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04-13-2006, 10:54 AM
Rumsfeld Rebuked By Retired Generals

Ex-Iraq Commander Calls for Resignation


By Thomas E. Ricks (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/thomas+e.+ricks/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 13, 2006; Page A01


The retired commander of key forces in Iraq called yesterday for Donald H. Rumsfeld to step down, joining several other former top military commanders who have harshly criticized the defense secretary's authoritarian style for making the military's job more difficult.

"I think we need a fresh start" at the top of the Pentagon, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004-2005, said in an interview. "We need leadership up there that respects the military as they expect the military to respect them. And that leadership needs to understand teamwork."

Batiste noted that many of his peers feel the same way. "It speaks volumes that guys like me are speaking out from retirement about the leadership climate in the Department of Defense," he said earlier yesterday on CNN.

Batiste's comments resonate especially within the Army: It is widely known there that he was offered a promotion to three-star rank to return to Iraq and be the No. 2 U.S. military officer there but he declined because he no longer wished to serve under Rumsfeld. Also, before going to Iraq, he worked at the highest level of the Pentagon, serving as the senior military assistant to Paul D. Wolfowitz, then the deputy secretary of defense.

Batiste said he believes that the administration's handling of the Iraq war has violated fundamental military principles, such as unity of command and unity of effort. In other interviews, Batiste has said he thinks the violation of another military principle -- ensuring there are enough forces -- helped create the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal by putting too much responsibility on incompetent officers and undertrained troops.

His comments follow similar recent high-profile attacks on Rumsfeld by three other retired flag officers, amid indications that many of their peers feel the same way.

"We won't get fooled again," retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, who held the key post of director of operations on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2000 to 2002, wrote in an essay in Time magazine this week. Listing a series of mistakes such as "McNamara-like micromanagement," a reference to the Vietnam War-era secretary of defense, Newbold called for "replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to fundamentally change their approach."

Last month, another top officer who served in Iraq, retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, wrote an opinion piece for the New York Times in which he called Rumsfeld "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically." Eaton, who oversaw the training of Iraqi army troops in 2003-2004, said that "Mr. Rumsfeld must step down."

Also, retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, a longtime critic of Rumsfeld and the administration's handling of the Iraq war, has been more vocal lately as he publicizes a new book, "The Battle for Peace."

"The problem is that we've wasted three years" in Iraq, said Zinni, who was the chief of the U.S. Central Command, which oversees Iraq and the rest of the Middle East, in the late 1990s. He added that he "absolutely" thinks Rumsfeld should resign.

On Tuesday, Gen. Peter Pace, who is the first Marine to serve as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, attempted to tamp down the revolt of the retired generals. No officers were muzzled during the planning of the invasion of Iraq, he said.

"We had then and have now every opportunity to speak our minds, and if we do not, shame on us," he said at a Pentagon briefing. "The articles that are out there about folks not speaking up are just flat wrong."

Lawrence T. Di Rita, a counselor to the Defense Department, disagreed with the retired generals' characterizations of Rumsfeld's style. "People are entitled to their opinions. What they are not entitled to is their own facts. . . . The assertions about inadequate exposure to military judgment are just fundamentally incorrect," he said.

Other retired generals said they think it is unlikely that the denunciations of Rumsfeld and his aides will cease.

"A lot of them are hugely frustrated," in part because Rumsfeld gave the impression that "military advice was neither required nor desired" in the planning for the Iraq war, said retired Lt. Gen. Wallace Gregson, who until last year commanded Marine forces in the Pacific Theater. He said he is sensing much anger among Americans over the administration's handling of the war and thinks the continuing criticism from military professionals will fuel that anger as the November elections approach. He declined to discuss his own views.

Another retired officer, Army Maj. Gen. John Riggs, said he believes that his peer group is "a pretty closemouthed bunch" but that, even so, his sense is "everyone pretty much thinks Rumsfeld and the bunch around him should be cleared out."

He emphatically agrees, Riggs said, explaining that he believes Rumsfeld and his advisers have "made fools of themselves, and totally underestimated what would be needed for a sustained conflict."
Military experts expressed some concern about the new outspokenness of retired generals.

"I think it flatly is a bad thing," said Richard H. Kohn, a military historian at the University of North Carolina who writes frequently on civilian-military relations. He said he worries that it could undermine civilian control of the military, especially by making civilian leaders feel that that they need to be careful about what they say around officers, for fear of being denounced as soon as they retire.

"How can you prosecute a war if the military and civilians don't trust each other?" Kohn asked.

Also, the generals themselves may be partly to blame for the situation in Iraq, along with Rumsfeld and the White House, said Michael Vickers, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a Washington think tank.

"It's just absurd to lay the blame on Don Rumsfeld alone," he said

Firetxmi
04-13-2006, 11:30 AM
Interesting to hear it from the people who would know best.

annihilation
04-13-2006, 12:07 PM
I think he over stayed his welcome.

Count Lippe
04-13-2006, 12:56 PM
They all jump in Rummy because they don't want to badmouth his boss...:roll:

2Sheds_Jackson
04-13-2006, 01:39 PM
It's an odd phenomena - now that every ex-general gets a book deal and hits the lecture circuit, many look for a way to excuse themselves from blame for a war that isn't very popular. "Don't blame me, I tried, but they wouldn't listen."

I used to have a guy like that working for me. He often came to me or my boss with suggestions - and they would be rejected half the time. He could not accept the fact that his ideas were turned down. He dwelled on his little part of the project, and how it was made more difficult because we turned him down. That doesn't mean we didn't listen to him and carefully consider his ideas. But we have larger concepts and responsibilities to deal with than just his little piece of the pie - he couldn't (or wouldn't) wrap his head around that. So there he sat, stewing in his juices - with a built-in scapegoat for all his troubles.

I'm more than willing to consider that things could have been done better - maybe we should try things differently - and this guy is certainly entitled to his opinion - but I would consider ex-generals and anybody else with a personal, financial, or political stake in Iraq to be the last people to look to for an honest, unbiased assessment once they are "out" of the process. They are the ones with the most to gain from throwing others under the bus. Since anti-war types are also the most likely to buy their book or lionize them - they are doubly tempted to do it.

annihilation
04-13-2006, 01:47 PM
anybody else with a personal, financial, or political stake in Iraq to be the last people to look to for an honest, unbiased assessment once they are "out" of the process. They are the ones with the most to gain from throwing others under the bus.

You could say the samething about our president and vice president, well with the except of being "out" of the process. Though sometimes their soundbits do make it sound like they are not fully aware of the situation either.

demotivater
04-13-2006, 03:20 PM
Would they have preferred the Clinton administration?

Lt. James Anderson
04-13-2006, 05:04 PM
Would they have preferred the Clinton administration?

What's the difference? They are just as liberal (communist) as the Clinton administration. They are just as good at pussifing our country (especially the military) ...

There is no excuse.

remo williams
04-13-2006, 05:36 PM
2Sheds,I understand your example of the guy who's ideas weren't used,But I think you'd have to agree that at some point there's a fine line between honest rejection and marginalization. The latter happens quite frequently in the corporate arena which is where these guys have operated and thrived between their gov't office appointments. I am somewhat suspect that these generals didn't speak up before when they were in the position to effect change, but will now hoping to effect the same change. I'm sure the fees of publishing pensions and the talk circuit give more security for them to speak their peace,as oppposed to having their careers done in and have nothing. Still why speak out now and not then in unity if bad choices were made? Could things still have gotten to this point if this many high ranking generals were in opposition?

2Sheds_Jackson
04-13-2006, 06:15 PM
2Sheds,I understand your example of the guy who's ideas weren't used,But I think you'd have to agree that at some point there's a fine line between honest rejection and marginalization.

Absolutely - but outside of the meeting room who can tell where that is? Generals concern themselves with purely military matters, but the SECDEF has to function at a higher level, taking the administrations' political limitations into account. And, well of course there are people and opinions that richly deserve marginalization. Like the crazy general in the corner who's response to everything is "nuke 'em!".

Here's where I'm coming from.
· The SECDEF's job is to implement the Administrations policies in the DoD.
· In a democracy, those policies must have just as much to do with political realties as they do with military effectiveness.
· Generals want to do things in a way which conclude the fighting ASAP, with the fewest casualties on our side - but that is not the objective of conflict. It's certainly a secondary objective, but not the primary objective.
· That sucks.
· I think a lot of generals fail to asses a lot of factors external to the conflict which those in charge cannot afford to disregard.
· As a result, they have a simplistic view, and get mad at the SECDEF for implementing policies which they see as taking too long, not being effective enough etc.

I don't like functioning as a Rumsfeld or Bush cheerleader - I'm not perfectly happy with either of them - nor would I be with anybody. But it just seems very simplistic to lay it all at their feet. There is an enemy in the field, after all, who would still be using all their cunning and brutality to fight us no matter how we decided to do it.

remo williams
04-13-2006, 07:32 PM
· The SECDEF's job is to implement the Administrations policies in the DoD.
· In a democracy, those policies must have just as much to do with political realties as they do with military effectiveness.
· Generals want to do things in a way which conclude the fighting ASAP, with the fewest casualties on our side - but that is not the objective of conflict. It's certainly a secondary objective, but not the primary objective.
I'm a little confused at this point and this is why. It was my observation that the general attitude was that with all the smart bombs and shock and awe,along with them bypassing the deployed brigades and cities in the initial push to Bagdad was done to minimize casualties and end the conflict quickly. If this is true,then by Rumsfeld's decision to not incerase the number of troops, he defeated that when it came time to hold the cities.
· That sucks.
· I think a lot of generals fail to asses a lot of factors external to the conflict which those in charge cannot afford to disregard.
In this case it seems the opposite is true.
· As a result, they have a simplistic view, and get mad at the SECDEF for implementing policies which they see as taking too long, not being effective enough etc.
In this case,things went too quickly for them to properly plan ahead. Especially for the eventual insurgency, which intel was reporting we had been by passing on the way to Baghdad.
I don't like functioning as a Rumsfeld or Bush cheerleader - I'm not perfectly happy with either of them - nor would I be with anybody. But it just seems very simplistic to lay it all at their feet. There is an enemy in the field, after all, who would still be using all their cunning and brutality to fight us no matter how we decided to do it.

Agreed, but it appears as though Rumsfeld has somewhat handicapped our ability to deal with that enemy. Be it out of fiscal concern or underestimation, it's done. it's a question now of what's the magic number for someone to get things wrong before they should hit the bench. For our troops, I'm sure it's not more than once.