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Clearday-TRForce
04-11-2006, 07:34 AM
Lockheed Martin ready for corporate warfare


WASHINGTON/FORT WORTH - TDN Defense Desk

The first of the world's fifth-generation fighters will soon be up and running: the F-35. The builders of the F-35 at Lockheed Martin aeronautics unit in Fort Worth, Texas, have almost completed the first Conventional Take-Off and Landing (CTOL) model, and the first flight is scheduled for fall of this year.

2006 will not only see the first F-35 flying but also a critical move by the partners of the multinational Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) consortium: a key memorandum of understanding (MoU) defining production, sustainment and follow-up development should be executed in December this year. The multilateral MoU signed by all nine partners (the United States, Britain, the Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Denmark, Canada, Australia and Turkey) defines an estimated F-35 quantity/delivery for each partner as well as the partner share in the program.

Beyond that date the F-35 may see air warfare, but the partnership that builds it will probably face corporate warfare in order to ensure that the fighter is as successful as its predecessors.




Lockheed Martin unveils 'the first' of what will become the world’s next generation fighter jet

WASHINGTON/FORT WORTH - TDN Defense Desk

It's a long way from the first sub-sonic jets with guns and bombs in 1945-1955 to interoperable jets with stealth and network-centric capabilities -- about six decades. The first one of the world's fifth generation fighters will soon be up and running: the F-35.

The builders of the F-35 at Lockheed Martin aeronautics unit in Fort Worth, Texas, have almost completed the first Conventional Take-Off and Landing (CTOL) model. The first engine, the F135, was installed on Feb. 13, and the aircraft has successfully passed the fuel system checkout testing -- with zero leakage, which is a rare performance. Structural-coupling and ground vibration testing for the first aircraft are now under way, the first flight is scheduled for fall of this year.

2006 will not only see the first F-35 flying but also a critical move by the partners of the multinational Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) consortium: a key memorandum of understanding (MoU) defining production, sustainment and follow-up development should be executed in December this year. The multilateral MoU signed by all nine partners (the United States, Britain, the Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Denmark, Canada, Australia and Turkey) defines an estimated F-35 quantity/delivery for each partner as well as the partner share in the program.

Beyond that date the F-35 may see air warfare, but the partnership that builds it will probably face corporate warfare in order to ensure that the fighter is as successful as its predecessors. For example, the F-16 has been delivered to 24 countries, and in no few quantities: over 4,300 so far, making it the largest multinational production program in history, worth more than $25 billion and still with a backlog of over 166 aircraft.

But how will Turkey decide on next generation fighters? As stakes rise in competitors' efforts to win the highly strategic Turkish contract, the size of local work share and overall unit, operational and maintenance costs come up as leading parameters.

Lockheed Martin, leader of the multinational F-35 JSF program, and the European Eurofighter consortium that builds the Eurofighter Typhoon have recently proposed rival plans to sell Turkey 120 new generation fighter jets, a contract priced anywhere from between $6 billion and $12 billion.

Murad Bayar, Turkey's chief procurement official as head of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), has said that the Ankara government is planning to spend up to $10 billion for nearly 100 fighters. He said the local work share would be critical. "Our objective for local work share is 50 percent of our total program," Bayar recently said during a visit to Washington.

In January Lockheed Martin offered $3.5 billion worth of industrial participation (at 2002 prices) for Turkey's local industry as part of the JSF program. Company officials say the offer should be priced at over $4 billion at current prices. The proposed work mostly involves the production of the center fuselage, advanced composites, avionics, cockpit display and a logistics info manager. "The final package will probably come close to $5 billion at present value," said a Lockheed Martin official.

Bayar said that he appreciates Lockheed Martin's offer for Tusas Aerospace Industries Inc., (TAI), which will get the lion's share in the deals by manufacturing the center fuselage and advanced composites. But he also said that Turkey wants further contracts for three other Turkish companies, military electronics companies Aselsan and Havelsan and missile manufacturer Roketsan, all owned by the military. Lockheed Martin officials say there are 85 different projects under negotiation with the Turkish industry.

Meanwhile, the Eurofighter group has also offered "a lucrative sale plan" to the Turkish government, Bayar said. "We're presently examining that proposal," he said. He did not give any further details on the European offer.

In addition to local work, overall cost will also be critical for the final Turkish decision on the cross-Atlantic competition. Lockheed Martin officials in Washington say the F-35 CTOL, the Air Force version Turkey intends to purchase, costs $46 million per aircraft (at 2002 prices), based on an average calculation on presently contracted orders only.

"The unit price may go up slightly in line with inflation, but rival costs will increase, too. In comparison, I can say that our price will stand at about half the price of our rivals," said Tom Waldrop, director of international programs at Lockheed Martin. "As we attain our sales target, our customers' affordability will increase." The JSF group is under a preliminary deal to sell 2,593 aircraft to the United States and Britain (150 aircraft), and hopes to sell about 700 to seven consortium partners and around 1,000 more aircraft to non-partner states, eventually reaching sales of around 4,500 aircraft.

Tom Burbage, vice president of Lockheed Martin Aeronautics and the general manager for the JSF program, said that since the Turkish order will be for the later stages of the production and delivery plan, the unit cost for Turkey would not be more expensive than the present average price. On the contrary,� Burbage said, �It will probably be cheaper (for Turkey). Affordability is a major pillar of our program.

The unit price of a Eurofighter Typhoon is a mystery, with consortium officials refusing to disclose any figure. "Any price figure mentioned is probably wrong," a Eurofighter official said. "The actual cost for Turkey will depend on the modality Turkey chooses, i.e., partner nation, off-the-shelf buyer or a hybrid solution."

The F-35 will replace seven different aircraft in the United States and Britain and six aircraft in other partner countries, including the Turkish F-16s. The F-16 is designed and manufactured by Lockheed Martin.

Turkish military officials say that if the country opts for a non-U.S. fighter, this would bring additional operational and maintenance costs. "I doubt if the Air Forces could support two different fighter concepts and systems," said a Turkish Air Forces official.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is manufactured by Eurofighter GmbH, Germany. Partners in the multinational Eurofighter Typhoon include Alenia Aeronautica, BAE SYSTEMS and the German-French-Spanish partnership EADS.

In July 2002 Turkey decided to take part in the JSF's system development and demonstration phase with seven other U.S. allies, agreeing to pay up to $175 million. Turkey is the biggest contributor among the third-tier partners. But a counteroffer by the Eurofighter group and the European Union's late 2005 decision to launch full membership talks with Ankara have made the Eurofighter Typhoon a strong rival in the new fighter program.



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Keyboard
04-11-2006, 09:06 AM
I know this post is going a little off topic, but does anybody know how many F-35's Canada purchased?

Supe
04-11-2006, 09:20 AM
No. Relevant information is in the first quoted text by Clearday:


2006 will not only see the first F-35 flying but also a critical move by the partners of the multinational Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) consortium: a key memorandum of understanding (MoU) defining production, sustainment and follow-up development should be executed in December this year. The multilateral MoU signed by all nine partners (the United States, Britain, the Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Denmark, Canada, Australia and Turkey) defines an estimated F-35 quantity/delivery for each partner as well as the partner share in the program.

Mastermind
04-11-2006, 10:08 AM
I am wondering why turkey needs these fighters...what nation threatens Turkey that they need such first line jet and the expenditure seems way over the top for a nation surrounded by third worlders.

toki
04-11-2006, 10:15 AM
I am wondering why turkey needs these fighters...what nation threatens Turkey that they need such first line jet and the expenditure seems way over the top for a nation surrounded by third worlders.
*cough* greece *cough* p-) Seriously they have their run ins in their airspace.

Is germany surrounded by a non friendly nation? No? Ok we don't need an airforce. Your logic is a bit over-simplyfied.

And give me a reason why you should stop to upgrade your military hardware? Do it too late and you're outdated.

Clearday-TRForce
04-11-2006, 10:38 AM
I am wondering why turkey needs these fighters...what nation threatens Turkey that they need such first line jet and the expenditure seems way over the top for a nation surrounded by third worlders.


Turkey is a very strategical country in the world. He is also in hot area. Petrol,natural sources,water resources in the very crucial geography. He meets Asia and Europe lands in the same land.

If you want to understand why Turkey buys these newest planes,you should consider deeply what his role in the region and world. Straddling the continents of Europe and Asia, a bridge between West and East. bordering the Black Sea, between Bulgaria and Georgia and bordering the Aegean Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, between Greece and Syria.


http://www.digiwis.com/maps/c311v.jpg

BlackRain
04-11-2006, 10:55 AM
Hopefully, this article puts to rest the pipedreams of Eurofighters for Turkey.

Clearday-TRForce
04-11-2006, 11:12 AM
Hopefully, this article puts to rest the pipedreams of Eurofighters for Turkey.

Hopefully, you will respect to others in truly way while using your full of senses to the different issues in different environments. The real problem of us(especially in MP.net for some users) not to understand realities of world. Not to use our full potential to consider what is going on around and why?

The matter is not pipedreams...The matter is to find common ways to protect all of us in the same holes. Hopefully,you will understand us.Maybe a day...

sp2c
04-11-2006, 12:12 PM
odd title

but other then that there really isn't anything new here, there are pictures of the roll out of the first jet all over the web

javi
04-11-2006, 01:16 PM
I know this post is going a little off topic, but does anybody know how many F-35's Canada purchased?

one to many

signatory
04-11-2006, 01:18 PM
JSF Partnerships in Question
Norway Rethinks F-35 Agreement
By GERARD O’DWYER, HELSINKI Posted 04/10/06

Norway’s Labor government is re-examining its membership in the Lockheed Martin-led Joint Strike Fighter F-35 program, Defense Minister Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen told the Storting, Norway’s national legislature, on March 30. Strøm-Erichsen said the government remained unhappy over certain aspects of the project, especially the technical nature and value of peripheral deals being offered to Norwegian industry as part of the program.“The procurement program for new fighters for the Air Force will be a very costly project for Norway,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “It is the duty of this government to ensure that we not only choose the fighter type that is best suited to our needs, but that Norwegian industry will benefit as much as possible from the final arrangement.” Norway’s participation in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program was championed by former Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik, who headed a minority rainbow coalition of Conservatives, Liberals and Christian Democrats. The Bondevik administration was replaced by Labor Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg after parliamentary elections in October. Labor criticized Bondevik’s open support for the JSF program and suggested exploring alternatives, including France’s Dassault Rafale, the BAE-Saab JAS 39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

State Secretary Espen Barth Eide conceded that the Labor government is less committed to consummating its relationship with the JSF program than was the case when Bondevik was in power. The visible weakening of the Labor administration’s ties to the JSF program has resulted in the state secretary re-opening talks with Sweden and Dassault. Eide said talks March 28 with Dassault representatives in Oslo were “productive.” The meeting followed a March 8 conference with his Swedish counterpart, Jonas Hjelm, to discuss Norway’s fighter procurement plan. “We have talked with [Dassault] and Saab, and we intend to keep on talking to all the potential candidates, including the Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter,” Eide said. “With Rafale, we spoke about the prospects for a strong high-technology-driven defense industry agreement between Norway and France.”

Norway’s $8 billion fighter procurement project foresees the purchase of 48 planes to replace F-16s slated to start retiring in 2020. “We need to reassess all of the options,” Eide said. “It was believed in some areas of politics and defense that the Joint Strike Fighter is the only type we were looking at and interested in. This is not the case. We want to achieve a solution that results in Norway purchasing the best aircraft with a large amount of the sub-contract work taking place in Norway.” Labor party adviser Olav Akselen said March 31 that the government would be “well served” to consider re-opening talks with Sweden regarding an offset arrangement for the JAS Gripen. Akselen, who was the petroleum and energy minister in the previous Labor government in 2001, is chairman of two of the legislature’s most influential committees: the Standing Committee of Foreign Affairs and the Standing Committee for Business and Industry. “Unlike the Joint Strike Fighter, the JAS Gripen is already flying with air forces in Europe and South Africa,” he said. “One scenario could be an offset arrangement whereby Norway can purchase new fighter aircraft in return for the supply to Sweden of oil and natural gas.”

In a Feb. 23 statement to the Storting, Strøm-Erichsen said that Norway would need to clarify its relationship with the JSF program in May if not before. “We are continuing to talk with the Pentagon, the State Department and officials from Lockheed Martin,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “We will continue to be vocal about our concerns and raise issues that we feel are important.” Seeking Bigger Industry Role The Ministry of Defense (MoD) has compiled a wish list of products and systems that could be provided by Norwegian industry, including the high-profile Naval Strike Missile. The MoD, which wants the JSF to carry the stealth standoff weapon, has offered Norway’s Kongsberg Group as a candidate for such a project. The company would hope to secure advanced composites contracts relating to the manufacture of drop-tanks and supplementary structural components for the aircraft. Eide said that concerns raised with the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin centered on what gains Norwegian industry could expect to take in the event that Norway commit to purchasing the JSF. He accepted that many of the larger subcontracts had already been delegated. “The government would like to see a situation where Norwegian industry was offered high-technology work,” Eide said. “We would not like to see a situation where low-grade contracts were offered on the manufacture of secondary items. Contracts that involved the manufacture of advanced materials and systems integration are more interesting.” Speaking at a press conference in Oslo on Feb. 7, Strøm-Erichsen said Norway’s continued participation in the JSF program was not the most critical issue outstanding. “Our options remain open. We could remain in the JSF program and not buy the aircraft,” said Strøm-Erichsen. “Alternatively, we could leave the program and decide at a later stage to purchase the aircraft. We are under no pressure to make a final decision on what fighter aircraft we will buy until 2008.”

Representatives from Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands and Norway met in Noordwijk, Netherlands, on March 7 to discuss European JSF cooperation. Strøm-Erichsen said that the meeting’s participants agreed that any European plan would have to wait until there is a shared European vision of the assembly, sustainment processes and technology transfer; and support for the vision by U.S. authorities and aircraft and engine producers. “The partners agreed the next step is for a plan to be worked out in detail in consultation with the U.S. authorities and the industries involved,” Strøm-Erichsen said. “The joint plan should be completed by the summer.” The plan would guide a memorandum of understanding on JSF production and sustainment, which is expected to be signed by all partners by year’s end, he said. Norway joined the JSF program as a Level 4 member in 2002, joining other Level 4 participants Canada, Denmark, Australia, Turkey and Israel. Oslo’s total financial contribution amounts to $150 million over 10 years. Norway’s next installment of $21 million is due in June.
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11/04/06
Flight International

Italian industry hits out at JSF technology transfer

Military cautious on F-35 programme, but Alenia president expresses dissatisfaction

With negotiations on participation in production of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) entering a critical phase, Italy’s government has come under fire from its industry for taking too soft a position on US technology transfer restrictions.

Italy is questioning the value of its investments in the JSF programme


Alenia Aeronautica president Giorgio Zappa has said, in a New York Times interview, that access to sensitive technology is a key issue in the negotiations, adding that his company is not satisfied with the answers so far received from the USA.

The final round of negotiations on the memorandum of understanding (MoU) for the JSF production, sustainment and follow-on development phase takes place this month in the USA. While Australia and the UK have threatened not to sign the MoU unless technology transfer issues are resolved, Italy has been more cautious.

“All the countries are playing hard ball in the negotiations,” says Tom Burbage, Lockheed Martin F-35 programme general manager, who adds that Italy’s request to host a second final-assembly and check-out facility for the JSF has been approved.

With a requirement for 130 conventional and short take-off and landing aircraft, Italy is potentially the second largest international customer after the UK. Rome has committed $1 billion to the JSF system development and demonstration phase, but Italian industry says only a third of the promised €320 million ($387 million) workshare has been received.

Even if the draft MoU is released as planned in June, each of the international partners must gain parliamentary approval to purchase the JSF before signing the agreement in December, and issues over technology transfer and industrial participation have fuelled political opposition in some of the countries, including Italy.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/04/11/Navigation/177/205904/Italian+industry+hits+out+at+JSF+technology+transfer.html

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Ratamacue
04-11-2006, 02:44 PM
Those articles must be outdated, because the first F-35A (CTOL) was rolled out of the Lockheed factory on February 19.

signatory
04-11-2006, 02:54 PM
Those articles must be outdated, because the first F-35A (CTOL) was rolled out of the Lockheed factory on February 19.

They rolled out prototype AA-1.

daily666
04-11-2006, 03:03 PM
There was some rumour that Poland would go for the F-35 in the future as it is it's going to be an obvious successor for our F-16s.

sp2c
04-11-2006, 05:25 PM
They rolled out prototype AA-1.
that's not a prototype, it's a preproduction aircraft

signatory
04-11-2006, 06:15 PM
lol..... whatever word you find more fancy. It's a prototype to test and verify among things (prototype) sub-components. Same what will happen to the BA-1 prototype when its ready. All to make sure the production jets will be as bug free as possible.

Ratamacue
04-11-2006, 06:22 PM
lol..... whatever word you find more fancy. It's a prototype to test and verify among things (prototype) sub-components. Same what will happen to the BA-1 prototype when its ready. All to make sure the production jets will be as bug free as possible.It's still a complete design for the F-35A, completely functional, unlike the X-35 which was more for testing the engine and airframe.

Chulo
04-11-2006, 07:29 PM
any idea if they offred it to India too?