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04-19-2006, 05:18 PM
JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

Ivory Tower Stonewall
A 9/11 survivor asks Yale to explain why it admitted the Taliban Man.


The Wall Street Journal
Monday, April 3, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT


Katherine Bailey and her sister, Margaret Pothier, have a bone to pick with Yale President Richard Levin over his university's admission of a former Taliban official as a student. Mrs. Bailey lost her husband, Garnet "Ace" Bailey, on 9/11. Mr. Bailey, a hockey scout and former Boston Bruins star, was a passenger on United flight 175 when it slammed into the second World Trade Center tower.

Mrs. Bailey's sister, whose daughter graduated from Yale last year, has written Mr. Levin three times to demand an explanation. All she has gotten back is a single "form letter" that repeats the same vague 144-word response that has been Yale's sole statement on its Taliban Man for the past five weeks. "It's insulting and not at all brave," says Mrs. Bailey. Ms. Pothier is even more blunt: "Can't they see they are causing people pain and making it worse by ignoring our questions?"

http://opinionjournal.com/diary/040306ace.jpgIn the past month, Mrs. Bailey and Ms. Pothier have had to be painfully reminded of Ace Bailey's death twice. The first was when they both watched a live TV feed of the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker who was arrested a month before 9/11 and now has confessed to helping plot the attacks.

The second was when they learned that Yale had admitted Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, a 27-year-old former official of the Taliban, the murderous regime that harbored Osama bin Laden. Mr. Hashemi remains largely unrepentant about his involvement with the regime, whose remnants are still killing Americans. Last Wednesday brought word of the 139th U.S. soldier to be killed in combat at the hands of Taliban guerrillas, and yesterday, five U.S. soldiers were wounded when their armored vehicle struck a Taliban roadside bomb in Kunar province.

Mrs. Bailey feels an obligation to travel from her home in suburban Lynnfield, Mass., to a federal courtroom in Boston, where 9/11 families can watch the Moussaoui trial on closed-circuit television, so she can confront the evil that killed her husband. She says the courtroom scenes are chilling. "When prosecutors discuss how much he hates America, he turns around to face the camera he knows is broadcasting his trial to the victims' families," she told me. "He then pulls at his beard and vigorously shakes his head at us: 'Yes, yes.' "

Mrs. Bailey wishes all Americans could see what she's seen and hear Moussaoui's "blood curdling" testimony. "If the president of Yale and his officials could see the trial, perhaps they'd understand why people are upset and why they should find the courage to act on their Taliban student," she told me yesterday. "I only wish I could be sure they'd understand. They seem to want to stay inside their little bubble at Yale."

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Mrs. Bailey has tried to take a positive approach to the loss of Ace, her husband of 29 years. She now spends most of her time promoting the Ace Bailey Children's Foundation, which assists programs such as Tufts University's Floating Hospital for Children, which treats children with major medical conditions.


But the past keeps coming back to haunt her. On the morning of 9/11, she had dropped Ace off at Logan Airport so he could board his United flight to Los Angeles on a hockey scouting trip. She says that he tried to reach her three times from his cell phone after the plane had been hijacked. "I didn't have call waiting on my home phone then, so I missed his first two calls because I was talking to someone else," she recalls. Then, in what she assumes was desperation, her husband called her downstairs business phone. "I ran down to get it, but when I picked up the line it went dead. It was the precise moment that Flight 175 lost contact with the outside world and hit the Trade Center. I never got to speak any final words with him." Last Friday, she was deeply saddened when the tapes of several dozen emergency calls from people trapped in the Trade Center that day were finally released to their families.

Mrs. Bailey says that such incidents as the Moussaoui trial and the release of emergency call tapes are unavoidable reminders of her loss. She is also concerned that "many Americans have become complacent since 3,000 of us died on 9/11. The attitude of those at Yale who think we need to educate Hashemi rather than a deserving Afghan victim of the Taliban is evidence of that laxity," she says. "What's almost as bad is that they refuse to discuss their decision with anyone."


Her sister tried to start a dialogue. On March 9, 11 days after a sympathetic 9,000-word New York Times magazine profile of Mr. Hashemi broke the news of his presence on campus, Ms. Pothier emailed President Levin from her home in Brookline, Mass.:
Our daughter, [name withheld], graduated from Yale in 2005. We are quite dismayed to hear of the attendance of Sayed Rahmatulla Hashemi at Yale University this year.
Having lost a family member to the 9/11 attacks and currently attending the sentencing phase of self-admitted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, we are appalled that Yale University would admit an individual with known Taliban involvement. Perhaps your admission committee members and you should further acquaint yourself with the totalitarian nature of this group. Our country remains in dire danger from radical Islam. Until this matter is settled with the expulsion of this individual from Yale, we shall not contribute further to Yale.

Five days later, Mr. Levin's office responded with the 144-word form letter. "I was incensed," Ms. Pothier told me. "My daughter who went to Yale lost her favorite uncle on 9/11 and all he could do was send a word-for-word regurgitation of Yale's media statement."


She felt she deserved more. Unlike many parents, Ms. Pothier and her husband had paid Yale's full tuition, which during the time their daughter attended ranged from $36,000 to $39,000 a year. "I walked to work as a nurse every day at 6:15 am to pay those tuition bills," she told me. "I sent over $150,000 to Yale, and all I could get back from President Levin was a lousy form letter."


The next day, Ms. Pothier wrote back:
I appreciate your reply. However, I consider your explanation of Mr. Hashemi's presence at Yale to be naive at best and somewhat disingenuous.
In particular, your statement that "universities are places that must strive to increase understanding, especially of the most difficult issues that face the nation and the world," seems contrary to Yale's policy of banning ROTC and military recruiting from campus. The defense of our country is extraordinarily important to our survival.
You also noted that "we hope that his courses help him understand the broader context for the conflicts around the world." Are we then to believe that Osama bin Laden is to be enlightened by this same reasoning? Although Mr. Hashemi is not currently in a degree-granting program of study, you did not mention future plans for this individual at Yale.
That the State Department issued a visa to Mr. Hashemi is an unrelated subject in my view. It should not have happened. Allowing the former ambassador-at-large for the Taliban, a regime well known for its brutal tactics of imprisoning women and depriving them of any educational opportunities, to study at Yale is outrageous. I find Yale's admissions committee and you devoid of understanding the true nature and actions of the Taliban.
I do hope that you will do the correct thing regarding Mr. Hashemi: expel him from Yale. I will follow with interest.

After waiting five days and receiving no reply, Ms. Pothier sat down at her word processor a third and final time and penned the following letter on March 20:
After speaking with several alumni and parents of Yale graduates, it is clear to me that we all received the identical e-mail regarding our concerns about Mr. Hashemi's attendance at Yale.
I believe that this is a story that will not and should not go away. That Yale University is using resources to educate a former high-ranking Taliban official is extremely disturbing. Perhaps the coffers of Yale's endowment are so full that further donations are not needed. I, for one, will not send another dime until this egregious situation is rectified with the expulsion of this individual. I would also request that you not respond to me with another generic e-mail.

Two weeks later, Ms. Pothier has yet to receive a reply from Mr. Levin, "in keeping," she says, "with his general ostrich-like behavior" on the Taliban Man issue.

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Ms. Pothier says she has been disappointed before by Yale's handling of the feelings of the families of 9/11 victims. In September 2001, she drove down from Boston to pick up her daughter at Yale for her uncle's memorial service. She was appalled when her daughter told her about a "town meeting" Yale's administrators had organized at Battell Chapel on Sept. 16. Its ostensible purpose was to explain the attack's significance to students.


"She went there to try to understand why her uncle was killed," Ms. Pothier recalls. "Instead she got something else entirely: the message that the U.S. may be partly to blame." The six panelists, led by history professor Paul Kennedy and former Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott, all focused on the "underlying causes" of the attack and our need to understand those who hated America.

Mr. Talbott concluded that it "it is from the desperate, angry and bereaved that these suicide pilots came." But the most controversial comments were by Prof. Kennedy who suggested that students should understand the reasons why the U.S. was hated. He stated that the vastness of U.S. power in the world and the attractive nature of its political and social ideals were seen by many as "offensive cultural messages" and engendered anger. "Suppose that there existed today a powerful united Arab-Muslim state," he told Yale's students and posited that state had the biggest economy and the most powerful military in the world. "In those conditions, would not many Americans grow to loathe that colossus?" Mr. Kennedy wondered. "I think so."

The reaction from some faculty members who were not part of the "town meeting" was swift. Steven Smith, a political science professor, said that confused and timid statements such as those at the "Town Meeting" represented a "failure to see the attack on America as an act of clear and unmitigated evil." Donald Kagan, a history professor and former dean of Yale College, went further and blasted the panel for the uniformity of the views it expressed. He asked why Yale couldn't find one professor who could have focused on the enemy and "how to stamp out such evil." He wondered if Yale had found it "impossible" to find one, or "just undesirable."

Mr. Kagan wrote that the meeting was "a classic example of blaming the victim" and that Mr. Kennedy's comments "seem to suggest we react by appeasing the terrorists by a measured retreat." Mr. Kennedy responded to his critics by sending out the full text of his remarks and asking that "readers draw their own conclusions."

Ms. Pothier says her daughter had heard Mr. Kennedy in full and was still upset. Last week, she and Mrs. Bailey visited her daughter in Costa Rica, where she is teaching. "She still remembered how that Yale town meeting failed to see the real issues of 9/11," Ms. Pothier told me. "She and a college classmate had also just seen that Yale had admitted the Taliban official and both were aghast. We all wonder if Yale will ever get it."
Yale officials apparently now wish more than anything else to "move on" from the Taliban controversy. Mr. Hashemi has been silent for five weeks; his application to become a full-fledged sophomore next fall sits on Mr. Levin's desk. Last Wednesday the Yale student government debated a resolution that would have ratified the admissions policy guidelines set down in 1967 by Kingman Brewster, its late president. In relevant part, those guidelines state that "a demonstrated failure of moral sensitivity or regard for the dignity of others cannot be redeemed by allegations that the young man is extremely 'interesting.' "

But even though the resolution didn't even mention Mr. Hashemi directly, there was no vote and further debate was postponed. Austin Broussard, a junior and one of its authors, says several student officials at the meeting called for "tolerance" and giving Mr. Hashemi "the benefit of the doubt." But Mr. Hashemi's lack of repentance, followed by silence, does not merit such a charitable interpretation.

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Yale officials now have other concerns. Yesterday it was announced that China's President Hu Jintao will deliver a major address on campus on April 21. Mr. Levin has sent out an email saying the Chinese leader's visit "affirms the value the Chinese place on their longstanding relationship with Yale. In recent years, Yale has been the most active of all American universities in establishing student exchanges and research collaborations with China."


Yale's enormous commitment to China is likely to dominate discussion on campus in the coming weeks. But Mrs. Bailey and Ms. Pothier believe the university is making a long-term mistake by trying to sweep the Taliban Man issue under a rug by ignoring their complaints and that of all others.
After all, they point out that it would just take one more Tiananmen Square massacre in China to leave Yale with an bigger embarrassment than even the Taliban Man has been. "Yale owes it to both itself and the world outside its ivory towers to clarify where it stands on moral questions," Ms. Pothier says.
She points out that last month, the university, with the support of the student government, decided to divest from Sudan, whose government condones slavery and has been accused of genocide. But when it comes to harboring a former top official of the Taliban, another murderous regime whose remnants are even now killing Americans, Yale's official silence continues--and speaks volumes.

Kaapeli
04-19-2006, 07:34 PM
So what has this "Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi" done to harm these people complaining?
Other than he was employed by the Afghanistan government for some time.

Laworkerbee
04-19-2006, 08:26 PM
What country are you from Kaapeli?

Jani.R
04-19-2006, 08:32 PM
What country are you from Kaapeli?
Funland. .

edit: but what does it have to do with anything?

never_forget
04-19-2006, 08:58 PM
First of all Kaapeli you are a joker. Regardless of whether you're from Finland or Kansas that is an ignorant question in my book. This "student" is a former Taliban member and is on tape preaching the innocence and futility of Bin Laden only months before 9/11. With that being said, if anyone has a right to question Yale, it is anyone who suffered ANY loss on that day. Why must he study in the same country that his former cohorts attacked? Why not let him study in your backyard? I sincerely hope you did not have the facts prior to posting. If not, you know what you can do with your opinion.

usa320
04-20-2006, 01:31 AM
First of all Kaapeli you are a joker. Regardless of whether you're from Finland or Kansas that is an ignorant question in my book. This "student" is a former Taliban member and is on tape preaching the innocence and futility of Bin Laden only months before 9/11. With that being said, if anyone has a right to question Yale, it is anyone who suffered ANY loss on that day. Why must he study in the same country that his former cohorts attacked? Why not let him study in your backyard? I sincerely hope you did not have the facts prior to posting. If not, you know what you can do with your opinion.


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SeanAshi
04-20-2006, 05:24 AM
Hashemi would fit in better at Harvard.

Atlantic Friend
04-20-2006, 05:48 AM
What kind of government official was this guy ? I think Kaapeli's question is rather justified - I mean, if the guy was in charge of killing people, punishing women for not wearing a burkha, or generally oppressing the Afghanis then I understand the outrage. But if he was in charge of public sanitation or some kind of charity business, then I have to wonder what the real problem is.

Werner von Braun was a Nazi government official, that certainly didn't stop him from being welcomed in American and European universities, and I don't think anybody thought to ask the victims of the V-1s or V-2s their feelings about Werner being given top job at NASA.

Lazy Lob
04-20-2006, 07:34 AM
What kind of government official was this guy ? I think Kaapeli's question is rather justified - I mean, if the guy was in charge of killing people, punishing women for not wearing a burkha, or generally oppressing the Afghanis then I understand the outrage. But if he was in charge of public sanitation or some kind of charity business, then I have to wonder what the real problem is.

Werner von Braun was a Nazi government official, that certainly didn't stop him from being welcomed in American and European universities, and I don't think anybody thought to ask the victims of the V-1s or V-2s their feelings about Werner being given top job at NASA.

So you think the Talebans had an equal opportunities hiring scheme for their "government"? Or maybe, just maybe, they may have “hired” people of their ilk?

Just like now, no one has thought of asking the 9/11 victims. In both cases if they had a lot of them would have probably tried to stop them both. But the big difference is that this Hashemi git has bugger all to offer the U.S. So your point is moot.

Laworkerbee
04-20-2006, 01:16 PM
What kind of government official was this guy ? I think Kaapeli's question is rather justified - I mean, if the guy was in charge of killing people, punishing women for not wearing a burkha, or generally oppressing the Afghanis then I understand the outrage. But if he was in charge of public sanitation or some kind of charity business, then I have to wonder what the real problem is.

Werner von Braun was a Nazi government official, that certainly didn't stop him from being welcomed in American and European universities, and I don't think anybody thought to ask the victims of the V-1s or V-2s their feelings about Werner being given top job at NASA.

I always hated that we brought Braun and his cohorts into our space race, his dream should have been denied even if it meant we got to the moon late. He knew what happened at Peenemunde and his hands were dirty.

Miles.
04-20-2006, 01:19 PM
What kind of government official was this guy ? I think Kaapeli's question is rather justified - I mean, if the guy was in charge of killing people, punishing women for not wearing a burkha, or generally oppressing the Afghanis then I understand the outrage. But if he was in charge of public sanitation or some kind of charity business, then I have to wonder what the real problem is.

He was a spokesman for the Taliban.

www.google.com

PeterG
04-20-2006, 01:58 PM
I always hated that we brought Braun and his cohorts into our space race, his dream should have been denied even if it meant we got to the moon late. He knew what happened at Peenemunde and his hands were dirty.

It wasn't just about going to the moon - it was a technological and military race with the soviet union. The cold war started before the end of WWII. It was the right thing to do, to bring Von Braun and others to the west. Sometimes one just has to be pragmatic. As for that Taliban guy - string him up by the b*lls.

BadKarma26
04-20-2006, 02:09 PM
First of all Kaapeli you are a joker. Regardless of whether you're from Finland or Kansas that is an ignorant question in my book. This "student" is a former Taliban member and is on tape preaching the innocence and futility of Bin Laden only months before 9/11. With that being said, if anyone has a right to question Yale, it is anyone who suffered ANY loss on that day. Why must he study in the same country that his former cohorts attacked? Why not let him study in your backyard? I sincerely hope you did not have the facts prior to posting. If not, you know what you can do with your opinion.

LOL actually "talib" in Arabic means student. Taliban is a derivative of the word "Student"

I personally feel that since Yale is a private institution, they have the right to admit whoever they want. Whether the US wants to deport him or not, well then thats a governmental decision. You guys are angry at the wrong people.

joedirt
04-20-2006, 02:44 PM
Read the newyork times magazine article about this man's story. He sounds deserving of going to yale and second the american government has decided that he is a free man. And if by exposing him to western society which brings even just little bit of understanding between our two cultures then its a good thing.

Atlantic Friend
04-20-2006, 02:49 PM
Just like now, no one has thought of asking the 9/11 victims. In both cases if they had a lot of them would have probably tried to stop them both. But the big difference is that this Hashemi git has bugger all to offer the U.S. So your point is moot.

Moot ? I don't think so, LL. If I understand that part of your post, the crux of the matter is not about doing the moral thing, nor about respecting the victims. It's just whether the ex-government officials, even with blood on their hands, have something we want.

Well, somebody should explain to the victims' relatives in layman's terms that we give a rat's ass about their losses when the criminals come with something we crave.

never_forget
04-20-2006, 02:49 PM
Karma thanks for the insight, but what does the origin of the word "Taliban" have to do with this argument? The fact is that this man was directly employed by this sorry excuse for a government; a government that was at the very least corrupt, and at the most involved with the harboring of Bin Laden. And you're right, Yale is a private institution that is free to do what it pleases. I just think it is in poor taste for them to accept someone who is so close to the whole Afghanistan/Bin Laden scene, especially give it's proximity to New York City.

BadKarma26
04-20-2006, 02:54 PM
First of all Kaapeli you are a joker. Regardless of whether you're from Finland or Kansas that is an ignorant question in my book. This "student" is a former Taliban member and is on tape preaching the innocence and futility of Bin Laden only months before 9/11. With that being said, if anyone has a right to question Yale, it is anyone who suffered ANY loss on that day. Why must he study in the same country that his former cohorts attacked? Why not let him study in your backyard? I sincerely hope you did not have the facts prior to posting. If not, you know what you can do with your opinion.

My point was that you put the word student in quotes as if you weren't really convinced that he was a student.

I agree that its in bad taste. Then again, I don't like satanic worship ceremonies but hey, who am I to tell them they should do.

Maybe he will have a change of heart being in such a rich country and studying at such an affluent university. I'm pretty sure I would.

Atlantic Friend
04-20-2006, 03:02 PM
He was a spokesman for the Taliban.

www.google.com

That's pretty bad, then.

Laworkerbee
04-20-2006, 03:19 PM
It wasn't just about going to the moon - it was a technological and military race with the soviet union. The cold war started before the end of WWII. It was the right thing to do, to bring Von Braun and others to the west. Sometimes one just has to be pragmatic. As for that Taliban guy - string him up by the b*lls.

Ok well fine then he should have been locked in the under ground chamber like all of the captive mad scientists in the movies p-)

Ratamacue
04-20-2006, 03:32 PM
I don't know the guy, but it seems to me that if he's living here legally, then I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to attend American universities.

Laworkerbee
04-20-2006, 03:50 PM
I don't know the guy, but it seems to me that if he's living here legally, then I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to attend American universities.

The fact the he represents a "government" that this country is currently at war with should mean the prick should not be here legally.

If thats the case Tariq Aziz should be able to be here too

Miles.
04-20-2006, 03:55 PM
The fact the he represents a "government" that this country is currently at war with should mean the prick should not be here legally.

If thats the case Tariq Aziz should be able to be here too

Maybe the Taliban spokesman has hit the income ceiling for his education level. To even be considered for chief propagandist, you must have an MBA.

Ratamacue
04-20-2006, 04:09 PM
The fact the he represents a "government" that this country is currently at war with should mean the prick should not be here legally.

If thats the case Tariq Aziz should be able to be here tooTake the issue up with the United States Government then, not Yale.

BadKarma26
04-20-2006, 04:14 PM
Take the issue up with the United States Government then, not Yale.

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Lazy Lob
04-20-2006, 04:17 PM
Moot ? I don't think so, LL. If I understand that part of your post, the crux of the matter is not about doing the moral thing, nor about respecting the victims. It's just whether the ex-government officials, even with blood on their hands, have something we want.

Well, somebody should explain to the victims' relatives in layman's terms that we give a rat's ass about their losses when the criminals come with something we crave.

Quite right. But what you are confusing is political correctness for it's own sake and the needs of and andvancing society. As I am sure you already know, life is not black and white but many shades of gray. It seems in the West we are not just daltonic but heavily astigmatic. That does not mean we don't abhor both of these fascist regimes.

But you are making a very findemantal error in your argument. The SS and the Nazis had been defeated when Braun was reluctantly ushered into NASA. The Taleban and Islamofascism (for want of a better word) are still out there.

remo williams
04-20-2006, 05:07 PM
I don't know the guy, but it seems to me that if he's living here legally, then I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to attend American universities.
I believe he's here on a student visa. on Socnet, I read about the mother of one of the 11 slain SEAL's confronting him on campus about being admitted while there were other students that couldn't get in on BS. Still, to think that there won't be questions (read debriefing) for him about how things work, general American attitude and such is naieve at best.

Laworkerbee
04-20-2006, 05:24 PM
Take the issue up with the United States Government then, not Yale.

Oh I agree with you there man someone in the I.N.S. really, really dropped the ball.

dedgod
04-21-2006, 12:07 AM
Oh I agree with you there man someone in the I.N.S. really, really dropped the ball.

The INS? The same INS that admitted a blind egyptian cleric (i'm sure you come across thousands of them everyday at the INS) who was on the FBIs most wanted list...??

Surely youre not suggesting the I.N.S is incompetent are you ?

joedirt
04-21-2006, 11:01 AM
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB081EFB3A5A0C758EDDAB0894DE404482

Please read this article if you have access to the New York times it will answer many of the ignorant statements being said in this thread.

He renounced his ties to the Taliban and was debriefed by the US Government and deemed not to be a threat and was permitted to come to America to attend school.

Angelino
04-21-2006, 11:26 AM
I think they admitted the guy just for the publicity (Lookie everyone, we're educating a former Taliban in Yale) rather than for his SAT score and this is what I completely disagree with. Yale should have passed on the admission and handed the seat to some other deserving student. This guy should go through the same system that *every* American and foreign student go through.

By the way, the US deals with quite a few ex-Taliban people every day. Hamid Karzai was originally a Taliban supporter and there are a bunch of folks in the Afghan government who were all members of the Taliban.