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Sixgun Symphony
03-12-2004, 05:52 PM
Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8907485%255E2862,00.html)
Australia


SWORDS will be outlawed from July under new laws to curb the growing use of the weapons in street brawls.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said the ban would help police overcome a culture of young people arming themselves with swords.
"For most people running around the street carrying swords there is absolutely no reason for them to be carrying those weapons," he said yesterday.

From July, anyone found possessing or selling a sword without a permit will face up to six months' jail and fines of up to $12,000.

Existing sword owners must surrender their weapons to police, sell them to a licensed dealer or apply to the Chief Commissioner for specific approval.

Existing sword owners must surrender their weapons to police, sell them to a licensed dealer or apply to the Chief Commissioner for specific approval.

Collectors and people with legitimate cultural, religious or military reasons to own swords will be exempted from the ban, but must store them under lock and key and have a burglar alarm.

The sword ban follows a string of recent attacks and a regulatory impact statement undertaken by the State Government last year.

Last week, a 13-year-old boy was arrested and charged after allegedly charging police with a sword near Castlemaine, in central Victoria.

A 21-year-old man had his hand severed by a samurai sword in a confrontation between 40 men in the Fitzroy Gardens a fortnight ago -- the second brawl involving swords in 24 hours. ( rofl )

Huy Huynh, 19, was chased from the Salt nightclub and hacked to death nearby in July 2002 by a mob using samurai swords and machetes.

The new laws will make it illegal to sell swords to anyone who does not have a permit.

Sword sellers will have to keep a register of buyers' details and make it available for police to inspect.

Mr Haermeyer said groups such as highland dancers, historic re-enactment groups, bonafide collectors and people with family heirlooms could apply for an exemption from the licensing services branch of Victoria Police.

"Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong hands," he said.

"The vast majority of the community would say, 'Look, there's no place for people just being able to go out there and buy these things and carry them around the street'."

Mr Haermeyer said the exact definition of a sword under the new regulations was still being considered.

He said machetes would remain a controlled weapon, requiring a person to have a legitimate reason for carrying them.

The Government is also looking at bans on some other weapons, such as crossbows, and greater restriction on the sale of prohibited and regulated weapons at weekend markets.

Mr Haermeyer warned that police would be actively hunting for knives and swords after being given new powers and 480 metal detectors late last year, allowing them to search people they reasonably suspected were carrying weapons. :roll:



This article is insane. Every mention of the word 'sword' is so easily replaced with 'gun', that the article seems like a pro-RKBA satire written to show the absurdity of gun laws. But it's real...

Herrmannek
03-12-2004, 05:54 PM
E-tools and axes arent banned....yet

RomanS
03-12-2004, 05:56 PM
liberal assholes

Geezah
03-12-2004, 05:58 PM
Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,8907485%255E2862,00.html)


SWORDS will be outlawed from July under new laws to curb the growing use of the weapons in street brawls.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said the ban would help police overcome a culture of young people arming themselves with swords.
"For most people running around the street carrying swords there is absolutely no reason for them to be carrying those weapons," he said yesterday.

From July, anyone found possessing or selling a sword without a permit will face up to six months' jail and fines of up to $12,000.

Existing sword owners must surrender their weapons to police, sell them to a licensed dealer or apply to the Chief Commissioner for specific approval.

Existing sword owners must surrender their weapons to police, sell them to a licensed dealer or apply to the Chief Commissioner for specific approval.

Collectors and people with legitimate cultural, religious or military reasons to own swords will be exempted from the ban, but must store them under lock and key and have a burglar alarm.

The sword ban follows a string of recent attacks and a regulatory impact statement undertaken by the State Government last year.

Last week, a 13-year-old boy was arrested and charged after allegedly charging police with a sword near Castlemaine, in central Victoria.

A 21-year-old man had his hand severed by a samurai sword in a confrontation between 40 men in the Fitzroy Gardens a fortnight ago -- the second brawl involving swords in 24 hours. ( rofl )

Huy Huynh, 19, was chased from the Salt nightclub and hacked to death nearby in July 2002 by a mob using samurai swords and machetes.

The new laws will make it illegal to sell swords to anyone who does not have a permit.

Sword sellers will have to keep a register of buyers' details and make it available for police to inspect.

Mr Haermeyer said groups such as highland dancers, historic re-enactment groups, bonafide collectors and people with family heirlooms could apply for an exemption from the licensing services branch of Victoria Police.

"Legitimate sword owners understand the importance of ensuring that their swords do not fall into the wrong hands," he said.

"The vast majority of the community would say, 'Look, there's no place for people just being able to go out there and buy these things and carry them around the street'."

Mr Haermeyer said the exact definition of a sword under the new regulations was still being considered.

He said machetes would remain a controlled weapon, requiring a person to have a legitimate reason for carrying them.

The Government is also looking at bans on some other weapons, such as crossbows, and greater restriction on the sale of prohibited and regulated weapons at weekend markets.

Mr Haermeyer warned that police would be actively hunting for knives and swords after being given new powers and 480 metal detectors late last year, allowing them to search people they reasonably suspected were carrying weapons. :roll:



This article is insane. Every mention of the word 'sword' is so easily replaced with 'gun', that the article seems like a pro-RKBA satire written to show the absurdity of gun laws. But it's real...


Does that new law cover razor blades? it's amazing the damage you can do with one of those.......anyone for a Chelsea Smile?

Ratamacue
03-12-2004, 06:01 PM
They might as well ban knives too, I'm pretty sure they're just a bit more common in street fights than friggin' swords. :roll:

Sixgun Symphony
03-12-2004, 06:08 PM
I changed my original post to point out some highlights in bold text. I hope you all don't mind.

http://www.brothersmith-swords.com/graphics/warrior.gif




http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Fantasy_Swords_Eye_Of_Balor_M1585_895.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Lord_Of_The_Rings_Elven_Knife__UC1371WGNB_1195.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Functional_Swords_1917_Cutlass_With_L_88CS_613.jpg
US 1917 Cutlass


http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Functional_Swords_Celtic_Combat_Sword_2002_95.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Functional_Swords_Crusaders_Sword_M1386_828.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Civil_War_Swords_Union_Officers_Sword_8810_405.jpg

SeanAshi
03-12-2004, 06:27 PM
I paid $400 for a sword at mid evil times, I don't know what the hell I was thinking. Then I sold it to a pawn shop for $75

Sayeret
03-12-2004, 07:20 PM
Thats pretty stupid. You can buy an assault rifle without a permit but not a sword. These liberals are really annoying.

radon
03-12-2004, 07:50 PM
:| wtf.

That is just stupid. :cantbeli: . But axes must be banned too then.

Sixgun Symphony
03-12-2004, 11:10 PM
Thats pretty stupid. You can buy an assault rifle without a permit but not a sword. These liberals are really annoying.

Actually they did ban semi-auto rifles in Australia. They also banned alot of other guns too.

Now they just banned swords.

Kilgor
03-13-2004, 12:41 AM
everything is nearly banned in Australia.

Voilent crime using handguns is way up though. Now only the criminals have guns.

Oh well... I got 300 bucks for a .22 rifle that was such a POS. Easy money :)

memphiz
03-13-2004, 12:59 AM
ok so I can still buy a sword in Canada, but not in the US
haha
suckers p-)

Sixgun Symphony
03-13-2004, 01:09 AM
ok so I can still buy a sword in Canada, but not in the US
haha
suckers p-)

That article is from Australia

memphiz
03-13-2004, 01:32 AM
ok so I can still buy a sword in Canada, but not in the US
haha
suckers p-)

That article is from Australia
oh :cantbeli: i didnt see that part
suckers

martinexsquaddie
03-13-2004, 02:58 AM
personally in most of the developed world if the police catch you wandering around town with a machete or an axe or an e tool and they don't belive your explanation your be spending some time in jail.

Trident-za
03-13-2004, 03:06 AM
personally in most of the developed world if the police catch you wandering around town with a machete or an axe or an e tool and they don't belive your explanation your be spending some time in jail.

Agreed. If I saw a group of guys wondering down the main street carrying swords, I'd be kinda suspicious of their intentions :roll: :roll:

mocking_loudly_died
03-13-2004, 04:54 AM
Australia isn't crime infested.
The gun crimes are being committed mainly by ethnic gangs and the weapons they acquired were generally speaking from security firms with (oh the irony) lax security.

I don't want to see the average Australian armed to the teeth because Sydney has ethnic gang issues, it's more of a problem involving bad parenting and a culture clash then an influx of illegal fire arms.

You can walk around this country in most areas at any time and feel pretty comfortable and not suffer from a paranoid fervor of a need to remember your urban fire & maneuver drills.

Again I question the need to equip one self with all manners of concealed weaponry - to my mind it comes across that people like the self impression of rambo more than a genuine desire to "defend".

Trident-za
03-13-2004, 01:33 PM
Some interesting points there, Mocking... I especially liked:


Again I question the need to equip one self with all manners of concealed weaponry - to my mind it comes across that people like the self impression of rambo more than a genuine desire to "defend".

I agree 100% with this, even though I myself own and carry a firearm. In South Africa we do not have a law against concealed carry of a firearm, and I carry mine concealed - primarily because everytime I see a guy wearing an obvious holster it's some ****head rambo type trying to impress people with how "hardcore" he is.

I don't want ANYONE to know I'm carrying. I think the deterence value of being obviously armed is severely outweighed (in a country like SA anyway) by the fact that carrying a weapon openly INVITES trouble. If a group of 5 guys decide they want a weapon, you're in serious ****..... a quick "burst" of pepper spray or similar to the face, and your weapon won't help you a damn thing. One stolen firearm coming up.....

In 7 years of living (or rather, carrying a concealed firearm) in a violent country I've never once been tempted to "unconceal" my weapon, and I hope it stays that way for the next 90 years or so. If they introduced a law in SA stating that all weapons need to be opnely displayed, I'll go straight to the nearest police station and hand my weapon in for destroying.

Shake n Bake
03-13-2004, 02:00 PM
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