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Nick_Karatzides
04-27-2006, 06:46 PM
Douglas C-47 Dakota Mk IV

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Canadair CL-13 Mk II Sabre

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Lockheed TF/F-104G Starfighter

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Convair TF/F-102A Delta Dagger

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Northrop N/RF/F-5A/B Freedom Fighter

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PZL Okecie Mielec M-18BS Dromader

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NAMC YS-11A

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Lockheed C-130B/D/H Hercules

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Bombardier Canadair CL-215/415

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Mc Donnell Douglas RF/F-4E Phantom II

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Vought T-2E Buckeye

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Vought LTV TA/A-7H/E Corsair II

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Dassault Mirage F-1CG

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Dassault Mirage 2000EG

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Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Fighting Falcon

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Aerospatiale AS-332C1 Super Puma

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Embraer EMB-135LR & ERJ-135LR

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Embraer EMB-135BJ Legacy

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Gulfstream Aerospace GV Gulfstream V

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Embraer EMB-145AEW

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Agusta A-109E Power

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Alenia C-27J Spartan

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Nick_Karatzides
04-27-2006, 07:14 PM
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HEAT
04-27-2006, 07:40 PM
Nice start :)

ed316
04-27-2006, 07:42 PM
Nice pics but where's the "action"?

Marvin!!
04-27-2006, 07:50 PM
Nice pics but where's the "action"?

Yeah nice photos, but that's what I was wondering :p

iGrooCk
04-27-2006, 07:53 PM
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/7/0/6/0959607.jpg

OUch thats got to be the ugliest POS i have ever seen...


nice pix man.

Nick_Karatzides
04-27-2006, 07:57 PM
Nice pics but where's the "action"?
Yeah nice photos, but that's what I was wondering :p Man, I've just started this topic! :hug: Be patient and give me some time! After all I have to choose what video to upload.


:) woot :roll:


PS. Some of them... are really HOT and I wouldn't like to start a flame war for nothing with the neighboors.

Marvin!!
04-27-2006, 08:00 PM
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/7/0/6/0959607.jpg

OUch thats got to be the ugliest POS i have ever seen...


nice pix man.
I like the Corsair.... Has that rugged charm :p

speckfire
04-27-2006, 08:36 PM
Thanks for sharing..Excellent pics.

GREEK71AIRBORNE
04-27-2006, 09:05 PM
@Nick you are the man!!!
http://70.85.81.229/2760/108/emo/worshippy.gifhttp://70.85.81.229/2760/108/emo/worshippy.gifhttp://70.85.81.229/2760/108/emo/worshippy.gifhttp://70.85.81.229/2760/108/emo/worshippy.gif

my small contribution
F16
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/2766/dscf14928kh.jpg
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http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/afj.sized.jpg
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http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/afx.sized.jpg
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http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/agg.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/agp.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/agx.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/ahc.sized.jpg
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http://www.f-16.net/PhotoGallery/album15/ajk.sized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/Alepou340MB/991908_resize.jpg

MIRAGE2000
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3738/1gmirage57660fe.jpg
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http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9288/m2000kj1gu.jpg


MIRAGE F1
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3713/miragef1tigris1mr.jpg

A-7E CORSAIR
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2774/8adaa75yy.jpg

EMB-145AEW
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http://www.airliners.net/photos/middle/2/5/9/1002952.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/photos/middle/7/4/0/0998047.jpg


CROTALE SAM
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3614/crotale1uo.jpg


S-300
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8261/s300krhth2za.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
04-27-2006, 09:11 PM
Video added! AVI file 976 Kb. You can dowload the Hellenic Air Force F-16 landing HUD view video by clicking HERE (http://www.sendspace.com/file/bwspdx)


http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8246/hellenicairforcef16landinghudv.th.jpg

Marvin!!
04-27-2006, 09:12 PM
Those CFTs totally ruin the Viper's sleek lines :(

nullterm
04-27-2006, 09:23 PM
Nice to see Corsairs and Phantoms still in use. I want that job. p-)

Nick_Karatzides
04-27-2006, 09:39 PM
Video added! AVI file 4 Mb. You can dowload the Hellenic Air Force Fighter Weapons School video by clicking HERE (http://www.sendspace.com/file/01s6zy)


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3872/hellenicairforcefighterweapons.th.jpg

GREEK71AIRBORNE
04-27-2006, 10:27 PM
Some more Mirage2000

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/6/3/5/0973536.jpg
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TriggerHappy
04-28-2006, 05:18 AM
Good job guys.
Keep them coming.


PS:
From old airplanes.
F-102 delta dagger is very ugly.
F-5 is a beauty.
Mirage F-1 is gorgeous.

Dark Avenger
04-28-2006, 06:44 AM
F-102 delta dagger is very ugly.



Far from ugly, looks kinda like an overgrown Mirage. Big Is Beautiful!!! If only it had a gun...

PATROL 5
04-28-2006, 07:44 AM
Nice work Nikolaki.
Keep the good post.

Χαιρετισμούς και στον άλλο Νίκο.

Nick_Karatzides
04-28-2006, 08:16 AM
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Nick_Karatzides
04-28-2006, 02:51 PM
http://ta-nea.dolnet.gr/data/D2003/D0307/3el19a.jpg


19yo Hellenic Air Force Academy cadet Athanasia Maria Terzopoulou, while inspecting underwing her Cessna T-41D Mescalero aircraft on pre-flight procedures before another training flight.

GREEK71AIRBORNE
04-28-2006, 04:44 PM
CANADAIR CL-215/415 ON ACTION

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Kaplanr
04-28-2006, 04:52 PM
Is the Dakota still in use with the Air Force? I regret that we sold all ours.

TriggerHappy
04-28-2006, 04:58 PM
Is the Dakota still in use with the Air Force? I regret that we sold all ours.
Yes.

Last week I had one over my head many times.

CRTS27
04-28-2006, 05:18 PM
No they are not! We just keep a pair for historic flights! ;)

PS: Niko, Great post, Great pics! woot

buckeyedoc
04-29-2006, 12:27 AM
The A-7 Corsair is one of my alltime favorite aircraft. It looks cool as hell and it's functional. What else do you need?

Also, Nick, just be careful with hotlinking images.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72295

Nick_Karatzides
04-29-2006, 09:08 AM
Also, Nick, just be careful with hotlinking images. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72295 Next person to hotlink pictures to another website that I recieve a complaint about gets banned for life!! Guys, please do not post pictures that are copyright,or you have no permission to use them,it's common courtesy, I've had several complaints from website's where hotlinking has taken place,it's using their bandwidth,and gets us into trouble...if you're unsure, then don't post!! If you must leave the url for the website. Goldman, sorry mate but these complaints are aimed at you,whilst we all appreciate quality pics, makesure you have permission to use them,or provide a link to the pics in question, I've had 2 complaints today alone.

All the pictures I sent, had written the site I hotlinked them from and the photographer's name. Isn't enough? Take as example the following picture. The photographer's name NEIL JONES and the link AIRLINERS.NET are visible:


http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/8/6/6/0933668.jpg

HEAT
04-30-2006, 06:10 AM
Ok no photo but in action!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/aegeanrescue.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/falconcopy.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT

Resurrection
04-30-2006, 06:19 AM
All the pictures I sent, had written the site I hotlinked them from and the photographer's name. Isn't enough? Take as example the following picture. The photographer's name NEIL JONES and the link AIRLINERS.NET are visible

It has more to do with bandwidth than any copyright issues. Just host them on Imageshack to be on the safe side.

GREEK71AIRBORNE
04-30-2006, 08:04 PM
F-16D Block 52+ (missionised)
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F-16CJ Block 50D
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EMB-145 ERIEYE AWACS
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EMB-145 VIP
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TACNAVMOD P-3 Orion
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C-130H Hercules
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T-2E Buckeye
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T-6A+ Texan
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GREEK71AIRBORNE
04-30-2006, 08:14 PM
Ok no photo but in action!!!

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT

Thats a fantastic job!!!
Bravo!

P.S. Check your PM

Nick_Karatzides
05-02-2006, 08:54 PM
http://www.e-haf.org/homepage/modules/coppermine/albums/Cockpits/GR_PILOT.jpg

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Resurrection
05-02-2006, 08:56 PM
Great pics, love that F-16. What has your experience been so far with the CFTs on them? Have the positives outweighed the negatives?

Icarus_222
05-03-2006, 01:04 AM
Great pics, love that F-16. What has your experience been so far with the CFTs on them? Have the positives outweighed the negatives?

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2006/articles/jan_06/souda/index.html

The conformal fuel tanks, or CFTs, on the other hand, alter the appearance of this F-16 radically. The two tanks, which are attached on the upper fuselage, give the Block 52+ a muscular look. More importantly, they add about 3,000 pounds of fuel without sacrificing a weapon station.

"We had some hesitation with the CFTs in the beginning because we knew so little about them," admits Fasoulas. "We didn't know how the airplane would behave with the extra weight. But we discovered the airplane behaves perfectly. The CFTs are favored by most of the pilots because they can fly longer and go farther. And they experience virtually no difference in the handling characteristics. We can still pull nine g's with the CFTs.

"In fact, the Block 52+ has similar handling characteristics to our Block 30 and Block 50 F-16s," Fasoulas continues. "Handling is actually a little calmer, which has nothing to do with the CFTs. I sense that the Block 52+ has a more evolved flight control system."

"The extra range benefits the air-to-ground missions slightly more than the air-to-air missions because range is more critical for those missions," Fasoulas adds. "Still, the tanks also benefit air-to-air missions because the pilots can patrol for longer periods."

"The CFTs extend the duration of our missions. The actual time depends on the profile," adds Capt. Padelis Zambakolas, a pilot with 340 Squadron. "They can extend range for hundreds of miles as well."

Scyth
05-03-2006, 06:39 AM
http://www.e-haf.org/homepage/modules/coppermine/albums/airplanes/A-7_fy2.jpg

What's this malakies hanging beneath the Corsair?

Nick_Karatzides
05-03-2006, 07:13 AM
What's this malakies hanging beneath the Corsair?
"malakies" means *********ion (in Greek language)


Aha! I was waiting for a "smart" little Turk boy to come in this topic and write his stupid answer. Is that you? Well boy, I don't know what is your conection with the word "malakies" (*********ion) - propably you exercise on a daily basis - but I would say that it would be more nice for all of us to keep a level in your way to express your feelings.

As for your question, this "thing" hanging beneath the A-7 Corsair II is the AIRBRAKE.

Scyth
05-03-2006, 07:46 AM
Whatever gets you going Nick. Thanx for the answer part of your post.

PATROL 5
05-03-2006, 08:28 AM
NIKO keep the good post of all this images and forget the guys that say or post malakies for a habit.

TriggerHappy
05-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Re magkes mhn asxoliste me ton kathe mlk tourko pou grafei hlithiotites.

Don't mind him.
He is just a turk.

Nick_Karatzides
05-03-2006, 07:10 PM
Whatever gets you going Nick. Thanx for the answer part of your post.Scyth, under any KIND & POLITE factors, you are very welcome. Thanks for your interest on HAF's A-7 Corsair II. Also check the following picture for checking the airbrake:


http://www.voughtaircraft.com/gallery/historic/A7/YA7H_Trainer.jpg


NIKO keep the good post of all this images and forget the guys that say or post malakies for a habit.PATROL5, maybe he didn't know what the specific word mean in Greek language. I believe now he knows, he will be more carefull. After all, he kindly shown interest for HAF.



Don't mind him. He is just a turk.Ssssssh! Cool brother. Cool. He didn't know. Please do not bite before get bitten :)

TriggerHappy
05-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Ssssssh! Cool brother. Cool. He didn't know. Please do not bite before get bitten :)

Didn't meant that way.

I mean he is propably one of those young people full of nationalism who finds it "patriotic" to pick a fight with what they consider the "enemy".

In this case the "enemy" are we the Greeks.

I read his posts in the other thread so i got some sonclusion.

SO

Don't mind him, he is a young turk.

Nick_Karatzides
05-03-2006, 09:26 PM
http://www.e-haf.org/homepage/modules/coppermine/albums/airplanes/GREECE_TURKEY.jpg


Emblems of Hellenic Air Force combat wings



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110th Combat Wing


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111st Combat Wing


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112nd Combat Wing





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113rd Combat Wing





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114th Combat Wing





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115th Combat Wing





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116th Combat Wing


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117th Combat Wing



Emblems of Hellenic Air Force squadrons




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330th Squadron




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331st Squadron



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332nd Squadron


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334th Squadron


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335th Squadron


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336th Squadron


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336yh Squadron (old)


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337th Squadron (old)



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337th Squadron



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338th Squadron (old)


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338th Squadron


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339th Squadron (old)


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339th Squadron


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340th Squadron


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341st Squadron



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342nd Squadron


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342nd Squadron (old)


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343rd Squadron (old)


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343rd Squadron


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345th Squadron


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346th Squadron


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347th Squadron (until 1997 when it flew A-7H)


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348th Squadron


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349th Squadron


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353rd Squadron


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354thSquadron (old)


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354th Squadron (old)


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354th Squadron


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355th Squadron


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355/1 Squadron


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356thSquadron


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358th Squadron


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358th Squadron


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360th Squadron


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361st Squadron


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362nd Squadron


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363rd Squadron



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Air Academy


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Weapons and Tactics School


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Center for Advanced Tactics




Aircraft type shoulder patches





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Mirage F-1CG






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F-4E Phantom II





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A-7H Corsair II






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F-5A Freedom Fighter




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C-130H/B Hercules





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HU-16B Albatross





Old unit & special purposes



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13th "Hellenic" Squadron (1941-1945)


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13th Flight / 355 Transport Squadron when it took part in the Korean War 1950-53.





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"Hellenic Flame" aerobatic team (1962-1965)

cinoeye
05-03-2006, 09:45 PM
Nice photos. HAF is very good! :)

Scyth
05-04-2006, 06:49 AM
Any plans in the pipeline for a Greek aerobatics team?

GREEK71AIRBORNE
05-04-2006, 08:08 PM
F-16BL 52+
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 01:37 PM
F-16BL 52+ Wow - wow - wow! My brother GREEK-AIRBORNE, thanks for the great "in - action" F-16 pics! Seems like Mr. Tokunaga did some good job on while flying with HAF pilots for this set of pictures, right? Thanks for posting and sharing with us. Also, read the following article and pictures about the HAF's F-16 Block 50/52:


F-16s Over The Aegean



Photo Essay By Katsuhiko Tokunaga
Text By Eric Hehs


Keraunos, Greek for lightning, refers to the thunderbolts flung by Zeus, the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and overseer of the pantheon of gods who reside there. The Hellenic Air Force attaches the appellation to its 330 squadron at Nea Anchialos AB. The 330 Keraunos squadron proudly identifies itself as Greece's first F-16 squadron. The unit celebrated fifteen years in its fighting falcons in January 2004.


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2004/articles/apr_04/f16/images/agean01_lr.jpg


The 330th has three sister squadrons at Nea Anchialos, 346 Squadron (Jason, after the mythical Argonaut who searched for the Golden Fleece), 341 Squadron (Assos, Greek for Ace), and the 347 Squadron (Perseus, who cut the head off the Gorgon Medusa in Greek mythology). The 330th flies Block 30 F-16s and performs air defense missions. The 346th, an F-16 training unit, operates two-seat Block 30 F-16Ds borrowed from the 330th. The 341st flies Block 50 F-16s in the suppression of enemy air defense, or SEAD, role. All three squadrons fall under the 111 Wing of the Hellenic Air Force.


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2004/articles/apr_04/f16/images/agean02_lr.jpg


Greece has been a member of NATO since 1952 and has played an important role in defending NATO's southern flank. The 111th has a NATO commitment as well. The 341 Squadron is part of NATO's Rapid Reaction Force. Following NATO evaluations in 2005, all three operational squadrons at Nea Anchialos are expected to have NATO commitments.


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2004/articles/apr_04/f16/images/agean03_lr.jpg


Col. John Vizandios, who commands the 111 Wing, was one of the first F-16 pilots in the HAF. "I was fortunate to be in the initial team of six Greek pilots who received F-16 training in the United States in the late 1980s," he explains. "All six of us were on the runway here at Nea Anchialos in 1988 waiting for the first flight of F-16s to arrive." Vizandios is a former F-4 pilot. Other veteran HAF F-16 pilots have experience in the F-5, Mirage, and the F-104.


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2004/articles/apr_04/f16/images/agean04_lr.jpg


Nea Anchialos AB is located on the Adriatic coast just south of Volos, which is at about the midpoint between Athens to the south and Thessaloniki to the north, Greece's largest and second-largest cities, respectively. Nea Anchialos is in Greece's Pelion region, which is known as the land of the mythical Centaurs, creatures with a body half human and half horse. Today, the region is better known by tourists and locals for its beautiful combination of verdant mountains and clear blue sea. Nea Anchialos-based F-16 pilots are treated to stunning vistas from the best seat in the world.

The wing's diverse squadrons—flying SEAD, air-to-air, and air-to-ground missions—provide a unique training environment. "The 111th can create what amounts to a composite package with its own aircraft," notes Vizandios. "We don't need to ask for support or escort from other bases to provide realistic training. I expect that the Block 52+ squadrons being formed at Suda in Crete will have the same capability, but in a single F-16 type."

Col. Elias Venetis, the deputy base commander at Nea Anchialos, was also a member of the first six Greek pilots trained in the F-16. "When I was introduced to F-16, the biggest challenge was transitioning from a second-generation fighter, the F-5, to a third-generation fighter," Venetis recalls. "The F-16 was full of avionics and provided capabilities far beyond the F-5. Pilots transitioning to the F-16 had to change their way of thinking. Former F-5, F-4, and A-7 pilots had to forget old habits and learn new ones. This was the biggest challenge in training new F-16 pilots, which became the responsibility of our initial group of six. We did a good job. The HAF didn't have one accident or any major problems in these early stages of the program."

The HAF has added to and upgraded its F-16 fleet since the late 1980s. Beginning in 1996, Hellenic Aerospace Industry performed structural upgrades on its Block 30 fleet (purchased under the Peace Xenia I program). The upgrade, called Falcon-UP, prolongs the airframe lifetime from 4,000 hours to 8,000 hours. Peace Xenia II resulted in the purchase of the Block 50 F-16s now flying from two squadrons at Nea Anchialos.

Many of these HAF F-16s have been equipped with both LANTIRN and Litening pods as well as advanced electronic warfare suites. Greece ordered fifty new Block 52+ F-16s in June 2000 and exercised an option for an additional ten in 2001. These advanced F-16s, the first production Fighting Falcons delivered with conformal fuel tanks, began arriving in Greece in late 2003. The last of the sixty Block 52+ aircraft are scheduled to arrive in Greece in August 2004.

"The two Block 52+ F-16 units being formed on Crete are pulling some of our more experienced F-16 pilots from the three squadrons at Nea Anchialos," explains Lt. Col. Ioannis Podiotis, the commander of the 330 Squadron. "As a squadron commander, I am continuously trying to replenish this lost experience. We concentrate on increasing the skills of our newest F-16 pilots in a safe environment. Nea Anchialos is an ideal location for this training. We have many places to fly both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions. I'm satisfied with our F-16s. No, I love the F-16, especially the Block 30. I consider Block 30 as a perfect balance for air-to-air missions. It's a very capable platform."


The Advanced Block 50/52 F-16


http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2003/articles/jul_03/block50-52/images/Greeceanimaiton.gif

Continuous evolution and affordability have been keys to the enduring popularity of the F-16 in the world fighter market. New capabilities have regularly been added to the Fighting Falcon over the past three decades by upgrading systems and software as well as by incorporating the latest types of munitions. The F-16 also boasts the lowest total ownership costs of any fourth-generation fighter, including costs associated with development, acquisition, operation and maintenance, and upgrades. The newest variants of the F-16 build on these traditions.

The latest Fighting Falcons rolling off the Lockheed Martin production line in Fort Worth, Texas, carry the generic label of Advanced Block 50/52 F-16s. This version represents the largest configuration change in program history, a feat that was completed in record time. Additional fuel and payload capacity, new or improved avionics and sensors, color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces, and other important improvements make these aircraft the most capable F-16s produced to date. (USAF Block 40/42 and Block 50/52 F-16s are keeping up with some of these improvements through retrofit in the Common Configuration Implementation Program.)

So far, six countries have ordered Advanced Block 50/52 F-16s to modernize their fighter forces. Each variant is somewhat country-specific, and some customers have selected their own designations. For example, the lead customer, the Hellenic Air Force, has exclusively adopted the moniker Block 52+ for its versions. The first six of the sixty HAF aircraft on order were delivered to Greece last May. Israel has adopted the designation F-16I to distinguish its Advanced Block 52 variant and has given it the nickname Soufa, meaning storm in Hebrew. All 102 F-16Is will be two-seat versions, and production deliveries begin this fall.

Advanced Block 50/52 F-16s are difficult to tell from previous F-16s because the differences are primarily on the inside. The following categories detail some of the more significant changes.

Conformal Fuel Tanks
The most distinguishing external feature of an Advanced Block 50/52, when installed, is a set of conformal fuel tanks attached to the upper fuselage. All of these latest F-16s have structural, plumbing, and wiring provisions for the conformal tanks. The tank set holds 450 gallons (more than 3,000 pounds) of additional JP-5/8. The extra fuel increases range, loiter time, and combat persistence as well as reduces the demand for tanker support. Range increase is on the order of twenty to forty percent, depending on the stores configuration and mission profile.

The conformals, which can be used in lieu of wing tanks, free the inner wing store stations and can double the primary air-to-ground payload. The tanks have an imperceptible effect on the F-16’s agility, handling qualities, flight limits, and signature. Moreover, the tanks do not interfere with daily inspections and servicing, and the impact on maintenance access is minimal. A complete set can be removed or replaced in two hours by a small crew and a hoist.

600-Gallon Wing Tanks
The Advanced Block 50/52 variant is certified to carry the 600-gallon wing fuel tanks. These tanks increase range or persistence up to thirty percent over the standard 370-gallon wing tanks. The tanks are mounted on non-jettisonable pylons that can also carry the more common 370-gallon tanks.

Landing Gear
The Advanced Block 50/52 versions have heavy-weight landing gear designed for up to 52,000 pounds maximum takeoff gross weight.

Radar
A major enhancement is the Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)9 multimode radar, one of the most advanced radars in the skies today. This radar has more than fivefold faster processing speed and tenfold greater memory capacity over the previous APG-68(V)7/8 radar. The new processors have even higher growth potential.

A high-resolution synthetic aperture radar mode allows the pilot to locate and recognize tactical ground targets from considerable distances. In conjunction with inertially aided weapons, such as GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition, the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, and CBU-103/104/105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser, the F-16 gains an enhanced capability for all-weather precision strike from standoff distances. The radar features an inertial measurement unit that improves dynamic tracking performance and provides an auto-boresight capability, which increases accuracy and eliminates the need for time-consuming mechanical boresighting.

Air-to-air improvements in-clude a thirty percent increase in detection range and improvements in functionality and tracking quality in various modes.

Radar reliability is increased by fifty percent to nearly 400 hours mean time between failures. Commercial off-the-shelf technology is expected to improve supportability significantly. Using off-the-shelf technology resolves existing issues with availability and cost of spare parts and also makes technology refreshes more affordable.

Targeting System
The Advanced Block 50/52 can employ the latest generation targeting systems, such as the Lockheed Martin Sniper XR/Pantera targeting pod that is mounted on the right inlet sensor station. In conjunction with laser-guided bombs, the pod provides day/night precision strikes from high altitudes. Among other uses, the targeting systems can be used for seeker cueing of a variety of guided weapons and covert air-to-air operations.

Navigation and Reconnaissance Pods
A navigation pod, such as LANTIRN/Pathfinder, can be fitted to the left inlet sensor station. A variety of reconnaissance pods can be carried on the centerline fuselage station.

Cockpit
The Advanced Block 50/52 cockpit features a helmet-mounted cueing system, color multifunction displays and recording equipment, cockpit lighting and external ***** lighting compatible with night vision goggles, and large-capacity data transfer sets.

A choice of helmet-mounted cueing systems is available. These systems allow a pilot to direct sensors or weapons to his line of sight or to help him find a designated target. The helmet display also provides critical flight and target information to the pilot — similar to a head-up display, but in any direction the pilot looks.

Dorsal Avionics Compartment
All two-seat models of the Advanced Block 50/52 have a distinctive dorsal avionics compartment that allows these aircraft to accommodate all of the systems of the single-seat model as well as some special mission equipment and additional chaff/flare dispensers. The rear cockpit can be configured for either a weapon system operator or an instructor pilot and can be converted with a single switch in the cockpit.

Communication, Navigation, and Identification
A variety of options are available in radio communication and navigation systems, including UHF, VHF AM/FM, HF, satellite communication, tactical air navigation, VHF omnidirectional receiver, distance measuring equipment, and instrument landing system. An integrated precision navigation suite consisting of a ring laser gyro inertial navigation system, global positioning system, and a digital terrain system is standard.

A choice of data link systems is offered, including the NATO-standard Link 16, in addition to the data modem associated with the UHF/VHF radios. Link 16 provides secure, jam-resistant, high-volume data exchange on a multi-node network.

A standard feature on all F-16s today is a combined friend from foe interrogator/ transponder, which permits autonomous identification to maximize launch ranges of radar-guided air-to-air missiles.

Core Avionics and Central Computer
The Advanced Block 50/52 offers two different core avionics hardware and software architectures. Some aircraft have the modular mission computer, while other customers have opted for the latest general avionics computer. This generation of avionics computers benefits from technology advances including increased processing speeds and mem-ory capacity. They also incorporate off-the-shelf technology, which improves supportability, provides refresh roadmaps, and reduces future development costs. Some versions have a high-speed fiber optic data bus, which provides large growth potential for data throughput.Countermeasures

Equipment
All Advanced Block 50/52 versions have modern internal electronic countermeasures systems. The Greek aircraft have the Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite, which consists of the Northrop Grumman ALR-93 radar warning receiver and electronic warfare controller, the Raytheon ALQ-187 RF jammer, and the BAE Systems ALE-47 chaff/ flare dispenser. The Israeli aircraft have an electronic warfare suite produced by Elisra. Most other Advanced Block 50/52 customers will have the ITT Advanced Internal Defensive Electronic Warfare System. These systems provide integrated electronic counter-measures, radar warning, and chaff/flare dispensing for self-protection against a wide range of threats. Internal mounting (in place of a countermeasure pod) eliminates drag, provides full spherical antenna coverage, and frees up an external station for other stores.

Engines
The Advanced Block 50/52 aircraft have a common engine bay that allows customers a choice of engines in the 29,000-pound thrust class. The Block 50s are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 and have the Modular Common Inlet Duct (known as the large mouth inlet). The Block 52s are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 and have a Normal Shock Inlet (known as the small mouth inlet).

On-Board Oxygen Generation
An on-board oxygen-generating system replaces the liquid oxygen system of earlier versions to provide breathable air to the pilot. The system improves maintainability, deployability, and safety

Other Equipment Options
Besides those alternatives already mentioned, F-16 customers still have the option of a drag chute, paint schemes, and the world’s largest inventory of certified stores—more than 100 items certified in approximately 5,000 configurations. The Advanced Block 50/52s are capable of delivering the US family of GPS-guided precision weapons and a variety of high-off-boresight air-to-air missiles, including the AIM-9X Sidewinder, IRIS-T, and Python IV.

Bullterrier
05-05-2006, 04:10 PM
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John Agorastos Plagis

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Supermarine Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC, ML214 (5J-K), No. 126 Fighter Squadron "Persian Gulf", July 1944, Pilot S/Ldr John A. Plagis, DSO, DFC.

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Basilios Michael Vassiliadis

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Mustang III, FB201 (QV-D), 19th Fighter Squadron, Pilot Basilios Michael Vassiliadis.

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Hawker Tempest Mk.V, EJ660 (JF-E), 3rd Fighter Squadron, Pilot Basilios Michael Vassiliadis.

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A Spitfire Vb of 336 Sq Royal Hellenic Air Force, in North Africa , 1944.

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Another Spitfire Vb of 336 Sq Royal Hellenic Air Force, this time in Italy, 1944.

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On 21 April 1944, 50 miles south of Siddi Barrani, Pilot Officer G. Tsotsos flying Spitfire Mk.Vb LZ807 and Master Sergeant D. Soufrillas flying Spitfire Mk.Vc JL352, shot down shared Ju-88. Both Pilots were from 336th Fighter Squadron - RAF (336 Mira - Royal Hellenic Air Force). The photo is of them as they were congratulated upon their leading by 336 Mira Co Sq. Leader K. Margaritis.

Bullterrier
05-05-2006, 04:18 PM
ΠΟΛΕΜΙΚΉ ΑΕΡΟΠΟΡΊΑ - HELLENIC AIR FORCE
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General Dynamics F-16C-50Q-CF "Fighting Falcon" (Π.Α)


111 Wing, 347 Squadron "Perseus"
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General Dynamics F-16D-50-CF "Fighting Falcon" (Π.Α)


111 Wing, 341 Squadron "Arrow"
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McDonnell Douglas F-4E "Phantom II" (Π.Α)
Block: F-4E-38-MC, CN 3508, SN 68-0405
117 Πτέρυγα Μάχης, 338 Μοίρες "Άρης"
Ανδραβίδα
Hellenic Air Force, 117th Wing, 338th Squadron “Mars”

Art. JP-165

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Mc Donnell Douglas RF-4E "Phantom II" (Π.Α)

110th Wing, 348th Tactical Reconnaisance Squadron“Eyes”


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Dassault Mirage F.1CG (Π.Α)

Bullterrier
05-05-2006, 04:29 PM
Historical Air Force ensign

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Air Force flag and civil air ensign-current

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Roundel

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Low visibility roundel

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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 06:06 PM
Bullterrier, you are very welcome. Thanks for your infos. :)

Here's a review by Mr. Michail Solanakis for the 13th Hellenic Sqdr. The text is found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html)


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The 13th ”Hellenic Squadron”


A brief History



Written by Mr Michail Solanakis


Colour side views of the aircraft used by the 13th Hellenic Sq. (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#13aircr)
(http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#Blenheims) 13th Hellenic Sq. Bristol Blenheim serial Nos (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#Blenheims)
(http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#Baltimores) 13th Hellenic Sq. Martin Baltimore serial Nos (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#Baltimores)
13th Hellenic Sq. Vickers Wellington serial Nos (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#Wellingtons)

One of the historic units of the Hellenic Air Force was the "13th Light Bombing Squadron" as it was named on its establishment in Dekheila, Egypt in June 1941. This was the first Squadron of the Royal Hellenic Air Force to be established outside Greece, after the German invasion and the occupation of the country. The Squadron came under British command, as did the two other Royal Hellenic Air Force squadrons (the 335th and the 336th Fighter Sqdrns) that were established later. Initially it was incorporated in 201 Group, RAF. First equipment of the Squadron were 5 Avro Ansons Mk I, formerly belonging to the 13th Naval co - operation Squadron. These had being flown to Egypt after the collapse of resistance in Greece, in April 1941.


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One of the 5 Avro Ansons that escaped to the Middle East



The aircraft identities were: N51, N52, N55, N56 and N61. Later they will acquire British serials as follows:


ΑΧ750 (Ν51)
ΑΧ751 (Ν52)
ΑΧ749 (Ν55)
ΑΧ748 (Ν56)
ΑΧ761 (Ν61)


A great number of former Royal Hellenic Air Force personnel of all ranks, had managed to escape occupied Greece and made their way to Egypt. They were to provide the nucleus of the Greek Air Force in exile. The newly established 13th Light Bombing Squadron, was in a way the re - incarnation of the 13th Naval co - operation Sqn and the 32nd Bomber Sqn, since all its aircraft came from the former unit, and its personnel from both dissolved squadrons. Immediately after its establishment, a great effort was made to organize it into a proper combat squadron, because in the beginning, the small number of personnel and aircraft in charge, made it a flight, rather than a squadron. The training was intensive and continuous, despite the great difficulties due to the obsolete aircraft, their unsuitable armament, the harsh living conditions in the desert and the shortage of personnel.

The first combat mission of the Squadron took place in July 14 1941 and was an anti - submarine patrol. This was flown in Anson N56 with the crew of: Sqn.Ldr S.Dakopoulos, F.Sgt S.Papadopoulos and Sgt P.Makris. Training and anti - submarine patrols continued until November of 1941, when the Squadron was ordered to move to Mariyut near Alexandria, where in December of the same year received its first Blenheim IV aircraft. These came from 108 MU and were the following:


Τ2049
Ζ9793 and
Ζ8529
These aircraft were in poor condition, they demanded long maintenance and were not what the airmen of 13th had expected. But, they had to make do. RAF Command had nothing else to spare. After initial training with the ”new” aircraft, the Squadron started patrols and convoy escort duties in the Eastern Mediterranean. On January 1942 the Squadron moved again, this time to LG 86 where it stayed until January the next year. More Blenheims kept arriving and gradually the Ansons, which until then had soldiered on, were phased out because of the lack of spares and insurmountable maintenance problems.

Convoy escort and anti - submarine patrols were the main missions of the Squadron for the whole of 1942 and these were accomplished in the best possible way. In many occasions, enemy submarines were spotted and duly attacked by the Blenheims of the Squadron.



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King George of Greece visits the 13th Squadron in LG 86.In the background Blenheim IV V6149.



On July 28 Blenheim IV Z9550, crew: Plt OffI. Papoutsis, Lt Papadiamantopoulos and Sgt F. Saridis, while on convoy escort duty, hit a large enemy submarine forcing it to crash - dive North of Port Said. Similar incidents were to be repeated in numerous other missions. In July the Squadron moved to Gaza, after a brief stay in LG 227 (Gianaklis). At the same time, a flight of 6 - 8 aircraft was detached to Saint Jean in Palestine, continuing its convoy escort duties. The contribution of the 13th Light Bombing Squadron to the Allied effort was significant, helping in the protection of convoys, so vital for the operations in the North African front.

In August, another 13th Sq. Blenheim, this time with crew: W.O Galanakos, Plt Off Karayannis, and Flght Sgt Gounelakis, spotted an enemy submarine near the convoy which they were protecting. They immediately attacked with depth charges.

In October, again Plt Off Papoutsis, Captain Stavreas and Flt.Sgt Makris, in Blenheim IV Z6446 surprised an enemy sub, hitting it with four depth charges from a height of 10 ft! During the same month, it was the turn of W.O Galanakos, Plt Off Patsis and Flt.Sgt Gounelakis, in Blenheim IV V6257. They successfully bombed an enemy sub, observing a large oil spot in the position where the sub had dived. Records show that in August 1942, the axis submarines in the Mediterranean suffered their greatest losses since 1940.



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One of the Squadron's Bisleys prepares for a mission.


To this end the 13th "Hellenic Squadron" (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html#**), as it was called in the RAF, helped with all its resources. Soon, the first Blenheim Vs, or Bisleys were received and the Squadron started training on the type. This version of the Blenheim had better performance and better bombing capabilities. Operational flying continued until November 1942, when the Squadron left Gaza and St. Jean and moved back to LG 227. New movement in the beginning of 1943, this time to LG 07 between Marsa Matruh and Sidi Barrani. During this time because of the shortage of personnel of certain qualifications, it was decided to establish two training schools.These were the Training Center for Air Radio - Operators , and the Air Navigators Training Center. The performance during the operations and the training of the Squadron was appreciated by the R.A.F Command which promised to send more aircraft. This promise was fulfilled on April of 1943, with 7 more Bisleys. The arrival of newer aircraft contributed to the increase of missions flown, reduced the accident rate and gave a boost to the morale of the personnel.

The 13th Hellenic Squadron was among the 3 squadrons of 201 Group with the less accidents, the other two being 252 Sqn and 459 Sqn. Again on the road in August, this time for Gambut (Derna) in Libya. The operations and the training of personnel, continued all summer. In September, the time came for the Squadron to acquire an aircraft worth of the expectations and certainly the abilities of its airmen. After many requests of the RHAF leadership to the RAF for a more potent aircraft, the latter decided to replace the Bisleys of the 13th Hellenic Squadron with Martin A30 Baltimores.These aircraft were ordered by the R.A.F from the U.S., under the Lend - Lease agreement and were used almost exclusively in the North African and Mediterranean theatres.


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Baltimores covered for protection against the desert sun in the flightline of the 13th Hellenic Squadron in Gambut.



There could be no real comparison between the Baltimore and whatever aircraft type the Squadron had flown until then. It was much faster, heavily armed and carried a much heavier weapons load. It had a top speed of 300 mph, armament of no less than 10 - 12 guns and could carry almost a ton of bombs and other ordnance. Many of the aircraft received were brand new, and did not come from other R.A.F squadrons, as was the norm until then.

The first aircraft to arrive were 4 Mk IVs:



FA 439”W”
FA 483”B”
FA 607”Z” and
FA 608”C”

Three more followed the next day:



FA 490”S”
FA 463”Y” and
FA 654”X”

Intensive training started on the new type both in various OTUs and on the newly received aircraft. At the same time a number of British Warrant Officers and Flight Sergeants were attached to the Squadron, as air gunners and wireless operators. Immediately the qualities of the new aircraft were put to the test.For the first time, along with the anti-submarine patrols and convoy escorts, offensive reconnaissance and even attacks on the occupied Greek islands and other targets were undertaken. In one of these attacks on November 12, Baltimores of 13th Hellenic Squadron attacked the German positions in the heavily defended port of Souda, in Crete.

These were:

FA 512 ”F” Crew :Plt OffAssanakis, Fg Off Hionidis, Plt Off Maniatis and Sgt Hayball.
FA 632 ”E” Crew: Plt OffFragoyannis, Plt Off Sarantis , Sgt Delentas and Sgt Baines.
FA 584”H” Crew: Plt OffKondos, Plt OffKatsaros, Sgt Logan and Sgt Sutherns.
FA 585 ”V” Crew: Fg Off Sotiriou, Plt Off Marmaras, WO Stratidakis, and Sgt Sherwood.Under intensive AA fire they successfully bombed their targets, when they were attacked by three Arado Ar 196 floatplanes! The gunner of Baltimore “E” Sgt Baines, shot one of the attackers from a distance of 400 yards and observed thick smoke coming out of its engine. The German aircraft although dangerous under certain circumstances were no match for the Baltimore. All the Squadron’s aircraft using their greater speed made it back to base safely.

By the end of 1943, the 13th Hellenic Squadron had logged 1302 combat missions and 4550 flying hours. Certainly not a bad record. In the spring of 1944 the Squadron received the order to move to a new theatre of operations. Destination this time: Italy. First, the personnel and vehicles of the Squadron were moved by sea, and then the aircraft followed, after a thorough inspection in 107 MU in Ismailia.

The new base was Biferno, near the town of Termoli.Here, the 13th came under the 3rd South African Wing. From Biferno the Squadron started to fly for the first time exclusively in bombing missions. Targets were military facilities, harbours, bridges, factories and railway junctions in German occupied Italian territory. There were many successful missions in Pedaso, Fabriano, Civittanova, Porto Recanate, etc.




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"Bull's eye" on the istallations of Ancona harbour, June 21, 1944.




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Railway station in Luga , Jugoslavia gets the treatment from the Squadron's Baltimores.


In June, the area of operations was expanded to include the whole of Yugoslavia.In the same month the Squadron had to move again, this time to Pescara airfield, without any interruption in operations. Here the 13th Hellenic Squadron came under 254 Wing RAF, as part of the “Balkan Air Force”. The missions over Yugoslavia were far more dangerous for the aircraft and crews, due to the heavily defended German positions. This became evident on July 28 1944, when six Baltimores of the Squadron took off to bomb Sarajevo.

Over the target, one of the aircraft: FW452 ”D” with crew Flt Lt Angelidis, WO Molyvadas, Plt Off Anastasiou and F.Sgt W.Aldridge, got hit by flak and caught fire. By coincidence this was a stand - by aircraft, replacing another Baltimore which had a malfunction and had to abort the mission. All crew bailed out and landed safely. Flt Lt Angelidis and F.Sgt Aldridge escaped capture and with the help of the Yugoslav partisans, managed to return to their unit in October. WO Molyvadas and Plt Off Anastasiou were caught by the Germans and spent the rest of the war in Stalag Luft III



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Entry from the O.R.B of 13th Sq. recording the fateful Sarajevo mission.



Τhe missions continued daily with ”maximum effort” and no break, until the end of October. In November 1944, the long awaited return to the liberated Homeland became a reality after more than three years of absence. On the 14th of that month, 16 Baltimores landed in Hasani (today’s Ellinikon) airfield, near Athens. The return to Greece did not mean the end of combat for the Squadron. Although mainland Greece was liberated, Crete and other islands were still under German occupation. So, alongside the Spitfires of the other two fighter Squadrons the 335th and 336th which had also arrived in Greece, the Baltimores of the 13th Squadron started bombing the German positions. This continued until the German withdrawal, in April of 1945. Along its combat missions the Squadron undertook leaflet and supply drops and search and rescue duties. Operationally, all three Greek Squadrons were under 337 Wing R.A.F based in Hasani airfield.


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13th Sq. crews in front of their "Balts" after their arrival in Greece.Aircraft "F" is FW453 with 72 missions marked on its nose, and in the backround FW555 "G".



The political situation in Greece during this time went from bad to worse, and soon civil war broke out. It was obvious that the Hellenic Air Force, which started to take its first post-war steps, was going to need all the aircraft in its inventory, especially the Baltimores of the 13th Squadron. But, contrary to all reason, the Squadron was ordered to hand over these aircraft and exchange them with….Vickers Wellingtons! This change which was opposed by the Command of the Air Force and most vigorously by the leadership of the Squadron, was imposed by the British government, from which the aircraft were acquired in the first place and was their legal owner. The consequences of his decision, will hamper the Air Force’s war effort in the following years. The Baltimore will be sorely missed, especially in the late stages of the civil war. Then, lacking a dedicated ground attack aircraft, the task to dislodge the communist forces from their fortified positions in the mountains of Greece, fell solely on the Spitfires, the only combat aircraft of the Hellenic Air Force at the time and only towards the end of hostilities on the hastily acquired Curtiss Helldivers.

So, the Baltimores started to be handed over to the RAF in August of 1945, with the last three aircraft leaving Greece after an impressive flypast over Athens, on September 18. All aircraft were flown to Kasfareet in Egypt, where from they were either sent to other units, or scrapped. The Wellingtons, apart from the fact that their usefulness to the Air Force was doubtful, were also in bad condition, having come from long open storage in the desert. Great effort was demanded from the mechanics, to keep them flying. Sadly, their introduction to the 13th Squadron’s inventory was accompanied by two fatal accidents, and some other minor incidents, that did nothing to dispel the dislike the crews had developed for the aircraft. The Wellingtons were used mostly in the transport role and in training. Their service with the Squadron was short and unremarkable, and from 1947 they were replaced by C-47 Dakotas.

Finally, the glorious history of the 13th Hellenic Squadron came to an end. It was unceremoniously transformed from a bombing squadron, to a transport one. Along with its role, it changed its name: from now on it will be called ”355 Transport Squadron”. Surely, an unfitting end for one of the most combat - hardened units of the Hellenic Air Force. No convincing reason has been given for the transformation of the 13th Squadron, especially at a time when it had a lot to offer (in its original role and with suitable equipment). The Squadron’s ”nature” and its past experience, will soon come to the fore when in the civil war, as 355 Transport Squadron , some of its Dakotas will be hastily modified to …drop bombs out of the cargo door!

Over the years, the Hellenic Air Force reorganised, re - equipped, grew in size and today is one of the biggest and more modern in Europe. New combat units were established and others were de - activated or disbanded, according to the operational needs. It would be appropriate for the History and traditions of this Service, if a new unit takes the honourable name of the ”13th Squadron”.

*At this period, a problem arose by the fact that there were two squadrons in the RAF bearing the number 13, the first being the No 13 Squadron which was the ”original” and the other , the Greek 13th .In all official references the second unit was called ”Hellenic” and the letter "H" was appropriately placed after the Squadron’s number. This did not prevent many misunderstandings and the confusing of the two units.Things did not improve when at one point both squadrons operated in the Mediterranean, both flying Baltimores! Many years later, researchers and historians still confuse the two squadrons.

Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 06:11 PM
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Bristol Blenheims
of 13th Hellenic Squadron






BLENHEIM IVs



BLENHEIM Vs (BISLEY)



N 6147
R 3845
R 3901
T 2049
V 5640
V 5951
V 6149
V 6257
Z 4966
Z 6446
Z 6454
Z 7880
Z 7966
Z 8529
Z 9493
Z 9550
Z 9666
Z 9740
Z 9793
5512?

BA 106 R
BA 164 C
BA 165 A
BA 167 C
BA 228 F
BA 249
BA 290 K
BA 294 V
BA 304
BA 319 D (EH?)
BA 323 S
BA 324 K
BA 328 R
BA 336 L
BA 381 D
BA 384 L
BA 395 S
BA 399 E
BA 454 0
BA 487 A
BA 544 X
BA 580 P
BA 585 T
BA 593
BA 847 F
BA 850 E
BA 934 H
BA 948 M
BA 949 B
EH 316 M
EH 408 N
BA 429
882?
BA 403N?
937S?




Martin Baltimores
of 13th Hellenic Squadron



Mk III

Mk IIIA

Mk IV

Mk V

AG 902"S"
AG 939"D"

FA 219"E"
FA 385"H"
FA 386"S"
FA 400"V"
FA 405"Z"
FA 423
FA 432"A"
FA 439"W"
FA 443"F"
FA 471"A","W"
FA 482
FA 483"B"
FA 486
FA 490"D","S"
FA 491"C"
FA 512"F"
FA 514"E"
FA 518
FA 529
FA 534
FA 542"E"
FA 548
FA 551"B"
FA 552"G","H"
FA 559
FA 560"T"
FA 565
FA 584"H"
FA 585"V"
FA 588"U"
FA 589
FA 600"G"
FA 603
FA 607"Z"
FA 608"C"
FA 624
FA 629"F"
FA 631"W"
FA 632"E"
FA 633"I"
FA 640
FA 642"Y"
FA 643
FA 654"X","F","I"

FW 294"R"
FW 296"G"
FW 316"Z"
FW 333"B"
FW 357"A"
FW 388"I","P"

FW 401"Y"*
FW 411"R" *
FW 418"A" *
FW 421"T"*
FW 429"E"*
FW 449"C"*
FW 451"T"
FW 452"D"
FW 453"F"
FW 461"R"
FW 464"U"
FW 493"W"
FW 516"H"*
FW 538"B"
FW 546"V"*
FW 555"G"*
FW 559"W"*
FW 563"D"*
FW 578"S"*
FW 766"I"*
FW 774"P"
FW 788"F"
FW 800"A"
FW 803"U"*
FW 805"K"
FW 808"P"*
FW 814"C"
FW 844"B"*
FW 852"Y"



*These aircraft were the first to arrive in Greece on the 14th of November 1944.





Vickers Wellington XIII
of 13th Hellenic Squadron






MF 206"Y"
ME 907
NC 418"D","X"
JA 392"W"
NC 433"U"
MF 188"P"
907"Z"
305"L"
466"T"
582"N"
643"S"
183"R"
254"U"
181"P"
981"V"
190"L"
890"R"

PELASGOS
05-05-2006, 06:18 PM
Aegean dogfights and other vids:



http://www.youtube.com/results?search=HELLENIC+AIR+FORCE&search_type=search_videos

Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 06:50 PM
All the Greek military aircraft 1912 - 2003


The following list includes all the aircraft that served with the Hellenic armed forcefrom the beginning of the 20th century to the present day.




ROYAL HELLENIC ARMY 1912 - 1922


Bleriot XI-2
Breguet XIVA2
Breguet XIV B2
Caudron G.IIIA2
Dorand A.R.I
Farman F.40
Henry Farman III
Maurice Farman M.F.7
Nieuport IV G
Nieuport 24bis
Nieuport 24/27
SPAD S.VII
SPAD S.XIII


ROYAL HELLENIC NAVY I9l2 - 1922


Airco de Havilland D.H.4
Airco de Havilland D.Η.6
Airco de Havilland D.H.9
Ansaldo A-1 Balilla
Astra Hydroplane
Avro 504K
Bristol Scout C
Fairey Hamble Baby
Henry Farman H.F.20
HenryFarman H.F.22
Henry Farman H.F.27
Maurice Farman Hydravion
Nieuport 12
Royal Aircraft Factory B.E. 2c
Royal Aircraft Factory B.E. 2e
Short 184
Short Admiralty Type 166
Sopwith “Greek Seaplane”
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Type 9400 Fighter
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Type 9700 Bomber
Sopwith Baby
Sopwith Bat-boat
Sopwith Camel 1F.1
Sopwith Pup
Sopwith Triplane


ROYAL HELLENIC ARMY 1923 - 1930


Breguet XIX A2/A2
Gloster Mars VI Nighthawk
Ηanriot HD-14
Morane-Saulnier MS-35 EP2
Morane-Saulnier MS-137
Morane-Saulnier MS-147


ROYAL HELLENIC NAVY1923 - 1930


Armstrong-Whitworth Atlas
Avro 504 N/O
Blackburn Βέλος (Dart) T.3A
Bristol F.2B Fighter Mk IV
Hanriot HD-41 H
Hawker Horsley Mk II
ΚΕΑ Χελιδών


ROYAL HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1931 - 1940 *


Avia B.534 verze III
Avia BH.33E
Avro 621 Tutor
Avro 626
Avro Anson Mk I
Bloch MB.151
Bristol Blenheim Mk I
Bristol Blenheim Mk IV
Bucker Bu 131 A Jungmann
de Havilland D.H.60G Gipsy Moth
Dornier Do 22Kg
Fairey Battle B.I
Fairey III F Mk 1/111
Gloster Gladiator Mk I
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Henschel Hs 126A- 1
Junkers G 24 he
Junkers Ju 52- 3
Morane-Saulnier MS-230
Potez 25 TOE
Potez 633 B2 Grec
PZL P-24G/F
Savoia-Marchetti S.79-I Sparviero


ROYAL HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1941 - 1945


Airspeed AS.10 Oxford Mk V
Bristol Blenheim Mk IV
Bristol Blenheim Mk V ( Bisley)
Fairchild PT -26 Cornell Mk I/II
Hawker Audax
Hawker Hurricane Mk I
Hawker Hurricane Mk IIb
Hawker Hurricane Mk IIc
Martin A-30 Baltimore Mk III
Martin A-30 Baltimore Mk IV/V
Miles M. 14A Magister
North American Harvard Mk I
Supermarine Spitfire Mk Vb/c


ROYAL HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1946 - 1950


Airspeed AS.10 Oxford Mk III
Avro Anson Mk I / XII
Curtiss SB2C-5 Helldiver
de Havilland D.H.82A Tiger Moth
Douglas C-47A/B Dakota
Fieseler Fi 156C Storch
North American Harvard Mk IIa
North American Harvard Mk IIb
Ryan L- 17B Navion
Stinson L-5C Sentinel
Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX LF/HF
Supermarine Spitfire Mk PR XI
Supermarine Spitfire Mk PR XIII
Supermarine Spitfire Mk XVI
Taylorcraft Auster AOP Mk III
Vickers Wellington Mk XIII


ROYAL HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1951 - 1967


Agusta-Bell 47J Ranger
Boeing-Stearman PT-13 Kaydet
Boeing-Stearman PT-17 Kaydet
Cessna T -37C
de Havilland Canada DHC-2/L-20A Beaver
Grumman G 159 Gulfstream 1
Lockheed F-104G Starfighter
Lockheed RF-104G Starfighter
Lockheed RT-33A Silver Star
Lockheed T-33A Silver Star
Lockheed T-33 / Canadair CT-133 Mk III Silver Star
Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter
North American F-86D Dog Sabre
North American F-86E(M) Sabre
North American T-6D Texan
North American T-6G Texan
Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter
Northrop F-5B Freedom Fighter
Republic F-84F Thunderstreak
Republic F-84G Thunderjet
Republic RF-84F Thunderflash
Sikorsky UH-19B Chickasaw
Sikorsky UH-19D Chickasaw


HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1968 - 1987


Agusta-Bell 47G-3B-2
Agusta-BeII 47G-5
Agusta-BeII AB-205 A1
Agusta-BeII AB-206A Jetranger
Bell B-212 (UH-IN)
Bell OH-13H Sioux
Boeing-Meridionali CH-47C Chinook.
Canadair CL-215
Cessna T-37B
Cessna T-41D Mescalero
Convair F-102A Delta Dagger
Convair TF-102A Delta Dagger
Dassault-Breguet Mirage F-1CG
Dornier Do 28D-2 Skyservant
Grob G 103 Twin Astir
Grumman HU-16B (ASW) Albatross
Grumman HU-16C Albatross
Grumman/Schweizer G.164A Ag-Cat
Grumman/Schweizer G.164G Ag-Cat
Ling-Temco- Vought A- 7H Corsair II
Ling-Temco-Vought TA- 7H Corsair II
Lockheed C- 130H Hercules
McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II
McDonnell Douglas RF-4E Phantom II
NAMC YS-11 A-520
Nord 2501 D/ 2508 Noratlas
Nonhrop RF-5A Freedom Fighter
PZL Mielec M.18 Dromader
Rockwell T -2E Buckeye


HELLENIC AIR FORCE 1988 - 2003


Gulfstream Aerospace Gulfstream V
Canadair NF-5A Freedom Fighter
Canadair NF-5 B freedom Fighter
Canadair CL-415
Dassault-Breguet Mirage 2000BG
Dassault- Breguet Mirage 2000EG
Dassault-Breguet Mirage 2000-5 BG
Dassault- Breguet Mirage 2000-5 EG
Eurocopter AS 532 U2 Cougar Mk1
Eurocopter AS 532 AL Cougar Mk2
Embraer ERJ-135ER
Embraer EMB-145H ERIEYE
General Dynamics F- 16C Fighting Falcon (Block30)
General Dynamics F-16D Fighting Falcon (Block 30)
Lockheed-Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon (Block 50)
Lockheed-Martin F-16D Fighting Falcon (Block 50)
Lockheed-Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon (Block 52+)
Lockheed-Martin F-16D Fighting Falcon (Block 52+)
Ling-Temco-Vought A-7E Corsair II
Ling-Temco-Vought TA- 7C Corsair II
Lockheed C- 130B Hercules
Raytheon T-6A TEXAN II
Saab 340H AEW & C Erieye (S-100 Argus)

HELLENIC ARMY AVIATION 1947 - 2002


Agusta-BeII 47G
Agusta-BeII AB.204B
Agusta-BeII AB.205
Agusta-Bell AB-206A Jetranger
Agusta-BeII AB-212
Beechcraft C-12C Huron
Bell OH-13S Sioux
Bell UH-1 D/H Iroquois
Boeing-Meridionali CH-47DG Chinook.
Cessna U-17A Skywagon
de Havilland Canada L-20A Beaver
McDonnell Douglas AH-64A Apache
Piper L-18C Cub
Piper L-21A Super Cub
Rockwell Aero Commander 680 FL
Schweizer -Nardi ND-300C


HELLENIC NAVAL AVIATION 1976 - 2002


Aerospatiale SA 319B Alouette III
Agusta-BeII AB.212 ASW
Agusta-BeII AB.212 EW
Lockheed P-3A Orion
Lockheed P-3B Orion
Sikorsky S-70B-6 Aegean Hawk

* In 1931 the air services of the Greek Army and the Greek Navy were integrated forming the Royal Hellenic Air Force as a separate branch of the armed forces. Later, the Army (in 1947) and the Navy (in 1975), re - established their own separate air arms, but not in the shape and size they had before the unification.

Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 07:25 PM
Hellenic Air Force history time line


Click on BLUE letters for reviews of each HAF history period



The first steps

The admirable weapon of the skies, the Hellenic Air Force, with its dynamic present and brilliant future, has a glorious history to display, full of continuous struggles for the country’s independence and freedom ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_1.asp)


Balcan Wars

The activities of the Army Air Service during the Balkan Wars marked out the use of the aircraft as a pioneering war asset ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_2.asp)


World War 1


When Greece entered World War I on the side of the Allies, new perspectives arose for the organisation of the Military and Naval Air Services ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_3.asp)


The Campaign in Asia Minor

In May 1919 the Hellenic armed forces with the consent of the Allies, landed at Smyrna. Despite the inadequacy of assets and the ageing equipment the Hellenic Air Force actively participated ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_4.asp)


The Inter War Period

The Asia Minor Campaign was followed by a long period of peace during which both the Hellenic Army and Naval Air Services were reorganised and upgraded ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_5.asp)


Greco - Italian War and German Invasion

Upon the declaration of the war between Greece and Italy, 77 front-line RHAF aircraft were called upon to confront 463 Italian ones. Despite the overwhelming superiority ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_6.asp)


Middle East & Italy

Immediately after the arrival in the Middle East, of the five Avro Anson, one Dornier Do 22 and three Avro 626 which had escaped, the Hellenic Aviation began to be reorganized under the Ministry of Air Force based in Cairo ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_7.asp)


South Korea

In November 1950, after the end of the operations of the Civil War, Greece, wishing to assist the United Nations, sent, to South Korea, the 13th Transport Aircraft Flight ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_8.asp)


The first jets

In the 50’s, when Greece joined NATO, an extended plan of upgrading and developing was put into effect. Following that Hellenic Airforce HAF was organised on a new basis ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_9.asp)


1st generation aircrafts

In 1954 the F-86 Sabres were delivered and Nos 341, 342 and 343 Interception Squadrons were gradually raised. In the same year the HAF Joint Aerial Photograhy and Interpretation Centre was founded ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_10.asp)


2nd generation aircrafts

In April 1974 the first second-generation F-4Es landed at 117 CW. Three Squadrons, Nos 339,338 and 337 were formed with Phantom IIs ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_11.asp)


3rd generation aircrafts

The reception of the third generation aircraft was a turning point for Hellenic Air Force. In April 1988 the Mirage 2000 EG/BG landed on the 114 CW and equipped the 331 ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_12.asp)


In the dawn of the 21st century

Today, modern fighters Mirage 2000 and F-16 constitute the HAF spear head. All other legendary assets continue to offer their services. At the dawn of the 21st century modernization efforts ... (http://www.haf.gr/en/history/history/history_13.asp)

HEAT
05-05-2006, 07:25 PM
Thanks Bullterrier for the aircraft profiles!!!1
Nick your post`s are fantastic,thank you.

Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 07:40 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 09:00 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 09:23 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 09:30 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 09:36 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-05-2006, 09:47 PM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-06-2006, 03:19 PM
New Hellenic Flame 1967


Between 1958 and 1964, the Hellenic Air Force had an aerobatic team called Hellenic Flame, consisting of five, then seven, Canadair Sabre Mk. 2's, based at Tanagra. During their existence, they became quite famous for their displays not only within Greece, but also in France, West Germany, Italy and Turkey. They disbanded in September 1964. However, three years later, the Hellenic Air Force Command decided to form a new team, this time using the Northrop F-5A and called them New Hellenic Flame. Very little is known about this team, as they began training in July 1967 and only made two performances, before disbanding in late 1967. Very fiew photos of the team have ever been seen. Here an extremely rare photo of one of the team's F-5A aircraft, of 337 Squadron. You can see a New Hellenic Flame F-5A, with it's pilot, Major Andreas Frangopanagos.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Egarys/gallery/nhelflam/nhf_f-5a.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-06-2006, 03:24 PM
Hellenic Military Aviation
1912-1923


http://www.insigniamag.com/greek15a.jpg


Airco de Havilland DH9


Serial no. NAY-78, Royal Hellenic Naval Air Service, Alfion - Karahisar airfield, July 1921. Aircraft is finished in PC 10 Doped Linen on upper flying surfaces, fin, undercarriage legs and rear fuselage, with Battleship Grey fuselage panels. Undersurfaces and wheel covers are Clear Doped Linen. Greek national markings are Blue and White, and have been converted from existing RNAS roundels from when these DH9s were based at Moudros during WW1. The serial number is in White, and is partially obscured by a Dark Grey / Black wavy line. This pattern was a theatre marking applied to all operational aircraft involved in the Greek -Turkish war of 1919 -1922. Note that roundels on the lower wing surface do not have a 1-inch white outline.




http://www.insigniamag.com/greek15b.jpg


Ansaldo A-1 Balilla


Serial no. NAY-117, Royal Hellenic Naval Air Service, Tatoi airfield, near Athens, 1923. This aircraft was one of eight seized from an Italian ship en route to Turkey. These aircraft retained their factory finish of Clear Doped Linen flying surfaces, Dark Varnished Wood fuselage and Natural Metal cowling. Greek roundels are worn on the upper wings and fuselage sides. The lower outer wing surfaces were painted Blue, to a width of approximately seven rib bays. Serial number is White.





http://www.insigniamag.com/greek15c.jpg




Breguet 14 A2



Serial no. 3846, Royal Hellenic Army Air Force, unknown airfield, 1921. This aircraft was one of at least 30 Breguet 14 A2 and B2 types which served with the joint French - Hellenic 522 and 523 Reconnaissance-Bomber Squadrons. This aircraft is finished in a Green and Brown camouflage scheme, with Natural Metal forward and upper fuselage areas. Lower flying surfaces are Clear Doped Linen. Struts, undercarriage legs and wheel covers are Light Grey. Greek roundels in Blue and White, adapted from French roundels, are worn on the upper and lower wings as well as the fuselage. The Asia Minor 'wavy line' theatre marking in Dark Grey / Black partially obscures the fuselage roundel. Serial number and rudder data are Black.

Nick_Karatzides
05-06-2006, 03:28 PM
Greek ACE pilots
Before, during & after WW2


For infos, click on the following topics:
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWI "Ace" pilot Captain Aristides Moraitinis (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/greece-ww1.html)
Hellenic Air Force WWII "Ace" pilots - Full name catalog (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/greece-ww2-eva.html)
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWII "Ace" pilot Captain Ioanis 'John' Kellas (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/greece_kellas.htm)
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWII "Ace" pilot LT Marinos Mitralexis is shooting downing an Italian fighterplane using propeller (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78139)
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWII "Ace" pilot 2nd LT Anastasios Bardivilias (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/greece_bardivilias.htm)
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWII "Ace" pilot Master Sgt Ilias Dimitrakopoulos (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/greece_dimitrakopoulos.htm)
Hellenic Air Force biplane fighter WWII "Ace" pilot Master Sgt Nikolaos Kostorizos (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/greece_kostorizos.htm)
Complete list of Hellenic Air Force victories during WWII (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/victories-greece-ww2.html)
Greek WWII "Ace" pilots who fought under RAF wings - Full name catalog (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/greece-ww2-raf.html)
Greek WWII "Ace" pilots who fought under USAAF or US Navy wings - Full name catalog (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/greece-ww2-usa.html)
Greek WWII "Ace" pilots who fought under Luftwaffe wings (amazing huh?) - Full name catalog (http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/greece-ww2-luft.html)
Greek "Ace" WWII Spiros "the flying Greek" Pisanos (http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/Pisanos_english.html) - Flying under RAF and USAAF colours
Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the PZL P24G during WWII (http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/The%20Greek%20PZL%20fighters.html)
Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the Gloster Gladiators during WWII (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/gladiator_greece.htm)
Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the Avia B-534 during WWII (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/avia_greece.htm)
Hellenic Air Force pilots ''Air Aces'' during WWII (http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2gre.htm)
Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the Spitfires
(http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/Greeks%20in%20Spitfires.html)
Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the Helldivers (http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/Greeks%20in%20Spitfires.html#Helldiver)
Details on the Greek PZLs (http://www.brushfirewars.org/aircraft/pzl_p24_greek/pzl_p24_greek.htm)
The Hellenic Air Force air to air victories during WWII (http://www.geocities.com/acrawford0/greekair.html)
Air War in Greece 1940-1941 (http://home.freeuk.net/johndillon/air_war.htm)
Fighting over the desert - Hellenic Air Force pilots flying the Bristol Blenheims, Martin Baltimores and Vickers Wellingtons (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/13helengl.html)
Fighting at Korea - Hellenic Air Force pilots and ground personel of the 13th Flight (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/koreaengl.html)
Hellenic Air Force pilots during the Greek Civil War 1944-1949 (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_294.shtml)

Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 09:32 AM
Here's a review by Mr. Michail Solanakis for the operation "Nike 1974" - A suicide mission to Cyprus. The text is found HERE (http://www.pp.htv.fi/msolanak/kyprosengl.html)


Operation "Nike 1974"
A suicide mission to Cyprus

Written by Mr Michail Solanakis



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In the summer of 1974 the island of Cyprus (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html) was on fire.

In the early morning of July the 20th, a large Turkish landing force invaded the northern part of the island. The official reason for this was a disastrous coup against the governement of President Makarios, which was staged a week earlier, by a group of Greek officers attached to the Cypriot National Guard. Turkey cited its right as a guarantor (along with Greece and the UK) to intervene, as it considered the Turkish-Cypriot minority threatened by the events.

In reality, all the fighting during the coup was among the Greek and Greek - Cypriot military forces and the forces loyal to the Cypriot President.This fighting did not in any way threatened the Turkish - Cypriot population. The real reason for the invasion was, of course, the long standing claims and ambitionsTurkey had on the island.The protection of the minority was a pretext she had used in the past for intervening in the affairs of the island. It is a known fact that preparations for an invasion had started long before the outbreak of the coup.

The Turkish invasion found the defences of Cyprus in disarray and the morale of the defenders very low, after the coup and the tragic events that followed. The ”leadership” that was installed by the coup leaders, was unable to rally the population for the defence against the invaders, and of course its international recognition was non - existent. The preparations for the defence of the island that was considerably weakened after earlier mishandlings and mistakes, was further compromised by the purges in the Cyprus National Guard that followed the coup. In the first day of the invasion and despite overwhelming air, land and sea superiority and the weakness of the resistance offered, the Turkish Forces had secured only a very small bridgehead on the coast of Kerynia. This could have been destroyed in the early stages of the invasion by the side that had the means (and the right) to intervene: Greece.

But no serious attempt was made towards this direction.The dictatorship that ruled Greece for the past seven years, was in the verge of total collapse. The political situation in Athens, where the coup had originated and from which the defence of Cyprus could have been affected, was fast deteriorating. The military preparations and declared mobilisation turned into a fiasco. Valuable time was lost with vacillations, indecision, conflicting orders and outright incompetence. In a climate of confusion and defeatism, the existing plans for the reinforcement of the defences in Cyprus (mainly the air assault on the invading forces) after an initial order for implementation, were cancelled.The excuse given was the remoteness of Cyprus and the slim chances of survival of any Greek aircraft sent over the battlefield.

Alternatively, it was decided to send a token military force by air, in the form of one commando (not paratroop) battalion. There was an attempt to transport a north-Greece commando unit, by commercial (Olympic Airways) aircraft, but this failed under very suspicious circumstances. Alternatively, it was decided to transport another unit, by almost the entire transport fleet of the Hellenic Air Force at the time. It is hard to see the rationale and purpose of this operation, other than as a purely symbolic and morale-raising attempt. After the many facts that came to light over the years, one thing is certain: this was a suicide mission pure and simple. The fact that it did not end up in the total destruction of the force dispatched, can be attributed primarily to the heroism and capabilities of those that carried out the mission, and secondly in sheer luck. No one was ever held responsible for ordering this mission which resulted in the deaths of 33 airmen and commandos, and the destruction of 4 aircraft. This is not inconsistent with the fact that there were no serious charges brought against those responsible for the ”Cyprus Tragedy”, (during which this mission took place), either.

The following is by no means an analysis of the political, or military parameters of the Turkish invasion and the fighting that followed. It is a short narrative, as a small tribute to those killed or injured and all those who participated in the little-known mission ”Nike” (Victory) in July of 1974. This mission was to take place in secrecy, from Souda air base in Crete, with the purpose of carrying the 1st Commando Battalion and its equipment to Nicosia airport in Cyprus. It was given the codename ”Nike” (Victory). 20 ageing Nord 2501 Noratlas and 10 C-47 Dakotas, of the 354 Transport Squadron "Pegasus", were assigned to transport the commando force. The transports would take off at night, with no fighter escort, fly in radio silence, at very low level, with minimum lights and no visual contact between aircraft. They would land in Nicosia, unload the force and take-off right away for the return to Greece.


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The Noratlas cabin looking aft


The plan was, for the take-offs to start at 22.30 hrs of July 21, with a separation of 5’ between take - offs, so that all aircraft would be airborne by midnight. The flight to Cyprus, the landing, unloading and return to base, should take place under cover of darkness to avoid detection by the Turkish Air Force.There were strict orders not to land in Nicosia in daylight. On the night of 21st of July, all the assigned aircraft and the unit to be carried, were ready in the 115th Combat Wing base at Souda bay. The take - off plan was kept by the first five aircraft, when delays started to occur (according to some opinions deliberate), with the result that the order was given to abort the remaining take - offs, leaving five Noratlas and all the Dakotas with the heavy equipment behind!

The last aircraft to take - off was ”Nike 15” (fifteenth in the take - off order), outside the time limits and having ignored the order to abort! The aircraft that finally took - off, flew over the city of Chania, climbed to an altitude of 7000 ft over the White Mountains, and when over the sea, dropped to an altitude of 300 - 500 ft.They followed a south-eastern course, until a point approximately 34º N and 27º E, where they turned east in the direction of Cyprus. The area ahead was monitored by the Turkish Air Force and the detection of the slow transports meant their certain destruction. The Noratlas crews knew very well that in this mission they were alone, there was no friendly fighter escort for their protection.Their only protection was the darkness and the element of surprise.There were no navigational aids, these being shut down because of the outbreak of hostilities, and no reference points to take their bearings, so the skills of the navigators were critical.They did not fly in formation, but idependently and had no visual contact between them, the crews had only a general idea about where the preceding or following aircraft was!

Most of the aircraft had dropped to an altitude of no more than 40 - 50 ft, a very dangerous situation, where the slightest mistake from the pilot meant sudden death for the crew and occupants, on the surface of the Eastern Mediterranean. The flight to Cyprus, was estimated to take around two hours for the slow and heavily laden Noratlas aircraft. Many of them, had all kinds of malfunctions, but their heroic crews pressed on, taking them to their destination.


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The crew of 52-144 "Nike 8" in the cockpit, soon after their return from Cyprus. From the left: Pilot Tzanakos N., Flt Engineer Tsouris V., co-pilot Lavranos D. and Navigator Moutsatsos S.


Approaching Cyprus from the west and having broken the radio silence long ago, they noted the increased US 6th Fleet warship activity in the area south-west of the island. One of the Noratlas, reported having flown very near an aircraft carrier, without incident. Other aircraft flew over the British base of Akrotiri which went on alert. The Command of the British Forces in Cyprus, warned that they will intercept any further overflights of the area. Over the island, the aircraft climbed higher and their crews noted the large fires blazing on Mt Troodos, the result of the Turkish Air Force bombings of the previous day. These blazes were the source of the gleams of light on the horizon, that had helped them with their navigation earlier , when far out over the sea.

Some aircraft started to receive light arms fire from the Turkish Cypriot positions on the island, but the crews were not overly worried. One by one, the heavily laden transports started their final approach to Nicosia airport losing progressively height. Near the airport, they encountered heavy anti - aircraft fire, even though they knew the airport and the surrounding area was in Greek hands. The time was a little over 02.00, July the 22nd. Before take off, at their briefing, the crews had been told that the Greek-Cypriot forces holding the Nicosia airport were informed for their coming and ordered not to open fire on their approach. There are many conflicting reports about such an order being issued, who gave it, what it really said, or at what time it was sent out. The fact is, that the aircraft trying to land, received a barrage of fire from positions inside and outside the airport.The fire came from Greek-Cypriot anti-aircraft positions, and from various other spots manned by civilians firing at the Noratlas transports, with all kinds of weapons.Later, it was learnt that all those firing at the approaching aircraft thought that they were Turkish, having heard nothing of any coming Greek reinforcements.

Aircraft ”Nike 1”,”Nike 2” and ”Nike 3”, under a hail of fire, managed to land and unload the commandos and their equipment. Noratlas ”Nike 4” got hit by heavy AA fire, caught fire and crashed two miles before the runway. All on board, except one, were killed. ”Nike 7”, received a direct hit on No 1 engine, and had No 2 on fire , but its heroic crew managed to land the aircraft. Two of the commandos on board got killed and 11 others were injured from the fire that almost tore the aircraft apart. Some of the Noratlas pilots, on their final approach, turned all their lights on, in a desperate effort to warn those firing from the ground about their nationality. This had little effect on those firing, but at least the last aircraft had no casualties even though they all carried the marks of the fire they received. Belatedly, and after most of the aircraft had landed, the forces on the ground realised that the aircraft were friendly and the fire ceased. Unfortunately, too late for the 33 killed and the two Noratlas transports.


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The crew of "Niki 8" in front of their aircraft


Last, and just before the first light, ”Nike 15” landed, carrying the heavy equipment of the 1st Commando Battalion. All the aircraft that landed in Nicosia airport, took off immediately for the return flight, except of course, the unfortunate ”Nike 4” and three others: ”Nike 3” which had engine problems and could not take off, the almost destroyed ”Nike 7”, and ”Nike 12”, that ran out of fuel.All three Noratlas aircraft were destroyed on the ground by Greek - Cypriot Forces, under orders of the Hellenic Air Force Headquarters, presumably as an attempt to erase all evidence of this symbolic Greek contribution to the Battle of Cyprus. The pretense of course was, that Greece was not officially at war with Turkey!!

The rest of the aircraft, saving fuel and flying always very low, to avoid the Turkish Air Force that was soon to resume flying with the daylight, started to arrive in Souda , except 4 which landed in Rhodes, these being short on fuel or having sustained damage. Two of the Noratlas that took off from Souda, never landed in Nicosia: ”Nike 13”, after wandering over the sea, reported "navigation difficulties" and landed in Rhodes. ”Nike 14”, arriving late over Cyprus and after the first light, followed the orders to the letter and turned back without landing.


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After the mission, Sqdr Leader Tzanakos points at the damage from A/A fire to the right wing of s/n 52-144.


In Nicosia, when daylight came the Turkish Air Force started to bomb the airport. The commandos of 1st Battalion that survived the nightmare of the previous night, took positions in the defence of the airport.In the days that followed they fought gallantly against the Turkish invaders. Unfortunately, the heroic mission of the Hellenic Air Force was the only help from Greece to arrive in Cyprus at the time of crisis. The heroism of those that took part, and the sacrifice of those killed during it, were not enough to alter the course of the events. It will, nevertheless, be one of the brightest moments in the History of the Hellenic Air Force, albeit not fully recognised.


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speckfire
05-07-2006, 09:40 AM
Thanks for sharing Nick. I never knew about this incident.

Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 09:43 AM
HAF personel on SFOR duties



First seen at SFOR Informer #14, July 9, 1997

Rimini, Italy. - They continue to fly, a lone squadron of 22 men flying and maintaining a single aircraft, the Hercules C-130. They continue to provide SFOR with Channel Flight services between Zagreb and Split, Croatia, Sarajevo, Naples and Rimini. They are the Greek section of the Multinational Air Movement Detachment Rimini (MAMDRIM), stationed in the Italian resort town.



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Navigator 2Lt. Georgios Rasanis works at the navigation / radar station on board the C-130 Channel Flight aircraft.



Greek airmen began flying as part of MAMDRIM following implementation of the Dayton Peace Agreement in December 1995. At the time, units from Holland Norway and the United Kingdom supplied people and equipment to the Channel Flight airlift. Now the Greek team work hand - in - hand with a 13-man Canadian Detachment to provide the Channel Flights. Canada’s contribution to MAMDRIM involves operations’ support to the Greek fliers.




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Ground crewman performing post - flight maintenance after landing at MAMDRIM, Rimini, Italy.




Lt. Col. Apostolos Koutris, Commander of the Greek Detachment, says "we try to do our duty, which is to fly people safely. We have logged more than 1,600 hours of accident free service, which I believe is a credit to our pilots and maintenance personnel, and also a credit to the Canadians that provide us their professional expertise."



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The ground crew of the Hellenic Air Force Detachment at Rimini, Italy, in front of their Hercules C-130.



Covering the Channel Flight with one aircraft is not easy as there is a busy schedule to fulfill. Currently, flights are on for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday of each week. The schedule is firm, but flexible, based on the maintenance condition of the aircraft. "We want to fly to meet the schedule," said Koutris, adding, "but safety comes first, and we have to ensure that the plane receives proper maintenance. When all goes well we are in the air on time, and everyone is happy."



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Canadian and Greek officers work together in the Multinational Air Movement Detachment Rimini to provide the SFOR Channel Flight.



The Greeks are primarily concerned with the aircraft’s operation, but they do provide logistic help. Capt. Nicolaos Evangelou works in MAMDRIM’s Operations Office with two Canadian officers. He said, "I enjoy working with the Canadians. They are very professional, and we have become very good friends, both socially and in the work environment."



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A crewman carries out a visual inspection of the C-130 at the end of another SFOR mission.

Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 10:28 AM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 10:37 AM
F-16C's rock'n roll


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Resurrection
05-07-2006, 10:40 AM
I like the Hellenic F-16s. They look buff.

Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 10:51 AM
Phabulous 337th Sqdrn Phantoms


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Nick_Karatzides
05-07-2006, 11:27 AM
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CYW
05-09-2006, 08:28 AM
Amazing pics nick! btw, i was wondering, the Cypriot National Guard has such a huge military budget right? why then dnt we have any fighter planes? is it due to outside influence?

Resurrection
05-09-2006, 08:38 AM
Can't see the last batch of pics mate, can you host them on Imageshack? And also, do you have a cockpit shot of the A-7?

Nick_Karatzides
05-09-2006, 12:45 PM
Can't see the last batch of pics mate, can you host them on Imageshack? And also, do you have a cockpit shot of the A-7?I see no reason you cannot see the pictures sent on my previous #72 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1645129&postcount=72) post. A slow internet connection maybe? Anyway, I've already PM the links to you. Here are the A-7 Corsair II cockpit pictures you asked for. In case you still cannot see the pics, the links are HERE (http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/4/3/7/0884734.jpg), HERE (http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/1/0/1/0274101.jpg), HERE (http://avwings.com/images/a7panel.jpg) and HERE (http://avwings.com/images/a7pit.jpg).


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Scyth
05-09-2006, 01:52 PM
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Orkids on the seat?

Resurrection
05-09-2006, 02:23 PM
Great cockpit pics, thanks man.

Keegan
05-09-2006, 02:56 PM
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Its blowing smoke rings....:-D.......I would love a hi-res version of these 2 if thats possible....

Nick_Karatzides
05-09-2006, 07:34 PM
Orkids on the seat?My friend Skyth, please check your speling again because I cannot understand what the word "Orkids" could possibly mean in English language. Are you sure you wrote the word correctly? Is there anybody else who understands?

Resurrection
05-09-2006, 07:44 PM
My friend Skyth, please check your speling again because I cannot understand what the word "Orkids" could possibly mean in English language. Are you sure you wrote the word correctly? Is there anybody else who understands?
Well there's the word "orchids"... doubt that's what he meant though.

Nick_Karatzides
05-09-2006, 08:05 PM
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Its blowing smoke rings....:-D.......I would love a hi-res version of these 2 if thats possible....



I'm afraid that this resolution, is the only one I could get. Sorry... :roll:

Nick_Karatzides
05-09-2006, 08:26 PM
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My friend Skyth, please check your speling again because I cannot understand what the word "Orkids" could possibly mean in English language. Are you sure you wrote the word correctly? Is there anybody else who understands?Well there's the word "orchids"... doubt that's what he meant though.No, I don't think Skyth means "orchids". After all... I see no orchids on the ejection seat. But these 2 "objects" left on the seat, look like technical manuals or checklist books to me... or else.

saladin
05-10-2006, 01:14 AM
My friend Skyth, please check your speling again because I cannot understand what the word "Orkids" could possibly mean in English language. Are you sure you wrote the word correctly? Is there anybody else who understands?
It is a joke, you can loosely translate it to "Always" in America.

Scyth
05-10-2006, 06:27 AM
Yeah that's what I meant:

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Nick_Karatzides
05-10-2006, 08:40 AM
No, I don't think Skyth means "orchids". After all... I see no orchids on the ejection seat. But these 2 "objects" left on the seat, look like technical manuals or checklist books to me... or else.


Yeah that's what I meant:


http://www.garantialisveris.com/FrontContent/ProductImages/32961.jpg
Ahaaaa! Now I got it. Well, Skyth seems to have a very good sence of humor, but these "objects" are technical manuals or checklist books left on the ejection seat. After all, it's not a THK aircraft picture, just AFTER a dogfight with HAF F-16 & M-2000 aircrafts. :) If this picture was about a THK aircraft's ejection seat appearance, just AFTER a dogfight with HAF F-16 & M-2000 aircrafts, I could imagine the reasons to use these "orkids" to wipe and clean the seat. :) :) :) :) :) :)

BTW, I found some nice HUD camera videos in my files, showing THK F-16s trying hopelesly to escape a very unpleasant FOX-2 situation, when dogfighting with some HAF fighters. You'll also hear the GAR8 warning signal keeps "glowling". I'm sure you'll all love these vids. I now remembered the logo "you can run to escape, but you'll only die tired!"

TriggerHappy
05-10-2006, 09:05 AM
Ahaaaa! Now I got it. Well, Skyth seems to have a very good sence of humor, but these "objects" are technical manuals or checklist books left on the ejection seat. After all, it's not a THK aircraft picture, just AFTER a dogfight with HAF F-16 & M-2000 aircrafts. :) If this picture was about a THK aircraft's ejection seat appearance, just AFTER a dogfight with HAF F-16 & M-2000 aircrafts, I could imagine the reasons to use these "orkids" to wipe and clean the seat. :) :) :) :) :) :)

BTW, I found some nice HUD camera videos in my files, showing THK F-16s trying hopelesly to escape a very unpleasant FOX-2 situation, when dogfighting with some HAF fighters. You'll also hear the GAR8 warning signal keeps "glowling". I'm sure you'll all love these vids. I now remembered the logo "you can run to escape, but you'll only die tired!"

Hahahahahahahhahahah

Kalo kalo

Egw nomiza anferotan se "orxeis", koinos arxidia alla o typos einai ........ asta na pan.

Scyth
05-10-2006, 10:16 AM
Egw nomiza anferotan se "orxeis", koinos arxidia alla o typos einai ........ asta na pan.

Talk French you naughty weasel or you'll join your buddies (Greek Soldier among them) in Mykonos earlier than planned!

Nick, as to your allusion to the Turkish pilot shot down by a lunatic Greek pilot, can you explain to us what happened afterwards?

I dig the pics of the all-analog Corsair cockpit. But seriously, let us acknowledge the fact that it won't fly very far in the "deep strike" missions it was designed to conduct.

In any case dog fights are GOOOOOOD!

TriggerHappy
05-10-2006, 10:30 AM
Take it easy there kido.
No one is insulting you.

By the way, are you trying to get banned?

Nick_Karatzides
05-10-2006, 10:49 AM
Hahahahahahahhahahah Kalo kalo Egw nomiza anferotan se "orxeis", koinos arxidia alla o typos einai ........ asta na pan.Shhhhhhhh! TriggerHappy, please try (as a personal favor for me) to write English here, because it is the MP rule and there are many non - Greek speaking interested members, who are trying find out what is going on and get disappointed when they do not understand. Please... OK?






Talk French you naughty weasel or you'll join your buddies (Greek Soldier among them) in Mykonos earlier than planned!Eaaaaaaasy fellas! Eaaaasy. After all, what's wrong with Mykonos island? Mykonos is a wonderful place for summer holidays! Scyth, have you ever been there?






Nick, as to your allusion to the Turkish pilot shot down by a lunatic Greek pilot, can you explain to us what happened afterwards?If you are talking about the "THK-trying-to-escape-from-HAF" video, I mentioned into my previous message, it's an "in action" video taken from a HAF F-16 HUD camera during an "everyday happening" dogfight over the Aegean. Ofcourse the pilots (both sides) are NOT lunatics! They are very well trained proffesionals who do their job as best as they can.






I dig the pics of the all analog Corsair cockpit. But seriously, let us acknowledge the fact that it won't fly very far in the "deep strike" missions it was designed to conduct.Yeah, yeah, yeah... right! Dream on my friend. :) Dreams are for free! I remind you that the A-7 was (until very few years before) one of the most effective US Navy bombers / strikers for a more than 30 years time period. I bet for a reason!


http://www.hellas.org/military/air_force/images/a7e-2.jpg

PS. Is the A-10 analog cockpit typed too? Ahhh... I thought so! BTW, I wouldn't like to place myself under an A-7's or A-10's ANALOG gunsights. It huuuuuuurts!

Scyth
05-10-2006, 11:34 AM
Yes, I respect the A-10. Analog or vaginog it sure rocks.

But I still don't see the Corsair as an effective modern fighter/bomber. I'm sure it was state-of-the-art 30 years ago though.

BTW Nick, checking your Corsair picks again, are you sure they are from Greek Corsairs????

CYW
05-10-2006, 01:47 PM
could u post a link to those videos nick? is it possible to upload them from ur pc here or sumin?

HEAT
05-10-2006, 01:49 PM
Hellenic Air Force F-16 Block 52+


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/f-16blc52.jpg


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT

Pytheas
05-10-2006, 01:53 PM
Hellenes Pilots Profiles:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6204/hafnicephoto0yn.jpg
high res. pic, here: http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6204/hafnicephoto0yn.jpg


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/937/hafyearbook6xc.jpg
VERY high res. pic, here: http://www2.filehost.to/files/2006-05-10_03/173806_haf-yearbook-big.jpg

woot

CYW
05-10-2006, 02:04 PM
the pic with the pilot and the greek flag is wicked...woot woot woot

Pytheas
05-10-2006, 02:09 PM
the pic with the pilot and the greek flag is wicked...woot woot woot

lol, that's what you become when you hunt every night and day turks..;)

CYW
05-10-2006, 02:11 PM
ye i can imagine (αυτο ειναι το ονειρο μου...)

Scyth
05-10-2006, 02:27 PM
lol, that's what you become when you hunt every night and day turks..;)

Oh you're so cool Pytheas. Hunt THIS too please.

Pytheas
05-10-2006, 02:32 PM
This what??

Kontra1
05-11-2006, 12:53 AM
hmmm...hey! while you guys at this, why don't you tell us about the Nikos Salmas' F-1 Mirage that disappeared from the greek radars two days after our F-16 incident..huh? ;) Sorry no pics...we don't release pics about these kind of things since we don't worry about proving something like this.

But to refresh your memory,there was an article about the disappearing Mirage in the greek magazine "Krama" written by Panos Kolyopanos.

Oh..also, tell us about the helo that suddenly crashed during the Kardak crises in '96. ;)

P.S. I wouldn't be suprised if you all deniy both events and call it an "accident" or something... LOL!

Heron
05-11-2006, 01:05 AM
oh
thanks for posting

Scyth
05-11-2006, 07:36 AM
The first two pics are interesting Airborne. Continuous dogfights over the Aegean have made the THK and HAF some of the most battle-ready air forces in the world. However, refrain from having hard ons about assassinated Turkish pilots, since the an-eye-for-an-eye rule is applied assiduously on both sides. The Greek pilot who shot down the Turkish plane and killed the pilot was tried and convicted. I think he is now spending his days in an asylum for retards right now.

I don't think you would want another Catastrophe. One is enough for anybody I guess.

Greek Mirage-2000s on TAF F-16 HUD:

http://www.turkavi.net/images/web/turkish_f-16_vs_greece_mirage-2000.jpg
http://www.turkavi.net/images/web/mirage.jpg

On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile fired on purpose.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

orko_8
05-11-2006, 08:23 AM
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4532/fantomas3rn.jpg

I think there is a problem with this picture... The F-4E whose tail code ise 70288 has USAF serial code 77-0288. This aircraft is from 171st squadron of Malatya Erhac 7th Main Jet Base with primary role of ground strike (now it continues flying as F-4E 2020 Terminator with Hill Grey II camo scheme). Those strike F-4E's of then 2nd Tactical Air Force (now 2nd Air Force) almost never flew missions over Aegean. Those Phantoms which flew over Aegean were mainly from Eskisehir and Konya MJB's. Aegean Sea is simply not in the area of responsibility of 2nd Air Force...

By the way...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/f-16blc52.jpg

This artwork took my attention. It really looks cool. I think There are two IRIS-T missiles on stations 2 and 8. The launchers look like LAU-129. Is LAU-129 certified for IRIS-T or do they use different launchers? Any info about that?

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 10:39 AM
hmmm...hey! while you guys at this, why don't you tell us about the Nikos Salmas' F-1 Mirage that disappeared from the greek radars two days after our F-16 incident..huh? ;) Sorry no pics...we don't release pics about these kind of things since we don't worry about proving something like this. But to refresh your memory,there was an article about the disappearing Mirage in the greek magazine "Krama" written by Panos Kolyopanos. Oh..also, tell us about the helo that suddenly crashed during the Kardak crises in '96. ;)

P.S. I wouldn't be suprised if you all deniy both events and call it an "accident" or something... LOL! Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204), thanks for posting. You are very welcome into HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) topic. To tell you the truth I was wondering why you didn't post any pics or comments so long. :) Please allow me to answer on your kind questions / statements, one by one:




1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas story
18th June 1992


NOBODY denies the 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) event. But I think that you are not informed as well as you should. First of all, it happened on 18th June 1992 (not 12th June 1992 as you said). The 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) event, was NOT a reaction of any THK aircraft loss. It happened after a very long period of time where both AFs had only "virtual" wins and no real casualities - that's for sure! You can get a full detailed "air-to-air victories" catalog by clicking HERE (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_299.shtml).

So, on 18th June 1992, 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg), crashed during dogfight with THK F-16s over the Agios Efstratios island (http://www.hellashotel.gr/maps/north_aegean/ag_efstratios.jpg) which is a Greek island found at the NorthEast Aegean sea, very close to Lemnos island (http://www.sunnygreece.gr/maps/limnos.gif) (also Greek island!). Any MP member, who are not familiar or very clearly informed on Greek / Turkish geography, please click HERE (http://www.magical-greece.com/maps/north%20aegean%20%20islands.gif) to get a Northern Aegean picture showing the present boundaries. These are mentioned to keep in mind that the specific dogfight, took place INTO Greek national airspace, over a Greek island (here is a GoogleEarth area picture (http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4157/lemnosagiosefstratios0ac.jpg))... and that makes the 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) (HAF Mirage F-1CG pilot) a "Motherland defender" and the Captain (THK) Ilhan Filiz (THK F-16 pilot) the "invading force".

Here's the 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) story, as I personaly sent it to MP forum under the "Turkish Armed Forces Elite Forces amazing photos & videos" topic about 2 weeks ago (message #1429 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1626128&postcount=1429)):


http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg
Lt (HAF) Nick Sialmas


The s/n "116" - also named "Lesvos" Mirage F-1CG (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_f_1cg_116_lesvos_001.jpg), was flown by 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg), of the 342nd Sqdr on 18 June 1992. While engaged by two THK F-16Cs, Lt (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) entered a break that was too much for the Mirage F-1CG's flight envelope at this low level. The aircraft entered an uncontroled vertical spin and finaly crashed into the sea surface, killing the pilot. The 1st Lt (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) died SERVING his Motherland as a Spartan warrior at the Battle of Thermopylae, while fighting against more enemies, having a less capable "sword" at the age of 26. He was a brave man and his example will never be forgoten.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_f_1cg_116_lesvos_001.jpg

The s/n "116" - also named "Lesvos" Mirage F-1CG





Imia island crisis story
31st January 1996


On the other hand, NOBODY denies the Agusta Bell AB-212 Hellenic Navy helicopter (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/af/imi.jpg) crash during the Imia crisis on the night of 31st January 1996 (possibly under Turkish rifle fire or e-jamming). The Turkish side who claims that the Imia islands are a "grey zone" for Turkish armed forces Hqs, denies that the island is a Greek territory and decide to "name" the islands, by the word "Kardak". The night of the 31st January 1996, Turkey threatened Greece with war. The reason was two small rocky islands located between the borders of Greece and Turkey. These islands, as you can see on this official US Navy map (http://www.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/%7Epkaval/imia/imia.jpg), belong to Greece, they are within the boundaries of the Greek State and their name is Imia islands.


http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/europe.jpg http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/imia.jpg


http://www.e-grammes.gr/photos/turkey/imia3.jpg


To sumarize the situation. Imia is a rocky 10 acre island that Turkey all of a sudden places claims over it. There is no question that this little rock IS Greek. This is based on FACTS - 1947 Dodecanese convention (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html#1) and the TREATY - 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html)documents signed by all nations after WWII are living proof. Turkey is the agressor in this case as always been for hundreds of years through history. It is very unfortunate that large nations and world organizations put first their own interrests and then the facts, thus refrain from condemning these hostile acts resulting to encouragement of the agressor.

The new Turkish claim over the Greek is outrageous against any international regulation and the treaties. At the end of the first world in war in 1919 all the central forces, ie: Germany, Austria and Turkey faced territory losses. One area which was occupied by Turkey, the Dodecanese, was given to Italy, though it was occupied by Greek habitants. At 1932, Italy and Turkey agreed that Imia was under the Italian rule (as described before with TREATY - 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html)documents). In 1947 after the end of the second world war the Dodecanese were finally returned to Greece, since all the occupants were Greek.

Turkey claims today that according to the Greek - Turkish treaty of 1923 , which was signed in Lausaigne, all the isles which are 3 miles away from the Asia Minor belong to Turkey. This treaty outlined the recent Greek - Turkish borders, but the Dodecanese were not included in this treaty since they belonged to Italy. Imia is not the only isle in this state there are about ten small Greek isles, which are closer than 3 miles to Asia - Minor, so any retreat of Greece on Imia would mean that Greece and indeed Europe will be ten islands smaller. To stress the novelty of the Turkish demands it would be interesting to note that the official maps of the Italian, the British and the US Navy include the isle of Imia to the Greek territory, moreover the official Turkish map (which was last updated in 1953) does NOT include the isle in Turkey.

The Turkish behaviour against its neighbourhood countries was always aggressive. The policy of offending neighbours and demanding the change of the boundaries was always the centre of the Turkish foreign diplomacy. Today some people in Turkey (I hope not you my friend Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204)) dreamed the expansion over a remote, yet strategic islet called Imia, which is part of the Dodecanese and it is located close to the well known island of Kos. As it is the usual Turkish policy they appear aggressive in order to avoid a conflict the offended would accept a "dialogue" over non existent issues. Usually the Turkish intelligence appoints a "civilian" Turk to generate an episode, then the foreign ministry claims that this is a new problem which is a useful diplomatic argument in future discussions. That is the reason why the Greek government is not willing to discuss the problem, how would you like the US government to discuss the future of Texas with Mexico, just because some Mexicans raised the Mexican flag in Texas.

In this particular incident the story is as follows: During the last week of January 1996, two Turkish journalists (???) escorted Turkish fishermen (click HERE (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/response.jpg) for picture) landed by helicopter on the Greek isle Imia.


http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/response.jpg

They took down the Greek flag and raised the Turkish one. I quote the "Turkish Daily news" which refers to the Turkish foreign minister. "...It is not possible to create sovereignty by de facto situations and fait accompli..." Akbel said, referring to the Greek move to remove a Turkish flag on the rocks and to hoist back the Greek one. Greece responded rapidly and a small Hellenic Navy SpecOps group (frogmen) landed on the west isle to prevent further Turkish "visits". At this point the Turks had also sent a patrol boat which was stuck in the Greek waters. The Hellenic response was furious and immediate, the fleet was dispatched from the ports and it took positions all over the Greek Aegean sea. On he night 31st January 1996, a small Turkish Navy SpecOps group (frogmen) landed on the east isle to establish the Turkish claims. An Agusta Bell AB-212 (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/af/imi.jpg) helicopter sent by the Hellenic Hqs to check if the Turkish comandos really landed on the isle and confirm by hitting high beam lights on them. Moments later, the helicopter lost contact and finaly confirmed as crashed on the sea few minutes later. Some people say that the Turkish frogmen took some shots against it, some says it was a mechanical malfunction caused by Hi-Tec electronic jams and countermeasures. Nobody will ever know the true reasons. The names of the three brave Hellenic Navy Agusta Bell AB-212 (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/af/imi.jpg) helicopter crew were Comander (HN) Christodoulos Karathanasis (http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/greek/ana/1999/99-02-01.ana.html#08), Lt. Comander (HN) Panayotis Vlahakos (http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/greek/ana/1996/96-02-09.ana.html#19), Ensign (HN) Ektoras Yialopsos (http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/greek/ana/1996/96-02-10.ana.html#17).



http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2184/imi2rr.jpg



This is the s/n HN21 Agusta Bell AB-212 helicopter crashed under Turkish fire






After that, the United Nations suggested to both Greece and Turkey to solve this problem in between them, having the above in mind there is nothing to discuss with Turkey. The United Nations suggested that both the fleet and the army should evacuate the area, but the Greek forces will go away as soon as the Greek borders are not in danger.

PS. The Turkish comandos team who landed on the east isle, ALL killed while training one week later during a helicopter transport. Bad luck or Greece's God revenge... nobody will ever know!

Even if we both hope for PEACE (aren't we?)... it is very hard for Greeks to forget Cyprus (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_296.shtml), impossible to forget the Imia islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak) crisis, hard to bury into our mind the names of our fallen eagles. You can also can refer to the headlines of the Greek and the Turkish papers: Greek headlines 30-01-96A (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/Greek30.html) / Turkish headlines 31-1-96 (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/Turk31.html)

What about today status? Well, Greece has this strange shape, and it's east border with Turkey is currently the Aegean islands, the Dodecanese are a few of them. These remote islands are closer to the Turkish coast compared to the Greek main land. This is not strange, because the west Turkish coast of Asia Minor was inhabited by Greeks witch were slaughtered in 1922. These islands is what remains of the original Greek boarders. The Turks were in all their history impotent in the naval fight gif for that reason all the Aegean sea is Greek. Yet in the recent years there was oil found in the Aegean sea, since 1974 Turkey started being interested in the Aegean sea. The new claim Turkey raised was that the islands do not have a continental plate, therefore the Aegean oil is Turkish regardless the fact that all the islands in the Aegean sea are Greek. In other words the Greek islands lay on a Turkish continental plate, or the oil of the north sea does not belong partly to England and Scotland, because Great Britain is an island! Moreover according to the law about the sea of 1982, the territorial waters expanded form 10 to 12 miles. This means that Turkey will be blocked by the numerous Greek islands, and the Turks will need the Greek License to exit in the Mediterranean. For that reason Turkey stated that if Greece extends its sea borders to 12 miles, it will be an act of war. Greece until recently have not extended it's territorial waters, but it will do so in the future, therefore Turkey is interested in occupying some Greek islands in order to maintain the exit to the Mediterranean.



My friend Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204),

As I told you into another post, propaganda is NOT my way! I like seeing the things thay way they ARE (not seem or appear to), with clear DATA and strong FACTS. I always believed that Greeks AND Turks are also love the Motherland. But this is not a factor to forget the TRUTH, the DATA, the FACTS and finaly the TRUE HISTORY.

Scyth
05-11-2006, 10:45 AM
Nick, you're a grown up man, so stop copy-pasting from here:

http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~kap/Aegean/mypage/node3.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/~kap/Aegean/mypage/node3.html

You have your own views right? And you don't do do propaganda right?

orko_8
05-11-2006, 10:46 AM
The HUD video of the pursuing Turkish F-16 was released some time after the incident. TuAF pilot screamed "God damn it, he crashed into the sea!". This really was a tragic incident, RIP to the pilot...

By the way Mirage F1 incident took place on 18.06.1992.. TuAF lost one F-16 in 1992 (on 25.06.1992, near Murted Main Jet Base, pilot survived).

Video footage taken from a Turkish TV news report about the incident, which has the HUD footage also: http://**********.de/files/20185460/dogfight1.exe.html

Scyth
05-11-2006, 11:07 AM
Nice footage Orko. Thanks. I wonder if they have it in higher res?

As they say, he who plays with fire gets burned.

RIP to the poor Greek though.

orko_8
05-11-2006, 11:10 AM
I have hi-res of the HUD video but not for web / sharing.

By the way any answers for this (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652470&postcount=103)?

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 11:35 AM
Continuous dogfights over the Aegean have made the THK and HAF some of the most battle-ready air forces in the world.That's for sure. All the NATO pilots confirms that these HAF & THK are the most capable pilots nowdays.






However, refrain from having hard ons about assassinated Turkish pilots, since the an-eye-for-an-eye rule is applied assiduously on both sides.Hmmmm, interesting point of view for the word "assasin". Well, if I (for example) fly armed without your permition, over Turkish territory and you will intercept me and finaly shot me (if I will not follow your "go back" orders)... is that an "assasin"? I bet no! It's an interception! RIP to the poor THK pilot though.






Greek Mirage-2000s on TAF F-16 HUDSorry no pic! Check, edit and send again if possible.






On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage 2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile fired on purpose.The HAF pilot DID NOT fired without Hdq command! Please see the diference between "assasin" and "interception". According to logic when an "invader" shoots or shot down a "defender" (I remind you that the 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) incident dogfight, took place INTO Greek national airspace, over a Greek island) IS a hostile action. I wouldn't say the word "assasin" because these men (both sides) are military pilots and they should be prepared for this. On the other hand, when an "invader" gets shot by a "defender", IS an interception. No?






Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage 2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.What is the Semadirek island? Please give me some infos because it sounds sci-fi to me. We both had some air-to-air loses but no HAF Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) ever shot by THK aircrafts.






The Greek pilot who shot down the Turkish plane and killed the pilot was tried and convicted. I think he is now spending his days in an asylum for retards right now.Is that a joke? Man... I personaly KNOW the guy. I ensure yu that he is one of the most respective "active duty" HAF pilots. Ofcourse had never been convicted and spending his days in an asylum for retards is a quite funny story. Maaaannnn!






Nick, you're a grown up man, so stop copy-pasting from here: http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~kap/Aegean/...age/node3.html (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node3.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node3.html) You have your own views right? And you don't do do propaganda right?Skyth (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=12940), I wonder if you are a grown up man too. For your information the text is copied from HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak) (not the also correct link you mention). Also please feel free to check the following:
1 The military crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#The_military_crisis)
2 Legal status of the islets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#Legal_status_of_the_islets)
2.1 The Treaty of Lausanne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#The_Treaty_of_Lausanne)
2.2 The Treaty of Ankara and protocol of 1932 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#The_Treaty_of_Ankara_and_protocol_of_1932)
2.3 Later diplomatic relations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#Later_diplomatic_relations)
2.4 Factual exercise of sovereignty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#Factual_exercise_of_sovereignty)
2.5 Cartographic evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#Cartographic_evidence)
2.6 Reactions by third countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak#Reactions_by_third_countries) Scyth (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=12940), you look an openminded person. As I told before propaganda is NOT my way and I'm trying NOT to do! I like seeing the things thay way they ARE (not seem or appear to), with clear DATA and strong FACTS. Now, if you could please give me some advice or links where I can find the REAL 1947 Dodecanese convention (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html#1) and the REAL 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html) (if you still believe that "mine" is not real enough for you)... you are mostly welcome to do to give us all an answer.

Scyth
05-11-2006, 12:07 PM
When you SHOOT DOWN a plane in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, its murder. The fact that Greece unilaterally recognizes an expanded airspace is its own problem. The fact that Greece didn't say anything when a Greek plane crashed (not SHOT DOWN mind you, CRASHED or FORCED TO CRASH, you need skill for that, tougher than firing a missile) just two days later, points to the fact the Greek Command accepted having one of its own taken out for compensation to avert war.

It's a Greek magazine (Krama) that ran an article about that whole event and asserted that Thanos Grivas was tried at a military tribunal and that his mental state was deemed as "unbalanced". Maybe he was acquitted since. Doesn't matter since one of his brother-in-arms lies in his metal grave deep below the Aegean.

And Nick, you still should'nt copy and paste the works of others as if it was your own. It's intellectual theft and I know you can do better.

Semadirek is Turkish for Samothraki. The incident I'm referring to is shown on video in Orko's post.

As for Kardak, I really don't care you know.

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 12:40 PM
When you SHOOT DOWN a plane in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, its murder.The THK planes had been shot down INTO Greek national airspace (http://www.athensnews.gr/data/D2001/D0706/1ng7a.gif). That's sound like a confirmed interception to me. 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) was forced to crash after a dogfight which took place over Greek land and ofcourse INTO Greek national airspace (http://www.athensnews.gr/data/D2001/D0706/1ng7a.gif). Well, that's sound like an THK invasion to me. Or maybe assasin?


http://www.athensnews.gr/data/D2001/D0706/1ng7a.gif

I hope our hero 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) is now resting in Heaven with his brothers: Leonidas (http://greece-private.com/Sparti/Leonidas.jpg) and the spartans.






It's a Greek magazine (Krama) that ran an article about that whole event and asserted that Thanos Grivas was tried at a military tribunal and that his mental state was deemed as "unbalanced". Maybe he was acquitted since.I say again. I personaly know Thanasis Grivas for more than 15 years. His mental state is not "unbalanced" - after all... he is still flying the Mirage 2000! To tell you the truth, I don't know this Greek magazine named "Krama". Please scan a copy for me and send the page if posible. Are you sure it's a Greek magazine? Does ANY Greek reading here know the magazine "Krama"? If yes, please respond.






Doesn't matter since one of his brother-in-arms lies in his metal grave deep below the Aegean.As I said before, we (REALLY) are very sorry for a human life lost up there. We both had our victims. You also said before: "...he who plays with fire gets burned..."






Nick, you still should'nt copy and paste the works of others as if it was your own. It's intellectual theft and I know you can do better.Skyth, please read again. I have NEVER said that the copy & pasted articles were mine! I always give the links to let the MP readers find their way. I hope you understand. I also know you can do better!






Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage 2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.


Semadirek is Turkish for Samothraki.So Skyth to let me understand: On 10th October 1996 a Greek Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) crashed close to Samothraki. I answered before my friend: We both had some air-to-air loses but no HAF Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) ever shot (or forced to crash) by THK aircrafts, especialy near Samothraki island! To tell you the truth no HAF Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) ever crashed (for ANY reason) close to Samothraki island.






As for Kardak, I really don't care you know.I thought that discusing polite and using for our conversation the facts stated on international or Greece / Turkey both signed conventions (like 1947 Dodecanese convention (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html#1) and the 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html))... confirms that we are making a nice dialog. Why you are not accepting these documents? Is it a tactic or a fancy trick? I would like to hear your answer if you please.

CYW
05-11-2006, 12:40 PM
When you SHOOT DOWN a plane in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, its murder

And when a country continualy violates another country's airspace no matter how many warnings were given to them, its cause for war...but there u go...

TriggerHappy
05-11-2006, 12:45 PM
When you SHOOT DOWN a plane in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE.

According to Turkish High Command, Greek waters are also International waters and that is why we have to chase turkish ships too.

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 12:54 PM
Shooting down of the Turkish F-102s
on 22nd July 1974


Originaly written by Mr. Demetris Stergiou found HERE (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_298.shtml)

Here is an incident that in my opinion is the most important contribution of the Northrop F-5A in the modern history of the Hellenic Air Force. Lets clear that we are talking about the shooting down of a Turkish F-102 by a Greek F-5 on July 21st 1974, and the destruction of a second one. The incident which resulted in two Turkish pilots loosing their lives was recalled by one of the two Greek protagonists, then young pilot and today retired Brigadier General Thomas Skamparthonis.

"...I reported to the Icarus School (HAF Academy) in October of 1968 and joined the 44th training class. The 44th was the first that completed four years in the Academy, since up to that time the years for graduating were three, as was the same in the Army & Navy Academies. The Icari (cadet pilots) of the 43rd Class, been in the transition stage from three to four years, were sworn as pilot officers at 3 1/2 years and we were the first to be commissioned at 4 years. So I was sworn in as a pilot officer in September of 1972. The years at the Academy passed relatively fast.

In the first year the basic training was conducted, and this included 35 hours on T-6 Texans and Harvards. We soloed at 25 hours, which is considered late by today's standards, as this was attributed the T-6 being pretty difficult for the young cadets. From the next year (1969-1970) things for the cadets at Icarus School changed with the of the T-41D Mescaleros of the 360th Sqdr. My class, the 44th, was the last to train with the Harvards. In the second year we continued our training with the T-37. At that time we didn't go to Kalamata for this, but to Elefsis. There, the 361st Sqdr. using the T-37 and the 362nd Sqdr. using the T-33A for advanced training were stationed, as wells as the 355MTM. In the second year we concluded our basic training, logging some 70-75 hours, while at the third year, in the advanced stage, we logged 120 hours in the T-33.

Of course at the time my class was at the advanced stage, Kalamata opened (1970-71), so most T-33 hours were logged there. This change however was not the last for my class. When we reached our fourth year at the Academy, the HAF leadership decided that the Icari should pass another stage of training, called the "operational" and this provided for the conversion on the F-84F and for us to trained in air-to-ground weapons tactics only. We were to use all weapons that the F-84F was capable of using and fire these. At some point the HAF leadership finally decided that this was "risky" despite our significant flying experience gathered the previous three years, so we logged at Larissa the amount of hours necessary (50-60) using the T-33 again. These were Canadian built MkIII's, and were used because of their greater weapon carrying capability.

I was sworn in as 2nd Lt. in September of 1972 and was transferred to 111th Fighter Wing at Nea Anchialos. At that time the F-5 was used as an unofficial lead-in-fighter training aircraft for newly commissioned pilots that would then transfer to other aircraft, foremost F-104Gs and F-84Fs (the F-104G-units also had two-seaters). I was appointed to 337th Sqdr. a "Day Interceptor" Sqdr, as was the title and the main task of the unit at the time. We had a secondary fighter-bomber role. The operational conversion training for me along with other four of my classmates that were transferred together with me, started immediately, with ground school for the aircraft systems (it was named KEM) and the classes of flight theory, and by the late 1972 / early 1973 we started flying the F-5, going solo after seven hours if I remember correctly.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic06_epa_f-5a_and_skampardonis.jpg



Young 1st Lt. (HAF) Thomas Scampardonis seen in front of an F-5A, in the 1970s.


After 50 hours flown over a span of four to five month, I was declared operational and took part in all the Sqdr. activities. This happened in early summer of 1973. Time passed quickly as that year was full of events, but I have to say that absolutely nothing warned us of what was about to follow in the summer of 1974. Our relations with Turkey seemed and probably were quite good. No reason for scrambles, interceptions and things like that. Of course as a fighter sqdr we always had readiness, but, as far as I can remember in the one year I was operational in the sqdrn, we did not do one single interception of Turkish aircraft. Significantly, only four months before the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, in April of 1974, we visited the THK air base of Bandirma in a squadron exchange program within the NATO. We remained there for ten days, returning the visit made to us by the Turkish F-5s a few months back. I repeat that nothing but really nothing was indicative of what was about to follow in July and August of 1974.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic07_f-5a_and_skampardonis_to_the_left.jpg



1st Lt. (HAF) Skampardonis (seen to left) together with a colleague from the 111st Fighter Wing at Nea Anchialos AB


Even as of July of 1974, with all that happened in Cyprus, we didn't have readiness or alerts, at least not in the Air Force. This I know because the day of the Turkish invasion I was on leave. That morning I went to the balcony to drink my morning coffee when a neighbor informed me that a general mobilization was ordered. Without believing her I opened the television and got the first glimpse of the situation. I packed my things, said "goodbye" to my wife and took my car to the road for Anchialos AB. This took me many more hours than usual since many parts of the Athens - Lamia freeway were closed, so when I finally arrived at my base it was late in the afternoon.

I was ordered to get into my anti-G suit and done the life vest, and head for the shelter that was assigned to me after a short briefing. The last hours of July 20th passed quietly and from what I am in a position to know there were not any Turkish violations over the Aegean the whole day long.

The next day, however, things would change. From early morning we had massive violations of the Athens FIR by Turkish aircraft. Me and my colleagues were all inside our aircrafts and waited. Our readiness were of five and two minutes, so we were sitting inside the F-5 cockpit with seatbelts on, waiting for the order to scramble. About 13:30, a scramble was sounded and to my surprise, I was in the first pair to take off. My leader was 1st Lt. (HAF) Dinopoulos, senior than me in the sqdr, serving as an instructor. Without having time to think I started both engines, went out of the shelter, and waited a while to be called by my No.1. This did not happen so I went on the frequency calling my No.1. I haven't got any answer so I taxied on the taxiway waiting for Dinopoulos to lead me to the holding point.

When he came to the connection point I was in, with a series of hand signals he explained that he had no radio and could neither transmit nor receive anything. With another signal he told me to lead as No.1 and he would follow watching my moves and covering me as a wingman. 1st Lt. (HAF) Dinopoulos should have aborted and return to his shelter actually. This was what our orders provided for in such cases. He didn't do it however and preferred to take-off without me ever knowing the reason for such a decision. I estimate, without being certain, that weighing the situation he followed the unwritten rule that in times of crisis, even with a malfunction, aircraft always take off one way or another. It was certainly a gutsy decision that showed his level of training and professionalism. I went ahead and did exactly what I used to do in training or regular flights without being anxious about anything.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic02_epa_f-5a_69137.jpg



The first of the two F-5As claimed to have been involved in the incident on 22nd July is the 66-9137, seen here wearing a red line on the fin.


In our briefings we were specifically ordered to have our weapons switches in the Off position and to do nothing more than a visual ID of the bogeys we would meet. We had no briefing that would indicate that we should be ready for all instances. Of course our unit (111st Fighter Wing) was combat ready with all anti-aircraft guns armed, manned and in position, high security measures etc. So before we took off I knew we would fly a typical interception, a procedure done many timed before in peacetime.

I followed the instructions of the Mount Pelion radar station (call-sign "Joker") and we started climbing heading for the North Aegean. Dinopoulos followed from a relative long distance flying always higher than me (I don't know exactly how much) in order to be able to watch my movements and the surrounding area. I always followed Joker's instructions that constantly changed my heading and altitude.

You see, our "targets" were many that day. After two or three such changes of level and heading I was ordered by Joker to head for the area between the islands of Agios Efstratios and Lemnos at a lever of 20000ft. While I was still climbing to about 18000ft with a 350 Knots speed, I was warned by Joker to look for bogeys at 20 degrees right. I turned my attention to that area and almost immediately I saw two Turkish F-102s flying in a tight formation to my left, on a distance no greater than 200 meters. Instinctively and without any delay I stopped climbing, broke hard left and started turning to get behind them. Almost immediately I realized they were doing the same, since I had always visual contact seeing them at my left (8 o'clock). I reported to Joker and to tell you the truth, when I saw them turning behind me I thought they were going to head back east to their base. This, however, did not happen!

They continued turning in order to get at my 'six and this was evident now. I had full throttle and was on maximum turn rate trying to keep visual contact. In this effort my speed dropped to 300 Knots so I gradually started lowering my nose since we met at the same level but they were in a better position, because they were flying level while I broke my climb.

After at least four such turns I reported to Joker that I was engaged and continued turning while descending. At a certain point I lost visual contact but I continued turning and looking out my canopy in order to regain visual. Now I was flying at less than 10000ft and as I was looking in all directions I saw at the rather wavy sea water tower climbing very high and then turning in a big oil spill. Then I realised what happened and turned my attention to Dinopoulos trying to locate him. I asked Joker where he was but got back no specific answer.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic03_epa_f-5a.jpg



The other F-5A involved should have been the 38414, repainted in "Aegean Blue" sheme during the 1980s, and photographed in 1984, in Italy, while on a squadron exchange. According to other sources, the other F-5A from the engagements with THK F-102As was 63-8414, however.


I was ordered to return to Anchialos and a few moments later I was given a vector for a new bogey that was heading also west like me. I followed Joker's instructions but was unable to find him. Visibility was not that good that day. When I landed, Dinopoulos' aircraft passed over the runway. I stopped at the end of the runway and waited for him to join me. I was surprised to see that both his wingtip Sidewinders were missing. Stoping our aircraft at the a**** we got out and before we could say anything to each other we were surrounded by colleagues and technicians asking all kinds of questions. Almost immediately a jeep came and took us away from this pandemonium. We were both questioned separately and returned to our duties. After a while I found out what had happened.

Dinopoulos was following from a distance and being higher was not seen by the two Turkish pilots. He watched all the engagement descending and closing. Before he could do anything he saw the bay of the leader F-102 open and an AIM-4 Phalcon been fired at me. The missile missed since we were both in a tight sustained turn so they were out of parameters. Without been noticed Dinopoulos closed in range. Let me add here that the target was clearly identified visually. As you know the F-5A had no radar. When you had a visual on the target, you turned the weapons switch on, in the ARM position, selecting guns or missiles. At that time we had only the early AIM-9Bs on our F-5A. A lock-on on the target was achieved when after selecting the missile, and after its seeker head was warmed up and establishing a contact with the hot exhaust gas of the target you heard a screeching sound that was sharper as the seeker head was turning closer to the target. Then you were ready to fire. Distance was calculated visualy also through the gunsight. For example, when the surface of the target was covering all the gunsight, you were 1200 meters away; if the surface was covering half the gunsight, distance was also half etc. If I remember correctly the optimal distance for the AIM-9B was about 800 meters. Having these parameters, Dinopoulos turned the weapon switch ON and fired immediately one Sidewinder.

The missile was, however, was not ready yet and lacking the time to "warm-up" - missed. The second Sidewinder in the meantime was ready to fire and gave a loud sound signal. Dinopoulos fired the second missile without hesitation. The missile hit dead-center and he had to brake hard right in order to avoid being hit by the debris of the F-102 that was burning while crashing into the sea.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic08_thk_f-102a_parked.jpg



THK F-102A Delta Dagger seen in the 1970s, and looking the same as the two examples engaged by the Greek fighters on 22nd July 1974.


The same night we learned that in Turkish television it was reported that two Turkish fighters had shot down two Greek ones. The Greek side did not announce (and did not confirm or deny) anything. Long time after that we learned that the second Turkish pilot (we do not know if he was the No.1 or No.2 of their formation) lost his direction probably due to shock. He was panicked, thought that we were on his tail and made extensive and unnecessary use of his afterburner, thus going "bingo fuel" and finally crash landing on a highway. His aircraft was destroyed and he died of his injuries later at the hospital.

We also learned that the Turkish pilots were probably high ranking ones and we got word that the leader was a Lt. Colonel, and his wingman a Major. After this, nothing happened: there were no news. We returned to normal pace and the Turks did not show up over the Aegean even at the second phase of the Cyprus invasion in August 1974. What changed that day was that from now on Greek fighters always took off with the weapons switches in the ON position and that the Turks did not show up over the Aegean for years. And when I say years, I mean years. From what I am in a position to know, their first hesitant attempts to fly over the area were done in 1976 - 1977.

Many years later I was serving in Naples, at Air-South Command, when a Turkish pilot approached me and we started to talk. When he stared to tell me about the capabilities of his country's Air Force, he mentioned that the Turkish F-102's shot down two Greek F-5's. When I asked him if I look like a zombie he changed colour. I have never seen a more embarrassed man in my life... "


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pic04_epa_f-5a_pilot_scampardonis.jpg


Brig. Gen. Thomas Skampardonis describing the head-on pass during the engagement with two THK F-102As while bieng interviewed by Demetrius Stergiou.


Even if some say that the Greek pilots involved in this incident were mistreated by HAF General Staff, and were not given the proper promotions, Thomas Skamparthonis denied this strongly. He did not deny however that both he and Dinopoulos were not given any medal or commendation for their combat. From our point of view we believe that not going public and recognizing this incident is not the right way, especially since the Turkish side still claims - foremost through the internet that their F-102s shot down the Greek F-5's!

That the "other side" has always maintained an affection for propaganda and winning the last impression, is well known, even if some Greeks in key positions cannot or are not willing to understand it. It is almost certain that the same tactic will be continued in the future. Is it not time for HAF to end its silence and state the facts? Twenty seven years have passed and we believe this should be done soon!

The AIM-4 carried by the Turkish F-102's were probably of the D version, fielded in 1963 for use against fighter aircraft. However, we can only be sure that the missile was practically useless in air combat within the visual distances, especially under the specific conditions that the Turkish pilot used it in: sustained turn at maximum degrees and high G's. It is certain that despite the improvements of this version, kinetically it was almost the same missile as the C version, intended for use against the Soviet bombers, not in manoeuvring combat against enemy fighters.

The date has been confirmed by numerous other HAF pilots who were in the air that day, especially 339th Mira F-4E pilots, Air Vice Marshalls (Ret.):
Air Vice Marshall (HAF Ret.) Panagiotis Mpalles
Air Vice Marshall (HAF Ret.) Stephanos Skrekas,
Air Vice Marshall (HAF Ret.) George Skarlatos,
Air Vice Marshall (HAF Ret.) Panagiotis Manousos,
Member of Parliament, Minister of Defence and Colonel (HAF Ret.) Spilios Spiliotopoulos.Also we have the report by the then Colonel (HAF) P. Semertzakis who studied all official HAF reports during the invasion of Cyprus and was submitted in December 1974 to the PA General Staff, and which analysed all aspects of the aerial operations. The Greek MoD George Averoff, member of the civilian Government that lead the Country to free democratic elections in the fall of 1974, during his meeting with State Departments Undersecretary of State Hartman, also mentioned the 22nd July as the date of this engagement.

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 03:29 PM
Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage 2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.


Semadirek is Turkish for Samothraki.My friend Skyth, as I explained before and according the known sources, no HAF Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) ever been shotdown (or forced to crash) by THK aircrafts, especialy near Samothraki island (which is Greek island)! To tell you the truth no HAF Mirage 2000 ever crashed (for ANY reason) close to Samothraki island. I don't know why you claim that on 10th October 1996 a Greek Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) crashed close to Samothraki.

I propose to click HERE (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/anouncement/press/startup.html) to get a link (sorry only in Greek language for the moment) where you can get the official catalog with ALL the HAF casualities, major fatal accidents and pilot losses since 1980 until our days (2006). I copied that to present it for MP member might be interested on this spesific point:


2006


Dassault Mirage 2000 14/04/2006


2004


Lockheed Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon 14/10/2004
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 16/06/2004



2003


PZL Okecie M-18BS Dromader 25/08/2003


2002


Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 27/06/2002


2000


Lockheed Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon 13/11/2000
PZL Okecie M-18BS Dromader 08/08/2000
Bombardier Canadair CL-215 15/07/2000
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 18/05/2000
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 17/05/2000
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 17/01/2000



1999


Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 05/07/1999


1998


Dassault Mirage 2000 04/11/1998
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 20/08/1998
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 13/08/1998


1997


Lockheed C-130 Hercules 20/12/1997
Dassault Mirage 2000 30/09/1997
Lockheed Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon 23/09/1997
Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 28/07/1997


1996


Vought T-2E Buckeye 24/06/1996
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 10/01/1996


1995


Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 01/02/1995
Northrop F-5B Freedom Fighter 01/02/1995


1994


Dassault Mirage F-1CG 07/11/1994


1993


Bombardier Canadair CL-215 22/08/1993


1992


Lockheed Martin F-16C Fighting Falcon 26/11/1992
Dassault Mirage F-1CG 18/06/1992
Grumman HU-16B ASW 23/01/1992
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 07/01/1992


1991


Douglas C-47 Dakota Mk IV 27/12/1991
Lockheed T-37 Tweety Bird 04/06/1991
Lockheed C-130 Hercules 05/02/1991


1990


Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 07/03/1990


1989


Agusta Bell AB-205 10/05/1989
Lockheed T-33A Shooting Star 07/03/1989


1988


Northrop RF-5A Freedom Fighter 14/09/1988
Dassault Mirage F-1CG 10/02/1988


1987


Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 16/12/1987
Lockheed F-104G Starfighter 23/09/1987
Agusta Bell AB-205 26/07/1987
Mc Donnell Douglas RF-4E Phantom II 07/05/1987
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 22/01/1987


1986


Grumman G-164 AgCat 02/10/1986


1985


Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 11/09/1985
Mc Donnell Douglas RF-4E Phantom II 11/07/1985
Lockheed T-33A Shooting Star 05/04/1985


1984


Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 10/05/1984
Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 02/05/1984
Bombardier Canadair CL-215 09/03/1984


1983


Northrop F-5A Freedom Fighter 14/09/1983
Vought T-2E Buckeye 28/07/1983
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 08/07/1983
Dassault Mirage F-1CG 26/04/1983


1982


Mc Donnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II 15/12/1982
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 23/07/1982
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 29/06/1982


1981


Lockheed T-33A Shooting Star 18/12/1981
Dassault Mirage F-1CG 18/11/1981
Vought LTV A-7 Corsair II 13/08/1981


1980


Dassault Mirage F-1CG 06/06/1980
Northrop RF-5A Freedom Fighter 23/05/1980
Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter 15/04/1980
Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter 15/01/1980As we all can see, there is no HAF Dassault Mirage 2000 loss on 10th October 1996, or any other date in 1996.



Skyth,

After some internet search, I found a related topic on f-16.net (http://www.f-16.net) about the THK F-16 shot down by a HAF Mirage 2000 (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg) and ANY possible Turkish revenge action, two days later as you claim). I copy & paste the text as presented into f-16.net (http://www.f-16.net/) source:

"...4 Turkish F-4Es from 112 Seytan filo based in Eskisehir (http://www.futura-dtp.dk/Flysiden/Baser/Tyrkiet.htm) was on CAP training mission over Aegean. As usual, 2 Greek Mirage 2000s took off from their forward base (http://www.futura-dtp.dk/Flysiden/Baser/Grakenland.htm) and turned towards F-4Es.


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/thk_f-4e_terminator_001_001.jpg

At the same time, another 2 Turkish F-16s (one C and one D) were on a training mission near F-4Es too and "were not armed" that time. the Turkish ground controller directed these 2 F-16s towards Greek Mirage 2000s to intercept them before the Mirage 2000s reach F-4Es. As usual, 2 side merged and dogfight started, little later it turn to 1 on 1 engagement. The Turkish F-16D piloted by Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) engaged with 1st Lt (HAF) Thanasis Grivas. The back seater in Turkish F-16D was Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) just returned from 2 years of military attache duty in UK and was in refresher trainig with squadron IP Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg). After trying to gain advantage on each other, in a head on pass, Grivas fired a Magic II and shot F-16D. It caused an explosion and put F-16D in fire ball. Force of the explosion forced Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) out of cockpit without pulling ejection handle, Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) did not have time to eject and was probably killed instantly. The F-16D crashed 10 miles off Chios island (Greek area) and Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) rescued by Greek SAR helo. Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) was in a shock after the incident and did not talk to Greeks too much. Strangely, Greeks thought he can not be Turkish since he speaks good English, someone (HAF officers) in Greece claimed he could be a IDF pilot in squadron exchange program. This whole incident went to AFM and discussed several times in the past. After Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) returned to Turkey, he said that 1st Lt (HAF) Thanasis Grivas visited him in the hospital. Greeks claimed that F-16D was violating Greek air space and 1st Lt (HAF) Thanasis Grivas have had right to fire. But air space violations are two sided, sometimes HAF also violates Turkish national air space. It happened in the past and it can happen in the future too. IF ROE is applied, every single interception can turn bloody and each side can fire... but fortunatley this did not happened in the past, will not happen in the future too. Usual encounters in Aegean are just to show off pilot skills to other side and go home..."


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/epa_mirage_2000egm_220_002.jpg
Mirage 2000EGM s/n "220" is said to have been the example used to shot down a THK F-16D in October 1996. There are rumours that the aircraft wore some kind of a kill marking for some time, but these were never entirely confirmed.



http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/thk_f-16_intercepted_by_epa_m2000.jpg

Turkish F-16C as seen through the HUD of a Greek Mirage 2000EGM


According some Turk f-16.net (http://www.f-16.net/) members, the following article was published into the Turkish Daily News Online link HERE (http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/05_30_03/for.htm), but I could not finaly manage to make the link open and read the article directly from the Turkish Daily News Online - so I cannot confirm the source. I copy & paste the text written by Turk f-16.net (http://www.f-16.net/) member:

"...The Turkish F-16 crash in the Aegean on Oct. 8 1996 in which Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) was martyred while Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) survived the crash, resulted from a dogfight. The incident was covered up. The Turkish General Staff announced that the plane had crashed during a training flight. Two days later it was announced that a Mirage 2000 warplane belonging to the Greek Air Force crashed in the Aegean. Reportedly, the Greek warplane was shot down by a Turkish warplane in reprisal for this incident..."

While searching on Turks.us, I found the following article which is also published HERE (http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20040304083228294):

"...The family of a Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) who was killed in a dog fight in the Aegean Sea, sued Athens, at the European Court for Human Rights. Pilot Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) was killed in a F-16 during the flight over the Aegean on 8 October 1996. The petition of his family to the ECHR has been accepted by the court. The family of Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) demanded 625 thousand Euro as compensation and 4 million Euro to find the body of the young man. Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg) was killed in a dog fight with Greek fighters while Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) survived. Years later, a Greek magazine wrote that the incident was not an accident and the Greek Mirage aircraft had hit and downed the Turkish war plane, with missiles. The ECHR which accepted the petition gave a time to both sides to furnish their evidence. The Attorney of the Erdogan family, Mehmet Emin Keles said that they had petitioned to ECHR against the pilot of the Mirage, Thanos Grivas, that downed the Turkish aircraft on grounds of “Murder”, because “He took a live when there was no state of war.” Last May, Greek Karma magazine had revealed the death of the Turkish pilot by a Greek missile. The evidence furnished by the Turkish family at the case at ECHR, was a picture printed by the Greek magazine, which showed that the Greek Mirage which downed the Turkish aircraft, had a small picture of a Turkish flag at its nose, showing that it had downed the Turkish aircraft...."

This is what was written on Greek news about the incident. Found HERE (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_1448226_30/05/2003_30213):

"...Family of ‘downed’ Turk to sue. ANKARA (AFP) - Relatives of a Turkish air force pilot killed in 1996 when his jet was lost over the Aegean Sea want compensation from Greece, which they accuse of downing the plane, the family’s lawyer said yesterday. On October 8, 1996, Turkey announced the loss of an F-16 during an Aegean training mission, in what Ankara said was international air space north of Samos. One of the pilots managed to eject and was rescued, but the other, Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg), 35, was killed. The Turkish Milliyet daily recently quoted a former air force chief, General Ahmet Corekci, as saying the plane was downed by a missile fired by a Greek fighter. Athens has denied this. 'The right to life was violated... to obtain moral and material compensation we shall shortly be bringing an action against Greece' before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, Mehmet Emin Keles told AFP. He said the suit would also seek recovery of Erdogan’s plane and body from the sea. Yesterday, Turkish press reports said Erdogan’s family would be asking for 2 trillion Turkish liras (just over a million euros) in compensation...."

According to the nowdays FACTS and DATA, there was not any possible Mirage 2000 shot down after the Oct. 8th 1996 incident. It seems like a rumours spread out by some Turkish newspapers in order to compensate Turkish public's appetite for retaliation, which reminds me EXACTLY the same fake Turkish reactions after the Turkish F-102s shooting down incident on 22nd July 1974 as described in message #115 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652850&postcount=115) before. I copy & paste the specific Brigadier General Thomas Skamparthonis interview parts again, in order to remind:

"...The same night we learned that in Turkish television it was reported that two Turkish fighters had shot down two Greek ones..."

and

"...many years later I was serving in Naples, at AirSouth Command, when a Turkish pilot approached me and we started to talk. When he stared to tell me about the capabilities of his country's Air Force, he mentioned that the Turkish F-102's shot down two Greek F-5's. When I asked him if I look like a zombie he changed colour. I have never seen a more embarrassed man in my life..."



On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.
On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile fired on purpose.
Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.Well, according all the above stories (including the HAF F-5s vs THK Turkish F-102s described in message #115 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652850&postcount=115), THK F-16 vs HAF Mirage F-1CG described in message #104 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652628&postcount=104), HAF Mirage 2000 vs THK F-16 described into the present message) the way I see it, is that HAF may spend some money on firing the GAR8 missiles but this aerial madness cost THK a little more while lost more money by loosing more aircrafts and pilots.


The most important is that HUMAN LIFES are lost both sides... and this is not wise!

Kontra1
05-11-2006, 04:35 PM
Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204), thanks for posting. You are very welcome into HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) topic. To tell you the truth I was wondering why you didn't post any pics or comments so long. :) Please allow me to answer on your kind questions / statements, one by one:

Thanks for the welcome ;)


NOBODY denies the 1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) event. But I think that you are not informed as well as you should. First of all, it happened on 18th June 1992 (not 12th June 1992 as you said). The [FONT=Verdana]1st Lt. (HAF) Nick Sialmas (http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/sialmas/Copy_of_sialmas.jpg) event, was NOT a reaction of any THK aircraft loss. It happened after a very long period of time where both AFs had only "virtual" wins and no real casualities - that's for sure! You can get a full detailed "air-to-air victories" catalog by clicking HERE (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_299.shtml)

Niko..this is the second time you do this...you quote the things I havent said and this kind of makes me loose my interest in respoding your posts more seriously.You see.... I don't see any any dates in my own post, yet you claim that I gave a date and give the 12 June 1992.:roll: All I said was "According my sources, 1996 shooting down of a THK F-16(Oct.8 1996) was followed by crashing down of a Greek Mirage(some sources indicates it's a F1 some Mirage2000) only two days after(Oct. 10th) our F-16 incident during a another one of those dogfights...so even the pilot's name can be mixed up since all kept secret for the sake of the peace between the two countries and went down to HAF's files as "accident"

All this was brought up recently in that Greek magasine "Krama" by the Greek journalist I've mentioned before(I think he's the owner of the paper)

I also tried to read the rest of your copy/paste post..like I say "I tried" because it's pure Greek propaganda and not objective at all.

So, although my response to your propaganda will be an copy/paste post also, at least it is from a a lot more objective and logical source...not emotional propaganda source like yours. I'm sure any right minded person will see the difference between a propaganda and the international understandings and rules and make their own conclutions(of course greeks can be kept out of this expectation) I Know you and other greeks will defend you have the right to do this now according to the most recent LOS convention, but so far all the greeks I've exchanged conversation with regarding this matter, fail to mention the special exceptions on the same convention that applies to situations such as we have in the Aegean sea.

The expansion of the Greek territorial sea to 12-nm will pose a threat to the freedom of navigation currently enjoyed in the Aegean Sea. An expanded Greek territorial sea will convert approximately 70% of the Aegean to Greek territorial seas. Under the regime established by the LOS Convention, Greece believes it has the authority to regulate the application of transit passage through the Aegean, including designation of the international straits through with the right of transit passage will apply. Other waters, in Greek eyes are territorial seas in which the more limited right of innocent passage would apply. This would end overflight and submerged passage throughout the Aegean. Such a declaration will not be accepted by the maritime nations of the world, especially Turkey. Greek enforcement of that declaration is likely to splinter NATO, bring Greece and Turkey into conflict, and cause the U.S. to bring our national power to bear to keep the navigational freedoms envisioned by the LOS Convention available.

http://www.stormingmedia.us/86/8633/A863393.html

Also another objective explanation of the Kardak situation.

Imia-Kardak crisis
The Imia-Kardak crisis was a conflict that arose between Turkey and Greece in the Aegean Sea in 1996. Kardak Rocks (Imia in Greek, sometimes referred to as İkizce in Turkish) are two tiny islets that lie in the Aegean Sea, 3.8 nautical miles (about 7 km) off the Mugla Province, on the southwestern coast of Turkey, and 5.5 nautical miles (about 10 km) off the Greek island of Kalymnos. Their total surface area is 10 acres (about 40,000 m2).
Overview
A Turkish bulk carrier ran ashore the Kardak/Imia rocks on 25 December, 1995. As the maritime boundary between Turkey and Greece has never been thoroughly defined, during the salvage operations of the ship, the sovereignty issue over these islets arose. This issue had not been discussed at any time in either the Greek or Turkish media, or had never been a matter of dispute in the sometimes tender political climate between these countries earlier.
The event was not known to either the Greek or the Turkish public until a month later, when the Greek periodical GRAMMA ran a story on 20 January, 1996, one day after Costas Simitis was appointed to form the new Greek government as prime minister. The article brought severe reaction from the Greek press, which was followed by the mayor of Kalymnos and a priest hoisting up a Greek flag on the rocks on 26 January, which held no man-made constructions. As opposed to this action, some Turkish journalists and TV anchors flew to the islet with a helicopter and raised a Turkish flag, bringing down the Greek one, the whole events being broadcast live on Turkish television stations. In 24 hours, by 30 January, the Greek navy changed the flag, which resulted in exchange of fierce statements lead by the Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller and the Greek Prime Minister Simitis. A Greek helicopter crashed (some speculating due to Turkish fire), but this was concealed by both states http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/pdf/Greek-Turkish-Media.PDF to prevent further escalation. Turkish and Greek naval forces were alerted and warships of both countries, both NATO members, sailed to the islets.

Read the rest here:

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Imia-Kardak_crisis

P.S. The last time we disgussed the Cyprus situation over here the thread got locked b/o you guys...I see you've spread the propaganda about it here and there in yor posts, but if you promise us you'll be able to handle the truth about it, I can definetely start posting my responses to your claims...OK ;)

Nick_Karatzides
05-11-2006, 05:45 PM
Niko..this is the second time you do this...you quote the things I havent said and this kind of makes me loose my interest in respoding your posts more seriously. You see.... I don't see any any dates in my own post, yet you claim that I gave a date and give the 12 June 1992.Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204), you are right. I apologise for this "wrong date" misunderstanding. I should speak to Skyth (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=12940) (banned user?) who claimed the 12nd June 1992 date instead of the 18th June 1992.






All this was brought up recently in that Greek magazine "Krama" by the Greek journalist I've mentioned before(I think he's the owner of the paper)As I said before, I REALLY don't know this Greek magazine named "Krama". Never seen it before! Mr. Panos Kolyopanos who seems to be the author, is also not known to me. When did this magazine (Krama) ran this article about the HAF Mirage 2000 vs THK F-16 event? Is it possible scan a copy for me and send the page? I ask again: Does ANY Greek reading here know the magazine "Krama" or Mr. Panos Kolyopanos? If yes, please respond. Seems quite strange to me that I couldn't find anything about him after an internet search (http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=Panos+Kolyopanos&kgs=0&kls=0) (except some texs written in Turkish language). Who is that guy and what is that magazine after all?






I also tried to read the rest of your copy/paste post..like I say "I tried" because it's pure Greek propaganda and not objective at all.As I told many times before (makes me loose my interest in respoding your posts more seriously), propaganda is NOT my way and I'm trying NOT to do! I like seeing the things thay way they ARE (not seem or appear to), with clear DATA and strong FACTS. I tried to copy & paste text from openminded, non - propaganda links that seem (so far) to establish serious History and politics analyzing. So, what EXACTLY is the point which is not OK with you?






The expansion of the Greek territorial sea to 12-nm will pose a threat to the freedom of navigation currently enjoyed in the Aegean Sea. An expanded Greek territorial sea will convert approximately 70% of the Aegean to Greek territorial seas. Under the regime established by the LOS Convention, Greece believes it has the authority to regulate the application of transit passage through the Aegean, including designation of the international straits through with the right of transit passage will apply. Other waters, in Greek eyes are territorial seas in which the more limited right of innocent passage would apply. This would end overflight and submerged passage throughout the Aegean. Such a declaration will not be accepted by the maritime nations of the world, especially Turkey. Greek enforcement of that declaration is likely to splinter NATO, bring Greece and Turkey into conflict, and cause the U.S. to bring our national power to bear to keep the navigational freedoms envisioned by the LOS Convention available.


http://www.stormingmedia.us/86/8633/A863393.html
Understood! It's obvious. I can clearly see the reasons that Turkish worries. I would be worried too if I was a Turk and I would fight against it too. But... what is the conection with the subject we are discusing? Did I ever said something else? No! As I said before, Greece has this strange shape, and it's east border with Turkey is currently the Aegean islands, the Dodecanese are a few of them. These remote islands are closer to the Turkish coast compared to the Greek main land. This is not strange, because the west Turkish coast of Asia Minor was inhabited by Greeks. These islands is what remains of the original Greek boarders. The Turks were in all their history impotent in the naval fight for that reason all the Aegean sea is Greek. Yet in the recent years there was oil found in the Aegean sea, since 1974 Turkey started being interested in the Aegean sea. The new claim Turkey raised was that the islands do not have a continental plate, therefore the Aegean oil is Turkish regardless the fact that all the islands in the Aegean sea are Greek. In other words the Greek islands lay on a Turkish continental plate, or the oil of the north sea does not belong partly to England and Scotland, because Great Britain is an island! Moreover according to the law about the sea of 1982, the territorial waters expanded form 10 to 12 miles. This means that Turkey will be blocked by the numerous Greek islands, and the Turks will need the Greek license to exit in the Mediterranean. For that reason Turkey stated that if Greece extends its sea borders to 12 miles, it will be an act of war. Greece until recently have not extended it's territorial waters, but it will do so in the future, therefore Turkey is interested in occupying some Greek islands in order to maintain the exit to the Mediterranean.






Imia-Kardak crisis: The Imia-Kardak crisis was a conflict that arose between Turkey and Greece in the Aegean Sea in 1996. Kardak Rocks (Imia in Greek, sometimes referred to as İkizce in Turkish) are two tiny islets that lie in the Aegean Sea, 3.8 nautical miles (about 7 km) off the Mugla Province, on the southwestern coast of Turkey, and 5.5 nautical miles (about 10 km) off the Greek island of Kalymnos. Their total surface area is 10 acres (about 40,000 m2).Correct, so far. Already said the same things into my message, so I don't stay more on these geography lessons.






As the maritime boundary between Turkey and Greece has never been thoroughly defined, during the salvage operations of the ship, the sovereignty issue over these islets arose.Wrong! Here we go again.


The maritime boundaries between Greece and Turkey are VERY CLEARLY defined! Any reason to deny these both side agreed boundaries?


The maritime boundaries between Greece and Turkey had been VERY CLEARLY defined by the based on 1947 Dodecanese convention (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html#1) and the 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html) documents signed by all nations after WWII. These documents are the living proof. These islands, as you can see on this official US Navy map (http://www.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/%7Epkaval/imia/imia.jpg), are within the boundaries of the Greek State and (as said before into my previous messages) it would be interesting to note that the official maps of the Italian, the British and the US Navy include the isle of Imia to the Greek territory. Even the official Turkish maps (which was last updated in 1953) does NOT include the isle in Turkey.






The mayor of Kalymnos and a priest hoist up a Greek flag on the rocks on 26 January, which held no man-made constructions. As opposed to this action, some Turkish journalists and TV anchors flew to the islet with a helicopter and raised a Turkish flag, bringing down the Greek one, the whole events being broadcast live on Turkish television stations.Please Kontra1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=9204). Please tell me the truth. Do you REALLY believe these excuses? Do you? Even if (sci-fi scenario) a mayor and a priest hoist up a Greek flag on the rocks of a Greek island witout man-made constructions... is that a reason to "send" some Turkish "journalists" and TV anchors to the islet with a helicopter and raised a Turkish flag, bringing down the Greek (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/response.jpg) one while broadcasting live on Turkish television stations? You may know that Greece has MORE than 3500 islands into the Aegean sea - some of them much smaller than Imia. It is imposible to raise a flag 24/7/365 on all of them! Why this specific "interest" for this specific isle? Is it the isle? No... no, it's something more.






In 24 hours, by 30 January, the Greek Navy changed the flagI'm sure that Turkish Naval forces would do exactly the same (the should do), if "somebody" - especialy a citizen "journalist (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/response.jpg)" - would bringing down the Turkish flag from a Turkish land, from a Turkish territory accepted by ALL nations, while broadcasting live on Greek TV. I remember a very well known incident (http://www.hr-action.org/chr/solomon.html) happened only few years before, where "someone (http://www.hr-action.org/chr/akin1.jpg)" SHOOT & KILL (http://www.hr-action.org/chr/akin2.jpg) "someone else (http://www.hr-action.org/chr/pict3.gif)" just because he tried to climb on the Turkish flag mast and take it down, into Turkish territory. I'm very sure you understand very well what I'm talking about and how SERIOUS is to see your national flag while bringing down by the "other side (http://www.hr-action.org/chr/Aktuel103196.html)".

The Greek thesis is:
Greece claims that the meeting minutes of the Ankara convention should be considered having the force of a treaty, and a reference to Imia rocks made in one of these minutes is in effect.
The Greek thesis also asserts that the Imia rocks are linked to the Dodecanese chain (that they were adjacent islets), and were ceded by Turkey to Greece through Italy with the respective treaties.
According to Greece, Imia rocks have existed within its administrative structure since 1948 (Greek law dated 1948, no. 547), they have been included in the Greek territory in both Greek and international maps with the names Limnia or Imia since then, and that Turkey has not disputed these until 1995.The Turkish thesis is:
Turkey denies the Greek thesis as "unacceptable" and claims that the relevant minutes referencing to the Imia rocks were not signed, as opposed to the other minutes, and therefore they do not have the force of a treaty.
Turkey also insists that the islands ceded to Italy with the 1932 Dodecanese treaty were explicitly mentioned by name, and did not include the disputed rocks.
Turkey claims that the maps with Limnia/Imia depicted as Kardak rocks merely stand as Greek propaganda and that international maps showing the rocks to be under Turkish sovereignty and with their Turkish name also exist.I can surely understand that expansion of the Greek territorial sea to 12-nm will pose a very serious threat for the Turkish interests. It is your job to consider it and worry about, but it's also obvious that these incidents (for example Imia crisis) never happened just because of some TV "journalists". As a conclusion, the Greeks are accepting the Imia islands as GREEK only under the facts stated on international or Greece / Turkey both signed conventions (like the 1947 Dodecanese convention (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/node5.html#1) and the 1932 convention between Italy and Turkey (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html?http://oldeee.see.ed.ac.uk/%7Ekap/Aegean/mypage/treaty.html)). On the other Turkish side keeps denying the signed papers and documents. Still believe in the same old "Greek propaganda" excuse too?

So, considering that this is a HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) topic, I would like to see your "in action" HAF pics or your kind comments about the above stories (including the HAF F-5s vs THK Turkish F-102s described in message #115 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652850&postcount=115), THK F-16 vs HAF Mirage F-1CG described in message #104 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652628&postcount=104), HAF Mirage 2000 vs THK F-16 described into the #116 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1653117&postcount=116) message).

DeathForSale
05-11-2006, 05:49 PM
Great picture brothers keep it up!

Don't worry about Scyth the Turk he's been banned for life.

saladin
05-11-2006, 08:59 PM
Sure! Well it's not good pics but these unlucky THK pilots finaly survived after invading into Greek national airspace and shot down by HAF fighters. They finaly got all the needed medical treatment in Greek hospitals after beeing rescued by Greek SAR helicopters. I hope they are good in their health and still flying.

I thought the instructor pilot was an Israeli. You know Turks do not have any good intructors so they import them. But you see, I don't know how to believe you guys any more. Until a few months ago, all the greeks were agreeing that the pilot in the picture was an Israeli. Now did he turn out the be a Turk after all?

Also, could some body let me know the first rule of the air engagements. I tthought it was to shoot first and kill first.

Lets imagine a scenerio, GoodGuyOne and GoodGuyTwo are against BadGuyAlpha and BadGuyBeta. Both GoodGuys are at their opponents' six. In real war, they shoot and they kill. HUD pictures from BadGuys show the bottom of the Agean sea. In a simulated dog fight, both GoodGuys engage their enemies as they did in the real war, but they don't have the means to kill them this time. What happens next? BadGuyBeta goes to the six of GoodGuyOne which is following BadGuyAlpha. The results? The HUD pictures all over the internet showing that BadGuys had a kill. The moral of the story, never believe propoganda pictures.

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 04:24 AM
My friend saladin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=11900), I think that you are a little confused.






You know Turks do not have any good intructors so they import them.I ensure you that THK has plenty of very capable and talented pilots. I'm sure that they do not need to import intructor pilots from Israel or elsewhere.






I thought the instructor pilot was an Israeli.Didn't you read the HAF Mirage 2000 vs THK F-16 story review as described into the #116 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1653117&postcount=116) message? Read again and you'll find out! Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) (100% Turk - NOT Israeli) was the Turkish F-16D back seater. He had just returned from 2 years of military attache duty in UK and was in refresher trainig with squadron IP Captain Nail Erdogan (http://www.tayyareci.com/hvsehitleri/cilt3-1966-98/1994-yyy/sehitlerc0328.jpg). So, he was not the instructor pilot too!






Until a few months ago, all the greeks were agreeing that the pilot in the picture was an Israeli. Now did he turn out the be a Turk after all?Should I remind you that Col Cemil Cicekli (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1041/f16shoot15de.jpg) had been ejected throw an exploding aircraft? Can you imagine the moment? Obviously, he was in a great shock after the incident and did not talk to Greeks too much. Strangely, Greeks thought he can not be Turkish since he speaks good English. Someone (HAF officers) in Greece claimed he might be a IDF pilot in squadron exchange program. Simple as that!






Lets imagine a scenerio, GoodGuyOne and GoodGuyTwo are against BadGuyAlpha and BadGuyBeta. Both GoodGuys are at their opponents' six. In real war, they shoot and they kill. HUD pictures from BadGuys show the bottom of the Agean sea. In a simulated dog fight, both GoodGuys engage their enemies as they did in the real war, but they don't have the means to kill them this time. What happens next? BadGuyBeta goes to the six of GoodGuyOne which is following BadGuyAlpha. The results? The HUD pictures all over the internet showing that BadGuys had a kill. The moral of the story, never believe propoganda pictures.I'm disoriented with too much "Good and Badguys" (WTF is "good" and who is "bad" after all?) and all these "Alpha - Beta and Charlie" things.



Man! This topic is for HAF pics and stories... remember? We have already analyze (as we could) some things, but no need to go further into the present topic. If we should, then we might become Foreign Affairs ministers.

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 10:52 AM
pictures captured from arnhem.freeserve.co.uk (http://www.arnhem.freeserve.co.uk/Greek/greekaf.htm)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgesot.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgf4.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgekeat.gif (file:///D:/WORKBACKUP/WEBPAGES/wings/oldies.html)

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 11:14 AM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 11:24 AM
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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 12:10 PM
Copied from HERE (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_429.shtml)


Hellenic Air Force 341st Sqd
participation in TLP 2004-2


Written by Nick Tselepidis


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The Hellenic Air Force usually takes part in the second and fourth TLP sessions each year, out of the 6 in total. On year 2004, in TLP 2004-2, 341st Mira (Squadron) sent its F-16 Block 50's to take part in NATO's Tactical Leadership Program. The Squadrons main role is SEAD with Air Defence as a secondary role. In the particular Aegean environment however, with THK a/c challenging the legal status quo, all HAF Squadrons that have Air Defence as a "secondary" role, in fact are much more efficient in it than Air Defence Squadrons from other countries, who do not have to provide QRA deployments with two to five minutes readiness "24/7" under "peacetime" conditions: with other words, the peace-time conditions of Hellenic units are not different than "wartime", except that weapons are not fired (at least not most of the time anyway!).

341st Mira (Squadron) being assigned by the Hellenic Air Force General Staff as part of NATO's Rapid Reaction Force, has been evaluated by NATO and is under constant review by the HAF General Staff. Its pilots take part in air-air refueling exercises, night and day, with Tankers from allied countries.




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341st Mira (Squadron) callsign "Velos" ("Arrow", former callsign "Ace") was founded on July 1954 in Elefsis and operated with CL-13A Mk.II's (Canadian made F-86E/M) Sabres. From August 1957 until September 1964 the unit provided the second acroteam in Greek Air Force history: the "Hellenic Flame". It's Leader was then 341st CO Captain (HAF) E. Tsamousopoulos and its original members included 1st Lieutenants (HAF) A. Frangopanagos and K. Adam and 2nd Lieutenants (HAF) F. Kollias and N. Patiris. Until 1960 the unit was stationed in Nea Anchialos and Tanagra, before returning to its current home: 111st Fighter Wing at Nea Anchialos. In July 1965 the first F-5A/B's were received and replaced the Sabres. During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus on July 1974 the F-5's were dispersed in various airfields around the country and one pair that scrambled from Heraklion on July 20 1974 witn Pantelis Mitsainas as leader and Socrates Tsouras as wingman, intercepted 2 US Navy F-4J's. When they approached at 3 - 4 nautical miles the Phantoms assumed attack positions and they split. This resulted in two 1 vs 1 engagements. While the first pair disengaged soon, Mitsainas after calling in that he was under fire, assumed a target solution twice and requested clearence to return fire. He was ordered to disengage and when he landed in Heraklion he was bingo fuel and his engines switched off when he was taxiing. The F-5's remained in service until August 1993 when 341st Sqdr disbanded and its aircrafts went to 343rd Sqdr in Mikra Macedonia, which was the last unit to retire its F-5's in 2001. On 30 March 1998 it was reactivated in order to receive the second batch of Peace Xenia II F-16C/D Block 50's and assumed SEAD as its main role, while it was assigned by the General Staff to the NATO Rapid Reaction Force.

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 12:30 PM
Copied from HERE (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_544.shtml)


Hellenic Air Force 337th Sqd
Pharewell to Phantoms...


Written by Nick Tselepidis

Phantom Pharewell... On Friday the 16th of December 2005, at Larisa Air Base, home of the 110th Fighter Wing, the retirement ceremony for the Phantom II SRA's took place, and ACIG was there! This does not mean that all the Phantom II's of the Hellenic Air Force were retired: The Upgraded Peace Icarus 2000s (F-4E AUP) will remain in service at least until 2015, while the RF-4Es will be retired next, around 2009... The Phantom II SRA's however (Southern Region Agreement) that were delivered from US ANG in 1991 and that are fiscal year '67 and '68 machines, were "officially" retired on Friday the 16th of December, since they were not upgraded. "Unofficially" however they will keep flying for several months to come!


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At the entrance of 337th Sqdr, the Spook bows out painted in the tail of T-33A "TR-561"...





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Inside the Squadron building Spook greets his guests surrounded by the photos of the Squadron's pilots.







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The Chief of the 7th CAOC, Tactical Air Force Commander Lt.General Yiagkos Ioannis (left) talks to the HAF CO Lt.General Avlonitis Georgios (in the middle wearing the flight suit) while 110 FW CO Col. Diamantidis Christos is on the right.





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In the briefing room of 337 Mira, the MoD Spilios Spiliotopoulos (one of the original HAF Phantom pilots that brought the Phantoms from Homestead in April 1974 and who was in CAP when the THK F-102A was shot down by the HAF F-5A during the Cyprus invasion later that summer), and HAF CO Lt.General Avlonitis Georgios, are briefed before their flight.





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With the MoD as backseater and 337 Mira XO Lt.Colonel Kouroumanis Nikolaos in the front seat, F-4E SRA "68-506" wearing the special anniversary scheme, is just about to start taxiing for take off.





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F-4E SRA "67-381" is taxiing to take off as part of the 4 ship formation.





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On the static display at the ceremony, the oldest Greek Phantom, "67-0345" was displayed.





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With one pilot and one technician as honour guard.





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337 Mira CO Lt.Colonel Theodore Syrmos is about to start reading the Order of the day.





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One of the several flyby's by the 4 ship formation having the Greek MoD and HAF CO as backseaters.





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"68-506" has just landed and is taxiing to the ceremony.





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Followed by "68-424" a few details of which we will see in a while.





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337 personnel is lined up in front of the Phantom SRA's.





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"68-0481" was the third SRA taking part in the flyby...





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While as you can see here, "68-402" was the fourth one.





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"68-506" seen from the back as the cremony is proceeding.





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"68-424" is unique in the HAF for having a single piece windscreen. This was developped by McDonnell Douglas as part of the "Super Phantom" project.





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Here wee see the underside with the 2 front Sparrow nests and the nose gear of ex Missouri ANG "68-424".





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While inside the fronseat cockpit we see the helmet with its interesting artwork...





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After the ceremony has ended and the guests have departed, the technicians begin their work...





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The special patch for the retirement of the SRA's was worn by all 337 personel... Spook is all in tears...





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"Antio file..." (Goodbye my friend...)



337th Sqdr will be equipped with the remaining 20 F-16 C/D Block 52+ that are located in Souda AB and the "Ghost" will continue its tradition of being the best Squadron in the HAF! The legacy is long and honourable and the GHOST will fly again between the clouds with the missiles under his arms...

CYW
05-12-2006, 01:27 PM
I got one question, i knw for a fact that Cypriot soldiers who join the Cypriot air force get sent to Greece for training, what sort of training do they receive there?

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 01:49 PM
I got one question, i knw for a fact that Cypriot soldiers who join the Cypriot air force get sent to Greece for training, what sort of training do they receive there?I'm not really sure if enlisted soldiers (privates) who serves their few months military duty, are trained to Greece. On the other hand, the "career" Cypriot AF personel have to study on some AF schools (depending their special duties) of Hellenic Air Force.

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 01:51 PM
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7343/newpicture167yc6lb.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:22 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:23 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

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http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/f-16060.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/f16db52fl.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:25 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/M2000Kj.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/m2000flight.jpg

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http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/a-7hlo.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:26 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/t-2e160083b.jpg (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:27 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/c-130flight.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/c130-746.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:29 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

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http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/ch47.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:30 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/cl-215.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:36 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/vaer3.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aj1.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:42 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aj4.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:54 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/mirfcalendar3.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/MirF-1CGposter.jpg

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Nick_Karatzides
05-12-2006, 02:56 PM
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/MirF-1CG135.jpg


Dassault Mirage F-1CG s/n "135" standing at readiness in Tanagra AF base.This aircraft was lost on 7th Nov 1994, when it crashed at Chios island, killing its pilot 1st Lt (HAF) Stelios Panagyftopoulos.

http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/cv/panagiftopoulos/PANAGYFTOPOULOS_S.jpg

HEAT
05-12-2006, 02:59 PM
Nick,THANK YOU!!!!!

CYW
05-13-2006, 06:01 AM
Nick,THANK YOU!!!!!


X100000 these are some truly amazing pics!

chris450
05-13-2006, 06:35 AM
many thanks for this wonderfull thread :)

CYW
05-13-2006, 07:55 AM
i've heard of a certain HAF school called Icarus...does anyone have any more information about it?

achilles
05-13-2006, 09:32 AM
Thanks for this awesome thread Nick, have a good one

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 12:03 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

Hellenic Air Force
military ranks

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/Paranks2.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 12:31 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/aircraft.html)

Martin Baltimore
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profbalt.jpg

Supermarine Spitfire
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profspits.jpg

Gloster Gladiator
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profgladiat.jpg

Hawker Hurricane
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profhurri.jpg

Douglas C-47 Dakota Mk IV
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profdak.jpg

Potez 633 B2 "Grec"
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profpotez.jpg

Canadair CL-13 Mk II Sabre
North American F-86D
Dog Sabre
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/proff86.jpg

Fairey Battle
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profbattle.jpg

Bloch MB-151
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profbloch.jpg

Dornier Do-22
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profiledornier.jpg

Lockheed T-33A
Shooting Star
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/proft33.jpg

Bombardier Canadair
CL-215/415
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profcl215.jpg

Curtiss SB2C-5 Helldiver
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profhelldiv.jpg

Henschel HS-126
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/profhs126.jpg

HEAT
05-13-2006, 01:08 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/F-4PHANTOM.jpg


http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 01:28 PM
My brother HEAT (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=12144),

The artwork (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/F-4PHANTOMcopy.jpg) you create is wonderfool, but I think that the "1978 - 2005" logo under Spookie, is wrong!

Please feel free to check the #126 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1654680&postcount=126) message of the HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) and you'll find that the first F-4Es delivered on 1974 (not 1978). After all. the 2005 was NOT the "retirement" year for all HAF Phantoms! The upgraded "Peace Icarus" 2000s (F-4E AUP) will remain in service at least until 2015, while the RF-4Es will be retired next, around 2009.

BTW the "retiring" Phantom II SRA's will "unofficially" keep flying for several months to come! So, I think that the "1978 - 2005" logo under Spookie, should be updated to something more correct.

HEAT
05-13-2006, 01:59 PM
Thank you Nick,
The 1978-2005 logo,also on the patch in your post, is probably the time that this squadron fly with F-4 .So now i wrote the Sqd and its ok.
Sorry am not an expert to phantom`s.

CRTS27
05-13-2006, 03:48 PM
Nick, you RULE!wootwootwoot

Pytheas
05-13-2006, 08:31 PM
[/URL]By the way...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/as332c1/f-16blc52.jpg

This artwork took my attention. It really looks cool. I think There are two IRIS-T missiles on stations 2 and 8. The launchers look like LAU-129. Is LAU-129 certified for IRIS-T or do they use different launchers? Any info about that?

You think correct. Indeed these are IRIS-Ts.
They started arriving in Greece about 1+1/2 month ago... :)


some of the pics -click them to enlarge- of the IRIS-T, loaded on Hellenic F-16s Block 52+ :

[URL=http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-04-02_03/160011_iris-t_pic_3.jpg]http://www3.filehost.to/thumbs/2006-04-02_03/160011_iris-t_pic_3_s.gif (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4532/fantomas3rn.jpg) http://www3.filehost.to/thumbs/2006-04-02_03/160123_iris-t_pic_4_s.gif (http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-04-02_03/160123_iris-t_pic_4.jpg) http://www3.filehost.to/thumbs/2006-04-02_03/160308_iris-t_pic_6_s.gif (http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-04-02_03/160308_iris-t_pic_6.jpg)


Turks call PKK "terrorists"? lol...
THIS IS THE REAL TERROR:
http://www3.filehost.to/thumbs/2006-04-02_03/160538_iris-t_pic_7_s.gif (http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-04-02_03/160538_iris-t_pic_7.jpg)
the JHMCS and IRIS-T combination, in the hands of the Hellenic Pilots!!! :-D









The EYE of the BEHOLDER!!! woot
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00067/IRIS-T_eye_370_px_67910a.jpg

DinamitTNT
05-13-2006, 08:51 PM
You guys best army Balkan. :)

Resurrection
05-13-2006, 08:56 PM
Turks call PKK "terrorists"? lol...
THIS IS THE REAL TERROR:
http://www3.filehost.to/thumbs/2006-04-02_03/160538_iris-t_pic_7_s.gif (http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-04-02_03/160538_iris-t_pic_7.jpg)
the JHMCS and IRIS-T combination, in the hands of the Hellenic Pilots!!! :-D
Flame bait?



The EYE of the BEHOLDER!!! woot
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00067/IRIS-T_eye_370_px_67910a.jpg
Uhmm... wtf? The eye of the beholder?

Pytheas
05-13-2006, 09:09 PM
Flame bait?
no, just bad sence of humor. :)




Uhmm... wtf? The eye of the beholder?

lol...

DeathForSale
05-13-2006, 09:16 PM
no, just bad sence of humor. :)





lol...
rofl rofl

123456

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:03 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f1-5b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f1-4b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:06 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/emb145h-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/emb145h-2b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:07 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/cl415-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/cl415mp-1b.jpg

DinamitTNT
05-13-2006, 11:07 PM
Why you use grey airplanes(like private airpane)? Don't you have radar for that?

Resurrection
05-13-2006, 11:09 PM
Great pics once again Nick.


Why you use last airplane? Don't you have radar on earth.
AEW&C. Read up on it.

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:16 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)


http://www.hellasarmy.gr/353.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/p3b-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/p3b-2b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/p3b-3b.jpg



http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgesot.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg117pm.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgekeat.gif (file:///D:/WORKBACKUP/WEBPAGES/wings/oldies.html)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f4e-7b.jpg




http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge348.gif

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/rf4e-4b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/rf4e-5b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:21 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)


http://www.hellasarmy.gr/331.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/332.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/m2000eg-6b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/m2000eg-5b.jpg




http://www.hellasarmy.gr/340.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/a7h-4b.jpg



http://www.hellasarmy.gr/356b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/c130h-3b.jpg




http://www.hellasarmy.gr/355a.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/do28d2-2b.jpg

Resurrection
05-13-2006, 11:22 PM
I'm assuming the Corsairs are still in service? If so, how long till they're retired?

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:23 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/do28d2-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/m2000eg-4b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/c47-2b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/g159-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/g164-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/a7e-3b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:25 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/a7th-1b.jpg



http://www.hellasarmy.gr/336-d.jpghttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg116pm.gifhttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/335.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f104g-1b.jpg



http://www.hellasarmy.gr/356a.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/112.jpg (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/ep-112.htm)http://www.hellasarmy.gr/356b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/c130h-2b.jpg




http://www.hellasarmy.gr/337.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/348.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/339-a.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/338-a.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f4e-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f4e-6b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f4e-5b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/rf4e-2b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:29 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/356a.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/ys11a-1b.jpg




http://www.hellasarmy.gr/343.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/113.jpg (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/ep-113.htm)http://www.hellasarmy.gr/341.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f5b-1b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/rf5a-1b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:31 PM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge343.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge349.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge341.gif

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f5e-4b.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/f5e-3b.jpg




http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge362.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge363.gif

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/t2e-3b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:32 PM
The following picture found HERE (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/)

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/380.jpg

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/saab340-2b.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-13-2006, 11:34 PM
I'm assuming the Corsairs are still in service? If so, how long till they're retired?Yes. The A-7s are STILL in service and they'll remain in service as long as they can put bombloads on target with accurancy. :)






Why you use grey airplanes (like private airpane)? Don't you have radar for that?

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/emb145h-1b.jpg

These Embraer EMB-145H (http://www.hellasarmy.gr/emb145h.htm) aircrafts are NOT "customized" private aircrafts! They have been DESIGNED to operate as AEWAC (Aerial Warning And Control) platforms. They use Ericsson PS-890 ERIEYE radar. As for the grey colour you mentioned... ask yourself.

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 12:08 AM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.aviationslides.com/)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge358a.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg112pm.gif
http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3043.jpg

http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3044.jpg




http://viperpatches.jetmax.us/Foreign_Swirls/Greece_Swirl.jpg
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg111.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg115pm.gif
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge330.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge346.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge341.gif


http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3036.jpg





http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3288.jpg






http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg116pm.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge336a.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge335.gif



http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3049.jpg




http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3056.jpg




http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg117pm.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgf4.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge348.gif

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge338.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge337.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge339.gif

http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3231.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 12:10 AM
The following pictures found HERE (http://www.aviationslides.com/)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge343.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgef5.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg113pm.gif

http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3006.jpg





http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgemf1.gif


http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge342b.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge334.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge342a.gif


http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3000.jpg





http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3001.jpg






http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge331b.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge332.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg114pm.gif



http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3018.jpg



http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e3012.jpg






http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge361.gif



http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e2985.jpg





http://www.aviationslides.com/pics/e/e2982.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 12:26 AM
This Douglas C-47 Dakota Mk IV has the nickname "Alikie" (Alice in Greek language). It used to be the personal Royal VIP carrier during late 60ies. The nickname was not selected by luck, if you consider the name of a famous female artist who used to "fly" with King Konstantinos these days... :hug:


http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge355-1.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg113pm.gif


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1664/07351043rm.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 01:07 AM
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge358a.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg112pm.gif

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8499/ptisi215sr.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 01:08 AM
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/patch2/greek-c130.JPG
http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge356.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg112pm.gif http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg130.gif

http://www.ptisi.gr/wallpaper/ptisi20.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 01:47 AM
I'm assuming the Corsairs are still in service? If so, how long till they're retired?Yes. The A-7s are STILL in service and they'll remain in service as long as they can put bombloads on target with accurancy. :)

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge345.gif

http://www.hellasarmy.gr/335.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/340.jpghttp://www.hellasarmy.gr/347b.jpg

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgea7.gif

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8489/a7psd11db.jpg


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5199/balkanincidenta7cinematic6ac.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4733/a7pa32f245mv.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1323/kosnightflight6lk.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5134/a7pa32f350cx.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8923/a7hfoto110yf.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8831/55rc.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/605/78az.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9236/80su.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1846/a7pa32f424xx.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 01:55 AM
HAF 343rd Sqdr "Star"
N/R/F-5A/B Freedom Fighters

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badge343.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badgef5.gifhttp://koti.welho.com/msolanak/badg113pm.gif

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/636/f5pilot5ac.jpg

CYW
05-14-2006, 12:52 PM
amazing woot woot

chris450
05-14-2006, 01:51 PM
This is probably the best thread on the Hellenic Airforce out there....again bravo,and keep up the good work





The Greek pilot who shot down the Turkish plane and killed the pilot was tried and convicted. I think he is now spending his days in an asylum for retards right now.
:) :) lol did you read that on MHP manual or is it just you?
link please?:)

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 02:25 PM
This is probably the best thread on the Hellenic Airforce out there....again bravo,and keep up the good work




The Greek pilot who shot down the Turkish plane and killed the pilot was tried and convicted. I think he is now spending his days in an asylum for retards right now.
:) :) lol did you read that on MHP manual or is it just you? link please? :)Already answered in message #109 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652723&postcount=109) as I present it here:

"...Is that a joke? Man... I personaly KNOW the guy. I ensure you that he is one of the most respective "active duty" HAF pilots. Ofcourse had never been convicted and spending his days in an asylum for retards is a quite funny story. Maaaannnn!..."

chris450
05-14-2006, 03:14 PM
my bad :) ....i guess MHP manual it is...

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 06:25 PM
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7324/1024123577n2848b0qh.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 07:02 PM
Hellenic Air Force
F-16 patches


http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aae.jpg http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aaf.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aaa.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aai.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aah.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aam.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aac.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aad.sized.jpg




340th Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aak.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aao.jpg http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aap.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aan.sized.jpg




330th Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album58/aaa.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album58/aac.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album57/aas.sized.jpg




341st Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album59/aaa.sized.jpghttp://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album59/aab.sized.jpg




346th Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album60/aaa.sized.jpghttp://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album60/aac.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album60/aab.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album60/aad.sized.jpg




347th Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album61/aaa.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album61/aab.sized.jpg




343rd Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album19/aah.sized.jpg




SMET Squadron
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album62/aab.sized.jpg
http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album62/aac.sized.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-14-2006, 07:17 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5663/125gk.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5750/last370pe.jpg


After 38 years of service with the Hellenic Air Force the last T-37s were officially retired on October 7th 2002.

phoebus
05-15-2006, 09:12 PM
This is my 1st video upload, I hope you'll enjoy it!:)


http://media.putfile.com/Hellenic-Air-Power---by-Phoebus



And keep rocking!

GREEK71AIRBORNE
05-16-2006, 08:56 PM
MIRAGE2000
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8779/m2000065rc.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3574/m2000096pa.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9250/m2000021uw.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5205/m20000109mv.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/747/m200005jjjjjjjjjjjjj6or.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4031/m200004kkkkkkkkkk4ks.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5740/m200003llllll8yr.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8638/m2000074od.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6483/m2000084if.jpg

CYW
05-17-2006, 08:29 AM
i love the mirage2000...such a beautiful plane

Nick_Karatzides
05-17-2006, 09:36 PM
i love the mirage2000...such a beautiful planeOK, if you like it so much, here are some additional Mirage 2000 pics:


Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9725/m2000112ax.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4861/m2000103xd.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-17-2006, 09:39 PM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8411/a7120ip.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9599/a7118md.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9374/a7102al.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1267/a799dv.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9548/a789pe.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5397/a761ym.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-17-2006, 09:43 PM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1816/a772ss.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3697/a758jr.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3311/a747ih.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4830/a739wr.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7070/a729vs.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7703/a719hl.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-17-2006, 10:08 PM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5338/airshow02383cj.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9882/airshow10991eb.jpg

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7027/airshow03809cc.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/528/airshow11175rx.jpg

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5807/c27jspartan5jz.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-17-2006, 10:16 PM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7265/airshow16107zz.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8433/airshow12141mi.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/2894/airshow12076mp.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8028/airshow11972qd.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9707/airshow12103gd.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1253/m2000pa3dn.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-18-2006, 11:52 AM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/8053/a7hpa9kt.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9677/as332pa6xn.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3299/c47dpa7ps.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8619/c130hpa9nw.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2574/cl415pa3sk.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3107/t2epa9at.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-18-2006, 12:04 PM
Pictures found HERE (http://www.haf.gr/)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9121/t6apa2yx.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7546/airshow13073mg.jpg

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4480/f51139kj.jpg

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6461/f511319yl.jpg

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6422/f511321ls.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9436/f511345wq.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6586/do280fy.jpg

TriggerHappy
05-18-2006, 11:59 PM
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7950/io0c22371if.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4731/superpuma9vt.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2501/dhymjdn7y3dp.jpg

TriggerHappy
05-20-2006, 06:31 AM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4099/dsc3481web3vx.jpg

Pytheas
05-20-2006, 07:58 AM
All the 4 EMB-145 Erieye AWA&C's of the Hellenic Air Force, gathered at their base, the Eleusina military airport:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5451/1820062nx.jpg
Large view, here (http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5451/1820062nx.jpg)



Greek Erieyes from inside:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4589/embraer145erieyeaewcinterior8h.jpg
Large view, here (http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4589/embraer145erieyeaewcinterior8h.jpg)



Erieyes flying!!
Taken at Palma de Mallorca (- Son San Juan) (PMI / LEPA / LESJ) Spain, January 15, 2006
(Picture and remark by Biel Gomila - credits to Alepou340MB for the discovery!)
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/6/6/6/0993666.jpg
large view, here (http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/6/6/6/0993666.jpg)


woot

orko_8
05-20-2006, 09:45 AM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4099/dsc3481web3vx.jpg


A very lovely picture.. I think we see two HAF pilots here :)

TriggerHappy
05-20-2006, 10:04 AM
A very lovely picture.. I think we see two HAF pilots here :)
Thanks man.
The short guy is still training, not yet a pilot.:)

Nick_Karatzides
05-20-2006, 09:06 PM
My good friend TriggerHappy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=16986),

Special thanks for your help on sending HAF images... but I'd like to ask you to check previous pages too, because your pictures have been reposted into these previous pages. Actualy, all of them! :) Ofcourse this recomendation, goes to other members too.

As a request, I'd like to ask HAF pics ONLY! No Hellenic Naval Aviation, no Hellenic Army Aviation etc. After all, it a HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) thread here.

Thanks in advance for your effort and understanding,

Nick


Αδερφέ TriggerHappy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=16986), άδειασε και το inbox σου (πρέπει να το κάνεις κάποια στιγμή ε?), για να μπορούμε να σου στέλνουμε και κανένα PM. ΟΚ?

TriggerHappy
05-20-2006, 10:00 PM
My good friend TriggerHappy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=16986),

Special thanks for your help on sending HAF images... but I'd like to ask you to check previous pages too, because your pictures have been reposted into these previous pages. Actualy, all of them! :) Ofcourse this recomendation, goes to other members too.

As a request, I'd like to ask HAF pics ONLY! No Hellenic Naval Aviation, no Hellenic Army Aviation etc. After all, it a HELLENIC AIR FORCE "in action" pictures & videos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617) thread here.

Thanks in advance for your effort and understanding,

Nick


Αδερφέ TriggerHappy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=16986), άδειασε και το inbox σου (πρέπει να το κάνεις κάποια στιγμή ε?), για να μπορούμε να σου στέλνουμε και κανένα PM. ΟΚ?


I am sorry.
I didn't check them all.
Also sorry for posting in wrong section.

1000 sorry megale.
Gia avto apofevgw na dimosievw eikones edw pera.
Kserw oti esy ta exeis balei ola.
Basika gia ton Elliniko strato/aeroporia kserw poio polla gia Spartiates kai Byzantinous para sygxrono strato.
Oso gia to navtiko pote den asxolithika, den mou arese.
Mhn me rwtas giati aplos etsi einai.
Stamatisa na agorazw to periodiko ΠΤΗΣΗ edw kai xronia.
Twra exw mavra mesanyxta se polla themata.
Arxaioplhktos tou kerata, blepeis.

Twra esbhsa merika mhnhmata.
Stelne oti thes apo dw kai pera.

GREEK71AIRBORNE
05-26-2006, 09:00 PM
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/998/0506232001020overview20jvresiz.jpg
http://www.st-doerfer.de/Kleine_Brogel/094IMG_4882.jpg

Resurrection
05-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Great pics, how are those Erieyes doing?

GREEK71AIRBORNE
05-29-2006, 07:27 PM
Well we had some Delays....
But if i am not mistaken they are fully opperational now

Flying low....
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9888/295ffa3f5qp.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5851/188b1fc43ip.jpg

Talking about Stealth....

Nick_Karatzides
05-29-2006, 09:14 PM
Farewell to Captain (HAF) Kostas Iliakis


They soared like their hopes,
to seek and defend.
Each man and machine,
as ONE to the end.




GOODBYE KOSTAS (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6204/hafnicephoto0yn.jpg)

Click on Kostas picture for a farewell VIDEO


http://www.insitu.gr/psoipa/images/thireos.gif

ΣΜΗΝΑΓΟΣ (Ι)

ΗΛΙΑΚΗΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8739/captainhafkostasiliakis9av.jpg (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ca0gpe)


Captain (HAF) Kostas Iliakis (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8739/captainhafkostasiliakis9av.jpg), tragicaly KIA on 23rd May 2006, trying to defend his country against some "allies" boogies (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9172/tokunagahaf40452uu.jpg). He scrambled from his 343rd Sqdr (http://www.f-16.net/PatchGallery/album19/aah.sized.jpg), to identify some "tracks" (THK fighters entered Athens FIR (http://www.athensnews.gr/data/D2001/D0706/1ng7a.gif) and fly over Greek island... without any notice or permision ofcourse). His F-16C Block 52+ (http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/6184/1d20b7130av.jpg) crashed & burned after mid-air collition at 27000 ft with a THK F-16C (http://www.airiz.nato.int/Multimedia/ExercisePhotos/2004/NAM04/996F4916web.jpg), escorted by other THK F-16C (http://www.airiz.nato.int/Multimedia/ExercisePhotos/2004/NAM04/996F4916web.jpg) and THK RF-4E Phantom II (http://www.arnhem.freeserve.co.uk/MH2000/69-7456-mh2000-2.jpg) too, very close to Karpathos island... a Greek island. The THK RF-4E Phantom II (http://www.arnhem.freeserve.co.uk/MH2000/69-7456-mh2000-2.jpg) was too close to its "mission target" (to take some hi-res S300 missile pics, based on Creta island - oh yeah Greek island too!)

Luckily the THK F-16C pilot 1st LT (THK) Halil Ibrahim Ozdemir (http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060523/i/r3405794267.jpg?x=380&y=300&sig=fspC7yi0Q2m_XlGGTQ2IEg--) ejected succesfully and saved his life. The THK ejected pilot was extremely lucky and found & saved by a petrol boat named "Gas century" upon his feet got wet by the sea. Only 5 minutes later, a HAF AS-332C1 Super Puma SAR (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/cougar.jpg) helicopter reached the spot and the HAF specialised personel (pararescue crew) tried to give medical assistance to the THK pilot. Even 1st LT (THK) Halil Ibrahim Ozdemir (http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060523/i/r3405794267.jpg?x=380&y=300&sig=fspC7yi0Q2m_XlGGTQ2IEg--) was wounded after HAF and THK fighter jets collided each other, he denied any kind of help, medical assistant and first aid care by HAF rescue personel and prefered to wait for about one hour until a THK AS-532AL Cougar SAR (http://xs201.xs.to/xs201/06216/503355.jpg) helicopter finaly approached the area (after THK General in Staff kind request for permition to Greek Ministry of Defence). The HAF AS-332C1 Super Puma SAR heli crew reported that the THK pilot 1st LT (THK) Halil Ibrahim Ozdemir (http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060523/i/r3405794267.jpg?x=380&y=300&sig=fspC7yi0Q2m_XlGGTQ2IEg--) pulled a Heckler & Koch P7 pistol (http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4328/hecklerkochp7m8pistol0af.jpg) from his holster, to keep them away from him...!

Tension which escalated over the Aegean after the collision, was eased with telephone conversations between Greek and Turkish foreign ministers and general staff chiefs. The Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs made a statement and mentioned its sadness over the death of the HAF pilot. A crisis was avoided thanks to the calmness of authorities in both sides.

Heron
05-29-2006, 10:30 PM
:(
R.i.p.

CYW
05-30-2006, 07:32 AM
:-( R.I.P aderfe...i'm afraid we're gna see a lot of similar situations before some actions are taken....

flanker7
05-30-2006, 07:35 AM
Εννιά φορές το βάρος μου σηκώνω
αίρων τις αμαρτίες που μ'αναθέσανε γενιές χαμένες
σε μια στροφή το μάτι μου καρφώνω
σε εικονικά τετράγωνα
αιχμαλωτίζοντας κουκκίδες ξένες

Θέλει Αρετήν και Τόλμην η Ελευθερία
Μάρτυράς μου η ιδρωμένη φόρμα
οι κρύες αίθουσες των readines
και τα ονόματα των συναδέλφων στα Ηρώα

Το μόνο που δεν σκέφτομαι είναι να πεθάνω
αν και μπορεί κι αυτό αναπάντεχα να γίνει
κι αν τα G δεν μ'αφήνουν ν'ανασάνω
πολά περιθώρια η εύθυνη δεν μου δίνει

Μπαίνω στο merge
Γιάννη άφησε τον δικό μου
έξω έχει ήλιο μα εδώ θυμίζει μπόρα
μου φτάνει που τρία λεπτά οι ουρανοί είναι δικοί μου
κι εσύ εχθρέ είσαι Kill απ'ώρα....

Γιάννης Ν. Χριστογιαννάκης


I apologise for the Greek. It's a poem devoted to the HAF pilots
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/edit.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1684498) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1684498) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/quickreply.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1684498)

chris450
05-30-2006, 01:42 PM
..............ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ..............

GREEK71AIRBORNE
05-30-2006, 07:12 PM
He is a Hero!
A True Hero that Died Trying to protect his Island (Kostas is from Crete) from the foreighn intruder!
He Died Fighting for dignity and Didnt alow the Enemy to Spy his Nation
He died For his Home
He Died for His Island Crete
He died For his Nation Hellas
He died Protecting European Union's Soil From Asian Invaders

May he Rest in Peace For Ever, God Rest His soul and Help his Family and the 2 Orhans that he left....
We Will Never Forget you Kostas....
Our Pilots Will never Forget you....
They know What they Have to Do and Be sure Kostas, they Will....
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1624/p53100061er.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
05-31-2006, 11:23 PM
June 1st 2006, 06.00 AM, few minutes before sunrising. 343rd Sqdr flight officers personel gathering into the Sqdrn's briefing room for report.


Major (HAF) Nikos Polynakis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
Major (HAF) Dimitris Kapetanidis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
Captain (HAF) Panagiotis Liosidakis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
Captain (HAF) Giannis Paraschou? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
Captain (HAF) Thanos Karabasidis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
Captain (HAF) Alexis Semertzis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Andreas Theodoridis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Dimitris Grammenos? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Giorgos Papadimitriou? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Petros Papadopoulos? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Nikos Giagkounidakis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
1st LT (HAF) Vasilis Fotakis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
2nd LT (HAF) Vaggelis Sotirakopoulos? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
2nd LT (HAF) Theodoros Argyriadis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
2nd LT (HAF) Aristidis Christogiannopoulos? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
2nd LT (HAF) Stelios Iakovidis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.
2nd LT (HAF) Leonidas Moschotakis? PRESENT sir. Report for duty.

Someone is missing...... who is missing?


Captain (HAF) Kostas Iliakis (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8739/captainhafkostasiliakis9av.jpg)? ......?
Captain (HAF) Kostas Iliakis (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8739/captainhafkostasiliakis9av.jpg)..............................????????????


Sir... he's ABSENTEE! Tragicaly KIA

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/3628/dscf00488vu.jpg

TriggerHappy
05-31-2006, 11:31 PM
May He Rest In Peace.

sierraone
06-09-2006, 03:56 PM
http://www.primeimages.co.uk/Prime%20Images%20JPEGS/2005/Leuchars%20Airshow%202005/SpitfireJ5N5326%20(200x133).jpg

....ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ....

8thMAK
06-10-2006, 02:58 PM
...Αθανατος.

HEAT
06-15-2006, 04:18 AM
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6414/filipcollection0051ny.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=filipcollection0051ny.jpg) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4999/filipcollection0049te.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=filipcollection0049te.jpg) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5007/usa061507dk.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usa061507dk.jpg)

GrkWebMaster
07-03-2006, 08:37 PM
Top notch photos everyone.
Please enjoy some videos www.greekmilitary.net/Video.htm (http://www.greekmilitary.net/Video.htm)

Greek & Cypriot Army Parades 2005
http://greekmilitary.net/cyprus/warflagsIMP4.jpg (http://media.putfile.com/Greek-Army-parrade-1-of-3)
1 of 3
Greek Military Parade Thessaloniki (25 Megs)
http://greekmilitary.net/Greek%20Armoured%20Core/pytheusatinvisionfree44kn.jpg (http://media.putfile.com/Greek-Army-parrade-2-of-3)
2 of 3
Greek Military Parade Thessaloniki (25 Megs)
http://greekmilitary.net/airdefence1/Greek%20army%20sa8-1.jpg (http://media.putfile.com/Greek-Army-parrade-3-of-3)
3 of 3
Greek Military Parade Thessaloniki (25 Megs)

http://greekmilitary.net/cyprus/kh.jpg (http://media.putfile.com/GrkCypriotParade)

Greek Cypriot Military Parade (5megs)

larryzou
07-04-2006, 02:38 AM
vary nice pic thanks

GrkWebMaster
07-04-2006, 02:43 AM
click on the images theres even nicer stuff behind them :)

PELASGOS
07-04-2006, 03:35 PM
Sir... he's ABSENTE! Tragicaly KIA



ΕΣΕΤΑΙ ΗΜΑΡ.

Nick_Karatzides
09-13-2006, 09:53 PM
HAF F-16 walkaround pics as appeared at "Archangel 2005" airshow (http://www.saunalahti.fi/cabpilot/archange.htm), on Sept 2005 at Tanagra AB, Greece. Pictures by Arty (http://www.e-haf.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3312).


Click on the thumbnails to extract pictures to original size:



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http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3383/img14276td.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img14276td.jpg) http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/556/img14280dh.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img14280dh.jpg) http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5339/img14295dc.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img14295dc.jpg)

Nick_Karatzides
09-22-2006, 02:13 PM
Hellenic Air Force
McDonnell Douglas FA-18L Hornet

Click on thumbnail to maximize in original size

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5906/mcdonnelldouglasfa18lhornethafqx8.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mcdonnelldouglasfa18lhornethafqx8.jpg)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5906/mcdonnelldouglasfa18lhornethafqx8.jpg

Greek soldier
09-22-2006, 02:15 PM
WTHF? Where did you find this image? My God, you bring memories of the 1980's "agora tou aiwna".:hug:

Nick_Karatzides
09-23-2006, 08:14 AM
Click on thumbnails to maximize in original size

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1573/lockheedmartinf16cfightingfalconpilot31dw7.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lockheedmartinf16cfightingfalconpilot31dw7.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9210/lockheedmartinf16cfightingfalconpilot39yp5.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lockheedmartinf16cfightingfalconpilot39yp5.jpg)
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http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6082/voughta7corsairpilot06sa1.jpg

Nick_Karatzides
10-29-2006, 02:22 PM
Hellenic Air Force inventory



Tactical fighters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_aircraft)
F-16C/D Block 52+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Fighting_Falcon): 60 + 30 on order
F-16C/D Block 50D: 40
F-16C/D Block 30: 40 (F-16.net - will see all information relating to the F-16)
Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mirage_2000-5_Mk2&action=edit): 40
Mirage 2000EGM/BGM: 21 (to be updated in order to reach the -5 Mk2 level)
F-4E Peace Icarus II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_II): 35
RF-4E: 23
A-7H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-7_Corsair_II): 41 (to be retired)
A-7E: 45 (to be retired)
Transports
C-130 Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130_Hercules): 15
C-27J Spartan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-27J_Spartan): 12
Trainers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainer_aircraft)
T-2 Buckeye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-2_Buckeye): 40
T-6 Texan II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-6_Texan_II): 45
T-41 Mescalero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-41_Mescalero): 20
Reconnaissance - AWACS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWACS)
EMB-145 Erieye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMB-145_Erieye): 4
Helicopters
AS-332C1 Super Puma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_Cougar): 6
AB 205 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois): 11
AB 212 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_212): 4
General purporse
CL-415 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CL-415): 10
CL-215: 14
Anti-aircraft Artillery
MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot): 6
S-300 PMU-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-10_Grumble): 2 *
Crotale NG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale): 12
9K331 TOR M1:4 fire units (for close range protection of the S-300)
Skyguard I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyguard_I): 12* - Property of Cyprus. Transferred to Greece (Crete) due to political reasons.


Equipment
AIM-120 AMRAAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM): 350
MBDA MICA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_MICA): 200 + 100 options under delivery
IRIS-T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T): 350
AIM-9M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder): 165
AIM-9L: 1047
AIM-9P4: 995 (upgraded P3 and J Sidewinder)
Magic 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R550_Magic): 399
AGM-88B Block IIIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM): 84
MBDA Scalp EG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow): 90
AFDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AFDS&action=edit): 100
AM-39 Exocet Block 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Exocet): 40
AGM-65G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick): 200
AGM-65A & B: 284 (Proposal to be upgraded at H standard)
GBU-8B HOBOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GBU-8B_HOBOS&action=edit): 96
GBU-24 Paveway III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-24_Paveway_III): 200
GBU-27 Paveway III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-27_Paveway_III): 250 (Not certain)
GBU-12 Paveway II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-12_Paveway_II): 600
GBU-16 Paveway II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-16_Paveway_II): 562
Historical aircraft
Hurricane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hurricane)
Spitfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire)
C-47 Skytrain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-47_Skytrain)
T-33 Shooting Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-33_Shooting_Star)
F-86 Sabre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-86_Sabre)
F-104 Starfighter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-104_Starfighter)

Nick_Karatzides
10-29-2006, 02:43 PM
Hellenic Air Force structure


Wings & squadrons

Combat
110th Fighter Wing
337th squadron "Phantom" (as scheduled, closed down during the winter of 2005-2006)
346th squadron "Jason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason)"
348th squadron "Eyes"
111th Fighter Wing
330th squadron "Thunder"
341st squadron "Ace"
347th squadron "Perseus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus)"
114th Fighter Wing
331st squadron "Aigeas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aigeas)"
332nd squadron "Falcon"
115th Fighter Wing
340th squardon "Fox"
343rd squadron "Star"
334th squadron "Talos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talos)"
116th Fighter Wing based in Araxos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araxos), Greece, prefecture of Achaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaia)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/335_SQRN_-_Logo.jpg/180px-335_SQRN_-_Logo.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/335_SQRN_-_Logo.jpg)



335th squadron front entrance


335th squadron "Tigers"
336th squadron "Hawk"
117th Fighter Wing based in Andravida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andravida), prefecture of Ilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefecture_of_Ilia)
338th sqquadron "Ares"
339th squadron "Ajax"
Training
124th Training Wing localted in Tripoli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli%2C_Greece), Arcadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia).
1st Trainee squadron
2nd Trainee squadron
3rd Trainee squadron


Hellenic Air Force structure


Air defence & early warning


AA missiles
350th Anti-Aircraft missile squadron in Parnitha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnitha)
Radar units
1st MISEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Evros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evros)
2nd MISEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Thessalia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessalia)
3rd MISEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Rodopi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodopi)
6th MΙSEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Myconos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myconos) island
7th MISEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Skyros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyros) island
8th MISEP (Advanced Warning squadron) in Limnos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnos) island
Technical schools
128th School of Engineering & Technical Institute - SETI in Kavouri (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kavouri&action=edit), Athens

Hawk of prairie
11-08-2006, 05:49 AM
Wonderful pics,nick!
many thanks:)

Ghelp
11-14-2006, 03:55 PM
Nice images thank you.By "in action" do you mean in combat.Who is Greece fighting against.

Nick_Karatzides
11-14-2006, 04:08 PM
Nice images thank you. By "in action" do you mean in combat.Who is Greece fighting against.You are mistaken. "In action" means "INTO action" and IF you knew better, you would be aware that Hellenic Air Force FIGHTS everyday on the Aegean skies.

After all, the word "routine" is out of any AF vocabulary.

Ghelp
11-14-2006, 04:12 PM
You are mistaken. "In action" means "INTO action" and IF you knew better, you would be aware that Hellenic Air Force FIGHTS everyday on the Aegean skies.

After all, the word "routine" is out of any AF vocabulary.

This was the reason for my question.I wasn't aware of the fighting in the Aegean.Thank you

flanker7
11-15-2006, 04:31 PM
A small "correction" Nick, those are A-7Es. Notice the refuelling probe.

Nick_Karatzides
11-15-2006, 04:46 PM
A small "correction" Nick, those are A-7Es. Notice the refuelling probe.Thanks for notice! Edited already :) :) :)

DutchPower
11-15-2006, 04:54 PM
I just love those f16's!

phoebus
11-17-2006, 10:00 AM
Good day people, Nikola I got your PM p-)

These are some fresh images taken during the NATO exercise "Spartan Hammer" 2006.

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/6287/2004962563373365738_rs.jpg

http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/6033/2001919572353982338_rs.jpg

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/5751/2004957869998263987_rs.jpg

http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/7195/2001910395206286244_rs.jpg

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/6446/2001947207778514012_rs.jpg

HAF MERYP radar facilities

http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/6480/2000401893318742440_rs.jpg

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/8085/2000456593977572921_rs.jpg

Greek Army Commandos disembarking from HAF Super Puma
http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/4974/2003906793045618493_rs.jpg

HAF Tor-M1
http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/4974/2003986166354249211_rs.jpg

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/6351/2003992324725306167_rs.jpg



Source: http://www.nato.int/multi/photos/2006/m061109a.htm (http://www.nato.int/multi/photos/2006/m061109a.htm)

phoebus
11-17-2006, 12:05 PM
And now for something completely different: 13th RHAF Flight in action p-) (Korean War)




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> Information about the men that lost their lifes on duty in Korea, and more pictures can be found in this directory (from which all of the above images were found as well):

http://www.haf.gr/el/history/history/pdf/ELL_FTERA_KOREAS.pdf (PDF format)



> Also Mr Maglinis has made a rather interesting historical analysis which can be found here:

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/koreaengl.html (http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/koreaengl.html)

chris450
11-17-2006, 01:07 PM
excellent post! thank you phoebus!

Dark Avenger
11-17-2006, 01:45 PM
From reading A. Tsolakis' book on the 13th Flight in the Korean War, I recall a mention that of all UN air transport units, the Americans trusted only the 13th and their own squadrons with MedEvac missions.

Nick_Karatzides
11-17-2006, 04:55 PM
phoebus (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=18822), that's an EXCELLENTand complete post! We all thank you very much for your research. Congrats

Ghelp
11-17-2006, 05:17 PM
Any photos of HAF refuelers or tankers?

Nick_Karatzides
11-17-2006, 06:01 PM
Any photos of HAF refuelers or tankers?HAF is not equiped with tanker aircrafts. For other aerial refuelers, check previous posts. The #241 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2082682&postcount=241) post is a fine example.

Ghelp
11-17-2006, 06:08 PM
Thank you.I had no idea.Even the FAC has refuelers I would think Greece has some.

Any plans for possible procurement?

phoebus
11-17-2006, 06:37 PM
Thanks guys,

My father used to know personally several captains in Olympic Airways(back in the 60's) that used to fly Dakotas in Korea; those guys were real pros. One of them used to land the civilian DC-3, and while loading cargo and passengers, he would take out his knive search the air***** for radikia and vrouves (greek vegetables) :)

Those were some really fine men, or may I say airmen!



Btw, this may have been posted, but I love it.
http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/6412/2005897769886544689_rs.jpg

phoebus
11-18-2006, 11:08 AM
Airliners.net had some rather interesting photos, most of our fighter/bombers are illustrated! ;)

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/7093/2005490878783296978_rs.jpg

http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/7640/2005486362537787236_rs.jpg

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/7443/2005448606936471559_rs.jpg

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/6311/2005405097062365540_rs.jpg

Not entirely a HAF photo, yet it's interesting.
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/6311/2005463386651213942_rs.jpg

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/6904/2005438785471219674_rs.jpg

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/8459/2005467018032968097_rs.jpg

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/4416/2005427257097369402_rs.jpg

http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/8030/2005481525972403636_rs.jpg

http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/6281/2005435983148380071_rs.jpg

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/5948/2000723239294518296_rs.jpg

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/6644/2000706548982279688_rs.jpg

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/7563/2000778754785612715_rs.jpg

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/6617/2000721123799846161_rs.jpg

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/7417/2000786589970500238_rs.jpg

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/5530/2000704850642266469_rs.jpg

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/6695/2000775127123932127_rs.jpg

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/4457/2000781445600915581_rs.jpg

http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/7438/2000764328525127614_rs.jpg

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/6849/2002274181739938430_rs.jpg

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/4834/2002248574727726687_rs.jpg

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/5548/2002278934401248013_rs.jpg

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/5586/2002259912612512780_rs.jpg

http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/5258/2002215653598106464_rs.jpg

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/5307/2002204733720017498_rs.jpg

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/5642/2002246414732557620_rs.jpg

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/4769/2002260849236020511_rs.jpg

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/5807/2001790087342976294_rs.jpg

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/4667/2006002530779221622_rs.jpg

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/5375/2006011261319949966_rs.jpg

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/5143/2006013067378217463_rs.jpg

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/4079/2006093642359257146_rs.jpg

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/8010/2006002679725022250_rs.jpg

http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/5574/2006047157477826514_rs.jpg[/URL]


These are F-4E pictures from [URL="http://www.haf.gr"]www.haf.gr (http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/5574/2006047157477826514_rs.jpg)


http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/8008/2006018374249774128_rs.jpg

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/8008/2006090771167524317_rs.jpg

phoebus
11-18-2006, 10:06 PM
These are scanned from old issues of Ptisi & Diastima, Stratigiki, F-4 Phantom (book) and Amyntika Themata.

Eurocopter Super Puma
http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/6378/2005463114725636121_rs.jpg

JHMCS
http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/5909/2005432649827767692_rs.jpg

NVGs
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/5393/2005498744085126835_rs.jpg

T-6A Texan II
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/6833/2005490975892021195_rs.jpg

F-4E Phantom
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/5246/2005474503736477467_rs.jpg

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/5039/2005434381249420771_rs.jpg

Eurocopter Super Puma
http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/8466/2005416865298548092_rs.jpg

HAF Special Operations Squadron 38MEE
http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/8328/2005434771634411617_rs.jpg

Eurocopter Super Puma
http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/5853/2005416772842682017_rs.jpg

HAF Special Operations Squadron 38MEE
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/6993/2005440531760630897_rs.jpg

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/5565/2005577614097939365_rs.jpg

Bell UH-1H Huey / F-4E Phantom
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/8361/2005552392997331091_rs.jpg

phoebus
11-18-2006, 10:57 PM
Some more

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/7159/2001372652743511985_rs.jpg

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/7036/2001345455673300900_rs.jpg

http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/4410/2001328593500610041_rs.jpg

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/4376/2001368092616908423_rs.jpg

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/5791/2001336077044394198_rs.jpg

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/5100/2001324592404725144_rs.jpg

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/5709/2001389269215933305_rs.jpg

GREEK71AIRBORNE
11-20-2006, 05:59 PM
Hellenic AirForce Celebrates the "Arghangel" Day Photos
Credit goes to @kinmid & @sjmygian

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/A7E_GR_62.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/F16C_GR_250.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MIRAGE2000E_GR_137.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/Girrafe_Skyguard_GR_2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MIRAGE2000E_GR_144.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MIRAGE2000-5_GR_76.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MIRAGE2000-5_GR_65.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/ERJ145H_GR_49.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/C27_GR_15.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/AS332_GR_48.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/C130H_GR_83.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/CL415MP_GR_8.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/Crotale_GR_20.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/Crotale_GR_22.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MF1CG_M2000EBG_GR_4.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/MIRAGE2000-5_GR_78.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/kinmid/P3B_GR_37.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01342.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01350.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01351.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01358.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01368.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01370.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01401.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01384.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01385.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01388.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/sjmygian/112PM/DSC01376.jpg

phoebus
11-29-2006, 01:18 PM
Nice photos greek Airborne, thank you very much :)

phoebus
11-29-2006, 01:20 PM
I'm sure this video will interest you.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2302/HAF%207_0001.wmv

Credit goes to NMBS1

GREEK71AIRBORNE
12-01-2006, 06:05 AM
HELLENIC AIRFORCE F-16 with IRIS-T
Credit goes to @Petros and @Alepou

http://www.dpgr.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10495/IRIST01.jpg
http://www.dpgr.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10495/IRIST02.jpg
http://www.dpgr.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10495/IRIST03.jpg
http://www.dpgr.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10495/IRIST04.jpg
http://www.dpgr.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10495/IRIST05.jpg

phoebus
12-18-2006, 02:20 AM
N/F-5A Freedom Fighter (retired)
http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/5990/2000898075557407541_rs.jpg

http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/7362/2000892882775508743_rs.jpg

N/F-5B Freedom Fighter (retired)
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/9682/2000836189741394094_rs.jpg

RF-4E Phantom II
http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/6587/2000898401659702179_rs.jpg

HEAT
12-19-2006, 07:00 PM
In action :):)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT/abv.sized.jpg




All my Artwork hi res here (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT)

Amateur
12-22-2006, 11:43 AM
An excellent video. Put the sound on, the song is half the beauty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--yFVVD9IE

sjmygian
01-26-2007, 10:55 AM
Thanks guys,

My father used to know personally several captains in Olympic Airways(back in the 60's) that used to fly Dakotas in Korea; those guys were real pros. One of them used to land the civilian DC-3, and while loading cargo and passengers, he would take out his knive search the air***** for radikia and vrouves (greek vegetables) :)

Those were some really fine men, or may I say airmen!


Phoebus,

since you mentioned the greek Dakotas in Korea, you might be interested in the book "Ellinika Ftera ston polemo tis Koreas" (for non-greek speakers: Greek Wings at Korean War).

The book can be downloded as pdf from HAF's website as a pdf (5542,8 KB)
http://www.haf.gr/el/history/history/pdf/ELL_FTERA_KOREAS.pdf


If this has allready been posted elsewhere, I apologise.

GREEK71AIRBORNE
01-26-2007, 06:24 PM
2 Hellenic Mirage2000 in Florennes
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3383/mirage2000218ik1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4372/mirage2000222aq1.jpg