there have been US Fighters there as well. Islam can mobilise its Fundementalists to its cause and has been able to do so for centuries ask the Spannish.

[Argyll]

Have these passports(Black ones) not been out of circulation for at least 10 years?

[Krasnaya Zvezda]

Exerpt from BBC article Chechen fighters 'hold UK papers':

There are also daily attacks on Russian troops in Chechnya - and Chechen men continue to disappear as a result of Russian security operations.


Daily attacks on Russian troops? Maybe...but how can the BBC substantiate these claims? Do they have fresh and reliable information from Chechnya or are they rather just regurgitating the complete nonsense that is published on Chechen propaganda sites (which seems to be the case)?
And about Chechen men disappearing...those who do disappear at the hands of Russian troops are probably "disappearing" for a good reason. Such as those claiming to be "innocent civilians" and being smeared with gunpowder all over, having bruised and scratched shoulders, and the like. Do you think they ever held a rifle in their hands? C'mon...
Besides nobody is willing to mention that a lot of these "disappearances" are actually the result of kidnappings / hostage takings by Chechen bandits. Perhaps that's why the BBC doesn't have the guts to send in reporters over there...

[Marmot1]

Exerpt from BBC article Chechen fighters 'hold UK papers':

There are also daily attacks on Russian troops in Chechnya - and Chechen men continue to disappear as a result of Russian security operations.


Daily attacks on Russian troops? Maybe...but how can the BBC substantiate these claims? Do they have fresh and reliable information from Chechnya or are they rather just regurgitating the complete nonsense that is published on Chechen propaganda sites (which seems to be the case)?
And about Chechen men disappearing...those who do disappear at the hands of Russian troops are probably "disappearing" for a good reason. Such as those claiming to be "innocent civilians" and being smeared with gunpowder all over, having bruised and scratched shoulders, and the like. Do you think they ever held a rifle in their hands? C'mon...
Besides nobody is willing to mention that a lot of these "disappearances" are actually the result of kidnappings / hostage takings by Chechen bandits. Perhaps that's why the BBC doesn't have the guts to send in reporters over there...

Or maybe your authorities do not allow for this... I remember when polish reporters tried to get to chechenya and were refused by russian authorities then they traveled to georgia and thru georgian border entered chechenya and were welcomed by chechens... And now you wonder why in western media only chechen point of view is presented...

[Javehn]

Marmot , i write the exact thing about this in Grozny post , to you by the way . Why would Russian soldiers insert reporters , and then take care of them , like they were a babysitter ? You know how hard it is to manage dissent fight , and to keep an eye (which is very needed when you are in ****) on reporter ? Reporters have very bad tendency to get in the middle of firefight , and then , who do you think would be accounted for this ? Not Chechen , Russian Federal Army would .

Another thing reporters do well , they JUST LOVE to disclose army intentions . Why would Russian army let reporters to see what they doing , disclose their tactics and plans ?? Chechens don't have TV ?

[Marmot1]

Marmot , i write the exact thing about this in Grozny post , to you by the way . Why would Russian soldiers insert reporters , and then take care of them , like they were a babysitter ? You know how hard it is to manage dissent fight , and to keep an eye (which is very needed when you are in ****) on reporter ? Reporters have very bad tendency to get in the middle of firefight , and then , who do you think would be accounted for this ? Not Chechen , Russian Federal Army would .

Another thing reporters do well , they JUST LOVE to disclose army intentions . Why would Russian army let reporters to see what they doing , disclose their tactics and plans ?? Chechens don't have TV ?

You can always delay publication or withdraw acreditation. And I am against reporters babysitiing if they want to expose their ass ok, let it be. They know the risk and I would not cry when one of them die this is their job they know what they are doing.

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Have these passports(Black ones) not been out of circulation for at least 10 years?

I managed to hang on to mine until 97 but now even some of the little red ones are too old to get into the states, so yes clearly fakes

[Argyll]

I'd be more concerned if they were upto date passports,but then again I don't know why

In Bosnia/Croatia/ there were Brits fighting on all sides,as were there Americans too

[Rantanplan]

I bet my bottom five dollars that those passports are legitimate. Britain is crawling with muslims due to the liberal immigration and asylum laws there.

There is a clash of civilizations here and the liberals have opened the gates of Christendom to the Islamic horde.

Word................................MYASS!!!!!!

[Krasnaya Zvezda]

Whether these less-than-humans had British passports or not...they would have deserved to enjoy the "special treatment" reserved by the Russians to foreign mercenaries. Tie their arms and legs to a couple of BMPs and slowly, very slowly give 'em a little "stretch"...(note that the same technique was used in the Middle Ages to take care of heretics etc.)