MOSSAD'S KILLING MACHINE COMES TO BRITAIN

[budanski]

Globeintel and Gordon Thomas

A killing war between Israel's Mossad and Islamic fanatics came closer this weekend in Britain. The Israeli intelligence agency has sent four members of its kidon assassination squad to this country, to join fifteen other handpicked katsas, its relentless field agents.

Their brief is to "disable" any of the "close to 50" British Muslims that the extremist Islamic group, Al-Muhajiroun, last week boasted were ready to carry out suicide missions similar to the one in Tel Aviv. Al-Muhajiroun spokesman, Asif Butt, said the 50 were "primed and ready to go".

The threat was sufficient for Mossad to send its own termination squad to head off any further threat to Israel or to synagogues and other Jewish institutions in this country.

"In Mossad-speak 'disable' means taking them out permanently", said an MI5 source grimly. "We know from past experience that the kidon can make murder look like an accident. It is their speciality".

Two of the kidon are women. They have been trained to be ready to sleep with someone to obtain vital information. Former Mossad chief Meir Amit said that "*** is a woman's weapon. Pillow talk is not a problem for her. But it takes a special kind of courage - to sleep with the enemy".

Mossad often operates outside the law of this country - or any country.

In the past, it has killed terrorists in the streets of Paris, Frankfurt and other European cities. In turn, it has lost over 100 agents in the past 50 years. Their memorial is a monument shaped like a human brain in a suburb of Tel Aviv.

In Britain, they are banned from using guns or explosives. But they are equipped with long and short-blade knives and piano wire to strangle. They are also trained in the art of melting into a hostile community. Some of the team have spent time undercover in Arab capitals. They speak all the languages of the Middle East - and can pass as Islamic extremists to get close to the fanatics they have come to hunt down in Britain. Israel has openly made it clear it fears Britain has become a haven for extremist preachers and their network of organisations dedicated to sowing hatred. They cite how terrorists have been able to hire expensive lawyers to fight extradition.

For years Khalid Fawwaz, wanted in the US for his alleged role in the bombing of the American embassy in Kenya, has used the courts in Britain for the past four years to avoid extradition. The expense of his fight has cost the taxpayer £428,000.

Israel accepts that the majority of this country's 1.8 Muslims are law abiding. But it says that since the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, there has been an increase in extremists entering Britain under the guise of asylum seekers.

The attack by two British suicide bombers in Tel Aviv has led to Mossad being ordered to "carry the war to our enemies", said a senior Israeli intelligence source. The Mossad team in Britain know their actions are sanctioned by their government.

Rafi Eitan, a former director of operations, said: "we are like the official hangman or the doctor on Death Row who administers the lethal injection. We are simply fulfilling a sentence sanctioned by the prime minister of the day".

Since he has come to office, it is known that Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has "sanctioned" a number of assassinations of terrorists who could not be brought before Israeli courts.

Victor Ostrovsky, a former member of the assassination team said that kidon always use a weapon appropriate to the situation. "Strangulation if the target is to be killed at night. Sometimes an aerosol or a syringe in the jugular to deliver a fast-acting nerve agent that kills and leaves no trace".

The decision to send in the Mossad came after urgent discussions between Ariel Sharon and Downing Street last weekend. Later, Mossad's new hardman chief, Meir Dagan, called Eliza Manningham-Buller, head of MI5, and told her that his men would co-operate closely with her agents.

Next day, katsas from Mossad headquarters in Brussels had flown into Heathrow. Twenty-four hours later, the four-man kidon had arrived on an El Al flight from Israel. Supporting them are Mossad yahalomin - specialists at bugging phones and buildings. Their targets include a Leicester-based charity, Interpal. It has been accused of fund-raising for Hamas and is currently under investigation by the Charity Commissioners. Interpal insists its fund-raising is "purely humanitarian".

Although the Home Office has officially banned 20 terror groups, Mossad believes many are still operating behind Islamic front organisations.

The deployment of such a massive Mossad team is the first time it has operated in such numbers in this country since 1987.

That year, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher ordered their operations to be shut down after a "honey pot" operation to kidnap Mordechai Vananu, the whistleblower who revealed secrets about Israel's nuclear arsenal. He fled to London.

Mossad traced him and a woman agent enticed Vananu - on the promise of *** - to go with her to Rome. A Mossad team was waiting there to drug and spirit Vananu back to Israel. He is still serving a life sentence.

Now, united in common cause, Mossad and MI5 are burrowing deep into the closed world of Islamic fundamentalism in this country.

Former operations chief Rafi Eitan, who has worked secretly in Britain said: "there has always been a love-hate relationship with British intelligence. But after the suicide bomber attack last week, that is over". Nevertheless, the Mossad team will virtually operate on its own rules.

"The one rule which overrides all others is: kill or be killed. That is why the kidon are here. They can make an assassination look like the perfect accident", said an Israeli intelligence source.

SIDEBAR:

· Mossad. Israel's prime intelligence service. Formally known as Mossad le Aliyah Beth. Employs some 1,500 full-time staff. Less than 100 are field agents. But has an estimated one million informers within the Jewish Diaspora.

· Kidon. Mossad's state-backed assassination team. Based in the Negev Desert. Current strength said to be 48, six of them women. All are in their late twenties and superbly fit. Usually work in teams of four.

Their successes ...

· Dr Gerald Bull. Canadian scientist and then the world's greatest expert of ballistics. Offered his services to Saddam Hussein. On March 22, 1990, a kidon team assassinated Bull in the doorway of his Brussels apartment. Mossad's Department of Psychological Warfare planted the story that Bull had been murdered Iraqi agents because he reneged on his deal with Saddam.

· Faithi Shkaki. Head of Islamic Jihad in 1995. Returning from Libya, a kidon unit were waiting for him in Malta. As he went shopping for presents for his wife and children back in Damascus, kidon struck. Shkaki was shot six times in the head as he emerged from a shop with his wrapped gifts. The kidon escaped undetected.

· Ali Hassan Salameh. Known as "The Red Prince". The man behind the Munich massacre of the Israeli athletes in 1972. Hid for years in West Beirut until the day a kidon team, one a woman, placed a car bomb on his route to work. He was blown to bits.

... and failures.

· Yasser Arafat. On six separate occasions, Mossad tried to assassinate the PLO leader in Lebanon and Tunisia. Each time Arafat escaped at the last moment. There was a suspicion in Mossad that a mole had leaked their plans. But it was never proven.

· Khalid Meshel. Fanatical Hamas leader. Lived near King Hussein's palace in Amman, Jordan. Father of seven children. In September, 1997, a kidon team tried to inject him on a street with a new lethal nerve agent. They failed. The uproar led to an international outcry. The kidon returned to Israel but were transferred to border patrol work.

[Sulph8]

Good luck to them. I hope they wipe out as much of those filthy terrorists as possible. One correction though, the Mossad is not short for Ha'Mossad Le'aliyah Bet, that is a completely different organization which i dont think exists any more. The Mossad is actually short for Ha'Mossad Le'Modiin U'le'Tafkidim Meyuchadim, or The Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks.

[budanski]

Are you sure its not Mossad Mekaleka-Hi Meka Heini-Ho? I could be wrong and it might be Mossad Mekaleka-Hi Meka Chani-Ho.

[FunkyDrummer]

Are you sure its not Mossad Mekaleka-Hi Meka Heini-Ho? I could be wrong and it might be Mossad Mekaleka-Hi Meka Chani-Ho.


hahahahahahahahaha.

very clever :D

[Sulph8]

hey! Shut up, you all do the same thing when someone talks about a weapon or American unit wrong. Thats just what makes this board good, theres always someone to correct all the minute details, so we get a nice efficient information flow.

[MEGR]

I am all for the Israelis and their war on terrorism. I hope that they get these scumbags and not put them away, but remove them permanently from the face of this Earth.

[Sirpad]

That exactly what we, man - exactly what we do...

[He219]

Scumbags to some, but who are the scumbags that want the other scumbags to be succumbed - by being judge, jury and executioner at the some time. And when it's the other way around it's terrorism. No one is above the Law, no-one......

[globe]

Terror to fight terror. Sounds very 'Swordfish'. :roll:

[hood]

Well, it's not really terrorism as they're eliminating what they see as the problem with as much subtlety as possible. Where possible, in a way that doesn't even look like an attack. That's not really a tactic that's meant to strike terror. Terrorist acts are usually as overt as possible.

[He219]

Problems to some, cause for others.....

[shaky]

Plus they're not attacking or killing civilians like terrorists do 90% of the time.


And even if it was terror on terror, what's wrong with that? Doesn't the Bible mention an eye for an eye?? I suppose that's too harsh for some people to deal with, but I think the people in Jerusalem understand.


It's not like Swordfish, but if it were you could bet your ass that there would be fewer terrorist attacks. But again, too harsh for some to deal with. :(

[He219]

Shaky: "too harsh for some to deal with."

Some call it methodically draconian. We've seen it before. An Ironic role-reversal......

The propaganda machines of the Jewish and Nazi states spew out the same mendacious propaganda: the invasion of the ghettos and destruction of the resistence are portrayed as "defensive policies", the destruction of the social fabric of society is described as destroying the terrorist infrastructure.

http://www.rebelion.org/petras/english/jenin020502.htm

Counterrpoint:

http://members.rogers.com/counterpoint/freedomfighting.html

[globe]

What I meant was terrorising terrorists using similar tactics like assasinations and car bombs which is what Mossad is doing.

Shaky,
Only if you are a Jew. Jesus said something else, but we will leave it as that. ;)
Shalom!

[warchild1/27scout]

go mosasad,go.can they come here next.we need thier help woot

[shaky]

No I'm not Jewish, but that's beside the point.

I was wondering why people think it is wrong for the Mossad to kill terrorists using methods like strangulation with piano wire? As long as it is a known terrorist I don't see a problem with it. Piano wire is a helluva lot cheaper than a GPS guided bomb, a bulldozer, any gun, or any other tool to kill the terrorist. And it's much safer for innocent people in the vicinity of the terrorist.

Negotiating, bulldozing, and forcing people away from their homes will only get you so far. Then another method needs to be considered. And just because it's in an article now don't think it hasn't been happening for a long time, and don't think it's just the Mossad that's doing it.

Nobody is condoning genocide, in any form. This is an article about a small Israeli team that surgically, and quietly, kills high value enemies.

[JayHawk]

budanski,

where did you find this news-item?


Cheers,

JayHawk

[warchild1/27scout]

hey,they dont have politically correctness in isreal.they got life or death.the ends do justify the means.they will kill anyboby and do anything to survive.

[FunkyDrummer]

No I'm not Jewish, but that's beside the point.

I was wondering why people think it is wrong for the Mossad to kill terrorists using methods like strangulation with piano wire?

I'm wondering why anybody would even care how the Mossad kills terrorists at all;
just be glad they're killing 'em and doing a good job at that. It kills me how there's always somebody who'll step up in defense of some a**hole terrorist's "human rights". Come ON.

These peoples' "rights" went out the window the day they decided to indiscriminately murder innocent civilians who had nothing to do with whatever pissed them off to begin with.

Case in point: John Walker Lindh. What a pathetic, embarrasing thing that is. Not what he did, but how we dealt with him. I can't think of a better example of how Mossad-style justice could have been applied to appropriately deal with a true terrorist/criminal/traitor. And it could have been done right there, that day. Instead, he was given less of a sentence than a 3-Strikes felon in California.

[Sulph8]

I agree 100%

[Gordon]

If only the British government had let the SAS setup something similar to Mossad against the IRA and all that business would have been sorted out decades ago.

[Sulph8]

Actually, I believe the SAS and Mossad have a close relationship. Heres an excerpt from Gideon's Spies, by Gordon Thomas.


Six weeks before the execution of Abu Jihad, Mossad had played an important role in another controversial assassination--that of three unarmed members of the IRA shot dead on a Sunday afternoon in Gibraltar by a team of Britain's Special Air Service marksmen.

In previous years, some of their colleagues from British intelligence had been secretly brought to Tel Aviv by Rafi Eitan to witness firsthand how Mossad executed Arab terrorists in the back streets of Beirut and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

For months before the Gibraltar shootings, Mossad agents begun their own surveillance of Mairead Farrell, Sean Savage, and Daniel McCann in the belief they were once more on a "shopping spree for Arab arms for the IRA"

Mossad's close interest in the activities of the IRA went back to the time when the Thatcher government had, in utmost secrecy, brought Rafi Eitan to Belfast to brief the security forces on the developing links between the Irish terror groups and Hezbollah.

"I arrived on a rainy day. It rained every day I was in Ireland. I told the British all we knew. Then I went on a tour of the province all the way to the border with the Republic. I was careful not to cross over. Imagine what the Irish government would have said if they'd picked me up! Before I left I arranged for the SAS to come to Israel so they could see something of our methods in handeling terrorists."

From those early beginnings a close working relationship developed between the SAS and Mossad. Senior Mossad officers would regularly travel to SAS headquarters in Hereford to brief special forces on operations in the Middle East. On at least one occasion a joint Mossad-SAS unit trailed several high-ranking IRA men from Belfast to Beirut and photographed them in meetings with Hezbollah leaders.


If you want, i can type up the rest about the operation in Gibraltar.

[He219]

There is a reason why an Executive Order exists (existed?) barring US State Sponsored Assasinations. It's called Due Process. That is if you believe in the Principles of the US Constitution.

Granted that we are in an Unconventional War against Terrorism and that Unconventional Tactics Should be employed. I also believe that broad discretion Is being applied. We just don't hear all the details. Take Afghanistan. Taliban and Al Qaeda figures are targeted for termination through a variety of means including this one....

http://www.vampirebat.com/obeythefist/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv

At the same time there is a flipside. Rehavam Ze'evi was known as one of the most hardline Israeli politicians - an advocate of deporting Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza to Arab countries. He also referred to some Palestinians - those working illegally in Israel - as "lice" who must be stopped like "cancer spreading within us". He too was targeted for elimination.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1603857.stm

Targeting of individuals that are a Clear and Present Threat to A nations' citizens - is in my mind justified. By no means am I attempting to justify the assatination of Rehavam Ze'evi. The determination of who has discretion to authorise such sanctions and the oversight to protect individual rights and freedoms we value in a democracy come into play.

At what point does implementing Terrorist tactics legitimize Terrorism itself?

Does the systematic roundup of young men aged 15 to 60 years old and their detention in concentration camps qualify as a draconian measure? (Concentration camps are a British invention not to be confused with the Death Camps of Nazi Germany. Manzinar qualifies as a Concentration Camp).
Are Pregnant Women, Children, Mentally disabled, and innocent bystanders killed just collateral damage? What is the Death Count in Israel and in the Occupied Territories right now; what percentage of those killed were actual combatants? There Terror goes both ways.

If we embrace Terrorism to fight Terrorism in order to suit our own needs and purposes - would we any better than 'them' in breakig from our own values and principles? What are your values?

p-)
He219


P.s. My best friend experienced the WTC attacks first hand. He was There. His accounts are with me forever. Don't confuse emotion with reason.

[Royal]

Actually, I believe the SAS and Mossad have a close relationship. Heres an excerpt from Gideon's Spies, by Gordon Thomas.

I've not read the book, but from the quote below, he know's jack about the Gibraltar shootings.


that of three unarmed members of the IRA shot dead on a Sunday afternoon in Gibraltar by a team of Britain's Special Air Service marksmen.

Unarmed? Carrying triggers for a massive car bomb, due to be denonated at a changing of the guard ceremony packed with tourists. Marksmen? The terrorists were killed with pistols at close range, hardly a marksmans job.

[shaky]

He219 I do not believe that anyone is talking about using terrorism to fight terrorism.

This thread is not about 'us' or how our government operates, it's about the Mossad. The Israeli government/country/situation is very much different than ours, and US executive orders certainly do not apply to them.

The Mossad as a whole do not use terrorist tactics. They don't blow themselves up on buses, in cafes, or at street corners with the sole purpose of killing civilians.

Assassination is very different than terrorism, as it eliminates a specific threat or threats. Whereas terrorism is meant to terrorize the general public, hoping that it will either bring awareness to the situation or stop whatever circumstances/actions the terrorist feels are unjust. Apples and oranges.

What is so different about some of the actions of the coveted Seal/Delta teams that do snatch & grab type ops and the Mossad assassinating people? There is one thing different: they snatch people that would be of some use. Either the person would be able to give some information that is needed, they will be used as a bargaining chip in some greater goal, or be used for propaganda purposes of course. If a person is not needed then they would be killed, and yes our government does that too. You also have to remember that the ban on assassination does not apply during wartime, so as long as there is a 'war on terror', a 'war on drugs', etc. the ban does not apply.

[Sulph8]

@Royal, Yeah i thought that was a bit strange when I read it, but I think what he meant was 'unarmed' in the sense they didnt have any guns on them. I guess he didnt explain that particular operation in detail but trust me the book is a good one overall.

[martinexsquaddie]

There's a good reason Gibaltar stye shooitngs don't happen anymore in the long term they were found to be counter productive thats why the SAS tended to arrest terrorists instead somone serving 20 years insn't a martyr. Thats said all is not happy in provo land seems there may have been up to 5 highly place british agents in the provisional IRA and the men in balacalvas are getting very paranoid I wish them and all there ilk a long miserable retirement not being able to trust anyone and having to live with the fact there whole life has been a waste.
Mossad assassins on the streets of the UK I don't think so. Killing of UK citizens by a foreign power is an act of war. Oh sorry Israel has a right to kill anyone it likes.
For instance TOM HURNELL 21 shot in broad day light while rescueing children he was wearing a dayglo vest one round in the head hardly caught in crossfire IDF forces admit fireing only one round.
James Miller shot while approaching an IDF apc asking permission to leave the area carrying a white flag while waving a torch IDF claim the apc had been fired on my an RPG. Embarrisingly for the IDF film shot by Mr Hurnell and others shows no such attack.
While mistakes can be made in conflicts its beginining to look like Israel wants no independant witnesses in the west bank. Shooting at a British Diplomatic Convoy does not really help your case mate much either.

[steel bonnet]

Hi All,
Well as a Brit,l`m happy we have someone taking the steps in this Country to STOP the terrorists DEAD in there tracks.
It`s always the bleeding hearts sticking up for the terrorists. Though when it comes to taking them down,there always the first to say unfair,Unlawfull. yet is it fine for terrorists to Kill innocent Civilians,NO.

l agreed with the Shoot to kill in N.I & l agree with the take down of ANY terrorist groups KNOWN to attack Civilians.
For if they were really Soldiers of there God,surely fighting there enemies Soldiers would earn them there place,next to there god?

Add to that,the UK since Blair has been in has opened the floodgates to illegal immigrants. l`m NOT being RACIST here,l understand political Seekers,though l hate the idea of Financial Seekers.
Add to that most l`ve seen don`t have there families & there all young MEN. Surely if they were fleeing in terror & as there`s that many young men,why aren`t they fighting & dying trying to remover there nations Oppressors ???

Also perfect camouflage for terrorst cells to move into countries,claiming tobe refugees,Seekers.

As said we let Mossad take them down in the UK & actually UK Gov should provide assist on there ops.

Oh as for the SAS & Gibaltar incident,main reason that won`t happen again,is there`s NO protection for them from the Crown. Which in l beleive the Police & MoD should have,as they have there own boards of inquiries for Misconduct. No reason that should have made it to the civilian courts,same as the Bloody Sunday incident,those serving then,where there for the Crown & Goverment.
Another case of Political Correctness going MAD.

Ja
steel Bonnet

[martinexsquaddie]

Oh for gods sake no police and MOD have to be accountable to the Law or else. You get the FRU ****-up or a hundred other police problems.
There suppoused to be working for the state A state is allowed to use Lethal force but it must be accountable otherwise.
quote from buffy the vampire slayer.
WHY CAn't there be special rules for special people.
what you mean like a facist regime
yeah why can't we have one of those.
No SAS man has gone to JAIL for anything they have done on Duty they have been questioned in court that is part of due process.
The Problem with wiping terrorists out shoot to kill style is the wrong people get killed as in the stalker inquiry proved which sort of defeats the object. As my brother said we've been told to look out for people who cut themselves shaving they could have removed a beard:).

[steel bonnet]

As for Special Rules for Special people.

l think where CRW & CT Operators are concerned,there SHOULD BE Special Rules. There already HAND Picked men for the Job,so why not,Not like your going to get "Mr J.Rambo" in one of those Units.

So yes l think they should be Protected & at the end of the day,we in the UK have suffered with terrorism for a long time,units like these protected from the law COULD & l believe WOULD make the difference.

To a part also setting these & similar units onto the yardies & other organised crime gangs,would certainly make the difference.

After all the people have got that MANY Rights,NOW we`re suffering Serious Crimes/terrorism via those RIGHTS. Maybe a Steel hand IS neccessery to stem that.
As the UK Policies on Drugs. Hit the dealers & NOT the users. Personally ANYONE Associated with drugs (Importer,Courier,Dealer & User) Should ALL be dealt with STRONGLY. Stop the farting around & Scare them from the UK. Those still wanting it,EXILE them from the UK too.

After all we all know Terrorism works with Drugs as a means to an end (even the IRA show`d it`s true colours of being dealers & terrosrists).

ja
Steel bonnet

[Royal]

I'm gald to see that National Socialism is alive and well in the UK.

If any part of the security apparatus is above the rule of law, surely we are on the slippery slope to totalitarianism.

Rules of engagement (as in NI) prevent us from that slide. There is no, and never has been a proscription from shooting to kill IF there is a threat to life, perceived by the firer. Who's life, oppo or bystander is irrelevant.

It can thus be argued that both Gibraltar and Bloody Sunday fall into the catagory of leaglity (if the soldiers involved claim they beleived there was a threat to life, as they did).

I could even, I guess, be argued that a pre-emptive strike is legal on the same terms, though I doubt it would stand up in court at the moment.

By the way the legal basis of this (in the UK) is in common law, not some recent act of parliament (which is why things are slightly different in Scotland).

[shaky]

But don't you people see that the courts is where things get screwy?

To quote a line from a Stallone movie named Cobra:

"As long as we have to play by these bull**** rules and the killer doesn't, we lose."


Yup.

[MEGR]

Can Americans join the mossad?

[Sulph8]

Well traditionally no one could join, the Mossad would approach whoever they were looking at and ask you. But recently they changed it so you can apply but you probably still have a small chance of getting in.
As for if foreigners can get in, im not sure.

Heres the online ad and application if you want to take a look, wait for the flash thing to finish or click the word in the bottom right corner to skip, then click the English form button.
http://www.mohr.gov.il/intro_flash.html

[Royal]

But don't you people see that the courts is where things get screwy?

To quote a line from a Stallone movie named Cobra:

"As long as we have to play by these bull**** rules and the killer doesn't, we lose."

:cantbeli:

Your argument relies on a Stallone film? I give up.

[shaky]

LOL, no my argument does not rely on a Stallone film. Rather, I remembered that line when reading some of the comments and felt it was appropriate.


Regardless of where the line comes from, it's true.

[martinexsquaddie]

As the wankfest continues over how great Mossad is.
Heres some real life to puncture your fantasy
Back during the last gulf war two mossad agents were caught in the captial of cyprus trying to tap into the telephone switch box outside the Syrian embassy with a big telephone engineers tools and there excuse when questioned by a cypriot policeman we were looking for a public Toilet
:)
and you want to let prats like that loose killing anyone they think is a terrorist?

[Sulph8]

F*ck off retard! Of course there are screw ups, you only hear when they screw up but for every one of those there are hundreds of successful ops.
So f*ck off and go back to the kiddie **** web board you came from.

[JayHawk]

:roll:

Relax, mate!

Of course we only hear about the screw-ups, it's sad that we know little about the succesful ops, but hey, "We work in the shadows so that others can play in the sunlight"! :lol:


Remember?


That's life..., that's the name of the game, unfortunately.... I don't like it either, people just don't understand...


Cheers,

JayHawk

[Sulph8]

Im sorry, i can get emotional.

[martinexsquaddie]

I still don't think a bunch of murders running around killing people who may or may not be terrorists. Is a terribly bright idea from a state that ran over a hippy and killed a man wearing a day glo vest. The targeted
assainations haven't really helped stem suicide bombings yet have they?

[Sulph8]

First of all, they arnt guessing who is and isnt a terrorist, they already know, thats what intelligence agencies do, they arent uninformed fools like you.

Second, any moron in a dayglow vest or otherwise, deserves to get shot if hes stupid enough to walk into a firefight and stand next to terrorists who only benefit from his death.

And yes the targeted killings have saved at least hundreds of people, but unfortunately the media tends not to report terror attacks that don't materialize. Thats the point, its called prevention and it works.

The Israeli military has at no point intended to solve the conflict militarily, thats not its job. But it has done, and is doing, an excelent job of minimizing the capability of terrorists as much as possible - all the terror attacks that have happened are only 10% of those launched by terrorists, the other 90% is thwarted by security forces.

The tactic of destroying the homes of suicide bombers is a PROVEN method as many potentials have changed their minds or turned themselves in.

The tactic of destroying objects used as cover for terrorists who fire on Israelis is a PROVEN method. Recently, after Hamas used the Gaza strip area of Beit Hanoun to fire Qasam rockets into Israel, the IDF launched incusions into the area and destroyed a bomb factory aswell as destroying some houses and orchards used as cover for the terrorists. The residents in that area then displayed a spark of inspiration in this conflict when they openly held furious protests against the terrorist groups who use their land for their own bull**** purposed, they are sick of it. They even put out some armed patrols to ward of those groups from trying it again.

[Nasty Bastard]

First of all, they arnt guessing who is and isnt a terrorist, they already know, thats what intelligence agencies do, they arent uninformed fools like you.

No need for personal attacks. Agreed, intelligence organisations aren't often silly, but since when does due process not matter? This is essentially an armed incursion on the territory of a sovereign country. If someone who lived in your house broke a neighbours window, how would you feel if the neighbour walked into your house and kneecapped the window-breaker?


Second, any moron in a dayglow vest or otherwise, deserves to get shot if hes stupid enough to walk into a firefight and stand next to terrorists who only benefit from his death.

No argument there.


And yes the targeted killings have saved at least hundreds of people, but unfortunately the media tends not to report terror attacks that don't materialize. Thats the point, its called prevention and it works.
The Israeli military has at no point intended to solve the conflict militarily, thats not its job. But it has done, and is doing, an excelent job of minimizing the capability of terrorists as much as possible - all the terror attacks that have happened are only 10% of those launched by terrorists, the other 90% is thwarted by security forces.

Again, I can't disagree with you, except that we don't know what sort of success rate intelligence organisations really have in stopping terrorist attacks.


The tactic of destroying the homes of suicide bombers is a PROVEN method as many potentials have changed their minds or turned themselves in.

I'm going to call you on this one. I'll say that its a load of bull****. Give us a source that proves it.

You're telling me that if I was afraid you'd attack me, then you would be discouraged if I bulldozed your house? Utter crap. You'd be out for blood.



The tactic of destroying objects used as cover for terrorists who fire on Israelis is a PROVEN method. Recently, after Hamas used the Gaza strip area of Beit Hanoun to fire Qasam rockets into Israel, the IDF launched incusions into the area and destroyed a bomb factory aswell as destroying some houses and orchards used as cover for the terrorists. The residents in that area then displayed a spark of inspiration in this conflict when they openly held furious protests against the terrorist groups who use their land for their own bull**** purposed, they are sick of it. They even put out some armed patrols to ward of those groups from trying it again.

An anecdote does not a proven fact make. For every one of these stories, I'd bet that you'll find three that contradict it.


Just remember that whatever we allow our governments to do today against terrorists will tomorrow be used against trade unionists, students, and opposing political parties.

[Sulph8]

The house demolitions do work because these people do care about their families. The method was created because countries such as Saudi Arabia and formerly Iraq were paying 25 thousand dollars to the families of anyone that carries out a bombing. So now they also have something to lose.

I would love to stay and explain a little more but its late and i have a flight tomorrow and i will be going away for quite a long time. So i will take this chance to say farewell to everyone, its been nice talking to you all and if i have a chance i will try and find an internet cafe somewhere so i can check up on my buddies here ok.

[shaky]

Have a good trip/journey Sulph8! Be safe.

[Nasty Bastard]

The house demolitions do work because these people do care about their families. The method was created because countries such as Saudi Arabia and formerly Iraq were paying 25 thousand dollars to the families of anyone that carries out a bombing. So now they also have something to lose.

$25k US is serious money in that part of the world. All my info says that the Israelis bulldoze homes en masse in retaliation for bombings. Surely that only creates more resentment amongst those who have done nothing wrong in the first place (unless it is a crime to be Palestinian), but I'm willing to be proved wrong.

Have a safe trip, hope you can post again soon.