Finnish Air Force F/A-18 mid air collision, aftermath pictures

[gaz]

As the title says a couple of Finnish F/A-18s had a mid air collision today, fortunately both aircraft made emergency landings and there were no fatalities.

Pictures here (http://www.mil.fi/ilmavoimat/tiedotteet/2037.dsp)

I'd love to know what they were doing for one to be damaged on the tip of the tail and the other to have it's canopy shattered.

[Claymore]

Must have been little bit windy there with a broken canopy... =|

[signatory]

As the title says a couple of Finnish F/A-18s had a mid air collision today, fortunately both aircraft made emergency landings and there were no fatalities.

Pictures here (http://www.mil.fi/ilmavoimat/tiedotteet/2037.dsp)

I'd love to know what they were doing for one to be damaged on the tip of the tail and the other to have it's canopy shattered.

Yikes.....!

Maybe they were going the same way, one slightly behind the other. As the first one pitched to dive down. The jet behind didn't follow through and got slightly skull-fvcked.

[Lazarou]

The pilots need to stop watching Top Gun too much.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4018/4a890fe05co.jpg

p-)

[americanwolf]

As the title says a couple of Finnish F/A-18s had a mid air collision today, fortunately both aircraft made emergency landings and there were no fatalities.

Pictures here (http://www.mil.fi/ilmavoimat/tiedotteet/2037.dsp)

I'd love to know what they were doing for one to be damaged on the tip of the tail and the other to have it's canopy shattered.



Perhaps some close quarters ACM? a bit to close maybe!!!

[jipman]

Holy crap a convertible Hornet:D
Sorry to go OT but does anyone know what the length regulations for pilots are? (in fighters)

[jerka71_1]

Holy crap a convertible Hornet:D
Sorry to go OT but does anyone know what the length regulations for pilots are? (in fighters)

I guess it depends on the fighter the country is operating. Sweden has the following:

Length: min 161, max ~190 cm
Weight:: min 56 kg, max 88 kg

Some other measurements can also give you a no go!

[jipman]

I guess it depends on the fighter the country is operating. Sweden has the following:

Length: min 161, max ~190 cm
Weight:: min 56 kg, max 88 kg

Some other measurements can also give you a no go!

Thanks! Well I guess my 192cm and 95kg is certainly a no go then.

[jango]

ain't those f16 in that photo and not fa/18

[gaz]

ain't those f16 in that photo and not fa/18

Yes they are, but the little guy wearing the eye-patch would suggest he put them there as a joke, not to mention that he referenced Top Gun and the scene in that movie was between an F-14 and either an F-5 or T-38 (I can't remember which) masquerading as some kind of MiG. The two in the link I gave in the original post are F/A-18Cs registered as HN-438 (Canopy damage) and HN-447 (Tail damage).

[jerka71_1]

Thanks! Well I guess my 192cm and 95kg is certainly a no go then.

With only 2 cm extra I wouldn´t call you a totally dead case. It depends on where those 2 cm are situated.

The weight limit is less flexible because of the ejection seat. But maybe you can get rid of some extra kilos??p-)

If fighters not an option maybe your nation (Denmark??) has other requirements for transports/helicopters?

My advice is try for it if that is what you want to do. You can´t get more than a no go.

[Lazarou]

ain't those f16 in that photo and not fa/18

I was referring to the scene form Top Gun where Tom Cruise flies his F-14 upside down over the MiG. I couldn't find a proper pic so I used that one.

[Moose]

This is the 2 time that the Finns fly in to each other. Wasnt one plane destroyed a couple of years ago?

[FDF_Hemppis]

This is the 2 time that the Finns fly in to each other. Wasnt one plane destroyed a couple of years ago?

Yes, HN-430 was destroyed in a collision with HN-413 in 2001, on a night-flight exercise.

[CSAR]

This is the 2 time that the Finns fly in to each other. Wasnt one plane destroyed a couple of years ago?

Yes, and the other one was also very badly damaged. In fact it is currenty being rebuilt to a F/A-18D using spare parts and retired Canadian F/A-18B, there was a thread about that. http://www.dcmilitary.com/navy/tester/11_18/features/41076-1.html

[Bullterrier]

WOW.
Hey what markings do the use now in airplanes, and why did they abandoned those old marking(kinda like swastika).

Here is nice pics of F(S)AF
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/fafacftl.jpg

[CSAR]

WOW.
Hey what markings do the use now in airplanes, and why did they abandoned those old marking(kinda like swastika).

Von Rosens cross had to be replaced after the war due to order given by Allied Control Commission. Since then blue and white circle has been used instead.

[Bullterrier]

As far as I know, Von Rosens was not related to nazis, so why forced to changed?
Also in what condition is now FAF, and what do you heve to fly with?
Kiitos:)
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/Me-109.gif

[MkH]

FAF uses Hawk jet trainers and F/A-18's. Also a deal was recently closed on purchase of EADS CASA C-295M transport-airplanes to replace the current Fokker F-27s.

Why had the swastika be replaced? Well... suppose you can figure that one out, however, it's still used on the airforce's (?) flag, although some months ago some French organization (IIRC) was trying to get it removed. Don't know how that ended though.

[Bullterrier]

Finland roundel-
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fi^round.gif

[CSAR]

As far as I know, Von Rosens was not related to nazis, so why forced to changed?
Also in what condition is now FAF, and what do you heve to fly with?
Kiitos:)
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/Me-109.gif

I don't know, propably the cross just looks too much like the swastika used by nazis. It is easy to make a mistake between those two if you are not aware about the difference.

Currently FAF is flying at least these:
- 55 F-18C, fighter
- 7 F-18D, fighter/trainer
- 51 Hawk Mk51, jet trainer
- 3 Learjet 35A/S, surveillance
- 2 Fokker F.27, transportation (will be replaced with EADS CASA C-295M)
plus smaller propeller driven trainer etc. aircrafts.

Hornets are armed for to air-to-air combat only, carrying AMRAAM and Sidewinder -missiles. Hawks can be armed also with Sidewinders, 30mm cannon pod and dumb bombs and rockets, though I don't know if they are really planned to fly sorties during war time.

[Bullterrier]

Thank you for the info :)
You should open a separate topic about nice Finish AF. :)

[Lazarou]

The "official" explanation, from the web site of the FAF:


Why did the Finnish Air Force use the swastika as the national marking between 1918 and 1945? Why is the swastika still part of badges of Air Force units?

The swastika has been used since ancient times both as an ornament and a motif. It is known to appear, among other applications, in the sewing works of the Finno-Ugric peoples until the modern days. The swastika is very often construed as a symbol of good luck.

The first publicly displayed swastika motif in Finland is probably the swastika ornament around Akseli Gallen-Kallela’s Aino triptych from 1891. This painting is currently hung in the stateroom of the Bank of Finland in Helsinki. The armed forces of Finland adopted the swastika during the Civil War in 1918. Swedish Count Eric von Rosen donated the White Army a Thulin typ D airplane in Vaasa on March 6, 1918. On the wings he had painted blue swastikas, his personal mofif of good luck, in Umeå on March 2, before the airplane took off for the crossing of Gulf of Bothnia. After landing in Vaasa the airplane was incorporated as Aircraft Number 1 in the parc d’avions of Finland, later to be renamed the Aviation Force. It was therefore decided to adopt the blue swastika on a white circular background as the national marking, and this was retained until 1945 when it was superseded by the current roundel due to a directive issued by the Allied Control Commission. The directive, however, did not require that the symbol be replaced in other Air Force symbols and flags where it remains in use.

http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index_en.php?id=624

[jerka71_1]

Acyually the sun cross, swastika etc. is an old symbol from India? (Buddha) which was very popular before you know who used it.

Even the quite famous beer brand Carlsberg had it as its trademark.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/4517/trcopenhagencarlsbergbottles3l.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6806/cop2carlsberg4oi.jpg
Elephant outside Carlsberg factory, Copenhagen.

[LordHalbert]

I've tried Carlsberg beer a few times - not my fav beer but drinkable.

[Lazarou]

Acyually the sun cross, swastika etc. is an old symbol from India?

No, it has been used all around the world. You could say it's a "universal" symbol, it's easy to draw and looks good.

Funny how all these FAF threads turn into discussions about the swastika... :)

[anv2]

Hornets are armed for to air-to-air combat only, carrying AMRAAM and Sidewinder -missiles. Hawks can be armed also with Sidewinders, 30mm cannon pod and dumb bombs and rockets, though I don't know if they are really planned to fly sorties during war time.

It used to be the plan, but not any longer. That's why all the Hawks are now in Kauhava.

[muede]

Next time we get invaded and slaughter the all invaders again the hated roundell gets banned... its called "winners" justice, you know they were sore losers.. so much for the swastika of ours.

Also only one total lose for 11 years for operation (and god knows how many flying hours..) is a good track record i would love to see other air forces to equal it. (the D variant were delivered to ILMAVOIMAT in 95.)

Regards.