ETA or Al-Quaeda

[rafaelcb]

There are at present 2 hypothesis of who is responsible for the bombs in Spain.

Al-Quaeda:
a) A van has been found with 4 detonators and a tape in Arabic.
b) In London someone has claimed responsability for the bombs in the name of Al-Quaeda.
c) The date of the attack: 11-March ..... 11-September

In favour of ETA responsability:
a) The tape in Arabic is intended for teaching of Arabic. An Arab does not need this kind of tape at all.
b) Up to 4 times in the past weeks the police has aborted bombings in Madrid. Last week a van loaded with 500 Kg of explosives was stopped by the Guardia Civil.
c) There were some additional bombs set-up as traps for policemen or rescue team. This is a very typical ETA tactic.
d) Al-Quaeda has never threatened Spain directly and can perfectly claim responsability for publicity reasons.
e) Previous Al-Quaeda attacks were perpetrated by suicide bombers. Not this one.
f) The letter in London talks about 1 train, but a total of 3 trains contained bombs
g) Spanish anti-terrorist sources said the explosive used in the attacks on four commuter trains was of a kind habitually used by ETA.
h) The claim by the Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri last year to have been responsible for the widespread power blackout in the Northeast USA and Canada last Aug. 14 was discredited.
i) The date of the Attack. We'll have general elections next sunday, and ETA has always attacked before an election

Whoever did it, they will pay this crime. :( Thanks to all for you condolences.
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[mustamato]

Why not both. I don´t really get it why ETA would do something like this, it´s
not exactly raising any sympathies for their cause. But well, then again, I don´t
think most Spaniards had any anyway, so maybe some hardcore fraction of ETA
have decided that enough is enough. The two ETA-terrorists arrested with 500 kg
of explosives a couple of days ago were both quite young, maybe the ETA of the
21th century has shown its face.

As for Al-Qaida, well, it seems that most Spaniards doesn´t really support Aznars
US-friendly policy, wasn´t it like 90% that was against the war? But still the country
is a close ally to US, so hitting them hard has kind of a symbolic value.

[Kellhound]

Let's recall some facts:

Half an hour after bomb, Basque government critizes ETA for trying to divide basques.
Then ETA's political arm denied responsability.

Interior minister says he has no doubt it was ETA.
At evening is found a van with detonators and a comercially available koranic teaching tape. A pistol was mentioned at first too, but not anymore.
Then, interior minister says they don't ignore any posible thread of investigation.

Almost 12 hours after the bombings!!! this small group under al-Qaeda claims responsability by email (maybe they sent it from a veeeery slow computer).
A while ago some British official say islamic claim to be probably false.




So maybe, when i woke up tomorrow and get to the base, we'll know who did it (I hope).



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[RomanS]

al-queda gets my vote

on the scale of attack like this, ETA just doesnt come to mind.

I'm sure ben laden was looking for a target in Europe that hasn't been used before, and has something to do with crusade.

Who ever did it, eat ****, go to hell, and get raped by satan with a pineapple. Just like hitler in Little nicky

[EYE SPY]

i think mustamato has a plausible argument

Why wouldnt ETA and Al-Qaida work together.

I mean the Baader Meinhoff Gang along with the PLO(im not sure) worked together to get all those olympic athletes.

Whose to say Al-Qaida did not pay off some ETA subcommander to stray from the new ETA party line and contract out an operation for their customer?

[UkrainianAmerican]

al-queda gets my vote

on the scale of attack like this, ETA just doesnt come to mind.

I'm sure ben laden was looking for a target in Europe that hasn't been used before, and has something to do with crusade.

Who ever did it, eat ****, go to hell, and get raped by satan with a pineapple. Just like hitler in Little nicky
Yeah, hitler sure acquired a large asshole after THAT pineapple.
O yeah, and Alqaeda did this.

[RomanS]

In an audiotape released in October, a voice purported to be Osama bin Laden threatened countries that are helping the American occupation of Iraq.

"We reserve the right to respond at the appropriate time and place against all the countries participating in this unjust war, particularly Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy," the voice said.

[UkrainianAmerican]

In an audiotape released in October, a voice purported to be Osama bin Laden threatened countries that are helping the American occupation of Iraq.

"We reserve the right to respond at the appropriate time and place against all the countries participating in this unjust war, particularly Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy," the voice said.
NO WAY!
Saddam is the biggest enemy of alqaeda!
[/antiwar hippie mode off]

[SeanAshi]

It seems that Al Qaeda has declared war on the entire world.

[Parzival]

I've Heard Al Quado has take responsibility for the attack.

[Midtown]

thats what Im hearing too.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

www.ft.com has an interesting article on today's carnage in Spain and it was this speculation that caught my eye.

The news of a possible link to al-Qaeda*led to a*sell-off of Wall Street stocks, with the Dow Jones industrial average dropping more than 150 points during the afternoon, while the US dollar fell against the euro.
Maybe someone out there knows something that we as yet are not privy to, some people on the trading floors are remarkably well connected.

[wholagun]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4502950/ artilce talking about how islamic tapes were found in a van with detonators and such..
have a look

:bash: islamic terrorits. I hope the EU will finally start taking this seriously. No one is immune from this .

[Loco]

The two ETA-terrorists arrested with 500 kg
of explosives a couple of days ago were both quite young, maybe the ETA of the
21th century has shown its face.

As for Al-Qaida, well, it seems that most Spaniards doesn´t really support Aznars
US-friendly policy, wasn´t it like 90% that was against the war? But still the country
is a close ally to US, so hitting them hard has kind of a symbolic value.
There´re Eta´s terrorists able of doing a kind of crime like that, for them 200 deads it would be like climbing Everest in the winter, a great achievement. Contrary to what many forum members can think, Eta has killed usually civilians, in parkings, in hotels, in buildings, etc. The first civilian massacre commited by Eta was as early as 1976, when democracy was borning in Spain, when they bombed a café full of people near Puerta del Sol, in downtown Madrid. The strange thing to me is that Eta always had, even in its madness, a good sense of timing, they know the best date for killing, as an example they try to bomb the Chamartin Station(North Madrid) in Christsmas, but they usually measured their acts: killing 200 people for them is only a problem if they consider world public opinion will be against them, in anyway it´s a question of remorses, and just now the world tolerance against terrorist of any kind is 0. Then, 200 deads is too much, terrorists pretended even killing more people, they put 13 bombs in key points of the train and the Station. Other thing than that, Eta´s terrorists of today are unexpert people, they do their "job" very bad, there are many more terrorists in the jail than out of the jail, and the most experienced terrorists are veterans who couldn´t teach new generation of terrorists. The 2 terrorists caught last week were clearly stupid although evil. And this evening I´ve walked the streets, I was in a demonstration in Bilbao, but I live in a town close Bilbao and the "vibrations" I felt is that some bad boys are afraid of the huge number of deads, this time they don´t show defyant themselves, para los que me entiendan, aquí los pocos jarrai que se han dejado ver y demás parecen estar más acojonados que otra cosa, esto ha sido demasiado incluso para ellos. Perhaps it was an attack of Al Qaed because all these signs, I don´t know, but sooner than later we´ll know who commited that. In the other hand, it seems as if the explosive used today is the Tidadine stolen by Eta in France(a question to France: In Spain there´s more than 20 years that Eta can´t steal explosives, and don´t forget mon cherie francaises that many terrorists are born in France, so be more dilligents...), so I don´t know what to think. Anyway, this is a sad day, very sad

[Marmot1]

In an audiotape released in October, a voice purported to be Osama bin Laden threatened countries that are helping the American occupation of Iraq.

"We reserve the right to respond at the appropriate time and place against all the countries participating in this unjust war, particularly Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy," the voice said.
NO WAY!
Saddam is the biggest enemy of alqaeda!
[/antiwar hippie mode off]
he he permski exacty but not poland was mentioned... but Norway... we were laughing in poland about this since norway was not involved in iraq... and aperently they intended to put poland on the list instead of norway but some Al-Qaida retard mistaken poland and norway....

[George W. Bush]

Well I was thinking that France would get hit by bombs for the veil thing. That would knock some sense into them.

I hope the investigation goes well. These Islamist terrorist types never have all their ducks in a row.

[MARINO]

Now they said that the responsibility is from ETA all this clues are false.They pretend to confuse investigators.This comunicate is not the usual for Al-Qaeda, is not the way from Al-Qaeda.
For cooperation, impossible, ETA is marxist and separatist oragnisation, and Al-Qaeda is lamic terroris. But anyway is abad day .
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[Navy]

In Swedens largest net-paper they are saying that al-qaida has taken the responsibility in a letter sent to the arabic london-paper al-quds.

For you sweds out there, check this out: www.aftonbladet.se

[Sixgun Symphony]

If the ETA terrorists were working with Al Qaida, then I think they would have a need for the Arab language tapes.

Of course it is really sloppy to leave such evidence. Maybe it was planted so as to throw off the investigation?

[MARINO]

But is a tape from Coran learning anytinhg about american dog and friend, any declaration, anything like that.....

[Flagg]

My sympathies go out to our Spanish forum members......

Hopefully, once things settle down you'll be able to provide our forum with a unique, local perspective on the facts related to this horrible attack...rather than the senseless speculation going on at the moment

[Pointman17]

Please excuse my ignorance. Obviously, ETA is a terrorist group, please tell me what the letters stand for. :bash:

[Luxembourger]

As for Al-Qaida, well, it seems that most Spaniards doesn´t really support Aznars
US-friendly policy, wasn´t it like 90% that was against the war? But still the country
is a close ally to US, so hitting them hard has kind of a symbolic value.

IT does not matter whether any european nation in Europe supports the US or not , any european country, even those who did not support the US are on the list of those Arab fanatics who right now are on war with many nations , israel, european nations , USA, india, israel etc.....

The problem is really not who supports or who does not support the US is a target.......everyone that is western or that does not share those fanatical views of those arab terrorist is a target!


I guess now you can hear already voices in Europe like " it s the spaniards´ fault that this happend,,,,,they supported the US now they payed the price"

those people who pretend such a crap are again those lradical left monkeys.

[Haiw]

I guess now you can hear already voices in Europe like " it s the spaniards´ fault that this happend,,,,,they supported the US now they payed the price"

those people who pretend such a crap are again those lradical left monkeys.
You been getting high on Sixguns crack?

[rafaelcb]

More and more it seems that ETA is responsible: The explosives are 'Titadyne', a kind of dynamite of which ETA stole large amounts in France a few years ago.
From CNN.com: "But intelligence sources have consistently told CNN that Abu Hafs al-Masri does not speak for al Qaeda, and there is a question about whether it exists at all beyond one person with a computer and a fax machine.

For example, the group took responsibility for the U.S. power blackout last summer, a claim that was completely bogus.

Just last week, Abu Hafs al-Masri claimed al Qaeda was not behind a car bombing in Iraq that many intelligence officials believe was the work of an al Qaeda-related group."

There are apparently quite a few foreign workers among the victims: Ecuador, Poland, Romania....

[Luxembourger]

You been getting high on Sixguns crack?

I said RADICAL left

by the way I was in a left socialist youth group when I was young,,,I got disapointed with that crap they tried to brainwash you with.so I left,

The only left party I would vote for would be in Germany or UK.
moderate left yes..........radical left no!

I hope I did not offend you

[Haiw]

Well I'm no radical leftie, but no group, however right or left would say "it's their own fault". 190 civilians died... it usually makes people show some respect.

[Miles Teg]

a question to France: In Spain there´s more than 20 years that Eta can´t steal explosives, and don´t forget mon cherie francaises that many terrorists are born in France, so be more dilligents...)

What does it mean? We haven't arrest and kill enough ETA activist?
Last year no less than 50 arrest


FOUR MEN suspected of belonging to independence organization Basque ETA were challenged at the beginning of week in the south-west of France. The two first, that Spain regards as "high persons in charge" for the organization, were stopped Monday February 9 with Oriolles (Charente) after having forced a customs control. They rolled on board a van transporting 32 kg of explosives as various weapons. Shine Enrique Garate Galarza, 46 years, required in Spain for its participation supposed in five assassinations and a removal, and Ibon Elorrieta Sanz, 27 years, condemned by contumacy by French justice to five years of prison for membership to a terrorist company, were placed in police custody in Angouleme. The two other men were challenged Wednesday 11 in an apartment of Limoges and also placed in police custody. One of them is sought by the Spanish justice, which suspects it of having taken part in four attacks in 2003.
Le monde, 13/02/2004

Please, the problem of steal of explosive is new for us, and in other aspect we made effort for several years. You can't say it's not our problem too.
Cheer up, if it's ETA, we know majority of them hide in France, we will find them and help you to find them. Don't have any doubt about our motivation.

[Luxembourger]

Well I'm no radical leftie, but no group, however right or left would say "it's their own fault". 190 civilians died... it usually makes people show some respect.

I persoannaly wtinessed radical left groups saying after 9/11 that is was their own fault and that the americans deserved those attacks.

[Haiw]

Well I'm no radical leftie, but no group, however right or left would say "it's their own fault". 190 civilians died... it usually makes people show some respect.

I persoannaly wtinessed radical left groups saying after 9/11 that is was their own fault and that the americans deserved those attacks.
There were some then, but all Spain has done now is show political support and send just over a thousand guys...like a lot of countries did. Basically Spain is 'just a supporter' and not a primary actor. So even the most ultra-liberals would consider Spain mostly a victim.

If they'd do otherwise...well... I have a feeling they better not hope for a lotta respect or they're in for a big dissapointment.

[cut]

both al-quaeda and ETA have denied the attack was by them apparently.

I think we would hear from Al-Quaeda if it was them though.

[Lobo]

ETA is a terrorist group, please tell me what the letters stand for

ETA means Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna that is Basque for "Basque Country and Freedom".

[usa320]

I think the possibilty of this being carried out by ETA with Al Queda's expertise is the most likely scenario. I mean the sheer complexity of this attack makes past attacks by the basque seperatists look no where near as bad.

Between the van and ****, and the complexity of the attack, the motive i think it points to at least some involvement from Al Queda.

Remember, Terrorism should never be narrowed down to one specific person or group.

Terrorism is one big shady worldwide network of guns, money and people.

Al Queda, the IRA, the Basque Seperatists, Narco Terrorists in Colombia, Communist and muslim terrorists in the former soviet republics and southeast asia, ARmed paramilitary groups in South America and gangs and thugs in Africa. They are all linked, they all do business with eachother. Not to mention countries like Iran and North Korea, Libya and before last year Iraq were doing business wtih them as well.

I think right now one of our best weapons against terror is money, and our ability to block its exchange. The swiss need to go screw themselves. Swiss bank accounts are great for millionare's to safely store their cash, but when it comes down to someone's financial privacy and saving lives from terrorism, there should be no choice at all.

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sun article pointing towards al qaida

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004112670,00.html

ETA and the IRA have always been very close turning up at each others rallies and so on

[elguapo]

Al quaeda, ETA, it's all the same ****. It's all one big cancer that feeds off drugs, corruption and religious lunatics donations.

All those terrorists are connected to drugs, like ETA that sells "services" to various criminal groups around the world including the Colombian FARC and the Thalibans that funded Bin Laden with opium.

On a side note here's Bin Laden's words from 2001. Just gives a sense of the depths of his insanities trying to avenge a 500 year defeat.
Did Spain really had a choice? Who declared war on who?

If this is not a war against Christianity I don't know what it is....


"Let the whole world know that we shall never accept that the tragedy of Andalusia be repeated in Palestine," Osama bin Laden said in his taped cave-side address. "We cannot accept that Palestine will become Jewish."
The allusion to Andalusia evidently refers to the Christian re-conquest of Spain from Muslims in 1492, when Ferdinand and Isabella led the Spanish forces in seizing control of the glorious Moorish palace of Alhambra, a turning point in the drive to expel the Moors from the European continent.

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[Midav]

First of all RIP to all the victims.

It's a sad day.

Now, evidence is indicating this may have come from Muslim extremists.

Let's see what happenes.

Now, my question is this.

Attack after attack after attack... how many more attacks will be needed until people and governments will finally understand who and what these militants stand for, finally stand united shoulder to shoulder, and hunt these militants down?

If not people, then it's ancient statues and symbols that they destroy.

How much longer?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think its very unlikely that Al-Q would hook up with any non Islamic group to carry out an action and this operation is not beyond their capabilities as they have demonstrated in the 911 was after all a well planned operation. As for ETA being responsible I think its to early to as yet unless of course they admit it, there is one point that sticks in mind about previous Al-Q attacks is that they did not admit responsibility until well after the attack.

[Nizark]

This is almost surely al queda. Multiple bombs going off at about the same time, massive casualities, and a local terror group with a motive to set it off. Just like with the synagog bombings in turkey, people were saying it was the 'near east islamic raiders' because they were the local group, but with this new tape, AQ took responcibility for that attack. When the UN was hit in Iraq, some group called something like 'muhammad's hand' claimed responcibility, but once again it was AQ. As for the subway bombing in Russia a month ago, they have been saying it was chechyans, but it was probably AQ again.

AQ's M-O seems to be to hit a target in a US allied county in a area of that country that has some kind of seperatist movement going on. If there is some big bombing in the UK, and it is close to Ireland, how much u wanna bet that a "rebel faction of the IRA" will be the ones blamed until AQ comes out with a tape.

Otherwise, RIP

[OldRecon]

In an audiotape released in October, a voice purported to be Osama bin Laden threatened countries that are helping the American occupation of Iraq.

"We reserve the right to respond at the appropriate time and place against all the countries participating in this unjust war, particularly Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy," the voice said.
NO WAY!
Saddam is the biggest enemy of alqaeda!
[/antiwar hippie mode off]
he he permski exacty but not poland was mentioned... but Norway... we were laughing in poland about this since norway was not involved in iraq... and aperently they intended to put poland on the list instead of norway but some Al-Qaida retard mistaken poland and norway....

Well
1) Don't think Osama like the Oslo peace accord.
2) We've had military assets helping the coalition in the fight against Al Qaida/Afghanistan (a SPEC/OPS unit and a squadron of F-16's)
3) We have a leading figure for Ansar al Islam here that we have some legal difficulty with having expelled (the fact that one of those witnessing against him on the ground in Northern Iraq had done so "down there" under torture not exactly strengthening the case of our government :().
Btw researchers on Islamic extremism here have sort of waited for Al Qaida to raise its uggly head in Spain for at least a year now.
Seems Qaida to a certain extent have been able to infiltrate and hide among the community of illegal immigrants in the area.
Besides Al Qaida don't care about "small fry" actions and like to show off and go "big".
Don't think cooperation between ETA (or elements within ETA) and Qaida is that far out an idea either.
After all from a cultural perspective, PIRA and Qadaffi would not naturaly come to mind as bedfellows. Yet PIRA got many arms through Libya back in the 80's.
By any account though those actions in Madrid are sickening.
My condolences to all the dead and wounded from this and their families.

[fdt]

Summary of the news provided to public at the moment (I don't give the sources because I was listening to so many of them yeast that i don't remember who said what):

1. Organization: There were 10 blasts in 3 separate places. One may assume that there should be at least 3 groups of terrorists, consisting of at least 10 people in total (10 charges x 10 kg of explosives each),

2. Targeting: Aim of the terrorists was to kill as many people as they could. Not any govt or security forces targetted deliberately.

3. Aim: To spread the fear. No conditions or demands were issued neither prior neither after the attacks.

3. No warning of any kind.

4. Explosives used: similar to used by ETA, probably the dynamite kind as stolen from the french mine (the same?)

5. Fuses used similar or identical (?) to those used by ETA

6. ****y traps aimed against bomb squads, typical ETA tactics of fighting the law enforcement officers.

7. Koran and fuses (same as used in attack?) found in a van parked at one of the railway stations which the trains departed of.

8. Letter to London based newspaper claiming the Abu Hafs al-Masri Group responisbility (how credible?) that claimed also the responsibility for the Istambul attack and the blackout in USA.

9. Swift denial of ETA political wing.

We have now 3 suspects:
- ETA
- Abu Hafs al-Masri Group (that seems to be ideologically linked to Al-Quaeda but the eventual details of eventual real co-operation are not known to public)
- Al-Quaeda itself, that is using the "ready" terrorist cells or sending the "operatives" to the target country where they use the local resources and religious organizations to get the materials and recruit the "aiders" for the particular plan execution

Re 1. ETA and AQ both could have the capability to do that, AHMG probably (?) not.
Re 2. Typical AQ targetting, no doubt about it (possible change of ETA tactics?)
Re 3. Typical AQ aim. No demands, no responsibility claimed. ETA usually demanded smth in return to stopping the violence.
Re 4 ETA stocks were the source of materials, it's almost sure.
Re 5 as above
Re 6 again as above with possible know how on such particular devices
Re 7 What was on the tape? News say that it was commercially available tape with Koran teachings... hmmm what particular part of Koran it was dealing? Could it be a "doping" befor the action?
Re 8 Abu Hafs al-Masri has already claimed everything except earthquakes... doubtful credibility of the statement
Re 9 Interesting case. ETA politicians calling his terrorists with q. "did U do it?" They might answer "NO" because there is a rift between political and terrorist wings, or... because they didn't do it. If they didn't do it it doesn't mean that they were not involved. There could be an silent agreement between some AQ representative and some "rebel" fraction or separate member (s?) of the ETA who could provide AQ the materials and know how for a good amount of cash. Additional income for ETA (or some private "rebel"... well ETA is known for it's close ties with mob) and the common enemy hit hard... a dream alliance on the private level.

For me it looks like the organization, some logistics and aims would point the fingers on AQ... but the modus operandi looks like ETA produced. There is a rift between those, that's why I think that mustamato may be right there can be an "unholy alliance" that we are dealing with here. Alliance of ETA (or some rebels of ETA) with AQ who is known not to take responsibility (9/11, Bali, Istanbul were not claimed seriously). The Abu Hafs al-Masri doesn't look here seriously...

If You have smth to add here pls, feel free to do it I might ommit some important issues.

[Schwabo Elite]

Well I don't know what to say, but I am not sure who did it.
I think it was Lobo who wrote a longer post (I couldn't understand much of the Spanish phrase though), about a possible cooperation and a pro/contra for both possible groups.

If I am informed correctly the explosives used point towards the ETA, but the ETA isn't what it use to be. Lobo is right when he sais that the ETA is by now a group of unexperienced, young people. The "heads" operate out of French south, mostly what used to be Basque speaking France (long ago) Gascoigne (spelling?), Labourd, Basse Navarre and Soule or they are in jail. The ETA as at its weakest, maybe they wanted to demonstrate that they are still "there" though bombings this huge did not yet happen, if I remember correctly.
Terrorism is never the right way to reach one's goals, even not when you want liberty for your people.

My best wishes and again condolences too every Spanish user here.

Viva!

SE

[Adri]

well no mater what terrorist group it was (al q, eta, ira, abdulah pikk en min)
they all should be sendt to prision (that is the worst thing, lif in prision is wors than death)

[Javehn]

well no mater what terrorist group it was (al q, eta, ira, abdulah pikk en min)
they all should be sendt to prision (that is the worst thing, lif in prision is wors than death)

Yes.
And you know what happends when you put terrorists into prisson ? They cocksucking brothers will make an attempts to make a kidnaps . Just like that . They would demand a release of the scums in one way or another . It's just a whormhole .

That's why the only policy against terrorism is toughest one , thing that many in here like to protest against . Well , unfortunatly in this timing , i think people would understand us more .

And the world would fight the terror scumbags . Spain , we are with you . No pasaran .

[Elmo]

Bring them to justice and put them to prison for the rest of their lifes, who ever they are.

[Kellhound]

I agree with fdt, good resume.

Add to it:
INTERPOL warned a possible radical change in ETA tactics.

Mostly autnomous commandos.

The Koranic tape was a normal one, easily available, and of no violent contents.

Abu Hafs al-Masri Group claimed it too many hours after the fact.

ETA has not denied still responsability. Only Batasuna (more or less its political arm) denied it in its first public adress, but NOT in the second one.

Maybe, as someone suggested yestrday, an unholy alliance, with A-Q money and ETA commandos?



Besaides politicians still try to maneuver for incoming elections.
Left wing says (wishes?) it was Al-Qaeda, right wing says (wishes?) for ETA.
:cantbeli:
Politicians...

[ibstolidude]

Why not both. I don´t really get it why ETA would do something like this, it´s
not exactly raising any sympathies for their cause. But well, then again,


Do you have NO understanding of ETA attacks in the past or the number of innocent people killed by their terror tactics?

Look at the number of people killed by ETA in the pat years.

[Kellhound]

More contradictory data:

Detonators seem to have ben built in Spain but never used by ETA before.

BUT explosive in the unexploded bomb was GOMA-2, used by ETA many times in the past.

BUT ETA states through newspaper GARA they didn't put the bombs.

BUT they denied too the Hypercor mall bombing (32 dead).

[fdt]

More contradictory data:

Detonators seem to have ben built in Spain but never used by ETA before.

BUT explosive in the unexploded bomb was GOMA-2, used by ETA many times in the past.

BUT ETA states through newspaper GARA they didn't put the bombs.

BUT they denied too the Hypercor mall bombing (32 dead). Have You heard any speculations about the possible suicide terrorist bomber involved in the case? Media here have announced that a private radio station in Madrid had made such a revelation claiming to be informed from within the "AT sources"? Hysterical BS or a serious info?

[Kellhound]

There are still some 50 unidentified corpses.
Rumor was a torso found away form the blast could have been carrying a bomb on its backpack, but nobody confirmed or denied it.

Still more rumour than fact.

With elections on sunday, government party keeps pointing to ETA, other parties to islamic terrorist, and some to an alliance between them.

I can't imagine ETA cooperating with Al-Qaeda, too diferent "ideals", and ETA will lose it's followers support.
But maybe bin-Laden is giving money or other support to any terrorist group (islamic or not) willing to attack everybody they are against.

[He219]

'Operation Death Trains' ...

'We have succeeded in infiltrating the heart of crusader Europe and struck one of the bases of the crusader alliance' ...

- Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades/Al Qaeda
Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1064248.htm)

Similar letters from the same brigade claimed responsibility on behalf of Al Qaeda for a November bombing of two synagogues in Turkey and the August bombing of the UN headquarters in Baghdad.


I did a bit of research on the Matamoros (http://www.starharbor.com/images/santang.gif) ...

'Santiago y cierra España'

[guitarwolf]

It's still very early in the investigation. This could take months or years to figure out. It'd be important to know how the cowards got
the bombs on the train. Was it a suicide attack or remote detonation?
Al Qaeda prefers suicide bombers. Still, they also prefer car/truck bombs to attack crowds/buildings (Turkey, Africa Embassy, African hotel) so this would be a different tactic.

I'm trying to figure out the van w/ the islamic tape and detonators.
Maybe it is a red herring: ETA wants us to think it was AQ. Then,
what would be the point? The bombing would spread chaos, but they couldn't brag about it.

[budanski]

My condolences to our spaniard allies.

Conspiracy theorists take note:
3/11 happened 911 days after 9/11 (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/557710.cms)