camouflage

[Ryan94]

Hi,

i found a Navy Seals picture, and my question is what camouflage the boonie hat is?
http://militaryphoto.com/sealbeach/4253seal.jpg

Cu, Dave

[front]

Share the URLs! :-)

The photo came from this site:

http://militaryphoto.com/SEALs.htm

cheers

front

[Chops]

It's very old school Tiger Stripe. SEALs, MACV SOG, LRRPs, LLDB and a few SASR used it in RVN. It's a commercial product these days.

Rgds

Chops

[Apogee]

What does everyone think about the new digital camo that is coming out. In particular, do you think it is more/less effective than standard camo? Also what about standardization of camo accross the services? From what i hear, the Marines have copywritten their new camo pattern. I think that different camo's between US forces leads to a greater risk of blue-on-blue incidents. Just like to hear people's opinion on this one. If you don't know what I'm talking about, there are some pictures on the site of the Canadian Digital Camo.

[Ryan94]

I Think the new digital camo is very good, it looks like the german flecktarn... And the digital camo bdu´s breaks up the line better that the normal woodland...

cu

[DownTown1]

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/photos/03.01.10_DGmodern/images/Digicamo.jpg

[Ryan94]

http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/westgerman4.jpg http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/usa8.jpg

that´s flecktarn and marpat digital camo in comparison ... woot

[fokket]

it seems like many people are thinking that
MARPAT is the pioneer of digital camo.

well.. I just want to point out that Canadian boyz were the first and
they helped development of MARPAT.

[MolliG]

MARPAT seems too brown to me...but I haven't seen it in action so I can't really comment.
I've seen the desert stuff on TV (report about US Marines operating in the Horn of Africa) but the 3 colour camo to my eye seems better because its more 'plain' not so many colours; the 3 colour looks more 'deserty' while the desert MARPAT looks more 'rocky'.

:)

[Minjin]

I don't know about the American stuff, but the CADPAT is pretty cool. I saw a comparison of a guy standing in the bush with the old Canadian gear, and with the new, and the CADPAT made him disappear pretty effectively.

[...]

I really think most blue on blue happens with weapons systems that are so far away that the kind of cammies the soldiers are wearing is irrelevent. By the way every recruit and officer canidate is issued three sets of green and two sets of desert Marpat now. It is copywrited, there are little eagle, globe, and anchors all over the pattern.
Personally, they are the best cammies I have ever worn. They never need to be ironed. They have internal pockets at the elbows and knees for pads. Slanted pockets for easier access. Pockets on the shoulder. Strech cargo pockets so you do not have to unbutton them. Lastly, they handled 12 weeks of OCS without a tear or missing button.
I don't know if anyone else saw it but I read an article in the Marine Corps Times about the army looking at new patterns, they showed about six differnt ones, anybody seen anything about it on the web?


whats with the vote? yes or yes?

[BMF]

i'd have to agree with the original post: standardizing uniforms should definetly be done, at least as far as camo pattern. Having different patterened uniforms increases the chances of friendly fire

[Ratamacue]

CADPAT and MARPAT are by far the most effective camos out there. As for the Marines copyrighting MARPAT, they're trying, but I don't believe they've been successful yet.

Chubbs: the brown is partially what makes MARPAT so effective. The "coyote brown" color as they call it captures ambient light from the surrounding environment to appear lighter/darker when necessary.

I believe it should be standardized between all the Armed Forces. The Marines want to look unique...I think the new boots should do the trick, not to mention their garrison caps. All the Armed Forces should be able to benefit from it.

[96B]

I think the digital look should be standardized among all US armed forces but I think that the Army should use the same digital look but have a slightly differant pattern, aside from the hats and boots I like being able to tell them apart easilier.

[Sir Nob]

Up close the MARPAT is ugly as sin, but from a few feet away you can't distinguish the digital pixles. As far as camo goes it is more effective than the woodland pattern. Like Ratamacue said, the coyote brown being the key, believe it or not, the brown seems to absorb the colors around it. For example in say a jungle environment it actually appears greener than it is, in an earthtone wooded environment it appears browner. Dont know how, but trust me, also dont know if this will hold up as the material fades due to washing. Military camo is usually based on the negative space idea, the area behind and around trees and foliage, thats why we dont wear the Realtree pattern so popular with hunters (id rather have a tree between me and the enemy than be standing in front of it).
As far as friendly fire incidents increasing, I doubt it .They usually involve high tec weapons and aircraft not troop on troop, besides isnt the whole point of camo not to be seen by other troops even if they are friendly, and we can still distinguish by weapons and personal kit.
Armytimes.com has some info on the Armys new ideas, one looks like MARPAT/CADPAT, another looks like British DPM and another like a jigsaw puzzle my 8 year old neighbour did.

[Merik]

Whatever gets the job done is my opinon.

[Breacher]

....First things first...

1) If it works, Who cares what it looks like. There's one main reason we even wear cammies, and even if it makes you sick to your stomach each time you look at it would you take it off just because it doesn't fit your 'Fashion Sense'??????
2)The Marine Corps HAS copywritten the pattern. That's why it is unique to Marines and Only Marines.
3)When standing in front of a Plt, some of my Marines had digital , but most had the standard. The digital pattern screws with your eyes and even though a couple were only in the 2nd Sqd, they did actually blend in with the surrounding uniforms 100x's better.

[GearGod]

Check out how much better MARPAT desert camoflauge compares to other camoflauge.. Scroll down to "DESERT CAMOUFLAGE TEST" username/password is is both "mm":

http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/misc.html

Looks like the USMC is also comming out with MARPAT Gear:

http://www.gear-guru.net/paraclete.html

[Matt]

ok first of all i hate the new **** it is pretty gay looking the old stuff was the **** it looked so cool with the green camo vests and well ......... im going to miss it :cry:

[Nelson]

BOB,

As it has already been stated the new, "gay" digital camoflauge is way better than the old design. Not only is it more effective but it made many other changes that were recommended by the troops, for the troops. Such as, pockets in the elbows and knees for pads or foam padding. Also, the lower front pockets have been moved to the sleeves and the upper pockets slanted. Plus I think that camo looks very cool anyways.

[GazB]

"it seems like many people are thinking that
MARPAT is the pioneer of digital camo.

well.. I just want to point out that Canadian boyz were the first and
they helped development of MARPAT."


Spetsnaz went into Afghanistan in 1979 with digital camo on their one piece suits.
Hardly new at all.

[GearGod]

I kinda agree with BOB that it doesnt look good. But for me(as an airsofter) I woudlnt wear the digital camoflauge unless US Army and their Airborne Infantry/SF Units started wearing it. But I've gotta admit the camoflauge patterns(especially desert) were pretty impressive. Did you guys check out the links I posted above? Heres one of them-Can you spot the digital camo?

Username/Password is both "mm" http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/img/camcomp4.jpg

[BMF]

the latest issue of "army times" had an article about this topic. the army is in the process of testing out a dozen or so new patterns, for woodland, urban, and desert use. the marine digital pattern is NOT being tested, because of military regulations concerning using another services uniform. the testing phase for the new BDU's should be completed in autumn.

[Matt]

no nelson im afarid it does look totaly gay not intimadating at all and the old stuff was so sweet thsi stuff is gay Gay GAY damn and i wanted to join the marines

[BMF]

bob, the idea of camoflage is concealment, not looking "cool". that "gay" camo could well save lives

[David]

you're not going to join the marines because of their camo? you're a pussy, like the marines would take a little girl like you anyway.

[Apogee]

I sure as hell hope he doesn't join the Army, b/c we def. don't need people like that. On the other hand though, its always good to have a bullet sponge.

[Nelson]

BOB,

Are you gay? Just wondering because you seem to like the word. Your kind of like my younger sister, always calling everything gay. Of course she is only 14. Unless your 14 or younger I would expect a little more maturity.

[Matt]

LMAO i am 14

[Matt]

welll and i realy wanted to join the marinesbut when i think about it the changes are to much to bare by the time im old enuff they will have all that new **** i always like todays warfare butwith that land warior **** and trhey black suit thing with spandex i dought soldiers want to were spandex into combat and im canadain so i couldnt make a career out of it

[Matt]

and another thing what would u prefer me call it homo******, ass ramming camo, or fudge packing what do u like best it just doesnt look cool intimadateding or anything its to GAY or whatever u like to call it :backhand: usma scuba what is it u do on the battle field like serch or under water mines or some ****

[GearGod]

"the army is in the process of testing out a dozen or so new patterns, for woodland, urban, and desert use"

Check these out: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bdu.htm and http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/warrior_96_may_camo.htm

"the marine digital pattern is NOT being tested, because of military regulations concerning using another services uniform"

What? Thats not right. First of all, its not like the Marines' MARPAT camoflauge pattern is their exclusive "CLASS A" uniform u know the uniform they wear for formal events? Second, I thought the marines put their logos on their BDUs was to signify that THEY have created the design JUST like their MOLLE systems which the Army I THINK is also using

"no nelson im afarid it does look totaly gay"

Yes I agree it isnt as pretty as the good ol' WOODLAND Battle Dress Uniform but if it PERFORMS and WORKS better than the Woodland AND the United States Army's Infantry and Special Forces starts using it, its cool with me and I'd figure out ways to get a hold of that stuff- Because the woodland pattern would be obsolete. Just like how the 6-colour desert uniform is obsolete to the new 3-Colour desert uniform

"not intimadating at all"

Purpose is CAMOFLAUGE-NOT intimidation

"and i wanted to join the marines"

LOL Thats pretty funny how a camofluage pattern would deter you from joining the US Military. Dont worry. You have 1 of 2 options. Join the US Army while they're still using it. Start an airsoft team and use the old woodland camoflauge

"that "gay" camo could well save lives"

I agree. Check out the comparison- Username/Password is both "mm" http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/img/camcomp4.jpg

"you're a pussy, like the marines would take a little girl like you anyway"

Whats with the attitude?

"we def. don't need people like that. On the other hand though, its always good to have a bullet sponge"

Again, whats with the attitude? Look at the way I handled the situation. No hostility. No namecalling. No indecency. You dont need people like what? That prefers woodland camofluage? Very humorous

"Are you gay? Just wondering because you seem to like the word"

What can I say gentlemen? The new profane word "g*y" has found its new meaning. Its the new word that disregards the homo******ity factor and its true and alternate meanings

"the changes are to much to bare by the time im old enuff they will have all that new **** i always like todays warfare butwith that land warior **** and trhey black suit thing with spandex i dought soldiers want to were spandex into combat and im canadain so i couldnt make a career out of it"

LMAO First of all its not like your a veteran marine that has been using marines gear and weapons and have found your comfort zone and dont want to change. Imagine a WWII marine saying Im not going to join the marines becuase they have all these advanced systems like night vision and GPS etc. A modern person would say to the WWII guy "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! MODERN STUFF KICKS @$$!!!!!!!!" And I believe the soldier of 2010 perhaps would say the same thing to you


*****UPDATE***** If you join Army Special Forces http://globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/a-team.htm you can wear whatever you want

[Sir Nob]

Actually Adam the Marine Corps has actually copyrighted the MARPAT design, it has little Eagle Globe and Anchors all over it. So the Army could use their own similar pattern but not the exact same one.

[GazB]

"the Marine Corps has actually copyrighted the MARPAT design"


Hehehehe... I can see it now. The Judge at the war crimes tribunal reading through the list of despicible crimes.... "Killing Nuns, Raping Women and murdering children, copying our camouflage design...." hehehehe

Of perhaps they ahve really thought about this and it is really a trap.

Maybe the stuff doesn't work, in fact it makes you stand out on Thermal imaging sights, and the only reason they put a copyright on it is because they know the Chinese will make millions of them and sell them on the black market to all the bad guys...

...or maybe they are just gay... have you guys heard about them talking about their Land Warrior Ensemble?... It started with them asking lawyers how to fight their battles, maybe it ends with gay men dressing them up pretty?

(Note I am of course joking... and I haven't been 14 for quite some time now... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Apogee]

As usual, Adam offers his wonderfun insight to the question at hand. And my attitude? I'm just saying that I wouldn't want guys in my platoon like that, thats all. The people at Globar Security do a good job, especially with technical data, but I wouldn't take everything they say as the Word of God, if ya know what I mean.

[David]

why do canadians want to join the u.s. military? why don't they join their own damn military?
and adam, i know you spend a lot of time making overly organized posts but it still doesn't distract from the fact that you're a little airsoft playin military poser and nobody really cares what you say, so i'll have attitude whenever i want, and if an actual marine had seen what bob said they wouldn't have been as nice as me.

[FallenAngel]

well David...Canada isn't exactly a country that spends much on it's military. In fact, I think they are continually downsizing it. (National Health care costs a lot :) ) So...some Canadians want to go into a military that is more well funded/appreciated. They also live really close to the US for the most part and traveling across the border isn't exactly hard or a major pain. Some even have family and friends and jobs in the US...so they almost think of themselves as duel-citizens if you will. Thats why they dont join thier own "damn" military in droves. Although they are very professional and determined troops from all I have heard. :)

As for Adam....I actually agree with him...if you took the time to read his post. Maybe you don't like it because it shows he's the bigger man and you're an idiot and asshole by saying "nobody really cares what you say, so i'll have attitude whenever i want" :fork:

and I don't think him playing airsoft has anything to do with you being an idiot. :bash:

HOWEVER....I *DO* agree bob is an even bigger idiot than you are :backhand:

[Breacher]

USMA_SCUBA.....damn, see what kind of hate and discontent this harmless lil' POLL caused? J/K....Actually after reading some of the responses (some good, alot to stupid to even finish reading) I see many opinions from....well dare i say Knowledge-less morons whom some of which would never have the balls to stay in for 20 much less get out after 4 yrs with an Honorable Discharge. As for some lil **** who doesn't want to be a US MARINE due to the fact that he doesn't like the way the cammies look... Who the hell needs 'em. Those are the one's who more times than not will be the ones who go UA or cry home to mom saying they want to come home beacuse it's too much for them to handle.
The thing about the'DIGITAL CAMMIES' is that they're designed to help the wearer perform better ....If your uniform helps to conceal you better than the poor bastard trying to pick you off with an AK at 300 yards, that's one more penny in your pocket............................................................................................................ So to all of you who want to bash the 'DIGITAL CAMMIES' here's something for you.....COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS BETTER..........Then stand on the the top of the mountain and tell the world you're the smartest person in the world.

But until you convince my Marine Corps of the same, believe you me......your opinion is nothing more than a grain of sand underneath my boot as I drive on to war while wearing my "ugly-as-sin, make-you-want-to-vomit, Gay" Digital Cammies.
Semper Fi All

[FAST*MARINE*]

I'm sorry felluz, I know if you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say anything at all. But I have to say, I would wear pink cammies, if i thought it would help to keep my heart pumping.

Besides, I wear what I'm told to wear, this isn't a fashion show, and I'm not trying to impress, some airsoft, wanna-b, loser, who runs around with a $300. fake m4, trying to act like a true warrior he drools over in a picture.

The airsoft comment was aimed at you 20+ yr olds, that do that stupid ****! Sac up and join the real ****, or just get a life. Some of you people are not in touch with reality.

[David]

i'm sorry fallenangel i didn't realize you cared so much about adam. maybe some day after my military service i'll be as devoted to airsoft as adam is and then i'll be as big a man as he.

[Apogee]

Amen Breacher and Fast*Marine, Amen....

[Matt]

thic new **** may be more effective (i couldnt see the differance in the 2 in those tests) but theold **** was better and th amrines are the only ones changeing I HOPE THEY CHANGE BACK if they do then i will join the corp

[Ratamacue]

Old **** was better? Couldn't see the difference in the tests?

I don't think you'll ever be able to join the Marine Corps. I don't believe the US Military allows blind people to join...it's generally not beneficial in combat.

[Breacher]

Bob,
..........Are you a complete and udder ****ing moron?!?!?!! First, you don't rate to enlist in my glorius Marine Corps for the simple fact you seem to be a loud-mouth little punk who couldn't handle the culture shock, not to mention you can't PROPERLY spell the title "Marine". I don't even know why those little fantasies of claiming such a title still rattle around in that useless watermelon affixed to your neck!

All you've shown through all you posts in this forum is that you don't understand what is means to WANT to become A United States Marine. You base your opinions on something as simple as a combat uniform you will never put on except when all your little friends go outside to play G.I. Joe, let's forget the facts like the uniform performs better under all of the testing and evaluations that were conducted.....You think maybe the people who designed and tested it know more about it than you? Maybe just a little? You don't become a Marine because you like the uniform or some other ridiculous crap like that! You enlist in the Marine Corps because you're drawn by something inside, whether you know what it is or not. It's just the way it is.

So in closing "Bob" or whatever the hell your name is and whatever the hell your age, you can either drop the bull**** argument that the Digital Cammies are the only reason that you are deterred from taking up the challenge of attempting to become a US Marine, GRAB HOLD and see if you have what it takes........or just go about living your pathetic little life which is apparently revolving around miniscule topics and continue being a little punk who probably will end up a loser with a dead end job who dreams of beings one of the 'Big Dogs on the Varsity Team', but infact remains one of Wanna-Be's trailing around the scraps that the towel boy drops in the dirt.

[Apogee]

I'm so happy breacher is in this forum. There is nothing better then hearing a Marine give an 'inspirational' speech. I really don't think anyone does it better (even in the Army). But like Breacher, said, I don't want people like that in my unit. Night everyone...

[Breacher]

...........And another thing 'Bob', here is the CORRECT spelling so you can put it on a t-shirt and wear it around .

"I aspired to join the United States Marine Corps, but they made fun of me when I said the new Digital Cammies clashed with my purse. They are so MEAN!"

..........Or is 'aspire' to big of a word, you F***ing SALLY!

[Breacher]

...........And another thing 'Bob', here is the CORRECT spelling so you can put it on a t-shirt and wear it around .

"I aspired to join the United States Marine Corps, but they made fun of me when I said the new Digital Cammies clashed with my purse. They are so MEAN!"

..........Or is 'aspire' to big of a word, you F***ing SALLY!

[Matt]

lol im not even american and the **** looks pussieish and the old deasert camo rocked and all im saying is i perfer the old stuff so STFU and if u were 14 i would kick ur ass right about now

[Nelson]

I think BOB gets picked on at his middle school so he tries to act tough on the internet. To bad everyone still just laughs at him.

[David]

i'd love it if bob would go up to a marine in real life that was wearing the digital cammies and tell him he looks like a pussy. that'd just make my day, my month, my year..

[budanski]

The Super Power Issue
Being Invisible (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08/pwr_invisible.html)
Next-gen optical camouflage is busting out of defense labs and into the street. This is technology you have to see to believe.

[Seiyuuki]

It's like the Aston Martin Vanquish in James Bond "Die Another Day"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[budanski]

The last Bond movie I saw was the first Bond with Pierce Brosnan. Bond lost its mystique with me when opted to become a 2 hour long BMW/Omega watch commercial. Heard he's back to the Aston Martin. Great U.S-owned car ;)

[Seraphim]

Hey, those Omega watches are nice...even though I'll never spend that much money on a watch. As for the BMW's....no comment

[Gauntlet]

My vote goes to Sweden. I heard so many good things about their camo.
I think I saw one photo where they said there was an Coastal Ranger Sniper in it, I still can't spot that sniper!

[mustamato]

Yeah I like the swedish m/90 too.

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/003.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/008.jpg

[ChuckThunder]

My vote goes to Sweden. I heard so many good things about their camo.
I think I saw one photo where they said there was an Coastal Ranger Sniper in it, I still can spot that sniper!

Yellow Stinger!

http://armynavymarinestore.com/inv_img/bduyel.jpg

rofl

[mustamato]

No one voting for the belgian camp? :)

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10202

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10190

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10192

Very gayish.

[Uncle Sam]

I'd say, Animal Country...


It looks like a leaf. But oh no...It's really a Frog...wow
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/animal-camouflage-1.jpg

[Dalleer]

Well, I've got several "favorite" camouflage patterns but the Swedish M/90 has to be the one and only. The M/90 works well in several areas and the pattern just somehow beats our (read: Finnish) camouflage by it's sharp edges.

Then again the patterns with small spots in them tend to work well in my opinion as well, patterns such as the Flecktarn, Danish M/84 (?) , CADPAT, MARPAT etc.

But, the camouflage that you should never wear is by close the black BDU that somehow has grown very popular on some airsoft-circles.

The black BDU's tend to work for a few hours of the night, but in the summer time the use of black BDU's on woodland-areas doesn't work at all, not to mention how "dark" the Finnish summer nights can get sometimes...

OD green is great as well, perhaps it would even work better than a camouflage pattern sometimes, depending on the area of course.


Here's a short list on some of the camouflage patterns that I have tried or currently have a set of in my closet(s):

German Flecktarn

US Woodland

East German "Strichtarn"

Swedish M/90

OD green

Unknown "Lizard"-type camouflage (it's been speculated that it might be French)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Theres plenty of good camoflauge out there most of it is up to the user to decide whats best for what situation.
I personally use Tigerstripe, its really hard for the eye to pick up. Especially if you blend the "Asian" Tigerstripe against the "advisor" Tigerstripe. Theres also the Russian Kamysh, its a Russian version of Tigerstripe. Although I havent seen it in person from what I have seen it should match the US Tigerstripe. I havent seen any sort of "lizard" flauge, some say this may be comparable to tigerstripe but is more for Europe settings.

I myself have used just plain black, not just a bdu but just plain black clothes. It can be used but the user has to be really concious of were he/she is positioned all the time. In dense forests it can be used effectively, but obviously if your caught out in the open your a sitting duck.

Of course there is the digital camoflauge, I havent had any personal experience with this type of camoflauge but it works quite effectively.

In the end there is no best camoflauge, it will not make you invisible. It is a tool just like anything else, if the user knows how to use the tool properly he will be effectively hidden. If not well he/she will stick out like a sore thumb.

[Gauntlet]

No one voting for the belgian camp? :)

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10202
Very gayish.

I'm sorry all my Flemish people but....
rofl

On another topic:
Yes I believe M90 is the coolest. It blends well with the surrounding and its made up of polygons instead of "blobs" like in most camo.
By the way, I saw this crazy camoflague that I saw, Its basicly made of blocks like a poor image quaility picture with all the pixals. At first I thought it was a crazy fasion until I saw some soldier wearing them when I was on Base getting my Military ID. Is it a real design of camo or some fasion flook?

[Dalleer]

I'd say that the Belgian camo is "different" and might suit the Belgian countryside very well but somehow it indeed seems a bit...

In any case, I like the Belgian camo. See here, I don't indiscriminate camo patterns either!

[Glock]

I like the British Camo.
gratings leo

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/wallpaper/CADPAT3man640x480.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9003.jpg

[REMOV]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

[Rantanplan]

rofl

[Smintjes]

Long live the Belgian jigsaw pattern! woot


Anyway, I don't think that there is ONE great wondercamo out there, you should just look at the terrain in which you will want to "disappear".

The sets I have hanging in the closet are:

Flecktarn
Wustentarn
Danish M84 --> my favourite
Austrian "pea" pattern
BGS-tarn
Splintertarn
Tiger Stripe
US 3-color desert
US 6-color desert
Belgian jigsaw (only trousers)
Belgian Air Commando-camo (looks like flecktarn, only a tad lighter)
MARPAT
CADPAT

Looking for: M90

[Gauntlet]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

[Gauntlet]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

Syrian commanders: "We want our soldiers to be faaaaaaabilous!" ;)

[Bartok5]

The best camo is simply the one that does the best job of breaking up the human form in relation to your natural or artificial surroundings at a specific time and place. There is no "magic camo bullet" which works in all different geographical locales, during all seasons, and all lighting conditions. Some are certainly more versatile than others, but none are are "all singing, all dancing".

Check out my web-site for a look at a modest array of what is available out there. Bear in mind that my personal collection merely scratches the surface. There are quite literally 1000's of other patterns floating around out there. Until someone builds a better mousetrap such as a truely "adaptive camo uniform" with photosensor-triggered color changes, we will be stuck with "static" patterns which perform to varying degrees of effectiveness.

There is no "Best" camo out there right now, unless you are willing to make your judgement based on a very specific set of criteria with defined geography, vegetation, season, weather, and lighting conditions. Otherwise, picking the "best" amounts to nothing more than a game of "this camo is cooler looking that that one".

Just some food for thought, from someone with an evident interest in the matter of clothing-based individual concealment....

Here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/canuck_infantry/INDEX.html

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see them

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

A part from joining the CF it's pretty hard to find the real mackoy in surplus stores. In fact, it's illegal for them to sell it to you.

[BT_Recon]

argh - quoting quotes is busting my balls.

being an aussie, i'd normally say "Auscam" but:

i like CADPAT, Flektarn and the three colour bdu desert cam.

[Marxist203]

Daves Army Surplus in New Westminster, B.C. has a ton of Cadpat, and that imitation stuff and even some Marpat. Dont have any real cadpat as its expensive, but the imitation stuff is pretty cheap and looks cool too ;)

[Smintjes]

If even I can get a Frontenac-set into Belgium, it can't be that hard to find ;-)

[Guttorm]

I'd have to say all the digital patterns out there are quite impressive.

I haven't seen a camo that blends better then the marpat/cadpat.

Isn't there a desert version of marpat?

[REMOV]

Isn't there a desert version of marpat?Sure.

http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/1.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/coat_d.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/gcover_d.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/fcover_d.jpg

[RobT]

British DPM ;)

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

A part from joining the CF it's pretty hard to find the real mackoy in surplus stores. In fact, it's illegal for them to sell it to you.


hehe i know a bunch of people that work in the back of the QM!

[glofs]

Btw, here are some camouflage-links for inspiration:

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/index.asp
http://www.worldcamo.com/main1.htm
http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/camo_index.html

China's blue navyuniform (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=124) is as pretty as the new US Air Force (http://federalvoice.dscc.dla.mil/federalvoice/031008/afuniform.html) one... :)

[Tygryssek]

CADPAT rules in the forests, Canadian soldiers are're invisible p-)

[Sabre]

Lads, i've got to give it to those Syrian Commandos!

No need for R&D, they wanted pink combats with little pictures on and they damn well got them. Now that's the way to go!

[fantassin]

Being hard to spot is one thing; being immediatly identified as a member of the armed forces of a specific country is another. that's why what may look like an "odd" camo (Belgium for example) is a good camo; if you meet a belgian soldier once, you never forget it !

Everybody with little money uses woodland now; so you never know if it's friend or foe, if it's shoot or hold fire. Hence, in my eyes, the necessity of peculiar camos that do hide their wearers but also mark them as members of a specific country. That limits friendly fire too...

[Chris O`Crooh]

Polish "Pantera". It works as good as Flecktarn at most distances.

I like also British DPM, Flecktarn and Jietai.

Woodland-82... sorry, not so good.

Belgian... Can anyone post pics of Belgian soldiers in woodland conditions?

[mustamato]

http://www.mil.ee/~fotek/gallery/pildid/album40/aan.sized.jpg

Don´t know if it´s the best, but the estonian camo is very nice...

[Dalleer]

http://www.mil.ee/~fotek/gallery/pildid/album40/aan.sized.jpg

I agree on the "very nice"-factor of that pattern.

I'm going to visit Estonia in the summer (if I'll have the time) and I might consider on getting a set of this "Estonian camouflage" if it's sold commercially there.

[Smintjes]

Belgian... Can anyone post pics of Belgian soldiers in woodland conditions?

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=6535

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=5183

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=8046

[Falco]

If even I can get a Frontenac-set into Belgium, it can't be that hard to find ;-)

The real stuff is ;)

[MapleLeafInfantry]

Lookin for cadpat SWAG eh.....
i recently just got issued the stuff, (however 33cbg's qm's in the north are a little neither here nor there, however i hear its that way accross Canada, so my pants are size 38(i'm a 31) but my top is nice and fitted.)

I sold off my trusty old olive drab QL3-INF NBCW bag and upgraded to a gucci cadpat one, you can pick them, and a lot of other woodland cadpat products(authentic pattern), as well as olive drab, and some black
from Canadian Peacekeeper, they have everything form camelbacks, packs, frotenac uniforms, tons of great field gear, and a whole lot of over priced junk for new officers and the parents of wealthy cadets. Lots of mouth watering stuff found here... however no desert pattern as of yet.
http://www.canadianpeacekeeper.com
Another site I found interesting, b/c it offers some imitation desert cadpat(a first) and many american products in Cadpat is Seals Action Gear
they have this Cadpat fleece toque I am interested in, any of you who have worn the CF toque understand why.
http://www.sealsactiongear.com/
HOWEVER the tac vest they sell is not the new one from the clothe the soldier proj.


as for the nuke bag, I'm gonna sew on my old school fat olive drab name tags and the 33 LIB tag on it that I got at EX SG 03

hope this helps
mli

[DeltaWhisky58]

Hi All

I visited a Belgian military base in July '02. Sucirity was provided by Belgian Para-commandos wearing the standard pattern of cammo gear. These guys were all over the base which is very heavily wooded (mixed conifers/broadleaf) and IMO the camo pattern was very effective for that environment, however I would have doubts about its effectiveness in wider use, i.e. outside Belgium.

[Sabre]

Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage!

I also can't believe that you can buy this:

http://www.wheelersonline.com/images/CPProducts/5019lg.JPG

BTW, it straps to your dog to hold 6x beer cans...

BTWx2, yes, I have just realised that this was on another thread...D'oh!

[memphiz]

CADPAT AR is really cool, and i have been looking for pics of it but the sites down, so when its back up ill post some

[USMarine3521]

my vote would go to the MCCUU (marpat) or cadpat.

i think the MCCUU's better than cadpat because of the slanted pockets and the arm pockets and doesnt it also have pad inserts for the knees and elbow?? and of course the EGA! ( doesnt the cadpat have the maple leaf on it?)

edit: i guess the cadpat also has slanted pockets.

[Chris O`Crooh]

Sabre wrote:

Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=24


A "woodland" type camouflage in 4 colours: light green, dark green, brown and black. The pattern is called "Pantera" (panther) by the Polish Army.

EOT.

[REMOV]

Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage!But why? ;)

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/formoza/06.jpg

[Guttorm]

Not sure if theres one posted yet, but heres the Norwegian cammo.

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00033/samlet_33627a.jpg

[pAt]

CADPAT AR is really cool, and i have been looking for pics of it but the sites down, so when its back up ill post some


ive seen on another fourm we are getting CADPAT winter camo now...i'd send the link but i cant access the fourms right now

[Swed]

Swedish M90, Need i say more?? :D

[Hadoken]

I'm going to have to say Danish M84 pattern looks the best to me.

However I'm also a big fan of Swedish M90, Polish M93 Pantera and the newer Vzor 95 Czech camouflage (http://www.nato.int/pictures/database/large/b00380.jpg)

[Falco]

ive seen on another fourm we are getting CADPAT winter camo now...i'd send the link but i cant access the fourms right now

Winter Cadpat?? I'd like to see pictures of it.

[memphiz]

CADPAT AR
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B020AD.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B015A.jpg[/quote]

[Falco]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg

Gotta love his mustache

[M1A2U2]

Either italian desert or danish desert

[pretorian669]

ISRAELI WOODLAND CAMO


http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03203.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03208.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03209.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03199.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03200.jpg

[Zeus]

Winter CADPAT is quite effective; however, it does not look anything like you would expect. Instead of being a relish-like digital pattern, it is primarily flat white with large, sharp darker gray areas. The gray looks much like a shadow and can be confusing to the eye. I'm not sure if there are pictures of it available on the internet now, but I'm sure that if there is someone here will dig it up. :)

[panzerfaust]

I like the Autumn Oakleaf pattern of the Waffen SS
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerIII/hood.jpg
the plane tree pattern is cool too.
http://members.shaw.ca/panzeriii/smock.jpg

and the blurred edge...
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerIII/parkanohood.jpg

["sniper" tom]

http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg
http://www.nato.int/pictures/2003/031120b/b031120ax.jpg
http://www.hqmndc.org/history%20as%20web%20size/2001-165/Artfull%20Issue%202001-

belgian camo is very different then other camo's but its really good in most landscapes !
but you cant have a camo for every landscape so, US camo is better for that, UK camo is better for this , belgian camo is better for that, en so one..

and belgian camo gay ? :fork:

[haze99]

:lol: How about the USAF blue tiger stripe? They are still testing out!
It should work well on the moons of Endor!

[hedgehog]

I really hate what they got for the Candian forces. I saw it up close when I was in Barrie before Christmas. I guess the guy came from Borden CFB. I can't believe they couldn't get a pattern computer that could calculate spline curves..I mean really..squares? They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff. Squares... someone probably said.."let's make someting that noone else has so we can spend more money"

[Dalleer]

They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff

So you think that CADPAT is not acceptable for the Canadian forces?

I think that the CADPAT-style patterns are certainly a new revolution, not to mention that Flecktarn and the Danish stuff (or, anything with a small printed pattern in it) tends to work good as well.

It's just that some of the big patterned camouflage tends to be easily Noticeable in certain situations, referring to US Woodland for an example.

I've tried to study the various blending factors of the various camouflage patterns at my disposal at the moment, especially the differences between the Flecktarn and the Danish M/84 and must say that in many cases they work alot better than the big-patterned ones.

Note that this is just something I've done as a amateur.

EDIT: something wrong with the lining on the writing...

[panzerfaust]

http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/jadgtiger/iticammo.jpg

that stuff reminds me of Italian Tarnmuster http://members.shaw.ca/hetzer/M%3aU%3aG/hfp.gif

[Dalleer]

http://www.thuringenmilitaria.com/pictures/italiancap.jpg

An unknown (to me) Italian camouflage pattern shown here. But, what interests to me greatly is that this thing looks somewhat similar to our M/62 and M/91 "Viking" patterns.

EDIT: Found a picture of the jacket as well

http://www.thuringenmilitaria.com/pictures/italiancamo.jpg

------

http://www.teres.fi/erna/1998/valokuvat/kuvat/erna-98-33.jpg

The jacket that this man is wearing, is of the older M/62 "Viking" fabric but his wearing the M/91 trousers...

["sniper" tom]

panzerfaust wrote
that stuff reminds me of Italian Tarnmuster http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg
what do you mean?

[panzerfaust]

well the size of the coloured shapes and the pallet of hues is similar- I didn't say they were the same just that it reminded me of the broad shaped Italian stuff from WWII. It is different than the usual cammo patterns which are very "busy" visually- which have smaller shapes to the pattern and more harmonious colour groupings. To me these Belguim cammo's have that broad large shaped look to them-

[4LPH4 B3T4]

My vote goes to the M84 camo.
http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/denmark.jpghttp://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/danishm84/daccj1na500b.jpg

["sniper" tom]

panzerfaust wrote
well the size of the coloured shapes and the pallet of hues is similar- I didn't say they were the same just that it reminded me of the broad shaped Italian stuff from WWII. It is different than the usual cammo patterns which are very "busy" visually- which have smaller shapes to the pattern and more harmonious colour groupings. To me these Belguim cammo's have that broad large shaped look to them-

i didn't understand it at first but now i do, so thanks for explaining

[pAt]

I really hate what they got for the Candian forces. I saw it up close when I was in Barrie before Christmas. I guess the guy came from Borden CFB. I can't believe they couldn't get a pattern computer that could calculate spline curves..I mean really..squares? They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff. Squares... someone probably said.."let's make someting that noone else has so we can spend more money"

mmm..they work alot better than the old OD's the Canadian forces have

[Dennis79]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige545.jpg

[F'tard]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!

[Dennis G]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!

rofl

[Vintendo]

I think the Spot type patterns are the most effective. Marpat, Cadpat, Flecktarn, Danish, Japanese.
But I think the Swedish pattern looks the coolest, regardless of effectiveness.

For uniqueness, I think the Taiwanese Marine Corp camo is very crazy looking. If anyone can find pics of it it would be cool, I'm too lazy.

[The Punk]

I think the best camo is "San Marco" the Italian Marines camo. It's imho the best compromise for almost all terrains, cause it had small, unshaped spots in various colors, green, brown, sand, black, light grey.
It works perfectly in mediterranean environment but it also works well in continental woods and also in urban.

here's a pic, sorry if it's ugly but it's me playn' airsoft... :lol:
http://album.foto.virgilio.it/MmY3NTczNjU3MjczMmY2NjZmNzQ2ZjcwNzI2NTc2Njk2NTc3MmYzMDM0MzIyZjYxMmU2YzYxNzQ2MTZlN2E2MTQwNzY2OTcyNjc2OTZjNjk2ZjJlNjk3NDJm/medium_8fbfee98eaa80422f37bbc5ee03b0571/view_foto.php

[The Punk]

Sorry, double post.

[The Punk]

Here some other pics of San Marco camo:
http://www.marina.difesa.it/attivita/incorso/babilonia/images/sanmarco/iraq/sanmarco10.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/attivita/incorso/babilonia/images/sanmarco/iraq/sanmarco18.jpg

http://album.foto.virgilio.it/MmY3NTczNjU3MjczMmY2NjZmNzQ2ZjcwNzI2NTc2Njk2NTc3MmYzMDM0MzIyZjYxMmU2YzYxNzQ2MTZlN2E2MTQwNzY2OTcyNjc2OTZjNjk2ZjJlNjk3NDJm/medium_af6204c21b9bb5298d083e1706ce5dc1/view_foto.php

These are real operators, in fact they're not ugly as me! :lol:

[marktigger]

British Temperate DPM
British Tropical DPM
Rhodesian
Dennison smock
CADPAT temperate
MARPAT Desert
MARPAT Woodland
Tiger Stripe

2 funniest
Norweigan desert
Aussie Desert

[Balhae]

My personal preferences would be....


Golden Tiger Stripes(Vietnam Era)
M65 ERDL(Vietnam Era)
US Six-color Desert Camo
ROKA Woodland
Czech Vz. 95
British P95
JSDF Flectarn
French Middle Europe Pattern
Bundeswehre Flectarn
Russian MVD Camo


And so on......

[Midtown]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!'

That was seriously awesome they need a ****ing salute smiley for that.

[Ian H]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige545.jpg



I think these are more photos of the French 13e RDP, a long range recon unit. Thanks for posting them, I'd only seen this one before:


http://www.hkpro.com/action6snowsd.jpg




Also, could someone please post pics of British tropical and temperate DPM, together if possible, I can't see any difference between them in the photos I've seen so far.

Thanks in advance

[Maverick77]

Canada and the U.S Marine corps

[tiger-unit]

FLORA all the way !

[tiger-unit]

FLORA all the way !


edit: sorry, double post.

[Parzival]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

[Parzival]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/wallpaper/CADPAT3man640x480.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9003.jpgDigital Cammo, That´s intresting..Very god uniforms too.

[Parzival]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!
rofl

[USMarine3521]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

that would be the mccuu (or marpat) that the Marines use.

[Dalleer]

The MARPAT/CADPAT -styles tend to be quite effective, it seems...

[vitiaz]

Some of the new Russian patterns look interesting,

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan08.large.jpg

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen201.large.jpg

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd03.large.jpg

[Dalleer]

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan08.large.jpg

I remember the Germans having a very similar looking pattern during WWII. Possibly used by the SS...

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd03.large.jpg

Looks a bit like the DPM, now doesn't it?

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen201.large.jpg

And this looks interesting as well.

[MolliG]

Austrian... Simple, effective and goes with everything :)...

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/gefechtsdienst_2_768x541_1054644817.jpg

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/wald012_768x576_1067678241.jpg

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/auftrag_768x576_1054641083.jpg

Images from www.bmlv.gv.at

[vitiaz]

>I remember the Germans having a very similar looking pattern during >WWII. Possibly used by the SS...
The 'patrizan' does look very similar to the WW2 SS pattern. One of the closeups looks like the Russians 'pixelated/digitized' the pattern.

>Looks a bit like the DPM, now doesn't it?
Yep, the Russians have had their own DPM for quite awhile. The new suits looks like they have adopted the taped/Canandian style buttons too.

>And this looks interesting as well.
This is a 'digtal' version of the 'reed' pattern.

More pics are at,
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/upcoming.php

[Dalleer]

Yep, the Russians have had their own DPM for quite awhile. The new suits looks like they have adopted the taped/Canandian style buttons too.

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd02.large.jpg

Yes, it seems that the Russians have alot of their own adaptations of various other patterns...

[Marsuitor]

2 funniest
Norweigan desert
.........................
Just for reference:
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00034/Bes_k_samlet-370_34677a.jpg

Also:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/norwegian_military/kjk_tr_na_7_8955a.jpg
Fits the bill quite well IMO. Well, at least around this part of the world.

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd01.large.jpg
Another pic of the new Russian modified version of the DPM
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan01.large.jpg
More new Russian Camo...seems to be the same stuff as the dude with the jacket.
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan06.large.jpg
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan07.large.jpg
An up-close view
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen202.large.jpg

www.russiancombatgear.com

Stan at Russian Combat Gear is thinking about bringing some of the newer products in. Hopefully he does as the last camoflauge is quite interesting.

[Dalleer]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

I'm wondering, have you listed these patterns in a "the best first, the worst last"-type of a way?

And yes, the M/90 is a pretty "Digital" pattern in my view as well, despite it not being in the more "popular" pixel type...

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

I'm wondering, have you listed these patterns in a "the best first, the worst last"-type of a way?

And yes, the M/90 is a pretty "Digital" pattern in my view as well, despite it not being in the more "popular" pixel type...

They're ranked kind of, with the SS Oak as favourite, mostly because it's reversible, guess it was probably the best at it's time.
M90 looks nice and works nice, same for flecktarn.
I think that ERDL and subdued tiger stripe looks good aesthatically(sp?)

Hmm no one has suggested realtree and advantage or whatever they're called?

[Sixgun Symphony]

Just for reference:
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00034/Bes_k_samlet-370_34677a.jpg


IMO, plain khaki is best for a desert environment.

[Bulkowski]

http://www.mossyoakapparel.com/scms_images/main_image.jpg
Mossy Oak :D rofl

[Luxembourger]

I still prefer the US chocolate chip BDU
I also like the bundeswehr BDU

[Spearin]

Canadian CADPAT for sure. Not only is it sexy, but very effective as well!

[Vintendo]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

[mustamato]

http://www.livgardet.mil.se/images/local/img_1246.gif

Urbanized swedish m/90 as used by a urban warfare unit. I think it would
look nice on a uniform as well. (It has a grey colour instead of a light green).

http://www.recon.se/Sommnadsmaterial/spannen/cordura90.JPG
Ordinary m/90

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

Tigerstripe camoflauge works well woot I love it :P

[Dalleer]

http://www.livgardet.mil.se/images/local/img_1246.gif

Urbanized swedish m/90 as used by a urban warfare unit. I think it would
look nice on a uniform as well. (It has a grey colour instead of a light green).

http://www.recon.se/Sommnadsmaterial/spannen/cordura90.JPG
Ordinary m/90

Speaking of urbanized BDU's it seems that the Swedish are not considering on making their "urban rifle squads" or their urban based forces BDU's suitable for the area like we seem to be "in the process of".

As I've said before, Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti is still researching the possibility of some sorts of urban "uniforms" that the personnel there can use. The project is named "Stadi", as it seems...

[Salty Dog]

MARPAT, and CADPAT.

[OldRecon]

Not sure if theres one posted yet, but heres the Norwegian cammo.

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00033/samlet_33627a.jpg

Might not look like it in this pic, but our pattern of cammo clot blends remarkably well with woodland background whatever season (except winter perhaps).

[mustamato]

As I've said before, Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti is still researching the possibility of some sorts of urban "uniforms" that the personnel there can use. The project is named "Stadi", as it seems...

I have read that there was a experiment going on a couple of years ago with
a special urban warfare unit, it was "greyish". I think a platoon was equipped
with the uniform a year, but it wasn´t liked by the dudes at the HQ, mainly
because it wasn´t standardized. And everyone looking the same is a quite important
thing in Sweden obviously. About that finnish "urban camouflage uniform", I
don´t belive in the concept. Especially not in a city like Helsinki where there is
a lot of parks, and "small parks" between the houses etc. But for vehicles etc it can
probably be effective.

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_03.jpg

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_02.jpg

[OldRecon]

Also:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/norwegian_military/kjk_tr_na_7_8955a.jpg
Fits the bill quite well IMO. Well, at least around this part of the world.

Yep, and the secret behind it is that the different colours in the mix don't contrast too much between each other. Which is a weaknes with many other cammo patterns that contain black patches that contrast too much with the other colours of the setup. Even if the black manages to break outline it somehow sticks out.

[AK-Lover]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stccs1na500b.jpg
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stwmp1nx500a.jpg
I like the former DDR strichtarn camo.

[fantassin]

[quote think these are more photos of the French 13e RDP, a long range recon unit. Thanks for posting them, I'd only seen this one before:[/quote]

The top picture is actually from the June 2003 issue of RAIDS. It shows two members of the "Section de Renseignement" (recce platoon) of the 4° Régiment de Chasseurs, a light armour unit that provides the armoured punch of the French 27th BIM (Mountain Inf Brigade) with its 36 ERC 90 Sagaie armoured cars.

The others are members of the 13th RDP. Those pics were probably taken in Sweden when doing joint training with the Swedish K4 Regiment.

For the Russians on the board; I have noticed several members of the Russian security forces wearing French camouflage (the central european pattern) during the theater siege last year; any info on who uses it and where it's coming from?

[Germanas]

IMHO one of the best desert camouflage patterns is current Lithuanian, i have no pictures of it nearby, but have seen them in this forum.

[Dalleer]

About that finnish "urban camouflage uniform", I
don´t belive in the concept. Especially not in a city like Helsinki where there is
a lot of parks, and "small parks" between the houses etc. But for vehicles etc it can
probably be effective.

I completely agree with you man.

Helsinki's Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti and the troops assigned to the defene of the capital city-area do not really need something like that due to the reasons you listed.

And to be reasonable, the various urban camouflage patterns are never really that effective in a city area, many times the normal camouflage schemes work better than anything else.

But maybe some of our HQ "dudes" thought that it would have been "kinda like the Americanos" if our guys would have been issued with cool and shiny urban camouflage uniforms?

Btw, the desert M/90's...very cool

[Tygryssek]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.

[Dalleer]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stccs1na500b.jpg
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stwmp1nx500a.jpg
I like the former DDR strichtarn camo.

I've got a set of the DDR "Strichtarn" along with the UTV-belt + harness and a pair of them AK47 mag pouches as well.

The UTV-belt is completely second quality crap, I can't tell you people how many time the belt buckle has just opened up in the middle of a handsome crawl through a field or something.

As for the pouches and the BDU-suit, they've worked pretty well...

[mustamato]

Melts in to the surrounding perfectly

http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/norrk6.jpg

[hihihi_ch]

The swiss one is very good.
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/3556.jpg

in use :
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4966.jpg
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4966.jpg

tho old one:
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4733.jpg[/img]

[Viper]

I must say that Denmark (Where i live) has the best camo IMO.

I am the proud owner of a M84 Battle uniform, Winter and summer..

Plus one of the rare M/01 Desert Uniforms... I must say... The danish desert uniform is the finest i have ever seen... Can only hope peolpe can agree ;)

[OldRecon]

This pic from an honouring ceremony by Norwegian army for our fallen in Lebanon in Saqi last Christmas of one officer in Norwegian army dessert cammo and one in standard cammo quite interestingly show that the standard cammo blends a lot better in with the local greenery and brownery than the dessert one (in my opinion at least).

http://www.veterannett.com/fotobase/mypics/runeb/47/JarleHWarberg.jpg

[USMarine3521]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.

the colors are like the exact same as the US tri-color desert, because of this it is hard to discern the two.

[Hullebullen]

Camo I think is cool in no particular order:

CADPAT
Danish M/84
German Flecktarn
6-color DCU "chocolate chip"
Norwegian M98
Waffen-SS Oak A "spring"
German Zeltbahn "splinter pattern"

[SpikeATGM]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

But it kind of tight fitting one. Quite uncomfortable.

Years back when training in ROC, we wore the older version which is plain green in color.

[crazyman]

my vote goes to the ol' brit uniform from the 1700's. aint nothin like marching off to war with all your buddies side by side, in bright red.

[lekomin]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!
this "commando" has flip flops on for f**** sake!!!!
:cantbeli: :cantbeli:
take care
lekomin inc

[rafaelcb]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

[Dalleer]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

[marc]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn70.jpg

I love german desert camo :)

[Dalleer]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn70.jpg

I love german desert camo :)

Agreed!

Tropentarn is very nice

[rafaelcb]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

Yes, it was Spanish. It was called 'Rocoso' or 'Pirineos' and went out of use in the 70's. It was good though!
http://www.boinasverdes.org/album/bataller/urbana/05.jpg

[Thor]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

What's "US News" and what's that "comoflouge"-thing on Haiti?

In other words: Vacon, start spending more time in school.

[Dalleer]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

Yes, it was Spanish. It was called 'Rocoso' or 'Pirineos' and went out of use in the 70's. It was good though!
http://www.boinasverdes.org/album/bataller/urbana/05.jpg

I have this book about special forces here, and it was made in 1976 or so and it happened to feature a subject about the Spanish special forces/ foreign legion.

Just so happened that a certain picture featured Spanish soldiers wearing that camouflage, so my sharp mind got to work...

[Chasseur_Alpin]

well hidden!
http://www.gign.org/galleries/photos/p-images/tireurs_elite/sniper16.jpg

http://www.gign.org/galleries/photos/p-images/tireurs_elite/sniper42.jpg

http://www.gign.org/gign/galerie_zoom.php?code_rub=9&f_cpt=17&start=0

[Sleeping Sun]

There are a lot great pictures on the GIGN site.
I just can't make any sense why those great vids are no longer there to be viewed. I liked the FFL vids especialy, though I never did understand what they were saying. :D

[Mr. Nielsen]

Pics are a bit small.

http://www.gign.org/galleries/photos/g-images/tireurs_elite/sniper16.jpg

http://www.gign.org/galleries/photos/g-images/tireurs_elite/sniper42.jpg

[Chasseur_Alpin]

yep, too small, it was for you will see the site... ;)

there are great pictures, like sleeping says it.

i like this one:
http://www.gign.org/galleries/photos/g-images/autres-unites/action9bundesag36.jpg

[Frens]

Will the USMC (or anybody else) paint their vehicles with new digital camo?

[FallenAngel]

I doubt it.

OD or Desert Tan is the way they go.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Will the USMC (or anybody else) paint their vehicles with new digital camo?

It would be quite the paint job and very time consuming...almost near impossible...it would take absolutely forever to do any vehicle in MARPAT.

[Tane Angle]

I could see them using Coyote Brown as their main color on vehicles, but is that even possible, or does it only have its affects when in thread?

[Ratamacue]

Seems to me that a vehicle painted coyote brown would probably stick out like a sore thumb in very green areas no matter how versatile a color it is. They'll probably stick with their current patterns/colors on the vehicles.

[MVSpartan117]

Seems to me that a vehicle painted coyote brown would probably stick out like a sore thumb in very green areas no matter how versatile a color it is. They'll probably stick with their current patterns/colors on the vehicles.

Agreed, coyote brown would only seem to work well in small patches, i.e. body armor, vest, etc....

[pAt]

lol the paintjob would take probably months just to do 1 vehicle

[ogukuo72]

Which is why there's some experimentation with camo decals. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be rugged enough at the moment for military use.

[zenmaster]

Vehicles? I wanna know when my MARPAT face paint is coming.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Vehicles? I wanna know when my MARPAT face paint is coming.

and you'll be getting ready a full 24 hours early making the splotches to match your camo :lol:

[Germaine]

CADPAT is the best to date for "coniferus" area's but the German Flecktarn and Danish Cam is very good also but it all comes down to the area

[pretorian669]

New Israeli paterns
http://community.webshots.com/s/image11/6/96/40/128369640VHDuAi_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image8/7/39/49/128373949AeWwyt_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image10/7/37/52/128373752zcvFZz_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image10/7/41/11/128374111iFMYfj_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image9/7/49/9/128374909oAmpqL_ph.jpg

[/img]

[illyrian]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

Pink is the bes color for the deserts. SAS used to draw with pink their jeeps to be used in the desert

[Navy]

I cant see the new israeli camo. Only red crosses.

Plz post again...

[pretorian669]

I cant see the new israeli camo. Only red crosses.

Plz post again...
http://community.webshots.com/album/130033958VSzrtU

[ARBERESH]

german and brittish

[EchoSierra2]

Hands Down!

[deutschersoldat]

german winter camou
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn32.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/snipercountry/artikel/Bilder/wintereinsatz.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/snipercountry/tarnung/Bilder/winterschatten.jpg

[zachary harten]

U.S.M.C. digital camo... hands down. Also our German counterparts' camo flectar (that's where the U.S. got the idea?)

[EchoSierra2]

U.S.M.C. digital camo... hands down. Also our German counterparts' camo flectar (that's where the U.S. got the idea?) I beleive the jury is still out on that one but the Germans do have a sweet pattern. On Military Morons site there is an articla from a Ret. Marine that was involved in the creation and trials of MarPat. A good read. I highly recomend that anyone go read it. It should debunk the MarPat/CadPat/GerPat Myth.

[Mark Sman]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

[Dalleer]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

Well, seems like this pattern from Sri Lanka was left out as well;

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos14/sla-b.jpg

[percell_086]

hey, the belgian pattern works great in kosovo, it's not that bad!!!

if you put it the field ( not with the red para berets) but with for example the boonie hat, it works great in western europe, balkan,...

take care
percell

[EchoSierra2]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

Well, seems like this pattern from Sri Lanka was left out as well;

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos14/sla-b.jpgLOL! that cant be real. LOL!

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

O.D. Green!AUSTRIA

[Micke]

I reckon the best camo patterns are all the ugly ones... like Flecktarn, Aucam and CADPAT... they all look like spews, but work really well in the bush.
But the prettiest camo is the good ol' 60's tigerstripe in my oppinon.



Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

What's "US News" and what's that "comoflouge"-thing on Haiti?

In other words: Vacon, start spending more time in school.
HAHA! Vacon, joor Swenglish iz väry goodt. :lol:

I shouldnt talk **** really, before I came to New Zealand my english sucked too. The english part of the education is pretty crap in most Swedish schools...I bunked most of those classes anyway.

[EchoSierra2]

I reckon the best camo patterns are all the ugly ones... like Flecktarn, Aucam and CADPAT... they all look like spews, but work really well in the bush.

Aint nothing ugly about these including MarPat. :fork: :D


But the prettiest camo is the good ol' 60's tigerstripe in my oppinon.

Hear, hear. No aguments this way! :D

[Korth]

Camoflauge uniforms are overrated IMO.

I would just issue khaki uniforms for desert environment.

http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/khaki.jpg

Here you can see that even a khaki dress uniform blends rather well in some urban environments.

http://quiggs.zachhale.com/archives/UNI2.JPG


An olive drab green uniform with bits of shredded burlap and vegetation tied onto ones helmet and pack will be adequate camoflauge for temperate regions and for jungle warfare.

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=olive+drab+green+uniform/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/olive.jpg

[injetores que chamejam]

I agree with the khaki for desert environments, but I would prefer camoflauge pattern uniform for jungle environment.

[Breach_SWE]

After been in the Swedish army I have to say M/90 all the way.
You really fade into the envariment specially at dusk/night.

And it makes the ladys wet too! ;)

[Parzival]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.
The uniforms looks like the old US uniforms they were use in Somalia.

[Dalleer]

The uniforms looks like the old US uniforms they were use in Somalia.

Well, the Swedish desert M/90's really have a very similar feel to the US 3-color desert BDU's.

However, I wouldn't call the 3-color desert BDU's as "old" since they are still being used in Iraq.

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/302_uniform/bdu_01/dbdu_2nd_01.jpg

[mustamato]

After been in the Swedish army I have to say M/90 all the way.
You really fade into the envariment specially at dusk/night.

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

http://www.allthingsmilitary.co.uk/ishop/images/800/0229.jpg
Old Swiss camo

http://www.cybershooters.org/Morgespic/SwissBDU.JPG
Current Swiss camo

[Dalleer]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

[mustamato]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

[Dalleer]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

Don't worry, a decent digital camera's going to go with me....

[mustamato]

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

Don't worry, a decent digital camera's going to go with me....

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo2.jpg

Swedish m/90 turned inside out. From the same exercise where we where
OPFOR, we were basically "Serbs (m/90) and Albanians (Swiss uniform)", the
dude with a hood on his head was from the platoon we were OPFOR for, they
were training for UN peacekeeping, they had a couple of men on patrol and
we ambushed them and took them as prisoners, two of them managed to get
away (tied too bad) and we ran after them. Incredibly, we were like 20 meters
after them and they managed to get away. The power of m/90. Maybe they
had very fast legs or they were hiding under some bush. We didn´t see them
anyway.

The dude with a hood on his head probably wished that he had run away as
well :) He had that damn hood and hands tied for maaaany hours. We stole
his candy from his pockets as well. Hahaha, aaah nostalgia. We only tortured
him with lame jokes. Real serbs would probably have been a little more nasty.

In the evening we
were ordered to take him to a house (in one of those fake urban warfare training
cities). Then at the night his platoon assaulted the building and kicked our butts.
When the shooting begun I looked out of the window and saw a fire ball from
a Ksp 58 on the other side of the road (like 10 meters away) and it was aimed
against me. I felt quite dead there. But hey, only blanks so I turned around
and was going to jump thru a hole in the wall to get out of the house, some dude
of the other platoon had the same idea in mind so we crashed in to each other,
he was faster than me and fired a couple of rounds into my chest (safety distance
to blanks is supposed to be 10 meters). I felt dead for the second time, so I
slowly just run out of the house, I was mentally defeated. When I got out from
the house I died a third time when I looked back at the house and once again
saw a fireball from a Ksp aimed at me. Damn those were some skilled boys
in the other platoon. Took a three story apartment house in no time at all in the
middle of the night. We were only 12 from our platoon defending the house,
I should say. So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

[Dalleer]

So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

Honestly, man, that has to be the funniest stuff I just read about your OPFOR training.

What did the guy you captured (the one with the hood) think of you afterwards?

[mustamato]

So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

Honestly, man, that has to be the funniest stuff I just read about your OPFOR training.

What did the guy you captured (the one with the hood) think of you afterwards?

I don´t recall that I met him again, but I guess he was glad to get rid of that
damn hood and hearing our lame jokes. It was quite cold as well and he had
to sit outside on a pile of wood as well.

Having a hood on the head for hours makes the brain fokk up some functions,
like knowing how long time have gone and where you are. We had the pleasure
to experience that during a POW-exercise, when our hands were untied and we
could take off the hood after 5 hours I was surprised when I checked my watch,
I thought more like two hours, and I wasn´t exactly in the place where I thought
I was. If it would have been a real POW-situation it would have felt quite horribly
I can imagine, not knowing **** about anything, not even what day it is.

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed
to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above,
there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)

[Dalleer]

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed
to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above,
there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)

Hmm, yes, I remember you once posting something about the nametag-"trick". However I remembered that it was one 5,56 instead of two, oh well...

Anyway, why is the Värmejacka called "Comarocken" ?

[benny5405]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG




Is these Germany camo ? :| ]

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

[EchoSierra2]

SUEEEET!

[Backis]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

[Dalleer]

Argh, double post.

[Brozozo]

You just gotta love MARPAT and CADPAT! Great stuff!

[Korth]

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above, there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)


Having two rounds would be no good in escape and evasion as they will have taken your rifle upon your capture.

A small pocket knife would be more useful for escape, evasion, & survival.

[Dalleer]

A small pocket knife would be more useful for escape, evasion, & survival.

It would have to be really small, now wouldn't it ?

How about a mini-sized issue of playboy ( I heard the Talibans had mini-sized Korans , so why not?) afterall POW camps can get really boring sometimes..

[EchoSierra2]

You just gotta love MARPAT and CADPAT! Great stuff!

I have to agree on that. Check out http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/misc.html They did a desert camo test. to me the USMC MCCUU MarPat diffuses the best. followed by the US 3 Color Desert then the British DPM. The others? Just hope the nearest sniper is more than a mile and a half away. :P

[snake_eater]

Camoflauge uniforms are overrated IMO.

I would just issue khaki uniforms for desert environment.

http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/khaki.jpg




Khaki would be my choice for the desert too.

[Antaris]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

Like said, French recon (dragon?) units, cant remember full name, but i think it´s already been stated here in this topic, somwhere..

[strvkomp]

Swedish soldiers in M/90 camo.

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ksp90skytt.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ak5_skytt.jpg
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/full-packning.jpg
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/kj2.jpg
pictures taken from www.soldf.com & www.mil.se

enjoy...

[Dalleer]

Yeat another M/90 lover...

What a good choice, I must say.

[Scottie]

I'm with with the Norwegian camo. Especially the woodland and snow.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709218_2_mann_i_skogen_39228a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709299_felt2-400.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709334_felt3-400_34508a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709419_lysbilde154_30891a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709464_lysbilde155_kopi_30893a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709528_modul_a_-_irak_33372a.jpg
Desert camo here

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709601_sb90_camo_370_21884a.jpg
Can you spot something?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709658_stormlag.jpg

[Dalleer]

Yes, it would be interesting to "test" a Norwegian camouflage pattern as well. About a year ago I had the chance to acquire a set of Norwegian M/98 (?) camouflage BDU's but I declined.

That was a stupid move, I have to tell you...

[Scottie]

Hehe, yeah gonna buy some Norwegian woodland camo

[Jack Mehoff]

Can you see me now?

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/593/camo.JPG

[Scottie]

:O ure invisable :roll: :lol: :bash: :-*$ :cantbeli:

[elguapo]

Who needs `desert 6 colors` :D

though it's main purpose is to protect not disguise

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin03.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin19.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin20.jpg

[ZeroPositive]

interesting camo is that Brazilian camo?

I think cadpat is great Marpat arrid and Danish M84 camo is sweet.

[MapleLeafInfantry]

i think the new british stuff is the best, check it out!!!
http://www.joseacontreras.net/misviajes/photogallery/londonjubilee/guard.jpg

[Scottie]

:D Well they sure dont need camo if they're gonna protect the Queen in London.... :lol:

[solidus]

the irish dpm
http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v126/NOVAsolidus/styer1.jpg
http://www.klickireland.com/20battalion/images/Glen2002_12.jpg