French riots :-)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

US Cubicle Serfs Mock French Protesters

ATLANTA (The Moscow Tribune) -- Two clerks at a medium-sized financial services company passed intranet emails to each other mock*ing the recent student-worker protests in France.

"Gee, another worker's protest in France. That's a surprise!" wrote Jeff Wilkins, a third-year clerk, or "associate."

Patty Dwyer, who has been working as a "long-term temp" for two years at the company, agreed. "The French protest anything. They're just incapable of dealing with reality. A company's all about shareholder value, Froggy, not about your finan*cial security. Duh!"

Wilkins denounced French work*ers' demands for shorter work weeks, mandated holidays and job security, telling them "if that's what you want, start your own company, but don't go ruining other people's companies." Wilkins coined a neolo*gism, calling the French "cheese-eat*ing vacation monkeys."

"Nice one;O)" Dwyer responded, using an emoticon. She considered standing up in her cubicle and leaning over the partition to give Wilkins a high-five, but her supervisor walked by.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Oh nice one.:)

[ed316]

hehe, Good one.

[WarriorMonk]

US Cubicle serfs...haha...geh.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

pffft -stupid suckers, foolish wage-slaves working when they could be in the streets with paint on their faces!

[c62]

US Cubicle Serfs Mock French Protesters

ATLANTA (The Moscow Tribune) -- Two clerks at a medium-sized financial services company passed intranet emails to each other mock*ing the recent student-worker protests in France.

"Gee, another worker's protest in France. That's a surprise!" wrote Jeff Wilkins, a third-year clerk, or "associate."

Patty Dwyer, who has been working as a "long-term temp" for two years at the company, agreed. "The French protest anything. They're just incapable of dealing with reality. A company's all about shareholder value, Froggy, not about your finan*cial security. Duh!"

Wilkins denounced French work*ers' demands for shorter work weeks, mandated holidays and job security, telling them "if that's what you want, start your own company, but don't go ruining other people's companies." Wilkins coined a neolo*gism, calling the French "cheese-eat*ing vacation monkeys."

"Nice one;O)" Dwyer responded, using an emoticon. She considered standing up in her cubicle and leaning over the partition to give Wilkins a high-five, but her supervisor walked by. A little off topic... But what is the deal with the astericks in the middle of the words? They aren't foul language(well, ok, mayber work*ers is in france, but the rest?).

[BlackRain]

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You (SMACK) ARE (SMACK) THE WORST (SMACK) MIME EVER!

[sir-chimp]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060404/i/r2642687996.jpg

You (SMACK) ARE (SMACK) THE WORST (SMACK) MIME EVER!


rofl rofl rofl rofl

[2Sheds_Jackson]

You know, many of us disagree violently on a variety of issues - but I think we can all fully support the beating of mimes.

[gsm]

British airline chief blasts 'lazy frogs'
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1789096.html

The chief executive of a British no frills airline has branded the French "lazy frogs" for the second time in a week.

Philip Meeson, chief executive of Jet2.com, was angry that one of his planes was delayed flying back to Britain by protesting French students...

[Mr.K]

Silence american serfs go back to work, besides "arbeit macht frei"p-)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

British airline chief blasts 'lazy frogs'
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1789096.html

The chief executive of a British no frills airline has branded the French "lazy frogs" for the second time in a week.

Philip Meeson, chief executive of Jet2.com, was angry that one of his planes was delayed flying back to Britain by protesting French students...


It was striking air traffic controllers not students

[Kilgor]

Maybe communism would be better for france, cradle to the grave welfare and no reality with the global economy.

[Greek soldier]

Actually, I will cite what a girl said on TV:

A woman asks her: "You don't want the CPE, you don't want flexibility, you don't want free lay-offs, what do you want?"

The girl replies: "We want a steady job and a future. Just like out parents".

My comment to her: Your parents were born after WWII, and they are considered baby-boomers. Are you willing to go for a War, destroy the country and then rebuild it?

This is how economies develop...

[roland]

Maybe communism would be better for france, cradle to the grave welfare and no reality with the global economy.

France is already ruled by communist civil servant trade unions those last 20 years and it didn't did us any good.
I tell you the private companies are in touch with the global economy and reality. That's the civil servants and the brainwashed students that are living on an other planet. Unfortunately the retired, unemployed, civil servant or civil servant like workers and there family are the majority now. So they'll continue to taxe to death the private sector that fund them until there isn't enough to feed them. When the banker is going to say NO and that's going to be the bankrupcy of France, and France is going to get "Argentinized". The sooner the better, the France that invents and works is fed up to feed all those parasits.
So we'll have to reform anyway but as usual with France the hard way: french see light only when in the dark.

[BlackRain]

France is already ruled by communist civil servant trade unions those last 20 years and it didn't did us any good.
I tell you the private companies are in touch with the global economy and reality. That's the civil servants and the brainwashed students that are living on an other planet. Unfortunately the retired, unemployed, civil servant or civil servant like workers and there family are the majority now. So they'll continue to taxe to death the private sector that fund them until there isn't enough to feed them. When the banker is going to say NO and that's going to be the bankrupcy of France, and France is going to get "Argentinized". The sooner the better, the France that invents and works is fed up to feed all those parasits.
So we'll have to reform anyway but as usual with France the hard way: french see light only when in the dark.

Look on the bright side. We may get another 'Les Miserables' type musical out of it. p-)

Good post.

[Sharp]

A mon avis : les étudiants manifestent simplement dans l'espoir de voir chirac partir.

Dans tous les cas il y a reellement un probleme au niveau des emplois en france avec les jeunes non qualifiés.

Tu es jeune et tu vas voir une boite : on te demande d'avoir de l'experience.
Lors de mes etudes j'avais besoin d'un stage d'un mois, totalement gratuit de la part de l'employeur, j'ai fait 20 boutiques, aucune n'a daignée repondre à mes CV/Lettre de motivation et pour celles dont j'ai été sur place "désolé j'ai deja des stagiaires" (totalement faux, il n'avait personne)... "personne ne pourra s'occuper de vous".. etc... ce qui est completemen debile puisque un stagiaire est là pour apprendre , voir faire gagner de l'argent à l'employeur s'il sait deja quoi faire.

A ce niveau là, si aucune boite ne veut de toi, tu n'as que de la pratique théorique, or lors des embauches on te demande 2 voir 3 années d'experience dans le domaine recherché...

Pour moi il faut clairement, VALORISER (c'est un minimum) l'embauche ou en premier lieu le fait de prendre des stagiaires.
Par valoriser j'entends simplement que les boites aient un interet à te prendre, ce qui n'est pas du tout le cas actuellement. Par exemple un Top100 des boites qui prennent le plus de stagiaires ou quelque chose comme ça.
Ou alors un cadeau fiscal en fin d'année aux entreprises qui prennent des stagiaires...

Les etudiants ont raison, ce pays est completement mort, et cette periode de test de 2 ans ne poserait aucun soucis si l'on est sûr de retrouver de travail ensuite : ce n'est pas le cas aujourd'hui, il faut en moyenne entre 3 et 6 mois pour retrouver du travail.

In the United States of America you have many "little jobs" , you get it and tomorrow you will probabl lost it but it's not a problem because you are sure to find another one fastly.

Thta's simply not what happen in France, and it's why peoples are protesting, if you lost your job, you will have to wait betwenn 3 or 6 month to find another one.
And in the very bad way you have 2 or 3 childrens, explain how you can live without money...

For me the students protest, in a way, to see chirac get out.
When he have been elected, it was asked him to build more job in the country but that thing not happened.

[ first of all you have to know in France that when you are in high school, they teach you the "theorical" experience but they ask you to find an unpaid job for a 1 month, sometimes 4 month time to let you learn the "pratical experience ]

The work way in France today is bad, one proof : i had to find an unpaid work experience for 1 month.... after going to 20 enterprise and send many CV and letters, no one responded me and they simply refused me by saying that "they had no time" for me, or that they already had a guy in unpaid work experience (It was a lie, I knew that they had no it).

The problem is that they have absolutely no advantage/interets by taking a guy in unpaid work experience, so it's why the government have to do something.
Give them money in exchange, or something like that... a top10..

I'm not sure many peoples here will be interested in french problems : only bash them is good, so i'm waiting some answer from french ... and why not in french

[Hollis]

Yep, they should not have attacked McDonalds. In the USA there are many McDonald type of business, and a person can usually get a job there.

Somewhere there are statisitic, that small business provide over 50% of the job. Though not always a desired career path, they do provide income and job experience. Often Students and younger people need some thing for a income and to get started. Same with semi-retired people.

Even the USA has it's share of employement woes, so don't feel too left out (sorry for the pun)
It really isn't possible for government to MAKE jobs.. a mistake when it trys. The Free Market tends to work best went left alone, But.. than has it's own set of possible problems. The idea is to get a good mix...of government, employees and business working together.

[ed316]

France is already ruled by communist civil servant trade unions those last 20 years and it didn't did us any good.
I tell you the private companies are in touch with the global economy and reality. That's the civil servants and the brainwashed students that are living on an other planet. Unfortunately the retired, unemployed, civil servant or civil servant like workers and there family are the majority now. So they'll continue to taxe to death the private sector that fund them until there isn't enough to feed them. When the banker is going to say NO and that's going to be the bankrupcy of France, and France is going to get "Argentinized". The sooner the better, the France that invents and works is fed up to feed all those parasits.
So we'll have to reform anyway but as usual with France the hard way: french see light only when in the dark.

Good post Roland.

[kineret]

France is already ruled by communist civil servant trade unions those last 20 years and it didn't did us any good.
I tell you the private companies are in touch with the global economy and reality. That's the civil servants and the brainwashed students that are living on an other planet. Unfortunately the retired, unemployed, civil servant or civil servant like workers and there family are the majority now. So they'll continue to taxe to death the private sector that fund them until there isn't enough to feed them. When the banker is going to say NO and that's going to be the bankrupcy of France, and France is going to get "Argentinized". The sooner the better, the France that invents and works is fed up to feed all those parasits.
So we'll have to reform anyway but as usual with France the hard way: french see light only when in the dark.


youd figure that the students would be a bit more knoweledgable about this but they are the main rioters. the new law seems like an attempt by the government to stop or shrink unemployment and is a step in right direction. wtf is wrong with these students? seriously, who riots over a labour law?

[kineret]

hehe did anyone see this


http://www.jet2.com/News.aspx?id=65

gotta love the brits

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

hehe did anyone see this


http://www.jet2.com/News.aspx?id=65

gotta love the britsNo gotta hate some moron, putting stuff like that on a company website is not ethical and just plain silly.
:|

[kineret]

No gotta hate some moron, putting stuff like that on a company website is not ethical and just plain silly.
:|


funny though. hes right, ATC controllers fu-ck over thousands of travellers with their strikes. The US ATC controllers did that in the 80s, Reagan fired them all and did the right thing. you cant hold the public hostage to your demands.

[Whoami88]

funny though. hes right, ATC controllers fu-ck over thousands of travellers with their strikes. The US ATC controllers did that in the 80s, Reagan fired them all and did the right thing. you cant hold the public hostage to your demands.
Exactly, and people in my class call me a communist when I said I don't believe police/fire/ambulance agencies should not be allowed to have labor unions. :roll:


Am I the only one that believes people, especially in America, are become more stupid in the past few decades? I blame the hippies :)

[kineret]

Exactly, and people in my class call me a communist when I said I don't believe police/fire/ambulance agencies should not be allowed to have labor unions. :roll:


Am I the only one that believes people, especially in America, are become more stupid in the past few decades? I blame the hippies :)


having unions is one thing, shutting down the economy because you have disputes with management and using your power and the public's reliance on your service to blackmail the management is another.

[Sgt Kanderer]

Good post Roland.

Definately no!

[ed316]

Definately no!

What is your take then?

[Mastermind]

Before you can overhaul a machine, you must tear it apart...perhaps the French are just overhauling thier country.

[ed316]

It's not overhauling if they refuse change.

[roland]

@Sharp
I think you more or less understood something that is obvious for almost everybody but for us, French brainwashed by socialist propaganda: it's all a question of interest.

We never been taught that by by our socialist teatchers but here is the truth: Companies are here to make money. period. When companies hire somebody it's to make more money. If hiring people don't earn money they don't hire. Simple like that.
So if there is a lot of unemployment that mean that hiring isn't profitable, because of too many social taxes, too many administrative formalities, too many risk.
That's not rocket science, but seems way too complicate for our politicians and the lobotomized wankers that demonstrate.

The CPE is good for the youngs because it reduce the risk for employers. If the guy do his job there is absolutely no reason the boss is going to fire him. Good and trustworthy workers are valuable and when a boss have one he don't want him to go.

Strange we never hear such obvious thing in our media isn't it ?

[Atlantic Friend]

seriously, who riots over a labour law?

Don't mistake protests for riots. The students are protesting, which is their right as French citizens. Hoodlums are taking advantage of that to destroy property and rob protesters, which is a crime that has nothing to do with the jobs law.

[Atlantic Friend]

@Sharp
I think you more or less understood something that is obvious for almost everybody but for us, French brainwashed by socialist propaganda: it's all a question of interest.

I don't know which face makes me the most uneasy, Roland : the "We are superior and always right" face or the "We are dumb brainwashed sheep controlled by Communists" one.

Can't you try to build your own way somewhere in between ?

[BigBaribal]

Latest pics of the riots.

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Douce France, cher pays de mon enfance.....

[Atlantic Friend]

Douce France, cher pays de mon enfance.....

Let's quote a popular slogan of the eighties for these hoodlums: France, love it or leave it !

[BigBaribal]

Let's quote a popular slogan of the eighties for these hoodlums: France, love it or leave it !

Good concept, but too late: almost all of these guys have French papers.

[Atlantic Friend]

Good concept, but too late: almost all of these guys have French papers.

French citizenship, if it has been granted to a non-national, can also be taken away by the authorities. As for French-born hoodlums, like the hundreds who have been arrested by the riot police, they can be introduced to another commodity called French prisons.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

wtf is wrong with these students? seriously, who riots over a labour law?Och loads of people riot over labour issues or social unrest, my Grandpa derailed a train in the General Strike of 1926 no deaths of course, it just closed the London- Glasgow train line for a day.
:)

[roland]

Good concept, but too late: almost all of these guys have French papers.

if it's not them that are going to become good honest and rational French, it's there childrens. If it's not there childrens it's the childrens of there childrens. If it's not the childrens of there childrens a civil war will decide who will survive. No doubt about that.

[Eddy]

THESE, ARE NOT RIOTS

these are students protesting againt a job law

some people just see the opportunity to assault someone, and steal their cellphones

they're easy targets

police let that happen mostly(so that the students are afraid to be attacked and just wont come)

again

NOT - RIOTS

[Mr.K]

Och loads of people riot over labour issues or social unrest, my Grandpa derailed a train in the General Strike of 1926 no deaths of course, it just closed the London- Glasgow train line for a day.
:)
A true partisan! :D

Roland you said it yourself, companies are here to make money, so people are used like a replacable resource , except people are not machines they tend to react and thats what happening. Did you ignore the post in french or what? Its like buisness owners are goody-goody people trying to help out everyone who's jobless. You seem to forget that it's the employees that generate your wealth (I beleive you comme from a well-off family), and if you start treating them like sh*t well, you know, bad stuff happens. As for let the market do everything, the market cannot exist without the state, unless you're for the black market where are no rules,and no guarantees.

[perdurabo]

*French talk cut - BTW its english or atleast engrish forum you can speak in other languages by PM*

In the United States of America you have many "little jobs" , you get it and tomorrow you will probabl lost it but it's not a problem because you are sure to find another one fastly.

Thta's simply not what happen in France, and it's why peoples are protesting, if you lost your job, you will have to wait betwenn 3 or 6 month to find another one.
And in the very bad way you have 2 or 3 childrens, explain how you can live without money...

For me the students protest, in a way, to see chirac get out.
When he have been elected, it was asked him to build more job in the country but that thing not happened.

[ first of all you have to know in France that when you are in high school, they teach you the "theorical" experience but they ask you to find an unpaid job for a 1 month, sometimes 4 month time to let you learn the "pratical experience ]

The work way in France today is bad, one proof : i had to find an unpaid work experience for 1 month.... after going to 20 enterprise and send many CV and letters, no one responded me and they simply refused me by saying that "they had no time" for me, or that they already had a guy in unpaid work experience (It was a lie, I knew that they had no it).

The problem is that they have absolutely no advantage/interets by taking a guy in unpaid work experience, so it's why the government have to do something.
Give them money in exchange, or something like that... a top10..

I'm not sure many peoples here will be interested in french problems : only bash them is good, so i'm waiting some answer from french ... and why not in french
But because of all those social shields you have problems in finding job, we have same problem, we have to give ~40% of our ernings to budget and diffrent social "helps" its neverending wheel of socialism politics "give" ppl their money but they have to take it from somwhere so they rise taxes so less companies can work, human work is more costly, so there is bigger unemployement and bigger problems with finding a job so goverment gives another social shield but to pay for it gov. needs to rise taxes again... while in liberal economics goverment takes very litle so more companies can exist so more work places is created and there is lower unemployement, simple and effective but almoust noone understands that. Goverments should make KISS* theri prime rule.

*keep it simple stupid

[Mr.K]

if goverments will take "so little", how do you think the public service will fuction, who will pay the pensions for the elderly, who will give some kind of social protection to families with newborns? I don't think privatization is a solution (unless you're rich of course).
It's really not simple ,on one hand you have the goverment taking almost half of your income, and on the other hand you have the laws of the jungle.

[Esszett]

THESE, ARE NOT RIOTS

police let that happen mostly(so that the students are afraid to be attacked and just wont come)


Geez, I hope that's not true. Otherwise I think you French have more to worry about than just a stupid new labour law.

[roland]

Roland you said it yourself, companies are here to make money, so people are used like a replacable resource , ..

well lets face it that's not completely wrong. The company is the property of the boss or share holders, NOT the property of the employee. But it's not as bad as you suggest: if the employee do his job correctly the boss has absolutely no reason to replace him.


Did you ignore the post in french or what? Its like buisness owners are goody-goody people trying to help out everyone who's jobless.

It seems to me I made it clear enough that it's all a question of interest, NOT a question of goody-goody.
That's the theory, but even, in reality, specially in little companies, there is relation of esteem, respect and even affection between the boss and the employee.


You seem to forget that it's the employees that generate your wealth

that's exactly what I said: the companies hire if hiring provide more wealth, don't hire if hiring don't provide wealth. Conclusion: if there is unemployment, it's because hiring isn't interesting enough for companies. The reason are social taxes cost, administrative cost and judicial risk: the work code is 850 pages in France, written in an ununderstandable langage for normal people and boss of little companies always face the risk of being sued by an employee or by social administration.


(I beleive you comme from a well-off family),..
You believe too much.


and if you start treating them like sh*t well, you know, bad stuff happens.

I assume when you say "you" you're not speaking of me. I agree with you, employee don't have to be treated like sh*t. This being said, I notice that those who protest and cry the most in France are those that are the best treated and have the most advantages. The reason is that, despite they cost a lot, don't work a lot, are ineficient and have no pressure, they are not happy. They are bored. The archaic way of management of civil servant discourage good will. Life has to be fun and work is part of life. People like some pressure (not too much), like challenge, and like when they reach some achievement. Just show that it's not a question of people treated like sh:t here. It's a question of students that don't know what they are talking about and who are manipulated by there socialist teatchers.



As for let the market do everything, the market cannot exist without the state, unless you're for the black market where are no rules,and no guarantees.

the state have to write the rules of the game, provide the referee and the stadium. The teams have to be private.

[perdurabo]

if goverments will take "so little", how do you think the public service will fuction,
i don't know about French budget but now in Poland police, courts, jails, military takes only around 15% of our budget! rest is spent on social shields! goverment needs to build stable base ie. roads, railroads(only tracks etc not trains itself) electric wires etc rest can be privatly owned, it will work better and cheaper, did you know that money spent by goverment work around 40% less efective than spent by private companies or person?


who will pay the pensions for the elderly,themselves! they could put it in socks, bank accounts, stock shares, or give it to special companies that will pay them when they will retire (of course gov. will check those companies so there will be no frauds)


who will give some kind of social protection to families with newborns? mohter, father and their families, it was working for ages but now it has changed why? if you have low taxes one family member earns enough.


I don't think privatization is a solution (unless you're rich of course). lol menthality of poor man, mate sorry but thats bull****, because of high taxes there is more poverty! ritch ppl are also needed they own companies that give you your workplace, someday maybe you will be one of them, in liberal economics it is possible, but in socialism it isn't.


It's really not simple ,on one hand you have the goverment taking almost half of your income, and on the other hand you have the laws of the jungle.
why laws of the jungle? now we have laws of the jungle, geverments do anything but not waht is moust important, fair laws, police to cach cirminals, courts to put them on trial and jails to jail them, military to protect from foregin invasion, foregin affairs also to protect and help our economics... and now moust important is to give something to population so they will let us steal more money sorry but thats sick!

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

i don't know about French budget but now in Poland police, courts, jails, military takes only around 15% of our budget! rest is spent on social shields! goverment needs to build stable base ie. roads, railroads(only tracks etc not trains itself) electric wires etc rest can be privatly owned, it will work better and cheaper, did you know that money spent by goverment work around 40% less efective than spent by private companies or person?I know you guys are really embracing this free market stuff with great gusto but if I was a Pole I would not be in such a big hurry to off load assets like the utility industries, as former British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan said of Prime Minister Thatchers privatization plans of the early 80’s was like “selling the family silver”. Now Harold Macmillan was a man of conservative ideals not a socialist but he new the value of certain state owned industries. By all means reform state owned utilities and resources but don’t sell them off.
:)

[Moledet]

I don't like the French, but I put my hat off for their ability to change injustice in their country through demonstrations.

[Eddy]

Geez, I hope that's not true. Otherwise I think you French have more to worry about than just a stupid new labour law.

Well thats what i heard, but i really do no think that if cops or CRS(french equivalant of the republican guard) were to witness agressions, they would sit on their hands and let it happen

lets just say that theyre not doing anything to prevent these attacks

but the orders come from above, the right in power is in bad shape since the first months it took office(aaah raffarin) but this is taking international proportions


don't like the French, but I put my hat off for their ability to change injustice in their country through demonstrations.

talking about injustice, if i was to say i dont like israelians, i would pass for an anti semitic person

you dont like the french ? fine thats your opinion, just dont come and share it on a topic thats about french events where french people come and read

thats insulting

...

jew (lol sorry just joking : O D - ironically im just about to watch Free Zone)

[Eddy]

Rosbif is a way to call english people in general(not english people, just the uk, well you know what i mean)

Its slang, when said its mostly in an insulting way

I dont use it

[roland]

"les rosbifs"

Pardonner mon français mais je plaisante avec vous mon ami c'est une plaisanterie nationale dans les deux pays non ?

Yeah, the rosbif are allowed : we have enough occasion to kick your @ss in Rugby, Formula One or sailing race ;)

[Eddy]

Or football : O D

[Eddy]

Napoleon didnt have Zidane armed with a Famas

[Eddy]

Works for me

[Durandal]

THESE, ARE NOT RIOTS


Oooookkkk.....

Police Camp! Two weeks of fun!
http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/03/19/imageZFM10303182220.jpg

Trying to figure out how to play American Football...not too sure why they have 8 quarterbacks, but hey, they're French!
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41495000/jpg/_41495674_clash_416grab.jpg

New From Hasbro! Wet and Slide! Fun for the whole family!
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41496000/jpg/_41496338_watercannon_416grab.jpg

French Cops....Let's Disco!
http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/17/parisprotest_wideweb__470x306,0.jpg

And of course, barricade vaulting...the X-Game...
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/15/svFRENCH_wideweb__470x334,0.jpg

But....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....riots. rofl

[Eddy]

Seriously i hate that, these are not riots, these are severly repressed (violent)protests

again, not riots(nice pics tho)

[Kilgor]

By offical french standards you at least need 1000 cars torched before its called a riot ;)

[Durandal]

By offical french standards you at least need 1000 cars torched before its called a riot ;)

Well, true.

A 1000 a night that is...

[Olybrius]

no it's not riots ;)
between 1 000 000 and 3 000 000 youths marching in the streets each time and only 2 people seriously wounded since the beginning.

You can always show here the same pictures of some violents morons (this one seems very popular) (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2148/screenshot0019jf.jpg ), it will not become riots ;)

It's typical of these people who read articles about Al qaida attacks in their newspaper and end up thinking that all muslims are enemies ...

[roland]

no it's not riots ;)
between 1 000 000 and 3 000 000 youths marching in the streets each time and only 2 people seriously wounded since the beginning.


correction: it's more like 300 000 youngs marching in the streets and around 1 million civil servant and civil servant like workers marching in the streets. Those are always the same since 1995 and are only a fraction of the left people. I don't understand why the right politicians fear them: they'll never vote for the right anyway. It's just that the people of the right is more and more disgusted that the supposed righ politicians continue to capitulate to the leftist protesters at any occasion. No wonder the fascists of the FN make such a score.
Whatever, Chirac surrendered 6 month after being elected during the "great" strikes of 1995. It's a little late to wake up me think.

[Atlantic Friend]

correction: it's more like 300 000 youngs marching in the streets and around 1 million civil servant and civil servant like workers marching in the streets. Those are always the same since 1995 and are only a fraction of the left people. I don't understand why the right politicians fear them: they'll never vote for the right anyway. It's just that the people of the right is more and more disgusted that the supposed righ politicians continue to capitulate to the leftist protesters at any occasion. No wonder the fascists of the FN make such a score.
Whatever, Chirac surrendered 6 month after being elected during the "great" strikes of 1995. It's a little late to wake up me think.

Rising from the grave...Craving your blood...Hunting your children in the darkest hour of the night...they are...the CIVIL SERVANTS ! Be afraid, be very afraid...

[Olybrius]

correction: it's more like 300 000 youngs marching in the streets and around 1 million civil servant and civil servant like workers marching in the streets. Those are always the same since 1995 and are only a fraction of the left people. I don't understand why the right politicians fear them: they'll never vote for the right anyway. It's just that the people of the right is more and more disgusted that the supposed righ politicians continue to capitulate to the leftist protesters at any occasion. No wonder the fascists of the FN make such a score.
Whatever, Chirac surrendered 6 month after being elected during the "great" strikes of 1995. It's a little late to wake up me think.

Political blabla , when there are millions people marching in the streets , there is something to do or at least something to explain better... it's not a problem about leftists or rightists, the way in which this law was promulgated is pathetic , an efficient government must firstly have talks and communicate.

[Olybrius]

Rising from the grave...Craving your blood...Hunting your children in the darkest hour of the night...they are...the CIVIL SERVANTS ! Be afraid, be very afraid...

yeah kill them all !

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3037/fonctionnairescharb6sq.jpg

[roland]

Rising from the grave...Craving your blood...Hunting your children in the darkest hour of the night...they are...the CIVIL SERVANTS ! Be afraid, be very afraid...

That's what I thought you don't realize it. Ask yourself: what's the point in voting if those who are supposed to serve the country don't obey the elected politician ? hmm ?
Since a while, in France it works like this: the parliament is elected by the people, the parliament vote a law, then the law is examined by the civil servant trade unions that decide if the law is good or not. If they consider the law as bad they oppose it. That's unacceptable, that's perpetual mutiny, it's not a "quarteron de generaux felon" that's "quelque millions de fonctionnaires felon".
Reform is impossible since they are too powerfull and those who profit from the state are almost a majority. But the economy is unable to supporte so many parasits and soon the reality is going to hit you despite you refuse to see it. This day, like in Russia, like in Argentina, those who are going to suffer the most will be those who are dependant of people's good will/taxes to live.
So enjoy, parade all you want, continue to defy the parliament and treat the Republic like a b:tch, in the end it's you that is going to starve and I'll not raise one finger for those who have ruined the country.

For now, it's safer for busynessmen to put our asset away from this state:



Quand la liberté rentrera, je rentrerai!
Victor Hugo
(Actes et Paroles)

Les changements économiques intervenus au cours des dernières années mettent les PME-PMI en situation de danger extrême. Pour survivre, il faut se développer, c'est à dire tirer de son activité les ressources nécessaires à sa croissance.
Or les charges sociales et fiscales ainsi que les contraintes administratives en absorbent une part beaucoup trop importante. Ces charges grèvent la compétitivité des petites sociétés, par définition plus fragiles et sensibles à la concurrence déjà étendue à l'Europe.

A l'aube du 21ème siècle qui sera celui du transfert informatisé des tâches et de la connaissance, la majorité des pays européens restent figés sur des concepts socio-économiques vieux de 50 ans. Ceux-ci étaient viables tant que les gouvernements contrôlaient directement leurs économies et que la concurrence ne dépassaient pas le cadre des frontières nationales. Mais ce n'est plus le cas aujourd'hui.

Nous sommes déjà suiveurs de l'Asie et de l'Amérique. Notre situation ne pourra que s'aggraver tant que l'Europe cherchera à protéger des acquis. Or, cela se fait au détriment des PME-PMI qui produisent la majorité des richesses. Nos problèmes d'emploi sont directement liés à ce contexte. Il ne peut pas y avoir d'embauches sans croissance et de croissance sans ressources suffisantes. Nous allons vers une asphyxie lente qui durera tant que la France continuera à subordonner ses intérêts économiques à des intérêts de politique intérieure.
Il nous manque la volonté farouche de gagner!

Ce constat nous a poussés à chercher comment améliorer la compétitivité des petites sociétés, qui ne peuvent au mieux que survivre. La seule solution concrète consiste à déplacer des activités vers le pays européen ou l'environnement est le plus favorable à la libre entreprise, c'est à dire au Royaume Uni. Il ne s'agit pas de fuir la France mais de continuer à travailler efficacement au sein de l'Europe. Nous sommes tous attachés à notre pays, mais le contexte qu'il nous offre ne correspond plus aux réalités économiques présentes.

Nous savons que la décision de transplanter tout ou partie de ses activités ne se prend pas à la légère. Aussi, nous avons créé "l'Association des Français Libres d'Entreprendre". Elle a pour objectifs de défendre la libre entreprise, d'informer les PME-PMI de la législation favorable en vigueur au Royaume Uni et d'apporter le support nécessaire à ceux qui souhaitent s'implanter outre-Manche.

http://www.francelibre.org/Pages/index.htm

[zzztip]

French Cops....Let's Disco!
http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/17/parisprotest_wideweb__470x306,0.jpg


That picture is hilarious rofl rofl. It looks like the CRS have mastered the robot dance (they must get a lot of poon tang on the dancefloors!).

Looks liek a clip from power rangers.


Israelis and english poster, we don't like you either...but we don't come into your topics to tell you what we think of you (ie stfu).

[Atlantic Friend]

That's what I thought you don't realize it. Ask yourself: what's the point in voting if those who are supposed to serve the country don't obey the elected politician ? hmm ?

Last time I checked, the Constitution of the République, which grants people to right to protest and go on strike, had been written by elected politicians. But you are free to stop voting, as the same Constitution says it is a right and not a duty.


Since a while, in France it works like this: the parliament is elected by the people, the parliament vote a law, then the law is examined by the civil servant trade unions that decide if the law is good or not. If they consider the law as bad they oppose it. That's unacceptable, that's perpetual mutiny, it's not a "quarteron de generaux felon" that's "quelque millions de fonctionnaires felon".

The government would have avoided this whole mess if he had just taken the precautionary step to discuss the law with the unions before forcing a vote without debate thanks to the 49-3 provision of the Constitution. De Villepin wants to play Napoleon, while at best he's only a pale shadow of Mussolini.


Reform is impossible since they are too powerfull and those who profit from the state are almost a majority.

Reform is always difficult in a democracy, Roland. Keep in mind that democracy is the worst of all political systems, with the notable exception of all other forms of government.


But the economy is unable to supporte so many parasits and soon the reality is going to hit you despite you refuse to see it. This day, like in Russia, like in Argentina, those who are going to suffer the most will be those who are dependant of people's good will/taxes to live.

You are free to stop paying your taxes, Roland, and face the consequences.


So enjoy, parade all you want, continue to defy the parliament and treat the Republic like a b:tch, in the end it's you that is going to starve and I'll not raise one finger for those who have ruined the country.

Gee, you really break my heart here. Guess what, I think I'll just have to live with that, keep on doing my job and providing for my family.


For now, it's safer for busynessmen to put our asset away from this state:


What has become of your economic patriotism, Roland ? Are you just a fair-weather French citizen, turning into a tax evader at the first difficulty ?

[roland]

Political blabla , when there are millions people marching in the streets , there is something to do or at least something to explain better... it's not a problem about leftists or rightists, the way in which this law was promulgated is pathetic , an efficient government must firstly have talks and communicate.

those millions are only a small part of the people of the left and are always the same since 1995: workers of SNCF, RATP, EDF, teatchers, civil servants and brainwashed students and that's not them who elected this majority anyway.
Negociate my @ss. That remind me the referendum in EDF a few years ago: question: do you want a retirement in 55 years old, full pay, or retirement at 65 years old, paid 70% ?
they vote for the first, what a surprise !
those communications bulls:t are just that bulls:t. The elected politicians represent the people and when they decide something is of general initerest, as long as it respect the constitution and the Republic, they must be able to act and opposition to the people's will must be broken. Else that's the paralisis and that's what happens those last 30 years.

[Olybrius]

those millions are only a small part of the people of the left and are always the same since 1995: workers of SNCF, RATP, EDF, teatchers, civil servants and brainwashed students and that's not them who elected this majority anyway.
Negociate my @ss. That remind me the referendum in EDF a few years ago: question: do you want a retirement in 55 years old, full pay, or retirement at 65 years old, paid 70% ?
they vote for the first, what a surprise !
those communications bulls:t are just that bulls:t. The elected politicians represent the people and when they decide something is of general initerest, as long as it respect the constitution and the Republic, they must be able to act and opposition to the people's will must be broken. Else that's the paralisis and that's what happens those last 30 years.

Hopefully we don't live in a dictatorship where some "chosen" secretly decide what is good or bad for the people ;) ... and it's not either the dictatorship of the proletariat lol, just remember few years ago when all these stupids leftists/socialists/communists were in power , our economy had never been also strong ;)

[roland]

Last time I checked, the Constitution of the République, which grants people to right to protest and go on strike, had been written by elected politicians.

of course the problem is not there. The problem is with all those who are ready to use quasi insurrectional means to defend there little interests.
I even don't blame the demonstrators and stikers in fact. They are rationals: they open there mouth, the state put something in it. The wider oppened there mouth is, the more the state put in it. That works so small surprise they continue. But it must stop, we can't afford it anymore. No I blame the politicians that listen too much to the big mouths and are too coward to defend the general interest. I blame Chirac to have surrendered to the civil servat's trade unions in 1995, 6 month after his election.


But you are free to stop voting, as the same Constitution says it is a right and not a duty.

???
first I don't see what it have to do with the discussion, second voting is a duty, third, the majority is supposed to be right and all I said from the beginning is that I want the people's vote to be respected, even and mostly by the civil servants that are supposed to serve the nation.

Can the right apply there policy ? yes ? you're too good.


The government would have avoided this whole mess if he had just taken the precautionary step to discuss the law with the unions before forcing a vote without debate thanks to the 49-3 provision of the Constitution.

negociate what ? of course the unions would have opposed the law. But who rules ? the parliament or the civil servant's unions ?
if the 49-3 was used it's because of socialist obstruction and there was more than 60 hours of debate in the parliament btw.


De Villepin wants to play Napoleon, while at best he's only a pale shadow of Mussolini.

pfff so resisting a few million wankers makes you fascist ?


Reform is always difficult in a democracy, Roland. Keep in mind that democracy is the worst of all political systems, with the notable exception of all other forms of government.

wrong the best form of government is Republic. Democracy is just good enough not to take arms against it and yes France unfortunatelly is a Democracy, NOT a Republic anymore.


You are free to stop paying your taxes, Roland, and face the consequences.

don't worry for me, worry for you. And yes I have absolutelly no moral reason against taxe evasion as paying so many taxes/social charges is anti Republican (one days I'll have to make this post explaining the Republican theories)


Gee, you really break my heart here. Guess what, I think I'll just have to live with that, keep on doing my job and providing for my family.

doing your job ? well go on stike some time to time else you're going to have problems with the party don't you ?


What has become of your economic patriotism, Roland ? Are you just a fair-weather French citizen, turning into a tax evader at the first difficulty ?

If you count on patriotism to make business that mean you're really desesperate.
I have NO lessons of patriotism to recieve from anybody and there is nothing wrong to try to escape this state/social system to be able to continue to do business in France instead of being an unemployed assisted.

[roland]

... just remember few years ago when all these stupids leftists/socialists/communists were in power , our economy had never been also strong ;)

strong ? ROFLMAO.
Yeah when you borrow a lot, you look rich at first but one day you'll have to pay back the banker.
That's like those 35 hours a week. Of course at first it create some job (not even that much) but after a while, little companies that become uncompetitive go to bankrupcy while big companies delocalize.
Also you can temporary lower unemployment hiring a lot of civil servants. But that doesn't work in the long run since the taxes you raise to pay them make the economy less competitive (not to speak of the administrative formalities useless civil servants tend to generate since they work, not a lot but still and they are numerous)
I've read somewhere that one civil servant you hire generate 3 unemployed but I admit must be difficult to prove.

Like I often say, I support:
- 25 hours a week work,
- 16 weeks of vacation a year,
- retirement at 45 year old, full paid,
- minimum wage at 3000 Euro a month,
- of course totally free heath care.

... as long as we can afford it.

Can we ? of course NOT.
Can we afford what we have currently ? watching at our unemployment and debt, isn't it a good question ?

[Olybrius]

strong ? ROFLMAO.
Yeah when you borrow a lot, you look rich at first but one day you'll have to pay back the banker.
That's like those 35 hours a week. Of course at first it create some job (not even that much) but after a while, little companies that become uncompetitive go to bankrupcy while big companies delocalize.
Also you can temporary lower unemployment hiring a lot of civil servants. But that doesn't work in the long run since the taxes you raise to pay them make the economy less competitive (not to speak of the administrative formalities useless civil servants tend to generate since they work, not a lot but still and they are numerous)
I've read somewhere that one civil servant you hire generate 3 unemployed but I admit must be difficult to prove.

Like I often say, I support:
- 25 hours a week work,
- 16 weeks of vacation a year,
- retirement at 45 year old, full paid,
- minimum wage at 3000 Euro a month,
- of course totally free heath care.

... as long as we can afford it.

Can we ? of course NOT.
Can we afford what we have currently ? watching at our unemployment and debt, isn't it a good question ?

mmm reading your 2 posts above ; it's aggressive and caricatural
so i will not use much time with a detailed answer.. my advice : don't spend too much time in that kind of internet forums, it's a bad influence for you ;)

[roland]

mmm reading your 2 posts above ; it's aggressive and caricatural
so i will not use much time with a detailed answer..


too bad.
but I realize it's none of foreigner's business and we should continue the discussion in French in a French forum.



my advice : don't spend too much time in that kind of internet forums, it's a bad influence for you ;)

of course if I say something that change from the general propaganda we have here that must be because I've been influenced :rolleyes:
Listen France Info and the FR3 news with a critical mind and perhaps you'll realize what propaganda means.

allez ciao

[BarkingSquirrel]

Seriously i hate that, these are not riots, these are severly repressed (violent)protests

again, not riots(nice pics tho)Wow, what a deluded world you live in. Can I buy some of the drugs you're taking?

[BlackRain]

no it's not riots ;)
between 1 000 000 and 3 000 000 youths marching in the streets each time and only 2 people seriously wounded since the beginning.


Where are you getting your information from? You either are seriously misinformed or trying to mislead.

These are not peaceful protests when they are injuring hundreds of riot police.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060328/i/r1301370937.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060314/i/r244869574.jpg

Back on March 28, 2006, the riot stats were:


Injuries in the capital were tallied at 46 demonstrators and nine police officers.

http://khon.com/khon/display.cfm?storyID=12372&sid=1151

More Current Riot Injuries

April 4, 2006


A female reporter was assaulted while filming the violence and a young man suffered burn injuries from the shell of a tear gas grenade, Agence France-Presse reported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/world/europe/04cnd-france.html?ex=1144296000&en=1e5257d5162b36e3&ei=5087

April 5, 2006


In the south of the capital, dozens of troublemakers hurled paving stones and bottles at riot police, who fired tear gas. At least nine police officers were slightly injured.


In the northern city of Caen, a photographer was injured in clashes between police and demonstrators who had set up a roadblock on the ring road.

http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060405-071128-9278r

April 6, 2006



MORE than 3500 people have been arrested and hundreds of riot police injured in two months of mass street protests against the French Government's contested jobs law, police said.


http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18727187-5001028,00.html

[Durandal]

no it's not riots ;)
between 1 000 000 and 3 000 000 youths marching in the streets each time and only 2 people seriously wounded since the beginning.

Riot
ri·ot (rt)
n.
1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people.
2. (Law) A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.
3. An unrestrained outbreak, as of laughter or passions.

Now, both 1 and 2 are happening in France.

The 3rd definition is what's happening outside of France as we watch.

:)

[zzztip]

woot woot woot at last a french man who admits he doesn't like the english you made my day- i knew the xenophobia couldn't be one way

It shouldn't be a surprise, really...

[Atlantic Friend]

of course the problem is not there. The problem is with all those who are ready to use quasi insurrectional means to defend there little interests.

If you consider protests and strikes to be insurrectional, then get ready for a big shock : strikes are constitutional and protests have to be allowed by the Prefecture...

as for the perpetrators of violent acts, you can clearly see they are by and large totally disconnected from the protesters, whom they regularly attack !


I even don't blame the demonstrators and stikers in fact. They are rationals: they open there mouth, the state put something in it. The wider oppened there mouth is, the more the state put in it. That works so small surprise they continue. But it must stop, we can't afford it anymore. No I blame the politicians that listen too much to the big mouths and are too coward to defend the general interest. I blame Chirac to have surrendered to the civil servat's trade unions in 1995, 6 month after his election.

Sheesh...Why don't you pay more attention to the words that come our of the mouths than to whether the mouths are half-open or wide open ?


first I don't see what it have to do with the discussion, second voting is a duty, third, the majority is supposed to be right and all I said from the beginning is that I want the people's vote to be respected, even and mostly by the civil servants that are supposed to serve the nation.

Voting is a right and not a duty, as you have no penalty for not showing up for vote. The majority is supposed to be right, but that shouldn't prevent it from being intelligent from time to time.


Can the right apply there policy ? yes ? you're too good.

Could the Right be intelligent for a change ? Yes ?


negociate what ? of course the unions would have opposed the law. But who rules ? the parliament or the civil servant's unions ?

Who rules ? The French people, which the government and MP members are supposed to serve, even if the word "serving" makes the PM wince everytime it's applied to him.


if the 49-3 was used it's because of socialist obstruction and there was more than 60 hours of debate in the parliament btw.

Ah, yes, how can anyone do any kind of lawmaking if you have to listen to all these pesky parliamentary debates ? Tell me ROland : if congressmen and senators are not allowed to debate a law anymore (which was their primary role last time I read the Constitution), then why do we bother to pay them ? Here's an idea for a reform : the PM takes his pen, writes a law, and bingo it is passed as soon as he signs it !

As for the "the 49-3 was necessary because of socialist obstruction", pull the other one, it has bells on ! The UMP has a clear majority in the Parliament and poor lil' Dominique cannot use it ?



pfff so resisting a few million wankers makes you fascist ?

Ah, yes, what are a few million people in a modern democracy anyway, eh ?



wrong the best form of government is Republic. Democracy is just good enough not to take arms against it and yes France unfortunatelly is a Democracy, NOT a Republic anymore.

We already had this conversation, Roland, and I do remember how your ideal "Republic" was supposed to work, with brute force employed to make sure the citizen body supports the ideal government's decision - hey, after all, they elected it, didn't they ?

I'd rather have a democracy, thanks.


don't worry for me, worry for you. And yes I have absolutelly no moral reason against taxe evasion as paying so many taxes/social charges is anti Republican (one days I'll have to make this post explaining the Republican theories)

Be afraid, be very afraid... And it is my pleasure to remind you that paying your taxes is a duty for every citizen, regardless of the government's color. Are you a fair-weather citizen who only agrees to pay his taxes when you feel like it ?



doing your job ? well go on stike some time to time else you're going to have problems with the party don't you ?

Roland, you are such a sad, sad little man...rofl

Know that the party I vote for is Conservative, that I never belonged to a union or went on strike even 10 minutes in my 14-year professional life. But why bother with facts, when you can play with fantasies ! Feel free to keep imagining me as a lazy Bolshevik with a knife between my teeth, hell-bent on ruining France and yourself. Especially yourself.



If you count on patriotism to make business that mean you're really desesperate.

Tell that to our current fearless PM, who called for "economic patriotism" in Parliament, and used it as an argument to resist Mittal's takeover of Arcelor, and an Italian takeover on Gaz de France ! ;)


I have NO lessons of patriotism to recieve from anybody and there is nothing wrong to try to escape this state/social system to be able to continue to do business in France instead of being an unemployed assisted.

I think someone who says he will have no problem evading French taxes because he doesn't like them HAS something to learn about patriotism. I mean, if you feel paying your taxes is already more than France can legitimately ask you, then it does cast a shadow over what you will be ready to do for tour country.

[Mirage]

I don't like the French, but I put my hat off for their ability to change injustice in their country through demonstrations.

Oh nooooo too bad! Moledet don't like us. You have just ruined my day :(

And of course NO riots here. I repeat, NO riots here. Its just a french thing. Nothing new under the sun ...

[BarkingSquirrel]

Its like saying syphilis isn't a STD. No matter how much you say its not, it in fact is. Other countries can admit when they have riots, why do the french lie about it?

[BlackRain]

Its like saying syphilis isn't a STD. No matter how much you say its not, it in fact is. Other countries can admit when they have riots, why do the french lie about it?

I think its because the French media downplay it.

Take a look at the front page of Le Monde today. You don't see any of the rioting photos or stories.

http://www.lemonde.fr/

[roland]

If you consider protests and strikes to be insurrectional, then get ready for a big shock : strikes are constitutional and protests have to be allowed by the Prefecture...

what about this:


A Paris, une centaine de manifestants anti-CPE, cheminots et étudiants, ont bloqué jeudi matin pendant 45 minutes le trafic de la gare de l'Est. La direction de la gare a été contrainte de couper le courant pour des raisons de sécurité.
...
La gare Saint-Lazare et la gare du Nord ont été visées plus tard dans la journée par des actions identiques - à deux reprises pour la gare du Nord, déjà bloquée une heure dans la matinée, et dont les voies ont été de nouveau envahies vers 15 heures, jusqu'à 16h30.
Puis les jeunes manifestants ont tenté de pénétrer sur le périphérique, dont l'accès était barré par les forces de l'ordre. Porte de la Chapelle, certains manifestants se sont servis d'un bus vide comme bélier pour percuter des cars de gendarmerie. A l'aéroport d'Orly, environ 500 manifestants, salariés, étudiants de Paris XII, et lycéens, ont temporairement bloqué l'accès des passagers sans perturber le trafic aérien. Plusieurs manifestants ont essayé en vain de pénétrer dans les aérogares, protégées par des cordons de gendarmes mobiles.
...
Dans la banlieue toulousaine, étudiants et syndicalistes ont bloqué plusieurs accès des usines Airbus.
...
A Boulogne-sur-Mer (Pas-de-Calais), des étudiants et lycéens ont bloqué pendant deux heures les accès routiers à la zone industrielle du port, tandis qu'à Rennes, des centaines d'étudiants ont envahi la faculté de Droit, qui n'est pas en grève, et saccagé le local du syndicat étudiant UNI, proche de l'UMP et favorable au CPE.
Au Mans, plus de 2.000 personnes ont manifesté dans le nord de l'agglomération, bloquant d'abord l'accès à une zone commerciale puis l'accès à l'autoroute et à la rocade du Mans. Le cortège était majoritairement composé de militants syndicaux. Un groupe de 150 à 200 personnes a ensuite bloqué l'autoroute vers Paris. Les manifestants ont été environ 500 à Orléans, surtout des lycéens, et 200 à Tours.
A Lille, un groupe de 500 à un millier de manifestants ont occupé pendant moins d'une heure les voies ferrées près de la gare Lille-Flandres, retardant plusieurs trains.
...
A Nantes, une centaine de manifestants ont mis en place jeudi matin, à l'appel de la CGT, des barrages filtrants à l'entrée de la ville, sur l'axe Rennes-Nantes, et sur les accès au périphérique est et au périphérique ouest. Un peu plus tard dans, près de 800 manifestants anti-CPE réunis dans le centre de la ville se sont dispersés pour mener des actions contre les agences ANPE de l'agglomération qui en compte huit. A Lorient, un groupe d'étudiants ont bloqué l'entrée du port de commerce, dans le centre-ville, tandis qu'à Quimper une quarantaine de jeunes entravaient les deux accès à la cité administrative. 120 lycéens ont bloqué l'accès à l'île d'Oléron en Charentes-Maritimes. A Boulogne-sur-Mer, ce sont les accès à la zone industrielle du port, qui ont été bloqué une partie de la matinée, provoquant la formation d'une longue file de camions aux abords.

La police de Narbonne a dispersé une manifestation jeudi à la mi-journée sur la voie ferrée à la gare...
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Plusieurs grands axes routiers ont été en partie bloqués dans les Bouches-du-Rhône, provoquant quelques dizaines de km de bouchons ou ralentissements. Ainsi à l'entrée de Marseille, sur l'A55, ou à l'entrée de l'autoroute A7, en direction de Lyon. Des opérations de blocage de la circulation ont aussi été signalées à Grenoble et à Chambéry. Près de Reims, plusieurs dizaines de lycéens, encadrés par des syndicalistes, ont mené entre 8h et 10h, une opération "péage gratuit" sur l'A4. Et environ 150 lycéens et étudiants ont bloqué durant plus d'une heure et demie le pont de l'Europe, sur le Rhin, entre Strasbourg et Kehl (Allemagne).



as for the perpetrators of violent acts, you can clearly see they are by and large totally disconnected from the protesters, whom they regularly attack !


correct


Sheesh...Why don't you pay more attention to the words that come our of the mouths than to whether the mouths are half-open or wide open ?


I know what they are going to say before they open there mouth, that's so predictable: "give us more, more attention, more money, more protection, everything is bad but nothing has to change" and so on. Why should we listen them ?
In my town, Lyon, I'm proud we had less demonstrations than in Clermont Ferrand. Who have to be listened ? us, who are are humble, discreet and work hard like most of France or the noisy wankers ?


Voting is a right and not a duty, ..

read what's written in your voting card. nuff said.


.. as you have no penalty for not showing up for vote.

typical civil servant mentality: there is no need for penalty to do your duty.



The majority is supposed to be right, but that shouldn't prevent it from being intelligent from time to time.


yeah right being intelligent is to surender to the big mouth is it that ? In this case they've been intelligent for more than 10 years now, what's the most surprising is how you can be so intelligent and do so little for the country those last 10 years.



Who rules ? The French people, which the government and MP members are supposed to serve, even if the word "serving" makes the PM wince everytime it's applied to him.


glad we agree. So who rules ? the parliament or the demonstrator inspired by civil servant trade unions ?



Ah, yes, how can anyone do any kind of lawmaking if you have to listen to all these pesky parliamentary debates ? Tell me ROland : if congressmen and senators are not allowed to debate a law anymore (which was their primary role last time I read the Constitution), then why do we bother to pay them ? Here's an idea for a reform : the PM takes his pen, writes a law, and bingo it is passed as soon as he signs it !

???? there was 60 hours of debate. You can't answer me if you don't read what I posted man.



As for the "the 49-3 was necessary because of socialist obstruction", pull the other one, it has bells on ! The UMP has a clear majority in the Parliament and poor lil' Dominique cannot use it ?

obstruction is NOT debating. The socialists didn't debated at all. They only throw procedurial arguments and flood of amendments. They didn't debated because
1- they have no arguments,
2- they don't care the CPE. All they want to do is show who is the boss and who control the state.



Ah, yes, what are a few million people in a modern democracy anyway, eh ?


nothing more than the 60 million that didn't demonstrated for sure.



We already had this conversation, Roland, and I do remember how your ideal "Republic" was supposed to work, with brute force employed to make sure the citizen body supports the ideal government's decision - hey, after all, they elected it, didn't they ?

I'd rather have a democracy, thanks.


And me I think you have a serious problem of understanding and some allucinations as well as I never explained the roots of the Republican theory here.



I think someone who says he will have no problem evading French taxes because he doesn't like them HAS something to learn about patriotism. I mean, if you feel paying your taxes is already more than France can legitimately ask you, then it does cast a shadow over what you will be ready to do for tour country.

my money is better spent than funding people that are paid to piss people off. If 1/3 of the civil servant were paid to stay home instead of flooding us with formalities that would already be a progress.
And btw, thanks to me, already millions of Euro have already benn paid in taxes and social charges and, again, I have no lesson to recieve from a paper pusher here.
Now, when the company gives 100 Euro in the declared part of my wadge, it cost it 180 Euro so 80 Euro are spend for the collectivity and mostly wasted may I add. In the 100 Euros that remain to me, I have to pay VAT on what I buy, get robbed on the gas I buy, all that to have what ? a Republican school that doesn't work anymore and managed to make a semi-illiterate generation of racailles that will never find a job, good work. nothing work properly in this fvucking state, is it time to worries about civil servant suceptibilities ? the failiure of this socialist state is obvious, time to open your eyes.

[Olybrius]

Where are you getting your information from? You either are seriously misinformed or trying to mislead.

blah-blah


Boy im not like you , im getting these infos from the country where i live , i don't spent most of my time on internet frenetically researching everything that could fill some blinded bitterness ;)

So since the beginning , only two (2) people , a crs and a union striker, were seriously wounded and are still in hospital, others wounded were slightly wounded.

[Olybrius]

I think its because the French media downplay it.

Take a look at the front page of Le Monde today. You don't see any of the rioting photos or stories.

http://www.lemonde.fr/

typical ;)
Since a week , EVERY front page of Le Monde title about CPE, youth protests, strike etc .. and not only the front page , most of the newspaper...

Today front page: (you can't see it if you're not a suscriber) :
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8924/wlemonde3ag.jpg

[Marvin!!]

rofl

Sorry if you don't understand it

[BlackRain]

Boy im not like you , im getting these infos from the country where i live , i don't spent most of my time on internet frenetically researching everything that could fill some blinded bitterness ;)

So since the beginning , only two (2) people , a crs and a union striker, were seriously wounded and are still in hospital, others wounded were slightly wounded.



French Demonstrations Turning into Riots, Hundreds Seriously Injured

http://www.ltvnews.com/viewarticle.php?id=5869

Youths confront riot police in massive protest in Paris

Police said they took 383 people into custody in Paris, where 34 people were injured - including four police officers - and 243 elsewhere in France.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060405/1018981.asp

[Olybrius]

Boy, it's useless to post every articles you find about the same day and the same events ... ;)
Taking into account the massive extent of the demonstrations, the number of people slightly wounded or even arrested is very low ...
.. and will remain low even if you post dozens of articles ;)

[Freibier]

rofl

Sorry if you don't understand it
haha, that's funny rofl

[ogukuo72]

Yeah. Typical of these anarchististic-marxist types to disrespect the very people who have to maintain the law and order while they are out striking and smashing things. They might think its humour but really, it demonstrates their utter lack of maturity. If this is typical of the French educated youths, mark my words, France is doomed.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I'm 100% behind the French students and union members.

I do not condone the violence though.

[Mirage]

rofl

Sorry if you don't understand it

LOL rofl rofl

[DarkCypher]

rofl

Sorry if you don't understand it

can someone translate? I only turned up to French class because the teacher was hot.

[Marvin!!]

By measure of precaution against Bird Flu, confinement of chickens


("chickens" being a derogatory French term for police officers)

[Mastermind]

First Muslim car torching youths riot for jobs and Allah...now French youths riot for jobs and ...what ever it is they riot for...Does France ever just settle down for a few months and enjoy the wine, snails and cheese?

[gsm]

the protester's won;

France to replace youth job contract
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/function/0,2145,12215_pg_2,00.html

President Jacques Chirac, bowing to intense pressure from students and unions, has announced plans to replace a contested jobs law that fanned massive protests and strikes across France...

[Atlantic Friend]

Yet another stunning success from Dominique de Villepin. After his over-the-top UNSC shenanigans, after his disastrous Ivory Coast involvement, the world champion of Overdoing it Badly now gives us the end of the CPE (and hopefully of his presidential ambitions).

I'd gladly prescribe him a guillotine shot, but I suspect removing his head would not hurt any vital organ.

[Macs.]

I'm 100% behind the French students and union members.


You support the downfall of the french economy ?

Seriously... Something has to be radicaly changed in France, and the politicians can't just "pussy out" everytime they do something because of demonstations.

They are demonstrating themselves into ruin.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Woot go the fcuking unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18773839-401,00.html

[BlackRain]

France to replace youth job law

Monday, 10 April 2006, 11:45 GMT 12:45 UK http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif - BBC

French President Jacques Chirac has announced that the new youth employment law that sparked weeks of sometimes violent protests will be scrapped. He said it would be replaced by other measures to tackle youth unemployment.

Millions of students and union members have taken to the streets over the last month in protest against the law, which made it easier to fire young workers.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said the law's aim had been to tackle high unemployment among the young.

The law, known as the First Employment Contract or CPE, introduced a new work contract for under-26s.

It was to allow a two-year trial period, during which employers could end a contract without explanation.

The plan to replace the law was announced after a meeting between the president, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and other senior ministers on Monday.

'Dramatic situation'

Speaking in a live television address, Mr de Villepin said the president had accepted his proposed changes and that the new measures would be presented to the various sectors concerned during Monday.

He said he was convinced that the only way of addressing joblessness in France was a better balance between flexibility for employers and security for employees.

"For some time the action of the government had been guided by one objective, to provide thousands of young people from our society with opportunities for jobs," he said.

"I wanted to act very quickly because the dramatic situation and the despair of a number of young people warranted it.

"This was not understood by everyone, I'm sorry to say," said Mr de Villepin.

His goal now, he said, was to work for the future of the country, adding that he hoped all French people would work together.

Union leaders had given the government until Easter weekend to withdraw the law or face a repeat of the recent general strikes.

In a first reaction, the deputy leader of the country's second biggest trade union, the CGT, welcomed the announcement.

Maryse Dumas told the French news agency, AFP, that the withdrawal of the CPE was due to the "success of the joint action of workers and students, as well as union unity".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4895164.stm

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Beat you to it sunshine!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77449&page=7

THE WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!

[toki]

The Riots Worked: France to replace youth job law


that sparked weeks of sometimes violent protests

The protests worked seems to be the correct term.

Of the millions of people who protested only a few were rioting. Even though they're more visible there's an almost certain ratio of violence when young people meet in groups that large. You have it everywhere from sports to demonstrations (>>> Mayday gatherings Berlin!, Football events). The violent minority will always be there. No need to call the protests riots. Riots look different. There you have a majority commiting violent acts.

If it's politically the right decision is a different matter.

[BlackRain]

The protests worked seems to be the correct term.

Of the millions of people who protested only a few were rioting. Even though they're more visible there's an almost certain ratio of violence when young people meet in groups that large. You have it everywhere from sports to demonstrations (>>> Mayday gatherings Berlin!, Football events). The violent minority will always be there. No need to call the protests riots. Riots look different. There you have a majority commiting violent acts.

If it's politically the right decision is a different matter.

Yeah, I guess you are right - no riot just a peaceful protest. Those 3500 injured people are just imaginary.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/19/paris_wideweb__470x310,0.jpg

Student fury … a protester hurls a rock during clashes at Place de la Nation in Paris on Saturday. Chanting "Liberate the Sorbonne", the students charged police barriers and threw a petrol bomb at a riot police van.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Black Rain there was millions in the streets.

[Macs.]

Beat you to it sunshine!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77449&page=7

THE WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!

They will.

The workers united are destroying themselves.

France's system can't continue like it did... Its gonna colapse.

[Zarathustra]

Yeah, I guess you are right - no riot just a peaceful protest. Those 3500 injured people are just imaginary

What he means is that most of the rioters were not even student and could care less about that law. They were rather young trouble makers coming from poor suburban areas to f*ck with cops and rob other students wallets, handbag, cellphone and you know it.

[toki]

Yeah, I guess you are right - no riot just a peaceful protest. Those 3500 injured people are just imaginary.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/19/paris_wideweb__470x310,0.jpg

Student fury … a protester hurls a rock during clashes at Place de la Nation in Paris on Saturday. Chanting "Liberate the Sorbonne", the students charged police barriers and threw a petrol bomb at a riot police van.



:roll: Where did i write that? Read my post.
I say when a few milion people gather there will be a few hundred who use it for their cause. Always! And that regardless of the reason people gather. And a few hundred can easily cause havoc. I didn't say "peaceful" protests, but protest as compared to riots. And my point still stands.

It's like in the last world cup. I saw a group of maybe thousand people (students/kids) celebrating, cheering flagwaving. Then like 5 guys started to punch bypassers and one threw a smokebomb into a mall. The police took almost a hundred into custody, including my best friend who had no real connection to the gathering.

I don't defend anyone who throws rocks at a protest, but you cannot call 2+ million people rioters because a few caused havoc.

And as Zarathrustra assumed. The troublemakers are in many cases the most unpolitical. Mob behaviour and violence attracts alot of scum. Ask them about the law and they give you a blank stare.

[Mastermind]

shall we simply call it a "Period of some civil unrest", then? And I was wondering why the "Period of some civil unrest" in France never made to the top of the American nightly news. Quite too bland for our tastes...only 3,500 injured and practically no one killed...humph.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

shall we simply call it a "Period of some civil unrest", then? And I was wondering why the "Period of some civil unrest" in France never made to the top of the American nightly news. Quite too bland for our tastes...only 3,500 injured and practically no one killed...humph.Nah you guys are way better at riots we have more but your riots are more intense and usually with a higher body count.:)

[Mastermind]

Yah...we'll just have to wait for the car torchers to re-activate in France before we get overly trumped up over these pitiful excuses for a "riot".:roll: