Disrespectful use of a symbol!

[Ichhabe]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/2602323814052c3a18aad3.gif

George W. Bush

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Kingpin

As you expect that we that are not citizens of the USA will respect the Stars & Stripes, I expect that you to aswell show respect for symbols that we put in high order.

Soldiers from all over the world has been killed flying the coulours of the United Nations.
I have served under that flag. Close friends of mine have been wounded, soldiers I knew have been killed.

Seing how you abuse that symbol really angers me.
Can you please remove them?

[Herrmannek]

Agree

[digrar]

I have also seen friends and allies killed and wounded fighting under that flag.
There might be a big building in New York containg people with politics that you don't agree with, but there are soldiers all over the world trying to do the right thing, fighting under that flag, have some respect.

[Argyll]

Offensive avatars are as bad as offensive posts,raise this with hood guys,there has been an upward trend of UN bashing since they said they did not support the war,I not a great fan of the UN,but Ichabe has a point!

[Kingpin]

Err.. Where did you find here any signs of disrespect or bashing? I have nothing against UN. So you hadn't point. Just cool avatar. I recomend to use this insignia by all trigger happy american peacekeepers :)

Or i should dig up all signs of disrespect and bashing which forum members showed for iraqis or for example russian symbols?

As for Bush's avatar I agree it is offensive a bit.

[digrar]

I don't have a problem with yours Kingpin, my regiment (and many others) has a history of using skulls in their unit emblems.
The flag burning one s#$tsme though.

[Herrmannek]

It's cool indeed in some heavy metal way...but we all know from what pic this skull was taken and we know primary purpose of that "exhibition"...

[Kingpin]

It's cool indeed in some heavy metal way...but we all know from what pic this skull was taken and we know primary purpose of that "exhibition"...

That's pity if real skull was used but i suppose that is from some sceleton mockup.

[George W. Bush]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, and exerting influence on the US of A.

[Argyll]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?

and you don't need the UN to blame for Anti Americanism.....that's a poor excuse

How would you feel if people had burning "Old Glory" avatars?
there are Veterans here who served with pride under the UN Flag......show some respect please,the world does not evolve around the USA!!!!

[Elmo]

George W,

have you ever thought of things by yourself? You probably decided that your country is superior and after that just absorb any information that strenghtens your position.

You are so into this thinking that you actually think it's quite cool to have an avatar such as yours. You are perfect for politicians who know that people with low self-esteem are easily hyphnotized by nationalist dream world where individual is able to forget himself thus becoming something larger than life.

[Marmot1]

Yep, both avatars are offensive and you behave like F.... arab terrorist who burn US/Israeli/other flags on the street... I know that you might be against UN but please respect symbols... I don't know how it is in your country but in Poland it is offence to burn another country/international organization symbols... Fredom of speach is guaranted but with reasonable limitation it's why when some hippies removed russian flag from conlulate building and put obscene texts on it they were sentenced...

[TheJedi]

People who don't think for themselves are the biggest danger that exists.

Remember 1933. That's exactly the attitude that made the worst part of 20th century history possible.

Nothing more to add.

[UkrainianAmerican]

People from Europe are just as much part of the UN as we are. So you cant say that we are dissing something of yours. WE are dissing an international body.

[Argyll]

There should be no dissing at all,people have served in conflict under the UN flag,and lives have been lost,to Diss the flag is to Diss those who've fallen under it!
You wouldn't like it ,so why should others feel any different?

[TheJedi]

So true.

@RussianAmerican:

You are dissing an international body, right.

But the UN is a democratic institution. That means, anyone who joins it has to accept its method of finding decisions.

You can't just say: We like you, if you do what we want, we won't, if you disagree with us. That's selfishness in perfection.

Bush sees the UN as nothing else but a tool. If the tool is broken (from his point of view), you throw it away.

But that has nothing to do with my post above.

What I was talking about, was the fact, that people who have an unchangable opinion, based solely on what other people say, without even thinking about it for themselves, but believing everything without doubt, are the reason why populistic dictators could gain so much control over people in the last century.

Following a leader to death without doubting his motivation at any time is always wrong.

[Shake n Bake]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yeah, democratic institution, lol
Full of undemovratic regimes.

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[George W. Bush]

There should be no dissing at all,people have served in conflict under the UN flag,and lives have been lost,to Diss the flag is to Diss those who've fallen under it!
You wouldn't like it ,so why should others feel any different?

Ohh so now no one can "diss" the almighty UN? All hail the almighty UN!

The truth is that the UN is not the organization it claims to be. Little hints like giving Syria a seat on the security council, praising dictatorships like Cuba and Cambodia, etc. says a lot about them.

[UkrainianAmerican]

http://www.cmi.k12.il.us/~capiech/capie/images/image.gif
US is not an international body which you happen to be a memeber of. So go f*ck yourself prick.

[Argyll]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!

[Operation Ivy]

As you expect that we that are not citizens of the USA will respect the Stars & Stripes, I expect that you to aswell show respect for symbols that we put in high order

I dont think Kingy is American ;)

[Marmot1]

Yeah, democratic institution, lol
Full of undemovratic regimes.
Yep... exaple: Security council - with veto option given to 5 coutries... last time when we had a veto in poland was 1772 and it ended up in partition of poland since one bribed person was always able to veto every act issued in poladn i.e. new tax for army... Now same situation is in UN

UN is hadicaped institution but still it provided peace in many parts of the world and is still providing.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!
Yeyh and u let five britons just walk away. Whats your point?
O and your contrymen blew up a restaurant in Israel, and fight for Chechens.

[Argyll]

There should be no dissing at all,people have served in conflict under the UN flag,and lives have been lost,to Diss the flag is to Diss those who've fallen under it!
You wouldn't like it ,so why should others feel any different?

Ohh so now no one can "diss" the almighty UN? All hail the almighty UN!

The truth is that the UN is not the organization it claims to be. Little hints like giving Syria a seat on the security council, praising dictatorships like Cuba and Cambodia, etc. says a lot about them.



Hey stupid!

You seem to forget that the USA was also in that council,people in Glass houses pal!!

Lets talk about all the dictators in the South American countries who were supported by the USA shall we?

Did you forget all about your little secret wars there?

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people have died under that flag you should respect them.

don't you feel that way about the image in my furst post?

[UkrainianAmerican]

people have died under that flag you should respect them.

don't you feel that way about the image in my furst post?
People have died under the NAzi flag as well. Whats your point?

[16 OBr SpN]

George W. Bush,

You see, by having an avatar like this, you show your poor judjement.
On the one hand, you might not agree with the UN...
But on the other hand, there are soldiers who serve/served under this flag, and some of them sacrificed their lives, while having that symbol on their uniform.

Do you think that those soldiers have/had anything against USA?? No!
They did what they were ordered to do by their governments!
As far as I know, there were American soldiers who served under the very same flag. Those are soldiers who worked hard to deserve their uniforms!
If you think you can disrespect that, then you're wrong!!
Have some respect!

[Argyll]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!
Yeyh and u let five britons just walk away. Whats your point?

No you let them walk away!!your point?
O and your contrymen blew up a restaurant in Israel, and fight for Chechens.

John Walker Lindh!!!!

[UkrainianAmerican]

I dont think his avatar is intended as a diss against the U.N. forces in particular, it is more of Anti- political wing.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!
Yeyh and u let five britons just walk away. Whats your point?

No you let them walk away!!your point?
O and your contrymen blew up a restaurant in Israel, and fight for Chechens.

John Walker Lindh!!!!
John Walker Lindh is getting ass-f*cked as we speak.
And we EXTRADITED them not set em free.

[Argyll]

George W. Bush,

You see, by having an avatar like this, you show your poor judjement.
On the one hand, you might not agree with the UN...
But on the other hand, there are soldiers who serve/served under this flag, and some of them sacrificed their lives, while having that symbol on their uniform.

Do you think that those soldiers have/had anything against USA?? No!
They did what they were ordered to do by their governments!
As far as I know, there were American soldiers who served under the very same flag. Those are soldiers who worked hard to deserve their uniforms!
If you think you can disrespect that, then you're wrong!!
Have some respect!


Listen to what this mans says GWB!
Well said 16 OBr SPn

[fdt]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:

[UkrainianAmerican]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:
I dont think his avatar was intended as a diss again the soldiers...

[Argyll]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!
Yeyh and u let five britons just walk away. Whats your point?

No you let them walk away!!your point?
O and your contrymen blew up a restaurant in Israel, and fight for Chechens.

John Walker Lindh!!!!
John Walker Lindh is getting ass-f*cked as we speak.
And we EXTRADITED them not set em free.

rofl you cant extradite someone from a country that is not yours!!!

2ndly they were let go by the USA as they posed no THREAT ,so don't blame the UN blame your Intelligence as it was them who felt they were not a threat.......................deal with it! :bash:

[Marmot1]

George W. Bush,

You see, by having an avatar like this, you show your poor judjement.
On the one hand, you might not agree with the UN...
But on the other hand, there are soldiers who serve/served under this flag, and some of them sacrificed their lives, while having that symbol on their uniform.

Do you think that those soldiers have/had anything against USA?? No!
They did what they were ordered to do by their governments!
As far as I know, there were American soldiers who served under the very same flag. Those are soldiers who worked hard to deserve their uniforms!
If you think you can disrespect that, then you're wrong!!
Have some respect!


Yep whole korean war was under UN flag...

[fdt]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:
I dont think his avatar was intended as a diss again the soldiers...Agree it was not intended, but sometimes it's a good thing to think about the implications before one does smth.

[Marmot1]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.



No it hasn't been debunked,for the simple reason is that it is true!
IRA terrorists fled to the US and they refused to extradite them despite repeated requests by the British Government to do so!

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!
Yeyh and u let five britons just walk away. Whats your point?

No you let them walk away!!your point?
O and your contrymen blew up a restaurant in Israel, and fight for Chechens.

John Walker Lindh!!!!
John Walker Lindh is getting ass-f*cked as we speak.
And we EXTRADITED them not set em free.

rofl you cant extradite someone from a country that is not yours!!!

2ndly they were let go by the USA as they posed no THREAT ,so don't blame the UN blame your Intelligence as it was them who felt they were not a threat.......................deal with it! :bash:

Yep if they were terrorists so why they were released...? Hint: there was no evidence against them so US decided to release them instead to put on trial...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Argyll, i am not going to do that, but i could say that WE saw no threat in the IRA junkies who were given asylum.
Futhermore, it was our expectation that your authorities would detain the f*ckers.
I mean if they are inncoent little sheep, WTF where British muslims doing in Afghanistan?
Setting up new groceries?

[UkrainianAmerican]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:
I dont think his avatar was intended as a diss again the soldiers...Agree it was not intended, but sometimes it's a good thing to think about the implications before one does smth.
So I cant criticize the untouchable UN, because someone might take it as if I am dissing the soldiers?

[Marmot1]

Argyll, i am not going to do that, but i could say that WE saw no threat in the IRA junkies who were given asylum.
Futhermore, it was our expectation that your authorities would detain the f*ckers.
I mean if they are inncoent little sheep, WTF where British muslims doing in Afghanistan?
Setting up new groceries?

Yeah... you released them without charges and now you expect UK to what? Put them on trial You were unable to do this after having them for 2 years and now you expect other country to do this... :slap:

[16 OBr SpN]

I dont think his avatar is intended as a diss against the U.N. forces in particular, it is more of Anti- political wing.

But it doesnt' change the context of his avatar.
All soldiers are victims of politics, it's just a matter of separating political bull**** from a military duty.
If I was ordered to go into a certain country, and do my service, I would still be serving my country, whether under the UN flag or not. Orders are orders. You never question them.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Marmot1]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:
I dont think his avatar was intended as a diss again the soldiers...Agree it was not intended, but sometimes it's a good thing to think about the implications before one does smth.
So I cant criticize the untouchable UN, because someone might take it as if I am dissing the soldiers?

No becouse this avatar is the same type of **** like this...
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/flag-burning.jpg
and this...
http://www.usip.org/peacewatch/2002/8/images/flag.jpg
and this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1050000/images/_1050282_flag150afp.jpg
and this...
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/flagburning2002/boropark.jpg
and this...
http://medlem.spray.se/faktamannen/bilder/AFA_burning_swedish_flag.jpg
and this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38757000/jpg/_38757933_cambodia_afp300.jpg
Did you enjoy any of this??? Since I don't.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well I guess we will disagree on this one, but in my opinion a UN flag is not as personal as your countrys flag

[UkrainianAmerican]

I dont think his avatar is intended as a diss against the U.N. forces in particular, it is more of Anti- political wing.

But it doesnt' change the context of his avatar.
All soldiers are victims of politics, it's just a matter of separating political bull**** from a military duty.
If I was ordered to go into a certain country, and do my service, I would still be serving my country, whether under the UN flag or not. Orders are orders. You never question them.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
So, since you would be serving YOUR OWN country, would you care if someone disrespects the UN?

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to soldiers that have served under it feel strongly about it surely that is enough for GWB to take it down.

[UkrainianAmerican]

to soldiers that have served under it feel strongly about it surely that is enough for GWB to take it down.
Well if they do, then I guess you are right.

[Shake n Bake]

NORAID was instrumental in gathering funds from the Irish community within the USA,again,the British Government asked for this to be stopped,as the funding was going to Terrorism,again the pleas were ignored!

you wouldn't believe the number of shady elements working within the U.S under the cloak of charity organizations ... Hell, Al Qaeda was fund raising out of mosque before and after 9/11

The minute you start to crack down on the these groups You get hit with protest from the likes of the ACLU who come to their defense bitching about civil liberties being trampled.

That's why we need the Patriot Act to keep these scumbags in check

[fdt]

GWB seems not to remember that soldiers from many countries have died under this flag fighting alongside US servicemen in Korea and Vietnam... Good way to commemorate the US allies in those wars. Congratulations...! :cantbeli:
I dont think his avatar was intended as a diss again the soldiers...Agree it was not intended, but sometimes it's a good thing to think about the implications before one does smth.
So I cant criticize the untouchable UN, because someone might take it as if I am dissing the soldiers?Aaaaah.... criticize please! There is a lot to criticize within UN. Criticize UN politicians and name them, criticize UN policies, UN structures, UN finances. Aha don't also forget about criticizing the World governments who treat UN as a w*ore to serve their narrow and short term political interests... Criticizing UN as GWB does is for me a call to dissolve it and to return to the sweet times when nobody even thought of having some rules in international politics except for the "jungle law". Those who served and gave their lives under a UN flag should be remembered and respected as UN is not only an "absolute evil" as some try to convince us...

[wholagun]

why does everyone only care to point out the errors and darker side of the UN. Without the UN millions of ppl would get hungry and starve every day, the UN observes elections, helps rebuild infastructure, helps train officials that will be future officals of whatever country.

there is alot more to the UN then just peacekeeping and security council.

You go and burn the UN flag in front of a African person who was just served a life saving meal. Millions of ppl each day depend on the UN to help them get through the day wiithout the UN things like AIDS would go largely unnoticed.

There is still alot more to the UN but it would take long time to write it out.

[TheJedi]

Aaaaah.... criticize please! There is a lot to criticize within UN. Criticize UN politicians and name them, criticize UN policies, UN structures, UN finances. Aha don't also forget about criticizing the World governments who treat UN as a w*ore to serve their narrow and short term political interests... Criticizing UN as GWB does is for me a call to dissolve it and to return to the sweet times when nobody even thought of having some rules in international politics except for the "jungle law". Those who served and gave their lives under a UN flag should be remembered and respected as UN is not only an "absolute evil" as some try to convince us...

Well spoken. From that point to view, I'm glad there still is a UN that can be critizised. It's better to improve what we have than to throw it away.

[George W. Bush]

why does everyone only care to point out the errors and darker side of the UN. Without the UN millions of ppl would get hungry and starve every day, the UN observes elections, helps rebuild infastructure, helps train officials that will be future officals of whatever country.

there is alot more to the UN then just peacekeeping and security council.

You go and burn the UN flag in front of a African person who was just served a life saving meal. Millions of ppl each day depend on the UN to help them get through the day wiithout the UN things like AIDS would go largely unnoticed.

There is still alot more to the UN but it would take long time to write it out.

You have a point there. Every time I pay taxes I know that a portion of my money goes to help the less fortunate which makes me feel good. Although sometime (ok, a lot of the time) that money goes to the wrong people.

[UkrainianAmerican]

why does everyone only care to point out the errors and darker side of the UN. Without the UN millions of ppl would get hungry and starve every day, the UN observes elections, helps rebuild infastructure, helps train officials that will be future officals of whatever country.

there is alot more to the UN then just peacekeeping and security council.

You go and burn the UN flag in front of a African person who was just served a life saving meal. Millions of ppl each day depend on the UN to help them get through the day wiithout the UN things like AIDS would go largely unnoticed.

There is still alot more to the UN but it would take long time to write it out.

You have a point there. Every time I pay taxes I know that a portion of my money goes to help the less fortunate which makes me feel good. Although sometime (ok, a lot of the time) that money goes to the wrong people.
Like the Jordyptians.

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wangchung, will you please change your avatar

[budanski]

Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

[16 OBr SpN]

So, since you would be serving YOUR OWN country, would you care if someone disrespects the UN?

Definitely! You know why? Because I know of people who DIED while wearing a Blue helmet. Again, they were not asking themselves questions of "Why?", "For what?", etc. They fulfilled their duty in the face of the commanders which put them under the UN flag in the first place!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[UkrainianAmerican]

So, since you would be serving YOUR OWN country, would you care if someone disrespects the UN?

Definitely! You know why? Because I know of people who DIED while wearing a Blue helmet. Again, they were not asking themselves questions of "Why?", "For what?", etc. They fulfilled their duty in the face of the commanders which put them under the UN flag in the first place!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Ok, I see what you mean.

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Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

what sigs were they?

[Shake n Bake]

Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

thats because when they do it it's freedom of speech

When we do it it's disrespectful

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I've never seen someone with a burning us flag in their avatar or sig

[budanski]

Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

what sigs were they?

"It's amazing how people still use 9-11 to justify American imperialism. Wake up and do some research. You've been conned with the use of fear by multi-national corporations into a series of wars to justify the consolidation of resources and wealth by an elite few."

To make such statements is being disrepectful to the victims.

[Elmo]

Anyone who fails to recognize that 9/11 is being used as a political tool lives in a patriotic dream world.

Nothing to do with disrespect.

[IDFM203]

Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.budanski I am with you on this….I see lots of hypocrisy here from some members (and even some of the more “respected” ones)


Its not just this, I mean the ganging up on some members and their far right comments (and I am not saying I agree with all that they say) from some that openly tolerated comments from members from the extreme left (which in my opinion is more prevalent here) is my opinion appalling and hypocritical.


As for this, well I have mixed feelings, on one hand I am disgusted on how the UN has been hijacked over the years by bodies of nations and their agendas that have made the UN very partial to one side and view (at a huge detriment to any fair and honest outlook on things), and I could go on in detail on how the UN isn’t impartial and as such has been very damaging to a lot of peoples trust, but on the other hand on this forum we have members that were soldiers with the blue helmet and no matter what, respect needs to be shown.

As such the flag burning might be over the top though I am sure there are other ways to highlight any disproval of the UN without burning a flag, which is a very personal symbol to members that wore it in their service.

Just my 2 cents…………

Shalom :D

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Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

what sigs were they?

"It's amazing how people still use 9-11 to justify American imperialism. Wake up and do some research. You've been conned with the use of fear by multi-national corporations into a series of wars to justify the consolidation of resources and wealth by an elite few."

To make such statements is being disrepectful to the victims.

is it still there? I rarely read sigs

[budanski]

Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

what sigs were they?

"It's amazing how people still use 9-11 to justify American imperialism. Wake up and do some research. You've been conned with the use of fear by multi-national corporations into a series of wars to justify the consolidation of resources and wealth by an elite few."

To make such statements is being disrepectful to the victims.

is it still there? I rarely read sigs

Its still there, but he hadnt been posting. Spiers changed his though, which was along the same tune before he was banned.

[fdt]

Well, I think that despite all UN deficiencies and weaknesses no country in the World truly wishes this organization to dissolve. Even present Republican administration that is very far from cheering the UN in present shape, feels that the UN, as the idea, has a positive potential. No govt no country will dare call openly for the UN cancellation in the foreseeable future. I bet, that even if "our GWB" would really become an US president he wouldn't dare to make any attempt to dissolve UN...

One more thing. UN despite it has the positive potential (in civilizing the world policy and the humanitarian issues or other blah blah) to do all the idealistic and humanistic things, noone shall forget that it's also the very handy tool for the World's superpowers to have a good alibi for "straightening up" the smaller countries. So far US could play that fiddle very well, and for many times US felt that some national interests look better when imposed under the UN flag than under stars and stripes. UN needs US and vice versa... so I am quite calm about it's existence... ;). Open question remains.... what will be the UN future shape?

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Its not just this, I mean the ganging up on some members and their far right comments (and I am not saying I agree with all that they say) from some that openly tolerated comments from members from the extreme left (which in my opinion is more prevalent here) is my opinion appalling and hypocritical.

extreme left? like communism? on this site? are you sure?



As for this, well I have mixed feelings, on one hand I am disgusted on how the UN has been hijacked over the years by bodies of nations and their agendas that have made the UN very partial to one side and view (at a huge detriment to any fair and honest outlook on things), and I could go on in detail on how the UN isn’t impartial and as such has been very damaging to a lot of peoples trust, but on the other hand on this forum we have members that were soldiers with the blue helmet and no matter what, respect needs to be shown.

many countries accuse the UN of being not least arabs because they see it as a tool of the west.



As such the flag burning might be over the top though I am sure there are other ways to highlight any disproval of the UN without burning a flag, which is a very personal symbol to members that wore it in their service.


I agree, pehaps a sig?

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Thats funny. I don't remember anyone of our european "allies" making any hoopla over sigs belonging to mortimer and spier.

what sigs were they?

"It's amazing how people still use 9-11 to justify American imperialism. Wake up and do some research. You've been conned with the use of fear by multi-national corporations into a series of wars to justify the consolidation of resources and wealth by an elite few."

To make such statements is being disrepectful to the victims.

is it still there? I rarely read sigs

Its still there, but he hadnt been posting. Spiers changed his though, which was along the same tune before he was banned.

I agree with you, but then they are no longer here, George Wangchung Bush is however.

[IDFM203]

[quote=IDFM203]

Its not just this, I mean the ganging up on some members and their far right comments (and I am not saying I agree with all that they say) from some that openly tolerated comments from members from the extreme left (which in my opinion is more prevalent here) is my opinion appalling and hypocritical.

extreme left? like communism? on this site? are you sure? . I don’t want to get into these kinds of labels here on what constitutes extreme left.


Put it this way, as much Euro bashing and the like from some on the right here, I saw the exact same American, Israeli, Russian bashing from the opposite spectrum.

You know the names but there are some members that stand out form both spectrums but yet one side is tolerated more by some of the more “esteemed” members while the other is ganged up on by some of those same members.




As for this, well I have mixed feelings, on one hand I am disgusted on how the UN has been hijacked over the years by bodies of nations and their agendas that have made the UN very partial to one side and view (at a huge detriment to any fair and honest outlook on things), and I could go on in detail on how the UN isn’t impartial and as such has been very damaging to a lot of peoples trust, but on the other hand on this forum we have members that were soldiers with the blue helmet and no matter what, respect needs to be shown.


many countries accuse the UN of being not least arabs because they see it as a tool of the west.
Yes every one sees everything a certain way (and some also present things a certain way for the gullible west) how ever it doesn’t make it true.

Ask Argyll (and those who remember me from when I first joined) I am fully propered to go at it with tons of details to back up my point here, but I don’t think this is the thread for it.

The fact is that my comments stand regardless of what the Arabs (who have along with the soviet block have made a lot of those one sided resolutions that never had any impartial feel to it but rather made the UN look like a tool for its interests etc. etc..)

The Arabs shouldn’t be complaining or saying that the UN is suited for western interests over theirs when the opposite is true etc etc….

Anyways this isnt a debate about the UN, its about the flag buring and on this we both agree!


Shalom :D

[Rantanplan]

The disrespectful behavior in this Form goes realy to far. ;) :lol:

[Argyll]

Argyll, i am not going to do that, but i could say that WE saw no threat in the IRA junkies who were given asylum.
Futhermore, it was our expectation that your authorities would detain the f*ckers.
I mean if they are inncoent little sheep, WTF where British muslims doing in Afghanistan?
Setting up new groceries?

It was who's expectation? Yours or the USA's?
Lets see in 2 years of detention,2 years of "Questioning",2 years of whatever,the only person to be charged with anything has been an "AMERICAN"!!!
There have been lots of people let go from Gitmo in the past 2 years,with no charges brought against them...............why?
For your information one of them was detained in PAKISTAN,and handed over to the American's.

The UK Press are going to have a field day with all this,as they were deemed innocent by the US Authorities,and these guys do not paint a pretty picture of their treatment at the hands of the US/UK Intelligence agencies during their internment!!

You also seem to forget that there are 4 more Brits over there who have not been freed!

Bottom Line is so far the only one charged,and even that was pure Poitical BS,has been JWL..........why?
This guy was directly involved in the resulting death of Johnny Spann at Qual I Janghi.........tell me are you expecting the rest of these AQ's to get life sentences,or the death sentance?
Why was Lindh given a plea bargain?

[Tributal]

Having a burning UN flag (or any other flag for that matter) as an avatar isn't constructive criticism of the organisation or nation that the flag represents - it's just stating hate and contempt without pointing to a reason. If GWB et al would specify why they oppose the UN (like say in a sig line) then we might at least be able to undertand their reasoning, but a burning flag doesn't give us any such information.

@Budanski; in regards to the sig lines with quotes by Mortimer and Spier - it can be hard for Europeans to see the disrespect in the quote you posted but if you or any other american feel that a sigline is disrespectful it's up to you to challange it. Maybe you guys did (I didn't search to see) but that sigline is much different than a burning flag, and therefore you can expect more hoopla in regards to the latter.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Argyll, i am not going to do that, but i could say that WE saw no threat in the IRA junkies who were given asylum.
Futhermore, it was our expectation that your authorities would detain the f*ckers.
I mean if they are inncoent little sheep, WTF where British muslims doing in Afghanistan?
Setting up new groceries?

It was who's expectation? Yours or the USA's?
Lets see in 2 years of detention,2 years of "Questioning",2 years of whatever,the only person to be charged with anything has been an "AMERICAN"!!!
There have been lots of people let go from Gitmo in the past 2 years,with no charges brought against them...............why?
For your information one of them was detained in PAKISTAN,and handed over to the American's.

The UK Press are going to have a field day with all this,as they were deemed innocent by the US Authorities,and these guys do not paint a pretty picture of their treatment at the hands of the US/UK Intelligence agencies during their internment!!

You also seem to forget that there are 4 more Brits over there who have not been freed!

Bottom Line is so far the only one charged,and even that was pure Poitical BS,has been JWL..........why?
This guy was directly involved in the resulting death of Johnny Spann at Qual I Janghi.........tell me are you expecting the rest of these AQ's to get life sentences,or the death sentance?
Why was Lindh given a plea bargain?
The **** they said about Gitmo is such utter BS ppl have to be mentally disturbed t believe it


But Jamal’s most shocking disclosure centred on the use of vice girls to torment the most religiously devout detainees.

Prisoners who had never seen an “unveiled” woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.

The men would return distraught. One said an American girl had smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act of humiliation.

Jamal said: “I knew of this happening about 10 times. It always seemed to be those who were very young or known to be particularly religious who would be taken away.

”I would joke with the other British lads, ‘Bring them to us - we’ll have them’. It made us laugh. But the Americans obviously knew we wouldn’t be shocked by seeing Western women, so they didn’t bother.

“It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened. It would take perhaps four weeks for them to tell a friend - and we would shout it out around the whole block.”


As for Lindh he should have been executed by a firing squad the second he stepped on U.S. soil.

[Argyll]

Argyll, i am not going to do that, but i could say that WE saw no threat in the IRA junkies who were given asylum.
Futhermore, it was our expectation that your authorities would detain the f*ckers.
I mean if they are inncoent little sheep, WTF where British muslims doing in Afghanistan?
Setting up new groceries?

It was who's expectation? Yours or the USA's?
Lets see in 2 years of detention,2 years of "Questioning",2 years of whatever,the only person to be charged with anything has been an "AMERICAN"!!!
There have been lots of people let go from Gitmo in the past 2 years,with no charges brought against them...............why?
For your information one of them was detained in PAKISTAN,and handed over to the American's.

The UK Press are going to have a field day with all this,as they were deemed innocent by the US Authorities,and these guys do not paint a pretty picture of their treatment at the hands of the US/UK Intelligence agencies during their internment!!

You also seem to forget that there are 4 more Brits over there who have not been freed!

Bottom Line is so far the only one charged,and even that was pure Poitical BS,has been JWL..........why?
This guy was directly involved in the resulting death of Johnny Spann at Qual I Janghi.........tell me are you expecting the rest of these AQ's to get life sentences,or the death sentance?
Why was Lindh given a plea bargain?
The **** they said about Gitmo is such utter BS ppl have to be mentally disturbed t believe it


But Jamal’s most shocking disclosure centred on the use of vice girls to torment the most religiously devout detainees.

Prisoners who had never seen an “unveiled” woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.

The men would return distraught. One said an American girl had smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act of humiliation.

Jamal said: “I knew of this happening about 10 times. It always seemed to be those who were very young or known to be particularly religious who would be taken away.

”I would joke with the other British lads, ‘Bring them to us - we’ll have them’. It made us laugh. But the Americans obviously knew we wouldn’t be shocked by seeing Western women, so they didn’t bother.

“It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened. It would take perhaps four weeks for them to tell a friend - and we would shout it out around the whole block.”


As for Lindh he should have been executed by a firing squad the second he stepped on U.S. soil.



First off,you were not there in Gitmo to debunk their stories and neither was I,but they're not the only ones who reported the same treatment!!

and I agree 100% about Lindh!!

[UkrainianAmerican]

Who else mentioned the "temptress torture"?
I wanna get torture in Guantanamo too :lol:

[budanski]

First off,you were not there in Gitmo to debunk their stories and neither was I,but they're not the only ones who reported the same treatment!!

and I agree 100% about Lindh!!

Hey pal, I posted this (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=175972&highlight=#175972) the other day.

[Argyll]

First off,you were not there in Gitmo to debunk their stories and neither was I,but they're not the only ones who reported the same treatment!!

and I agree 100% about Lindh!!

Hey pal, I posted this (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=175972&highlight=#175972) the other day.


Cheers mate!!

RA I wonder who paid for the Hookers? ;)

[Yard Ape]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, and exerting influence on the US of A.You sound like Sixgun with your anti-UN paranoia. How does the UN control the USA when the US is one of the permanent members of the Security Council? The US has a veto before matters are even given to the general assembly to vote on. If anything, the UN provides a handful of nations (including the US) with extra power to control the affairs of the rest of the world.

[Yard Ape]

Yeah, democratic institution, lol
Full of undemovratic regimes.
Yep... exaple: Security council - with veto option given to 5 coutries... last time when we had a veto in poland was 1772 and it ended up in partition of poland since one bribed person was always able to veto every act issued in poladn i.e. new tax for army... Now same situation is in UN

UN is hadicaped institution but still it provided peace in many parts of the world and is still providing.This was well isllustrated leading up to the invasion of Iraq. Both sides promissed to Veto any motion other than thier own. This left the UN entirely ineffective to address the WMD and treaty violation issues.

[Jackel]

Stop whinning

[George W. Bush]

You lack discipline!

My CPU is a neural net processor, a learning computer.

I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions, and I want to have them answered immediately.

[ShadowNeo]

Rockem Sockem Jetpack!

Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers!

[RSK]

It's cool indeed in some heavy metal way...but we all know from what pic this skull was taken and we know primary purpose of that "exhibition"...

That's pity if real skull was used but i suppose that is from some sceleton mockup.

No, thats a real skull!

I posted that pic a few days ago.

[UkrainianAmerican]

It's cool indeed in some heavy metal way...but we all know from what pic this skull was taken and we know primary purpose of that "exhibition"...

That's pity if real skull was used but i suppose that is from some sceleton mockup.

No, thats a real skull!

I posted that pic a few days ago.
Hehe, now kingpin will have to remove it, hehe.

[soma]

Lmao... ban everyone.

[AK-Lover]

Yeah no doubt, I think the moderators are to uptight about things like skulls,flag burning,anti-whateverism :D Sorry to you moderators but that's just my personal view. Why all the up-tightness? :|

[Trigger]

Just get a f**king monkey for an avatar and be cool!
p-)

[Gordon]

Just get a f**king monkey for an avatar and be cool!
p-)

f**king right.

to the the bunch of you that don't see the problem with what's happening in this thread - "you just don't get it".

[Kingpin]

It's cool indeed in some heavy metal way...but we all know from what pic this skull was taken and we know primary purpose of that "exhibition"...

That's pity if real skull was used but i suppose that is from some sceleton mockup.

No, thats a real skull!

I posted that pic a few days ago.

In medical institutes used skeletons made of real bones. So who know

[Guttorm]

Just get a f**king monkey for an avatar and be cool!
p-)

I think my avatar should be regarded monkeyish.... :D

[Ichhabe]

Well... I see that you two "gentlemen" has decided to keep you burning flag and skull.

To sad.

(Have some pictures of a dying UN-soldier. Should I post it aswell? So you can photoshop it??

[Kingpin]

(Have some pictures of a dying UN-soldier. Should I post it aswell? So you can photoshop it??

For what purpose?

[Ichhabe]

(Have some pictures of a dying UN-soldier. Should I post it aswell? So you can photoshop it??

For what purpose?

...actually. ****ing forget it. I'm so pissed and angered now that I can't give a friggin civilized answer, even if such scum o the earth ass heads like you doesn't deserve it.

[Upfrontreporting]

Moderators please do your job, take away these two disgusting avatars, as a lot of other people I find them highly offensive. I served as a UN soldier and almost got killed while serving and as of that I find symbols like that disgusting. I see the UN flag not only as an international organisation, on a personal level I see it as a symbol of good times as well as very bad times, which is why seeing people "pissing" on that symbol makes my angry, it's a personal thing. With that in mind it's no different than pissing on any national, unit, or religious symbol.

And no, I'm deffinately not defending the UN in general, I think the UN is very flawed in many ways, although on some points it still retains some raison d'etre.



regards.
Upfrontreporting.

[khukuri]

G W Bush, permskii and all you who thinks its okay to have a burning un flag

I dont like the some of the policy of usa and russia, since I have freedom of speech and to critisice usa/russia and bla bla bla would it be okay for me to have an avatar of a burning us/russian flag?

not that I would want to.

think of it in that way

[Geezah]

I will ABSOLUTELY love the UN when they stop providing cover for terrorists, being a haven for anti-Americanism, exerting influence on the US of A.

What were your views on the same UN that your country belonged to prior to the Gulf war,when they suited your purpose?

Is this the same USA who gave IRA terrorists shelter?

Is this the same USA who allowed IRA fundraising activities on their soil?


Hasn't that been debunked already?

majority of people in this country never even heard of the IRA... let alone support their cause.

Maybe if you live in the back hills of North Carolina, the funding came from Irish Americans in places like New York and Chicago.

[Argyll]

Yeah no doubt, I think the moderators are to uptight about things like skulls,flag burning,anti-whateverism :D Sorry to you moderators but that's just my personal view. Why all the up-tightness? :|



;) That's why you're not a moderator and I am!!

Hood does not like this Country bashing/Religion bashing,as this is his site I'll add that perhaps you should all respect the mans views.
I have nothing against lighthearted banter,of which it used to be,but now,it's become downright offensive,where there is no intention to post informative topics,but more to incite certain nationalities.

GWB how would you feel if perhaps all the former eastern bloc lads decided to have a burning NATO flag?,whether it is a meare institution or a country,you're being ignorant and disrespectful.....just think about it please

[cbreedon]

the world does not evolve around the USA!!!!

For better or worse it does.

[Royal]

Personally I couldn't give a f**k about the UN. They're the most corrupt bunch of whores I've ever had the misfortune to work with/for (with the possible exception of the EU) BUT I too have seen mates die for that ****ty blue beret and a poxy brass medal or rather to try to make places like Gorazde a safer place for the innocent civilians there.

Disrespect the organisation all you like, but please do not disrespect the men that fought and died under it.

[RomanS]

G W Bush, permskii and all you who thinks its okay to have a burning un flag

I dont like the some of the policy of usa and russia, since I have freedom of speech and to critisice usa/russia and bla bla bla would it be okay for me to have an avatar of a burning us/russian flag?

not that I would want to.

think of it in that way

HOW IN THE WORLD DID I GET INTO THIS ????????

I don't care who's flag is burning, I'm here to post photos.

STOP USING MY NAME IN YOUR TROLLING FLAMEWARS!!!

[Argyll]

G W Bush, permskii and all you who thinks its okay to have a burning un flag

I dont like the some of the policy of usa and russia, since I have freedom of speech and to critisice usa/russia and bla bla bla would it be okay for me to have an avatar of a burning us/russian flag?

not that I would want to.

think of it in that way

HOW IN THE WORLD DID I GET INTO THIS ????????

I don't care who's flag is burning, I'm here to post photos.

STOP USING MY NAME IN YOUR TROLLING FLAMEWARS!!!


woot so got any new stuff to post yet?

[Durandal]

F*ck, you guys need to chill.

[khukuri]

sorry permskiii i though you were on g w bushs side, maybe read something wrong

[sixgun_symphony]

[img]
As you expect that we that are not citizens of the USA will respect the Stars & Stripes, I expect that you to aswell show respect for symbols that we put in high order.


The UN is the framework for a socialist world government. It is a threat to national soveriegnty and I would see it dissolved.

[Rantanplan]

[img]
As you expect that we that are not citizens of the USA will respect the Stars & Stripes, I expect that you to aswell show respect for symbols that we put in high order.


Ich sucked Adolf Hitlers ****.

Nazi Faggot

[Yard Ape]

[img]
As you expect that we that are not citizens of the USA will respect the Stars & Stripes, I expect that you to aswell show respect for symbols that we put in high order.


The UN is the framework for a socialist world government. It is a threat to national soveriegnty and I would see it dissolved.Good to see your back to your old fearmongering.

[sixgun_symphony]

Another socialist Canuck... :roll:

[Yard Ape]

Another socialist Canuck... :roll:It is easy to just throw labels around to avoid arguments. Do you care to address your hypocrisy in advocating dignity, rights, and freedoms that apply to you while openly not caring about the dignity, rights, and freedoms of non-Americans?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183994#183994


.

[IsdatU]

There is no dignity, rights, or freedoms to be found in the UN.

[Yard Ape]

There is no dignity, rights, or freedoms to be found in the UN.I am certain those who benifit from UNICEF & other humanitarian and aid elements of the UN agree.

The UN has many faults. Buracracy, inefficiency, political paralysation, etc. However, its objective of a better world is noble & worthy. We would be better served to resolve the problems than to dissolve the UN.

In his breif return, Sixgun has again chosen not to address the hyporcacy that arises across a spectrum of his posts.

[IsdatU]

There is no dignity, rights, or freedoms to be found in the UN.I am certain those who benifit from UNICEF & other humanitarian and aid elements of the UN agree.

The UN has many faults. Buracracy, inefficiency, political paralysation, etc. However, its objective of a better world is noble & worthy. We would be better served to resolve the problems than to dissolve the UN.

In his breif return, Sixgun has again chosen not to address the hyporcacy that arises across a spectrum of his posts.

Sixgun was too busy with a flame war with Rantanplan to do much else.

Anyway, I do not see anything noble about the UN and charity work has often been used by scoundrels to gain public favor.

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use just one username, coward

[Haiw]

Oh god...now he starts making a discussion with multiple accounts. Does he have that wacko multiple personality dissorder?!