poll-can the new palistinian pm stop the terror

[warchild1/27scout]

the new palistinian prime minister knows where all the bomb factories are and knows where the usual suspects all live he just needs the balls to go arrest them.this is just another reason the palistinians shouldnt have thier own state unless you want a little afghanistan.

[JohnJohn]

none of them want to stop the entifadh, this new PM is just a puppet for Arafat. Nothing is going to change.

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he doesn't seem to have the palestinians behind him, I don't think he's arafat's puppet. He seems to be an attemp to bypass arafat and cut him out of any deal.

[martinexsquaddie]

Exactly how is he supposed to arrest Terrorists if his police force is afraid to carry weapons and wear uniforms.
Pally default Goverment is not pro peace lets live with israel its HAMAS.
The killing is going to continue unless potential suicide bombers think they have a chance of a life.
Every stone throwing Kid killed by the IDF every civillian who dies in a surgical strike. Every farmer denied access to his Own land by Settlers gives fuel to the hate that propels suicide Bombers.
Theres no miltary solution to this same as there was no viable miltary solution in Ulster. Whats next Nuclear weapons?
when even George Bush is talking about the need for a palenstian State
You can kill Arabs and they can kill Jews Both sides have grievances history and reasons why there right and the otherside is wrong.
Any peace deal is not going to satisfy everybody there will be pain on both sides. Some Israli settlements will have to go and palenstians will have to accept they won't be able to return to there land.
Alternativily you could just try to kill every Arab and Muslim on the planet
but then theres that slight problem about genocide:)
By the way I am jewish.
I understand Israelis feel there in a fight to the DEATH BUT SO DO THE RESIDENTS OF GAZA AND THE WEST BANK they don't have tanks and F16s there having as many civillians killed as well ok maybe not delibertly but a dead person is still dead

[Sulph8]

Oh that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard! Anyone who thinks suicide bombers are caused by occupation is a stupid f*cking retard. How do you explain the two British muslims that came and blew up the cafe in Tel Aviv, i mean there sure is an atmosphere of oppression in the UK isnt there!!! or the suicide bombings in Casablanca!!! Because we all know how Morocco is occupying their land right?!?! oh oh, and what about the suicide bombings in Saudi Arabia!!

Let me explain to you what really causes suicide killers. A group of Israelis wanted to know why they cant seem to reach out and communicate to the Palestinians, so they went into the west bank and did a study about it and found out that the problem lies in the education system. They discovered that up until the age of about 14, children there are indoctrinated with one thing, that to die for Allah is the greatest thing you can do in life, this is called 'Shachta'. Then when their old enough, all their handlers do is direct them at Israelis and voila! Anyway, the group interviewed some of the children and asked them a simple question: wouldent two states living side by side in peace be better than Shachta? and guess what, they all said "no", "nothing is better than Shachta".

They are told that they will go to heaven where there will be 70 virgins waiting for them. Ha! What a joke. What it actually says in the Koran where it describes heaven is 70 white raisins, as they were a delicacy in those times. Of course, this was purposely mistranslated to be virgins.

[martinexsquaddie]

and want incentive have the pals got to change there education system?

lets see fight the IDF thats not going to happen killing israel civillians we can do that. The ****heads in alqaeda or what ever love every retaliation the idf take they don't want peace talks at all blows there cover. As Death obssesed weirdos.
The conflict is there biggest recruiting tool going they can bomb anywhere because of it.
Arab goverments have failed there people but use the
conflict to get off the hook a settlement would not help them. Why do you think they made the Palenstians live in refugee camps for 40 years.
Arafat gets to be this great mythical hero even though he is an unsuccesful
military Leader and a worse diplomat interfadea 2 has been a disaster but he can't or won't see it. You still can't bring this to a stop by miltary means

[Sulph8]

Your missing the point, the military action isnt intended to solve the conflict, that can only be done politically, the army knows that and so does the government. But the military still has a job to do and they are doing very well, all these terrorist attacks are only 10% of those launched, the security forces thwart the other 90%.

Heres my point: We have police forces in our cities all around the world, yet in every single city crime still exists, so does that mean that the police are useless and we should get rid of them? No, of course not!

[He219]

Well said, martinexsquaddie:

Every stone throwing Kid killed by the IDF every civillian who dies in a surgical strike. Every farmer denied access to his Own land by Settlers gives fuel to the hate that propels suicide Bombers

What is this; 'Eye for an Eye' philosophy, contempt, resentment, anymosity, a feeling of injustice or homicidal in the most of extreme circumstance for those who blow themselves up? Misguided prejudice toward the Jews, Sulph8?

Sulph8 wrote:
Oh that is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard! Anyone who thinks suicide bombers are caused by occupation is a stupid f*cking retard

What propelled radical foreign Arabs to travel and fight in 'Jihad' or (whatever you wish to call it) against the US in Afghanistan and Iraq? It's religious support for Muslim and Arab brethren stupid! That is exactly why you will see more and more foreigners taking on the Israelis, because of solidarity for the 'opressed' peoples.

To use Israeli research to conclude A radicalized Palestinian Educational System is quite out of context. What is the Palestinian Educational System anyhow? With international funding for the Palestinian Authority frozen in Israeli bank accounts - who is funding education. You will find that foreing contributions makes up the lion's share, of it HAMAS. They provide Schools, Hospitals and some sort of normalcy where it doesn't exist. And you wonder why they eat that radical **** up?

p-)
He219

[Sulph8]

Jerusalem Post; Jerusalem; Feb 5, 2003; HERB KEINON;

Palestinian Finance Minister Salaam Fayad confirmed Tuesday that Israel earlier this week transferred to the Palestinian Authority almost $60 million in taxes (some NIS 280m.) collected from Palestinian laborers and businesses, the single largest payment since the fighting began.


Mabey you should do some homework before you make bull**** accusations. As for the rest, its so utterly bull**** im not even gonna waste my time.

[He219]

Nuts, you established the proof that payments were frozen in the first place.....

Who was paying before Feb 5, 2003? Somebody has been running Palestinian Schools and Social Services - who do you think are the financiers? A recent payment is not going to change the minds of people incdoctrinated with hate. I know you hate them too...

Yeah, bull**** to you. You only chose to see Your side. There are Two you know - and that has NOTHING to do with supporting terrorists. It's the reason why They hate as much as You.

:bash:

[Sulph8]

You know what, believe whatever the f*ck you want, im sick of talking to you, neither of us is gonna change our opinions anyway. And if your so god damned horny about Hamas and Islamic Jihad, why don't you go strap some f*cking explosives to yourself and blast some civilians for your 'oh so worthy cause'.

[He219]

hahahaha Sulph8! You just don't get it. I don't support Hamas, Jihad and whatever else radical Islamic group! I'm not even homicidal. YOUR Hate and rage are self-evident! It's exactly what fuels the violence..

:slap:

[Sulph8]

Yeah whatever.

[warchild1/27scout]

hey he 219 the palistinian money is frozen in arafats bank account.those people all living in poverty and arafats got one of the biggest bank accounts in switzerland.and all those refugees,the arabs told them to move out of thier land and they would get it back by crushing the jews.jordan owns most of the so called occupied territory.they chased those"refugees out of so called jordan.and then theres occupied lebanon.the syrians are in lebanon so hamas and hezbollah can infiltrate isreal and at some point fire thier 10,000 misiles at isreal.the arabs have clouded the history on this for so long people have actually started to believe them.arabs believe that they can lie to infidels and theres nothing wrong with doing it.if you dont believe me read thier own text.and the saddest part of it is some of you people believe that irrational bull****.sad. :(

[martinexsquaddie]

Unfortunatly that history is slightly wide of the mark.
Lets see forced to flee or getting out be for the men with guns came. NO arab state asked for arabs to flee. anyone remember the stern gang zionist Terrorists ( oh sorry glorious jewish freedom fighters) I wonder where the Arabs got the idea terrorism works from

[Sulph8]

Actually only 5 - 10 percent were evicted moron, the rest left voluntarily. And strange how no one seems to care about the 820,000 Jews that were kicked out of Arab countries at the same time with nothing but the shirts on their backs.

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of course people care about them, but you say " with nothing but the shirts on their backs" that is of course true. But if you look at it now, it's the arabs that have nothing and the jews who have all the wealth in israel.
Reading the US media, I always get the impression that they believe the European states to be pro-islamic and anti-semite, but I have to point out that in europe we care for the palistians because they have no real government, no money, they are obviously very unhappy as they are. We couldn't give a **** about the surrounding muslim countries like syria jordan egypt lebanon etc.. And it isn't the israelis going on demonstrations, they have a democratically elected government, they have their freedom, they have to deal with terrorism, but then the palestinians have a tank pointing at them wherever it seems they go.

the difference is other than the threat of terrorism the israelis have a life style very much like that of people in the west, the palestinians have nothing.

If the palestinians are given a state of their own, they will not attack isreal for fear of losing any development and then after that there will most likely be an balance of power, or still an inbalance of power in the israelis favour. So there will most likely be peace or at the very least cold war. That is a long term idea that could provide peace for 20 or 30 years ebough time for the tempers to calm down or for diplomacy to restore trust in each other

[Sulph8]

Most Israelis (me included) have no problem with them having a state, we just dont want it to turn out like the Taliban, so there has to be peace and security before that. Most Israelis (me included) want to take out the settlements aswell, they are a security disaster and they will have to be pulled out, but while the Palestinians are keeping up with the terrorism and violence we are not in the mood to give them jack ****. If they would stop with it, i can guarantee you most Israelis will agree to an immediate pullout of all settlements.

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that's perfectly understandable, but nothing can happen if either side doesn't make a step. To deal with northern ireland britain had to give up a lot, including freeing known terrorists from jail! the reason why the world looks towards israel to make this first step, even in the face of terrorism, is because isreal is democratic and is near enough a western democracy, palestine is corrupt in our eyes. Personally I believe that Sharon is the wrong person to have in power, he can only make the situation worse, because the palestians have allegations against him and all he seems to do is rebuff the terrorism, making it worse.

As for palestine becoming like the taliban, I very much doubt that could happen because it is in the internatinal limelight.

and btw I didn't know most israelis felt that way, and it gives me great pleasure to hear it, and hope that peace is possible.

[Sulph8]

Peace is possible and I hope very much that we get there soon.

As I have stated in another post, I will be boarding a flight shortly and i will be gone for a long time, if i stumble across any internet cafes or anything i will check back with all of you. It has been a pleasure discussing the various subjects with you all and i hope i will be able to keep in touch as much as possible. bye.

[He219]

Safe journeys, Sulph8. I hope we all see true Peace in the future!

p-)
He219

[warchild1/27scout]

the jews prosper because they du work.if arabs spent more time working and less time dreaming up ways to kill women and children they could be succesful too.i dont think the people are just dumb.its like the genius cat burglar if he put his brain to doing business the right way he would be a milionaire.

[cut]

I don't think they have the opportunities in life. Maybe that's why they are so pissed off. If they don't have a real government how can have jobs created for them. and the israelis prosper because of external funding.