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jameshr4
04-09-2006, 02:21 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2125413,00.html

UK
David Leppard

AT LEAST 400 Al-Qaeda terrorist suspects — double the previous estimates — are at large in Britain, according to police and MI5.
Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, director-general of MI5, has said the figure could be as high as 600 if all those thought to have returned from combat training in camps in Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere are included.

The new assessment — effectively a “terror audit” of Britain — was confirmed this weekend by one of Britain’s most senior police officers, who warned that shortages of trained surveillance teams were undermining attempts to monitor all the suspects.

“With about 400 terrorist suspects it requires a great deal of resources to investigate them,” said James Hart, police commissioner of the City of London, a prime Al-Qaeda target. “It’s impossible. You simply have to make intelligent guesses about who to watch. It’s a bit of a lottery.”

Hart’s words carry weight because he helped co-ordinate the response to last July’s terror attacks in London. He is also on a committee of security chiefs responsible for protecting the capital from future attacks.

The figure of 400 has emerged from a reassessment by MI5 of the terrorist threat after the July 7 suicide bombings, which killed 52 innocent people. It is double the number of suspects that Lord Stevens, the former Metropolitan police commissioner, said last year were potentially able to carry out attacks in Britain.

The Joint Intelligence Committee of security chiefs has already warned that Al-Qaeda’s campaign against Britain and other western countries has been “energised” by the war in Iraq. Police chiefs now believe this will last at least 20 years.

Officials say the 400 include a “hard core” of between 40 and 60 trained fighters with the capability and the intention to carry out attacks in Britain.

There are other Islamic extremists “around the edges” of the 400 who could become active terrorists at any point. MI5 has already admitted it failed to follow up evidence that the July 7 ringleader Mohammed Siddiqui Khan was involved on the fringes of a terrorist plot.

In addition, MI5 has drawn up a “thermal map” of terror hotspots across Britain. The threat is said to be particularly acute in the Manchester area, where police have disclosed that several suspected would-be suicide bombers have been stopped at the airport en route for Iraq.

MI5 has received funds to open offices in Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Birmingham and Glasgow with others planned for Wales and the southwest.

But police say they are being hindered by lack of money. Hart said: “Discussions are going on about how more resources can be put into this project. There is not enough money being put into this. We should be doing much more. We are talking about the safety of the United Kingdom.”

Hart’s comments were backed by opposition MPs. Patrick Mercer, Tory spokesman for homeland security, said the government should act straight away to increase funding for counter-terrorism

MoFo
04-09-2006, 03:37 PM
Well, that sucks.:|

East Scout
04-09-2006, 04:55 PM
That more than sucks.......I wonder how many are wondering aoround in the US..Probably 3 times that.....

theclash
04-10-2006, 05:53 AM
When senior police office James Hart says, "shortages of trained surveillence teams," I wonder if he'd include in his pool of trained teams the police officer that took a trip to the toilet while he was supposed to be watching Charles de Menezes' flat, missed the actual suspect exitting the residence and culminated in the chasing down and killing an innocent man?

Also, July 7th bomber, Mohammed Sidique Khan, was assessed by MI5 in 2004 after another bomb plot in which he was concluded to not be directly involved and taken off surveillence.

Anyway, just trying to get things in perspective - It's a difficult job, mistakes will be made.
Personally I'd like to see more details about the plots they've thwarted, although this probably won't happen for a long time due to security considerations, which is fair enough.

CMNot
04-10-2006, 05:54 AM
Our previous Governments lacked the balls to slot the IRA, now this one lacks the balls to slot these ****ers.

Just ratches up the furymeter one more notch...

jameshr4
04-10-2006, 06:20 AM
The problem is the police have to deal with everything from your terrorists to shoplifters, and some of the units involved dont only deal with terrorists they have to deal with other things aswell. Is it time to have one organisation to deal with terrorism like SOCA or a national Anti-Terrorist branch rather than each force having its own.

XShipRider
04-10-2006, 08:59 AM
Like most free nations, they accept the risk of allowing freedom of travel
throughout their country. This is the price we all pay for that freedom.

It's either that or a full-fledged surveillance society (which many
nations, including my own, seem to be creeping toward). Now
that stinks!

a_very_ex_STAB
04-10-2006, 09:46 AM
Officials say the 400 include a “hard core” of between 40 and 60 trained fighters with the capability and the intention to carry out attacks in Britain.


This seems to be the important bit. The IRA were able to wreak havoc with somewhat less (by all accounts) than 400 real hardcore players. If there really are 40-60 of these Jihadist fanatics on the lose then why aren't we seeing bombs going off all the time? If they are as bad as they are painted then reluctance to get stuck in is not likely to be one of their characteristics.

Most likely we're talking about some Walter Mitty's who've been to Pakistan and/or Afghanistan, maybe had some rudimentary weapons training prior to end 2001, but who've now gone a bit rusty through lack of opportunities to 'practice' and who really aren't up to it anymore.