Chinese Infantry Sniper in Estonia

[Redford]

With their Type 98 5.8mm rifle
http://www.hackbuteer.com//Picture/Forum/200308170432136511303927109.jpg


http://dpwq.myrice.com/milpic/cnbbttc.jpg

[Redford]

http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-qqCbsbtt$n.jpg


http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-p7mlQdgAPO.jpg


http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-ZASL3sgi6R.jpg


http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-6mbtOM!NV5.jpg

[stuntman]

Whats with the m81 woodland camo? I mean chinease people are very smart cant they get there own camo?

[Merik]

Not only that but it looks like an American with the blue hat on in one of the pics.What the hech is going on?

[papabear]

Thanks for the pics!

[Redford]

Whats with the m81 woodland camo? I mean chinease people are very smart cant they get there own camo?

Hi stuntman, paste some more pics of Chinese woodland parka, from the detail view u can find it's difference with m81

http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-In$thcJP7q.jpg

http://photos.gznet.com/photos/1099432/1099432-oEJmf1Kj3e.jpg

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6845.jpg

[Redford]

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6847.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6838.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6841.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6842.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6851.jpg

[Redford]

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6857.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadam_6858.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadamsina_6879.jpg
http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/jadamsina_6880.jpg

The SWAT use the same rifle as the scouts

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_297/myphotos/lm1977119_119835.jpg

[Merik]

I seriously hope that that is not a real woman in that one picture :cantbeli:

[Redford]

I seriously hope that that is not a real woman in that one picture :cantbeli:

take it easy Merik, that "lady" is just another scout with mask, he play a injured grandmama

[CoolHandPuke]

Redford, whats the original source of your sig?

"I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love."

[virtualpender]

Redford - what is the story behind these photos? You have really piqued my curiousity.

[virtualpender]

Oh, and a minor correction - the sniper rifle is the KBU88 and the bullpup assault rifle is the QBZ95. Both fire the Chinese 5.8x42mm round.

Thanks again, Redford.

[zman]

If I remember correctly, it was an international competition last year or 01 for recon units

[stuntman]

your right i took a closer look and it looks like a bad copy of m81 woodland!

[peoplesliberationarmy]

No. That uniform is designed by English. Only use for the Chinese Commando troops. It not about the m81's business.

[paulbo]

If I remember correctly, it was an international competition last year or 01 for recon units

:P P.S. Chinese won the No. 1 in this competition.

Chinese military now use their own uniform and equipment much more than 20 years ago , especialy in Infantry. It doesn't like those small countrys which always buy from Russia or USA. Chinese does buy weapons from Russia, but it's a good deal with them, Russia is very poor now...they sell everything u want if u have money... :lol:

[koster]

yeah, and you copy our designs, and then say that you've made it.......pidarasi.....

P.S. is it just me, or the front sight on that QBZ95 is too freakin high then the back one???

[peoplesliberationarmy]

yeah, and you copy our designs, and then say that you've made it.......pidarasi.....

P.S. is it just me, or the front sight on that QBZ95 is too freakin high then the back one???
Those uniform designed by English.
Other uniform designed by Chinese.
None of them copy from US.
Is this clear?

[koster]

I meant RUSSIAN, not US, I wasnt even talking about US, nor this camo...


BTW, I thaught Chenese government doesnt allow its citezens to use INTERNET, not wisit US websites.....

[Seraphim]

You allowed to use the internet...only some sites you cant go on such as CNN or Amnesty International.

[peoplesliberationarmy]

I meant RUSSIAN, not US, I wasnt even talking about US, nor this camo...


BTW, I thaught Chenese government doesnt allow its citezens to use INTERNET, not wisit US websites.....
You from stone ages? China got more than 23million people use net...and ...If we can not log on us website, how can I be here?
Cowboy...you knew less about east world. :petting:

[REMOV]

If we can not log on us website, how can I be here?
PLA, You haven't got an foggiest idea of how Internet works, have You? ;)

If you write an address of web site in window of your browser, your computer send some kind of question to remote server. In this question there are, among other things, your computer IP address (for example 210.5.12.12 (http://210.5.12.12/)), and its location. This question is also saved by your Chinese Internet provider, in files so called "logs". All your international and domestic connections are recorded, regardless of your're logged on some web site or not.

But I have got a question to You, about new Chinese ammo - 5,8 x 42mm DPB87. I cannot find its history and parameters (photos, data about muzzle energy, velocity, bullet types etc.), so maybe You could help me?

[peoplesliberationarmy]

5.8mm ammo?
I knew less about them. I serviced in armor troops. We use type 81 rifles.
You should ask a chinese marine or paratrooper about type 95 or QJY-88.

[The Kop]

http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/200352014492935288.jpg

[Seraphim]

Nice pic....who are they?

[budanski]

Judging from "The Kop's" profile, Hong Kong :D

[kutter]

Those guys are not from Hong Kong. The fact that their using type 95 rifles (and one guy is using a what looks like a type 85 subgun) makes it more likely that they are a SWAT-type unit in the People's Armed Police (PAP). Plus the gentleman in the middle is wearing the type 95 camouflage while its more likely you'll see the HK SDU in British DPM.

[M1A2U2]

the camo is prob just a cheap copy of the US one made in China rofl

[Seiyuuki]

With regard to the picture posted by "The Kop," what type of gun is the guy in the second row, far left, carrying?

[Tiger]

What the hell are chinese soldiers doing in Estonia?

[Seraphim]

Tiger if you actually looked on the first page you would know.

[Tiger]

Oops sorry... ;)

[SOG]

Redford, whats the original source of your sig?

"I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love."

http://www.bartleby.com/148/3.html

[lefador1]

Those uniform designed by English.
Other uniform designed by Chinese.
None of them copy from US.
Is this clear?

rofl They are not only copies of woodland, but they are bad copies at that...

[kutter]

With regard to the picture posted by "The Kop," what type of gun is the guy in the second row, far left, carrying?

Its a type 85 submachine gun.
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/submachine_79.asp

[Seiyuuki]

Thank you

[bobdakilla]

hey can u guys speak chinese

if so tell me some stuff

[Haiw]

zhon guo = chinese for china... its all i know :)

[The Kop]

American soldiers sing alone during exercise, do PLA have their own song to sing alone to? (I am not talking about those music which perform on stage)

cheers

[dugdug]

I know Cantonese..

[TacoDelRio]

Seeing China's kind of new 5.8mm ammo, brought up a question within my idle mind.

Does China manufacture and issue MATCH QUALITY ammo to its snipers? (Like the US Military, IE M24 rifle and M118 Ball)

I'm curious, as China never really occured to me to be an "innovator" in firearms technology. (this is in no way to be construed as an insult to you PLA members)

Thanks for any feedback. p-)

[Redford]

some more pics of 2003 erna raid

http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/27/20030813/18688/18688.jpg

http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/27/20030813/18688/19303.jpg

[Redford]

after 3 monthes' basic training, a PLA solider have to pass the exam of totally dismentle his Type 95 refile in 5 mins

[TacoDelRio]

3 months? What do they cover? Party doctrine?

"Dismantling" or field stripping the M16A2 can be typically finished in about 2 minutes, 30 seconds, as far as I've seen.

Nice photos guys. Keep 'em goin'!

[paulbo]

:P That's why u always failed....

[paulbo]

REMOV:don't pretend u know lots of stuff about IT :P, cause we do know those theorys since we were in high school....

and u thought ur track on internet won't be recorded by ur government? all those 3 letters org did same thing to u....if they don't do it just because u r useless to them... :P

[Jack Mehoff]

5.8mm ammo?
I knew less about them. I serviced in armor troops. We use type 81 rifles.
You should ask a chinese marine or paratrooper about type 95 or QJY-88.

Damn son, don't you know that the Chinese government controls the internet in China? It means that they-the goverment only allow the Chinese with internet access go to certain websites in the World Wide Web :bash: I believe this site is one of them. You are obviously an internet newbie :bash:

United States goverment doesn't control the internet in America because we have a thing call "freedom of speech". I can go to ANY websites I want as long as it existed of course.

[paulbo]

:P If u know a little about internet, u should know internet is not possible to be controled....we have so many way to get to those website. We do know the problem of our government, they try to control our life, but it's chaning...it can not last too long... actually we learned so many things from western world, we won't be like 20 years ago any more.

Ur government says u have the freedom of speech, sure...do u have any kind of public Chinese channel on TV? Besides CNN, do u have any way to know how are we living? u have no idea...am i right? I know so many things about ur society, history and so on, but u know what?

[Jack Mehoff]

:P If u know a little about internet, u should know internet is not possible to be controled....we have so many way to get to those website. We do know the problem of our government, they try to control our life, but it's chaning...it can not last too long... actually we learned so many things from western world, we won't be like 20 years ago any more.

Ur government says u have the freedom of speech, sure...do u have any kind of public Chinese channel on TV? Besides CNN, do u have any way to know how are we living? u have no idea...am i right? I know so many things about ur society, history and so on, but u know what?

Yes we do. It's call satellite-high-tech cable or whatever. It's suppose to pick up like 500-1000 channels around the WORLD. But it's expensive like hell though. If not, there are about 100 channels through cable if you willingly to pay 80 bucks or whatever a month. We also have BBC, which is British news. You can get BBC if you have a TV. Trust me, there are more news channel than CNN.

You see, unlike China, news providers(FOX, CNN, TNN, BBC, ABC, NBC, etc.) here in USA are NOT CONTROL by the government. It's call "freedom of the press"

Oh yeah, when was the last time any Chinese people speak against your government without getting shot? We have a **** load of Americans here speak against our President and our country all the time. Celebrities like Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Johny Depp and just to name a few. We don't shoot them for practicing their freedom of speech.

[REMOV]

..a little bit off topic discussion, but I cannot refrain from answer.


Ur government says u have the freedom of speech, sure...do u have any kind of public Chinese channel on TV? Sure, in my home I've got a dish aimed at Astra/Hotbird satellite, so I can receive about three or four Chinese channels. Where's big deal? ;)

Besides CNN, do u have any way to know how are we living?Ypu know CNN it isn't one and only TV broadcaster. Particulary in Europe.

u have no idea...am i right?I afraid not ;)

I know so many things about ur society, history and so onHmm... I don't think so.

But I heard that my compatriot is very popular person in China. A woman, Nobel prize winner, chemist :D

[superpeltor]

Jack Mehoff, paulbo was just describing current situation about his country. My country (South Korea) had partial control over media up 'til early 80s. And we're not even communist country! MOST American don't know much about Asian countries. On the other hand, in most Asian countries, they know a lot about America's history, language, culture, and so on. Don't give me wrong idea, I LIVE in US, and I have been last 10 years excluding 3 years of mandatory service with Korean Army. I love this country! It is just sad to see a lot of American doesn't know what the heck is going on other part of the country.

China (mainland) is doing as good as they can accepting free-enterprise into their system. It just takes time as paulbo mentioned... Look at how big of country China is...

and so much for tv station debate.... We all have internet... Anyone can get anything (information wise)

have a good day,

[Jack Mehoff]

Jack Mehoff, paulbo was just describing current situation about his country. My country (South Korea) had partial control over media up 'til early 80s. And we're not even communist country! MOST American don't know much about Asian countries. On the other hand, in most Asian countries, they know a lot about America's history, language, culture, and so on. Don't give me wrong idea, I LIVE in US, and I have been last 10 years excluding 3 years of mandatory service with Korean Army. I love this country! It is just sad to see a lot of American doesn't know what the heck is going on other part of the country.

China (mainland) is doing as good as they can accepting free-enterprise into their system. It just takes time as paulbo mentioned... Look at how big of country China is...

and so much for tv station debate.... We all have internet... Anyone can get anything (information wise)

have a good day,

Really? I lived in Vietnam for a year since my mom is Vietnamese and my dad is caucasian American. Trust me, I can write and read Vietnamese better than most native Vietnamese in the USA eventhough I'm American by birth. Yeah, I don't know anything about communist country in Asia.

[superpeltor]

okay, my fault...

I said most, not everyone. But there is a few exceptions. I am not trying to ignore all the americans out there. If it sounded that way. I am sorry

[SOG]

:P If u know a little about internet, u should know internet is not possible to be controled....we have so many way to get to those website. We do know the problem of our government, they try to control our life, but it's chaning...it can not last too long... actually we learned so many things from western world, we won't be like 20 years ago any more.

cool, glad to hear it, sucks to be oppressed in any way.


Ur government says u have the freedom of speech, sure...do u have any kind of public Chinese channel on TV? Besides CNN, do u have any way to know how are we living? u have no idea...am i right? I know so many things about ur society, history and so on, but u know what?

sure, we even have some japanese and chiniese channels on digital cable and even more on satelite. cant watch em for **** though since there in another language but i do find the japanese and chinese music videos rip roaring hilarious. then theres always public television KPBS and discovery, travel channel, tlc etc that cover much of the doings and histories of asia current and past. then we get tons of news channels incuding brit ones and with satelite you pick up way more. god sumo wrastling is a hoot to watch. then throw in world wide internet sites covering everything and who needs tv?

[paulbo]

:fork: :fork: :fork: F-U-C-K-I-N-G hell.....my girlfriend just shut down my computer by mistake... and erased all i wrote.....


Well, well....calm now... :(


Sure, i never forget what my government did in 1989, and how many people died in Culture Revoultion, my grandfather included!!! Even now, i was warned severl times by whatever government department just because what i post on the Chinese forum, and some of my friends were asked to go to local PD to describe what they post on the website... but that is unbelievable in past 30 years, even 10 years, we r chaning as i said before, we r doing better... i mean as all of u see, i'm here nothing bad, they can't anything to me now!

superpeltor, Thank you for ur explaination. well big is not our advantage at all, the biggest population is our biggest problem :) . 130 millian people, that' not funny, nobody likes it, but we have to face to it anyway!

Jack Mehoff, u know vietnamese but nothing else, so what? NOTHING at all, i'm thinking u might be a very good translator for those business people, they r helping vietnamese to develop their country, Vietnam now knows what they should do! :lol:

And, i welcome all of u to my country, and i will be very glad to see the friends from world! U will see what is happening here.

[peoplesliberationarmy]

I left a long time for training, looks some problem here.
China now turning to an open country.....by the ways. welcome come for a travelling....you will find out what is China like.

[Jack Mehoff]

Jack Mehoff, u know vietnamese but nothing else, so what? NOTHING at all, i'm thinking u might be a very good translator for those business people, they r helping vietnamese to develop their country, Vietnam now knows what they should do!


Like I said, I LIVED in Vietnam under the communist for a year. So trust me, I know the difference between living under the communist and the democracy world.

[uspdude]

HAS anyone here got any infomation about this competition?.... cos from what i've heard, the International Recon Competition is for the Reservist and war junky around the world......

[Russian Texan]

How did Marine Recon do?

[Saranof]

Jack Mehoff, u know vietnamese but nothing else, so what? NOTHING at all, i'm thinking u might be a very good translator for those business people, they r helping vietnamese to develop their country, Vietnam now knows what they should do!


Like I said, I LIVED in Vietnam under the communist for a year. So trust me, I know the difference between living under the communist and the democracy world.

Actually, from a social and economic view, there has never been a communist country.
I can call myself delta. Dosn't make me one.