Croatian Forces

[RSK]

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MEJANI - DECEMBER 1991: A Croatian commander interrogates a beaten Serb who they claimed had fired on them after taking the village of Mejani December 16, 1991, during a Croatian army offensive to retake the Papuk Mountains - a traditionally mixed ethnic area. (Photo by Greg Marinovich/***** Images)

[RomanS]

violence

[AK-Lover]

Hmmm, innocent croatians? :roll:

[Marmot1]

Hmmm I predict big flame war...

[RomanS]

I dont think so

no more flame wars

[Lone Predator]

that looks like warm jacket the guy still standing up is wearing.... yup sure looks like it would keep the cold out...

...

[Ichhabe]

Hmmm, innocent croatians? :roll:

First of all, that picture should have been put up with a url and a little warning.


Second AK-Lover: the picture shows a Croatian and Serb, both in uniforms.
Your remarc is as always so full of insight that a normal logical person just has to roll his eyes in disbelif..

[Groove]

no NATION BASHING but:

My GF is from Croatia. We spend our holidays down there every year. There is a monument room in the nearby city. 6 Guys from that city were literally cut in pieces by Serbian Troops after beeing ambushed by them.

I dont think that Croats were strictly on Geneva Convention. But pls dont try to show Serbs as the peace loving, their own minority defending Army in this freakin war.

Thx

Groove

[Groove]

And there will be no RSK in the future i think - you know what i mean RSK :hug:

[Uninen]

Groove,

How so? Or is RSK short for "Bosnian Serb Republic"? And even if it is, i doubt that your estimate is correct.. :P Cause its almost 10 years after the war and really nothing has changed. :|

[Groove]

RSK is NOT Serbs Part Bosnia dude...

Greetings

Groove

[RATKO]

RSK stands for REPUBLIKA SRPSKA KRAJINA
Groove kolo srece se okrece

[Groove]

Ali srecom ne za vas ;)

in talking about the krajina

Greetings

Groove

[Hrvoje]

This is Croatian Forces! woot

http://www.croatiaemb.org/nato%20/MilitaryCooperation.jpg

[AK-Lover]

Yeah Hrvoje, the only one of it's kind. :P

[Groove]

As im pro-croatia this was a real good joke my dear srpski friend !

But hey, the war is over. **** happened. But time is goin on !

Groove

[AK-Lover]

Exactly, i'm just trying to set straight that croatians and muslims commited plenty of crimes.

[SuperTrooper]

One day as I was standing in some village, I noticed these 4 C's spray painted on the walls, I always wondered what the meaning was.
On some dateless day I was with a bunch of Chetniks, I asked one guy what the 4 C's mean, as it was translated to me I was shocked!
My spelling is rusty

Camo Crbia Celi Cvet

which means

Only Serbia Entire World!

Oh really I said, well after that me and the boys passed that around the Battalion and no one was too keen with that.

Last time I was in Croatia, which was last year, I passed through Knin, sorry to break it to you, but the Croat's own it big time!

[AK-Lover]

Those chetniks you supposedly asked what it means are wrong, it has always standed for Camo Cloga Crbina Cpasava which translates into Only Unity Saves Serbs. :D
Knin, thats okay the wars over people just wanna live their lives I bet.

[SuperTrooper]

Well thats what they said, glad that you brought that to light.

[RSK]

http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2001/10/8977610823bd1dbfc8938a732235738.jpg

ZAGREB, 20. oktobar 2001.
Croatian War Veterans protest in Zagreb (FoNet)

Thursday, 6 February, 2003, 22:25 GMT
Croatian PM condemns Nazi salutes


Thousands had gathered in Zagreb's main square

Croatia's prime minister has angrily condemned the use of Nazi slogans and salutes at a reception in the capital, Zagreb, for the national handball team.
Prime Minister Ivica Racan warned such behaviour "could not be tolerated in Croatia". Fascist salutes are unacceptable... and shame us in the eyes of Europe



Prime Minister Ivica Racan


Dozens of people in the crowd gave the salute - allegedly after nationalist folk singer Marko Perkovic Thompson shouted a slogan used by Croatian Nazis in World War II.

Last month, Croatian skier Ivica Kostelic had to apologise for remarks interpreted by some as pro-Nazi.

Strong following

Tens of thousands had gathered in Zagreb on Monday to celebrate the victory of the Croatian handball team over Germany in the world championship on Sunday.

"Fascist salutes are unacceptable everywhere in the civilised and democratic world, and such scenes... tarnish the victory of our handball players and shaming us in the eyes of Europe," Mr Racan said.


Team members each got around $14,000 for victory

"Croatia has long ago broken with its Nazi past."

It was reported in Croatian media that some of the handball players had insisted that Thompson - who has a strong following among nationalist Croats - should perform at the reception.

The media have mostly condemned the salutes, but an association of veterans defended the singer's words as a "traditional Croatian salute".

The government has given 100,000 kuna ($14,285) in prize money for each of the 17 members of the handball team for their victory in Portugal.

Last month, skier Ivica Kostelic apologised for comparing his state of mind before a race to that of a German soldier in 1941.

He said his comments were unfortunate and spoken under the influence of a war movie he had been watching.

[RSK]

Fascists Reborn as Croatia's Founding Fathers

>By CHRIS HEDGES >>
>>

SPLIT, Croatia -- The old fascist marching songs were
>>sung, a moment of silence was observed for all who died
>>defending the fatherland, and the gathering on Thursday
>>was reminded that it was the 57th anniversary of the
>>founding of Croatia's Nazi-allied wartime government.
>>Then came the most chilling words of the afternoon.
>>

>> "For Home!" shouted Anto Dapic, surrounded by
>>bodyguards in black suits and crew cuts.
>>

>> "Ready!" responded the crowd of 500 supporters, their arms
>> rising in a stiff Nazi salute.
>>

>> The call and response -- the Croatian equivalent of "Sieg!"
>> "Heil!" -- was the wartime greeting used by supporters of
>>the fascist Independent State of Croatia that governed the
>> country for most the Second World War and murdered
>> hundreds of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Croatian
>>resistance fighters.
>>

> On Thursday, the final day of campaigning before local
>>elections on Sunday, supporters of Croatia's Party of Rights
>> used the chant as a rallying cry. But the shouts of the
>>black-shirted young men -- and the indifferent reactions of
>>passers-by -- illustrated a broader aspect of this country's
>>self-image.
>>

>> President Franjo Tudjman and his Croatian Democratic
>>Union party rose to popularity and power on the strength
>>of its appeals to Croatians' national pride. Now, six years
>> after the war that won Croatia its independence from
>>Yugoslavia, Tudjman's party continues to cast the World
>> War II fascist regime as patriots and precursors of the
>> modern Croatian state.
>>

>> The Party of Rights took only 7 percent of the vote in the
>> last election, but it is the closest ally of Tudjman, who is
>>reported to be suffering from cancer and who has actively
>> participated in the campaign.
>>

>> Perhaps no other country has failed as openly as Croatia
>> to come to terms with its fascist legacy. While the
>> French celebrate a resistance movement that was often
>>dwarfed by the widespread collaboration with the Vichy
>> regime, and while the Austrians often act as if the war
>>never happened, the Croats have rehabilitated the Croatian
>> fascist collaborators, known as the Ustashe.
>>

>> The Ustashe was led by Ante Pavelic, the wartime dictator
>> whose picture was plastered on walls in Split in preparation
>>for the rally.
>>

> "A majority of the Croats oppose this rehabilitation," said
>>Viktor Ivancic, editor-in-chief of the opposition weekly, The
>> Feral Tribune. "But they are afraid. These neo-fascist
>>groups, protected by the state, are ready to employ violence
>> against their critics."
>>

> Ustashe veterans receive larger pensions than old Partisan
>> fighters, who waged a savage fight against the German
>>and Croatian fascist armies. Former Ustashe soldiers are
>>invited to state celebrations, like the annual army day, while
>>Partisan fighters are ignored. And state authorities have
>>stood by as pro-Ustashe groups have dismantled or
>>destroyed 2,964 of 4,073 monuments to those who died in
>>the resistance struggle, according to veteran Partisan groups.
>> >> The identification with the quisling regime does not stop there.
>>The Croatian currency is the kuna, the same instituted by the
>> fascists. And the red and white checkerboard on the flag,
>>taken from medieval Croatian emblems, previously adorned the
>> Ustashe uniform.
>>

> The president recently proposed bringing Pavelic's remains
>>from Spain, where he died in exile in 1959, for burial in Croatia,
>>a move rejected by Pavelic's family. And Vinko Nikolic, an
>> 85-year-old former high-ranking Ustashe official who fled into
>>exile after the war, was appointed by the president to the
>>Croatian Parliament.
>>

> The transformation is all the more noticeable because of
>>widespread participation by many Croats in the Partisan
>>guerrilla movement led by Josip Broz Tito, himself a Croat.
>>
>> "A huge number of Croats fought the Nazis and the Ustashe,"
>>said 77-year-old Partisan veteran Milivoj Borosa, who defected
>>in his bomber in 1942 from the Ustashe air force and dropped
>> his pay load on a German unit during his escape to the
>>Soviet Union. "But today those who should hold their heads in
>> shame are national heroes."
>>

>> The Partisans, who included among their ranks a young
>>Franjo Tudjman, committed what today is viewed as an
>>unforgivable sin. They built a united, communist Yugoslavia.
>>
>> And while the Ustashe state may have been a Nazi puppet, it
>> had as its stated aim the establishment of an independent
>>Croatia, although it was forced by the Axis to turn over large
>>parts of Croatia, including much of the Dalmatian coast, to
>>the Italians.
>>
>> In the current campaign, Tudjman sought to reconcile the
>>country's wartime divisions by arguing that the fascist and
>>anti-fascist Croatians performed equally valuable service for
>> their country.
>>
>> A general who became a historian after leaving the Yugoslav
>>army, Tudjman is among the leaders of a revisionist school
>>of history that has sought to counterbalance the communists'
>>relentlessly dark view of the fascist years.
>>
>> But many Croats, especially those who had relatives killed
>>by the fascists, smolder with indignation over the glorification
>> of a regime that slaughtered opponents with a ferocity that
>>often shocked its Italian and German allies.
>>
>> "You cannot reconcile victims and butchers," said Ognjen
>>Kraus, the head of Zagreb's small Jewish community. "No one
>> has the right to carry out a reconciliation in the name of
>>those who vanished."
>>
>> The climate has become so charged that those who oppose
>> the rehabilitation of the Ustashe do not dare raise their voices.
>>
>> And there have been several attacks carried out against
>> members of the Social Democratic Party, the old communist
>> party, currently fielding candidates for the municipal
>>elections. Many of the black-uniformed bodyguards at the
>>rally fought against the Serbs as members of the Croatian
>> Liberation Forces, a brutal right-wing paramilitary unit
>> formed by the party.
>>
>> The Ustashe supporters also have a powerful ally in the
>>Catholic Church in Croatia. The church, led during the war
>>by Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac, was a prominent backer
>>of the Ustashe regime. It forcibly converted tens of thousands
>> of Orthodox Serbs and did not denounce the government's
>> roundup and slaughter of Jews and Serbs.
>>
>> During the war, Jews and Orthodox Serbs were subject to
>>racial laws. The Serbs had to wear blue armbands with the
>> letter "P" for "Pravoslav" -- Orthodox -- before being
>>deported to death camps like Jasenovac.
>>
>> After the war, many priests, rather than condemn the
>> brutality of the fascist regime, went on to set up an
>>underground network known as "the rat line" to smuggle
>>former Ustashe leaders, including Pavelic, to countries like
>>Argentina.
>>
>> The church, persecuted by the communists, has now
>> re-emerged as one of the most powerful institutions in the
>>country, in large part because religion is the only tangible
>>difference separating Serbs, Muslims and Croats. Several
>> priests have enthusiastically joined the rehabilitation
>>campaign, portraying Pavelic as a pious leader who
>>championed Christian values.
>>
>> "Ante Pavelic was a good Catholic," said Father Luka Prcela,
>>who has held a memorial mass for the former dictator in Split
>> for the last four years. "He went to mass daily in his own
>> chapel. Many of the crimes alleged to have been committed
>>by his government never happened. These stories were lies
>>spread by the communists. He fought for a free, Catholic
>>Croatia. We have this state today because of him."
>> >>

[AK-Lover]

I wonder how i'm not shocked :roll: :P

[RSK]

Croats in Canada

http://www.eteamz.com/tomislavgrad/images/DoorWorkers.jpg

http://www.eteamz.com/tomislavgrad/images/London_dance1.jpg


http://friendpages.com/pages/army/ustasa/photo11.jpg

At the Canadian War Museum: A tank that Canadian soldier used to fight the Nazis!
http://friendpages.com/pages/army/ustasa/photo25.jpg

[Marmot1]

hey it is photos and videos and to this time i have seen only one photo that stick to the topic... what is purpose of this topic??? it is not about croatian forces so it is against forum rules... (content not related to topic).

If you wanna discus this matter use general discusion not photos & videos I understand when you comment photos but there is hardly 1 photo

[AK-Lover]

RSK, are you promoting Ustashi and Croat nazi's or are you trying to make a point? :|
Marmot, wtf are you talking about, he is posting pictures and they are related. :D

[RSK]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/2.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/3.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/10.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/11.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/12.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/13.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/16.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/19.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/21.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/25.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/26.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/27.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/28.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/32.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/38.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/40.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/41.jpg

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/42.jpg

[Marmot1]

now is better :-)

[AK-Lover]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/3.jpg
CRBIJA!CRBIJA!
Way to go RSK woot

[RSK]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/3.jpg
CRBIJA!CRBIJA!
Way to go RSK woot

Those are all USTASE AK Lover!?

[AK-Lover]

OOPS! :oops: Oh my god! I didn't see their hands, I thought theyn were three finger saluting! :oops: I'm am so abso-****ing-lutely embarresed! :oops: :oops: :oops:
I think I'm gonna puke!

[cut]

http://www.msu.edu/course/pls/461/stein/_80531_srebrenica300.jpg

ooops :oops: my finger slipped

[AK-Lover]

yeah that's right cut! my finger slipped and I some how magically managed to kill a dozen ustashi or mujahadeen!oops!mybad! Been there done that! :P
um,stfu, if you have nothing smarter to post then you're usual serb bashing then don't post! :D

[SuperTrooper]

Serb bashing, so what are you doing then lol, how could you say something that dumb and yet post things about Croats and Bosnians?

[Groove]

Oh here we go, no arguments so all Croats are Nazis...

====

About Knin - i think its still a pain in the serbian a$$. Before ware almost all signs in this city were cyrillic. There was a big military base where almost all soldiers where from Yogoslavia.

CCCC means Sprska Slava Svijet Spasava

Groove

[RSK]

About Knin - i think its still a pain in the serbian a$$. Before ware almost all signs in this city were cyrillic. There was a big military base where almost all soldiers where from Yogoslavia.

CCCC means Sprska Slava Svijet Spasava

Groove


?????????????????

What do you possibly know about the Kninska Krajina and about the 4C's???? You can't even spell never mind talk about the history of Dalmacija or its people!

[Groove]

What do you possibly know about the Kninska Krajina and about the 4C's???? You can't even spell never mind talk about the history of Dalmacija or its people!


You know a **** about me dude :bash:

Sorry i wrote Yogoslavia - i meant Yugoslavia.

I think i know enough about Dalmacija and i know enough people in Dalamacija who dont like guys like you dear RSK. We can discuss your thoughts on RSK in a Cafe in Omis or Split srspski boy!

Go to Drnis and tell them your thought about RSK !

Pls dont annoy me.

Groove

[Groove]

Oh i forgot about Sprska Krajina - its a pleasure to drive from Drnis to Split. Did you ever was there after the war ? Be so nice and tell me where you were from on the Krajina ? Maybe Udbine ?

Groove

[Upfrontreporting]

For **** sake don't an other ****ing Serb crusade, I'm so ****ing tired of reading these ****ty biased posts, this is a forum for military pictures not www.rantingpoliticallunatics.com.

Yes I'm interested in military pictures from the Balkans, I have spend a lot of time there myself, but I'm not interested in kids ranting and raving about ustasa and cetnik matters, it's sickening. If it has any relevance for the discussions I'm all for people discussing any military unit, but if it is for the purpose of letting out your inner Dr. Goebbels keep it of this forum for **** sake. :fork:

Some of you might have guessed that I hold a slight contempt for some of the parties in the Balkans, although I keep it to myself. And yes I have worked with most of the ethnic groups in the Balkans, even representatives of the one group that tried to kill me during my first stay, and I liked these people.
I have moved and I suggest that some people in this forum try doing the same and move a little bit out of their ethnic bubble.


have a nice Sunday.

Upfrontreporting.

[mustamato]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/2.jpg

Uuh. I have read that the Ultimax 100 was used during the war in former
Yugoslavia, but have never seen any pictures of it before now.

http://www.civiliangunner.com/images/ultimaxriseshoot.jpg
Ultimax 100, famous for having virtually "no recoil" at all.

[Hydro]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/2.jpg



I thought this picture was from WW2 until I thought not many Axis or Allied aligned countries used CIS Ultimax 5.56mm LMG's :) Apparently quite a weird and wonderful selection of weapons was used in the Balkans, anyone got pictures/details of some of the more unusal?

[AK-Lover]

Groove, where you born in the balkans? Did you ever live in serbia and croatia? STFU! Dude stop being so ****ing naive, who the hell are you to teach serbs what the for c's means, okay i'll repeat it to you one more time, CAMO CLOGA CRBINA CPASAVA! okay? :bash:

[AK-Lover]

Surpertrooper, what are you talking about? I made a sarcastic reply to cut's stupid post, where did I post anything about bosnians and croats? And for that picture post I said I made a MISTAKE! okay you know what that means, I think EVRYBODY makes MISTAKES once in a while.
Let's just shutup about politics and go, wow what gun is that? and that's this gun, who's BDU is that? that's this country's BDU. Okay :D :hug:

[Argyll]

How many times does it have to be told to those who just cannot shut their traps................No More nation Bashing,irrespective of the atrocities they undertook,there are NO innocents sides in the Balkans Conflict!!

This thread is getting close to being locked!!!

[SuperTrooper]

lock it!

[AK-Lover]

no! there are great pics here! it's just that supertrooper and groove can't admit there wrong so they keep ranting on! :D :hug:

[SuperTrooper]

wrong about what?
that all sides are no different

[AK-Lover]

no about all that jewish stuff. :| :hug:

[SuperTrooper]

Like I said, I read it some where, once I find the book I'll get back to you on it.
Even if it did happen, who on earth is peace loving hugging tree's all the time, maybe the Carebears, but they can be shifty as well!

[Groove]

AK-Lover - you know nothing about me or where i was or lived.

No problem for me.

About your freakin out on your CCCC thingie - which i give s***t normaly what its mean. I just said what the serbs i know told me.

I just tried to say that the Ustasha meaning which was mentioned here are not the true.

And now take the next plane back from Canada to Beograd and stay there if you are so proud of the "chosen nation".

I will not comment this anymore.

Greetings To All !

Groove

[AK-Lover]

Thanks for not commenting! :hug:

[AK-Lover]

http://www.marstar.ca/fullauto/images/Rifle-SMG/Y-M-70B1-L.jpg
Canadian-Serb Defence Force! rofl

[Argyll]

The pictures are fine,I have no problem with that,it's the innuendo's that follow that is making all these Balkan Topics finely balanced between getting locked or edited!

[Upfrontreporting]

Argyll:

Somehow I believe that there are a few log-heads that won't get the message.


regards.

[Hrvoje]

http://www.crnalegija.com/img/domovinski/3.jpg
CRBIJA!CRBIJA!
Way to go RSK woot

I dont get it - they are Croat...

why Crbija Crbija

Because he haven't look the pic, he just want to provoke!

[noneck11]

This topic is bull****. I served in the Krajina in 93 with C-Coy 2VP, I've been held hostage by Serbs and fought the HV in the Medak Pocket. I can honestly say that neither of the sides were innocent, both conducted attrocities akin to something from the crusades....positively medieval.

However that being said I think that it shows what all western nations are capable of. The former SFRY was a very progressive country with a high standard of living and one of the best education systems in Europe. But there were three unassailable pillars working against them, Politics, Religion and History. One of these may have been defeatable however all three presented such an obstacle that the descent to barbarism was unavoidable.

I would caution all persons on this site to not become to complacent. We are all capable of exactly the same behaviour should the same circumstances be put in place.

Cheers
Noneck

[khukuri]

I would caution all persons on this site to not become to complacent. We are all capable of exactly the same behaviour should the same circumstances be put in place.

I wouldnt like to think that, especially not concerning my soilder friends normyself, but i like what you wrote very much. cuz coming from where i do (not sweden) i know what youre talking about.

[Director]

noneck11 wrote:


This topic is bull****. I served in the Krajina in 93 with C-Coy 2VP, I've been held hostage by Serbs and fought the HV in the Medak Pocket. I can honestly say that neither of the sides were innocent, both conducted attrocities akin to something from the crusades....positively medieval.

However that being said I think that it shows what all western nations are capable of. The former SFRY was a very progressive country with a high standard of living and one of the best education systems in Europe. But there were three unassailable pillars working against them, Politics, Religion and History. One of these may have been defeatable however all three presented such an obstacle that the descent to barbarism was unavoidable.
I would caution all persons on this site to not become to complacent. We are all capable of exactly the same behaviour should the same circumstances be put in place.

As a new member of these boards and just learning of the full reality of the conflict, I have to agree with the above statement. Human beings as a whole are all capable of attrocities. There is not one nation in the world who hasn't done so in the past...

[ghost_33]

Noneck11, beautifully said!

:)
Are you Canadian ?I was in that area at the same time (on the serbian side), maybe we saw each other?Tough situation and tough times, I have
great respect for the professionalism of the Canadian soldier.Meet a guy in
Afghanistan that was down there.