US mountain division

[Chasseur_Alpin]

I seek rather complete sites on the 10th division of mountain other than this one http://www.tenthmountain.org/ (missions, training,...)
Can you help me?

thanks

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=10th+mountain


tried all of those yet?

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.drum.army.mil/

[Sixgun Symphony]

I am not too familiar with the 10th Mountain Div. Do they still train to be skiers and mountaineers?

[5jumpchump]

I was in 10th mountain div for just three short years . I was light infantry , mechanized division 3/62 ADA as a stinger missile gunner .
Most of the time we just used cold weather boots , the big white boots .
Only on one occasion did I ever use snow shoes and that was just to get the platoon used to them . We did some simple map reading with points we had to find about 500 meters apart . The woods were thick and the snow was 4 ft deep so they came in handy .
Months later we busted out the skis and poles . I was by no means a skier at all . Most of us hadn't been on skis ever . So we spent most of the day falling on our asses . By the end of the day though I picked up cross country skiing on flat ground . Going down hill was still hard but what the heck I just started that day . Since that day we never used them again .
No need to really learn how to ski , we had vehicles . If the vehicles broke down we would have another Mech unit come out and fix it if it was out of our hands .
I went through and passed cold weather training though . That was a cool and informative class . A little too short though . I wanted to go all out and catch our own food and field clean it , cook and eat it . But we have MRE's witch is faster , cleaner and less risky , more calories and every other reason . We did have to make a shelter and sleep in it over night though . That was my favorite part . Defeating the weather and making a cozy hooch for the night when it's literally -40 degrees with a wind chill factor of -68 . The clothing (gortext system ) is unbelievably kick ass . You can literally survive the coldest weather known to man with comfort .
Hope this is good info for ya .

[Sixgun Symphony]

What about rock climbing or rapelling?

I was Navy so I don't know much about the "green side" of the military.

[5jumpchump]

FT.Drum is nothing but flat . Not a mountain or "rock" to climb on at all .
Rolling hills at best . I did how ever go through Air assault school . Lot's of repelling to do there , just not on rocks or cliffs . We had plenty of towers though , and the best part helicopters . The training was hard but fun . Had the time of my life . It was quite the feeling being double stacked as a PVT 1 ! I had 2 officers on different occasions make me prove that i had earned my badges . They couldn't believe nor had ever seen a PVT 1 with both Airbourne and Air assault wings . I got really lucky though , i had Air bourne in my contract so right after AIT i was sent to jump school . Then only after being stationed at FT.Drum for just two months Air assault slots came down . This is were i got lucky . Most guys were on leave and most of the rest the were here were broke ****s or simply didn't want to do it .
So i got the slot after begging my Platoon SGT to death . Given the chance i kicked that school in the ass and got my blood wings by every instructor . Hard core .

[WolverineBlue]

I think the 172nd Infantry Brigade in Fort Wainwright, Alaska, would be a unit used to skiing and stuff like that. They are converting to a Stryker brigade right now as well.

http://www.wainwright.army.mil/1bde/

[Whisper]

Really interesting there, since your where Airbourne and all. You'd think you would know how to spell it by now, having to wear your tab all the time. AIRBORNE!!! I went through Air assault school, it's an easy school.

[5jumpchump]

Yeah , damn spell check . Anyhow the word "Airbourne" isn't displaied ahn yo'er wings . Ittsa lil pickture of a partchute wiff wings and stuff dood . Sahwy i don't be wighiting whiff all correctivness and sit . rofl

[Chasseur_Alpin]

thanks for the links!

do the 10th mountain div make they abroad training courses? exchanges?

[Sixgun Symphony]

Heh, interesting. :)

I hope that the Pentagon will move the HQ of the 10th Mtn Div. back to Colorado or some other mountain state.

It would be better that they be in a place where they can train for their specialty. Skis and snowshoes can then be used alot in the winter months to develop proficiency IMHO. Sure, most large units will ride around in vehicles, but what about rough mountains where vehicles are roadbound?
It seems to me that a mountain division should be prepared for such conditions.

Climbing and rapelling should be practiced too. Now dropping from a helicopter might be 90% of the rapelling a soldier will do, but a mountain trooper could concievably have to scale cliffs to reach an objective. So be prepared as the old Boy Scout motto goes.

Anyway, I am thinking that maybe we should start a letter writing campaign to move the 10th Mtn Div HQ over to Colorado or some other mountain state. What are your opinions on this matter?

[crazyman]

I highly doubt they'll be leaving Ft. drum anytime soon. the place is designed to house. train, and deploy that particular division. it's also a very usefull place for reserve/guard AT's, cold weather training, etc.

[Whisper]

Actually bud i said your TAB, as in your AIRBORNE TAB. The cute little thingy above your Unit patch, it says AIRBORNE.

[WolverineBlue]

I read that they are going to expand the number of troops at Fort Carson, Colorado...not sure who, but you can check yourself. Sounds like some units currently based in Germany (173rd Inf, 1 AD, 1ID)...



http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040305-troops-colorado.htm

[5jumpchump]

FT.Drum will be there for ever . 10 Mnt div is the most deployed division in the Army . **** my Fahter was there back in the day when it was called Camp Drum . Anyhow The barracks , when i got there in 93 , were only three years old . The cold weather training well all i can say is that troops from Alaska were sent to FT.Drum cuz Ft.Drum is colder then alaska - take it or leave . Plus the facilities are better . We did have many troops from different countries come and train . Russians , Germans , philipeans , all seem to be high ranking guys looking to get another tag on thier uniform or certification of such . Cold as a mofo there though . The winter of 93 had the biggets blizzard I'd ever seen . For three days it snowed so hard you couldn't see your hand when extended to it's reach . 282 inches of snow that winter alone when all was said and done . If i go the rest of my life without snow it's all good . :)

[WolverineBlue]

That's a helluva lot of snow. When my dad was at Fort Lewis (9th ID, mid-70's), he went to Alaska a lot. He also went a lot when he was at FORSCOM in Fort MacPherson.

10th Mountain is heavily used as you say for lengthy oversees deployments. I'm sure they do a lot of training with other countries oversees as well as hosting the foreigners here.

[5jumpchump]

I've lived in NJ all my life before I joined . I've never seen so much snow .
The first day I got there the snow "trenches" leading up to the barracks were up to my neck . The barracks were three stories high . Icicles telephone pole thick led from the roof down to the ground . It was friggin cold I thought this has to be the worst place to be stationed . I was right .
FT.Drum sucked ass . It's better know as the armpit of the Army . I can only recall 4 soldiers out of my company who decided to reenlist . I couldn't wait to leave . My unit was from FT.Ord Kalifornia , they closed that base down and sent them to FT.Drum . The morale went to **** . I can't blame them going from sunny pussy filled beaches to negative degree weather stuck with Watertown as the only place to party .Nothing but fat chicks and rednecks up there . We did how ever make the best of it going to Canada , HULL and providence Island . Good times up there . Over all though lots of cheese **** back stabbing and BS from the higher up . Most of our NCO's were backwoods cross eyed freaks from Louisiana . Lots of racism too , criminal activity , drug dealing Hahahahahahah GO ARMY rofl . Going to Haiti was the best out of it all , a chance to get away from the boring **** there . Ah well , all memories now .

[seventy6er]

do the 10th mountain div make they abroad training courses? exchanges?

Do the chasseurs alpins cross-train with German Gebirgsjäger??

[MSG Dman]

Most of our NCO's were backwoods cross eyed freaks from Louisiana . Lots of too , criminal activity , dealing Hahahahahahah GO ARMY rofl .

I was a Senior NCO in 10th Mountain for years, went to combat with them 3 times, and every NCO in my company was the heat. Maybe your unit sucked, but don't blame all the NCO's at 10th Mtn. Your comments are WAY out of line. 10th Mtn was probably glad to see you go.

[James]

What about rock climbing or rapelling?

I was Navy so I don't know much about the "green side" of the military.

A side note re: USMC -

We have a Mountain Warfare Training Center in the Easter Sierras in Bridgeport, CA. Various training takes place there. Among other things, they provide training to infantry battalions from the FMF in Mountain climbing, rock climbing, rapelling, etc.

I had a great time there. Has anyone else been? Just curious.

[Dmitri]

Actually bud i said your TAB, as in your AIRBORNE TAB. The cute little thingy above your Unit patch, it says AIRBORNE.Well, you know, if you went to Airborne school doesn't mean you will wear the cute little tab. And I don't think most of the 10th are in jump status.
Yeah, that's pretty cool, it is almost impossible to see any private with both airborne and air assault pathches. The exception is my friend fron NG unit, who was active duty in Korea first, he was a private with both patches AND Expert Infantry Badge!! High-speed!

[Whisper]

Roger that, let set aside his lack of spelling abilities for a sec, and even the fact that he didn't know his airborne tab said airborne on it, his attitude reminds me of a ticked of mech-nic who feels like he got robbed. But it's his own fault for signing the contract.

[Sixgun Symphony]

What about rock climbing or rapelling?

I was Navy so I don't know much about the "green side" of the military.

A side note re: USMC -

We have a Mountain Warfare Training Center in the Easter Sierras in Bridgeport, CA. Various training takes place there. Among other things, they provide training to infantry battalions from the FMF in Mountain climbing, rock climbing, rapelling, etc.

I had a great time there. Has anyone else been? Just curious.


Marines are green :)

Though I have known alot of Marines, I did not know that they trained for mountain warfare.

I do recall seeing some rapelling towers in Camp Pendleton years ago. One had an old, inoperative UH-1 "Huey" helicopter on it. It looked like it woud be fun to rapell down from it.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Arnt some of the Mountain Divisions cross-trained with the Canadian Forces?

Sorry thats the Marines that do the cross-training with the Canadians..my bad

[Dave the Dawg]

Unlike its WW2 predecessor, the 10th Mountain Division is no more a mountain division than the 101st is an airborne division. The titles are traditions, in each case harkening back to the unit's roots.

The 10th is trained and equipped as a standard light infantry division. It gets some experience in mountain operations, but so do the 25th ID, another light division (affectionately known as the Electric Strawberry), and numerous other units.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Well that sucks.

Sorta like calling mechanized tank units "cavalry".

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Well that sucks.


I agree

[James]

Marines are green

Though I have known alot of Marines, I did not know that they trained for mountain warfare.

I do recall seeing some rapelling towers in Camp Pendleton years ago. One had an old, inoperative UH-1 "Huey" helicopter on it. It looked like it woud be fun to rapell down from it.


Marines do indeed train for mountain warfare.

The towers you see all over the place are for regular rapell training and fast roping. Good stuff.

[Chasseur_Alpin]

Do the chasseurs alpins cross-train with German Gebirgsjäger??
yep, with german gebirgsjager and alpini!
no with 10th moutain? (because I believe that there are exchanges of fighter pilots between us and france...)

[5jumpchump]

Roger that, let set aside his lack of spelling abilities for a sec, and even the fact that he didn't know his airborne tab said airborne on it, his attitude reminds me of a ticked of mech-nic who feels like he got robbed. But it's his own fault for signing the contract.

What ever gave you the impression I am ticked off ? I loved jump school .
I loved basic training , **** I wanted to fail my last PT test on purpose so I could do everything all over again . I loved to train . I was just busting his balls for busting my balls about spelling . Anyhow my unit did suck , here's why . My 1st SGT got arrested in his underwear with a pistol in his hand - got busted ****ing another SSgt’s wife and he came home early . So my 1st SGT shoved a gun in his face and ran out the door . My team chief got arrested two years after I got out for armed robbery . He was married ( to a hot piece of ass I might add ) had 2 kids and a pretty good career on his hands . This ass hole was robbing the local gas stations for 3 years with a 357 magnum - FOR FUN rofl Now he's in Leven worth making big rocks into little rocks . Oh an lets not forget my very first PLT SGT who got a DWI and decided to nearly kill the officer who pulled him over . The drug dealing - **** one guy got nailed for dealing a sheet a acid
so he narked out all his buddies to escape life in prison . He took down half his friggin unit . You know what I guess I am ticked off I felt like I was surrounded by a bunch of criminals , assholes and people who were so ****ed up . That's why I left without hesitation - ZERO camaraderie .
It's funny though how some one said that they were probably glad to see me go . Well to the contrary my CO begged me literally day in day out to stay . It got to the point where he was almost threatening me , he kind of gave the impression that he was going to take my GI bill away from me and all kinds of other **** . I'm glad you had a squared away unit , for a while I was wondering how much of the Army was like my unit . Had me worried .MSGman I'm not saying ALL SGT's in the 10th are like that , I'm saying MOST in MY unit . How am I supposed to respect my Team Chief when the first day I meet him he looks me in the eye and tells me how he swam across the Atlantic , wrestled with anacondas , and made it through Ranger school but had no badge ? And he was dead serious too . Hours later at chow all the guys came up to me and asked me what kind of bull**** stories he told me . They all stared laughing at ME only because I got stuck with him . Great first day at my first unit . Like I said GO ARMMYYYYYYY rofl I just have to laugh at it now .
rofl
:(

[Sixgun Symphony]

Well to the contrary my CO begged me literally day in day out to stay .


You just threw away a great opportunity for some very rapid advancement and pay. You could have been "a five year chief" as we used to say in my navy days.

[5jumpchump]

No thanks . He even offered me a $2,000 bonus for a 4 yr reenlistment .
The Army wasn't what I thought it was . After all the cool training was over I was nothing more then a janitor . Cleaning this , cleaning that , barracks inspection , PMCS every Monday while the vehicle went absolutely NO WHERE over the weekend , cleaning commo needles with eraser heads off a pencil , listening to all the cheesy bull**** out of corporals sucking up to NCO's , the clicks , trying to impress the new first SGT for 6 months in a row yatta , yatta , yatta .And when we finally did do something cool like goto the range it was this long drawn out slow ass paced cluster **** of safety rule after safety rule it turned out to be so friggin boring I wasn't even interested in firing my weapon , nor cleaning it . F all that S rofl It took my recruiter 9 months to get me into the Army . It should have been a warning of what was to come . I should have joined the Marines . That's what I kept telling myself , I should have joined the Marines . But the one thing that pissed me off the most was being deployed to Haiti . Not so much getting deployed , it was a chance to get some action get off FT.Drum and see some of the world . But the part that pissed me off is that at one point we were only given TEN rounds of ammo to defend ourselves with . Ten ****ing rounds . Now I understand most of the fighting was over before I got there and the chance of us getting into a fire fight with the local attache was minimal it still pissed me off . I mean here's 14 yr old kids running amok with AK-47 with friggin grn launchers , bandoleers and grenades . And here I am with a ten rounds off .223 . Yay . Like I said GO ARRRRRMY ! rofl
So I had to rob ammo from the MP head quarters and just hope some cheese**** wouldn't rat me out or question why I have a full load . What a GD joke .

[Sixgun Symphony]

Again, when the CO is begging you to stay then you could have become a corporal right quick. Then you won't be the janitor anymore as you will have privates to do that for you.

When there are so many ****ed up people around you, then it is a real opportunity to look good and make rank. That = $$$$$.

[5jumpchump]

Hell they were going to make me Corporal anyhow . I studied my ass off , bought all new tags and metals for my dress greens hell I spent 70 bucks on the latest shoes . At the last minute they told me they were going to make some other guy take my place . I was pissed . He passed the test though but 2 months later he got a DWI rofl took his rank away , busted him down to a PVT , and he got extra duty 45 days and AA classes out the ass with fat soccer Moms . Within those 2 months I sold them damn expensive shoes to a friend who was getting married in dress greens . So when they asked me if I was ready for the test again I told them forget it , I only had two months left in anyhow and was leaving definitely .Thanks but no thanks , corporals don't make that much anyhow .

[Sixgun Symphony]

Corporals don't make much but I think you could have gone farther. I am just saying that your CO was begging you to stay and it was an opportunity to ask for higher rank.

[NcDeuce]

I think the 172nd Infantry Brigade in Fort Wainwright, Alaska, would be a unit used to skiing and stuff like that. They are converting to a Stryker brigade right now as well.

http://www.wainwright.army.mil/1bde/

Only one of three Army Regimental units...

For some reason, I used to think there was an Airborne unit up there in Alaska... :cantbeli:

[11F5S]

For some reason, I used to think there was an Airborne unit up there in Alaska... :cantbeli:

1/501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, "Geronimo" at Ft Richardson in Anchorage

Co O (Ranger) 75th Inf, " Artic Rangers" was at Richardson (1970-1972) as was the 38th SFC AKARNG (64-76)