Operational Security

[GearGod]

Alright this has bothered me for quite some time now-- So here we go-- Why is it that military information/equipment is available to civilians? As for information I'm talking infantry/SF manuals available on/offline-- As for equipment Im talking anything from camouflage to vests, night vision, etc. Why are civilians allowed to know about military tactics and buy military gear?

Dont get me wrong, Its a HUGE advantage from an Airsofter's perspective-- But from a Government's perspective it would only facilitate terrorist/militia/mercenary-type organizations to be created with the extensive military knowledge/equipment readily available to them--

Once again dont get me wrong--- I just want to know why-- Think about this-- A simple terrorist/militia/mercenary group could be created wearing military gear, using military tactics, and using semi-auto bushmaster M4s or illegal full-auto weapons from a ClassIII dealer or some other illegal source-- Thats something I think the gov't should be worrying about-- Once again dont get me wrong-- I'd love the priviledge of buying a semi-auto bushmaster one day and all my military simulations priviledges-- Just curious as to WHY?

[a. enders]

The public has a right to know.And the makers of those weapons,or the equipment,or the vests or whatever make products for the consumer market.If they were solely depnedant on the govm't contracts they wouldn't last long.Look at the Humvee folks.I don't believe it was JUST military.Wasn't there a consumer division the whole time?
And if it impacts operational security,it won't be disclosed.The DoD won't go on the nightly news and go "Here's our super-duper one-shot wonder weapon and here's how it works."Simple as that.

[Apogee]

Isn't it a little contradictory to post one message talking about how the US lets out all of its secrets about gear and TTPs and then in the same breath ask about the technical differences between SOF/SMU room clearing and a standard infantry room clear. Just my thoughts....

[He219]

The public does have a right to know in a democracy and the HMMWV was designed for the military originally. Arnold Schwartzenegger was the first Civie that purchased one (I believe) many years later. Now the market is HUGE and the H2 is here.

We have a Right in the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution:

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
What part of "shall not be infringed" do people not understand?

I believe that citizens should be a credible threat to defend themselves and their States from tyrrany. The debates are in the form of regulating access to weapons and the threat of the armed criminal. It seems that nowerdays the people are restricted from defending themselves. Gvt. Control & Subjugation makes the armed civilian a criminal. What about all the Gun enthusiasts? The criminal element will use whatever means at their disposal regardless of gun laws. It's the dis-armed civilian that becomes the victim.

I believe equipment the government sees as a threat is also a threat to tyranny. The people elect the government and the citizen becomes the frontline defender of democracy in the cities, streets, neighborhood and in his/her home.

Regulation is one thing, a ban is another thing. What is the statistical distribution of criminals using SF equipment, tactics and equipment? Have you heard of a criminal robbing a liquor store for $20 with a $3,500 dollar HK? It's about our Constitutional Right to excercise our freedom. Enough said. Have a great day!

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He219

[GearGod]

Isn't it a little contradictory to post one message talking about how the US lets out all of its secrets about gear and TTPs and then in the same breath ask about the technical differences between SOF/SMU room clearing and a standard infantry room clear.

LOL How is it contradictory? On one hand Im curious as to why the gov't would freely allow civilians to view the US Military TTP as if they needed to know when they dont--- On the other hand I wanted to know if there was a difference-- And if DELTA/DEVGRU had better CQB TTP I'd like to know about their TTP for future airsoft combat :D


The public does have a right to know in a democracy

Why do they need to know military TTP?


I believe that citizens should be a credible threat to defend themselves and their States from tyrrany.

Isnt that the Army's job? Or are you talking about in the event the US is being invaded and the Army doenst happen to be in your town? That makes sense


It seems that nowerdays the people are restricted from defending themselves

Get a concealed firearm/license and/or bodyguard


What is the statistical distribution of criminals using SF equipment, tactics and equipment? Have you heard of a criminal robbing a liquor store for $20 with a $3,500 dollar HK?

Im not talking regular criminals/robbery Im talking organized crime/terrorists/militia/mercenaries

[Trigger]

adam, you are a gross ignoramus - 144 times worse than a normal ignoramus.

[TFG]

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Im not talking regular criminals/robbery Im talking organized crime/terrorists/militia/mercenaries

You have been watching too many action movies.... :roll:

[a. enders]

:lol: rofl not enough laughing guys.... go Trigger. ;)

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Quote:
I believe that citizens should be a credible threat to defend themselves and their States from tyrrany.


Adam-"Isnt that the Army's job? Or are you talking about in the event the US is being invaded and the Army doenst happen to be in your town? That makes sense "


Adam, look up the word tyrrany and re-read that quote. [/quote]

[JunglistSoldier]

uh... well, adam, reading a fieldmanual on roomclering won't make you good at it and it certainly won't give you an advantage over a team breaching your door. Same with gear, buying an assaultvest won't make you a commando mate, and besides, alot of us buy vests and other gear out of our own pockets cause whats commercially avalible is often so much better then issued crap.

[hood]

here's one for trigger: rofl