View Full Version : Illegals planning 'El Gran' boycott with Foreign Backing
Jeremiah
04-01-2006, 03:31 PM
The coalition that organized an estimated 500,000 marchers in Los Angeles to protest immigration reform announced its next mass action is "an economic and labor boycott that will paralyze the U.S. economy."
The radical separatist publication La Voz de Aztlan, the Voice of Aztlan, said the proposed boycott is in response to a "racist" measure in Congress.
The House has passed a bill to tighten border security, but President Bush broadly supports rival legislation being debated in the Senate that contains a guest-worker proposal.
Coalition member Roberto Reveles of "Unidos en Arizona" said his group will host a "summit meeting" April 8 and 9 in Phoenix to work out details of the boycott.
The boycott is scheduled for May 1, the Day of the International Solidarity of Workers, or May 5, the Cinco de Mayo celebration.
Armando Navarro, coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, said, "We are living through very dangerous times and we must take advantage of the moment. If we just sit and wait to see what happens, everything we have accomplished so far may go to waste. That is why we must continue the struggle to once and for all defeat that racist (House) proposal."
In Phoenix, an estimated 10,000 to 12,000 participated in a march and rally last Saturday.
"What occurred on March 24 is a consequence of the people being tired of the treatment we are receiving," Reveles said. "The first step has already been taken, we organized ourselves and have completed the first phase, now we have to prepare for the second."
Reveles said the activists "will not rest" until they see the House bill defeated.
"We are sure that the preparations we make at the summit will lead us to victory," he said. "We are united and only united will we be victorious."
La Voz de Aztlan said the two-day summit will be attended by Mexican-American and other Latino groups from Nevada, Texas, Wisconsin, Washington, New York, Chicago, California and other states.
Representatives from Mexico, Central and South America also will attend.
Navarro said the "international boycott" counts on the support of the consulates of Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba and Mexico, along with Mexican labor organizations.
I'd suggest you to read that again, we are defacto a colony
"We have to demonstrate to the nation, one more time, that its economic stability depends on us," Navarro said. "I am sure that our sister nations of Latin America, who are also tired of the situation, will unite with us.
The professor concluded: "That is why we will celebrate May 1, 'Day of the Worker,' with labor strikes, no purchases and go out and march. Soon they will see the impact we will have!"
As WorldNetDaily reported, one of the organizers of the L.A. rally was the Mexica Movement, which already has decided it is the "non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."
Both Rep. James Sensebrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a proponent of tougher border security, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were caricatured as Nazis by the group on its posters and banners.
The group insists the indigenous people of the continent were the victims of genocide � a campaign of extermination that killed, according to one citation, 95 percent of their population, or 33 million people. Another citation on the same website claims the toll was 70 million to 100 million.
The only solution, says the Mexica Movement, is to expel the invaders of the last 500 years, force them to pay reparations and return the continent to its rightful heirs.
The platform of the group illustrates the diverse � and sometimes extreme � agendas of those participating in the mass mobilizations that have been seen largely as protests against efforts to curb illegal immigration.
The Mexica Movement has big issues with many other equally radical groups participating in the massive, united-front rallies, include the separatist Aztlan Movement.
Aztlan, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. The movement seeks to create a sovereign, Spanish-speaking state, "Republica del Norte," or the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico.
La Voz de Aztlan identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."
Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration � both legal and illegal.
www.worldnetdaily.com . . .
moughoun
04-01-2006, 03:54 PM
credibility, the onion or Worldnetdaily?.............. I'll take the onion.
soprano
04-01-2006, 04:42 PM
Since when the **** diD WE beCOme the Fvckin UNITes States Of CEntral and SOUth America,give me a fuvckin break represenitives from central american countries and mexico not even a citezen and you got the balls to talk trash in this country!!!!!!!!!get the fuVck out then!!!!!!
Hellfish
04-01-2006, 04:47 PM
Since when the **** diD WE beCOme the Fvckin UNITes States Of CEntral and SOUth America,give me a fuvckin break represenitives from central american countries and mexico not even a citezen and you got the balls to talk trash in this country!!!!!!!!!get the fuVck out then!!!!!!
You're a goddamned retard. We can't kick out 12 million people - who will mow your lawns, cook your food, clean your dishes, empty your trash? They're here illegally because the immigration system is broken. Fix it, create a guest worker program, and all will be fine.
G-Capo
04-01-2006, 04:57 PM
During the 1900's the US use to transport Mexican workers by bus from Mexico to the US to work...How things have changed ejeje
AOCBravo2004
04-01-2006, 05:25 PM
You're a goddamned retard. We can't kick out 12 million people - who will mow your lawns, cook your food, clean your dishes, empty your trash? They're here illegally because the immigration system is broken. Fix it, create a guest worker program, and all will be fine.
What happened to the good old days when parents had their kids do a lot of this stuff to instill values???
Kingswat
04-01-2006, 05:28 PM
What happened to the good old days when parents had their kids do a lot of this stuff to instill values???
computers and tv ruined those days, most kids look like they are ready to have a heart attack now by the time they are 12.
Omaha
04-01-2006, 05:32 PM
You're a goddamned retard. We can't kick out 12 million people - who will mow your lawns, cook your food, clean your dishes, empty your trash? They're here illegally because the immigration system is broken. Fix it, create a guest worker program, and all will be fine.
Stop the rest of the bastard’s from coming in. Once they are cut off from their family, they will leave. If not, then they won't have a job because we need to crack down on businesses hiring illegal’s as well.
Anyone can come to this country. Become an American, make fist fulls of money and live a wonderful life. Just do it legally Gonzalez. That's all there is to it.
tuercas
04-01-2006, 06:04 PM
As WorldNetDaily reported, one of the organizers of the L.A. rally was the Mexica Movement, which already has decided it is the "non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."...
i am going to have to see a psychiatrist from being exposed to all of this ignorance. As Mexicans, we may be more mixed than americans but we are still technically "white european" you can look at most mexican birth certificates and under race you will see "blanco" (white) .there are full blooded indians here, but you have to got to the mountains to find them and are generaly looked down upon, with such degrading phrases as "naturalitos" so the so called native pride is not representative of the nation
The only solution, says the Mexica Movement, is to expel the invaders of the last 500 years, force them to pay reparations and return the continent to its rightful heirs.
reparations for what, if they start kicking white people out, we will be rigth there with them
La Voz de Aztlan identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."
this is just the "chicanismo " movement of the 60's revisited triyng to create a "race" out of and "ethnicity" but at a more ignorant level. i understand chicanos are upset, they are not exactly in the high rungs of US society and we Mexicans dont generally consider them our countrymen ,we regard them as americans with funny accents. so they are in a weird middle position, but i would not call them opressed or occupied. the comparisons with the palestinians is beyond ignorant, if these clowns are "america's Palestinians", then i would gladly join "americas IDF"
beNder
04-01-2006, 06:48 PM
computers and tv ruined those days, most kids look like they are ready to have a heart attack now by the time they are 12.
rofl I couldn't help but laugh at that....
askDNA
04-01-2006, 07:15 PM
computers and tv ruined those days, most kids look like they are ready to have a heart attack now by the time they are 12.
x2 rofl so true :|
Hellfish
04-01-2006, 07:28 PM
I'm disgusted that so many of you are opposed to these people being here. The only difference between these immigants, illegal or not, and my grandparents and great grandparents is that they didn't come in through Ellis Island. I would argue they put a lot more into this country than they get out of it.
Apathy
04-01-2006, 08:06 PM
I'm disgusted that so many of you are opposed to these people being here. The only difference between these immigants, illegal or not, and my grandparents and great grandparents is that they didn't come in through Ellis Island. I would argue they put a lot more into this country than they get out of it.
The only difference between my parents and them is that my parents came here LEGALLY. They accepted American values and rules unlikes these stupid f*cks who still think that California is part of Mexico.
signatory
04-01-2006, 08:32 PM
The only difference between my parents and them is that my parents came here LEGALLY. They accepted American values and rules unlikes these stupid f*cks who still think that California is part of Mexico.
So how many immigrants would you accept from Mexico? Put out a number and let's see... 0, 10,000, 100,000, 1 million ? If they were ALL legals because the quota was raised that wouldn't solve the issues anyway...
What's your suggestion? Eh, American values... lol... did you take a citizenship test to verify you're good enough for the nation?
btw, most of the "old immigrants" (Europeans/asians) came before the Quota Laws, most came before Ellis island, before the Quota Laws (which in effect removed the purpose of Ellis as less people were accepted)
It even used to be a state decision not federal...
Apathy
04-01-2006, 08:41 PM
So how many immigrants would you accept from Mexico? Put out a number and let's see... 0, 10,000, 100,000, 1 million ? If they were ALL legals because the quota was raised that wouldn't solve the issues anyway...
1,337.
What's your suggestion? Eh, American values... lol... did you take a citizenship test to verify you're good enough for the nation?
I took that test when I was 4 and got a B+. My parents were not pleased.
btw, most of the "old immigrants" (Europeans/asians) came before the Quota Laws, most came before Ellis island, before the Quota Laws (which in effect removed the purpose of Ellis as less people were accepted)
It even used to be a state decision not federal...
My parents came to America in the 1980s. ^_^
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signatory
04-01-2006, 08:47 PM
You forgot to include a funny picture you worthless you.
Apathy
04-01-2006, 08:50 PM
You forgot to include a funny picture you worthless you.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/apathy18/1142723947515.jpg
haze99
04-01-2006, 08:58 PM
The decline of America has been going on for 40+ years, this is but another signpost on the way to oblivion. You have been forewarned!
TacoDelRio
04-01-2006, 09:21 PM
HAHAHAHAHAH
LOOKS LIKE I'LL BE ALONE AT WORK ON MONDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
The protests here are mostly schoolkids, who sure as sh*t don't look like their generation ran across the border. Maybe their parents did. Thing is, their parents are too busy WORKING. Funny thing about that...
kaspur_eh
04-01-2006, 11:22 PM
something obviously needs to be done to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in... we need to secure our borders otherwise we are just letting anyone who wishes so, to just come on in... criminals, terrorists who knows!?
come legally, or keep on your side of the fence f***ers, too many people wait years and years to come to this country legally by earning it.
Lt-Col A. Tack
04-01-2006, 11:34 PM
I'm disgusted that so many of you are opposed to these people being here. The only difference between these immigants, illegal or not, and my grandparents and great grandparents is that they didn't come in through Ellis Island. I would argue they put a lot more into this country than they get out of it.
Part of the problem is that many Americans, including myself, don't feel we have any real control over immigration anymore.
Even if it were only for purely economic reasons, we still have the right to insist that there be some control over who comes across and who doesn't. As it is, there's also a very serious national security issue to consider.
We really don't have to justify ourselves to anyone for asserting what is naturally a sovereign right of any nation. We can be as capricious and inconsistent as we like about our immigration policy and that doesn't change a thing.
Hellfish
04-01-2006, 11:52 PM
Part of the problem is that many Americans, including myself, don't feel we have any real control over immigration anymore.
Even if it were only for purely economic reasons, we still have the right to insist that there be some control over who comes across and who doesn't. As it is, there's also a very serious national security issue to consider.
We really don't have to justify ourselves to anyone for asserting what is naturally a sovereign right of any nation. We can be as capricious and inconsistent as we like about our immigration policy and that doesn't change a thing.
You're absolutely right - we have no control over immigration anymore. Nobody comes here illegally because they want to - they come over here because they need the work. I've never immigrated to my own country, of course, but as I understand it the process to get a work visa in the US can take years, never mind the process to get a green card.
If you're a peasant Mexican, Guatemalen, Salvadoran, why would you bother with that? If you've got a family to feed, no opportunity at home, and the potential to make many times more in America than you could ever hope to in their home, why wouldn't they come here? And why would they want to wait 2 years to get their visa?
I don't think we have a threat of terrorism from Central Americans. I think setting up a guest worker program is the best solution. Amnesty for eveyone here now that registers. They all get added into a database, have to renew once a year, and maybe a couple other stipulations (must have an employer/family sponsor in the US, maybe, or have a 5 year limit in the US, after which they must apply for citizenship). They can walk into an immigration office with the documents they need and walk out the same day with a work permit.
Don't need to criminalize them for it. No purpose - our prisons, police and legal system are already clogged with out stupid drug laws. We don't need stupid punitive immigration laws to make it worse, and send more people into hiding (where they will be exploited.
TacoDelRio
04-01-2006, 11:56 PM
I think this bill is more aimed at damaging their support structure, which I agree with 100%. I don't think people here should support illegal immigration in any way, no freakn' excuses. Regardless of if it's a church, they better just forget the guy they just helped was illegal.
Hellfish
04-02-2006, 12:00 AM
I think this bill is more aimed at damaging their support structure, which I agree with 100%. I don't think people here should support illegal immigration in any way, no freakn' excuses. Regardless of if it's a church, they better just forget the guy they just helped was illegal.
Do they have any other options?
Lt-Col A. Tack
04-02-2006, 12:26 AM
If you're a peasant Mexican, Guatemalen, Salvadoran, why would you bother with that? If you've got a family to feed, no opportunity at home, and the potential to make many times more in America than you could ever hope to in their home, why wouldn't they come here?
Not saying there aren't a lot of sympathetic cases out there, but the fact the economic situation in many Latin American countries is awful is something that each of their governments to deal with, not us. I feel in a way we are being penalized for the fact that our economic, political, and yes, military activities have brought a high standard to the people of this country.
And why would they want to wait 2 years to get their visa?
The convenience and expediency of the immigration process does really affect
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of reasons to feel sympathy for the individuals, but the fact that it's a bureaucratic headache really doesn't change the basic issues surrounding territorial sovereignty.
I don't think we have a threat of terrorism from Central Americans.
That kind of assessment is made by appropriate intelligence organizations.
I think setting up a guest worker program is the best solution. Amnesty for eveyone here now that registers. They all get added into a database, have to renew once a year, and maybe a couple other stipulations (must have an employer/family sponsor in the US, maybe, or have a 5 year limit in the US, after which they must apply for citizenship). They can walk into an immigration office with the documents they need and walk out the same day with a work permit.
But without strengthened border enforcement, this really just makes the problem of illegal immigration worse by removing the consequences and increasing the benefits for illegal activity.
Don't need to criminalize them for it. No purpose - our prisons, police and legal system are already clogged with out stupid drug laws. We don't need stupid punitive immigration laws to make it worse, and send more people into hiding (where they will be exploited.
The fact of the matter is that if anyone is here without legal justification, then they are breaking laws, and, unfortunatly are criminals. What we do about it, I don't know. Having allowed this to go on for so long, I'm not sure what practical solutions are available to us.
But there certainly is no, repeat no, justification for this outrage directed against a citizen group like the Minutemen.
TacoDelRio
04-02-2006, 04:34 AM
Do they have any other options?
Do something big and defensive about the border, IE walls and a frickin' minefield. I doubt as many people are going to cross if we get some AP mines in a good pattern. Or rather, some AT mines set to detonate with less ground pressure, that way we don't have our government supporting lots of legless illegals in hospitals, know what I mean?:fork: :bash: :-*$
I'd go for it. Then again don't vote for me.
Do they have any other options?
"they" could do what spain did:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4579127.stm
Spain is processing work papers for about 700,000 illegal immigrants already living in the country after holding a three-month amnesty.
Other European nations, such as Italy, have called amnesties like this in the past but never on such a large scale.
And Spain's move comes at a time when the EU-wide trend is to crack down on economic migrants.
Spain was royally rapped on the knuckles for its unilateral action at a recent meeting of the interior ministers of the G5 - Europe's five wealthiest nations.
or "they" could do what mexico does:
http://www.economist.com/world/la/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2388487
Last year Mexico deported 147,000 illegal immigrants in all, some 20% more than in 2002.
THANKFULLY australia doesnt have the numbers of illegal migrants that the US and EU have.
our illegal immigrants number in the hundreds not millions, so its feasible to lock all of them up until they are deported.
http://www.immi.gov.au/facts/82detention.htm
Australia's Migration Act 1958 requires that all non-Australian citizens who are unlawfully in Australia be detained and that unless they are granted permission to remain in Australia, they must be removed as soon as reasonably practicable.
This practice reflects Australia's sovereign right under international law to determine which non-citizens are admitted or permitted to remain in Australia and the conditions under which they may be removed.
Those who are detained include people who are unlawful non-citizens because they have:
- arrived in Australia without a visa
- overstayed their visa, and
- had their visa cancelled.
Those who are found to be refugees are released from detention immediately, subject to health and character requirements.
BTW, the majority of australia's illegal migrants are europeans overstaying visa's.
mattnwnc03
04-02-2006, 09:12 PM
send them packing , if i see another one in my lifetime itll be too soon
annihilation
04-03-2006, 11:00 AM
Immigration reform is definitly needed but i doubt this administration or congress is willing to tackle the issue. Some of the imagies and stories I read over the weekend sicken me. Signs saying California, Mexico...My ass Mexico. My family is from South America and we think all these complaints and protests and non-American flag waving is bull**** and people are lucky we don't treat the illegal immigrants the way Mexico treats theirs. Then there would be justified outrage.
What I do think they need to do is.
1) A fence from ocean to the other, just like how the Isreal has theres.
2) Stong boarder patrol with even possible support from the military (give them future training for the next SOB war)
3) Remove regular cops from enforcing immigration laws, cops are there to protect people who need help and I would like everyone not to be afraid to come up to them.
4)Increase fines, jail time and penalties for any person / company found hiring illegals. The reason there are so many illegals here is because those who hire are not getting punished.
5) Have a controlled worker visa program.
6) If mexico complains enough, deny them of the visa program and allow everyone else to participate.
MCWARPIG
04-03-2006, 02:32 PM
This Subject is starting to chap my a55. I understand the whole immigration issue is volatile all by itself, but the racist comments will stop. I will start unloading the bannings like the VP on a hunting trip. Approach my trigger finger at your own risk.
mudbunny
04-03-2006, 02:43 PM
"Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration � both legal and illegal."
Like i stated in a post a while ago, you don't need to roll into a country with tanks and troops to invade a country. Also, maybe this group could organize a "mass bath", because they all need it.
Dalamara
04-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Looks like extremist movements against the U.S. is the new Black.
MCWARPIG
04-03-2006, 03:18 PM
"This Subject is starting to chap my a55. I understand the whole immigration issue is volatile all by itself, but the racist comments will stop. I will start unloading the bannings like the VP on a hunting trip. Approach my trigger finger at your own risk.
"Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration � both legal and illegal."
Like i stated in a post a while ago, you don't need to roll into a country with tanks and troops to invade a country. Also, maybe this group could organize a "mass bath", because they all need it.
Exactly one post later.. mudbunny takes a chance.. and blam! BANNED.
Omaha
04-03-2006, 04:46 PM
So how many immigrants would you accept from Mexico? Put out a number and let's see... 0, 10,000, 100,000, 1 million ? If they were ALL legals because the quota was raised that wouldn't solve the issues anyway...
What's your suggestion? Eh, American values... lol... did you take a citizenship test to verify you're good enough for the nation?
btw, most of the "old immigrants" (Europeans/asians) came before the Quota Laws, most came before Ellis island, before the Quota Laws (which in effect removed the purpose of Ellis as less people were accepted)
It even used to be a state decision not federal...
It isn't about Mexicans, it isn't about the color of your skin, it isn't about being poor or anything else for that matter. Stop trying to make it as such.
The simple fact is, they broke a FEDERAL law when they illegally crossed our borders. If they aren't a Felon, then I don't know who is.
If we aren't going to go by the letter of the law, then why have the law? If it is there, (Which it is) enforce it.
I don't care if they are the sole reason this country stands on two feet. I don't care if they didn't make a difference of being here or not being here. They are breaking a law, and they should be punished for it. I don't care how much it costs, how long it takes, or how we have to go about doing it. If it is a law, it shall be enforced.
The dog wags the tail, not the other way around.
There is absolutely NO case you can make other wise. I don't even understand why there is a discussion. You break the law, you are punished for it. If you don't want to punish people, then don't make the law.
Black and White.
That being said, anyone that wants to be an American (not wanting to be a foreigner in another country) can and should be one. And they should be treated no different then anyone else.
StukaJr
04-03-2006, 05:07 PM
The borders must be protected period. If there needs to be a reason - the fact that criminals with prior felony convictions can pass into the country unempeded must be stopped. If a minority of convicts makes life for honest migrant workers a little harder - that's just too bad.
I watched a special on TV that had a story on the process of deportation of convicted felons whom were foreigners out of the US - by comercial airlines. This woman travelling with her daughter was terrified to find out that she flew into Mexico on the same plane as 30+ deported illegals with prior convictions for rape, assault and other heinous crimes. No Marshalls were present on that flight - they left the plane after the deportees were boarded. Unsupervised immigration means that non of the illegals are monitored as *** offenders, substance abbusers or felons - often passing under the radar of the law enforcement. Try deporting a gang banger or a convicted felon - they are back before their papers are filed.
I see the new immigration reform is the way to stop this - being an ex-criminal strips a person of many rights, the same should apply to the foreigners.
Mr Gently Benevolent
04-04-2006, 07:19 AM
http://danzigercartoons.com/img/2005/dancart2735.jpg
http://danzigercartoons.com/img/2005/dancart2731.jpg
Mastermind
04-04-2006, 08:44 AM
Yes..I really hope the article is correcto. I would love to see two or three million Illegals marching ...I want them in every town, coast to coast...and then let the likes of a Commie rat socialist like Hugo Chavez praise them for their unity in taking over The United States of America. Then, perhaps, the other 288 million LEGAL American citizens will take the notice that is necesary to make them aware of the serious nature of this problem...PLEASE...PLEASE MARCH IN YOUR MILLIONS.
Violet Fashion by Mindy
04-04-2006, 09:01 AM
The only difference between my parents and them is that my parents came here LEGALLY. They accepted American values and rules unlikes these stupid f*cks who still think that California is part of Mexico.
And that my friend is one of the prime reasons for the bloodshed in places like, the Balkans, Checnya, Basque Seperatists, Ireland, Bouganiville, Palistine, Kurdistan.
Yet we see alot of sympathy for these displaced people.
Fact is, the Spanish were settled in that part of the world long before the British/Irish/German peoples were. And as events in other parts of the world show. Human migration does happen. Especially if it means the chance of a better life.
So what do we do?
Other countries have more or less forced the collapse of Yugoslavia, independance for E Timor, Autonomy for Bouganville, an Independant Ireland, the list goes on.
I'm not telling what the US should do in this situation. I'm just objectivly pointing out that what is happening is not the first time in histoy that it has happened.
Apathy
04-04-2006, 08:44 PM
And that my friend is one of the prime reasons for the bloodshed in places like, the Balkans, Checnya, Basque Seperatists, Ireland, Bouganiville, Palistine, Kurdistan.
I never said you were my friend.
Yet we see alot of sympathy for these displaced people.
Who?
Fact is, the Spanish were settled in that part of the world long before the British/Irish/German peoples were. And as events in other parts of the world show. Human migration does happen. Especially if it means the chance of a better life.
Not really no.
So what do we do?
Something.
Other countries have more or less forced the collapse of Yugoslavia, independance for E Timor, Autonomy for Bouganville, an Independant Ireland, the list goes on.
You forgot Poland.
I'm not telling what the US should do in this situation. I'm just objectivly pointing out that what is happening is not the first time in histoy that it has happened.
That's fantastic. We'll just deport some of these people and be on our way.
Don't drink the water.
Mastermind
04-05-2006, 08:41 AM
When illegal invaders are treated with the same rights and priveleges as legal citizens, then citizenship means nothing. The nation eventually dies of dillution...I cite Rome circa 450 AD
(From "A Brief History of Rome": The Roman empire in the end was overrun by millions of barbarians from the north and east of Europe. It is believed to have happened two or three times in history that huge migrations took place across Europe, where peoples moved to settle in new territories. The great migration proved too much for the Romans to stem. Their armies were designed to defeat other armies, not entire folks and peoples flooding toward them. The collapse was completed when Rome itself was conquered by the Visigoth Odoacer and his men in the year AD 476
It wasn't "Barbarains" that murdered Rome...it was MIGRANTS in their millions...and a dilution of citizenship. Eventually, no one cared if Rome survived or not. United States today is very rapidly approaching the same condition.
*sigh* This is what happens when the government chooses to ignore problems like this. They just let the problem get bigger and bigger and look at what we have now. Mass protests of illigal immigrants telling the government what to do. Now the politicians are arguing with each other on how to solve this problem. It seems like we are rewarding people who commit illegal activities. Hell, why not forgive all prisoners today and solve our problem of overcrowded prisons?
Apathy
04-06-2006, 09:18 PM
*sigh* This is what happens when the government chooses to ignore problems like this. They just let the problem get bigger and bigger and look at what we have now. Mass protests of illigal immigrants telling the government what to do. Now the politicians are arguing with each other on how to solve this problem. It seems like we are rewarding people who commit illegal activities. Hell, why not forgive all prisoners today and solve our problem of overcrowded prisons?
You are giving them ideas!
Mastermind
04-07-2006, 09:20 AM
The border situation has so many political and economic and humanitarian issues invovled, it will not ever be solved by American politicians....so, I suggest we ignore it and just go fishing. I had to change gas stations...my regular station was completely overrun by "undocumented workers" . I can't even get to the pump withut them rushing my car begging for a job
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