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ed316
05-05-2006, 12:01 AM
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UN to quiz Washington on torture
The US is due to appear before the UN Committee on Torture for the first time since launching its war on terror following the 9/11 attacks.
Thirty senior officials from the departments of state, defence, justice and homeland security will testify in public at the hearing in Geneva.
They are likely to face tough questions about practices used in the US' anti-terror drive, correspondents say.
Rights groups accuse the US of flouting the UN Convention against Torture.
They accuse the US of allowing the torture and inhumane treatment of foreign terror suspects at their detention centres in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere.
'Huge significance'
This is the first time since 2000 that the US has testified publicly before the committee, which, as a signatory to the UN Convention against Torture, it is required to do.
Ten legal experts will cross-examine the US team, led by state department legal adviser John Bellinger in public hearings that are due to continue until Monday.
The hearings have huge significance, says Jennifer Daskal of Human Rights Watch.
"What makes this so remarkable is that this is the first time the United States is accountable for its record on torture with regard to some of the practices implemented after 9/11," she says.
Names and numbers
The committee will want to know about alleged CIA secret prisons and the prisoners no-one has access to, the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva says.
According to a UN document, the committee will demand to know the number and nationalities of those being held.
It will also ask for details of those taken abroad to third countries, in a process known as extraordinary rendition.
They may ask about the precise measures the US has taken in the wake of the abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison to ensure it does not happen again.
More awkward still, they may want to know if there has been an independent inquiry into the possibility that high-ranking government officials authorised torture, our correspondent adds.
The US has insisted it is "unequivocally opposed" to torture and remains committed to the UN ban. The UN committee does not have formal powers and cannot impose sanctions, but signatories are expected to act on the recommendations it will publish following the hearings.

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ed316
05-05-2006, 12:05 AM
I wonder how many other countries that are accuse of torture were ever question like this?

Jani.R
05-05-2006, 12:08 AM
I wonder how many other countries that are accuse of torture were ever question like this?
How many other western nations have been in war in the this century?

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2006, 12:13 AM
I wonder how many other countries that are accuse of torture were ever question like this?
The question should probably be "I wonder how many other countries that have signed the UN Convention against Torture were questioned like this?"

Also there probably aren't the large numbers of people / organisations claiming the torture is happening in other countries, regardless of if it occured or not.



Anyway, who's definition of torture are we using? p-)


The Convention has received new attention in the world press because of the Stress and duress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_and_duress) interrogation techniques used on the detainees by United States military personnel, most notably at the Abu Ghraib prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse) and Bagram prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse). The United States ratified the Convention, but declared that "... nothing in this Convention requires or authorizes legislation, or other action, by the United States of America prohibited by the Constitution of the United States as interpreted by the United States.

Got a nice escape clause there ;]

WarriorMonk
05-05-2006, 12:13 AM
How many other western nations have been in war in the this century?

we're barely into the 21st century, let's not forget the 20th century.

There's probably other wars, too, but the fact is that since we stick ourselves out so goddamned much as some shining beacon who's probably got clay feet is the reason why they're seizing on it.

If it bleeds, it leads...in most cases apparently.

ed316
05-05-2006, 12:15 AM
How many other western nations have been in war in the this century?

So only western nations are in the crosshair then?

ed316
05-05-2006, 12:20 AM
The question should probably be "I wonder how many other countries that have signed the UN Convention against Torture were questioned like this?"

Also there probably aren't the large numbers of people / organisations claiming the torture is happening in other countries, regardless of if it occured or not.



Anyway, who's definition of torture are we using? p-)


The Convention has received new attention in the world press because of the Stress and duress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_and_duress) interrogation techniques used on the detainees by United States military personnel, most notably at the Abu Ghraib prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse) and Bagram prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse). The United States ratified the Convention, but declared that "... nothing in this Convention requires or authorizes legislation, or other action, by the United States of America prohibited by the Constitution of the United States as interpreted by the United States.

Got a nice escape clause there ;]

Signatures to the UN Convention against Torture

Algeria

Argentina

Austria

Canada

Denmark

Ecuador

Finland

France

Greece

Hungary

Italy

Liechtenstein

Luxembourg

Malta

Monaco

Netherlands

New Zealand

Norway

Portugal

Russia

Spain

Sweden

Switzerland

Togo

Tunisia

Turkey

Uruguay

Yugoslavia

States which have Ratified the Convention Against Torture

Australia

Belize

Brazil

Cameroon

Chile

Colombia

Cyprus

Egypt

Estonia

Germany

Guatemala

Guinea

Guyana

Jordan

Libya

Mexico

Nepal

Panama

Paraguay

Peru

Philippines

Poland

Romania

Senegal

Somalia

Uganda

United Kingdom

Venezuela

Yemen

States which have Ratified the Convention Against Torture and made declaration, under Article 28, that they do not recognize the competence of the Committee against Torture to investigate allegations of widespread torture within their boundaries

Afghanistan

Belarus

Bulgaria

China

Czech Republic

Slovakia

Israel

Ukraine

States which have Signed but not yet Ratified the Convention Against Torture

Belgium

Bolivia

Costa Rica

Cuba

Dominican Republic

Gabon

Gambia

Iceland

Indonesia

Morocco

Nicaragua

Nigeria

Sierra Leone

Sudan

United States of America

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EsoognomEhT
05-05-2006, 12:30 AM
I'm well aware of who signed it, not quite sure why you posted that?

ed316
05-05-2006, 12:32 AM
Goes back to my original question.

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2006, 12:35 AM
Well, I'm no expert but I don't think that many of the countries on that list have a place such as Guantanamo bay. p-)

And going back to what I said previously; (because of places like "Gitmo") America is directly in the spotlight right now, a lot of people; de-tainees, former detainees, etc etc are coming out saying they are being totured whilst the whole world watches.
A few people saying they are being tourtured in Romania for instance just doesn't carry the same kind of impact

ed316
05-05-2006, 12:37 AM
Well, I'm no expert but I don't think that many of the countries on that list have a place such as Guantanamo bay. p-)

And going back to what I said previously; (because of places like "Gitmo") America is directly in the spotlight right now, a lot of people; de-tainees, former detainees, etc etc are coming out saying they are being totured whilst the whole world watches.
A few people saying they are being tourtured in Romania for instance just doesn't carry the same kind of impact

You are right about that. When you are on top everyone guns for you.

EsoognomEhT
05-05-2006, 12:40 AM
Here we go;

(New York, May 20, 2005)—Sweden violated the absolute ban on torture by expelling a terrorism suspect to Egypt, the United Nations Committee Against Torture ruled today. Sweden justified the transfer saying it secured assurances from Egypt that the suspect would not be tortured upon return.

Holly Cartner
Executive Director
Europe and Central Asia Division


Human Rights Watch said that other countries, including the United States, which assisted in the transfer, should take heed of the authoritative ruling.

ed316
05-05-2006, 12:42 AM
Great. Terrorist are protected by the UN.