Mexico de-criminalize "street" drugs

[XShipRider]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12535896/

It's the coke, heroin and XTC which will increase street crime in Mexico
(to include the former Southeast US states of Califexico, Texico, Arizonas de
Mexico and, the only one not to change names -- New Mexico).

This is going to bring in tourists like no tomorrow. Mexican vacations will
increase ten-fold in no small part due to this legislation.

[tuercas]

the law does not actually legalize drugs. the law is modeled after US drug enforcement laws which set specific quantities to determine appropriate sentencing. the current laws have the same sentences for any amount so a person with a small amount of drugs may do a lot of time while a traffiker will do proportionally little time . the quantities that may be owned are very small 5 grams of marihuana, 500 miligrams of cocaíne, 5 grams of opium and 25 miligrams of heroín . this decriminalises posesion of these small quantities but it is still illegal to sell the drugs

[MichaelF]

"But Mooooooommmm! Cancun has great errrr..... like, tacos 'n culture 'n stuff! And sombreros!"

[p$ycho+log!cal]

its good actually. it doesnt penalize the little costy that come every day to get his fix cuz hes trapped in his addiction. now it penalize the big dealer whos supplying the stuff and intoxicating people.
example : I am a weed smoker(I dont sell any) , i smoke occasionaly (1-2 time every 2 week) . if i get caught with 1g, its stupid if i get 50 year of mexican jail (cuz before they didnt made a difference between 1g and a pound and gave you the same sentence...).

and btw the person who take the drugs should not be sent to jail
, he need help with his problem, you are not helping your problem by going to jail...... they need a freaking re-hab just like you can get 1 here

the dealer, him, need to be raped and sent to jail. he created the problem

[Clarsachier]

If y could hear the local conservative politicians down here by the U.S./Mex. border wailing, you might just think the Mexicans did it just to pi** them off!

Nah. They wouldn't do something like that just to pi** off some gringo right wingers?

p-)

[PSU_Jew]

If they only wanted to make it easier for drug enforcement, why did they de-criminalize it instead of just lowering the penality for the possession of small amounts of narcotics? I agree about the tourism part. Kids can come over from the US for cheap (pratically) legal drugs. I just think the "de-criminialization" sounds fishy.

[Laconian]

its good actually. it doesnt penalize the little costy that come every day to get his fix cuz hes trapped in his addiction. now it penalize the big dealer whos supplying the stuff and intoxicating people.
example : I am a weed smoker(I dont sell any) , i smoke occasionaly (1-2 time every 2 week) . if i get caught with 1g, its stupid if i get 50 year of mexican jail (cuz before they didnt made a difference between 1g and a pound and gave you the same sentence...).

and btw the person who take the drugs should not be sent to jail
, he need help with his problem, you are not helping your problem by going to jail...... they need a freaking re-hab just like you can get 1 here

the dealer, him, need to be raped and sent to jail. he created the problem

You couldn't be more wrong. Can't do the time; don't do the crime. Whether its an addiction or hobby you're supporting, POSSESSION of narcotics is a CRIMINAL offense. Crime is PUNISHED with jail/prison time. IMO, you want rehab? You can get it AFTER you come out of the hole, paid for by you, not the government. If you don't have a job to pay for it you can get a student loan, or do the equivalent amount of community service to defray the cost.
I'm getting sick & tired of people making bad decisions with their lives and expecting someone else (mainly the government) to make it right for them without any repercussions. Its BS and it has to stop or we will freedom ourselves out of existence.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Go to jail if your a drug-User?
taking drug is a non-violent crime(thanks canada!)
THX to the vancouver mayor, he know the real deal.
in vancouver they stopped to send pleople to jail for drug, they found out that it was completly useless, Why blame some one who is ADDICTED (he doesnt choose it) on a substance (Exp: crack,coke and stuff like this) and send him in a hole (what is he gonna learn about it?)

i had a friend who was a coke addict, he did a 3 month re-hab and now hes running a internet business. if he went to jail he would only be a junky whos been in jail.

Like i said before, if you are the every day costy who doesnt sell any stuff u shouldnt be penalized as much as the guy who sell it.

Btw: do you know how does it hurt to miss your fix in the morning when you are a crack addict? do you know how hard it is? i mean ive seen people almost killing for it. its a major problem, id rather send them in RE-hab so wen they come out they are afraid to fall back in their addiction, jail doesnt do **** about your addiction, in jail you can find more drugs than in the streets, wow.
send a crackhead to jail its like sending him to a crime-school.


...jail ...for a 5 piece... lol?

[tuercas]

If they only wanted to make it easier for drug enforcement, why did they de-criminalize it instead of just lowering the penality for the possession of small amounts of narcotics? I agree about the tourism part. Kids can come over from the US for cheap (pratically) legal drugs. I just think the "de-criminialization" sounds fishy.
this was done so the large traffiquers would not spread their supply in order to get lower sentences. the legal amounts have little black market value.

(sorry about the early 5hity spelling, i mostly post while at work :) )

[Dalamara]

This makes a lot of sense.

Most people who buy/use drugs are not real criminals. They might steal a little to support their habit, but that's a far cry from murder. A lot of drug dealers wouldn't think twice about murdering someone who hasn't paid up or someone who is encroaching on their territory.

This law makes a lot of sense... don't clog up the legal system with a bunch of addicts, but rather cut off the addicts supply because now you have more resources to go after the dealers.

[Dalamara]

Of course this all hinges on the ability of Mexican authorities to capture these dealers. If the resources freed up by the law doesn't help them to catch dealers more efficiently then all you have is an increased demand for drugs.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

seems as if it will increase the problem, not fix it

[tuercas]

seems as if it will increase the problem, not fix it
the US has similar laws, check the books, you will find the legal amounts in the US are also miniscule albeit smaller than here.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

yeah but its ALWAYS illegal to possess ANY amount, but there are various charges depending on amount, because once you have a certain amount you are charged with "intent to distribute" irregardless if you planned on selling it or not

[PSU_Jew]

Also, many people who start using drugs eventually begin selling drugs to at least, help finance their own addiction.

[praetorian6]

You couldn't be more wrong. Can't do the time; don't do the crime. Whether its an addiction or hobby you're supporting, POSSESSION of narcotics is a CRIMINAL offense. Crime is PUNISHED with jail/prison time. IMO, you want rehab? You can get it AFTER you come out of the hole, paid for by you, not the government. If you don't have a job to pay for it you can get a student loan, or do the equivalent amount of community service to defray the cost.
I'm getting sick & tired of people making bad decisions with their lives and expecting someone else (mainly the government) to make it right for them without any repercussions. Its BS and it has to stop or we will freedom ourselves out of existence.

X100

Take a little responsibility for your actions. "Recreational" is not a valid defense, it's a piss poor excuse.

[XShipRider]

They might steal a little to support their habit, but that's a far cry from murder. A lot of drug dealers wouldn't think twice about murdering someone who hasn't paid up or someone who is encroaching on their territory.

The natural progression for someone who steals a little is to steal a bit
more until they're stealing a lot. It may be a far cry from murder but
they're both wrong. At what cost to you and me does this 'steal a
little' become a problem? It costs more to protect the rest of us
through increased taxes to support larger police forces thus jail
and prison facilities. Not to mention ever rising insurance costs.

I realize the thread is about decriminalizing drugs not necessarily
theft or other crimes.

I for one don't want to see my teenagers doing drugs (including
alcohol) -- the very thing I did. Legalizing drugs will only encourage
our already wayward youth* to try something which the government
now deems "no worse than alcohol." Yes, I'm a bit of a hypocrite since I
did these things when I was young.


OMG! I've become my father!rofl

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Also, many people who start using drugs eventually begin selling drugs to at least, help finance their own addiction.


right...
i'd like to see you trying to sell coke/crack.
you'd get shot after a day by the local dealers. every body know every body in drug world, its not hard to find some one and to find the ones that sell on your territory.
Do you think crackheads have the money to buy a good load of ck and re-sell it on the street safely?i dont think so .
3/4 of the important dealers dont take drugs. if you sell coke/crack you got at the 1st lvl to not be addicted to those substance or you will obviously die.

[PSU_Jew]

Yeah, I probably would be. But here's what I do know. I used to work with a guy who went to my highschool. He started off on smaller drugs then eventually got into heavier stuff. At first he would only sell pot but then he eventually got into herion. This is how they get distrubuted into smaller quantities. He's in jail now b/c he got busted with a bunch of herion.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Yeah, I probably would be. But here's what I do know. I used to work with a guy who went to my highschool. He started off on smaller drugs then eventually got into heavier stuff. At first he would only sell pot but then he eventually got into herion. This is how they get distrubuted into smaller quantities. He's in jail now b/c he got busted with a bunch of herion.

and was your friend a good guy? i dont hink he was a murderer or sum **** like this.
all he needed was a terapy!!

[PSU_Jew]

He wasn't a horrible guy, just a drug doer and dealer. He never murdered anyone; got beat up a few times. He had a pretty wasted life now that I think back.

[Laconian]

Wasn't a bad guy, just a drug doer & seller? Sorry, if you are a doper you qualify as a piece of sh!t. Psycho+logical, I've worked street narcotics for a pretty good while. I've seen users become low-level dealers to support their habit. They get their buddies, friends, family members hooked and become their dealers and branch out from there. Most of what they take in goes to their own needle or pipe. It is a vicious cycle. I watched a guy make his teenaged sister give a guy a bj because he was short on his cash to buy dope from his supplier. But its not like he committed murder or something, right? What about the teenagers that hit the pipe or needle and don't steal to get a fix they just start turning tricks, hustling for a enough cash to cop a high? Or the doper parents that give their kids to the dealer for *** 'cause their short? See these people don't need jail they need rehab.

And how many times do they just get rehab & not jail? I've seen too many dopers get court mandated rehab go the time they are supposed to, get healthy enough so they can go back to the same street, same pipe.

Addiction may be a health problem, but possession/dealing of narcotics is always a crime, in any amount. Do I think somebody popped for a roach needs to go away for a year? No, it s a misdemanor in many places, handled by probation and a fine. But if you keep having repeated offenses, its clear you have no respect for the law and the penalty needs to ratchet up.

[remo williams]

Seems kinda fishy to me. The large traffickers are already due for a decade of ass rape. you don't make to be a large trafficker if you're not already doing "other" illegal shyte.They'd face capital punishment in both countries if we could catch them. What difference to them will legalization of "smaller" quantiites make? It will however clog up the leo's at the borders on both sides. US tourists, buying,getting robbed etc by dealers/crooked cops/etc. US customs bagging those who've absentmindedly brough their "smaller" quantities with them on the trek back home. While they're fcuking w/them, what do you think will be going on behind their backs? Seems like a ballbusting diversonary tactic to me.

[anti-liberal]

You couldn't be more wrong. Can't do the time; don't do the crime. Whether its an addiction or hobby you're supporting, POSSESSION of narcotics is a CRIMINAL offense. Crime is PUNISHED with jail/prison time. IMO, you want rehab? You can get it AFTER you come out of the hole, paid for by you, not the government. If you don't have a job to pay for it you can get a student loan, or do the equivalent amount of community service to defray the cost.
I'm getting sick & tired of people making bad decisions with their lives and expecting someone else (mainly the government) to make it right for them without any repercussions. Its BS and it has to stop or we will freedom ourselves out of existence.

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