breaking news: 3 explosions in spain

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Blast at Madrid railway station


There has been at least one explosion at the Atocha railway station in central Madrid early on Thursday, Spanish radio stations are reporting.
People in the area said they heard three consecutive blasts.

A spokesman for the emergency services in the Spanish capital said firefighters and police had gone to the scene, Spanish newspaper ABC says.

Witnesses say the area has been cordoned off. The first blast happened at 0635 GMT.

[Pandy]

Yea, something just came in from Fox news about this, still trying to get information on it. All they know is that there were at least one explosion.

[Ghostwolf]

According to BBC there were at least five explosion reported,
at least 20 people have died and more than 50 injured,
some say that the death toll could go as high as 90. The Basque
separatist group Eta was suspected of this attack.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.blasts/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3500452.stm

[Loopster]

The Basque separatist group Eta was suspected of this attack.

Please, don't call them separatist group, they're terrorist and a mob organization. I live 150 meters from Atocha Railway Station and for just 20 minutes I don't be directly affected. All the people are donating blood at this moment in special buses and the police are searching for another bombs or the terrorist who placed that.

At least 80 people have died..... RIP

Two bombs are discovered near the primarly objectives, they're placed to kill police and emergency service's members.

If you want to do something to stop and catch those motherf****** don't call them anything except terrorists.

[rafaelcb]

At least 65 people have been murdered in the 3 explosions.

ETA has been murdering in Spain for 40 years. For most of these 40 years we have been fighting them alone, and very often these criminals were referred to as 'Separatist' or 'Political Dissidents'. Other european nations gave them political refugee status. Almost 1.000 people have been killed by them.

The people they have murdered today were workers going by train to their jobs at 7:30 in the morning.

Please remember this next time ETA is called 'Separatist group'

[wholagun]

its a shame.

Soldiarity with Spainish brothers
RIP

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BBC says at least 30 so far which is probably what is certain so far

[Collosus]

This must be one of the biggest ETA attack so far, isn't it?

RIP to those innocent victims.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

holy **** theres been 4 explosion :(
my thoughts are with everyone down there...
RIP
Reported 60 dead :( 4 bombs in 3 commuter train stations

[xjym2002]

Terrorists are cowards!

RIP to innocents.

[scoone]

Bombs exploted in 3 places ( railroad stations) Atocha y the bigger one and also the one were more casualties are found. A total number of 80 people death is confirmed by the spanish tv channels.In the Atocha train they placed two bombs, the first exploted making a real mess among the passangeers, when they were trying to scape the second bomb exploted.
I' so sad, so ..., I have no words to describe such a bloodbath in Madrid.The images from the news are shocking, police, emergency services, firefighters, everyone is trying to help. The govt. in Madrid has asked for blood donations in hospitals.
I'll try to post some pics as soon as I can.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Today is a sad day :(

[Uncle Chô]

The Basque separatist group Eta was suspected of this attack.

Please, don't call them separatist group, they're terrorist and a mob organization.
You must even use the word mass murderers.

A simple reminder : Eta has killed more than 800 people in its campaign since the late 1960s.

Their "cause" is indefensible.

[citizen-k]

:(

A sad day.

[George W. Bush]

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[scoone]

http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/txt/20040311095811.html
http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/txt/20040311094040.html
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http://es.news.yahoo.com/fot/txt/20040311092341.html

[scoone]

This must be one of the biggest ETA attack so far, isn't it?

RIP to those innocent victims.

Yes it's the biggest attack ever. A sad record indeed.

[-Max2-]

F***ing terrorists... :bash:

Looks like the ETA is not yet dead... :(

[Lobo]

Here we have all my flatmates, sit down watching TV and getting calls from friends and relative... We live in the SW of Madrid, far from Atocha.

No words for what are we seeing on TV.

[16 OBr SpN]

RIP :(
My condolences....

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latest (real player) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/live/now1.ram)

[Mr. Nielsen]

Seems this could be the worst terror bombing in europe since ww2, at this time I can't recall a worse one.

How often have ETA gone after civilians in the past? (can Al Queda definitely be ruled out?)

Also I have of latest heard that the ETA was on it's knee's, members being arrested, fewer sympathisers etc...

If so is this the death spasm's of ETA?

[fdt]

This must be one of the biggest ETA attack so far, isn't it?

RIP to those innocent victims.

Yes it's the biggest attack ever. A sad record indeed.The most probably it was ETA, but this attack would mean that they have changed their "murderous tactics". So far they rather produced some kinda warnings before... this time they didn't. So far they preferred police, gendarmerie targets (but they attacked civilians too) this time it was a deliberate civilians bloodshed. Some animals have gone mad... and therefore must be eliminated... ETA or not...

RIP

Today we are all citizens of Madrid...

[Loopster]

More than 200 death victims........ simply horrible.

Please, call to the european and american news channels and force them to call ETA like a terrorist group, I think we can eliminate ETA and this is the last attack they can make.

All the blood needs are satisfied in only 2 hours and the police eliminate at least 3 ****y traps to kill the TEDAX teams.


The worst thing I've ever see.... I survive for 20 minutes only to see more than 20 bodies in the floor. :(

[stuntman]

RIP :(
My condolences....
I guess this is all to familiar to you OB!
Rest in peace to my ancestral country!
Weep em man it's Spain!

[Kilgor]

From what they are saying on the bbc that they might have had outside help on this one ?

[Uncle Chô]

At 1:00pm local time (GMT +1), the Spanish authorities said : 173 deaths and 600+ injured :(

http://www.elpais.es/

Still increasing.

The political branch of the ETA declared it is an Islamic bombing...

[Kriz]

I wonder if this is the work of the ETA of another terrorist group?

RIP

[Chasseur_Alpin]

270 victims now...

I hope it will stop increasing.

[AFG]

RIP :(

[lekomin]

I wonder if this is the work of the ETA of another terrorist group?

RIP
I second that. It is far to complicated for ETA.. logistics, planning.. ETA had in all killed around 800 people since 1960. ETA's operations are in disaray because their leadership is either in spanish or french prisons. They had never conducted concurent bombings, never attacked railways... they usually blow up cars of government officials (small bombs, not 500kg "Oklahoma" bombs..) Slowly they skew towards a mafia drug trafficing organisation with political "aims" as a useful disguise. ETA had no political agenda in doing such a thing 4 days before elections.. There was no bomb threat call (as it is usally..). I am pretty sure there will be a Osama bin Laden tape in couple of weeks claiming responsibility.
take care
lekomin inc

[Mr. Nielsen]

270 victims now...

I hope it will stop increasing.

Most medias (BBC,CNN etc) are still talking about 170 death victims.
Let's hope It won't get at 270.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I wonder if this is the work of the ETA of another terrorist group?

RIP
I second that. It is far to complicated for ETA.. logistics, planning.. ETA had in all killed around 800 people since 1960. ETA's operations are in disaray because their leadership is either in spanish or french prisons. They had never conducted concurent bombings, never attacked railways... they usually blow up cars of government officials (small bombs, not 500kg "Oklahoma" bombs..) Slowly they skew towards a mafia drug trafficing organisation with political "aims" as a useful disguise. ETA had no political agenda in doing such a thing 4 days before elections.. There was no bomb threat call (as it is usally..). I am pretty sure there will be a Osama bin Laden tape in couple of weeks claiming responsibility.
take care
lekomin inc

If it is ETA, they have surely blown themselves out of the water. I mean they must be playing out to an audience of basque symphatizers (or perceived symphatizers). But I can't believe such an attack could leave them any symphatizers anywhere.

[Kriz]

I wonder if this is the work of the ETA of another terrorist group?

RIP
I second that. It is far to complicated for ETA.. logistics, planning.. ETA had in all killed around 800 people since 1960. ETA's operations are in disaray because their leadership is either in spanish or french prisons. They had never conducted concurent bombings, never attacked railways... they usually blow up cars of government officials (small bombs, not 500kg "Oklahoma" bombs..) Slowly they skew towards a mafia drug trafficing organisation with political "aims" as a useful disguise. ETA had no political agenda in doing such a thing 4 days before elections.. There was no bomb threat call (as it is usally..). I am pretty sure there will be a Osama bin Laden tape in couple of weeks claiming responsibility.
take care
lekomin inc

If it is ETA, they have surely blown themselves out of the water. I mean they must be playing out to an audience of basque symphatizers (or perceived symphatizers). But I can't believe such an attack could leave them any symphatizers anywhere.

Yeah I was thinking this too :s this would mean scaring of large groups of ETA sympathizers. it just wouldn't be "logical" to do this, from ETA point of view.

[Chasseur_Alpin]

oups sorry, 170 is right!
typing error.

:oops:

[Mr. Nielsen]

Yeah I was thinking this too :s this would mean scaring of large groups of ETA sympathizers. it just wouldn't be "logical" to do this, from ETA point of view.

Or perhaps they had given up on everything, and just wanted drag as many with them into death. But it's is just not like european mentality.

Also it's not like there is a whole lot to revenge. I mean it's not like the spanish authorities have been brutally suppressing the basque people or anything like that.

[n_shanygin]

RIP

[He219]

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/3074513.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=C1DA3E90C9141D42DA7B93D256B76642

MADRID, SPAIN: Bodies of victims are evacuated after a train exploded near the Atocha train station in Madrid 11 March 2004. At least 131 people were killed and some 400 injured early 11 March 2004 in near-simultaneous explosions on three trains in Madrid at the height of morning commuter traffic, the Spanish interior ministry said. In what appeared to be a deliberate attack staged only 72 hours ahead of Spanish general elections, the blasts went off on a long-distance high-speed carrier and two suburban trains packed with commuters.

RIP
:(

[MARINO]

The girl i love take this train every day i can have contatc with her, i'm really worried :(

[Shake n Bake]

Damn...

[Javehn]

My deeply condolences to the families of victoms in Spain . RIP to the victims , i hope the terrorist scumbags will be punished .
I hope your girl is ok .

[mack pl]

RIP

[marktigger]

deespest sympathies to the dead and their realitives.

tactics used sound very familiar.

[Pandy]

there's more, 173 dead, at least 600 wounded, their saying 10 bombs exploded.

By MAR ROMAN, Associated Press Writer

MADRID, Spain - Ten terrorist bombs blasted three Madrid train stations at the height of the morning rush hour Thursday, killing more than 170 people and wounding at least 600 before this weekend's general elections. Officials blamed Basque separatists for the worst terror attack in Spanish history.

"This is a massacre," government spokesman Eduardo Zaplana said.

A total of 10 bombs exploded, killing 173 people and injured more than 600, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said. Police found and detonated three others.

Before the Thursday bombings, the Basque separatist group ETA had been blamed for more than 800 deaths in its decades-old campaign to carve an independent Basque homeland from territory straddling northern Spain and southwest France.

"ETA had been looking for a massacre in Spain," Acebes said after an emergency cabinet meeting, citing recent thwarted attacks. "Unfortunately, today it achieved its goal."

He said security services knew ETA was responsible because the group tried a similar attack on Christmas Eve, placing bombs on two trains bound for a station that was not hit Thursday. He also noted the Feb. 29 police interception of a Madrid-bound van packed with more than 1,100 pounds of explosives. Authorities blamed ETA.


"Therefore, it is absolutely clear and evident that the terrorist organization ETA was looking to commit a major attack," Acebes said. "The only thing that varies is the train station that was targeted."

A top Basque politician, Arnold Otegi, denied the separatists were behind the blasts and blamed "Arab resistance." Many al-Qaida-linked terrorists were captured in Spain or were believed to have operated from there.

Thursday's bombs exploded about 7:30 a.m. on trains or at platforms on the commuter line running to the Atocha station, a bustling transportation hub in the capital. At least two of the bombs went off in trains that were in the Atocha station.

Otegi told Radio Popular in San Sebastian that ETA always phones in warnings before it attacks. Acebes said there was no warning before Thursday's attack.

"The modus operandi, the high number of victims and the way it was carried out make me think, and I have a hypothesis in mind, that yes it may have been an operative cell from the Arab resistance," Otegi said, noting that Spain's government backed the Iraq (news - web sites) war.

Until now, the highest death toll in ETA-linked attacks was 21 killed in a supermarket blast in Barcelona in 1987.

People streamed away from the Atocha station in tears Thursday as rescue workers carried bodies covered in sheets of gold fabric. The wounded, faces bloodied, sat on curbs and used mobile phones to tell loved ones they were alive. Hospitals appealed for blood donations. Buses were pressed into service as ambulances.

Rescue workers were overwhelmed, said Enrique Sanchez, an ambulance driver who went to Santa Eugenia station, about six miles southeast of Atocha station.

"There was one carriage totally blown apart. People were scattered all over the platforms. I saw legs and arms. I won't forget this ever. I've seen horror," Sanchez said.

Shards of twisted metal were scattered by rails in the Atocha station at the spot where an explosion severed a train in two.

"I saw many things explode in the air ... it was horrible," said Juani Fernandez, 50, a civil servant who was on the platform waiting to go to work.

"People started to scream and run, some bumping into each other and as we ran there was another explosion. I saw people with blood pouring from them, people on the ground," Fernandez said.

"Those responsible for this tragedy will be arrested and they will pay very dearly for it," Acebes said at Atocha station.

The attacks traumatized Spain on the eve of Sunday's general election.

The campaign was largely dominated by separatist tensions in regions like the Basque country, with both the ruling conservative Popular Party and the opposition Socialists ruling out talks with ETA.

The government convened anti-ETA rallies nationwide for Friday evening and announced three days of mourning.

"What a horror," said the Basque regional president, Juan Jose Ibarretxe, who insisted ETA does not represent the Basque people. "When ETA attacks, the Basque heart breaks into a thousand pieces," he said in the Basque capital Vitoria.

"This is one of those days that you don't want to live through," said opposition Socialist party spokesman Jesus Caldera. "ETA must be defeated," referring to the group as "those terrorists, those animals."

In London, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called the attacks terrorist atrocities and a "disgusting assault on the very principle of European democracy."

Straw said that Britain stood "shoulder to shoulder" with Spain and was ready to send any kind of material help needed.

Elsewhere, European Parliament President Pat Cox said the bomb attacks amounted to "a declaration of war on democracy."

"No more bombs, no more dead," Cox said in Spanish before a hushed legislature in Strasbourg, France. "It is an outrageous, unjustified and unjustifiable attack on the Spanish people and Spanish democracy."

Spanish officials had said ETA was against the ropes following the arrest last year of more than 150 members or collaborators in Spain and France, including the leaders of ETA's commando network. Last year, ETA killed three people, compared with 23 in 2000 and 15 in 2001.

First thing I said was "Holy ****", RIP to the victims in spain.

[Pandy]

there's more, 173 dead, at least 600 wounded, their saying 10 bombs exploded.

By MAR ROMAN, Associated Press Writer

MADRID, Spain - Ten terrorist bombs blasted three Madrid train stations at the height of the morning rush hour Thursday, killing more than 170 people and wounding at least 600 before this weekend's general elections. Officials blamed Basque separatists for the worst terror attack in Spanish history.

"This is a massacre," government spokesman Eduardo Zaplana said.

A total of 10 bombs exploded, killing 173 people and injured more than 600, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said. Police found and detonated three others.

Before the Thursday bombings, the Basque separatist group ETA had been blamed for more than 800 deaths in its decades-old campaign to carve an independent Basque homeland from territory straddling northern Spain and southwest France.

"ETA had been looking for a massacre in Spain," Acebes said after an emergency cabinet meeting, citing recent thwarted attacks. "Unfortunately, today it achieved its goal."

He said security services knew ETA was responsible because the group tried a similar attack on Christmas Eve, placing bombs on two trains bound for a station that was not hit Thursday. He also noted the Feb. 29 police interception of a Madrid-bound van packed with more than 1,100 pounds of explosives. Authorities blamed ETA.


"Therefore, it is absolutely clear and evident that the terrorist organization ETA was looking to commit a major attack," Acebes said. "The only thing that varies is the train station that was targeted."

A top Basque politician, Arnold Otegi, denied the separatists were behind the blasts and blamed "Arab resistance." Many al-Qaida-linked terrorists were captured in Spain or were believed to have operated from there.

Thursday's bombs exploded about 7:30 a.m. on trains or at platforms on the commuter line running to the Atocha station, a bustling transportation hub in the capital. At least two of the bombs went off in trains that were in the Atocha station.

Otegi told Radio Popular in San Sebastian that ETA always phones in warnings before it attacks. Acebes said there was no warning before Thursday's attack.

"The modus operandi, the high number of victims and the way it was carried out make me think, and I have a hypothesis in mind, that yes it may have been an operative cell from the Arab resistance," Otegi said, noting that Spain's government backed the Iraq (news - web sites) war.

Until now, the highest death toll in ETA-linked attacks was 21 killed in a supermarket blast in Barcelona in 1987.

People streamed away from the Atocha station in tears Thursday as rescue workers carried bodies covered in sheets of gold fabric. The wounded, faces bloodied, sat on curbs and used mobile phones to tell loved ones they were alive. Hospitals appealed for blood donations. Buses were pressed into service as ambulances.

Rescue workers were overwhelmed, said Enrique Sanchez, an ambulance driver who went to Santa Eugenia station, about six miles southeast of Atocha station.

"There was one carriage totally blown apart. People were scattered all over the platforms. I saw legs and arms. I won't forget this ever. I've seen horror," Sanchez said.

Shards of twisted metal were scattered by rails in the Atocha station at the spot where an explosion severed a train in two.

"I saw many things explode in the air ... it was horrible," said Juani Fernandez, 50, a civil servant who was on the platform waiting to go to work.

"People started to scream and run, some bumping into each other and as we ran there was another explosion. I saw people with blood pouring from them, people on the ground," Fernandez said.

"Those responsible for this tragedy will be arrested and they will pay very dearly for it," Acebes said at Atocha station.

The attacks traumatized Spain on the eve of Sunday's general election.

The campaign was largely dominated by separatist tensions in regions like the Basque country, with both the ruling conservative Popular Party and the opposition Socialists ruling out talks with ETA.

The government convened anti-ETA rallies nationwide for Friday evening and announced three days of mourning.

"What a horror," said the Basque regional president, Juan Jose Ibarretxe, who insisted ETA does not represent the Basque people. "When ETA attacks, the Basque heart breaks into a thousand pieces," he said in the Basque capital Vitoria.

"This is one of those days that you don't want to live through," said opposition Socialist party spokesman Jesus Caldera. "ETA must be defeated," referring to the group as "those terrorists, those animals."

In London, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called the attacks terrorist atrocities and a "disgusting assault on the very principle of European democracy."

Straw said that Britain stood "shoulder to shoulder" with Spain and was ready to send any kind of material help needed.

Elsewhere, European Parliament President Pat Cox said the bomb attacks amounted to "a declaration of war on democracy."

"No more bombs, no more dead," Cox said in Spanish before a hushed legislature in Strasbourg, France. "It is an outrageous, unjustified and unjustifiable attack on the Spanish people and Spanish democracy."

Spanish officials had said ETA was against the ropes following the arrest last year of more than 150 members or collaborators in Spain and France, including the leaders of ETA's commando network. Last year, ETA killed three people, compared with 23 in 2000 and 15 in 2001.

First thing I said was "Holy ****", RIP to the victims in spain.

[scoone]

ETA was planning an attack in Madrid in the last weeks.Remember the post by Marino (I'm not sure) about the intercepted car full of explosives heading for Madrid.Everything's possible but during the '80s ETA bombed a mall in Barcelona, they don't mind civilian casualties.If it was Al Qaeda well, they are also a bunch of bloody terrorists thats all. It dosen´t matter the name of the band, tha colour or the ideas, they are all a fu***ng bunch of cowards and butchers.
Marino, I hope that your girl is OK let us Know it. My condolences to the people of Madrid . Galicia has sent helicopters with blood donnations we must stand together in these painful moments.

[Javehn]

It's a whole new global war , a war for terror , and as soon as people would understand it , the better . The terror is a global , while those who fights against it , do it by their own .

[Mr. Nielsen]

ETA was planning an attack in Madrid in the last weeks.Remember the post by Marino (I'm not sure) about the intercepted car full of explosives heading for Madrid.Everything's possible but during the '80s ETA bombed a mall in Barcelona, they don't mind civilian casualties.If it was Al Qaeda well, they are also a bunch of bloody terrorists thats all. It dosen´t matter the name of the band, tha colour or the ideas, they are all a fu***ng bunch of cowards and butchers.
Marino, I hope that your girl is OK let us Know it. My condolences to the people of Madrid . Galicia has sent helicopters with blood donnations we must stand together in these painful moments.

Another indication that it might be ETA that is responsible, is the coming elections in Spain. The bombings might be intended to tell, that they are still around. Though it seems that one bomb, not ten would have been enough for that.

[Luxembourger]

Or perhaps they had given up on everything, and just wanted drag as many with them into death. But it's is just not like european mentality.

RIP to !!!!!!!!!!

I agree on that , I also rather think it was an Al Qaeda thing.

[Loco]

First of all, I´vent enough words to say to madrileños today, and just now I´m short of time. I think I´ve said here before I´m basque, spanish basque, and I´ve to write a wider post later, only saying that this morning "the news" was in the air, this time many people couldn´t avoid talking only about the weather or the next trip this saturday, and many other people talked this time loudly and didn´t keep any word in their minds, but the life goes on, because we all know Eta won´t use bombs like in Madrid, here Eta only will kill selected targets, no colateral damges except in the case of bad luck like I could seeing, listening and smelling before. In this "opressed" territory we enjoy incomes over the rate of EU, we haven´t armoured helos or F-16 hovering over our heads, soldiers killing civilians or bulldozer smashing houses, but we build hi-tech aerocrafts, speed trains, cars, trucks, we can go here and there, buying and selling, talking in the language we want, but only can talk in freedom everywhere except if you say you want to be independent, if not, better you talk about the weather. We´ve a damn beautiful country, Euskadi would be simply the perfect place in the earth for living and working. I can´t explain to other people the reason of Madrid bombs or the existance of Eta after 1975. Perhaps it´s the end, I don´t know, but just know this it´s depressing, it´s hard of asimilating for me the whole magnitude of this action, the biggest terror attack of Europe since the end of IIWW, enough for feeling proud of being born here and even sharing some kind of relationship with these SOB. It´s just that since I raised up never felt simpathy for this bastards and so I was educated by my family, but even so I can´t evite feeling ashamed in some way even being innocent and that´s the "honor" Eta brave soldiers gave to all basques. I´d like to listen the guilty of this action is Al Qaeda, but this means nothing, because I know here there are enough bastards able of this crime.

[Claymore]

Rest In Peace. :(





....And those coward terrorists.... You can run, but you'll only die tired.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Interesting post with good insight on this awful event Loco.

[tony6]

****...
I suppose the Warsaw is next...
RIP to the victims.

[Uncle Chô]

It is now confirmed : the explosive used is dynamite.

ETA got a huge stock of dynamite they have stolen in France (several tons from a mining company) some years ago. Much of this stock was sized by the Police last year but they are still supposed to have several hundreds.

Plus those ba**** placed 3 different bombs that were supposed to explose several minutes after the initial attack, in order to kill the rescuers (ie the Police).

This is something typical of the ETA so called "military" branch.

On the other hand, ETA used to warn the police a few minutes of a bomb attack, in order to avoid civilians casualties. This carnage might have been conducted by ultra(!) ETA dissidents.

We can still not rule out Al Quaida but there is no evidence yet.

The EU Parliament proposed today 3/11 as a Euro Ceremonial Day.

[Jack Mehoff]

RIP to the innocent dead and terrorist assholes can burn in hell

[Lobo]

I moved to Madrid last October. My cell phone didn't stop ringing this morning: Friends, relatives... Some sentences they said reminded me you people in this forum:
"It looked like that terrorist attack in Moscow subway".
"The commuter train looked like those bus in Israel".

:(

[Nondescript]

This just goes to show that terrorism is ever present, someting we need to combat everyday. We can never let blood-thirsty terrorists who will not hesitate to kill innocent people win.

This is a sad day, as someone said before "Today we are all citizens of Madrid"

RIP all the victims

[Kellhound]

186 dead and more than 900 wounded at last count. 17:30 local time.

[ShadowNeo]

Just a note of something (don't knoe if it has been posted yet).

ETA's political wing leader has denied any knowledge of this being an ETA attack (although whether this is credible can obviously not be assertained). I was under the impression that ETA have always tended to leave warnings or confirm their involvement one way or another?

ETA or not though, I hope whoever did this is caught, and eliminated - with extreme prejudice.

[marktigger]

was speaking to a French Genedarm who was on attachment to the RMP in UK last year he is normally based in their Basque country and had had 2 officers killed be ETA supporters just before he left. He didn't like ETA particularly but still ha respect for the ordinary decent Basques. But Terror groups in Europe are all very closley linked some of the Hallmarks are very similar to IRA tactics.

[California Joe]

Condolences to the families of the victims. Terrible thing.

[CannibalSquirel]

My condolences to all involved and to all of Spain.

Portugal está convosco "nuestros hermanos".

[Kellhound]

Nobody has made himself responsible still. It seems police was reviewing the videos from security cameras (i don't know if those stations had cameras or not).

Not aknowledging authory for many hours (or weeks in several instances) has been usual for ETA. And Otegui (main political supporter of ETA) denied ETA's responsability too vehemently.

GRAPO (another terrorist group, mostly extinct) has no infrastructure or resources for this.

Al-qaeda usually forwards the video claiming authory in advance, or never takes long to. No witness mentions arab-looking people.

Besides, with internet and advanced communications, all terrorist groups share info and tactics to certain extents, as has been proved several times. ETA was particularly close to IRA until peace talks began in Northern Ireland.

With only this data your guess is as good as mine.

[Mr. Nielsen]

On the other hand, ETA used to warn the police a few minutes of a bomb attack, in order to avoid civilians casualties. This carnage might have been conducted by ultra(!) ETA dissidents.

If it is ETA, or some fringe part of it, could a possible motive be to provoke harsher police crack downs?

Basicly an attempt to create animosity between the basque people and the rest of Spain.

The RAF in Germany hoped with their actions to turn the country into a police state.

[EYE SPY]

i think it is more likely an Al-Qaida financed attack, probably moroccans or whatever north african immigrants live in spain.

It seems out of ETA's character to openly attack civilians outside of their usuall attacks against the Guardia Civil.

This, along with Spain's support For the war in Iraq and Al-Qaidas impotence in attacking American Forces probably directed these goons into attacking one of America's more vulnerable allies.

RIP to the victims of these attacks. :(

Turkey faced this kind of **** back in November. But i dont remember anyone saying, We are all citizens of Istanbul.

[Kellhound]

Not the first time ETA kills innocents indiscriminatelly.
Maybe they want harsher actions agaisnt them to become (after so many years of trying) "martyrs for the cause".

Maybe they got the idea from last weeks terrorist threat in France aginst their railroad net.

[Pad75]

I feel deeply sorry for what happend in Madrid. My thought goes to Madrid and to the great Spanish people.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Turkey faced this kind of **** back in November. But i dont remember anyone saying, We are all citizens of Istanbul.

Fortunately there wasn't so many victims there.

By the way if it is numbers that matters, we should all be citizen's of Baghdad. That must be city most plagued by terror bombs at this point of time.

[Kellhound]

And luckyly they are not very good in their actions in late years.

Just think the same situation but inside the tunnels of the subway/tube/underground.
:(

[cold0]

A sad day for the spanish people.. :(

RIP

Any news about the MARINO's girlfriend?

This absurde massacre is the tombstone of the ETA's SOB!

[Bootneck]

RIP

My sincerest condolences to the victim's families and friends and to the Spanish people.

[Kellhound]

A question for engineers and demo experts:

judging by the images, how big were the bombs?
They were dynamite and/or ammonal , carried in a backpack or sports bag, one per car.

[RomanS]

RIP
STAY STRONG
We are with you SPAIN!

[Undo]

My sincere and heartfelt condolences. Nothing can salve the wound, but I hope the terrorists who did this are brought to justice quickly.

[IDFM203]

I hope these terrorists (not militants, freedom fighters, for no matter what the grievance is or how any person perceives their cause, when civilians are the only targets, they are terrorists) are brought to justice.

My heart goes out to the victims of these terrorists attacks (something which we unfortunately know all too well :( )

RIP


Shalom :(

[Herrmannek]

R.I.P

[gilgoul]

All my sadness and condoleances for the families of the victims, the victims and all of spain.
As for the mother f****ers responsible for this act of barbary, I just wish them and their supporters whoever they might be the worst freakin` ending. and if this comes from the basque, it`s a shame on Eustaki has a all, and the all should take responsibility and ban the rotten pieces of **** among them, or get the full and just wrath of the Sapniard people.

today, they became the fascist they pretended to fight, and to those mofos i say " NO PASARAN"

[MEGR]

This is prob an attack due to Spains help in Iraq. I hope Spain stays strong, and finds these scumbags. The US is happy to have good allies like Spain, and I hope it stays that way.

[Kellhound]

Unless it was Al-qaeda or islamic terrorist i doubt it, Devgru77
ETA didn't need that reason before.

[AFACadet]

I just found out a few minutes ago in class :(


I hate terrorists :bash:

[Kellhound]

Confirmed several foreign citizens among the victims.
Only country mentioned is Colombia.
Also several from eastern Europe, northern Africa and South America.

[RomanS]

No way its ETA !!!!!!

ETA doesnt care if Spain supports war in Iraq. Its muslim terrorists.
Dumb assholes keep wanting to vaporize more and more with every attack.

Kill them !!!

[Miles Teg]

Feel so sad for the victims.


About the quantity of explosives... Have seen some photos of a roberry made with explosives, the man used only a detonator stick to blown up a big safe which fly trough two office wall...
The detonators were stole in mining company.
You can blow a room with only a part of dynamite stick (few grams).

This make me realize how it's disgusting and incredible to do such actions like this !!
Without living it, it's impossible to imagine the chaos of explosions like this.
I hope to never live that. And i hope the cooperation between spain and france will go stronger against terrorist movements in the aera.

[wholagun]

Confirmed several foreign citizens among the victims.
Only country mentioned is Colombia.
Also several from eastern Europe, northern Africa and South America.

Polish press has reported one Polish national hurt and presently in serious condition. there may be more but thats all i know for now.

[fdt]

Turkey faced this kind of **** back in November. But i dont remember anyone saying, We are all citizens of Istanbul. In this manner we all were and still are the citizens of Istambul... I can say it now. I couldn't say this then here because I registered at 27th of January 2004.

[Kellhound]

UN "is sure" it was ETA.

US intelligence "is sure" no islamic terrorism involved.

[Luxembourger]

ETA used to kill politicians , intellecutals, police, military personnel .
why would they kill now only civilians ? They know if they do that is the end of their existence .

these terrorist attacks are in my view fingeprinted by the islamic terror
and if they found out that it was eta then they should eliminate eta and hunt them down .

[Lobo]

13 bombs
1.421 injured people
More than 170 identified corpses. Many more waiting for being identified.
Al Qaeda announced via Al Yazeera is not related with the bombs, and the Interior Affaris Minister informed that the explosives used were the usual one used by ETA

Madrid 19:34 local time

[Kellhound]

Luxembourger, ETA has always killed civilians, as "collateral damage" or directly (Hipercor Mall in Barcelona).

[cut]

the BBC is saying 190 dead and at least 1200 wounded now

less hope it stops going up, RIP

[Chasseur_Alpin]

there were no kamikazes, I don't think it's al qaida, more chance for ETA....

[RomanS]

I guess ETA wants to be gone really fast

[ReconNJ]

RIP. My deepest sympathies to all.



Watch Your Six!!!

[MAGNUM]

My condolecens to all Spanish people and all Spanish friends of the militaryphotos.net community.


RIP

[Marmot1]

Latest news:

DEAD: 190
Wounded 1247 (2 poles so far) :(

RIP :(

[Kellhound]

Confirmed around 100kg explosives among 13 packs (8 to 10 kg per pack). Dynamite base. Detonators still not recovered.

Found in a van arab Coran teaching tape, detonators and a pistol.
But no terrorist group is discarded as posible perpetrator.
ETA is still the main suspect (modus operandi, last attempts at railroad bombings and explosives used).

[Miles Teg]

Impressive the crowd shouting "Hiro de puta!"

[Lobo]

Madrid's conmutter trains are crowded in the mornings. They are used by working class people and inmigrant workers going from the surroundings to Madrid's downtown to work or study. The list of wounded people is full of foreign family names.

[RomanS]

Arabic-language tapes

Eat **** you islamic warrior assholes!

[German_American]

RIP for all those lost and injured in the dispicable act

[Kilgor]

"A van with detonators and an Arabic-language tape of Koranic verses were found near Madrid, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said Thursday, opening new lines of investigation into the train bombings. So far, the probe has focused on the Basque separatist terror group "

I felt slightly sick last night. Who's next ? :(
I feel its only a matter of time till my country is next. This is f*cked. There can be no sympthay for muslim extremists or we shall pay for it.

[Miles Teg]

These can be element to confuse investigation.
These can be element of islamist involvment.

Nobody know for the moment. Be patient.
Justice is better cold. We will see interesting movements of interventions forces around the pyrennees soon.

[RomanS]

When is it going to be time to rise UP against this scum.

Come on World grab your swords, and shields. Another Crusade !




-terrorism is a weapon of cowards, those who don't want to accept their defeat-

Spain I pray for you, and your people!

[Kilgor]

It does make sense though :(

many leader ETA officials were rounded up and sent to jail. They usually give some warnings and have never done something of this scale in the past. Spain was a major support of the US in their removal of saddam.

[usa320]

Id first and formeost like to express my sypmathies to those lost in this brutal assault on humanity, and secondly, id like to Second Spain's vow that those responsible will be punished. Severely.

[AFACadet]

Miles Teg is correct. It can be an indication of radical islamic terrorists or simply the ETA attempting to increase the amount of confusion and finger pointing.

My initial feeling is its the second case. The ETA was EXTREMELY quick to blame the radical islamics. Also, this was not a suicide bombing. I don't remember a single terrorist attack by radical islamics in the past couple of years who didn't do a suicide attack.



But, like others have said, we need to wait and see.


The Spanish govt was a big supporter of us over the last couple of years, so hopefully we can have the chance to repay them.

[Roldwin]

Today it's very difficult don't feel a victim of the fascism, the intolerance, the cruelty of the terrorists.

I'm from Barcelona, Spain, but today I'm a Madrid citizen, I'm another victim.

190 died, more than 1500 wounded, 42.7 million victims.

Descansen en paz, y consuelo para sus famílias.

RIP

[usa320]

just in from foxnews. Al Queda has claimed responsibilty.

[Javehn]

****ing El-Kaida bastard mothar****ers . I said it , it is global war against terror . Every countries unite !!! Unite , and don't live in the world of darkness and illusions you fate will be different . THIS IS THE WW3 . Just like that .
We will prevail over the rain of terror . If everybody would understand it . DOWN WITH TERROR .

[Uncle Chô]

just in from foxnews. Al Queda has claimed responsibilty.
...through a postcard sent to an Arabic newspaper in London.

That's what they say in El Mundo newspaper (as far I could read Spanish).

[Rantanplan]

RIP

[TheJedi]

just in from foxnews. Al Queda has claimed responsibilty.
...through a postcard sent to an Arabic newspaper in London.

That's what they say in El Mundo newspaper (as far I could read Spanish).

That's what all news channels say. Just checked a few web sites. Although some leave the word "postcard" out.

The name of the Arabic newspaper is "El Kuds el Arabi".

[Kellhound]

Al jazeera denying all morning Al-qaeda responsability.
An hour ago Al-qaeda claimed responsability through an islamist paper in London.
Van with detonators and Koranic tape found because a citizen tip.
Batasuna denied ETA implication too fast.


Still waiting for an answer.



Roldan, estas por ahi?

[Haiw]

RIP & condolences.


just in from foxnews. Al Queda has claimed responsibilty.
Al-Qaeda can claim whatever the **** they want...after 9/11 at least 5 organisations 'claimed' the attack.

[MARINO]

I still have any news from my Grilfriend :( , she is maybe in the hospitol i will search her in hospitals.
As a Spanish i still belive that is ETA, thanks, to all of you for your suppor
Spain NEVER FORGETS

ETA NO

[MARINO]

Islamic terrorist don't use to left bombs in trains and then dissapear, they are fanatics, they want that thei actions have a symbolic conotations, they are suicides.Is not Al-Qaeda

[MARINO]

http://www.libertaddigital.com/fotos/noticias/wlazonegro110304.jpg

[Kellhound]

I agree with MARINO.It's not your typical islamic terror attack.
At first it looked like even GRAPO could be responsible, but they don't have so much infrastructure left.




To those new to this topic, you can review my former rants.
University closed today, so i've been following development of this all day long.

[fdt]

I still have any news from my Grilfriend :( , she is maybe in the hospitol i will search her in hospitals.
As a Spanish i still belive that is ETA, thanks, to all of you for your suppor
Spain NEVER FORGETS

ETA NOWe all pray for Her and for You. Never loose the hope. NEVER!

[fdt]

9/11 and now 3/11

f*ckn eleven... :(

[MARINO]

http://medias.lemonde.fr/medias/image_article/04031201_madrid+mapl.jpg
Merci Le Mnde

[TheJedi]

Not to mention that, if you go forward or backward in the calendar 6 months each, you arrive at 9/11.

[Javehn]

Our nation is with People of Spain . Forensic delegation is organising this minute to help Spanish police .

[Uncle Chô]

This is a mail (or e-mail depending on the source) sent to the ******* Office in Dubaï.

This information is brought by "Al Qods Al Arabi" an Arabic newspaper in London.

They say the letter is signed by the "Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades" that gives details about the "Death Trains Operation". "We came deep to the heart of the Infidel Europe to strike one of the base of the Infidels Alliance member" (rough translation)

Still confusing but this group is the one who claimed the 2 attacks in Istanbul and the UN HQ blast in Baghdad last summer.

Investigations are under way to authentify the letter.

Since I do not have TV, this is a source from various European News agencies through the Internet.

[Herrmannek]

Not to mention that, if you go forward or backward in the calendar 6 months each, you arrive at 9/11.
Stop that Nostradamus bull****...Until noone have strong proof for this theory consider this as a clear coincidence...Every "numberlogists" can do such tricks with every two numbers, dates or watherver you give to them...

[fdt]

Four Polish citizens wounded in the attack. 2 men, woman and a 7 month baby who is in critical condition.

Prayer for children.

In the letter to London based "Al-Kuds Al-Arabi" newspaper the Abu Hafsa al-Masri claims the responsibility for the attack which was to be called "Death Trains" operation aimed at Spain as one of the "strongholds of the western crusaders".

[citizen-k]

Islamic terrorist don't use to left bombs in trains and then dissapear, they are fanatics, they want that thei actions have a symbolic conotations, they are suicides.Is not Al-Qaeda

Not correct.

The only reason they started to commit suicide in Israel is because leaving a bag is usless. (it will be detonated by the police 30 seconds after its left)

At first they only laid bags and escaped... after 10 years of explosions, they will start commit suicide attacks in Spain also - so do your best to stop them while you can.

I hope you'll find your girlfriend - nothing is worse then the unknown in those situations.

Also, I would like to mention the Israeli expedition which is on its way to Spain is order to help recognize the victims and assist the wounded - its a painful pride to have these expertises. :(

[usa320]

I dont know.

The Arab paper says Al Queda is responsible, now the van with detanators and Koranic writings.

Points to Islamic terrorists, and they have a reason as well.

Also Al Queda is known for not immediately taking responsibilty.

This attack could also very well have been ETA, but are tehy actually capable of carry out complex operations? I was always under the impression that they did more truck bombings and suicide bombs against soft targets.

[fdt]

Not to mention that, if you go forward or backward in the calendar 6 months each, you arrive at 9/11.
Stop that Nostradamus bull****...Until noone have strong proof for this theory consider this as a clear coincidence...Every "numberlogists" can do such tricks with every two numbers, dates or watherver you give to them...Well You may call it a Nostradamus babbling, but for those murderous f*ckers such a sick symbols are important... unfortunately.

[MARINO]

This attack could also very well have been ETA, but are tehy actually capable of carry out complex operations? I was always under the impression that they did more truck bombings and suicide bombs against soft targets.
ETA members are not suicides

[Herrmannek]

Not to mention that, if you go forward or backward in the calendar 6 months each, you arrive at 9/11.
Stop that Nostradamus bull****...Until noone have strong proof for this theory consider this as a clear coincidence...Every "numberlogists" can do such tricks with every two numbers, dates or watherver you give to them...Well You may call it a Nostradamus babbling, but for those murderous f*ckers such a sick symbols are important... unfortunately.
Only thing I want to say is: conecting two numbers in that manner is old and often abused trick, and can be done with virtualy any date or number...So until guys who did it say clearly that date was chosen on purpose, such specualtion are **** worth...

[Uncle Chô]

I dont know.
Your are right. Nobody knows yet - except the persons who are behind that blood bath.

I figure I 've better have some sleep (10:30pm in Europe) if I can find any :(

Marino, I hope the best for your girlfriend.

[Shake n Bake]

R.I.P. to the spaniards who fell today.



could one of the Spanish members here please post a link to your local newspaper site..

[M1A2U2]

Another attack on a NATO country. The charter now goes into effect again

[radon]

:( rip.

Again one bombing like this. Sadly these bombings are a trend in these times.

[MARINO]

www.abc.es
www.elmundo.es
http://www.abc.es/abc/laterales/otro_contenido/iconos_para_destacados_home_abajo/LazoNegro1.gif
I belive that this clues who conduct to Al-Qaeda are from ETA, to make us belive that.

[Steve Railsback]

I just read some where that it is 911 days since the attack on the U.S. to day

RIP

[fdt]

Not to mention that, if you go forward or backward in the calendar 6 months each, you arrive at 9/11.
Stop that Nostradamus bull****...Until noone have strong proof for this theory consider this as a clear coincidence...Every "numberlogists" can do such tricks with every two numbers, dates or watherver you give to them...Well You may call it a Nostradamus babbling, but for those murderous f*ckers such a sick symbols are important... unfortunately.
Only thing I want to say is: conecting two numbers in that manner is old and often abused trick, and can be done with virtualy any date or number...So until guys who did it say clearly that date was chosen on purpose, such specualtion are **** worth...I think that You may not have a chance to interview them, and to ask'em this question. This coincidence or not will be used tomorrow by every second newspaper in their headlines. You are right it's a speculation on our side, but You must admit that knowing the modus operandi and the terrorist mentality this can not be excluded as a "**** worth" and baseless. If some sick s*ithead wants to kill hundreds of people in the name of some sick ideology he usually cares a lot about the "symbolic environment" of the crime, he usually means something and wants to communicate that to all world. Ask Yourself what is the first connotation that comes to the mind of the news people in the World, and You get the answer if the the attack date COULD (not was, because we may never know that for sure) be a matter of those f*ckers choice. It's a common thing in world counter-terrorism practice that sometimes even without a direct warning, in some "special" dates (depending of the context) the AT and security forces are put in the state of high alert.... just in case, not for the numerological reasons.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

I just wanted to give my condelences to our Spanish friends who have suffered greatly at this time. I hope that the Coalition will track down these Islamic assholes and punish them quickly and fiercly where ever they may be found.

[Kellhound]

Still not known if they were islamist or ETA.
They both have many points in thir favor.

Last news is "a british intelligence source" said islamic claims to be bogus.

[Herrmannek]

I think that You may not have a chance to interview them, and to ask'em this question. This coincidence or not will be used tomorrow by every second newspaper in their headlines. You are right it's a speculation on our side, but You must admit that knowing the modus operandi and the terrorist mentality this can not be excluded as a "**** worth" and baseless. If some sick s*ithead wants to kill hundreds of people in the name of some sick ideology he usually cares a lot about the "symbolic environment" of the crime, he usually means something and wants to communicate that to all world. Ask Yourself what is the first connotation that comes to the mind of the news people in the World, and You get the answer if the the attack date COULD (not was, because we may never know that for sure) be a matter of those f*ckers choice. It's a common thing in world counter-terrorism practice that sometimes even without a direct warning, in some "special" dates (depending of the context) the AT and security forces are put in the state of high alert.... just in case, not for the numerological reasons.

I agre with you. But I don't like to search "what author waned to say", if he wanted to say something he should and probably made more clear signs of his message... We should hold our hourses and wait for more precise data on that matter....

@ MARINO

I belive that this clues who conduct to Al-Qaeda are from ETA, to make us belive that.
Why it doesn't make sense...People who like to kill inocents like to praise their evil acts...

[martinexsquaddie]

RIP the people in spain :(
if its are bearded friends we know why they did they want to kill everyone who's not part of the twisted version of a religion.
But eta supposedly part of western civillisation to sit down and plan to kill as many people as possible words fail me
whoever did this deserves swift retribution

[anonymous individual]

Rest in Peace :(

[Kellhound]

Let's recall some facts:

Half an hour after bomb, Basque government critizes ETA for trying to divide basques.
Then ETA's political arm denied responsability.

Interior minister says he has no doubt it was ETA.
At evening is found a van with detonators and a comercially available koranic teaching tape. A pistol was mentioned at first too, but not anymore.
Then, interior minister says they don't ignore any posible thread of investigation.

Almost 12 hours after the bombings!!! this small group under al-Qaeda claims responsability by email (maybe they sent it from a veeeery slow computer).
A while ago some British official say islamic claim to be probably false.




So maybe, when i woke up tomorrow and get to the base, we'll know who did it (I hope).



http://www.abc.es/abc/laterales/otro_contenido/iconos_para_destacados_home_abajo/LazoNegro1.gif

[Marmot1]

Latest News:

192 dead
1421 wounded... (4 poles in that one 7months old childeren in critical condition)

RIP

[Sayeret]

My condolences to the innocent civilians who were murdered in this attack.

I heard recently on the news that this attack might of been done by both the ETA and Al Qaeda. These terrorists are showing nothing but how cowardly they really are.

[Sixgun Symphony]

I hope that Spain has the death penalty for such criminals. Jail is too good for such scum.

[RomanS]

if you Spanish brothers catch them alive, and they happen to be muslim terrorists. Please feed them pork, and burry them in pig skin. They don't deserve their heaven!!!

[wholagun]

van found with islamic tapes that almost confirm who was behind the cause. have a read: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4502950/

they ask who will defend spain from terror US, Britiain, France etc etc. so its pretty much an islamic terrorist orgnization. Bastards :bash:

[wholagun]

I hope that Spain has the death penalty for such criminals. Jail is too good for such scum.

no EU country has the death penalty.

[RomanS]

How many more bodies we have to see, before the whole world wakes up?

[anonymous individual]

How many more bodies we have to see, before the whole world wakes up?

i think it would take a very "blood-made" coffee in order to get them wakey wakey. :(

[BlackRain]

Just a side note:

Who feels confident the Greeks will be able to prevent a terrorist attack during the upcoming Summer Olympic Games in Athens in light of the recent Spanish bombing?



Greece has said it might seek NATO help with security, but has made no official demand. Yesterday, a NATO official in Brussels was quoted by ******* agency as saying no such request is expected before the polls. «[Greece] is a difficult country to seal off... and in a post 9/11 world this is an enormous security challenge,» the official said. «The Greek forces are stretched to the limit.»

[RomanS]

I think to solve the Athens Olympic Games security issues, I believe each country that participates should bring their counter-terrorism teams.

Make it a GLOBAL UNION Protection.

Would be awesome to see American Delta next to Russian Alfa German GSG9 Polish GROM etc etc etc guarding our Olympians.

[Luxembourger]

How many more bodies we have to see, before the whole world wakes up?

The world will never wake up especially in Europe ......many have forgotten here 9/11 ...the high prosperitiy and wealth in Europe blinds people here from the great danger coming from the islamic terror. We think that it happens only abroad or to the Americans.....we forget very quickly in Europe .......we have some political groups who think that everything will settle down once the US is no more superpower,,,,then islamic terror will vanish......

[Catch22]

I just got back home... f***in hell...

My condolences :|

[Miles Teg]

My initial feeling is its the second case. The ETA was EXTREMELY quick to blame the radical islamics. Also, this was not a suicide bombing. I don't remember a single terrorist attack by radical islamics in the past couple of years who didn't do a suicide attack.

Our last bombing made by the GIA were gaz bottle left in trashcan, or other bombs left in place. Place de l'étoile, Station St Michel.

If you connect to Israll human bombing, this is a necessity explain by the high security level of israelian police.
In spain suicide attack was not a necessity.

But for the moment I still have no advice about ETA or Islamic way.
Try keep clam, professional respons will be the best. Crowd movement will be the worst.


And for the greece security during Olympic, cooperation between french raid and greek forces have already seen in the photos forum.

And like illustrate Le monde's picture, your better response will be by the democratic way. Go vote !

[Kilgor]

That religion [Islam], which above all others was founded and propagated by the sword – the tenets and principles of which are ... incentives to slaughter and which in three continents had produced fighting breeds of men – simulates a wild and merciless fanaticism.

- Winston churchill

[wormie]

Im really sorry MARINO, I hope you find her and shes ok. :(

[Miles Teg]

That religion [Islam], which above all others was founded and propagated by the sword – the tenets and principles of which are ... incentives to slaughter and which in three continents had produced fighting breeds of men – simulates a wild and merciless fanaticism.

- Winston churchill

It's exactly I said about to keep calm and be professional.
Make in hot a remark on a religion having certainly no relation with the Slaugther of Madrid.

This quote of Churchill don't have to be here.

[BR]

:(

Mi condolencias al pueblo español . . .

It is a sad day . . .

[Kilgor]

Winston was right about the nazis, and he was right about stalinist russia.

He just might be right on this one. Yes its a valid quote.

[Miles Teg]

But for the moment I can't see the relation between muslim religion and the last news.

[Kilgor]

But for the moment I can't see the relation between muslim religion and the last news.

The relationship is... there is a global increase in Islamic terrorism. And this blast MAY be more Islamic terrorism. Now its a valid quote is it ?

[Miles Teg]

Churchill quote talk about muslim religion.
First this is a bad thing to make generalization betwteen religion and terrorists (hopefully all the muslim in my country are not terrorist).
Second, you put early conclusion about muslim terrorism involvement in Madrid.

[Haiw]

Winston was right about the nazis, and he was right about stalinist russia.

He just might be right on this one. Yes its a valid quote.
Churchill 'predicted' most things because he simply rang the bell on pretty much everything. If you make these kind of predictions all the time on everything, a few are bound to become true.

[Miles Teg]

And in next posts I will probably see that french are pussy and want more prove there is a need to fight against terrorism. :|

I don't want to make blind strike against probably innocent community or anything else. Use brain before action.

[Kilgor]

No.. i wouldnt say that.

It would be disrespectful in the meaning of this thread.

[Miles Teg]

I prefer to take prehemptive caution.

And in my adivce, put anti-muslim quote here is misplaced.
Despite all the respect I have for Churchill, the first big real man to fight against Hitler.

[Kilgor]

I prefer to take prehemptive caution.

And in my adivce, put anti-muslim quote here is misplaced.
Despite all the respect I have for Churchill, the first big real man to fight against Hitler.

Thats what im getting at , he warned about Hitler when everyone was talking of appeasement. He was also speaking out about the Iron curtain and post war stalinist russia.

[Miles Teg]

Churchill 'predicted' most things because he simply rang the bell on pretty much everything. If you make these kind of predictions all the time on everything, a few are bound to become true.

[pipaz]

My condolences from Lithuania :(

Užuojauta nuo Lietuviu :(

[usa320]

Whoever is responsible needs to pay severely.

Also, in regards to the Greece Games, i think that every country should have a security detail attached to its athletes and a joint counter terrorism team ought to be formed. Also US and UK ships should be palced off the coast as a show of force.

[Seraphim]

Van with Arabic tape found;
credit claimed in al-Qaida’s name

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4502950/

[Trigger]

My deepest condolences to the Spaniards.
Vaya con Dios.

Marino, I'm praying for you bud.
Don't give up hope.

[cold0]

The Europe must wake up; it's no matter if we must fight Bin-laden and his cronies or ETA.

WE MUST FIGHT ALL FORM OF TERRORISM, AND WE MUST FIGHT NOW AND STOP TO BLAME AGAINST USA FOR THE IRAQ INVASION OR AGAINST RUSSIA FOR CHECENYA.

WE HAVE ALL A COMMON ENEMY!

Anyway, any news of MARINO's girlfriend?

[MARINO]

Uffffff!!!!!!! MY GIRL FRIEN IS OK, she wasn't arrived when the bomb exploded.It's still a sad day. Today we have a demonstration against terrorism.

[citizen-k]

Uffffff!!!!!!! MY GIRL FRIEN IS OK, she wasn't arrived when the bomb exploded.It's still a sad day. Today we have a demonstration against terrorism.
:hug: I am really happy to hear that.

[stuntman]

Uffffff!!!!!!! MY GIRL FRIEN IS OK, she wasn't arrived when the bomb exploded.It's still a sad day. Today we have a demonstration against terrorism.
Mucho Suelto! Amen...

[cold0]

Happy for you! MARINO woot

[Rilence]

my condolences to the familys and victums thos terror bastard asswipes betcha thier going to target the olympics like persmkii said we should have CT teams thier very tight security im i get the feeling thiers somthing going to happen down there.......hey marino im glad to hear your girl friend is ok woot ............hate terrorists :bash: :fork:

[Trident-za]

RIP to all the victims :(

[Schwabo Elite]

I wasn't here yesterday, soory for my late condolences.
I wish that the bombers are to be found soon and hope none of you have sustained persoanl casualities. Keep on Spain! No matter if it was "Euskadi Ta Askatasuna" or "Al Qaida".

SE

[intelligenzija]

Rest in Peace ...

[Kellhound]

Still no news on authors of massacre.

But politicians, even after saying they won't use the tragedy in their propaganda for sunday elections, keep hammering at it.

Left wing says (wishes?) it was Al-Qaeda, while right wing says (wishes?) for ETA.

[fred_engles]

Uffffff!!!!!!! MY GIRL FRIEN IS OK, she wasn't arrived when the bomb exploded.It's still a sad day. Today we have a demonstration against terrorism.It made my day a lot better to hear that, MARINO. Wonderful news.

[MARINO]

Thanks for you support, for supporting me and Spain

[Stalky-Italy]

as a tribute to our spanish brothers in italy every flag is down as in november when 19 italians died in Nassirya.

This is the base where I work...

http://www.rebirth.it/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=445149

RIP

Unite we fight

[Kellhound]

7 months old girl just died in hospital.

Demonstrations all around the country are being prepared.

Rumor is one bomb was recovered unexploded among the wreckage.


This morning at least one "joker" made a bomb-in-train threat. Hope Guardia Civil catches him so he learns a little education.

[Kellhound]

Last news:

unexploded bomb had mobile-phone controlled detonator.

Detonators found in the van with koranic tape were never before used by ETA.

[Miles Teg]

The Europe must wake up; it's no matter if we must fight Bin-laden and his cronies or ETA.

WE MUST FIGHT ALL FORM OF TERRORISM, AND WE MUST FIGHT NOW AND STOP TO BLAME AGAINST USA FOR THE IRAQ INVASION OR AGAINST RUSSIA FOR CHECENYA.

WE HAVE ALL A COMMON ENEMY!

Agree!

This is the only thing which matter for the moment.
And believe me the support from France is sincere. The hunt against terrorist in France was already very consequent (but not enough it seems), ETA in head, and will take importance. Like the cooperation with spanish forces.

[Kellhound]

More contradictory data:

Detonators seem to have ben built in Spain but never used by ETA before.

BUT explosive in the unexploded bomb was GOMA-2, used by ETA many times in the past.

BUT ETA states through newspaper GARA they didn't put the bombs.

BUT they denied too the Hypercor mall bombing (32 dead).

[Sixgun Symphony]

7 months old girl just died in hospital.



:( Man that sucks.

[PAK]

7 months old girl just died in hospital.

Demonstrations all around the country are being prepared.

Rumor is one bomb was recovered unexploded among the wreckage.


This morning at least one "joker" made a bomb-in-train threat. Hope Guardia Civil catches him so he learns a little education.

This morning at least one "joker" made a bomb-in-train threat. Hope Guardia Civil catches him so he learns a little education.[/quote]
If I'm well informed, child was of polish nationality. She was third Pole killed in the carnage.
President of Poland Aleksander Kwasniewski declared National Mourning on friday and on saturday in gesture of solidarity with Spain and Spaniards. Flags before national institutions were lowered at half-mast.
Few hundred people gathered around spanish embassy in Warsaw in silent demonstration, laying flowers and candles at the gate of embassy.
My personal thoughts are simple - my deepest condolences for victims, their famillies and all Spaniards. Once again murderes want to show their strenght by killing and maiming innocent people. And now they see and hear answer - millions of people in demonstrations around the Spain. I'm watching them now on Euronews. I'm in Warsaw, in my flat, but I'm with YOU, spanish friends.
In previous years there were anti-ETA demonstrations in Spain, under the slogan of "BASTA YA". I hope, that this year that slogan will be finally realized and ETA will be finished off. You have GEO, you have UEI, they will know WHAT to do.
And imho it is sure, that ETA is responsible. That Quran found in van, letter to Al-Hayat, now official denial form ETA itself - all of this is a mere smokescreen. They did thing so horrible, that they have no courage to admit its responsability.

[Herrmannek]

Her father and two other female Poles also died from sustained damage in hospitals...

[RomanS]

RIP

[Ralf174978]

A tribute to the victims of Madrid by the spectators of Celtic Glasgow:

http://www.servecast.com/asx/celtic/mail/ynwa.asx