Chinese "new" advanced training plane

[easyand]

"New" chinese advanced training plane L 15

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/trainer/l15.asp


Do you see any difference with this (Italian M346)? :l
http://www.segurancaedefesa.com/M346-2.jpg

[Heron]

it is said those two trainers(M346 & L15) are all base on the Yak-130 prototype...

[Luno]

I like the concept :)
Here is another photo
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6324/l15d3dh.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l15d3dh.jpg)

[Heron]

Yak-130

http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yakpg3.jpghttp://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yakpg2.jpghttp://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yakpg4.jpghttp://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yakpg1.jpg
http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/Yak-130_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/Yak-130.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80292_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80292.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80291_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80291.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/jak130-1_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/jak130-1.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80290_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/80290.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yak130-01_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yak130-01.jpg)
http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yak_small.jpg (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yak.jpg)http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/YakTec_small.gif (http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/YakTec.gif)
http://www.military.cz/international/air/Jak_130/yak-130_2.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/planes/yak130_003.jpg

http://images.janes.com/aerospace/military/gallery/maks/images/yak_130.jpg

the father of these two kids :)

[Zeev]

This plane remind me a Sukhoi...

[themacedonian]

EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW.

http://www.yak.ru/ENG/FIRM/art_switch.php?art=4

Another "relative" of the Yak-130 (a remote one, frankly) is the L-15 supersonic trainer China develops with Yakovlev's assistance. Says Yakovlev's Director General Oleg Demchenko: "Our full-scale cooperation with the Chinese aircraft industry dates back to 2000 when the AVIC II corporation, based on Yakovlev's advances in Yak-130 development, invited us to join the L-15 supersonic trainer development programme. The L-15 developer is the Hongdu company in the city of Nanchang, a specialist in developing such planes. Its K-8 trainer is in production and sells well enough on the global market. The L-15 is being developed to meet the requirements of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Yakovlev's role is consulting, which can be called scientific and technical support of the aircraft development programme. We are participating at the preliminary design stage, while the Chinese side is fully in charge of working out the design documentation and making the aircraft. This is a Chinese plane. The Chinese designers just correlate their technical solutions with the opinion of ours." A full-scale mock-up of the new-configuration L-15 was unveiled at the Zhuhai air show in November 2004. Hongdu plans to build its first flying L-15 in 2005. Its flight trials are slated for the same year.



The Italian spin-off of the Yak/AEM-130 programme - the M346 trainer - started its tests a bit later than the production variant of the Yak-130. Its development kicked off in January 2000, with the first example rolled out on 7 July 2003. From the airframe design standpoint, the M346 is very similar to the experimental Yak/AEM-130. Principal differences are Honeywell F124-GA-200 engines and a western avionics suite. A substantial difference from the current Yak-130 is the M346's being a trainer, rather than a combat trainer. The M346 technology demonstrator first flew on 15 July 2004. A second M346 is to enter testing this year, with the M346 prototypes to total three. There have been no specific customers f the M346 so far..

[signatory]

Powered by two Ukrainian Motor Sich Al-222 engines, and benefiting from substantial design assistance from Russia’s Yakovlev bureau, the L-15 will likely become the PLA’s next advanced trainer, and form the basis for new carrier trainers and possibly future ground-attack aircraft. Ukrainian sources confirm reports earlier this year that Hongdu has ordered 200 Al-222 engines to support future L-15 production.

http://www.uscc.gov/hearings/2006hearings/written_testimonies/06_03_16_17wrts/06_03_16_17_fisher.pdf

[Scyth]

I think the Iranians were copying it too. Calling it the super duper stealth fighter or sthg.

[futurepilot2004]

This baby is their new stealth aircraft.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/shafagh_iran_003.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/a08.jpg

[Heron]

This baby is their new stealth aircraft.


i always consider it as a toy......

[ed316]

This baby is their new stealth aircraft.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/shafagh_iran_003.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/a08.jpg

Aren't these the trainers that civilians can buy? I think I saw it in the Robb Report a year ago.

[3rdMillhouse]

This baby is their new stealth aircraft.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/shafagh_iran_003.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/a08.jpg


AHhAHaHhAHAHhaHaHAHhAhahHAHh Iranians are pushing too hard and making themselves look ridiculous.

[Marmot1]

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/trainer/l153a.jpg
http://www.segurancaedefesa.com/M346-2.jpg



Lol they are almost identical.. look at engines nose, and fuselage... roflroflrofl

[Greek soldier]

OMFG, teh Chinese copy everything!!!!!!111

[EsoognomEhT]

Lol they are almost identical.. look at engines nose, and fuselage... roflroflrofl

So? Many planes are.

Ever seen a hawk and an alpha jet?

[Greek soldier]

AHhAHaHhAHAHhaHaHAHhAhahHAHh Iranians are pushing too hard and making themselves look ridiculous.

The Iranian plane looks like this

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8374/migi20008tx.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=migi20008tx.jpg)

MiG-I-2000 (image from aviation.ru)

[javi]

Aren't these the trainers that civilians can buy? I think I saw it in the Robb Report a year ago.


i think your thinking about the javalin

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/javelinflight.jpg

[javi]

So? Many planes are.

Ever seen a hawk and an alpha jet?

dude you can't compare a hawk with an alpha

hawk- low wing one engine
alpha- high wing two engines

not to say they aren't similar their all Light-attack, advanced trainers

[EsoognomEhT]

Lies, they still look similar!

[javi]

Lies, they still look similar!

a better example could be the alpha and the pampa
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/alpha-04z.jpg
Alpha jet

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/pampaori.jpg
IA-63 Pampa

[PeoplesPoster]

The good old lets take a picture from a angle that makes the planes look the same trick. When in fact there are some pretty distinct differences (mainly near the tail end) between the two and any similarity is due to the fact that both are based off a Russian design.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/xondu/lb05M346Prototype001landing.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/xondu/2006431911270.jpg