Things are out of control on the US - Mexico border.

[IsdatU]

Americans in gun sights of Mexican army
WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563)

You'd think frequent gun battles along the U.S.-Mexico border between federal agents and citizen border-monitoring groups on this side, and drug and people smugglers on the other side, would make the national headlines.

If you thought that, you'd be mistaken. Just ask Chris Simcox, owner of the Tombstone (Ariz.) Tumbleweed newspaper, and head of one such border group. He's trying to get the word out; few are listening and, apparently, that includes anyone in Washington.

In an e-mail to select correspondents last month, Simcox said there was "another" shootout very similar to others that have occurred with increasingly frequency along remote areas of the Arizona border – areas known to be frequented by drug and alien smugglers and elements of Mexican "authorities" (which often has included federal troops and police) that escort them to the border.

"Details are basically the same; shots fired, assailants get away, drugs seized," he writes. "The [Mexican] soldiers we captured on tape have been seen laying down suppression fire during the drug dealers' dash back across the border – this is not hyperbole – our guys are being fired upon from the other side of the border and they will not return fire. …"

"A high-speed car chase ended with Bisbee police, Border Patrol agents and a detail of the United States Marines coming under automatic weapons fire near the U.S./Mexico border two miles west of Naco, Ariz., on Tuesday morning, Feb. 16," reported Simcox. "Federal Bureau of Investigation agent Susan Herskovits confirmed on Wednesday that the agency is involved in the investigation, because it involves an assault on federal law-enforcement agents and involves gunfire from across the international boundary with Mexico."

On Feb. 19, says Simcox, "we had yet another incident involving automatic gunfire directed at our [law-enforcement] agents." While he says he wasn't close enough to confirm, it appeared that, at a distance, the law-enforcement "vehicles were full of bullet holes."

While none of these most recent gun battles has produced any casualties, that's not to say U.S. citizens and federal agents tasked with guarding our borders haven't been hurt or killed in this escalating border war. In 2002, U.S. Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle (****ounced egg-lee) was killed in a drug-related shooting (the perp used an AK-47). Other agents have been wounded, and American citizens captured or threatened. MORE (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563)


http://www.ranchrescue.com/images/borderpatrol_chart.jpg

[George W. Bush]

My state's socialist governor arrested some poor guy who owns a ranch near the border. He's being held without charges.

http://www.ranchrescue.com/

[IsdatU]

The Republicans are not much better than the Democrats.

The socialist Democrats want to import a voting majority while the capitalist Republicans wish to bring in cheap labor for their big business cronies.

Either way, its the American people that gets screwed.

[Jackel]

WERE UNDER SEIGE.

[usa320]

I bet the Marines ended up kicking their ass...

The MExican police cant do jack **** to a Marine Detachment.

[Johnnyringo]

I thought we were nixed from doing border patrols after that shooting incident....

I never heard of any units doing ops down there while I was in.

[Johnnyringo]

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/metropolitan/97/05/22/marines-kill.2-0.html

[Johnnyringo]

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/metropolitan/97/05/22/marines-kill.2-0.html

[Johnnyringo]

sorry... I'm an idiot

[mocking_loudly_died]

sorry... I'm an idiot

Takes away Johnny's submit button.

[jprichard]

I'am glad to see this subject being brought up here. We all need to get more vocal and bug our politicians until they do something about this. FOX news did a special hosted by Linda Vester on the border situation and Bill Oreilly brings it up from time to time. What really chaps my ass is that America's troops protect every country except their own. Their in Germany, Japan, Haiti Iraq and who knows where else. I'am not critisizing them but the politicians that give them the marching orders. If our military can liberate Europe, defeat Japan, hold the WARSAW PACT at bay,
defeat Iraq twice, surely if allowed to they could fix the border situation. I"ve heard some politicos say that the border is just too long to police effectively with out a massive amount of money and manpower. Well hey landmines and fences don't get tired, draw salaries or ask for time off. Talk about a jobs program for Americans that would employ quite a few.
Unfortunatley I think what will take is another terrorist attack in which there are mass casulties and a link to the southern border until something is done.

[Jackel]

Johnny what are you trying to post?

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Johnny what are you trying to post?

here you go genius p-)

click here to see johnny's link (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/metropolitan/97/05/22/marines-kill.2-0.html)

[Jackel]

Hey, I think Mister Bean is on. Go watch :bash:

[cut]

Hey, I think Mister Bean is on. Go watch :bash:

haha you have no sense of humour, you know that?

[Jackel]

ooh come on now I like MR B.

JUST KIDDING :D

[cut]

You should watch Black Adder

[IsdatU]

You should watch Black Adder

That is a good show!

Baldrick: "I have a cunning plan" :lol:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You'd think frequent gun battles along the U.S.-Mexico border between federal agents and citizen border-monitoring groups on this side, and drug and people smugglers on the other side, would make the national headlines.
If you thought that, you'd be mistaken. Just ask Chris Simcox, owner of the Tombstone (Ariz.) Tumbleweed newspaper, and head of one such border group. He's trying to get the word out; few are listening and, apparently, that includes anyone in Washington.
Simcox has proven beyond a doubt that he his a true loon of the black helecopter following I have read much on this guy and Ranch Rescue and any group that has the backing of America's White Power nutters is utterly discredited in my eyes but I suppose that would make them decent fellers with the " good ole boys". :lol:

[George W. Bush]

You'd think frequent gun battles along the U.S.-Mexico border between federal agents and citizen border-monitoring groups on this side, and drug and people smugglers on the other side, would make the national headlines.
If you thought that, you'd be mistaken. Just ask Chris Simcox, owner of the Tombstone (Ariz.) Tumbleweed newspaper, and head of one such border group. He's trying to get the word out; few are listening and, apparently, that includes anyone in Washington.
Simcox has proven beyond a doubt that he his a true loon of the black helecopter following I have read much on this guy and Ranch Rescue and any group that has the backing of America's White Power nutters is utterly discredited in my eyes but I suppose that would make them decent fellers with the " good ole boys". :lol:

Do you have any proof of Chris Simcocks' involvement in racist organizations?

[Quon Sen Hutt]

Instead of defending Germany from a non-existant Soviet Union, we really ought to bring our troops home and use them to secure our borders.

Of course that won't happen anytime soon which is why groups like Ranch Rescue exist.

[zenmaster]

As far as I know, the Marine detachments are a small-time volunteer force. As it turns out, I know the Marine who killed that kid. Guys from Arizona units get sent to patrol the border all the time. I've heard stories from my comrades down there about the mexican army shooting 50 cals across the border at them; apparently some of their army is bought and paid for by the drug lords. Its too bad our southern border is so open and no one does anything about it.

[MetalBoy]

Watching that special on FOX yesterday makes me want get a firearms license, pick up a nice shotgun at the local Big 5 and head to Arizona this spring break.

"So what are your spring break plans young man?"
"Oh not much, heading down to the border to patrol and maybe shoot a few armed smugglers."

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Well George W. Bush read my post again does say that Chris Simcox was involved with white power groups no it does not, I only state that he has their backing. Try reading posts for a change.
A little snippet from http://www.ranchrescue.com

The major news media in the USA and worldwide is a loosely associated group of pathological liars and Socialist tools. Propaganda and indoctrination are their objectives, not factual reporting. Please keep this fact in mind while reading any of their drivel.
Does Sixgun write for them.

I know some of you guys believe all this **** about how Mexico is gonna annex a couple of US states and that the Mexican army has cross border raids but have some sense just sit back and think about it, if this was really happening the government would send troops down there quicker than a hillbilly's heart beat and get all mad evil on their ass. Once it was the Commies then it was the UN and The New World Order then the ATF now its border jumpers, funny that, the militia types don't really **** the ATF about anymore since the Feds put the hurtin on them.:lol:
I myself would not blame any citizen in the border area for being vigilant and calling law enforcement if they see anything suspicious but to get all geared up in camo and with a rifle and start patrolling is just asking for trouble, one day some innocent is going to get hurt or the loons will pursue a Mexican back across the border and die squealing in hail of bullets from Mexican law enforcement.

[Trigger]

...if this was really happening the government would send troops down there quicker than a hillbilly's heart beat and get all mad evil on their ass...
I myself would not blame any citizen in the border area for being vigilant and calling law enforcement if they see anything suspicious but to get all geared up in camo and with a rifle and start patrolling is just asking for trouble, one day some innocent is going to get hurt or the loons will pursue a Mexican back across the border and die squealing in hail of bullets from Mexican law enforcement.
The vigilant citizens have called law enforcement ad nauseum. Guess who's getting prosecuted for trying to keep illegal immigrants/drug smugglers off their property? That's right, the vigilant citizens. I'm not making this up.
The innocent are the citizens of Arizona who can't depend on their state government to do squat to protect them from daily criminal acts by foreign nationals.
Recently elected congressman Raul Grijalva's first proclamation upon reaching Washington was to crack down on Simcox's group. Of all the problems with drugs and illegal immigration and crime, only Simcox was on his agenda.

I'm not flaming you Bacillus, but this is my backyard and I see it every day.

[Quon Sen Hutt]

What would a guy all the way in Scotland know about the situation on our border with Mexico? The Mexican "law enforcement" are on the payroll of the drug smugglers. The Mexican gov't has been lobbying our government to accept illegal immigration because their population is larger than what their economy can support.

The media is liberal, extremely so. We only have AM talk radio and FOX news for a counterpoint to the rest of the liberal media.


Chris Simcox is not involved with white power groups, so the words of
Bacilluspolymyxa are just libel.


The problem of course is that the authorities here are in collusion with Mexico. The Democrats wish to import an underclass that is dependant on social services to expand their welfare state, they are importing votes.
The republicans are in the pocket of big business, they want the cheap labor. So that is why the authorities have not been defending our border with Mexico.

The problem for landowners is that these illegals are tresspassing. They litter the environment with their trash, they cut fences which allows livestock to escape. There is also the increasing amount of banditry committed by Mexican border jumpers.

Since the government is lax, even negligent in patrolling our borders. Then we citizens must look out for ourselves.

[Old300]

As someone who grew up hunting and riding on a few ranches along the Rio Grande (mostly above Amistad), I'd like to offer my opinion that it's impossible to "close" the border. I think a lot of y'all don't realize how vast and remote West Texas is. But even at certain places within a few miles of fairly major border crossings (e.g. Del Rio and Presidio), you can walk across the border (especially in fall when the water's low or, in places, gone) unmolested, every time, guaranteed.

Even if we could send thousands of troops to the border - and we can't, of course - it wouldn't be enough. And anyway, there are a bunch of ranchers in West Texas (my father included) who'd rather have the occasional Mexican quietly walk across his property than a bunch of (well meaning) heavily armed American soldiers.

[Trigger]

As long as the occasional Mexican isn't smuggling drugs, weapons, terrorists and isn't accompanied by 50 armed friends, right?

Because that's what's happening here.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

What would a guy all the way in Scotland know about the situation on our border with Mexico?
And what would a guy from Arizona know about Socialist Europe.:)

What happens is that socialist Europe becomes more and more irrelevent.




Chris Simcox is not involved with white power groups, so your words are just libel.
I will have to go over this again, but I at no time said Simcox was involved in the white power scene so there you go it aint libel, he does have the moral backing of all the white power loons and race haters, hell the freaks at New Nation think he is a hero. Read my post again.

[Quon Sen Hutt]

http://www.ranchrescue.com/images/061800nat-border_2.jpg

http://www.ranchrescue.com/images/alien_trash.jpg

A couple of pics here to show the litter left by illegal border crossers on private property.

[Old300]

As long as the occasional Mexican isn't smuggling drugs, weapons, terrorists and isn't accompanied by 50 armed friends, right?

Because that's what's happening here.

We haven't seen that on our places. We find trash a few times a year. And every once in a while a neighbor will say that he saw some illegals and that they asked for water, but no, we've never seen or heard of illegals with "50 armed friends" or "terrorists". I'm pretty sure some of them have weapons, but, hey, that's West Texas.

Are there drugs and terrorists going across the border? Of course. But I bet you they're going through Laredo and San Diego: it's pretty tough to haul a few hundred pounds of drugs or weapons on your back 300 miles across deserts. Anyway, as I say, you couldn't stop them even if they were doing that sort of thing.

[Trigger]

Old300 wrote:

We haven't seen that on our places. We find trash a few times a year. And every once in a while a neighbor will say that he saw some illegals and that they asked for water, but no, we've never seen or heard of illegals with "50 armed friends" or "terrorists". I'm pretty sure some of them have weapons, but, hey, that's West Texas.

Are there drugs and terrorists going across the border? Of course. But I bet you they're going through Laredo and San Diego: it's pretty tough to haul a few hundred pounds of drugs or weapons on your back 300 miles across deserts. Anyway, as I say, you couldn't stop them even if they were doing that sort of thing.
There have been numerous arrests of large groups of illegals here.
Just 1 or 2 months ago there was a 'rolling gunbattle' along Interstate 10 between Tucson and Phoenix between two rival smuggling gangs. It lasted more than an hour. I believe there were at least 3 fatalities.
A border patrol officer/friend of mine has numerous times had to haul out on foot 100 to 300 pound loads of drugs that were dumped when the smugglers were sighted.
I have personally been rammed off the road in my work vehicle by a truckload of illegals. Not one stopped to see if I was dead or alive.

[Old300]

Trigger, I'm talking about the 1,000 + miles of desert wilderness between border cities and towns. We can all agree that drug smuggling is a huge problem, and that terrorist/weapons smuggling could be a huge problem, but I'm arguing that neither of these things is a problem along vast empty stretches of the border between cities. In fact, what I'm arguing is, first, that smuggling way out in the country isn't a big deal, but that, second, even if it were we couldn't do a damn thing about it because, third, we don't have enough money or men to post along the whole border and, fourth, even if we did, the ranchers who live out there wouldn't take kindly to quartering soldiers on their property (hey, that rings a bell... Something along the lines of, "No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law").

[Trigger]

The thing is, the smugglers and border crossers are just as lazy as anyone else. They rarely seek out the vast stretches of open land. They tend to use the highways because this is the fastest and most convenient way to go.

Secondly, is all that land owned by the U.S. govt.? or is it all privately owned land? We have the technology and the manpower (IMHO) to effectively patrol that border.

[Quon Sen Hutt]

we couldn't do a damn thing about it

We can build a Great Wall like China.

[Old300]

In Texas, almost all of it is private land, except for Big Bend NP.

[Old300]

we couldn't do a damn thing about it

We can build a Great Wall like China.

I'm going to take that as a joke, since for your sake I'm assuming that you realize that much of the border goes up, down, and across sheer canyons, twisting along a river that curves back on itself every few miles. And I'll also assume that you know that pretty much everybody who lives along the border depends on pores in that border to survive - not just Mexicans, but WASPy Americans like my family, too.

[Quon Sen Hutt]

Half-joke, half-real.

But if the Chinese can do it, then so can we.

[Trigger]

Then we'll be all set when the Mongolians come knockin' :lol:

[Quon Sen Hutt]

The Terrorists Next Door - Fox News Special "Breaking Point" , 23 February 2004

MS Media version (http://66.216.122.35/WMV/BKNGPOINTRWMV/fox2.wmv)

RealVideo (http://www.americanpatrol.com/04-FEATURES/040223-BREAKING_POINT_FOX/RA-1.ram)

[jprichard]

Like Quon said we need to protect our borders and not other countrys from now defunct threats. Redeploying our troops would slow down their reaction time to crisis in that part of the world but I think it's time to care of our own first. We can't airtight seal the border but with a combination of technology and manpower illegal activity could be sinificantly reduced.

[Salty Dog]

Hey, I think Mister Bean is on. Go watch :bash:

haha you have no sense of humour, you know that?

oh mr. bean with his crazy antics...

[IsdatU]

Rowan Atkinson's best role was as Edmund, Duke of Edinburgh in the Blackadder series.