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HELEX
03-09-2004, 06:01 PM
Was planned as a tank hunter with automatic loader, better armor and bigger Motor with electrical transmission. Canceld.

Technical Data(in German Language):

http://www.bwb.org/Organisation/WTS/kettenfahrzeuge/PDF/8_2.pdf

http://www.bwb.org/Organisation/WTS/kettenfahrzeuge/PDF/8_3.pdf


http://www.bwb.org/Organisation/WTS/images/vt1-2.jpg

Falco
03-09-2004, 06:12 PM
alomost looks like one of those tanks in the Comand and Conquer series.

ShadowNeo
03-09-2004, 06:14 PM
If you put a big round hump on its back it could look kinda like a snail...

hedgehog
03-09-2004, 06:20 PM
It may have two 120mm's but the chassis is definitely not a leo 2. It only has 5 road wheels. COuld it me a conversion from the Jaguar tank hunter or converted Jagdpanzer 90mm? Or did you mean that this chassis was also a prototype? Still an interesting Stug. :)

Clay
03-09-2004, 06:29 PM
I was wondering why they dont make tanks with 2 guns on them like in Comand and Conquer

HELEX
03-09-2004, 06:30 PM
Chassis is Prototype based on Leopard 2, the Guns are normal 120mm from Rheinmetall.

Operation Ivy
03-09-2004, 08:10 PM
Looks like that tank the US during the beginning of WWII....cant remember name :(

wyrm_142
03-09-2004, 08:12 PM
The M3 Lee perhaps?

Merik
03-09-2004, 08:29 PM
The old Stuart? It had two different sizes of guns but they werent set up like that. One was on a turret while the other was protuding from the main body.

Operation Ivy
03-09-2004, 08:31 PM
The M3 Lee perhaps?

Thats it!

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/M3-Lee-00.jpg

AFACadet
03-09-2004, 08:45 PM
Is that a photoshop????????

Marmot1
03-09-2004, 08:45 PM
The M3 Lee perhaps?

Thats it!

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/M3-Lee-00.jpg

Wow now I noticed that undercariage is simmilar if not identical in M3 Lee and in M4Sherman

http://www.tankfive.net/images/gal%20photofile/m4%20sherman%201.JPG

Backis
03-09-2004, 08:50 PM
Is that a photoshop????????

No, that two-horned beast was a technology demonstrator.. versuchswaffentrager something-or-other...

And the Grant/Lee was real enough... the Soviets named their lend-lease M3's "a coffin for six brothers".

GazB
03-10-2004, 02:46 AM
Two main guns on a tank is not very common for the obvious reason... when designing a tank you put in the most powerful gun you have. That usually means if you put in two guns the offcentre recoil will crack you turret ring. That is why the example above has no turret and therefore would be at a disadvantage in combat.

The only real benefit of having two main guns is a quick second shot... it is better to reduce weight and complexity (ie two guns equals two recoil mechanisms, two stabilisers, two loaders) and spend money on accuracy rather than rate of fire.

The Grant is an example of a very early tank that was designed when armour was quite thin. Because it was so thin a light gun could be used as an anti tank weapon and the Grant used a 37mm gun in the top turret for anti tank use. The 76mm gun in the hull (it generated too much recoil to be put in the small turret) was designed for anti personel use or for use against trenches or bunkers or whatever. By the time it entered service the 37mm gun wasn't much use against new tanks and it relied on the 76mm gun and solid shot rounds to kill tanks, which wasn't ideal as a turret was more flexible... in every sense.

High pressure 76mm guns made two guns unnecessary (Although there were other 76mm guns in service before the T-34s gun it was long barreled and was designed as an anti personel and anti tank gun unlike the short barrel on the Panzer 4 and other types) and as armour got thicker the heavier calibre became first justifed and then made obsolete.

mustamato
03-10-2004, 02:55 AM
Reminds me a little of the American Ontos, that was used in Vietnam, "the
worlds largest shotgun". Although it of course had RCL´s.

http://www.lst1165.org/ontos%20during%20Jackstay.jpg

http://www.thortrains.net/armymen/0ontos2.jpg

Uninen
03-10-2004, 06:09 AM
Whats the big deal? It is basic a "ASSAULT GUN" and those have proved very effective, this is just with two guns.. :)

George W. Bush
03-10-2004, 06:11 AM
Wow.. that's a lot of recoil-less rifles

aeternum
03-10-2004, 06:35 AM
Well it seems more like a newer version with 2 guns of the well known "Sturmgeschütz", the germans used in WWII.

http://www.panzerlexikon.de/dstug3.jpg

http://www.panzerlexikon.de/stugiv.jpg

Backis
03-10-2004, 06:37 AM
Sturmgeschutz=assault gun. The English term is actually a straight translation of the German term. Kinda like "sturmgewehr" and "assault rifle". ;)

And Panzerlexikon don't like hotlinking of their pictures! :bash:

;) :lol:

Uninen
03-10-2004, 07:24 AM
Like i all ready said.. a Rynnäkkötykki or aka Sturmgeschutz / Assault gun.. ;)