Sound suppresor manufacturers?

[moughoun]

ok, so I'm looking for a list of the main manufacteres of suppressors for assault rifles, I know Gemtech, KAC, Surefire, so any help is appriciated:)

[Catch22]

http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/bruggerthomet.php?th=1&uth=1

Bruegger und Thomet for starters

[Swedish Chef]

Check out silencertest.com (http://www.silencertests.com/silencer-forum/). They should be able to help you.

[jerka71_1]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7505/cokebj0io.jpg

[Lazarou]

Canadian Tactical is the main distributor of Finnish BR, Ase-Utra and SAK suppressors in North America. Top-notch silencers.

http://www.canadiantactical.ca/

Ase-Utra: http://aseutra.fi/
BR: http://guns.connect.fi/br/index.php
SAK: http://www.ouluntyostokeskus.com/

[scm77]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7505/cokebj0io.jpg Although that's an awesome Coke can, and I'd love to have it, what does that have to do with this topic? (Unless Coke makes suppressors) :lol:

[Hydro]

A tremendously witty nod to the fact suppressors are referred to sometimes as "cans".

[Sneeker]

i still have a few of those hanging around. What are they worth???

[Royal]

http://www.fieldofgreens.us/Bottle%20Coke.jpg

are better.

[Geezah]

Someone did use a plastic bottle;)
http://www.silencertests.com/albums/Improvised/btpetflasce.sized.jpg
Link (http://www.silencertests.com/gallery/Improvised/btpetflasce)

[Hollis]

Someone did use a plastic bottle;)

Link (http://www.silencertests.com/gallery/Improvised/btpetflasce)

Yep, with tennis balls, They are simple, cheap, and have a realitively short life and will not work on High Power ammo, more for sub sonic 22 LR and will get you up to a $200,000 USD fine and up to 10 Years in a federal slammer, not to mention state penalties.

it is really cheaper to go to a class III dealer, pay the $200 USD stamp, service charge and price of the can.

If you don't use subsonic ammo, you will still hear a sonic crack. Also on guns like the AR15, you get more back pressure in the gas operating system.

I wish suppressors were more easily obtainable, buggest gripe about shooting from neighbors is the noise.. Suppressor are a simple fix. BUT again unless you reload, sub sonic ammo is not cheap nor always sub sonic.

[Geezah]

Yep, the firearm I'm shooting in my avatar is a M16 lower with 9MM intergral surpressor upper, you can hear the sonic crack and that's it.

[Hollis]

Yep, the firearm I'm shooting in my avatar is a M16 lower with 9MM intergral surpressor upper, you can hear the sonic crack and that's it.

if you reload, 147 grain bullet you can load subsonic, and all you will hear is the action and the thud, as the bullet hits dirt. The commercial "subsonic" 147 grain 9mm... is not so subsonic. I have a few friends with Class III license, and it is very interesting to watch and Hear.

[Geezah]

if you reload, 147 grain bullet you can load subsonic, and all you will hear is the action and the thud, as the bullet hits dirt. The commercial "subsonic" 147 grain 9mm... is not so subsonic. I have a few friends with Class III license, and it is very interesting to watch and Hear.

It's not actually mine, it belongs to a SWAT Officer that Durandal and myself shoot with on a regular basis.
The ammo being used is Wolf, I purchase WWB normally, but he said that Winchester ammo will void his warranty on the silencer.

[Hollis]

It's not actually mine, it belongs to a SWAT Officer that Durandal and myself shoot with on a regular basis.
The ammo being used is Wolf, I purchase WWB normally, but he said that Winchester ammo will void his warranty on the silencer.

I think it was Winchester commercial 147 Gr 9MM that was Not so subsonic. Wolf seems to have really cleaned up their act. Obviously if your getting the "crack", then your load is too hot for "sub sonic". The neat thing on reloading I can control that.

[wamp]

Our Sheriff used to be pretty good about signing off on stuff, but recently there is an investigation where a mans neighbor is complaining that he is shooting squirrels, cats, etc with a suppressed weapon. No charges have been filed yet but now he wont sign off on suppressors. SBR, AOW, Class III FA is fine though :/

[dangerdan87]

Yep, with tennis balls, They are simple, cheap, and have a realitively short life and will not work on High Power ammo, more for sub sonic 22 LR and will get you up to a $200,000 USD fine and up to 10 Years in a federal slammer, not to mention state penalties.

it is really cheaper to go to a class III dealer, pay the $200 USD stamp, service charge and price of the can.

If you don't use subsonic ammo, you will still hear a sonic crack. Also on guns like the AR15, you get more back pressure in the gas operating system.

I wish suppressors were more easily obtainable, buggest gripe about shooting from neighbors is the noise.. Suppressor are a simple fix. BUT again unless you reload, sub sonic ammo is not cheap nor always sub sonic.

That bottle is legal, if you file a Form 1 with the ATF for $200. Once approved, you can make a suppressor legally.

Screw subsonic ammo. SS rounds can cause the weapon not to cycle like it should if the weapon is semi-auto. And usually SS ammo isn't very stable.

Whats more expensive than supressors are Regestered Receivers :-(
All I want is a $10k + M16 lower receiver and a can :-(

[Freibier]

Here in Germany you only can get suppressors if you have a license to hunt in built up areas.
The cokebottle adapters are free though :)
One of my hunter colleagues has a finish Reflex suppressor - can't compare noise reduction with other brands but it was rather inexpensive.
Link to their UK outlet:
http://www.reflexsuppressors.co.uk/

[Hollis]

Screw subsonic ammo. SS rounds can cause the weapon not to cycle like it should if the weapon is semi-auto. And usually SS ammo isn't very stable.

:-(

For 9mm very doable, because 147 grain loads start in the sub sonic range. For High power Yes.. Cases are generally to large for the load, which would cause dangerously high chamber pressures. For a 308 subsonic load, 200 grain bullet one needs a case the size of 7.62 X39 round. a twist of 1 in 8 or 1 in 7 for a very accurate load. AK have slower twist for the 123 grain bullet. There is a webite on development of Subsonic rifles and ammo. Sadly I can not remember the name, something like 30 swift.. (but swift is not the word) they have a 50 cal subsonic, very accurate.

Yes one needs the $200 stamp, BATF does not care what the suppressor looks like.

Yep those receiver are very expensive, I saw some Sten guns at a gun show, starting at $3500........ ouch

[Geezah]

Fiocchi 9mm 158grn FMJ Subsonic (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of_9mm.html)

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[rambone]

Mr friend has bought a few suppressors from Advanced Armaments in Georgia, they are really good. He put one on his NSW sig226 that thing sounds like a gnat farting.

[Durandal]

www.silencertests.com

I shoot with several members of that of that forum. The guys that buy and have experience are there. They can answer your questions, probably, better than anyone here.

They just had a silencer ONLY shoot last weekend down in Georgia. I am still waiting to see the pictures my friend took. Our friend won a 77/22 Vidar at the shoot...lucky bastard.

http://www.lrmfirearms.com/images/515_B7722VIDAR8.jpg

There is a lot to keep in mind though when buying a silencer for a rifle, almost more than buying a gun. There is a lot less to worry about for pistol/sub cans...or so it seems.

Like I said, go to www.silencertests.com

[Roaming East]

was thinking of buying a threaded barrel for my USP. SC isnt too restrictive with silencers. wasnt sure if it was totally compatible without a modified slide though.

[bp_968]

www.silencertests.com

I shoot with several members of that of that forum. The guys that buy and have experience are there. They can answer your questions, probably, better than anyone here.

They just had a silencer ONLY shoot last weekend down in Georgia. I am still waiting to see the pictures my friend took. Our friend won a 77/22 Vidar at the shoot...lucky bastard.

http://www.lrmfirearms.com/images/515_B7722VIDAR8.jpg

There is a lot to keep in mind though when buying a silencer for a rifle, almost more than buying a gun. There is a lot less to worry about for pistol/sub cans...or so it seems.

Like I said, go to www.silencertests.com

Man I didn't know you guys hung out so much on here. Now I found a new place to widdle my time away at work.

I am almost done with all the wedding photos and Ill try to finnish up some more of the silencershoot photos this week.

147gr (even hotter loads like those fiacohi<sp>) are fine in a 5" or shorter barrel.

Geezah, #93's LRM should not have been "cracking" with any ammo.

[Durandal]

Man I didn't know you guys hung out so much on here. Now I found a new place to widdle my time away at work.

I am almost done with all the wedding photos and Ill try to finnish up some more of the silencershoot photos this week.

147gr (even hotter loads like those fiacohi<sp>) are fine in a 5" or shorter barrel.

Geezah, #93's LRM should not have been "cracking" with any ammo.

Uh, oh, now we are in trouble. Another shooting buddy has joined up. What's up man!

[Geezah]

Man I didn't know you guys hung out so much on here. Now I found a new place to widdle my time away at work.

I am almost done with all the wedding photos and Ill try to finnish up some more of the silencershoot photos this week.

147gr (even hotter loads like those fiacohi<sp>) are fine in a 5" or shorter barrel.

Geezah, #93's LRM should not have been "cracking" with any ammo.

I'm over here all the time, I sometimes stray over to ARFcom.

Looking forward to the silencer shoot pics.

I put the cracking of the ammo down to it not being subsonic, because when it breaks the sound barrier you're going to get a slight sonic boom.......aren't you?
Here's one vids where you can clearly hear a crack when shooting the cardboard targets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWaa1d_PD3E

[Durandal]

I'm over here all the time, I sometimes stray over to ARFcom.

Looking forward to the silencer shoot pics.

I put the cracking of the ammo down to it not being subsonic, because when it breaks the sound barrier you're going to get a slight sonic boom.......aren't you?
Here's one vids where you can clearly hear a crack when shooting the cardboard targets.


#93's barrel is ported and silenced. In THEORY (or at least as I understand it), the rounds should coming out slow to begin with. Sure the crack is not from something else being shot and the camera picked it up?

[Geezah]

I guess the best way to test it would be to bench test it with a radar?
But the crack sure sounds as though the rnds are going super sonic.........just sayin.

[bp_968]

I guess the best way to test it would be to bent test it witha radar?
But the crack sure sounds as though the rnds are going super sonic.........just sayin.


nah. Just stand down range (perferably behind something thick) and listen to the bullet go by. if it is a "zipping" or "wooshing" sound its subsonic, if its a "snapping" or "cracking" sound its supersonic. FYI, you can hear the bullets "woosh" past you when you are over 100 feet from the path of the bullet. no need to shoot apples of your head to hear it.


(ETA: Standing down range should only be done by non-morons. According to all first hand reports I have, being shot is extremely unpleasant and ranks firmly in the "this sucks!" category, avoid inflight bullets at all costs).

And remember children, only *YOU* can prevent brush fires! p-)

[dangerdan87]

Ops Inc makes the best suppressors it seems. -40 db reduction and actually increases accuracy.

[bp_968]

Ops Inc makes the best suppressors it seems. -40 db reduction and actually increases accuracy.

Be real careful what you read from the manufactorers and from websites.

If your looking for a 5.56 suppressor most of the majors are good: AAC, SWR, Gemtech, Ops-Inc, Knights, YHM. They all sound excellent. The Gemtech, AAC, and SWR sounded the best in person when I was able to shoot them.

I bought the AAC M4-2000. Great suppressor, though their customer service leaves some to be desired.

[dangerdan87]

The KAC i tested had som serious POI change. AAC and SWR make some great suppressors, but I still liked the Ops Inc 12th model.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Be real careful what you read from the manufactorers and from websites.

If your looking for a 5.56 suppressor most of the majors are good: AAC, SWR, Gemtech, Ops-Inc, Knights, YHM. They all sound excellent. The Gemtech, AAC, and SWR sounded the best in person when I was able to shoot them.

I bought the AAC M4-2000. Great suppressor, though their customer service leaves some to be desired.I have fired several suppressed rifles and one suppressed .22 pistol and so far the best reduction I have heard is from the Finnish Reflex suppressor, it's a lot cheaper than some of the US makes as well. I once fired a .22 pistol with a Parker Hale suppressor and with a couple brands of sub sonic ammo the results were pretty good.

[bp_968]

I have fired several suppressed rifles and one suppressed .22 pistol and so far the best reduction I have heard is from the Finnish Reflex suppressor, it's a lot cheaper than some of the US makes as well. I once fired a .22 pistol with a Parker Hale suppressor and with a couple brands of sub sonic ammo the results were pretty good.

Have you fired US made suppressors? My information from a few people who have fired both is the US made suppressor is quieter, just not inexpensive for the same level of robustness.

The reflexes are also difficult to find in the USA (due to import restrictions). A few makers will do them as custom jobs though.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Have you fired US made suppressors? My information from a few people who have fired both is the US made suppressor is quieter, just not inexpensive for the same level of robustness.

The reflexes are also difficult to find in the USA (due to import restrictions). A few makers will do them as custom jobs though.Never fired a rifle with a US suppressor fitted but I have heard a BRNO .22 fitted with a Gemtech .22 can and I can honestly say that it was no quieter than a .22 Jet-Z can and Jet-Z can come at under £70 rather than the £200 plus for the .22 Gemtech. There is as far as I am aware no importer for Gemtech in the UK in fact very few dealers stock US suppressors, I think it has little to do with costs though, as a Jet-Z for .338 can cost up to £375 .
Some folks have said that Reflex cans can sing a little if fitted to standard barrels, my mate had a neoprene sleeve made for his Refex which seems to work.

[Jippo]

Some folks have said that Reflex cans can sing a little if fitted to standard barrels, my mate had a neoprene sleeve made for his Refex which seems to work.

They don't sing on an assault rifle for sure, wouldn't know about hunting rifles.


-jippo

[bp_968]

Never fired a rifle with a US suppressor fitted but I have heard a BRNO .22 fitted with a Gemtech .22 can and I can honestly say that it was no quieter than a .22 Jet-Z can and Jet-Z can come at under £70 rather than the £200 plus for the .22 Gemtech. There is as far as I am aware no importer for Gemtech in the UK in fact very few dealers stock US suppressors, I think it has little to do with costs though, as a Jet-Z for .338 can cost up to £375 .
Some folks have said that Reflex cans can sing a little if fitted to standard barrels, my mate had a neoprene sleeve made for his Refex which seems to work.

The price difference is due to excessive regulation. Like most things the government touches, their meddling only increases costs.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

They don't sing on an assault rifle for sure, wouldn't know about hunting rifles.


-jippoI am sure it was well fitted, the rifle in question is a .222 BRNO with a standard barrel, maybe just bad harmonics in this case.